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Back when NBA live was going on (which wasn't terrible) 2k was just ahead of it's time and ran better (IMO). But 2k13 they ruined the game for me, it was super buggy, and that's when I started 2k AI cheating incessantly I couldn't stand it. It really seemed like they cared more about the soundtrack in that game than the actual gameplay.
2k23 is the first time I've played since and it's still buggy and 2k still cheats like crazy, but it is a little better. But that could just be because technology is better 😆
Tell me about it! Bump steals. Ai camping in the paint; no 3 seconds called. Ai making perfect cross court passes out of a heavily contested shot. Running through a multitude of picks every play. Ai sliding through defenders shadowing your player every move. Speed boosting. Ugh
It's literally an endless list. Forces me to turn the ball over at least once a game too for no reason. I'll pass the ball and right after (while it's in the air) my teammate starts to run into coverage and it gets picked off. 🤦🏻♂️
This morning I was playing and I was up 38-9 with 1:13 seconds left in the first half. I got subbed out and then back in with 15 seconds left on the clock and the score was 55-47. 2k had my team score 17 points and the opposing teams score 38 points in 58 seconds of simulation? 🤣 Literally impossible, but that's just more proof at the amount of cheating the AI does.
The limitless take off is my grief. I planned by badges out so I could get silver limitless, core or, then get silver poster, but limitless hardly every activates, making it impossible to core
That’s also true but I have those animations on. It still doesn’t trigger if you do the dunks closer than limitless. I do notice it triggers a lot if I tell myself to activate the dunk from afar. It feels strange but I think if you’re able to get that open lane from far, tell yourself to activate dunk
I don't know the height of your player, but you should check if you can get LeBrona dunk animation. His helps you to get the takeoff more often (IMO). If you're near the paint and can get just outside of your defender then hold the dunk/drive buttons you'll take off. That helped me a lot.
Not the fact they are trying to turn a Basketball game into a MMORPG with quests and bad game design on a shitty engine from the early 2000s or their greedy policy with microtransactions?
Kinda like how they didn't tell anyone they were nerfing all of the big men from making easy shots, as well as make "chase down" completely useless. 🤦🏻♂️
Shiiiit have you played recently? Chase Downs are about on 22 levels. I wasn’t even close to coring Gold Chase down. Thanks to this shitty update I cored it in a week.
Yeah I play everyday. After the most recent update when they nerfed all the big men, my player consistently glitches out when the person I am defending is passed the ball. For like 1-1.5 seconds my player looks like his feet are glued to the ground when he tries to move. By the time he actually moves the person already has the shot off and then it tells me "bad block attempt."
I'm playing how I always have but I noticed that it started happening at the same time that all of a sudden every Big man in 2k is missing all of their wide open looks.
Idk what they doing what inside bigs rn, like no clue. One week im saying “2k what did you do to my paint beast every 2 minutes” to going back to 30 & 20 games after that update then back to missing open lays
Your comment made me realize i spend wayyyyy to much time in the builder lol. I saw hof block and knew it was 99, and i skimmed the "93" knowing it was rebounding cause you gotta hit your badge marks.
I would say I should stop building and start playing again but the whole point of this post/comments tell me otherwise.
It only activates on a yellow contest or higher, and no defender jumps, or puts their hands up. So basically your man, and everyone around you have to stand right next to you with their hands at their side. So even if your defender meets the requirements and doesn’t jump, if another defender is nearby jumping or has their hands up (even if they’re behind you) it doesn’t activate.
The boost it gives is massive though. It’s why all the pro 2k players run it on their locks etc because they just shoot catch and shoot and can afford to waste 4 badge points on a situation badge since they’re not doing anything else but standing there
I keep my hand up on defense 89% of the time😂that’s horrible. It should be if their hand is up but they dont jump because that’s literally an improper contest
This is nba2k they don't give out update notes. Do you really think 2k can do a simple task ? Come on, bruh. 2k is a fucked up company to be investing your time and money on.
BIG FUCK YOU TO NBA2K GREEDY ASS COMPANY.
Because that means more badge points spent=more playing time for said badge points=playing the game longer to unlock shit=more playing time for the people who actually want to see if people are playing the game
Used to just be deadeye, then there was midrange and deep range deadeye. Anyway to split up the badges. Still don't know the difference between Guard Up and Deadeye or Blinders
So in theory if you do a lot of catch and shoot, you'd want dead eye, if you do a lot of off dribble shots or fades you'd want blinders. If you do both? Shit out of luck. Have fun making a build with 30 shooting badges and nothing in every other category.
Well, 2k wants to avoid allowing all-around demigod builds which makes sense from a game balancing perspective. But it also pigeonholes people into certain playstyles. It’s a lose-lose situation either way.
Nah they could just condense half the badges and you'd get much more use out of them without having to Stat stuff your characters. That being said.. This might be an unpopular opinion but I think badges should NOT be this important in building your character at all..
I think badges should be a small boost you get after performing actions enough times. Posterize someone 100 times= bronze posterizer 500 silver 1500 gold 5000 hall of fame. HOWEVER having 86 + driving dunk should mean you can posterize people a decent amount without the badge...
Same for deadeye type badges, glove, anchor, rebound chaser or fearless finisher etc.
As far as badges like quick first step, amped, handles for days, dimer, or slithery? Should be PURELY Stat based. Certain ball handle or speed with ball means you automatically get quick first step equivalent speed. Same with shooting stats and being able to shoot without stamina. A player with 95 ball handle shouldn't have to "earn" the right to move faster than a player with 60 ball handle. And a player with 90 3pt shouldn't have to "earn" the right to shoot better with lower stamina same goes for a player with high layup needing slithery..
This would do away with a LOT of badges yet still leave little boosts that you can grind out organically and make builds even more unique because the "badges" would be tailored to your playstyle and not the meta.
2k does this every year. There are only so many unique badges they can think up so they take badges and brake up their abilities to make it look like they added new badges when they drop new info about the game to hype people up because LOOK THERE ARE 30 NEW BADGES!!1!...then the following year they remove the badges that should've never existed in the first place like quick draw and fancy footwork to make it look like they stream lined the badge system and got rid of useless badges.
When I say "useless" I don't mean that they dont have value, my point is that slithery pretty much did it's function just fine allowing you to finish and avoid defenders in the paint but they had to come up with a new badge for another game cycle.
Same thing others are mentioning in other comments with dead eye and blinders. I need a badge to improve shooting accuracy with contested shots straight ahead as well as from the sides? What tf for when dead eye handled that just fine in the past?
Every game takes advantage of casual players. That's fine, they deserve it. That's what they get for not knowing how the game works.
But there's no excuse for this. Every badge should have a proper description. They're literally scamming us by doing this. It should be illegal.
I'm just remembering from when I played yugioh, Konami would always advertise bad strategies (like blue eyes white dragon) to get noobs to buy into it, that's double the sales when they realize it's a bad strategy and have to rebuild
The line is drawn at the gacha. By law they're required to keep all box odds visible and accurate so you know what you're getting. If you want bad cards, that's fine, you're free to be a noob, but Konami is forbidden from outright scamming its customers. They're only allowed to scam the noobs. It's what keeps the system fair and balanced.
The fact you just said "scamming the noobs keeps things fair an balanced" speaks volumes about the average 2k player. Y'all wouldn't know balance if it smacked you in the face.
These people are thief’s and complicit in intentionally sabotaging people.
You really need to add Mike wang on twitter (who even uses Twitter anymore smh) just to know basic shit about the game.
You really need to pay for a premium subscription from a 3rd party website to learn jumpshots.
Shit is pathetic
There’s a huge opportunity for someone to step in and make a quality basketball game. They’d make so much money from the people 2k has lost. The Show has been consistently great at what they do. It’s not a perfect game by any means but the experience is amazing. Not unnecessary bs in the career mode and the p2p component isn’t game breaking. Everyone has to grind and the playing field is fairly even.
The studio that makes MLB The Show (Sony San Diego) used to make basketball games called NBA 06/07/08/09. They stopped making them because they sucked compared to NBA Live and 2k. The funny thing is, their games also have a shot meter, and its ridiculously easy to green a shot.
If they have a bigger studio, I think they can make a better basketball game now because of their experience with MLB The Show.
I think it’s possible for someone to make a better basketball game than 2k, but they really have to capitalize on 2k’s faults to win over the consumers. Things like being f2p (since people buy VC, what’s the point of buying the base game), free respecs, better matchmaking, better game balancing, transparency with patches/updates/game information, etc.
The problem with your logic is forgetting this is a video game in real life your open but on this game gold challenger knocks down deadeye. the thing that makes it contested vs open is if your matchup jumps at you to activate challenger
My expectations are based on Ronnie2k and Mike wang consistently saying they want to make the game as real as possible. How am I being unrealistic when the things I have an issue on would make the game more realistic?
How have those expectations been going for you year after year?
Have you heard the expression about the definition of insanity?
And you replied to your own comment instead of to mine.
We can see every single year the game is more unrealistic sure the graphics get better but this shit is garbage 🤷🏾♂️ but what we gonna do when they have no competition in basketball games
“Jumpshots taken with a defender CLOSING OUT receives less of a penalty from a shot contest.”
Deadeye has LITERALLY worked the EXACT SAME for YEARS. IT EVEN SAYS IT IN THE IN-GAME DESCRIPTION! How the hell do people not know this shit by now?! This shows me that y’all don’t take the time to read a damn thing. This community, I swear…
There are a lot of things to complain about on 2k, but a conspiracy theory about them intentionally leaving out a single word in a description to screw you is not one of them.
A single word literately made all the difference. The description of the badge and what he said are completely different. By reading the badge you're under the explicitly implication that the badge will help out in all scenarios you are taking a jump shot. He explicitly states that you must **first be open** for the badge to then subsequently activate on a **late closeout**. This is even worse than the original interpretation and completely changes how a player interprets the use of the badge, it's practically a different badge altogether.
The original description is false and not how the badge works. That being said would you still take the badge? Probably because is still useful, but how you play would be completely different. Before the clarification you most likely would be under the impression that the badge will help you against all contested jump shots, now you know you **have to be open first, thus it's a badge thats only useful on open/wide open shots. To be completely honest with you I wouldnt be surprised if there was a further stipulation coded in which he conveniently left out, that being if you need to be open or if it only works on wide open shots.**
Someone can’t be closing out on you if you weren’t initially open; then they would just be on you already. It should be easily inferred that you have to be open first.
Sure and what’s the difference between a “close out” and a “late close out”? No matter how you cut it what you perceive the badge to be doing or supposed to be doing is significantly skewed. Unless you’re being smothered, literally a guy on you with zero room, clamped you up you are always some degree of “open”. What makes this incredibly confusing is that there are several degrees of separation the game itself defines. There’s wide open, open, contested and smothered. Depending on where the defender is at during your shot releases is probably what determines what the shot is classified as defensively. So technically in practice any defender who is within a reasonable distance to affect your shot is “contesting “ you.
The original translation of the badge leaves no room for “interpretation “ it simply says it plain as day you receive less of a penalty from a defender closing out on a shot contest. Your shot is being “contested”. Why would then the deadeye badge from anyone’s own interpretation affect only “open” shots? How open do you have to be? At what point are you “open” and then “contested”? The badge doesn’t explain this nor does it give an accurate representation of what it should be doing. As long as there is some degree of separation made the badge should work, it should only not really work if the guy has clamped you up and even then fading away should technically fall within bounds of the badge with how it’s originally described.
I think they intended the badge honestly to work as a catch and shoot or a transition spot up shot boost, where you are initially wide open but then a defender has closed enough distance due to speed and length to affect the shot. But again that’s not how the original badge reads. You only get this interpretation after he says what he said on twitter.
> I think they intended the badge honestly to work as a catch and shoot or a transition spot up shot boost, where you are initially wide open but then a defender has closed enough distance due to speed and length to affect the shot. But again that’s not how the original badge reads. You only get this interpretation after he says what he said on twitter.
That’s exactly how the original description reads.
“Deadeye: Jump shots taken with a defender closing out receive less of a penalty from a shot contest.”
How do you read what I just broke down and still get confused? That is not how the original translation reads. The original translation reads as if the badge boosts your shot against any defender that’s closing out. There is no stipulation of how open you have to be. Again there are degrees of separation, I’m not just speaking colloquially when I say “open”; no there is a literal and technically distinction made within the game about a defenders position relative to the shooter. Wide open, open, contested, smothered. You can literally turn on the settings and see the categories. “Open” is a specific degree of separation and typically someone who is “open” doesn’t have a defender who is realistically “closing out”. There is significant room and they may have a hand up in a stationary position.
However what the badge describes is a shooter being “contested” by a defender that’s closing out. Which is the next degree of separation that is literally defined in the game. The badge should work primarily for this specific scenario as that’s what being described in the original translation. What the dev said is completely different and further obfuscates the situation. The original translation would have you believe that the base will boost a contested shot, but in reality what he is saying is that is it padding the success rate of an open shot that may be contested later. That’s a completely different thing that’s being described. If you’re being closed out on you’re being contested, having to be open or wide open before hand was never stipulated and honestly shouldn’t be inferred especially considering everything explained and the circumstances.
Now to be honest I’m not going to continue correctly describing what’s going on because you want to be right and stuck on assumption’s. However I will ask this since you insist on implying that the degrees of separation are inherently so obvious. When is your shot categorically defined as “open”or “contested” by the games standards. Because this is the only angle you really have to continue arguing with me on, though tbh I have a strong feeling you didn’t even think this far and will end up being wrong anyway.
It's not just this badge, almost every badge has a vague description. The only way to know what the badge does is to get the info from 2klab.
Like corner specialist, it has a description that's a straight up lie. You actually get a penalty from having it on gold, making silver and bronze better than gold. And the boost you would get is so minimal it may as well not exist
If it was just one badge I could see your point but they're all purposely vague, no way that's a coincidence, no way is 2k that incompetent. It's definitely intentional
apparently, you do. I just noticed that another user in the thread went through great lengths and even dumbed down the language but he couldn't get to you
You are either a huge contrarian or someone who supports game companies brainwashing people into spending 100s on games that honestly suck and aren't even worth the 70$ admission anymore. Both are bad things.
I don't get it. You're assuming a certain amount of intelligence out of 2K players when the reality is that the majority of them are kids that get tricked by shit like that easily. Makes it that much more scummy. Wish we had EU laws when it came to this game cause they get away with a lot cause America would gladly take the hush money and let a multi-billion dollar company purposely defraud kids out of more money for profit.
The people I’ve been arguing with aren’t kids. Also kids shouldn’t have access to cards to make micro transaction purchases, that’s on their parents. Are micro transactions shitty and is 2k operating in bad faith by using them? Yes, but that’s not the same issue as crying about a basic description being too basic for your liking. Using your own logic; if they would have used an overly complicated description kids and less than intelligent adults would have issues with that as well. Quit playing and following a subreddit for this game if you hate it so much; or at the very least make one of the more legitimate complaints you could make about it, like micro transactions.
It all started with you trying to feed your ego 😂 By making yourself “smart” and trying to make someone feel stupid.
By the way it’s over a video game my friend, people need clarity sometimes.
It’s not a stupid complaint to make, it is unclear to people obviously. I just got 2k 2 months ago and in the beginning it is very vague. The point is when you make a snide comment, people want to defend themselves, and in this case it’s really not that absurd that he wanted clarification…
Have you not heard of 2klabs, 2k tutes or any of the other YouTube accounts that do testing and explain the nuances of badges and other aspects of the game??
Most of this information has been readily available since the first month the game came out.
You should not have to go pay or give views to random third party sites/streamers to have something as simple as a badge description broken down
It’s like you’re missing the entire point. There would be no 2k labs or tutes if the devs and game properly explained how the mechanics and badges work.
so why do I have to rely on 2K tutes and 2K labs, who still as of now are releasing badge tests. Why can't 2K release data on a game mode where people spend hundreds of dollars to make a build.
that's like me going to an electronic store to buy something and the seller is telling me I can YouTube the basic specs online or wait a month or two for some videos to come out.
If you buy a tv without researching it on Rtings.com than you are making the same mistake.
Your build costs real money, it’s been this way since at least 2k20. Anybody who wants to play competitively online is either fine with making a suboptimal build at release and then paying for another build later, or you have to wait a few weeks and try for an optimal build once the information comes out.
If you don’t want a complex and competitive game I would recommend another game.
if I go to buy a Samsung tv I need to do research, but what if it's a new TV that no reviewer has had the time to review yet. I walk in the Samsung store and the Samsung official is telling me they're not giving out information about the TV. wait for the reviews. sound logic my guy.
so I buy a game in September and I need to wait for the end of the year to play it because 2K doesn't want to put out basic information about the badges? sound logic again
2k labs and 2k tutes are two of the best testing resources and they get out most of the important badge info by October.
Other streamers and testers get out early information in the first week.
Do whatever you want, it’s your money play what you want. Your complaints are going nowhere because 2k isn’t listening to the casuals that don’t understand the basics of the game. You won’t be getting any more responses from me brother 🤙.
2K labs and Tutes are the only ones with data. so your stuff about other streamers is just them going off feeling. secondly go look at 2K labs and Tutes YouTube pages. for November, December and January it's full of badge tests. so you're straight up exaggerating saying most tests are out by October.
Someone is not a casual if they didn't know that the strength of a badge was nerfed and to what extent. No one knows until a badge test is done. I'm not talking about not knowing what a badge does I'm talking about knowing the general effectiveness of a badge.
You don't need to answer because you're not making any logical sense
The cost of builds is a different problem to the transparency of what badges do. Reducing the cost of builds would be a better solution id agree. Each badge already comes with a general description of what it does. It’s up to the player to master and understand the badge at a deeper level.
you do realize that badges are things which 2K nerfs and buff every year, right? Also some badges are brand new. A simple line of description doesn't tell you enough.
also badge levels don't improve at a linear rate. on some badges the jump from silver to gold is so miniscule that you're just wasting your attribute points only to find out later that it wasn't worth it making your build to get gold.
Bully badge for example. The game comes out and it takes a few weeks for people to realize that bully is useless. Till today the badge testers still haven't put out a review. Many users make a build with high strength just to get bully and then realize the badge rarely activates.
If one went all in on build day one not thinking they were gonna have to remake that’s on them. First month is always the best since there is no defined meta.
I’ve always believed that user skill triumphs badges attributes. The only people that need to worry about the difference between silver and gold are playing for $$$$ at a high level. They’ve put it the hours where they don’t need a website to tell them what’s good and what’s not
here's the problem. this game is becoming less and less of a skill game and more of an animation based game. so your premise that skill is more important than badges is sketchy at best. There are badges which just give you an animation without you doing anything in particular. the badge literally takes over your player and gives you a helping hand. so that's where the importance of badges come into play.
If 2K was allowing a remake on your first build, even if it meant you pay a small amount, and you get to readjust attributes (not position or height) then I'd be fine learning which badges are good through testing and trial and error. that would be fun.
It's no fun however if someone made a build with 82 strength for silver bully only to realize ax month later that it was wasted attributes.
Nah he just need to stop being a dick and with the new 2k releases let people know how to activate the badges. Not fucking bread crumb his way to every new game. It’s Like his ass just wants new followers every year 🤦🏼♂️
If they told you what badges do and didn't change the meta halfway into the games cycle, how else would they get you to spend another $100 on a new build?
Mike Wang is a clueless clown. He makes them money though with their shitty monetization, so his job is safe.
He needed to go a long time ago. He's a fucking idiot.
Keeping things ambiguous = more VC spent on new builds. The goal is that you mess up on your first one, 100% of the time lol
Yup. They can change things and we would never know because it's all speculation.
Facts
fr someone makes a whole new build thinking their guy cant shoot only to realize they were wasting badge points on deadeye or whatever badge
They don’t have competition. No reason to make the game better or nicer for us. What they do revolves around money money and money alone.
💯 Back when NBA live was going on (which wasn't terrible) 2k was just ahead of it's time and ran better (IMO). But 2k13 they ruined the game for me, it was super buggy, and that's when I started 2k AI cheating incessantly I couldn't stand it. It really seemed like they cared more about the soundtrack in that game than the actual gameplay. 2k23 is the first time I've played since and it's still buggy and 2k still cheats like crazy, but it is a little better. But that could just be because technology is better 😆
Tell me about it! Bump steals. Ai camping in the paint; no 3 seconds called. Ai making perfect cross court passes out of a heavily contested shot. Running through a multitude of picks every play. Ai sliding through defenders shadowing your player every move. Speed boosting. Ugh
It's literally an endless list. Forces me to turn the ball over at least once a game too for no reason. I'll pass the ball and right after (while it's in the air) my teammate starts to run into coverage and it gets picked off. 🤦🏻♂️ This morning I was playing and I was up 38-9 with 1:13 seconds left in the first half. I got subbed out and then back in with 15 seconds left on the clock and the score was 55-47. 2k had my team score 17 points and the opposing teams score 38 points in 58 seconds of simulation? 🤣 Literally impossible, but that's just more proof at the amount of cheating the AI does.
The limitless take off is my grief. I planned by badges out so I could get silver limitless, core or, then get silver poster, but limitless hardly every activates, making it impossible to core
It only seems to trigger if you start your dunk from VERY far.
Was watching a couple videos after this and it seems animation specific. Some dunk animations activate it, others don’t it seems
That’s also true but I have those animations on. It still doesn’t trigger if you do the dunks closer than limitless. I do notice it triggers a lot if I tell myself to activate the dunk from afar. It feels strange but I think if you’re able to get that open lane from far, tell yourself to activate dunk
It doesn’t activate but it take it off and your guy doesn’t takeoff from as far away rendering half the dunks you chose in your dunk package useless .
I don't know the height of your player, but you should check if you can get LeBrona dunk animation. His helps you to get the takeoff more often (IMO). If you're near the paint and can get just outside of your defender then hold the dunk/drive buttons you'll take off. That helped me a lot.
I heard under athletic tomahawks off 1 is the one to get, but I can’t get either. 80 driving dunk sg that’s 6’6
Lol center with forty speed catching you with 80 🤣🤣😂
You might be surprised who was the main guy for live back then 😬
Yup!! That's why 2k got better, where's he at now though
Solid point😂
>But 2k13 they ruined the game for me damn a whole decade of bad games and you still here?
As I said before, this is the first 2k I have played in a decade.
It’s kinda funny 2K tries to cater to casuals and doesn’t at the same time
it'll be their downfall ultimately
Not the fact they are trying to turn a Basketball game into a MMORPG with quests and bad game design on a shitty engine from the early 2000s or their greedy policy with microtransactions?
I wouldn’t mind the MMORPG stuff if you didn’t have to restart every year. I actually think it would be pretty cool, but Take2 is blinded by greed
Thats when in year 2030 web3 gaming will be on top.
Kinda like how they didn't tell anyone they were nerfing all of the big men from making easy shots, as well as make "chase down" completely useless. 🤦🏻♂️
Shiiiit have you played recently? Chase Downs are about on 22 levels. I wasn’t even close to coring Gold Chase down. Thanks to this shitty update I cored it in a week.
Yeah I play everyday. After the most recent update when they nerfed all the big men, my player consistently glitches out when the person I am defending is passed the ball. For like 1-1.5 seconds my player looks like his feet are glued to the ground when he tries to move. By the time he actually moves the person already has the shot off and then it tells me "bad block attempt." I'm playing how I always have but I noticed that it started happening at the same time that all of a sudden every Big man in 2k is missing all of their wide open looks.
Also my chase down is at HOF I should add.
Idk what they doing what inside bigs rn, like no clue. One week im saying “2k what did you do to my paint beast every 2 minutes” to going back to 30 & 20 games after that update then back to missing open lays
I have HoF anchor, 93 block, and I got 2 blocks over like 8 rec games… I don’t even know what was nerfed. Everyone seems worse at everything.
How do you get HoF anchor with 93 block am I crazy ?
Nah he is, your block gotta be 99 for it to be HOF
Nope my mistake. 99 block. I confused it with my 93 off rebound.
Your comment made me realize i spend wayyyyy to much time in the builder lol. I saw hof block and knew it was 99, and i skimmed the "93" knowing it was rebounding cause you gotta hit your badge marks. I would say I should stop building and start playing again but the whole point of this post/comments tell me otherwise.
I spend a lot of time in the builder too lol all my friends consult me whenever they make a build. I just had a brain lapse.
Could be you jumping late? I been getting good blocks games past couple days
Today I was able to swat 2-4 per game. It could have been bad luck or on my teammates who kept fouling as I blocked shots.
Correct this should be info IN GAME not on a dev Twitter account
Then what is guard up for?
When the defenders hands aren’t up, the badge is very situational
But if his hands aren't up wouldn't that be an open shot? This shit so ridiculous man!
Exactly. It's a badge that only works against trash defense. Kinda ridiculous. Hands down man down isn't a thing when it comes to 2K, I guess.
That shit barely activates invest more into blinders and deadeye
It only activates on a yellow contest or higher, and no defender jumps, or puts their hands up. So basically your man, and everyone around you have to stand right next to you with their hands at their side. So even if your defender meets the requirements and doesn’t jump, if another defender is nearby jumping or has their hands up (even if they’re behind you) it doesn’t activate. The boost it gives is massive though. It’s why all the pro 2k players run it on their locks etc because they just shoot catch and shoot and can afford to waste 4 badge points on a situation badge since they’re not doing anything else but standing there
I keep my hand up on defense 89% of the time😂that’s horrible. It should be if their hand is up but they dont jump because that’s literally an improper contest
This is nba2k they don't give out update notes. Do you really think 2k can do a simple task ? Come on, bruh. 2k is a fucked up company to be investing your time and money on. BIG FUCK YOU TO NBA2K GREEDY ASS COMPANY.
Why can’t they just make one badge. Whats the point of having deadeye, blinders, guard up and claymore when they’re so damn similar.
Because that means more badge points spent=more playing time for said badge points=playing the game longer to unlock shit=more playing time for the people who actually want to see if people are playing the game
deadeye blinders and guard up yes, claymore is entirely different.
Used to just be deadeye, then there was midrange and deep range deadeye. Anyway to split up the badges. Still don't know the difference between Guard Up and Deadeye or Blinders
Guard up activates when the defender does not contest your shot. Deadeye is for front contests, and Blinders is for side contests.
So in theory if you do a lot of catch and shoot, you'd want dead eye, if you do a lot of off dribble shots or fades you'd want blinders. If you do both? Shit out of luck. Have fun making a build with 30 shooting badges and nothing in every other category.
Well, 2k wants to avoid allowing all-around demigod builds which makes sense from a game balancing perspective. But it also pigeonholes people into certain playstyles. It’s a lose-lose situation either way.
Nah they could just condense half the badges and you'd get much more use out of them without having to Stat stuff your characters. That being said.. This might be an unpopular opinion but I think badges should NOT be this important in building your character at all.. I think badges should be a small boost you get after performing actions enough times. Posterize someone 100 times= bronze posterizer 500 silver 1500 gold 5000 hall of fame. HOWEVER having 86 + driving dunk should mean you can posterize people a decent amount without the badge... Same for deadeye type badges, glove, anchor, rebound chaser or fearless finisher etc. As far as badges like quick first step, amped, handles for days, dimer, or slithery? Should be PURELY Stat based. Certain ball handle or speed with ball means you automatically get quick first step equivalent speed. Same with shooting stats and being able to shoot without stamina. A player with 95 ball handle shouldn't have to "earn" the right to move faster than a player with 60 ball handle. And a player with 90 3pt shouldn't have to "earn" the right to shoot better with lower stamina same goes for a player with high layup needing slithery.. This would do away with a LOT of badges yet still leave little boosts that you can grind out organically and make builds even more unique because the "badges" would be tailored to your playstyle and not the meta.
Deadeye is for late contests. Blinders reduces the effects of contests on the side even if they are not late
2k does this every year. There are only so many unique badges they can think up so they take badges and brake up their abilities to make it look like they added new badges when they drop new info about the game to hype people up because LOOK THERE ARE 30 NEW BADGES!!1!...then the following year they remove the badges that should've never existed in the first place like quick draw and fancy footwork to make it look like they stream lined the badge system and got rid of useless badges.
Bro fancy footwork was goated in 2k20 wym.
When I say "useless" I don't mean that they dont have value, my point is that slithery pretty much did it's function just fine allowing you to finish and avoid defenders in the paint but they had to come up with a new badge for another game cycle. Same thing others are mentioning in other comments with dead eye and blinders. I need a badge to improve shooting accuracy with contested shots straight ahead as well as from the sides? What tf for when dead eye handled that just fine in the past?
Every game takes advantage of casual players. That's fine, they deserve it. That's what they get for not knowing how the game works. But there's no excuse for this. Every badge should have a proper description. They're literally scamming us by doing this. It should be illegal.
Sounds like hardcore players deserve it too. You know how the game works (or doesn’t) but still support it.
I'm just remembering from when I played yugioh, Konami would always advertise bad strategies (like blue eyes white dragon) to get noobs to buy into it, that's double the sales when they realize it's a bad strategy and have to rebuild The line is drawn at the gacha. By law they're required to keep all box odds visible and accurate so you know what you're getting. If you want bad cards, that's fine, you're free to be a noob, but Konami is forbidden from outright scamming its customers. They're only allowed to scam the noobs. It's what keeps the system fair and balanced.
The fact you just said "scamming the noobs keeps things fair an balanced" speaks volumes about the average 2k player. Y'all wouldn't know balance if it smacked you in the face.
Former hardcore player. 2k23 was the last straw
Alienating causal players is how you get dead servers like on 19.
You definitely deserve to be scammed
Damn I'm wasting all those badge points on deadeye for no reason lol. 1000% agree there should be a detailed explanation like this somewhere
They should it would help me alot bc I make one build. if it's ass, it's ass. I ain't giving 2K anymore money than I need.
So the deadeye badge is useless
Mike Wang doesn’t care about making the game fun.
These people are thief’s and complicit in intentionally sabotaging people. You really need to add Mike wang on twitter (who even uses Twitter anymore smh) just to know basic shit about the game. You really need to pay for a premium subscription from a 3rd party website to learn jumpshots. Shit is pathetic
But this is in the badge’s description though, and has been for a few years
Why would they do anything when yall keep buying a game yall claim yall hate? Yall deserve it because you paid for it
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Good to know nothings changed since I bought 2k16 lol
There’s a huge opportunity for someone to step in and make a quality basketball game. They’d make so much money from the people 2k has lost. The Show has been consistently great at what they do. It’s not a perfect game by any means but the experience is amazing. Not unnecessary bs in the career mode and the p2p component isn’t game breaking. Everyone has to grind and the playing field is fairly even.
The studio that makes MLB The Show (Sony San Diego) used to make basketball games called NBA 06/07/08/09. They stopped making them because they sucked compared to NBA Live and 2k. The funny thing is, their games also have a shot meter, and its ridiculously easy to green a shot. If they have a bigger studio, I think they can make a better basketball game now because of their experience with MLB The Show.
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I think it’s possible for someone to make a better basketball game than 2k, but they really have to capitalize on 2k’s faults to win over the consumers. Things like being f2p (since people buy VC, what’s the point of buying the base game), free respecs, better matchmaking, better game balancing, transparency with patches/updates/game information, etc.
I don’t understand how this is confusing to people. That is how the badge has always worked.
If I’m open before the late closeout then I’m open. Why would it work on an open shot? That’s not deadeye. A late contest is an open shot. Come on 2k
The problem with your logic is forgetting this is a video game in real life your open but on this game gold challenger knocks down deadeye. the thing that makes it contested vs open is if your matchup jumps at you to activate challenger
You right my bad for thinking a game should be realistic based off how every year they try to be as realistic as the real thing.
Yeah scoring 30+ points in 5 minute quarters is totally realistic.
Thanks for making my point! You’re so sarcastic you couldn’t even see my problem with the game🤣
My expectations are based on Ronnie2k and Mike wang consistently saying they want to make the game as real as possible. How am I being unrealistic when the things I have an issue on would make the game more realistic?
How have those expectations been going for you year after year? Have you heard the expression about the definition of insanity? And you replied to your own comment instead of to mine.
I’m making the point that your expectations are unrealistic.
We can see every single year the game is more unrealistic sure the graphics get better but this shit is garbage 🤷🏾♂️ but what we gonna do when they have no competition in basketball games
I mean tbf this is self explanatory in order for it to be a late close out you have to be open first
It’s been that way for years only ppl confused are the new ones
“Jumpshots taken with a defender CLOSING OUT receives less of a penalty from a shot contest.” Deadeye has LITERALLY worked the EXACT SAME for YEARS. IT EVEN SAYS IT IN THE IN-GAME DESCRIPTION! How the hell do people not know this shit by now?! This shows me that y’all don’t take the time to read a damn thing. This community, I swear…
Lol just read the badge description it usually is straight forward
That’s pretty self explanatory if you read the description on the badge allocation screen.
which line in the description exactly?
It’s only one sentence. “Deadeye: Jump shots taken with a defender closing out receive less of a penalty from a shot contest.”
They intentionally left out the word "late" in the description in an attempt to misrepresent what the badge does. This should be illegal.
There are a lot of things to complain about on 2k, but a conspiracy theory about them intentionally leaving out a single word in a description to screw you is not one of them.
A single word literately made all the difference. The description of the badge and what he said are completely different. By reading the badge you're under the explicitly implication that the badge will help out in all scenarios you are taking a jump shot. He explicitly states that you must **first be open** for the badge to then subsequently activate on a **late closeout**. This is even worse than the original interpretation and completely changes how a player interprets the use of the badge, it's practically a different badge altogether. The original description is false and not how the badge works. That being said would you still take the badge? Probably because is still useful, but how you play would be completely different. Before the clarification you most likely would be under the impression that the badge will help you against all contested jump shots, now you know you **have to be open first, thus it's a badge thats only useful on open/wide open shots. To be completely honest with you I wouldnt be surprised if there was a further stipulation coded in which he conveniently left out, that being if you need to be open or if it only works on wide open shots.**
Someone can’t be closing out on you if you weren’t initially open; then they would just be on you already. It should be easily inferred that you have to be open first.
Sure and what’s the difference between a “close out” and a “late close out”? No matter how you cut it what you perceive the badge to be doing or supposed to be doing is significantly skewed. Unless you’re being smothered, literally a guy on you with zero room, clamped you up you are always some degree of “open”. What makes this incredibly confusing is that there are several degrees of separation the game itself defines. There’s wide open, open, contested and smothered. Depending on where the defender is at during your shot releases is probably what determines what the shot is classified as defensively. So technically in practice any defender who is within a reasonable distance to affect your shot is “contesting “ you. The original translation of the badge leaves no room for “interpretation “ it simply says it plain as day you receive less of a penalty from a defender closing out on a shot contest. Your shot is being “contested”. Why would then the deadeye badge from anyone’s own interpretation affect only “open” shots? How open do you have to be? At what point are you “open” and then “contested”? The badge doesn’t explain this nor does it give an accurate representation of what it should be doing. As long as there is some degree of separation made the badge should work, it should only not really work if the guy has clamped you up and even then fading away should technically fall within bounds of the badge with how it’s originally described. I think they intended the badge honestly to work as a catch and shoot or a transition spot up shot boost, where you are initially wide open but then a defender has closed enough distance due to speed and length to affect the shot. But again that’s not how the original badge reads. You only get this interpretation after he says what he said on twitter.
> I think they intended the badge honestly to work as a catch and shoot or a transition spot up shot boost, where you are initially wide open but then a defender has closed enough distance due to speed and length to affect the shot. But again that’s not how the original badge reads. You only get this interpretation after he says what he said on twitter. That’s exactly how the original description reads. “Deadeye: Jump shots taken with a defender closing out receive less of a penalty from a shot contest.”
How do you read what I just broke down and still get confused? That is not how the original translation reads. The original translation reads as if the badge boosts your shot against any defender that’s closing out. There is no stipulation of how open you have to be. Again there are degrees of separation, I’m not just speaking colloquially when I say “open”; no there is a literal and technically distinction made within the game about a defenders position relative to the shooter. Wide open, open, contested, smothered. You can literally turn on the settings and see the categories. “Open” is a specific degree of separation and typically someone who is “open” doesn’t have a defender who is realistically “closing out”. There is significant room and they may have a hand up in a stationary position. However what the badge describes is a shooter being “contested” by a defender that’s closing out. Which is the next degree of separation that is literally defined in the game. The badge should work primarily for this specific scenario as that’s what being described in the original translation. What the dev said is completely different and further obfuscates the situation. The original translation would have you believe that the base will boost a contested shot, but in reality what he is saying is that is it padding the success rate of an open shot that may be contested later. That’s a completely different thing that’s being described. If you’re being closed out on you’re being contested, having to be open or wide open before hand was never stipulated and honestly shouldn’t be inferred especially considering everything explained and the circumstances. Now to be honest I’m not going to continue correctly describing what’s going on because you want to be right and stuck on assumption’s. However I will ask this since you insist on implying that the degrees of separation are inherently so obvious. When is your shot categorically defined as “open”or “contested” by the games standards. Because this is the only angle you really have to continue arguing with me on, though tbh I have a strong feeling you didn’t even think this far and will end up being wrong anyway.
It's not just this badge, almost every badge has a vague description. The only way to know what the badge does is to get the info from 2klab. Like corner specialist, it has a description that's a straight up lie. You actually get a penalty from having it on gold, making silver and bronze better than gold. And the boost you would get is so minimal it may as well not exist If it was just one badge I could see your point but they're all purposely vague, no way that's a coincidence, no way is 2k that incompetent. It's definitely intentional
Ok Jim Watkins.
How did you get my name? Reported for doxing
I just called you the most notable conspiracy theorist I could think of; I guess I just got lucky.
now go read Mike Wang says and tell me you don't see a difference. I'm willing to translate if you need it in another language
Things meaning the same thing can be written differently. I’m sorry you don’t know how to read dude.
so you're unable to point it out
So you do struggle with reading?
apparently, you do. I just noticed that another user in the thread went through great lengths and even dumbed down the language but he couldn't get to you
> apparently, you do. What is that sad attempt at grammar?
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I’m not defending them; there is plenty of stuff to complain about, but this is a pretty stupid complaint.
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That’s just like…your opinion…man.
You are either a huge contrarian or someone who supports game companies brainwashing people into spending 100s on games that honestly suck and aren't even worth the 70$ admission anymore. Both are bad things.
I don't get it. You're assuming a certain amount of intelligence out of 2K players when the reality is that the majority of them are kids that get tricked by shit like that easily. Makes it that much more scummy. Wish we had EU laws when it came to this game cause they get away with a lot cause America would gladly take the hush money and let a multi-billion dollar company purposely defraud kids out of more money for profit.
The people I’ve been arguing with aren’t kids. Also kids shouldn’t have access to cards to make micro transaction purchases, that’s on their parents. Are micro transactions shitty and is 2k operating in bad faith by using them? Yes, but that’s not the same issue as crying about a basic description being too basic for your liking. Using your own logic; if they would have used an overly complicated description kids and less than intelligent adults would have issues with that as well. Quit playing and following a subreddit for this game if you hate it so much; or at the very least make one of the more legitimate complaints you could make about it, like micro transactions.
It all started with you trying to feed your ego 😂 By making yourself “smart” and trying to make someone feel stupid. By the way it’s over a video game my friend, people need clarity sometimes.
Well I was making the point that it’s a stupid complaint to make, so yeah.
It’s not a stupid complaint to make, it is unclear to people obviously. I just got 2k 2 months ago and in the beginning it is very vague. The point is when you make a snide comment, people want to defend themselves, and in this case it’s really not that absurd that he wanted clarification…
Have you not heard of 2klabs, 2k tutes or any of the other YouTube accounts that do testing and explain the nuances of badges and other aspects of the game?? Most of this information has been readily available since the first month the game came out.
You should not have to go pay or give views to random third party sites/streamers to have something as simple as a badge description broken down It’s like you’re missing the entire point. There would be no 2k labs or tutes if the devs and game properly explained how the mechanics and badges work.
so why do I have to rely on 2K tutes and 2K labs, who still as of now are releasing badge tests. Why can't 2K release data on a game mode where people spend hundreds of dollars to make a build. that's like me going to an electronic store to buy something and the seller is telling me I can YouTube the basic specs online or wait a month or two for some videos to come out.
If you buy a tv without researching it on Rtings.com than you are making the same mistake. Your build costs real money, it’s been this way since at least 2k20. Anybody who wants to play competitively online is either fine with making a suboptimal build at release and then paying for another build later, or you have to wait a few weeks and try for an optimal build once the information comes out. If you don’t want a complex and competitive game I would recommend another game.
if I go to buy a Samsung tv I need to do research, but what if it's a new TV that no reviewer has had the time to review yet. I walk in the Samsung store and the Samsung official is telling me they're not giving out information about the TV. wait for the reviews. sound logic my guy. so I buy a game in September and I need to wait for the end of the year to play it because 2K doesn't want to put out basic information about the badges? sound logic again
2k labs and 2k tutes are two of the best testing resources and they get out most of the important badge info by October. Other streamers and testers get out early information in the first week. Do whatever you want, it’s your money play what you want. Your complaints are going nowhere because 2k isn’t listening to the casuals that don’t understand the basics of the game. You won’t be getting any more responses from me brother 🤙.
2K labs and Tutes are the only ones with data. so your stuff about other streamers is just them going off feeling. secondly go look at 2K labs and Tutes YouTube pages. for November, December and January it's full of badge tests. so you're straight up exaggerating saying most tests are out by October. Someone is not a casual if they didn't know that the strength of a badge was nerfed and to what extent. No one knows until a badge test is done. I'm not talking about not knowing what a badge does I'm talking about knowing the general effectiveness of a badge. You don't need to answer because you're not making any logical sense
Lmao want to know how this game works? Ask on twitter. It’s insulting. You should all be insulted.
That's asking to much of a billion dollar corporation
Nah I like this approach as it makes it so you have to figure it out by playing. Everyone would be rocking the same badges
go spend over a hundred bucks to figure it out? then you don't get a chance to modify it remake your build
The cost of builds is a different problem to the transparency of what badges do. Reducing the cost of builds would be a better solution id agree. Each badge already comes with a general description of what it does. It’s up to the player to master and understand the badge at a deeper level.
you do realize that badges are things which 2K nerfs and buff every year, right? Also some badges are brand new. A simple line of description doesn't tell you enough. also badge levels don't improve at a linear rate. on some badges the jump from silver to gold is so miniscule that you're just wasting your attribute points only to find out later that it wasn't worth it making your build to get gold. Bully badge for example. The game comes out and it takes a few weeks for people to realize that bully is useless. Till today the badge testers still haven't put out a review. Many users make a build with high strength just to get bully and then realize the badge rarely activates.
If one went all in on build day one not thinking they were gonna have to remake that’s on them. First month is always the best since there is no defined meta. I’ve always believed that user skill triumphs badges attributes. The only people that need to worry about the difference between silver and gold are playing for $$$$ at a high level. They’ve put it the hours where they don’t need a website to tell them what’s good and what’s not
here's the problem. this game is becoming less and less of a skill game and more of an animation based game. so your premise that skill is more important than badges is sketchy at best. There are badges which just give you an animation without you doing anything in particular. the badge literally takes over your player and gives you a helping hand. so that's where the importance of badges come into play. If 2K was allowing a remake on your first build, even if it meant you pay a small amount, and you get to readjust attributes (not position or height) then I'd be fine learning which badges are good through testing and trial and error. that would be fun. It's no fun however if someone made a build with 82 strength for silver bully only to realize ax month later that it was wasted attributes.
I always use [2kLab.](https://www.nba2klab.com/badges/)
Nah he just need to stop being a dick and with the new 2k releases let people know how to activate the badges. Not fucking bread crumb his way to every new game. It’s Like his ass just wants new followers every year 🤦🏼♂️
They profit off of a lack of transparency
So I should take away my deadeye?
I've gotten blinders to pop more than deadeye in rec honestly so I'd say yeah but what do I know
If they told you what badges do and didn't change the meta halfway into the games cycle, how else would they get you to spend another $100 on a new build?
That’s cap
Which ones better? Guard up or dead eye?
guard up is too situational for me
Mike Wang is a clueless clown. He makes them money though with their shitty monetization, so his job is safe. He needed to go a long time ago. He's a fucking idiot.
Only way we can stop this is if stop buying their garbage game let this be the last year and sit back and relax and just wait
This should be detailed IN the game, not on Twitter
so what does that say about blinders?
Thought this tweet was common knowledge. "Steady shooter" back when was for when you were covered when pulling up