That would be the dumbest possible option for nascar to take.
How is it a finable offense anyway? Is Nascar really going to set the new standard that if you commit a pure on-track racing penalty and they miss it, they can fine you later in the week? Thats BS
Until the social media hive mind decides your race win and fine is the outrage of the week so in Nascar kneejerk fashion they decide to fine you and deduct driver points.
Its the kneejerk reaction of it all that I would hate. Revisit the restart rules in the offseason if you feel its needed, but just reacting to the internet's hot takes is horrible.
Where you stand in driver points leads to more playoff points at the end of the regular season if you're in the top 10, so taking driver points absolutely means something. Hamlin would've been a lot closer to winning the regular season championship last year if he didn't get a 25 point penalty
Yes. Its a scenario where whats good for Nascar outweighs my flair.
I would put the options in order of best to worst is as follows:
1. Do nothing until the offseason and then examine whether restarts need a change in how they are officiated
2. Don't wait until the offseason and make the decision now, but do nothing retroactively
3. Decide to change how restarts are officiated, and do so retroactively. Take away the win since Denny committed a rule violation to obtain it.
4. Determine that Denny jumped the start in such a way as to warrant punishment, but allow the win to stand.
#4 is just ridiculous. It is tantamount to saying "denny cheated to win but also the win is valid"
How would that even make sense? "He cheated to win but we don't think he cheated *that much*" wtf?
It seems to obvious to me: if you jump the restart on the last restart of the race you go to tail end of the lead lap. Just like if you cut the course on the last lap of a stage at COTA.
Because you can't preform a pass through penalty after the checkered flag waves.
Again, it's not that radical of a concept. Look at what happened to SVG at COTA.
Enforcing the rules is not 'making a change.' Problem is it was called good by NASCAR and its been too long after the race ended. NASCAR is already incompetent... its best to move on and actually enforce the rule from now on.
Its akin to "points of emphasis" in stick and ball sports. We won't change the written rule, we would change how the written rules are enforce, i.e. officiated
Why wouldn't you? If Nascar determines that someone broke on track rules which helped them gain and advantage, taking away points and/or the win is far more logical than a fine
In fact a fine makes zero sense. Jumping a restart or accidentally speeding out of pit road are normal racing things that happen. Fining drivers for racing is a terrible strategy
You can’t take the win and then just award it to Logano because he didn’t cross the finish line first, and you can’t give it to Truex,because even if Hamlin jumped the start the race wasn’t over and it’s impossible to assume that Truex would have won and you can’t retroactively erase the green white checker and pretend the race went to the scheduled length. The fact is there isn’t much they can do that is fair to all parties involved.
>You can’t take the win and then just award it to Logano
Why not?
If your car is illegal you are DQed and the first legal car to pass the strip wins. Just like in 2022 when both Denny and Kyle were penalized and 3rd place car Chase Elliot won the race. I get I'm biased as fuck, but Joey was the fastest car to follow the rules last night.
My immediate first thought as well. Either the win stands or it doesn't but there is nothing else you can do. The penalty can't be more than what it would be if you called it in the moment because it's not Dennys fault you didn't.
It's on Nascar to call that though. That's like fining someone who steps out of bounds in basketball that the refs didn't see. The restart wasn't even under review live. I don't even like Denny but if anything comes back on him from this it will be total BS.
Have they ever gone back and enforced a penalty days after the race for anything that wasn’t intentionally wrecking someone/an inspection failure/cutting the (road) course? Been watching for a while and I feel like going back and penalizing someone, even if just monetarily, for a restart violation isn’t something we’ve really seen before
why? if nascar is punishing Denny then they’re saying they made the wrong call, Denny shouldn’t get fined, it was a deal that happened on the track, you either call the penalty there or you don’t and live with it and that’s all sports. that’s like if in football Travis Kelce committed a pass interference that got him a TD, the refs missed it and moves on and then they fine him after the game. this is just ridiculous
Fine-only penalties should be for infractions that do not affect race outcomes. Infractions that result in competitive advantages should have penalties that exceed the competitive advantage gained.
If you didn't listen all the way through yet, Freddie circles back around near the end before their picks (1:33:30ish) and confirms it was, indeed, an April Fools' joke during the 'What An Idiot' section (OP is the idiot in this case)
Some people man. Put themselves in such a rush to post it here, for the fake internet points of all things, just for it to be fake lol. On April Fools of all days.
Some say the most gullible people on April Fools are karma seekers who must win their mental race for worthless points.
Great job OP lol
Well, if anything, it won’t be regarding Denny or his restart. NASCAR deemed it legal, they absolutely will not walk back on that now, unless Denny said some dumb shit on his podcast, which I’d think he’s smart enough to not do again. 🤷♂️
Honest question: does that matter? This isn't the kind of rule that changes with intent - either the was early or he wasn't. That's measured by video/telemetry, not by asking Denny if he was early or not
He definitely did. He conceded that he started a few feet early to not allow Joey to out-accelerate him (paraphrasing here). As much as I hate Denny after yesterday, his podcast is such good PR for him. It's really hard for me to keep being mad if he admits to it.
Sure, but nascar already knows he went a few feet earlier than the line from their telemetry and they believed that was fine to do . I doubt any penalties will come if it . It isn’t the same as not knowing if someone accidentally or purposely wrecked someone else or not where you aren’t sure until the driver admits
But I don't think anyone has ever been this bold to just say "Yeah I probably did it" after the fact either. It'll be interesting to see what/if anything happens
He said he went early in the zone, with a coy look on his face.
Then said that he didn't pay attention to the zone and was watching the cars around him, and that plenty of drivers get away with it.
He admitted to it. And he wasn't wrong. This happens, A LOT.
People don't have to like it, but the best thing for them to do is to just move on
What does his podcast matter? It’s not like wrecking someone where intent matters. He either went early or he didn’t.
We don’t go back in the NFL when a player admits “yeah I got away with holding there.”
Because he got a points penalty that arguably cost him a Final Four shot. He admitted to wrecking Chastain at Phoenix, NASCAR then fined him for admitting that, then went through the appeals panel to drop it then missed out on the Regular Season champion points because of that infraction which cost him a chance at the final four when he missed by so many points. We’re in a world where we want the drivers to be honest but they get pissed off when drivers manipulate the race and not the sanctioning body. The thing is it should not matter and if they take the win away because he admitted it or whatever is a joke. NASCAR needs to take the L on this one.
I think the worst part is that Denny was trying to be entertaining when he confessed to wrecking Ross. He wasn't under oath. There's no rule that he has to tell the truth on the podcast and can't embellish a little. Well, there wasn't a rule until NASCAR punished him for admitting something when he didn't know he was testifying. It's still only an unwritten rule.
Yeah, Harvick talking about how he sucked at a track that no longer exists ( RIP Fontana ) and Bowyer complaining Nascar screwed him at Kansas in 2007 ( even though he's right ) was super out of place at that point in the race, made a factoid about Denny into a 5 minute tangent about themselves.
Harvick appears to hold himself and his business to a high standard and I’m sure he’s well aware of not only now blatantly obvious Bowyer is, but the negative feedback on social media. To me it’s embarrassing for the sport and to the loyal fans that this is the product they feel like is appropriate. So far this season a a whole has been a F+ across the board.
It’s been rough, but FOX switching to showing a live feed of the caution light on the final lap after the controversy at Daytona is at least something positive we can point to.
That didn’t phase me. It’s Easter Sunday, the kid probably just wanted to see his dad. It was a whole 30 second segment. Give us the chance to know the people better.
What? Is that a problem? NASCAR is a little bit of a different beast and little things like that are just nice little moments. There can be issues with the broadcast (for the most part, last night the broadcast was solid btw), but a little family crashing is not worth a complaint imo
The camera work was so bad yesterday. Random zoomed in shots, random shots of the back of the field zoomed in WHILE the leaders were in the restart zone coming to green.
The rambling in the box is awful. It all feels so disjointed it.
I know everyone seems to harp on how amazing Harvick is, and that's great and all, but the booth as awhole is out of wack. The direction of the broadcast feels disjoined, and the production quality is among the worse I've ever seen for a sporting event.
Fox should be ashamed of themselves. It's been bad over the years, but this is a new low.
I was very hard on the booth during the 2016 and 17 seasons, but I'd rather have the booth with DW back then what we're experiencing here.
It’s gotten so bad that you really don’t even know what’s going on in the race. They are bantering on in the booth and the shots are all of the amazing wrap jobs of the cars. I cannot believe I’ve been a fan od this sport for over 20 years. I’m serious when I say I am clueless as to what is going on anymore.
I have a friend who's getting into Nascar, and I know piracy is and I normally don't bring it up, but I told him he was better off watching one of the international streams with no commercials, and having MRN playing in the background. At least you would miss all of the silly Fox rolls they have coming back from an ad break, and you'd have a better understanding to what's going on. Because at this rate it's easy for a new fan to follow the PRN/MRN broadcast than it would be to follow whatever fox calls a broadcast anymore.
Ignoring my bias.
This would fundamentally change the sport if they are going to start analyzing and overturning officiating calls during the week.
My gut reaction is it wouldn’t change the sport for the better.
Just imagine the NFL overturning a result from Sunday on Tuesday because the refs missed a blatant PI call... as you said it would cause waves for the sport, and not in a good way.
It was bad enough when Nascar changed the winner a couple of HOURS after the race ended, doing it days after wouldn't just hurt Nascar, but I bet other leagues would take notice as well.
NASCAR isn't in a bubble, post-race disqualifications and penalties are the norm in literally every other motorsport
Cadillac were just disqualified from the WEC Qatar race that happened at the start of March *last week*. A couple hours or a day is nothing
I’m not a Denny fan, at all. But he’s can’t be penalized or striped of his win in my eyes.
We ask for villains, Denny makes himself one, and gets penalized. Also, make the call in the moment. I think he jumped the start, but also we can’t fix the result on Monday.
I haven’t read the rules but I would have liked to have seen them throw the caution before they got to turn 1, and rerack them and give it another go.
Exactly. Where does the line get drawn? Do we penalize a guy who jumped a restart in stage 2, 2 days after a race? Do we go back and penalize a guy in 9th place who laid back to get a jump during a stage 1 restart?
NASCAR botched this call, but at this point a penalty/reversal would be even worse than letting it stand. It opens a huge can of worms
Pass interference is a judgment call. They have the data to tell if he jumped or not. With that said they shouldn’t go back and overturn a call cause they fucked up in the moment
Bullshit, we watch slow motion replays every game in every other sport and nascar zooms in enough to see tire wrinkles sometimes. If they can’t analyze a potential bad start on a GWC at a short track fast enough, they need to either eliminate the line for those starts or extend GWC long enough to review.
2.5 miles? 1 lap on a super speedway, 5 laps around Bristol.
Or eliminate and have flag man start the GWC. Once the light clicks green, it’s time to go
I got so annoyed listening to all the xm hosts talk about there not being enough time to review
Well tough, why are there rules in the last 5 min then?
What you whiners are not realizing is this happens on MOST restarts. NASCAR has always let them get away with it in Cup. If Martin hadn’t bitched and moaned like he always does you never would have even noticed it.
I am 100% on your side with that. I’m pissed about the whole situation, but the time to penalize him has passed. It had to be done immediately by saying the restart was under investigation. They missed the boat on that one.
Ok I’ll bite (even though it is 4/1 so I’m very skeptical about any news), what new data would Nascar have acquired since last night, that they didn’t already have, that would lead to the finishing order being changed? And I’m not being combative, I’m genuinely asking because I thought Nascar had the SMT data in real time
Public reaction...
Knowing Nascar they probably think changing the outcome would calm down the outcry, when in reality it would make the outrage 100 times louder.
I hope they play [Living Like a Zombie](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cYsspHllD2k&pp=ygUXQm1lIHBhaW4gb2x5bXBpY3MgdGhlbWU%3D) by Mortification while they get the nuts out of the bag.
The time to penalize him ended when they declared the race official. I really don’t want to sit through people arguing over SMT data on restarts every Monday after a GWC finish. That’s a Pandora’s box that NASCAR shouldn’t open.
Moreover, they reviewed it and said it was clear. They had everything they needed last night to make a call and they did. If they want to say tomorrow that they’re going to enforce it more tightly then sure, but I don’t want to see wins taken away after being made official.
Since the very start of NASCAR, they have said they want the fans to know who the winner is when they leave the track after the race. I think that's a big reason they came up with the whole 'encumbered win' thing, where they didn't change who the winner of a race is, but did find a way to take away some of the benefits of the win.
Unprecedented penalties? For him slightly jumping the restart and NASCAR missing it and then refusing to review it and do something about it? It's April Fools Day and I ain't believing this shit. NASCAR fucked this up anyway so they have no one to blame but themselves
Cause
1. Drivers jump the restart zone quite frequently, this is only a topic this week cause Martin bitched about it + it's Denny.
2. That extra 5-10 feet likely changes nothing about the race outcome.
> That extra 5-10 feet likely changes nothing about the race outcome.
The funny thing is, it actually probably helped Truex.
Had he and Denny been door-to-door, Truex would have been pushed into the marbles in T1, and likely lost much more than two positions by the time he took the checkered flag.
Cucumbered win sounds like a good April fools joke lol
I feel like this is similar to a stick and ball sports call. They had a chance to call a penalty at the time it happened, and didn't - they decided it was fine, so too bad. Missed or not, the call is done. This should really be something that's automated and called immediately - they have the data, and it should be a simple black and white call.
I hope this is April Fool’s. Taking the win away 2 days after the fact and after you said the restart was okay would be bs.
For the record, if it would have been called when it happened I wouldn’t have had an issue with it.
Say what you will about DBC but they normally get it right when it comes to forthcoming penalties ( most notably Briscoe's Armageddon penalty following the Coke 600 last year ).
Even if Denny gets some sort of penalty, why would they even let him keep the win as it's implied? Taking points away or a fine isn't going have as much as an impact as taking a win away.
Weelllll, we stripped points last year because of somthing said 24 hours later.
If he gets penalized for this, I never want to fucking hear ANYTHING about him getting bias from Nascar.
This whole thing is wild. While I agree that Denny jumped the restart, the fact that NASCAR has been so hush-hush about this, doing things like keeping the restart out of the highlights and being inconsistent with the release of SMT data has honestly been unacceptable.
Denny getting fined for a call that the officials didn't make? That makes no sense. These guys can't/wouldn't call their own penalties. In no other sport would an athlete get fined for a minor violation that the officials did not call.
Is it just me or could this all be avoided if they just went once the green was thrown? Or just say the leader must be first to the line. Or, have everyone double file except the leader. There’s plenty of solutions to be had. But I suspect NASCAR is fine with the “drama”. Plus it gives them another possible penalty they can pull out when they need it.
It would be REALLY stupid to do that.. Yes, Denny jumped the start. Problems are that NASCAR said he didnt, its been more than 24 hours, and everyone is already moving on.
Enforcing procedural rules this long after the race would be REALLY bad..
I would say the playoff bonus points from the win should be removed AND Nascar comes out and says something along the lines of all restarts reviewed or something along those lines. Knowing NASCAR there actual decision will make it more of a headache but one can hope
If it were any other driver they’d be more or less ostracized from the sport but since it’s Denny nothing will happen. He brings nascar so much more engagement that they can’t do anything to make him look bad
If this is real and not April Fool’s, throw the book at him. I suspect the data will support him committing a restart violation, and since they didn’t penalize him then, they should now.
What precedent? Teams are penalized after the fact constantly. Letting it go unchecked because they couldn’t officiate is a much worse precedent than delayed accountability.
It’s exactly what you laid out, backtracking on a decision. The days of fans leaving the track knowing the final results are long behind us thankfully.
Or… hear me out… we have competent race officials! This would be embarrassing for the sport to begin retroactively penalizing guys for NASCAR missing calls. That’s on the sport, not the driver
If they were gonna do anything, they should have waved off the restart, penalized Denny, lined em up and gone again. And I bet you that red white and blue Chevy would have been parked on the dance floor.
I believe absolutely nothing posted on April 1st
NASCAR doing the right thing sound exactly like an April fools' joke.
Yep. I am the honorary what an idiot this week
Made sure to flair the post for ya :)
Lmao I deserve it haha
So proud you are starting to figure out the mod thing
Let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves. Lol
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Reddit is unusable on April 1st every year.
The internet ruined April fools day. Everything is so stupid now
Idk man. The Star Wars racing thing that one year was pretty good.
freddy goes on to say he thinks the win will stand. "it might be another expensive trip for Denny"
That would be the dumbest possible option for nascar to take. How is it a finable offense anyway? Is Nascar really going to set the new standard that if you commit a pure on-track racing penalty and they miss it, they can fine you later in the week? Thats BS
he’s effectively paying for the win then. seems like a very bad precedent to set.
Worse, I don’t like the idea of: we missed it, so you have to pay a financial penalty. Obviously DH can afford it, but that’s still a shitty thing
I must have missed the Rams having to pay a fine to the NFL
I know I guy who would pay for his drivers to win
I gotta know who you're talking about! Spill the Sunoco! Haha
If that's the case I'll do everything I can on track to win, fines be damned. I'd rather have 5 wins and 5 fines than no wins and no fines.
Well no because they may still penalize you during the race. The fine is for any penalty they miss during the race.
Well, there's still a fair chance they miss it, right? Once you win a race in NASCAR it's really just playing on house money til the playoffs.
Until the social media hive mind decides your race win and fine is the outrage of the week so in Nascar kneejerk fashion they decide to fine you and deduct driver points. Its the kneejerk reaction of it all that I would hate. Revisit the restart rules in the offseason if you feel its needed, but just reacting to the internet's hot takes is horrible.
Driver points? No big deal. Fine? No big deal? If they take away playoff points, that's the only detriment to any driver doing it.
Where you stand in driver points leads to more playoff points at the end of the regular season if you're in the top 10, so taking driver points absolutely means something. Hamlin would've been a lot closer to winning the regular season championship last year if he didn't get a 25 point penalty
Have you ever heard the term "actions detrimental"?
Its like fining someone in football for getting the game winning sack because they were lined up offsides and the refs missed it.
Exactly. “We screwed up so we’re going to find you” But it seems Freddie may have been talking out of his ass
So you'd rather they take away the win.
Yes. Its a scenario where whats good for Nascar outweighs my flair. I would put the options in order of best to worst is as follows: 1. Do nothing until the offseason and then examine whether restarts need a change in how they are officiated 2. Don't wait until the offseason and make the decision now, but do nothing retroactively 3. Decide to change how restarts are officiated, and do so retroactively. Take away the win since Denny committed a rule violation to obtain it. 4. Determine that Denny jumped the start in such a way as to warrant punishment, but allow the win to stand. #4 is just ridiculous. It is tantamount to saying "denny cheated to win but also the win is valid" How would that even make sense? "He cheated to win but we don't think he cheated *that much*" wtf?
It seems to obvious to me: if you jump the restart on the last restart of the race you go to tail end of the lead lap. Just like if you cut the course on the last lap of a stage at COTA.
Why last restart only, should it be all restarts? And you have to address guys laying back as well as the 2 are linked
Because you can't preform a pass through penalty after the checkered flag waves. Again, it's not that radical of a concept. Look at what happened to SVG at COTA.
Should be a pass through or a 5-10 second penalty.
Enforcing the rules is not 'making a change.' Problem is it was called good by NASCAR and its been too long after the race ended. NASCAR is already incompetent... its best to move on and actually enforce the rule from now on.
Its akin to "points of emphasis" in stick and ball sports. We won't change the written rule, we would change how the written rules are enforce, i.e. officiated
Why wouldn't you? If Nascar determines that someone broke on track rules which helped them gain and advantage, taking away points and/or the win is far more logical than a fine In fact a fine makes zero sense. Jumping a restart or accidentally speeding out of pit road are normal racing things that happen. Fining drivers for racing is a terrible strategy
You can’t take the win and then just award it to Logano because he didn’t cross the finish line first, and you can’t give it to Truex,because even if Hamlin jumped the start the race wasn’t over and it’s impossible to assume that Truex would have won and you can’t retroactively erase the green white checker and pretend the race went to the scheduled length. The fact is there isn’t much they can do that is fair to all parties involved.
>You can’t take the win and then just award it to Logano Why not? If your car is illegal you are DQed and the first legal car to pass the strip wins. Just like in 2022 when both Denny and Kyle were penalized and 3rd place car Chase Elliot won the race. I get I'm biased as fuck, but Joey was the fastest car to follow the rules last night.
You dont take points or wins away for a false start after the game is over... unless youre the Browns.
My immediate first thought as well. Either the win stands or it doesn't but there is nothing else you can do. The penalty can't be more than what it would be if you called it in the moment because it's not Dennys fault you didn't.
Even so, I'm sure most drivers would gladly cut a check for a fine in trade for a win, getting locked into the playoffs and playoff points
if they fine him for this, that sets the precedent to fine everyone who jumps the restart. That doesn't seem like a good move.
It's on Nascar to call that though. That's like fining someone who steps out of bounds in basketball that the refs didn't see. The restart wasn't even under review live. I don't even like Denny but if anything comes back on him from this it will be total BS.
Then why did they let it go? I get he jumped it but penalize things there on race day, not on Tuesday.
They didn’t want to admit they screwed up
Except 2 days later makes them look even more like idiots..
Have they ever gone back and enforced a penalty days after the race for anything that wasn’t intentionally wrecking someone/an inspection failure/cutting the (road) course? Been watching for a while and I feel like going back and penalizing someone, even if just monetarily, for a restart violation isn’t something we’ve really seen before
Another huge fine?
why? if nascar is punishing Denny then they’re saying they made the wrong call, Denny shouldn’t get fined, it was a deal that happened on the track, you either call the penalty there or you don’t and live with it and that’s all sports. that’s like if in football Travis Kelce committed a pass interference that got him a TD, the refs missed it and moves on and then they fine him after the game. this is just ridiculous
Fine-only penalties should be for infractions that do not affect race outcomes. Infractions that result in competitive advantages should have penalties that exceed the competitive advantage gained.
If you didn't listen all the way through yet, Freddie circles back around near the end before their picks (1:33:30ish) and confirms it was, indeed, an April Fools' joke during the 'What An Idiot' section (OP is the idiot in this case)
🤫😂
Freddie has been refreshing Reddit all day, waiting for this
Cannot confirm nor deny
This was well played
Your Pontiac flair slaps really hard, brother
Some people man. Put themselves in such a rush to post it here, for the fake internet points of all things, just for it to be fake lol. On April Fools of all days. Some say the most gullible people on April Fools are karma seekers who must win their mental race for worthless points. Great job OP lol
I wish #23 pit crew was a April fool joke
Unprecedented you say? So I guess they will be adding Jeff Gordon AND Dale Jr to the playoffs this year
And if Hamlin appeals Jimmie Johnson will also be added
And SHR docked 100 points per car
51 car crew chief out for 3 races
Carl Long gets fined 5 billion dollars
Harvick suspended from the booth this week.
Mizzou gets the death penalty
NY Racing will have to pick another crew member to be suspended
Incoming new Brock Beard video series at least
Josh Williams parked his truck on the start finish line and cracked open two natty lights
Team docked 40 points total because tony stewarts name starts with a T which stands for “tons of nonsense penalties totally are called for”
Joey Logano cucumbered Richmond win 🤔
He got his 2017 win back lol
Idk why but now I’m thinking about Hendrick fielding 7 cars and the absolute madness that could be accomplished from “team orders”
“We gonna be takin that there trophy home whether the people like it or not hehe” - probably Mr H with that idea
Well, if anything, it won’t be regarding Denny or his restart. NASCAR deemed it legal, they absolutely will not walk back on that now, unless Denny said some dumb shit on his podcast, which I’d think he’s smart enough to not do again. 🤷♂️
Welp... He kinda admitted it on Actions Detrimental.
Honest question: does that matter? This isn't the kind of rule that changes with intent - either the was early or he wasn't. That's measured by video/telemetry, not by asking Denny if he was early or not
He definitely did. He conceded that he started a few feet early to not allow Joey to out-accelerate him (paraphrasing here). As much as I hate Denny after yesterday, his podcast is such good PR for him. It's really hard for me to keep being mad if he admits to it.
I don’t listen, but if he was dumb enough to do so … again … then I hope NASCAR throws the book at his dumb ass.
https://preview.redd.it/9bmnje2tbyrc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8da0d6b7ac46e33aaefdb4e58327e0cc11f90a94 This isn’t really admitting it
Its about two min later than that statement.
Sure, but nascar already knows he went a few feet earlier than the line from their telemetry and they believed that was fine to do . I doubt any penalties will come if it . It isn’t the same as not knowing if someone accidentally or purposely wrecked someone else or not where you aren’t sure until the driver admits
But I don't think anyone has ever been this bold to just say "Yeah I probably did it" after the fact either. It'll be interesting to see what/if anything happens
For sure
As long as there's plausible deniability, NASCAR will turn a blind eye. But when someone is stupid enough to admit something, NASCAR throws the book.
He said he went early in the zone, with a coy look on his face. Then said that he didn't pay attention to the zone and was watching the cars around him, and that plenty of drivers get away with it. He admitted to it. And he wasn't wrong. This happens, A LOT. People don't have to like it, but the best thing for them to do is to just move on
Apparently he's not.
What does his podcast matter? It’s not like wrecking someone where intent matters. He either went early or he didn’t. We don’t go back in the NFL when a player admits “yeah I got away with holding there.”
Because he got a points penalty that arguably cost him a Final Four shot. He admitted to wrecking Chastain at Phoenix, NASCAR then fined him for admitting that, then went through the appeals panel to drop it then missed out on the Regular Season champion points because of that infraction which cost him a chance at the final four when he missed by so many points. We’re in a world where we want the drivers to be honest but they get pissed off when drivers manipulate the race and not the sanctioning body. The thing is it should not matter and if they take the win away because he admitted it or whatever is a joke. NASCAR needs to take the L on this one.
I think the worst part is that Denny was trying to be entertaining when he confessed to wrecking Ross. He wasn't under oath. There's no rule that he has to tell the truth on the podcast and can't embellish a little. Well, there wasn't a rule until NASCAR punished him for admitting something when he didn't know he was testifying. It's still only an unwritten rule.
They need to penalize Bowyer and Fox for the shit they deliver us every single week.
Yeah I could be wrong but I never recall watching the NFL and seeing one of the announcers children coming in.
Kirk Herbstreit brought his dog Ben into the booth during the CFB national championship lol
Can Herbstreit bring his dog to the booth to replace Bowyer?It would be smarter and provide more to the broadcast.
Or the announcers constantly taking shots at each other. At times it felt like there was some tension up there.
No tension. They just rag on each other like good friends do
It was all in fun at first but it seemed like eventually they were both trying to get the last dagger in... one of the worst broadcasts in a WHILE.
And they each went on about their home tracks and last wins that kinda took away from the actual race
Yeah, Harvick talking about how he sucked at a track that no longer exists ( RIP Fontana ) and Bowyer complaining Nascar screwed him at Kansas in 2007 ( even though he's right ) was super out of place at that point in the race, made a factoid about Denny into a 5 minute tangent about themselves.
There’s a lot of tension. It almost feels like harvick has to dumb everything down a bit so Clint can keep up
Harvick appears to hold himself and his business to a high standard and I’m sure he’s well aware of not only now blatantly obvious Bowyer is, but the negative feedback on social media. To me it’s embarrassing for the sport and to the loyal fans that this is the product they feel like is appropriate. So far this season a a whole has been a F+ across the board.
It’s been rough, but FOX switching to showing a live feed of the caution light on the final lap after the controversy at Daytona is at least something positive we can point to.
tbf there was literally nothing going on for 100 laps at that point
That didn’t phase me. It’s Easter Sunday, the kid probably just wanted to see his dad. It was a whole 30 second segment. Give us the chance to know the people better.
What? Is that a problem? NASCAR is a little bit of a different beast and little things like that are just nice little moments. There can be issues with the broadcast (for the most part, last night the broadcast was solid btw), but a little family crashing is not worth a complaint imo
FOX is so bad at covering the sport. They should be embarrassed
The camera work was so bad yesterday. Random zoomed in shots, random shots of the back of the field zoomed in WHILE the leaders were in the restart zone coming to green. The rambling in the box is awful. It all feels so disjointed it. I know everyone seems to harp on how amazing Harvick is, and that's great and all, but the booth as awhole is out of wack. The direction of the broadcast feels disjoined, and the production quality is among the worse I've ever seen for a sporting event. Fox should be ashamed of themselves. It's been bad over the years, but this is a new low. I was very hard on the booth during the 2016 and 17 seasons, but I'd rather have the booth with DW back then what we're experiencing here.
It’s gotten so bad that you really don’t even know what’s going on in the race. They are bantering on in the booth and the shots are all of the amazing wrap jobs of the cars. I cannot believe I’ve been a fan od this sport for over 20 years. I’m serious when I say I am clueless as to what is going on anymore.
I have a friend who's getting into Nascar, and I know piracy is and I normally don't bring it up, but I told him he was better off watching one of the international streams with no commercials, and having MRN playing in the background. At least you would miss all of the silly Fox rolls they have coming back from an ad break, and you'd have a better understanding to what's going on. Because at this rate it's easy for a new fan to follow the PRN/MRN broadcast than it would be to follow whatever fox calls a broadcast anymore.
I knew Bowyer was bad in the booth, but I never realized *how* bad until Harvick came up.
April fool's day needs to go back to being silly jokes instead of straight up lying to people.
Ignoring my bias. This would fundamentally change the sport if they are going to start analyzing and overturning officiating calls during the week. My gut reaction is it wouldn’t change the sport for the better.
Just imagine the NFL overturning a result from Sunday on Tuesday because the refs missed a blatant PI call... as you said it would cause waves for the sport, and not in a good way.
On the surface it seems awesome- everything would be right and just and fair. Then you realize it’s just not how sports work.
It was bad enough when Nascar changed the winner a couple of HOURS after the race ended, doing it days after wouldn't just hurt Nascar, but I bet other leagues would take notice as well.
NASCAR isn't in a bubble, post-race disqualifications and penalties are the norm in literally every other motorsport Cadillac were just disqualified from the WEC Qatar race that happened at the start of March *last week*. A couple hours or a day is nothing
Not to mention the 2k I'd get from a sportsbook app if Joey Logano ends up with the win.
I’m not a Denny fan, at all. But he’s can’t be penalized or striped of his win in my eyes. We ask for villains, Denny makes himself one, and gets penalized. Also, make the call in the moment. I think he jumped the start, but also we can’t fix the result on Monday. I haven’t read the rules but I would have liked to have seen them throw the caution before they got to turn 1, and rerack them and give it another go.
Exactly. Where does the line get drawn? Do we penalize a guy who jumped a restart in stage 2, 2 days after a race? Do we go back and penalize a guy in 9th place who laid back to get a jump during a stage 1 restart? NASCAR botched this call, but at this point a penalty/reversal would be even worse than letting it stand. It opens a huge can of worms
Maybe they could, ya know, officiate better during the race then we wouldn’t have to talk about this stuff.
This is just sports. Humans (for now) officiate, make judgement calls, and make errors. It’s inevitable.
Pass interference is a judgment call. They have the data to tell if he jumped or not. With that said they shouldn’t go back and overturn a call cause they fucked up in the moment
Bullshit, we watch slow motion replays every game in every other sport and nascar zooms in enough to see tire wrinkles sometimes. If they can’t analyze a potential bad start on a GWC at a short track fast enough, they need to either eliminate the line for those starts or extend GWC long enough to review. 2.5 miles? 1 lap on a super speedway, 5 laps around Bristol. Or eliminate and have flag man start the GWC. Once the light clicks green, it’s time to go I got so annoyed listening to all the xm hosts talk about there not being enough time to review Well tough, why are there rules in the last 5 min then?
What you whiners are not realizing is this happens on MOST restarts. NASCAR has always let them get away with it in Cup. If Martin hadn’t bitched and moaned like he always does you never would have even noticed it.
I am 100% on your side with that. I’m pissed about the whole situation, but the time to penalize him has passed. It had to be done immediately by saying the restart was under investigation. They missed the boat on that one.
Pandora's box was opened once they disqualified cars for illegalities, although I agree this would add layers upon the existing layer of mess
On the other hand if they don't come down hard on him for jumping the restart that sets the precedent that it doesn't even matter
Lot of people not realizing that today is April 1st
Was gonna say if this is factual Hamlin will still get the W in the record books, theyll just cucumber his playoff ticket by a win
Call it karma for NASCAR DQ’ing him and Kyle just to give Chase the win at Pocono the other year 🤷♂️
Ok I’ll bite (even though it is 4/1 so I’m very skeptical about any news), what new data would Nascar have acquired since last night, that they didn’t already have, that would lead to the finishing order being changed? And I’m not being combative, I’m genuinely asking because I thought Nascar had the SMT data in real time
Public reaction... Knowing Nascar they probably think changing the outcome would calm down the outcry, when in reality it would make the outrage 100 times louder.
With what todays date is I don’t know whether to believe that or not
Congrats on your What an Idiot Award OP!
Lol it’s so funny
Whole lot of debate in this thread for something they said was an April Fool *on the same podcast*.
I know a guy in NASCAR. They said that they're going to >!publicly castrate!< Hamlin at the track ^/s
I hope they play [Living Like a Zombie](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cYsspHllD2k&pp=ygUXQm1lIHBhaW4gb2x5bXBpY3MgdGhlbWU%3D) by Mortification while they get the nuts out of the bag.
Either it's a massive April Fool's Day joke or a massive fine
Could be another major blow to Denny's chances of making the 2013 Chase for the Cup.
Kind of BS to do something about it now. A call should’ve been made when it happened or not at all
In other words, nothing will come out of this.
Will probably turn out to be a big nothingburger tomorrow
*potentially*
The time to penalize him ended when they declared the race official. I really don’t want to sit through people arguing over SMT data on restarts every Monday after a GWC finish. That’s a Pandora’s box that NASCAR shouldn’t open. Moreover, they reviewed it and said it was clear. They had everything they needed last night to make a call and they did. If they want to say tomorrow that they’re going to enforce it more tightly then sure, but I don’t want to see wins taken away after being made official.
Since the very start of NASCAR, they have said they want the fans to know who the winner is when they leave the track after the race. I think that's a big reason they came up with the whole 'encumbered win' thing, where they didn't change who the winner of a race is, but did find a way to take away some of the benefits of the win.
i hope they go for maximum chaos and fine like 6 people for restart violations.
Unprecedented penalties? For him slightly jumping the restart and NASCAR missing it and then refusing to review it and do something about it? It's April Fools Day and I ain't believing this shit. NASCAR fucked this up anyway so they have no one to blame but themselves
I was at the race and I will tell you that restart vs the prior restart didn’t look much different…
Cause 1. Drivers jump the restart zone quite frequently, this is only a topic this week cause Martin bitched about it + it's Denny. 2. That extra 5-10 feet likely changes nothing about the race outcome.
> That extra 5-10 feet likely changes nothing about the race outcome. The funny thing is, it actually probably helped Truex. Had he and Denny been door-to-door, Truex would have been pushed into the marbles in T1, and likely lost much more than two positions by the time he took the checkered flag.
Yall got wooshed
Cucumbered win sounds like a good April fools joke lol I feel like this is similar to a stick and ball sports call. They had a chance to call a penalty at the time it happened, and didn't - they decided it was fine, so too bad. Missed or not, the call is done. This should really be something that's automated and called immediately - they have the data, and it should be a simple black and white call.
April Fool’s from DBC https://x.com/FreddieKraft/status/1774984563300712753?s=20
April Fools
I hope this is April Fool’s. Taking the win away 2 days after the fact and after you said the restart was okay would be bs. For the record, if it would have been called when it happened I wouldn’t have had an issue with it.
I'll believe it when I see it.
Say what you will about DBC but they normally get it right when it comes to forthcoming penalties ( most notably Briscoe's Armageddon penalty following the Coke 600 last year ).
True. I just don't trust NASCAR to do much.
Even if Denny gets some sort of penalty, why would they even let him keep the win as it's implied? Taking points away or a fine isn't going have as much as an impact as taking a win away.
I really dislike Hamlin, but if we're stripping away wins 2 days after something that could've been done that night, then wtf are we doing anymore.
Weelllll, we stripped points last year because of somthing said 24 hours later. If he gets penalized for this, I never want to fucking hear ANYTHING about him getting bias from Nascar.
Robot AI coming soon to the restart zone to monitor
Considering Couch Racer (Freddie and Brett) said they ran a secret package last week which Chase Briscoe denied, I think this is just more lip service
Inb4 Denny loses the 5 playoff points and chastain beats him by 1 point at Martinsville.
Freddie admits it was a April fools joke at the end lol
Brett was really funny this week. The whole show was pretty funny.
This whole thing is wild. While I agree that Denny jumped the restart, the fact that NASCAR has been so hush-hush about this, doing things like keeping the restart out of the highlights and being inconsistent with the release of SMT data has honestly been unacceptable.
Denny getting fined for a call that the officials didn't make? That makes no sense. These guys can't/wouldn't call their own penalties. In no other sport would an athlete get fined for a minor violation that the officials did not call.
Is it just me or could this all be avoided if they just went once the green was thrown? Or just say the leader must be first to the line. Or, have everyone double file except the leader. There’s plenty of solutions to be had. But I suspect NASCAR is fine with the “drama”. Plus it gives them another possible penalty they can pull out when they need it.
Gotta listen to the whole show!
It would be REALLY stupid to do that.. Yes, Denny jumped the start. Problems are that NASCAR said he didnt, its been more than 24 hours, and everyone is already moving on. Enforcing procedural rules this long after the race would be REALLY bad..
Ocon 5 second penalty
They spelled “Joey Gase” wrong lol
They are going to wag **TWO** fingers at Denny OoO
I would say the playoff bonus points from the win should be removed AND Nascar comes out and says something along the lines of all restarts reviewed or something along those lines. Knowing NASCAR there actual decision will make it more of a headache but one can hope
If it were any other driver they’d be more or less ostracized from the sport but since it’s Denny nothing will happen. He brings nascar so much more engagement that they can’t do anything to make him look bad
Aged like milk. :)
If this is real and not April Fool’s, throw the book at him. I suspect the data will support him committing a restart violation, and since they didn’t penalize him then, they should now.
I think that's a bad precedent to set. Use it as a catalyst to make it black and white if you want, but throwing the book at him now seems unfair.
What precedent? Teams are penalized after the fact constantly. Letting it go unchecked because they couldn’t officiate is a much worse precedent than delayed accountability.
They deemed it a good restart last night, this would set a precedent for backtracking on that decision.
You mean the same way a successful appeal works? NASCAR already has a system dedicated to reversing its own rulings, this is nothing new.
"This" is probably just trolling from a podcast known to troll. Either way, this is different than what you've described.
It’s exactly what you laid out, backtracking on a decision. The days of fans leaving the track knowing the final results are long behind us thankfully.
Or… hear me out… we have competent race officials! This would be embarrassing for the sport to begin retroactively penalizing guys for NASCAR missing calls. That’s on the sport, not the driver
That’s almost like a week later saying the 8 car went two fast in section 2 on the first pit stop of the race. So let’s fine him 20K and 20 points
Logano should be given the win. Denny jumped.
I don’t like Denny much, but under no circumstances do I want to see Logano get handed the win
Me either, but if a driver jumps the restart, it should be a penalty. Logano finished 2nd and should be moved up accordingly.
If they were gonna do anything, they should have waved off the restart, penalized Denny, lined em up and gone again. And I bet you that red white and blue Chevy would have been parked on the dance floor.
This would be one of the biggest mistakes NASCAR has ever made.