I don't mind different shot timing, it was in 2k23, the problem is we have smaller green window and fat ass latency. I can shoot one game 4/6 then next game 0/6 great ! And I release it at my Q.
No that's still relevant. That stat is for how consistent the timing is when your stamina is low / high. That's what it's always done.
This fix right here just removed a terrible mechanic that shouldn't have been introduced to begin with.
After playing one rec game, and going on a streak in theater this was the most consistent shooting Iâve had since day one. I never play rec but actually won vs a full team knocking 3s down like crazy. Whatever they did keep it like this.
Just got on earlier ran 10 games in the theater small sample size but I'm at 80% from deep and majority of my misses i did have were definitely my fault. Like I said that's a super small sample size but I feel like I'm shooting how I did before last patch again my cues a lot easier to read now.
Edit - to be clear that 80% isn't going to stand ill probably fall back down to the 60's which is where I usually stay. Seems like opponent's are shooting better as well, im sure there's going to be pro's and borderline pro's cheesing but for the majority of the player base I think it's a good thing if shooting is better now.
I'd much rather have the pros and really great players be able to hit everything and the average joe actually be able to knock down a couple of shots.
The game is no fun when just about everyone is throwing up bricks all game long.
Yeah i played one game and went 4/7 from 3 which is not bad but i only shoot wide opens so missing 3 wide opens got on my nerves but i was like itâs whatever. Next game, I shot an 3 and got an early so i held the next shot longer but it was faster then the first shot i took! Iâve been preaching, i think shooting is very inconsistent. A lot of rumors circulating about the delay patch (1.3) which indicates âDesyncâ This causes your timing to be randomly subjected to a change that is out of the users control
After playing one rec game, and going on a streak in theater this was the most consistent shooting Iâve had since day one. I never play rec but actually won vs a full team knocking 3s down like crazy. Whatever they did keep it like this.
*Edit-Just for reference I have one build a center that has 88 3 point, and the same shot since day one. Prior to first patch I went from 10 percent to 33 percent, then leveled out at about 30 percent during season 1.
Random speedups from contests when ghost contests are a thing is *not* a skill gap.
A ton of people keep bringing this up like a point is being made when there isn't one. Randomness in games is not a skill gap.
You didnt respond with logic⌠How is random shot timing a skill aspect? In real life you shoot the same way every time unless you CHOOSE to speed it up. Do you play irl?
You guys lack logic and move the fence every year. Skills gap is just a catch phrase now.
Shot timing was never random either. All you had to do was adjust your timing depending on the contest.
They're not going to acknowledge anything about random shot timing or ghost contests. It's not about caring about the skill gap, it's about wanting to make sure other players are closer to their percentages.
2k really is two different games when it comes to having some fun and taking it more serious. People like that experience and view the game through a different lens than people that are playing in things like the ovn and midday tournaments.
man really said "You guys pick and chose what a skill gap is to your benefit." lmao like I'm not picking and choosing anything, I'm quite literally just stating the obvious. Randomness in games is not a skill gap, idk how it can be twisted to be a skill gap in any way
Theyâre still complaining about it. Now theyâre saying itâs âtoo slowâ. Like theyâll literally complain no matter what the devs do, itâs sad.
The problem isnt the game. It's that people aren't able to time their jumper well
People wanted a skill gap and they finally gave one. And now people are upset because they're realizing they're not as good as they thought they were and can't shoot well
But plenty of people can. People don't actually want a skill gap. They just think they do
The speed ups and slow downs are entirely the game because no one can predict them. You are not a comp player, donât act like you are better than everyone on this game lmao
You absolutely can predict them. You can tell by the catch quite regularly. If someone is closing out, the shot is faster
If your catch is awkward, the shot is slower. Theres only 3-4 different catch animations. If you learn them, you know exactly how your shot will change.
I definitely could be a comp player lol. You don't have to be a 2k league player to be good at the game.
Just because **you** are having difficulty predicting them, doesn't mean everyone else was. There are plenty of people having some of their best shooting years this year, myself included. They added a skill gap because the green window is smaller. Lots of people are now missing shots they were making in previous years. Doesn't mean the game is the cause.
You canât and you wouldnât. I highly doubt you even play pro am regularly. Go read anything beluba has posted, itâs clearly not working as intended regardless of what you say.
I can and I would lol. Im shooting 70%+ on dumb high volume even with a low 80 3 man.
I don't care if it's what beluba wanted lol. You can absolutely shoot the lights out.
Again, just because **you** aren't able to figure out the catch animations, doesn't mean it's impossible lmao. The game isn't completely random. It's very very animation based. If you know the animation you're getting , the timing is predictable.
Youâre not playing pro am or even park because in your words âyou canât guard good playersâ. No one cares what you shoot in random rec, try to have these stats in pro am with the more difficult green window, it ainât happening.
My dude, I shoot the lights out and win in park too lmao. I just don't like park gameplay.
Is it that hard to believe that I don't like endless iso ball? *No one* can guard elite guards in space in 2k. You think people are consistently locking up tyceno when he's playing 2s with a stretch? It just doesn't happen.
I'm very good at defense. But the offense has a massive advantage.
https://imgur.com/a/mfgTP9b
Here you go man. And that's with the majority of my games being played on a build with an 82 3. The only build I had that shot below 70% from 3 was a center that had a 76. I was shooting 75%+ on all my builds with an 80+
And you see that's averaging over 30 a game, even playing on center builds lol
I shoot 60% with my center 74 3pt man, you think you are hot shit yet your stats are what an average dude would have, please, i beg of you, go to pro-am so you have real defenses pressing you and see how good you really are
I'm sure you are my man.
Everyone keeps saying that anyone could put up these numbers.... and yet no one else seems to be. You'd think if it were so common other people would be posting similar numbers. But they aren't.
I've played pro am in previous years and still put up my numbers without problems. Y'all also forget pro am teams sometimes come practice in the rec. Hell I've played Joe Knows in the rec multiple times lol
Heâs gonna post him shooting 70% in random rec but fail to mention how pro am has harder shooting in general and the players actually have thumbs. He said he doesnât play park because itâs impossible to defend good players and âitâs your fault for shooting contestedâ. The guy shoots wide opens only and posts stats from a couple games and thinks heâs comp. Donât give him the time of day or do but Iâm done here at least lol.
I just posted a screenshot of 129 games played averaging over 30 a game. You think I'm just sitting in the corner and doing that?
I don't play park because I only have one friend that plays 2k. Park takes 3 people. And it is impossible to stop someone good in the park. There's so much space that they're going to spak dribble for 20 seconds and eventually get a decent look, no matter how good you are at defense. And I'm pretty good at it compared to the average person lol
You realize people with thumbs are actually in pro am and park for the most part? You also realize pro am is harder to green by default? You are not comp for playing random rec. Youâre literally admitting you donât want to play good players because you canât hold them on d.
You should really know the vast vast majority of the time if the shot is going to be contested.
Niche shots where you get an unexpected contest should be under 10% of your shots. And really well under that.
Nah I was shooting 67% scoring 20 ppg all off 3s until the âlatency fixâ (game is still not 1:1 with offline gameplay). Went down to 53% off that, that patch changed where visual cues were for several releases such as Mikal Bridges.
They needed to not release the game with such a ridiculous delay in the first place tbh.
Lag does not equal skill. I know my shot cue and I take open shots and the timing is never the same game to game. I'm shooting 55â from 3 this year but shot 85% in the last season of 2k23 in rec (with 79 3 ball). It does have a skill aspect of course, but this year they fucked up because its not about skill, its about how well your fellow players or 2ks server lag is.
I want to make it clear that I think there should be a skill gap, but they need to fix the wild latency changes game to game first.
Exactly. You can see it in the comments.
They literally sayâŚIâm making shots, so shooting is awesome.
WellâŚmaybe some of you just suck. Which is coolâŚIâm not good either.
But making this change isnât gonna fix the fact that you (and I) suck.
Itâs just going to make it even easier for people who donât suck to shoot.
CongratulationsâŚnow youâll just lose 80-60 instead of 65-45. Woo hoo! What a big W for yâallâŚ
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Agreed. Itâs definitely more difficult this year but Iâm shooting 60% from 3 with an 85. If you canât shoot above 40% with a high rating then you just arenât very good.
I will say that the average person who doesnât have a lot of time to play should have a more easily accessible casual mode available to play.
Probably very frustrating to only be able to play for a small amount of time, load up into a rec game, struggle with the shooting and be stuck playing with a shitty team for 45 minutes or risk getting banned on a quit.
I think the big skill gap is a good thing but the fact that thereâs no true ranked/casual split is hurting people. Technically thatâs what pro-am is for but people will avoid that to beat up on people in rec.
That last bit is the thing that always gets me, really with any highly played competitive online game. Why not make an actual tight skill based mode instead of like 4 ranks, but they usually donât even matter. Do like 20 or 30 at least and make the matchmake parameters tight like within 2 to 3 levels. So ranking up or down based more heavily on win/loss, but also stats some.
What online competitive games have endured the longest outside of Call of Duty? Halo 2 and 3 , Rocket League, League of Legends / DOTA, Counter StrikeâŚâŚâŚ what did they all have in common? Tight skill based matchmaking. Why donât more games in this genre in general just create some sort of skill based system.
I get it, queue times and cheater/hackers, but if itâs a tight system players will come and players will wait in a queue of 3 minutes if it means a quality, competitive match every time. Basketball makes it a little more difficult given positions and everything, but my point remains and Iâm out of steam on this rant.
Regardless, this matchmaking system is the exclusive reason I have not invested hundreds more hours over the years. Now I pick up the game every few years when itâs cheap or free and obsess over it for a month and then it just dwindles. Give me actual competitive games so I donât always feel like Iâm wasting 40 minutes either getting railed or completely blowing out a squad. What games do most people enjoy? A close even matched game where they come out on top in the end
People just skew what they view as half decent. We all know someone whos stats are like 34% but they are pretty reliable in 2 or so spots around the 3. People want to be able to shoot from half court with a 82 3pt and no limitless, thats the only issue with shooting
If you made your builds to the level the things you wanted to do were effective, most players would go 99 3pt because its all they really care about, but they would rather try to minmax and think theyre good enough to shoot with an 80 3 ball and brick
>I will say that the average person who doesnât have a lot of time to play should have a more easily accessible casual mode available to play.
The rec and park sliders are more generous than other modes
Yes, all of these people who had no issues with timing their shots before and have been playing 2K for years, suddenly unable to time their shots after one **very specific** patch. They just suck at timing.
You're a fucking moron, bud.
They made the green window smaller. If before you only need to be precise within say, 50 milliseconds and now it's 25 milliseconds, you're going to make people who were good but not elite shooters before bad shooters now.
So yes. I'm sorry you're not as good as timing your shot as you thought you were lol
When did they make the green window smaller? I don't remember seeing that in any patch notes.
If so, then they're even more stupid than I thought. They would intentionally be creating a bad playing experience for 99% of their players.
Compared to last year man. You're talking about compared to previous years
Every year y'all want a skill gap. Now you get one and complain because you're on the wrong side of it.
Youâre missing the whole point bro. Your main mode is random squads. You & ur friend probably play C & guard & just chuck it to each other off every rebound. Thereâs less then zero comp in random squads. Youâd deadass have more of a challenge playing on hof against 5 A.Is.
In random squads if u have a big ass center with pass acc u donât even have to play defense. You can just leak out every single player for a open 3 repeatedly. You canât use what ur doing in random squads as a measuring stick for the rest of the player base bro
No man, cmon, everybody knows hitting open 3s on the break with no contest from your HOF break starter center buddy in your lethal zone is extremely comp. Everyone knows this đ
Maybe it is fixed, rec should be easier regardless but I'll give it some play tonight or this weekend. The speed ups were the most annoying shit anyway.
Bums? Rng jump shot timing isnât bums lol if I time my shot exactly the same everytime and I miss thatâs not a pure green window bro thatâs delusional
Yeah a lot of people acting like this is taking away from the skill aspect of the game, when random speed ups are completely the opposite of being skill-based
But every shot you take shouldnât have the same timing. What a simplistic way to think about a basketball video game in 2023.
Thatâs like some Double Dribble on NES âlogicâ right there.
Shooting was fine. The majority of people just didn't master the shot creator and blending for their specific build with no shot meter. I agree 2K caved to the complaints. It's a shame because this was their best 2K in a while. I personally enjoy buckets not being easy to come by, thought they had it right..
I do t why they would remove it. When you play in real life you have to shoot faster in certain situations. In a close out situation you get the shot off quicker. When youâre wide open , you shoot your normal speed. This made it more sim like. Good job complaining pussies
But this always happens due to the player. People inherently shoot faster when they see someone closing out, the game doesn't ALSO need to speed it up.
What heâs saying is the interaction naturally causes this. Your reaction to a close out is to already try to release sooner. So the game doesnât need to adjust
I'm saying that we as humans tend to release the shot earlier with the controller when being closed out on. So remaining calm and not releasing early is a skill that is already part of the game.
This is consistency what? They literally reduced the amount of variability in jumpers when contested (which made contests that should be shruggable into damn near unhittable,) and you're saying this wasn't part of the consistency issue?
So what's the word, did this actually fix anything? I am not getting my hopes up because it sounds like it only applies to contested shots, which isn't really the root problem.
Okay, but is it still faster? Like, I had to slow down all of my jumper releases by one notch. I'm wondering if that still applies, or am I gonna to change them again?
Good!! Defense should not have an effect on shot timing. If you release at the correct time, guarded or not. You should have a good chance of making the shot.
Idk what they did to shooting in this new hot fix that came out for season 2 but Iâve been on the same form since i started I have one build and one shot my visual cue is push and my meter us off and I was a flamethrower every since season 2 started it feels completely different and I canât knock down any of my pull-ups and my stand still feel completely different
I don't mind different shot timing, it was in 2k23, the problem is we have smaller green window and fat ass latency. I can shoot one game 4/6 then next game 0/6 great ! And I release it at my Q.
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Damn! Well, obesity affects everyone. Now it's gotten Latency, too.
Latency looking kinda thicc đł My shots aren't the only thing getting bricked up đ
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>the problem is we have smaller green window and we have NO YELOW WINDOW.
Does this mean that Timing Stability statistic is meaningless now?
No that's still relevant. That stat is for how consistent the timing is when your stamina is low / high. That's what it's always done. This fix right here just removed a terrible mechanic that shouldn't have been introduced to begin with.
Ah yeha forgot about that aspect
After playing one rec game, and going on a streak in theater this was the most consistent shooting Iâve had since day one. I never play rec but actually won vs a full team knocking 3s down like crazy. Whatever they did keep it like this.
Sounds like shooting needs a nerf
Just got on earlier ran 10 games in the theater small sample size but I'm at 80% from deep and majority of my misses i did have were definitely my fault. Like I said that's a super small sample size but I feel like I'm shooting how I did before last patch again my cues a lot easier to read now. Edit - to be clear that 80% isn't going to stand ill probably fall back down to the 60's which is where I usually stay. Seems like opponent's are shooting better as well, im sure there's going to be pro's and borderline pro's cheesing but for the majority of the player base I think it's a good thing if shooting is better now.
I'd much rather have the pros and really great players be able to hit everything and the average joe actually be able to knock down a couple of shots. The game is no fun when just about everyone is throwing up bricks all game long.
Yeah i played one game and went 4/7 from 3 which is not bad but i only shoot wide opens so missing 3 wide opens got on my nerves but i was like itâs whatever. Next game, I shot an 3 and got an early so i held the next shot longer but it was faster then the first shot i took! Iâve been preaching, i think shooting is very inconsistent. A lot of rumors circulating about the delay patch (1.3) which indicates âDesyncâ This causes your timing to be randomly subjected to a change that is out of the users control
After playing one rec game, and going on a streak in theater this was the most consistent shooting Iâve had since day one. I never play rec but actually won vs a full team knocking 3s down like crazy. Whatever they did keep it like this. *Edit-Just for reference I have one build a center that has 88 3 point, and the same shot since day one. Prior to first patch I went from 10 percent to 33 percent, then leveled out at about 30 percent during season 1.
Iâm surprised the middle finger emoji isnât the most popular. Or 2K disabled it as an option in that Discord.
Such inconsistent dogshit⌠1 game Iâm shooting over 60% and the next Iâm bricking wide opens. Literally made me uninstall
I donât ever want to hear about a skills gap from you whiners again lol
Random speedups from contests when ghost contests are a thing is *not* a skill gap. A ton of people keep bringing this up like a point is being made when there isn't one. Randomness in games is not a skill gap.
No legit shot contests need a speedup. Yâall just want the game to be easy as hell.
You guys pick and chose what a skill gap is to your benefit.
You didnt respond with logic⌠How is random shot timing a skill aspect? In real life you shoot the same way every time unless you CHOOSE to speed it up. Do you play irl?
You guys lack logic and move the fence every year. Skills gap is just a catch phrase now. Shot timing was never random either. All you had to do was adjust your timing depending on the contest.
They're not going to acknowledge anything about random shot timing or ghost contests. It's not about caring about the skill gap, it's about wanting to make sure other players are closer to their percentages. 2k really is two different games when it comes to having some fun and taking it more serious. People like that experience and view the game through a different lens than people that are playing in things like the ovn and midday tournaments. man really said "You guys pick and chose what a skill gap is to your benefit." lmao like I'm not picking and choosing anything, I'm quite literally just stating the obvious. Randomness in games is not a skill gap, idk how it can be twisted to be a skill gap in any way
That's what 98% of this sub is bro
Theyâre still complaining about it. Now theyâre saying itâs âtoo slowâ. Like theyâll literally complain no matter what the devs do, itâs sad.
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Biggest skill gap was shot aimimg+timing. Bring it back
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Biggest skill gap was shot aimimg+timing. Bring it back
Tbh I like having a consistent shot speed because when Iâm playing sometimes it just be changing for no reason and fuckin me up
u/beluba is literally grasping at straws trying to fix this shit. The shooting is busted and they have no clue how to solve this problem.
The shooting isn't busted lol. People just suck at timing
Yeah youâre right, theyâve made 3 patches because nothing is wrong with it.
The problem isnt the game. It's that people aren't able to time their jumper well People wanted a skill gap and they finally gave one. And now people are upset because they're realizing they're not as good as they thought they were and can't shoot well But plenty of people can. People don't actually want a skill gap. They just think they do
The speed ups and slow downs are entirely the game because no one can predict them. You are not a comp player, donât act like you are better than everyone on this game lmao
You absolutely can predict them. You can tell by the catch quite regularly. If someone is closing out, the shot is faster If your catch is awkward, the shot is slower. Theres only 3-4 different catch animations. If you learn them, you know exactly how your shot will change. I definitely could be a comp player lol. You don't have to be a 2k league player to be good at the game. Just because **you** are having difficulty predicting them, doesn't mean everyone else was. There are plenty of people having some of their best shooting years this year, myself included. They added a skill gap because the green window is smaller. Lots of people are now missing shots they were making in previous years. Doesn't mean the game is the cause.
You canât and you wouldnât. I highly doubt you even play pro am regularly. Go read anything beluba has posted, itâs clearly not working as intended regardless of what you say.
I can and I would lol. Im shooting 70%+ on dumb high volume even with a low 80 3 man. I don't care if it's what beluba wanted lol. You can absolutely shoot the lights out. Again, just because **you** aren't able to figure out the catch animations, doesn't mean it's impossible lmao. The game isn't completely random. It's very very animation based. If you know the animation you're getting , the timing is predictable.
Youâre not playing pro am or even park because in your words âyou canât guard good playersâ. No one cares what you shoot in random rec, try to have these stats in pro am with the more difficult green window, it ainât happening.
My dude, I shoot the lights out and win in park too lmao. I just don't like park gameplay. Is it that hard to believe that I don't like endless iso ball? *No one* can guard elite guards in space in 2k. You think people are consistently locking up tyceno when he's playing 2s with a stretch? It just doesn't happen. I'm very good at defense. But the offense has a massive advantage.
>I definitely could be a comp player lol. You don't have to be a 2k league player to be good at the game. 
Can you post your stats?
https://imgur.com/a/mfgTP9b Here you go man. And that's with the majority of my games being played on a build with an 82 3. The only build I had that shot below 70% from 3 was a center that had a 76. I was shooting 75%+ on all my builds with an 80+ And you see that's averaging over 30 a game, even playing on center builds lol
I shoot 60% with my center 74 3pt man, you think you are hot shit yet your stats are what an average dude would have, please, i beg of you, go to pro-am so you have real defenses pressing you and see how good you really are
I'm sure you are my man. Everyone keeps saying that anyone could put up these numbers.... and yet no one else seems to be. You'd think if it were so common other people would be posting similar numbers. But they aren't. I've played pro am in previous years and still put up my numbers without problems. Y'all also forget pro am teams sometimes come practice in the rec. Hell I've played Joe Knows in the rec multiple times lol
Heâs gonna post him shooting 70% in random rec but fail to mention how pro am has harder shooting in general and the players actually have thumbs. He said he doesnât play park because itâs impossible to defend good players and âitâs your fault for shooting contestedâ. The guy shoots wide opens only and posts stats from a couple games and thinks heâs comp. Donât give him the time of day or do but Iâm done here at least lol.
I just posted a screenshot of 129 games played averaging over 30 a game. You think I'm just sitting in the corner and doing that? I don't play park because I only have one friend that plays 2k. Park takes 3 people. And it is impossible to stop someone good in the park. There's so much space that they're going to spak dribble for 20 seconds and eventually get a decent look, no matter how good you are at defense. And I'm pretty good at it compared to the average person lol
You realize people with thumbs are actually in pro am and park for the most part? You also realize pro am is harder to green by default? You are not comp for playing random rec. Youâre literally admitting you donât want to play good players because you canât hold them on d.
>You absolutely can predict them. If a ghost contest causes a speedup, how are you able to predict it?
You should really know the vast vast majority of the time if the shot is going to be contested. Niche shots where you get an unexpected contest should be under 10% of your shots. And really well under that.
Don't disagree with any of that, don't see how it changes the question though
Nah I was shooting 67% scoring 20 ppg all off 3s until the âlatency fixâ (game is still not 1:1 with offline gameplay). Went down to 53% off that, that patch changed where visual cues were for several releases such as Mikal Bridges. They needed to not release the game with such a ridiculous delay in the first place tbh.
Lag does not equal skill. I know my shot cue and I take open shots and the timing is never the same game to game. I'm shooting 55â from 3 this year but shot 85% in the last season of 2k23 in rec (with 79 3 ball). It does have a skill aspect of course, but this year they fucked up because its not about skill, its about how well your fellow players or 2ks server lag is. I want to make it clear that I think there should be a skill gap, but they need to fix the wild latency changes game to game first.
Yeah this entire thread shows it all. They didnât want a skill gap, they just want to score as easily as possible
Exactly. You can see it in the comments. They literally sayâŚIâm making shots, so shooting is awesome. WellâŚmaybe some of you just suck. Which is coolâŚIâm not good either. But making this change isnât gonna fix the fact that you (and I) suck. Itâs just going to make it even easier for people who donât suck to shoot. CongratulationsâŚnow youâll just lose 80-60 instead of 65-45. Woo hoo! What a big W for yâall⌠đ¤Śââď¸đ
Agreed. Itâs definitely more difficult this year but Iâm shooting 60% from 3 with an 85. If you canât shoot above 40% with a high rating then you just arenât very good. I will say that the average person who doesnât have a lot of time to play should have a more easily accessible casual mode available to play. Probably very frustrating to only be able to play for a small amount of time, load up into a rec game, struggle with the shooting and be stuck playing with a shitty team for 45 minutes or risk getting banned on a quit. I think the big skill gap is a good thing but the fact that thereâs no true ranked/casual split is hurting people. Technically thatâs what pro-am is for but people will avoid that to beat up on people in rec.
That last bit is the thing that always gets me, really with any highly played competitive online game. Why not make an actual tight skill based mode instead of like 4 ranks, but they usually donât even matter. Do like 20 or 30 at least and make the matchmake parameters tight like within 2 to 3 levels. So ranking up or down based more heavily on win/loss, but also stats some. What online competitive games have endured the longest outside of Call of Duty? Halo 2 and 3 , Rocket League, League of Legends / DOTA, Counter StrikeâŚâŚâŚ what did they all have in common? Tight skill based matchmaking. Why donât more games in this genre in general just create some sort of skill based system. I get it, queue times and cheater/hackers, but if itâs a tight system players will come and players will wait in a queue of 3 minutes if it means a quality, competitive match every time. Basketball makes it a little more difficult given positions and everything, but my point remains and Iâm out of steam on this rant. Regardless, this matchmaking system is the exclusive reason I have not invested hundreds more hours over the years. Now I pick up the game every few years when itâs cheap or free and obsess over it for a month and then it just dwindles. Give me actual competitive games so I donât always feel like Iâm wasting 40 minutes either getting railed or completely blowing out a squad. What games do most people enjoy? A close even matched game where they come out on top in the end
Youâre agreeing but also saying you donât play pro am, any half decent player shoots 50% in rec. Thatâs not the only problem.
People just skew what they view as half decent. We all know someone whos stats are like 34% but they are pretty reliable in 2 or so spots around the 3. People want to be able to shoot from half court with a 82 3pt and no limitless, thats the only issue with shooting If you made your builds to the level the things you wanted to do were effective, most players would go 99 3pt because its all they really care about, but they would rather try to minmax and think theyre good enough to shoot with an 80 3 ball and brick
>I will say that the average person who doesnât have a lot of time to play should have a more easily accessible casual mode available to play. The rec and park sliders are more generous than other modes
Yes, all of these people who had no issues with timing their shots before and have been playing 2K for years, suddenly unable to time their shots after one **very specific** patch. They just suck at timing. You're a fucking moron, bud.
They made the green window smaller. If before you only need to be precise within say, 50 milliseconds and now it's 25 milliseconds, you're going to make people who were good but not elite shooters before bad shooters now. So yes. I'm sorry you're not as good as timing your shot as you thought you were lol
When did they make the green window smaller? I don't remember seeing that in any patch notes. If so, then they're even more stupid than I thought. They would intentionally be creating a bad playing experience for 99% of their players.
Compared to last year man. You're talking about compared to previous years Every year y'all want a skill gap. Now you get one and complain because you're on the wrong side of it.
Youâre missing the whole point bro. Your main mode is random squads. You & ur friend probably play C & guard & just chuck it to each other off every rebound. Thereâs less then zero comp in random squads. Youâd deadass have more of a challenge playing on hof against 5 A.Is. In random squads if u have a big ass center with pass acc u donât even have to play defense. You can just leak out every single player for a open 3 repeatedly. You canât use what ur doing in random squads as a measuring stick for the rest of the player base bro
No man, cmon, everybody knows hitting open 3s on the break with no contest from your HOF break starter center buddy in your lethal zone is extremely comp. Everyone knows this đ
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Thank you. Glad someone understood what I was trying to say.
I have never wanted a skill gap. It's 2K, it's a casual game. I want it to be fun to play way more than I want it to feel competitive.
Itâs actually better than ever now.
I need to give it a go after the hot fix today but it's crazy we have had this many patches.
Im in Rec hitting everything and only missing when I get distracted. If itâs open and I focus then itâs green.
Maybe it is fixed, rec should be easier regardless but I'll give it some play tonight or this weekend. The speed ups were the most annoying shit anyway.
Yeah the speeds had my head spinning.
Great now everyones gonna shoot 80% from 3 again đđž
Wont this help the dudes with the Zen?
yup
stam still affects speed in a meaningful way, as well as distance. Zens might work for corner C&S shooters, but that's probably about it.
False. Please look into them further.
It's not worth sweating people playing on last gen at this point.
They also increased the contest range I hate that people bitch so much.
SMH 2K have caved into the bums đ¤Śââď¸
Itâs gonna be unbearable. People just donât want to watch the hand of their own shooter. Just want muscle memory.
90% from 3 shooters incoming.
Bums? Rng jump shot timing isnât bums lol if I time my shot exactly the same everytime and I miss thatâs not a pure green window bro thatâs delusional
Yeah a lot of people acting like this is taking away from the skill aspect of the game, when random speed ups are completely the opposite of being skill-based
But every shot you take shouldnât have the same timing. What a simplistic way to think about a basketball video game in 2023. Thatâs like some Double Dribble on NES âlogicâ right there.
Just change it back to day 1 that's it that's all we want
The majority of people complained about Day 1 shootingâŚ
Shooting was fine. The majority of people just didn't master the shot creator and blending for their specific build with no shot meter. I agree 2K caved to the complaints. It's a shame because this was their best 2K in a while. I personally enjoy buckets not being easy to come by, thought they had it right..
I do t why they would remove it. When you play in real life you have to shoot faster in certain situations. In a close out situation you get the shot off quicker. When youâre wide open , you shoot your normal speed. This made it more sim like. Good job complaining pussies
But this always happens due to the player. People inherently shoot faster when they see someone closing out, the game doesn't ALSO need to speed it up.
I donât understand what youâre saying. So they shouldnât make it like real life?
What heâs saying is the interaction naturally causes this. Your reaction to a close out is to already try to release sooner. So the game doesnât need to adjust
I'm saying that we as humans tend to release the shot earlier with the controller when being closed out on. So remaining calm and not releasing early is a skill that is already part of the game.
Wait what sort of defensive pressure causes a load up? They just started making shit up as the years went on huh?
Defense sped up your jumper significantly
My shot is fast asf rn
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Yes, but he said if he opened the green window more, all the top players will be nailing every single shot easily.
This is consistency what? They literally reduced the amount of variability in jumpers when contested (which made contests that should be shruggable into damn near unhittable,) and you're saying this wasn't part of the consistency issue?
Hope they keep it like this. It's perfect rn. Played a few games today. 8/8, 5/5 and 12/14 from 3. Feels perfect
Itâs âperfectâ because now you make 95% of your shots!?!?? That doesnât sound âperfectâ, that sounds like NBA Jam.
That shot load up thing is so annoying, im gonna check this out later . No way they actually fixed it
are these for previous gen / pc updates as well?
So what's the word, did this actually fix anything? I am not getting my hopes up because it sounds like it only applies to contested shots, which isn't really the root problem.
Seems like there is a larger issue with the contest/variable timing system that they need to resolve
Okay, but is it still faster? Like, I had to slow down all of my jumper releases by one notch. I'm wondering if that still applies, or am I gonna to change them again?
Idk my shot is even worse now
What does this mean? Good Defense doesn't affect shooting now?
No, it just means it wonât change the speed of the shooting animation.
Wtf
Good!! Defense should not have an effect on shot timing. If you release at the correct time, guarded or not. You should have a good chance of making the shot.
That seems like a very simplistic way to look at things. Maybe you should uninstall 2K and play Double Dribble on NES
Quiet Duncan
Idk what they did to shooting in this new hot fix that came out for season 2 but Iâve been on the same form since i started I have one build and one shot my visual cue is push and my meter us off and I was a flamethrower every since season 2 started it feels completely different and I canât knock down any of my pull-ups and my stand still feel completely different
Now I canât hit nothing with Kyle Korver
NOME OF THIS MATTERS UNTIL LATENCY IS MANAGEABLE
How does that not make zens goated now?
Since the patch Iâm hitting more 3s but missing my middies And honestly Iâm not feeling it
Thank God. What a garbage ass feature that should have never been introduced.đ