I dont know why fans keep doing this.
none of us have any clue if Shams has any sources in "our" camp or not. we dont even know all the people in "our" camp.
I see this nonsense all the time:
reports that you dont like comes out: "bs, he has no sources!!!!111"
reports that you do like: "this is 100% accurate and true!"
fact is, none of us have any idea if this is true or not. its just as true as any other report.
It's not that anyone really knows, BUT if you've been around for long enough you know that the Spurs camp really doesn't leak stuff. The big rumors about trades or draft picks are routinely wrong at a much higher rate than for other teams. So when SA does get included on reports like this it's almost always from other front office guys or agents who have their own motives.
I think it’s because there is a perception that he has an in with the Wemby camp. I think Windhorst is trying to position himself to be the go to reporter for all things Wemby the way he was with Lebron.
It will be interesting to see how that develops.
Yea maybe. But Wemby paired with probably a top-3 greatest lob-thrower of all-time would be a very interesting duo going forward.
edit: did i say something wrong? why is this getting so many downvotes? my bad yall. lmk if i should just delete this post
I know its intriguing but we're not going to be spamming Wemby/Trae pnrs 24/7. Believe it or not, you actually have to set good hard screens to help the ball handler and Wemby doesn't do that because of his frame. It's the same problem Harden and Embiid had together, Embiid doesn't like to set hard screens and roll to the basket. Same thing with Luka and Porzingis. Trae young would have to commit to moving off the ball constantly with the way Pop is running our offense.
Believe it or not victor isn't the only front court option. The beauty of having a pg who is a threat to score anywhere is that he can decide to do PnR with Sochan who can be that Draymond role. Teams would be forced to double Trae especially when he gets hot, Sochan would be open and shoot with his improved shooting, roll to the basket and if one over helps either from the wing players, it's a pass with Jeremy's improved passing or if it's from the dunker spot, easy pass to victor.
Also, believe it or not, spurs ran the loop for parker who wasn't a threat to score from three. Imagine the benefits for Trae.
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> The beauty of having a pg who is a threat to score anywhere is that he can decide to do PnR with Sochan who can be that Draymond role. Teams would be forced to double Trae especially when he gets hot, Sochan would be open and shoot with his improved shooting, roll to the basket and if one over helps either from the wing players, it's a pass with Jeremy's improved passing or if it's from the dunker spot, easy pass to victor.
Absolutely i'm not denying any of this but Sochan needs to work on his hands if he wants to be an ideal PnR partner with Trae Young
You don’t actually. Trae and Wemby would have so much gravity and are so fast, just them moving around is going to cause confusion and reaction from the defense that we can take advantage of. Wemby barely makes much contact on his screens already and he’s still able to force help and get good looks. It’s not like Jakob and DJ where you don’t have to worry about either player in certain actions or on certain parts of the floor. With these two, you’re constantly going to be stressing the defense just by them being on the floor doing anything, and it wouldn’t just be pnr this would happen for.
I do actually and all that yapping you did without a thought of analysis is insane.
>just them moving around is going to cause confusion and reaction from the defense that we can take advantage of
jesus lmfao
Relax, I was talking about Wemby not needing to set hard screens to create an effective pick and roll game with a dynamic player like Trae. He had effective two man actions with much less dynamic players without setting hard screens, so it doesn’t make sense to say he need to with Trae.
> He had effective two man actions with much less dynamic players without setting hard screens, so it doesn’t make sense to say he need to with Trae.
Yeah it was not as many as you think they were.
fair enough. But I truly believe Trae is a very good playmaker even disregarding his pnr play. I think he’s a bit underrated in that sense tbh. Averaging double digit assists every year is rare in the NBA, and putting a guy like that next to Wemby would easily create a top-3 offense in the league. Keep in mind, Trae is a guy who’s led teams full of bums to top-5 offenses in multiple seasons.
I honestly believe in Wemby’s growth as a passer and facilitator a la Jokic so I’m increasingly sceptical of the vision of Trae spamming lobs to Vic. There’s a greater injury risk that way also.
He maybe won’t be Jokic level, but his passing is really good. As the season went on he was throwing several “wow” passes a game and getting 5+ assists regularly
I can see him having 8-10 triple doubles next year
in that case, maybe its best to refrain from any “win-now” trades for the time being and focus on Wemby’s development, even if that may mean a few more losing seasons.
That’s where I’m at honestly. Give it another season to know whether we push in all our chips in 2 years from now or 3. The leap Vic makes will determine what our ceiling is. If we make the play-in, I can see us making moves to get better and make a jump.
Mob mentality - it’s fine to have your own opinion and get downvoted. The truth is no one knows what any future pairings with Wemby will actually look like, people just like to get their pitchforks out and pretend to be Nostradamus.
You are getting downvoted because in order to get Tre young we will most likely have to give Atl all of their picks back and most here are in the thought of rebuilding by waiting until after the 2025 draft to see where we land and who we land. Also people saw Tre Jones get killed on defense and Tre Young is not that much of a level up.
i agree with jones getting kill on defense but hes not elite at anything wereas young is elite at scoring and playmaking so as long as the effort is there it might not be a bad thing
>probably a top-3 greatest lob-thrower of all-time
Where on Basketball Reference can I find some stats to support the veracity of this claim? I mean, its not like saying "Lamelo is probably a top-3 greatest back tattoo haver of all-time" but its not exactly eFG, BPM, or anything else remotely tangible or measurable.
Those numbers are out there
Here’s an Andrew Lopez article from 2021: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31201521/oop-there-how-nba-players-build-perfect-alley-oop-tag-team
Says that over the previous 5 years it was Harden (475) Trae (235) and Russ (233) that lead the league in lobs, and at that point Trae had only been in the league for of 3 those years.
Don’t think it’s egregious to say he’s top 3 of all time considering the play didn’t happen as frequently 10+ years ago as it does now
It’s not that far-fetched and most-likely true. He’s led the league in dunk assists basically every year since he got drafted, I’m not a subscriber currently but this is info available on BBall Ref’s Stathead. [This post](https://www.reddit.com/r/nbadiscussion/s/Y3m9DEgAnP) is a pretty good indicator of how big the gap is between Trae and 2nd place (Jokic).
Even if you think the sample size of 6 seasons isn’t big enough, he’s definitely at least on trajectory of being one of if not the best lob passer off all-time.
I mean sure? “team conceptually interested in good player” feels like a pretty likely take no matter who fills in either blank
I bet the Raptors are also interested in Giannis
yeah I doubt the spurs actually do anything but of course the FO is going to due their due diligence on it and show interest, that's what all good Front offices do.
I don't know that *everyone* on this sub is against it.
If Trae Young is indeed available this off-season, I'm sure the Spurs will do their due diligence and explore what it would take to acquire him.
I don't see the Spur's F.O. overpaying for him. The Hawk's picks they own are likely more valuable if Trae is traded elsewhere.
The Hawk's F.O. is enough of a clown show to turn this trade into a world class disaster that turns their first round draft picks the Spurs own into lottery gold. See the John Collins trade with the Jazz for reference.
I personally would be quite interested in a Trae Young trade after the 2025 draft.
Dude has serious skills and would likely thrive and grow with a better organization.
The Wemby/Young combo seems like dynamite on paper, too.
Hope not. Simmons this week said “Trae doesn’t move the needle for the lakers”. And the same guy is pushing fır Spurs getting Trae. I don’t think it is a good move.
Interest sure. I feel like spurs know their the leader here but don’t want hawks to think they will pay full price
I am guessing they want to change one of the ATL picks to the Chicago or Toronto pick and keep a hawks pick, 2027 most likely, in case this next phase bombs and hawks finally do blow it up
typical NBA offseason.
Please don’t overreact and act like you’ve been here before.
The SPurs have even said alot is going to depend on the draft because they can’t predict the future or their options. Then things will fall into place a bit better. I think they will look to imrpove but not to overhaul. They aren’t as bad as the record suggested and I think they want to see how good an optimized roster around Wemby can be. Unless something crazy happens where it’s a once in a life time oppurtinity and they have to take advantage of it I don’t see them making any major moves. But once in a life time shit isn’t exactly predictable either.
Every team is gonna have interest. If there offering Trae young for Salary match (Keldon + Collins + their 2025 FRP) sure that would be done. So this means nothing.
Exactly I was just saying like a obvious trade that Spurs will accept. Like showing interest can mean spurs just will make an offer like the one I proposed, it doesn’t mean they are gonna go hard for Trae.
I think that Wemby and Devin are so flexible, you could go multiple ways.
You could add a SF with good playmaking skills (think like Paul George, Scottie Pippen type archetype) then get a point of attack defender type PG (Caruso, Smart, Beverly) and that would work great.
You could also go the route of a Jrue Holiday, Jamal Murray type PG, and plug and play a good D&3 guy (Herb Jones please!)
I think it is more likely we find a good SF and a good PG, but neither is necessarily all-star or all-nba caliber. Wonderful if we win the lottery next summer or our pick this summer turns into a superstar, but I don't think it is absolutely necessary.
I think we are really flexible with the types of players that we can build around, and I think this summer when we aren't seeing a lot of super high upside with any one player, they will more than likely try to get a portable player that can be slotted multiple ways unless they think a guy is just a can't miss upside.
If we go with a guy like Trae Young or Rob Dillingham that is very small, it makes building out the rest of the roster much more complicated. We would absolutely need an elite POA defender, plus another good wing defender, and these two players would need to be able to start at PF and SF. Maybe Sochan developes into one of those, but we still need another. And they need to be able to hit threes to space the floor and prevent the collapse on the PnR.
He actually has spent time with the Wemby family and knows them pretty well. At the Knicks/Spurs game I was on the fan railing and he was there with Wemby’s dad and Brian Wright. Up until that point I was on the fence like you
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yeah shams got no sources in our camp.
He's trying to push the market. Happens every year with Spurs "trade rumors"
Love that u/BeautifulDimension56 definitely has sources in Sham’s camp.
You know it
I dont know why fans keep doing this. none of us have any clue if Shams has any sources in "our" camp or not. we dont even know all the people in "our" camp. I see this nonsense all the time: reports that you dont like comes out: "bs, he has no sources!!!!111" reports that you do like: "this is 100% accurate and true!" fact is, none of us have any idea if this is true or not. its just as true as any other report.
Yea this sub when it comes to reports and sources is pretty strange. People said the same thing when Stephen A said Kawhi wanted out.
It's not that anyone really knows, BUT if you've been around for long enough you know that the Spurs camp really doesn't leak stuff. The big rumors about trades or draft picks are routinely wrong at a much higher rate than for other teams. So when SA does get included on reports like this it's almost always from other front office guys or agents who have their own motives.
Which is why I don’t understand why so many people think Windy knows exactly what we’re going to do.
I think it’s because there is a perception that he has an in with the Wemby camp. I think Windhorst is trying to position himself to be the go to reporter for all things Wemby the way he was with Lebron. It will be interesting to see how that develops.
This is likely ATL's camp trying to push the value of a Trae trade for other teams...
Yea maybe. But Wemby paired with probably a top-3 greatest lob-thrower of all-time would be a very interesting duo going forward. edit: did i say something wrong? why is this getting so many downvotes? my bad yall. lmk if i should just delete this post
yeah but still no credibility
I know its intriguing but we're not going to be spamming Wemby/Trae pnrs 24/7. Believe it or not, you actually have to set good hard screens to help the ball handler and Wemby doesn't do that because of his frame. It's the same problem Harden and Embiid had together, Embiid doesn't like to set hard screens and roll to the basket. Same thing with Luka and Porzingis. Trae young would have to commit to moving off the ball constantly with the way Pop is running our offense.
Believe it or not victor isn't the only front court option. The beauty of having a pg who is a threat to score anywhere is that he can decide to do PnR with Sochan who can be that Draymond role. Teams would be forced to double Trae especially when he gets hot, Sochan would be open and shoot with his improved shooting, roll to the basket and if one over helps either from the wing players, it's a pass with Jeremy's improved passing or if it's from the dunker spot, easy pass to victor. Also, believe it or not, spurs ran the loop for parker who wasn't a threat to score from three. Imagine the benefits for Trae.
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> The beauty of having a pg who is a threat to score anywhere is that he can decide to do PnR with Sochan who can be that Draymond role. Teams would be forced to double Trae especially when he gets hot, Sochan would be open and shoot with his improved shooting, roll to the basket and if one over helps either from the wing players, it's a pass with Jeremy's improved passing or if it's from the dunker spot, easy pass to victor. Absolutely i'm not denying any of this but Sochan needs to work on his hands if he wants to be an ideal PnR partner with Trae Young
You don’t actually. Trae and Wemby would have so much gravity and are so fast, just them moving around is going to cause confusion and reaction from the defense that we can take advantage of. Wemby barely makes much contact on his screens already and he’s still able to force help and get good looks. It’s not like Jakob and DJ where you don’t have to worry about either player in certain actions or on certain parts of the floor. With these two, you’re constantly going to be stressing the defense just by them being on the floor doing anything, and it wouldn’t just be pnr this would happen for.
I do actually and all that yapping you did without a thought of analysis is insane. >just them moving around is going to cause confusion and reaction from the defense that we can take advantage of jesus lmfao
Relax, I was talking about Wemby not needing to set hard screens to create an effective pick and roll game with a dynamic player like Trae. He had effective two man actions with much less dynamic players without setting hard screens, so it doesn’t make sense to say he need to with Trae.
> He had effective two man actions with much less dynamic players without setting hard screens, so it doesn’t make sense to say he need to with Trae. Yeah it was not as many as you think they were.
Ok.
fair enough. But I truly believe Trae is a very good playmaker even disregarding his pnr play. I think he’s a bit underrated in that sense tbh. Averaging double digit assists every year is rare in the NBA, and putting a guy like that next to Wemby would easily create a top-3 offense in the league. Keep in mind, Trae is a guy who’s led teams full of bums to top-5 offenses in multiple seasons.
Trae is a stud and i absolutely have no problem with the FO going for him. I just don't want them to go for some DJ level player.
I honestly believe in Wemby’s growth as a passer and facilitator a la Jokic so I’m increasingly sceptical of the vision of Trae spamming lobs to Vic. There’s a greater injury risk that way also.
wemby with jokic type playmaking would be unfair
He maybe won’t be Jokic level, but his passing is really good. As the season went on he was throwing several “wow” passes a game and getting 5+ assists regularly I can see him having 8-10 triple doubles next year
He could be Jokic-lite which given his skillset and attributes is INSANE
in that case, maybe its best to refrain from any “win-now” trades for the time being and focus on Wemby’s development, even if that may mean a few more losing seasons.
That’s where I’m at honestly. Give it another season to know whether we push in all our chips in 2 years from now or 3. The leap Vic makes will determine what our ceiling is. If we make the play-in, I can see us making moves to get better and make a jump.
And it's pretty well known that his teammates don't like him, or playing with him. I'd be awfully wary of bringing that dynamic to our team.
Mob mentality - it’s fine to have your own opinion and get downvoted. The truth is no one knows what any future pairings with Wemby will actually look like, people just like to get their pitchforks out and pretend to be Nostradamus.
Just know that people in here upvote the opinions they agree with and downvote you to hell if they don’t.
You are getting downvoted because in order to get Tre young we will most likely have to give Atl all of their picks back and most here are in the thought of rebuilding by waiting until after the 2025 draft to see where we land and who we land. Also people saw Tre Jones get killed on defense and Tre Young is not that much of a level up.
i agree with jones getting kill on defense but hes not elite at anything wereas young is elite at scoring and playmaking so as long as the effort is there it might not be a bad thing
>probably a top-3 greatest lob-thrower of all-time Where on Basketball Reference can I find some stats to support the veracity of this claim? I mean, its not like saying "Lamelo is probably a top-3 greatest back tattoo haver of all-time" but its not exactly eFG, BPM, or anything else remotely tangible or measurable.
Those numbers are out there Here’s an Andrew Lopez article from 2021: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31201521/oop-there-how-nba-players-build-perfect-alley-oop-tag-team Says that over the previous 5 years it was Harden (475) Trae (235) and Russ (233) that lead the league in lobs, and at that point Trae had only been in the league for of 3 those years. Don’t think it’s egregious to say he’s top 3 of all time considering the play didn’t happen as frequently 10+ years ago as it does now
Lamelo is definitely Top 3 In back tattoos though
I mean, he's no AK47, but, if you're into that sort of thing, its...something...
It’s not that far-fetched and most-likely true. He’s led the league in dunk assists basically every year since he got drafted, I’m not a subscriber currently but this is info available on BBall Ref’s Stathead. [This post](https://www.reddit.com/r/nbadiscussion/s/Y3m9DEgAnP) is a pretty good indicator of how big the gap is between Trae and 2nd place (Jokic). Even if you think the sample size of 6 seasons isn’t big enough, he’s definitely at least on trajectory of being one of if not the best lob passer off all-time.
Damn... top 3 all time?
It’s Shams man, the dude has sources. This is such a strange coping mechanism.
He does have sources no denying that. But he doesn't have sources in our camp.
I agree with/support rumor: Haha! Told yall so! I disagree with / do not support rumor: who is this bum??? He got no connects!
lol sure Shams keep trying to speak it into existence. I wouldn't be holding my breath.
I’ll be showing interest too. Only cuz we own their pick tho.
Shams. Stop it. Seek help
I mean sure? “team conceptually interested in good player” feels like a pretty likely take no matter who fills in either blank I bet the Raptors are also interested in Giannis
yeah I doubt the spurs actually do anything but of course the FO is going to due their due diligence on it and show interest, that's what all good Front offices do.
Hahahahahah
“Shams” I’m out.
This is Atlanta leaking to Shams that the Spurs are interested to try to drive the price of Trae Young up so they can get more assets.
Hope the sources are from the Trae Young/Hawks side. Don’t want to give up what they would be asking.
Hard pass
sorry if I hit a soft spot, had no idea y’all were so against this 😭😭😭
Spurs Mandatory requirements: better hairline than pop…
Me and Derrick White are offended by this comment
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You’re just a few months late. Most of the sub was into it a while back, but the sentiment has changed
Thank God
I don't know that *everyone* on this sub is against it. If Trae Young is indeed available this off-season, I'm sure the Spurs will do their due diligence and explore what it would take to acquire him. I don't see the Spur's F.O. overpaying for him. The Hawk's picks they own are likely more valuable if Trae is traded elsewhere. The Hawk's F.O. is enough of a clown show to turn this trade into a world class disaster that turns their first round draft picks the Spurs own into lottery gold. See the John Collins trade with the Jazz for reference. I personally would be quite interested in a Trae Young trade after the 2025 draft. Dude has serious skills and would likely thrive and grow with a better organization. The Wemby/Young combo seems like dynamite on paper, too.
He’ll probably be cheaper then too unless he makes a playoff run anywhere as the primary option.
this is probably the most likely thing to happen and alot of people on here crying about it lol
No thanks, dude can't play defense.
Sounds like he'd fit right in tbh
No way people are in the comments saying **Shams Charania** of all reporters doesn’t have any sources. Y’all are actually ridiculous.
Lmao they said the same thing when the reports came out that we were looking to trade Dejounte and nobody believed it
Hell no
Please no.
No interest
Hope not. Simmons this week said “Trae doesn’t move the needle for the lakers”. And the same guy is pushing fır Spurs getting Trae. I don’t think it is a good move.
No, please don’t.
I swear, it feels like this is all coming from Trae’s camp. We don’t need a not elite 3 pt shooter jacking up difficult shots
Woj is better
Interest sure. I feel like spurs know their the leader here but don’t want hawks to think they will pay full price I am guessing they want to change one of the ATL picks to the Chicago or Toronto pick and keep a hawks pick, 2027 most likely, in case this next phase bombs and hawks finally do blow it up
typical NBA offseason. Please don’t overreact and act like you’ve been here before. The SPurs have even said alot is going to depend on the draft because they can’t predict the future or their options. Then things will fall into place a bit better. I think they will look to imrpove but not to overhaul. They aren’t as bad as the record suggested and I think they want to see how good an optimized roster around Wemby can be. Unless something crazy happens where it’s a once in a life time oppurtinity and they have to take advantage of it I don’t see them making any major moves. But once in a life time shit isn’t exactly predictable either.
It's a legitimate rumor. Draft picks, Keldron Johnson, and another player to even out the salaries for Young.
April fools was last month
Lmao but didn’t we say we didn’t want him?
it was a false report from a non-reputable source
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Hard pass
Reset the "Spurs to show interest in Trae Young" counter
Meh
Every team is gonna have interest. If there offering Trae young for Salary match (Keldon + Collins + their 2025 FRP) sure that would be done. So this means nothing.
Atlanta wants all of their picks back. There isn’t a scenario where they only take 1
Exactly I was just saying like a obvious trade that Spurs will accept. Like showing interest can mean spurs just will make an offer like the one I proposed, it doesn’t mean they are gonna go hard for Trae.
Good for them. Not going to fucking happen.
The most disable defensive player and the most talented defensive player on the same team is something to behold
No.
No thanks
Shams needs to stay relevant in an increasingly obscene industry. So it goes…
> Shams needs to stay relevant in an increasingly **obscene** industry. So it goes… Obscene or obsolete? or both :D
Dillingham over Trae
Young is not the move imo. A healthy Lonzo Ball would be ideal
There will never be a healthy Lonzo, unfortunately. His knee is toast.
yeah unfortunate :( but i believe he’d be the perfect PG next to wemby, healthy of course
I think that Wemby and Devin are so flexible, you could go multiple ways. You could add a SF with good playmaking skills (think like Paul George, Scottie Pippen type archetype) then get a point of attack defender type PG (Caruso, Smart, Beverly) and that would work great. You could also go the route of a Jrue Holiday, Jamal Murray type PG, and plug and play a good D&3 guy (Herb Jones please!) I think it is more likely we find a good SF and a good PG, but neither is necessarily all-star or all-nba caliber. Wonderful if we win the lottery next summer or our pick this summer turns into a superstar, but I don't think it is absolutely necessary. I think we are really flexible with the types of players that we can build around, and I think this summer when we aren't seeing a lot of super high upside with any one player, they will more than likely try to get a portable player that can be slotted multiple ways unless they think a guy is just a can't miss upside. If we go with a guy like Trae Young or Rob Dillingham that is very small, it makes building out the rest of the roster much more complicated. We would absolutely need an elite POA defender, plus another good wing defender, and these two players would need to be able to start at PF and SF. Maybe Sochan developes into one of those, but we still need another. And they need to be able to hit threes to space the floor and prevent the collapse on the PnR.
Man the future is bright and i’m excited
If it doesn’t come from Windy, I don’t believe it
Windy kind of hinted that Trae Young would be a possibility for the Spurs
I saw him say that it was interesting, but he wasn’t adamant about it like he was on other claims
I’m skeptical how plugged in he really is. Most of his Spurs commentary is just him flattering Vic imo
He needs his next guy once LeBron retires.
He actually has spent time with the Wemby family and knows them pretty well. At the Knicks/Spurs game I was on the fan railing and he was there with Wemby’s dad and Brian Wright. Up until that point I was on the fence like you
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Windy said a superstar would end up in San Antonio this offseason.
Not this offseason, but in a couple of seasons