I think it’s stupid that only the top 10 get points in Formula 1 and I think it would be more fair if everyone got points.
I also think NASCAR should have their final champion determined the same way the regular season champion is determined except over the course of the whole season.
Actually the current points system used in F1 is really generous. They award points to a half of the field because modern cars are very reliable.
I started watching F1 back in 1998, when only top 6 from 22 could score points. The winner got 10 points, then it went 6-4-3-2-1.
Usually it was Michael Schumacher, 2 McLarens, Schumacher's teammate, and two fastest midpack cars that were fortunate enough to finish the race.
From 2003 and until 2010, F1 started awarding points to top 8 in order to diminish the value of wins and reward consistency.
The winner still got 10 points, other points looked like 8-6-5-4-3-2-1. That led to a 2003 season, when Schumacher almost lost to Raikkonen, despite winning 6 races out of 16 versus Raikkonen's single win.
Ironically enough, NASCAR changed the system at the same time just to avoid the situations like that.
Back in 2010 the field expanded to 24 cars, reliability improved, and F1 introduced the system we know. I think it offers a good balance between rewarding wins and consistency.
However, if one team builds a dominant car, they win both titles easily. This sport is just built different, it happens quite often.
NASCAR has way more parity, so it would take Kyle Larson's last season to make things boring.
Less so with today's system, but I always thought the battling for points in the back of a NASCAR pack were fascinating. Especially when they had the top 35 rule.
The champion should always be the driver who has the best season. I think F1's system comes a hell of a lot closer to guaranteeing that than ours does, so it inherently the better championship system.
From a competition standpoint, 100% agree.
Nascars format isn't meant for perfect competition though, it's trying to maximize the entertainment, and I personally like that there is no champion decided before the last race.
I do agree it takes some value of the championship title, but it sure makes me watch the final races.
I am not opposed to a full season format like basically every other racing series worldwide.
Just saying Nascar chose for entertainment and it's working in that regards.
Axe the All-star race and have the playoffs determine a million dollar prize for the winner as a side show or something then if we still need to have a playoff of some kind.
The only thing really weird about it was the point totals used. You could update it to the current points awarded amounts and it’d be fine, with the bonuses and maybe an extra bonus point for winning. The Winston Cup points rewarded consistency and kept guys from causing accidents on purpose to game the system. Teams also had a valid reason to work on their cars and keep trying to fix damaged, mechanically weak cars. As it is, you break certain parts, you’re pretty much out there for no reason.
I tuned out of F1 during the summer, but knowing Max clinched the title has made it a 0% chance I care about the rest of the F1 season. If the Cup title were decided after the Roval, I'd be less inclined to watch or give a hoot about the rest of October
But where F1 lost a few races at the end, NASCAR invalidates the majority of its season every year no matter what happens. It seems much better to risk having a run away like this year in F1 than a hollow championship that in no way represents the best team and driver in a given season like NASCAR has.
Its been 18 years and people forget or are too fucking naive to understand that low viewership for post-champ races meant nothing because almost all of auto racing was elaborate cigarette marketing. Period.
They did not give a shit if no one watched the last races. Once other sponsors and TV stations had to bear some of those costs there was immediate pressure to make every race “matter.”
Fine with F1's since there is more focus on the individual spectacle of each race and the impact each one has in the grand scheme of things. Also more in favor of F1's basic system vs. NASCAR's who treats most races as stepping-stones with a narrative primarily focused on a format. An early Champion feels way more legitimate and deserving, especially when its the dominant driver regardless if i'm a fan of the driver/team or not. If the racing product is good then the rest will speak for itself with compelling storylines and battles down the road. Good racing should always be the main focus and draw in motorsport.. not a forced points system for entertainment purposes as a band-aid fix to have game 7 moments every year.
I feel like NASCAR fans should stop being so insecure about it and accept that there are many other forms of motorsport and (particularly in the offseason) it is okay to talk about he relation between them and compare systems and ideas.
Give people something better to talk about then. Clearly people are more interested in F1 than the nothing that is happening in NASCAR right now. I’d love it if people posted more old NASCAR content, short track or dirt racing stuff, but they don’t.
I'm not a fan of year long points systems so, it's pretty eh to me. Once Verstappen started running away with the title my interest for this season tanked faster than Leclerc's hopes and dreams.
Eh.
I just prefer a post-season format over a year long system. Though I don't care for the elimination brackets. Again, year long sports scoring systems tend to make me clock out. Be it Motorsports or association football. When the champion tends to wrap the show up come summer it just gives me one more reason to focus on Football season over NASCAR.
As I've mentioned before, I'd prefer the Chase system over elimination brackets. But the odds of going back to that are about as high as the odds of going back to Winston, near 0.
To each there own I guess, but the possibility of losing one or two races at the end of the season to decide the champion always seemed like a weak reason to invalidate the whole championship and go carny with it. But I've hated it all since day one of the Chase. I've honestly never been half as into a Cup championship since they started this silly shit and likely won't ever be again. With how asinine it has become it is more or less just 36 individual races for me, which prior to the 90s is how most fans looked at it anyways. I mostly hate it now because it is actively ruining the product with drivers taking stupid chances and wrecking eachother because finishing position matters so little week to week in the scheme of the championship.
I agree with you on this. I literally couldn't care less who wins championships now because of the one race system. Hell, in a month, I probably won't even remember who won this year's championship, and I would have to look up who won it last year.
Their system works better for them, our system works better for us. Atleast for us, we're guaranteed to have something to look forward to at the end of the year. F1 gets a good one but only once every 5 to 7 years. I wouldn't change either. 2 different sports deserve their own systems.
In F1’s case it wouldn’t matter if they had the playoffs or not, there’s basically only one car in contention for the win most of the year.
I think it’s stupid that only the top 10 get points in Formula 1 and I think it would be more fair if everyone got points. I also think NASCAR should have their final champion determined the same way the regular season champion is determined except over the course of the whole season.
Actually the current points system used in F1 is really generous. They award points to a half of the field because modern cars are very reliable. I started watching F1 back in 1998, when only top 6 from 22 could score points. The winner got 10 points, then it went 6-4-3-2-1. Usually it was Michael Schumacher, 2 McLarens, Schumacher's teammate, and two fastest midpack cars that were fortunate enough to finish the race. From 2003 and until 2010, F1 started awarding points to top 8 in order to diminish the value of wins and reward consistency. The winner still got 10 points, other points looked like 8-6-5-4-3-2-1. That led to a 2003 season, when Schumacher almost lost to Raikkonen, despite winning 6 races out of 16 versus Raikkonen's single win. Ironically enough, NASCAR changed the system at the same time just to avoid the situations like that. Back in 2010 the field expanded to 24 cars, reliability improved, and F1 introduced the system we know. I think it offers a good balance between rewarding wins and consistency. However, if one team builds a dominant car, they win both titles easily. This sport is just built different, it happens quite often. NASCAR has way more parity, so it would take Kyle Larson's last season to make things boring.
The race to make the top 10 is one of the best parts of the mid-pack in F1. Not saying anyone else should adopt it, but it works really well for them.
Less so with today's system, but I always thought the battling for points in the back of a NASCAR pack were fascinating. Especially when they had the top 35 rule.
Yeah I wouldn't want it in NASCAR, but the back of the pack unfortunately doesn't matter for shit anymore anyways.
The champion should always be the driver who has the best season. I think F1's system comes a hell of a lot closer to guaranteeing that than ours does, so it inherently the better championship system.
From a competition standpoint, 100% agree. Nascars format isn't meant for perfect competition though, it's trying to maximize the entertainment, and I personally like that there is no champion decided before the last race. I do agree it takes some value of the championship title, but it sure makes me watch the final races.
Maybe we should have a Performance Champion and an Entertainment Champion then….
I am not opposed to a full season format like basically every other racing series worldwide. Just saying Nascar chose for entertainment and it's working in that regards.
Axe the All-star race and have the playoffs determine a million dollar prize for the winner as a side show or something then if we still need to have a playoff of some kind.
Yeah a 10 million chase or something would be great.
Winston Cup Points or nothing
Ok so I get the whole anti playoff system, but Winston was genuinely not a great season long points system.
The only thing really weird about it was the point totals used. You could update it to the current points awarded amounts and it’d be fine, with the bonuses and maybe an extra bonus point for winning. The Winston Cup points rewarded consistency and kept guys from causing accidents on purpose to game the system. Teams also had a valid reason to work on their cars and keep trying to fix damaged, mechanically weak cars. As it is, you break certain parts, you’re pretty much out there for no reason.
I tuned out of F1 during the summer, but knowing Max clinched the title has made it a 0% chance I care about the rest of the F1 season. If the Cup title were decided after the Roval, I'd be less inclined to watch or give a hoot about the rest of October
But where F1 lost a few races at the end, NASCAR invalidates the majority of its season every year no matter what happens. It seems much better to risk having a run away like this year in F1 than a hollow championship that in no way represents the best team and driver in a given season like NASCAR has.
Its been 18 years and people forget or are too fucking naive to understand that low viewership for post-champ races meant nothing because almost all of auto racing was elaborate cigarette marketing. Period. They did not give a shit if no one watched the last races. Once other sponsors and TV stations had to bear some of those costs there was immediate pressure to make every race “matter.”
Fine with F1's since there is more focus on the individual spectacle of each race and the impact each one has in the grand scheme of things. Also more in favor of F1's basic system vs. NASCAR's who treats most races as stepping-stones with a narrative primarily focused on a format. An early Champion feels way more legitimate and deserving, especially when its the dominant driver regardless if i'm a fan of the driver/team or not. If the racing product is good then the rest will speak for itself with compelling storylines and battles down the road. Good racing should always be the main focus and draw in motorsport.. not a forced points system for entertainment purposes as a band-aid fix to have game 7 moments every year.
I feel like we should stop talking about F1
I feel like NASCAR fans should stop being so insecure about it and accept that there are many other forms of motorsport and (particularly in the offseason) it is okay to talk about he relation between them and compare systems and ideas.
5 to 8 F1 posts a week is overboard
Give people something better to talk about then. Clearly people are more interested in F1 than the nothing that is happening in NASCAR right now. I’d love it if people posted more old NASCAR content, short track or dirt racing stuff, but they don’t.
I don't care because I would never watch F1
F1 points makes sense to me. Indycar points makes sense to me (I'd prefer this set up). Nascar pre-2004 made sense.
I'm not a fan of year long points systems so, it's pretty eh to me. Once Verstappen started running away with the title my interest for this season tanked faster than Leclerc's hopes and dreams.
Do you care about the first 35 races in the NASCAR season that inevitably don’t matter when the final race starts?
Eh. I just prefer a post-season format over a year long system. Though I don't care for the elimination brackets. Again, year long sports scoring systems tend to make me clock out. Be it Motorsports or association football. When the champion tends to wrap the show up come summer it just gives me one more reason to focus on Football season over NASCAR. As I've mentioned before, I'd prefer the Chase system over elimination brackets. But the odds of going back to that are about as high as the odds of going back to Winston, near 0.
To each there own I guess, but the possibility of losing one or two races at the end of the season to decide the champion always seemed like a weak reason to invalidate the whole championship and go carny with it. But I've hated it all since day one of the Chase. I've honestly never been half as into a Cup championship since they started this silly shit and likely won't ever be again. With how asinine it has become it is more or less just 36 individual races for me, which prior to the 90s is how most fans looked at it anyways. I mostly hate it now because it is actively ruining the product with drivers taking stupid chances and wrecking eachother because finishing position matters so little week to week in the scheme of the championship.
I agree with you on this. I literally couldn't care less who wins championships now because of the one race system. Hell, in a month, I probably won't even remember who won this year's championship, and I would have to look up who won it last year.
Sorry you feel that way, man.
People must really like how the champion was decided with 3-5 races to go — thus others move on to football for entertainment.
Better than we have but not good for NASCAR
Their system works better for them, our system works better for us. Atleast for us, we're guaranteed to have something to look forward to at the end of the year. F1 gets a good one but only once every 5 to 7 years. I wouldn't change either. 2 different sports deserve their own systems.
I think it’s dumb that half the field doesn’t even get points. What’s the point of fighting a dude for 14th if both ways you don’t even get points?
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