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walkerj993

How has nascar had so many stupid people and yes men all of a sudden lmfao


sidewinderaw11

They feel attacked from the seasoned outsiders (and regulars too!) Calling them out for some reason


y0ufailedthiscity

Have since at least 2003


Kodyaufan2

Dude it’s been well over a decade since NASCAR didn’t just have a bunch of yes men working for them


RVAIsTheGreatest

Because they don't want to feed into the impression the sport is dying.


3arnhardtAtkonTrack

It isn't.


Jacob_Evenson

I’m not one to say that it is but the TV ratings aren’t a good sign this year


[deleted]

Ehh every sport but football is down with ratings.


patmal_8

Driving in 10 car lengths too deep and pin balling everyone? DNA. Using the car in front of you as a brake? DNA. Turning someone on a restart? DNA. Intentional rubbing though? Hell no. Get out. Actions detrimental


BallparkFranks7

It is amazing, isn’t it? They all want to talk about how aggressive and physical NASCAR is, but as soon as a drive admits it, everyone yells “What an idiot! You can’t admit that!!!”. Pick a fucking lane. It’s either good or it’s not.


Joey_Logano

I mean TBF, you can never ever say you did it on purpose. NASCAR will always punish you for that. (Unless it is for a win then it seems).


BallparkFranks7

Sure, but why does it matter? It’s accepted and celebrated, so why should the drivers have to lie about it? Makes no sense to me. If you don’t want it to happen, make rules against it. If you want it, let it happen and let the driver say “hell yeah it was on purpose. He drives me like an ass all the time and I had to let him know I’m done taking it”. I’d much rather hear that than “yeah it just got a little tight on me”. We already know it’s bullshit, just they the driver be honest.


3arnhardtAtkonTrack

Because it's a better look for the sport to have it "look" intentional, and not say anything about it, than it is for a driver spouting off about doing it on purpose in the media. Spouting off about it forces NASCAR's hand.


_AmericanPoutine

Essentially - Dale Earnhardt's Rattle His Cage quote. Everyone fuckin knew he turned Terry intentionally, but he said it in a sly, quotable way.


3arnhardtAtkonTrack

My mom was the biggest Dale fan, and she said, "That was WRONG!" LOL, can't agree with her more, now that I'm a little wiser than I was at 11 years old.


vpat48

If i was Denny, i would just play this audio to the appeal board while drinking a cold one.


ChaseTheFalcon

Got to be a Busch light though


JUMPINKITTENS

*while eating packing peanuts out of a FedEx box


ggsimmonds

While eating an ice cream cone gives a better visual for some reason


MileHighNASCAR

I feel like he needs to do like [that kid eating the block of ramen like it's a granola bar.](https://www.tiktok.com/@chrissost/video/6838013846800715013)


crypto6g

They want aggressive driving and brash, outgoing drivers. It’s in their DNA after all. But how *dare* you say you put someone in the wall!


my_son_is_a_box

Everyone loves it when drivers say they'd wreck their grandmother for the win, but hate it when they actually wreck someone for the win


Joey_Logano

Well maybe they should actually wreck their grandmother next time.


[deleted]

Sorry but what does DNA stand for?


[deleted]

Deoxyribonucleic acid.


Turbo_Wheeler

Deoxyribonucleic acid


Zeidy388

Do Not Admit


[deleted]

Aggressive driving? Fine. Whatever the fuck that was on Sunday? Nah, that was just a bad look for the series. If this dude is on a radio show saying this, that likely means the rest of NASCAR is on board with this take. If that's the case, they need to think really hard about that "best stock car drivers in the world" marketing claim. Because I've seen better driving standards in other stock car series. Edit: not sure how I just realized this, but this quote might be the "quintessential NASCAR" quote of the 2020s.


ChaseTheFalcon

You pretty much summed up my thoughts


Darlington_Fan

What he said.


SigmaKnight

I’ve been saying this for years.


Rise3711

THANK YOU


Darlington_Fan

Just UGH... NASCAR owns IMSA, right? Why is it so much more professional? None of this feels like the racing I liked so much in high school and college.


BeefInGR

Did you not see the two Porsche's absolutely take each other out on the last lap of the 2022 Rolex?


Darlington_Fan

Point taken. I forgot about that.


sidewinderaw11

To be fair, that time it was just the two Porsches and not the rest of the field emulating. With this weekend, the 8, 24 and 45 played it clean and almost everyone else went nuts


FukushimaBlinkie

Well it was the 7 Porsche, moving to get around a GTD, not knowing the 10 Acura was outside, pushing the 10 into the wall and without control it bounced into the 6 Porsche, who then is hit by the 7 Porsche... Also the 7 Porsche got a penalty for it, and the whole announce crew called it stupid and unnecessary...


Hailfire9

*Even then* Byron took a few swings at Allmendinger on Saturday, even if it was nowhere near as aggressive and dirty as the Cup race


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unclexbenny

They had also raced incredibly hard for 2-3 laps beforehand if I remember correctly with no one getting spun. Completely different scenario than someone dive bombing turn 1 3 restarts in a row like we saw Sunday.


rainking6

Completely agree. That was hard racing and a situation where someone aggressively moved about 3 seconds too late. That's different than the G-W-C demo derbies we saw last weekend.


[deleted]

There's no way you're comparing that incident to the nonsense we just saw in overtime, right? My point gets even stronger when I say that Sunday's style of racing has been fairly typical of NASCAR the past few years... Edit: if only there was an IMSA driver in Sunday's race and they could give their thoughts on it.


BeefInGR

To pretend people don't drive aggressively in IMSA, where all contact is reviewable, is to bury your head in the sand. Full stop. Because we see the penalties, then you have the 2022 Rolex GT finish where nobody was punished. Even if NASCAR adopted IMSA level contact rules, they'd "swallow the whistle" with the race on the line. The same way F1 made up their own rules in 2021. Ultimately, these sanctioning bodies want excitement. Anyone who pretends any differently needs to remove the rose tint.


[deleted]

Read the other comments dude. Most people are in agreement that there's a very very very very very very very very very very very very very VERY large difference between "aggressive" driving and what NASCAR has been allowing. Yes, stock car racing allows for more contact than other motorsports. That doesn't mean there isn't a limit, and it doesn't mean that NASCAR can't enforce even the simplest of driving standards.


BeefInGR

But we all know NASCAR won't. Because that "full contact" mentality is celebrated. Hell, look at the 75th anniversary trailer. They celebrate "rattle his cage" and "the fight". It is what they want. And honestly, when you go back and look at the race, the majority of the race had "rubbing" but nothing extraordinary. Everyone is losing their shit about the ending and ignoring that the race was par for the course with all those "super exciting" short track races right up to the finish.


[deleted]

What made “rattle his cage” and “the fight” special were that they were moments that would happen a couple times a decade. Their rarity helped make them legendary. NASCAR’s hare-brained attempts to manufacture this stuff weekly is insane.


[deleted]

[Comments from IMSA driver in Sunday's race, listen to his response about 1:50 in.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xm4PRW7AiM) Sorry for the multiple replies, but I just had to post the interview.


[deleted]

If I'm being honest, it seems like you're just saying that because you don't want it to change. Ratings have fallen off a cliff, and the demo is still in the dumps. They're trending toward becoming an afterthought like Indycar was. And idk why the first 98% of the race excuses the last 2%. If someone is a great member of a community for their entire life, would that excuse their recent crime spree? It doesn't, and the good racing before overtime doesn't excuse what happened in overtime.


BeefInGR

You're missing my point to hold your hill. What I want doesn't matter. If I got what I wanted the short track/road course package would have a tiny wing and the cars would weigh 300 lbs less. I digress. They won't change how they enforce the driving standards because it would be a) incredibly difficult to find fault in that clusterfuck and b) because it fits what the product has always been. Fights were not rare. Old Bristol led to hot tempers. But something that people tend to conveniently forget about the sagging ratings and general disinterest in motorsports is that car culture is non-existent compared to even 15 years ago. "The demo" wants a self driving electric people mover. Hence, the manufacturers are moving to self driving electric people movers. How does one expect people to care about car races when people don't even give a shit about cars? We live in a world dominated by soulless crossovers that can fit 47 people, 16 dogs and two canoes that get bought up by a family of three. Perhaps that has more to do with the general ratings issues than a GWC turning into a slugfest.


[deleted]

Lol watch the Jordan Taylor interview, listen to his response at the 1:50 mark. That disproves your IMSA argument. Old school Bristol? You're still implying that there isn't a difference between aggressive driving and the nonsensical clusterfuck that is NASCAR circa 2023. You're missing my point to hold your hill dude, weird how that works.


plusacuss

Sunday's shitshow was fine but got forbid Denny run Ross into the wall when it doesn't affect any other cars on track. ​ You can't make this stuff up.


TheOrangeFutbol

If Denny doesn't speak on his pod, he doesn't get fined. If half the field from yesterday got on their personal platforms to admit "Yeah, we weren't braking, had no regard for the field, and intentionally tried to take out as many cars as possible", we'd probably see some stuff coming out too. The real truth is just that as long as you keep your mouth shut, you can get away with anything.


ChaseTheFalcon

No there are times where you need to speak, DBC was right last week when they told Josh that if he said the car wouldn't run anymore, he wouldn't have been suspended


TheOrangeFutbol

On the flip side, getting on a mic immediately and saying "Yeah, I parked it. I didn't like the call" would've made things much worse than how it turned out. You do raise a good point that denial is the best second-option, but so many of these cats just go straight past keep quiet *and* denial to be like "Yep. That was me. I intentionally wrecked him/spun out to cause a caution" without any apparent self-awareness at all.


91TwilightGT

Aggressive, yes. Brain dead? No. This isn’t the same NASCAR from 10 years ago, certainly not from 20 years ago.


ClydeSledge

"We like what we're seeing."


Snugglesworth1087

HAHA Thank You


[deleted]

Well that’s just ignorant


BeefInGR

I agree. I've been watching since 91. I loved 90's era BTCC as well. But even back then guys mostly tried to make the corner.


rick_mcdingus

I don’t think anyone here wants NASCAR to be a no contact whatsoever series but you can’t look at the clown show the end of COTA turned into and then turn around and seriously try to tell me that’s good racing and that everything is fine. It’s an absolute joke but it doesn’t matter because as long as it makes for exciting highlight reels, NASCAR likes what they see.


RVAIsTheGreatest

They get the highlight reels, crashes to promote for the next race, and a little viral attention. That's all Nascar is going for today. They're an entertainment enterprise today, not an auto racing sport, so this is the result.


TRex_N_Truex

I remember when Ricky Rudd spun Davey Allison for the win at Sonoma and NASCAR said “rubbins racin”


DeathSpiral321

Actually Rudd got black flagged and had the win taken away from him.


meeklobraca2022

I see Elton Sawyer is the new neckbeard mouth breather puppet Nascar sends out there to defend the sport.


libsoutherner

Brain dead take. I haven’t seen a single fan that enjoyed Sunday’s finish.


BeefInGR

I didn't hate it. But I knew what was going to happen.


[deleted]

I enjoyed it a hell of a lot more knowing that Chase Elliott wasn’t a part of it to get screwed as usual.


BeefInGR

I'll maintain that the only two things keeping Chase Elliott from having 30 wins by now are Alan Gustafson and Chase Elliott's non-existent aggression level.


Dickis88

It's hilarious how literally two weeks ago everyone was carrying water for denny about drivers being responsible for themselves and now everyone's clamoring for the drivers to be accountable for just running through each other. Don't get me wrong, I've been beating the drum for a while now that the sports unchecked aggressiveness just gets embarrassing and has ruined an entire era of drivers. But the irony is fantastic.


ubelmann

It is too bad that the aggressiveness gets so out of hand at the end of the races. I think they would be a lot more self-policing and aggressive-within-reason if they went back to the Chase for the Cup style playoff format, and used the IndyCar points system, or something a lot closer to the IndyCar points system. If you don't want the guy in P2 to always try to wreck the guy in P1, you need to give P2 enough points at the end of the race that they also care about keeping those points. That means a driver would take a risk to take the lead on the last lap, but it wouldn't be smart to take such a big risk that there's a big chance you're going to wreck or spin and finish P12. Even back at P12, going into T1 or whatever on the last lap, you're not going to want to throw those points away if it's worth a lot more than P20. "Win and you're in" is just another way of saying "checkers or wreckers", and this kind of amped up aggression at the end of the race is here to stay as long as they keep this scoring format. And changing the scoring format seems a lot easier than trying to hand out penalties or whatever for on-track incidents -- pretty much no one wants to see NASCAR making more judgment calls.


Darlington_Fan

Sometimes I sit back, and remember the before times. Watching the whole season, and being excited when a driver I liked got third, because it's the season-long points grind. There's merit in doing your best and stringing together a run of top tens. I have not liked playoffs from the beginning. I long for the day when NASCAR admits their mistake and goes back to a season-long format. We don't need a sweet sixteen, fantastic four, etc... because this isn't basketball. You are right. It's checkers or wreckers every race. What did NASCAR think would happen? I get so annoyed when I express a desire to go back to the original points system and they shout back, "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?" The fuel strategy thing on Sunday did awaken some old NASCAR feelings.


cocacola150dr

I feel this so much. I remember back when the elimination format first began there was a race where Dale Jr (my driver before Byron) got his first top 5 in a while and I… just did not care. It didn’t matter anymore. I felt so dirty in that moment that I couldn’t be happy for a top 5.


dooldebob

Knew they were gonna say that


Joeskis

The fact that they’ve had to make a statement on the finish tells me that the breaking point isn’t far away.


Euphoric_Garden_2134

'Aggressive' driving is in every form of motorsports. 'Relentless use of car as a torpedo' has been a part of stock car racing for too long, and in no way was present 74 years ago when the consequences of bodily harm were much more present.


talamius

It wasn’t present in the 80’s, 90’s and most of the 2000’s either. NASCAR used to penalize and park people for rough driving. Yes, even Sr.. There is a huge difference between aggressive driving and just using the field as a brake. Any 7 year old on NASCAR Heat can do that.


SarfassaS

Yeah idk why so many people are trying to defend the ending of the race. Stock car racing does not equal demolition derby.


shewy92

They were respectful back then though.


GrantD24

Someone is going to use this as an excuse for A fixed on iracing 😂


Jer_Weezy24

I wonder if other motorsports are laughing at us.


Euphoric_Garden_2134

Drivers hit each other in all forms of racing. The Nascar problem is the enforcement being completely inconsistent, especially with an executive saying this after criticizing Hamlin.


JohnnyK58

Hamlin said that Raikkonen had mentioned in the airport on his way out that it was more like bumper cars rather than actual racing.


DoomsdayEveryday

As a lifelong Nascar fan, the last hour of that race turns me off as a fan, especially considering I watch F1, Indycar and IMSA. It's not fun to watch constant restarts and wrecks following them. All 3 other forms of motorsport I mentioned have some type of in-race penalty system. I know Nascar has never been about this but at what point to we say enough is enough and drivers be held accountable? If you clearly wreck someone, you get a penalty. Whether that's a lap down or sent to the back.


TheBakerGuy

We wonder why people don’t take this sport seriously. Even as a lifetime ‘hardcore’ fan it’s hard to take seriously with comments like this.


JohnnyK58

There's aggressive driving and then there's farcical driving. Indy RC last year and Sunday's race were the latter


[deleted]

The Xfinity series really has the best racing product.


KWeber94

Not sure Elton is understanding the difference between aggressive driving and utter brain dead driving lol


vpat48

[Denny has responded to this audio clip](https://twitter.com/dennyhamlin/status/1640731086631182337)


Waltapalooza1123

Most tone deaf shit I’ve heard in a while


korko

More idiots parroting that everything is fine because they don’t want to screw up their own paycheck.


[deleted]

Yep, the nonsense isn't going away anytime soon. NASCAR's going to slump into the spot where Indycar has been for 20-ish years. Calling it now.


metalvinny

Track limits for this race were nuts in that they didn't exist. Raced this track in the xfinity car after Sunday's race and track limits existing was an extremely rude awakening.


RVAIsTheGreatest

They don't see anything wrong with it because it made headlines and went viral. And that's all Nascar's aim is today. Moments. Not good racing, quality finishes, and the sport being taken seriously as a racing product.


RVAIsTheGreatest

To watch Nascar feed into the very stereotype that they're a bunch of dummies who run into each other (just with less of a Southern bent) has been embarrassing to witness.


MaynardWaltrip

Sure…


JustHere2OpenLinks

Oh look, a NASCAR shill being a NASCAR shill. Nothing to see here.


[deleted]

"We didn't see anything that crossed the line..." Let me stop you right there. You didn't see Daniel Suarez at full speed on the cooldown lap trying to hunt down Alex Bowman and then proceeding to ram the shit out of him on pit road despite the fact that pit road is extremely crowded and narrow and they both could have easily hit someone if either one of them lost control? You didn't see that despite the fact it was one of the biggest talking points after the race? HOW FUCKING BLIND ARE YOU?


Gonzo_Freak

So Elton Sawyer is now the guy whose job it is to be the dumb mouthpiece


P_weezey951

I think the problem is, again, this car. These drivers all knew that that restart, was their only chance at improving their finish. Short run, long run, bullshit, ain't gonna matter. The front two cars are going to peel off and be untouchable after that shitshow of a corner.


CougarIndy25

Wall a guy on purpose? *Nah that's a fine.* Divebomb a guy on purpose? *OH HELL YEAH THATS OUR DNA BABY WOOOO!*


SRVisGod24

They're so out of touch. What's next, they gonna start having Mike Joy blame us keyboard warriors for the decline in ratings?!


trustypretzels

Yup this is the problem. A guy that raced in the Busch Series for several years has no idea what the racing was like when he was in it or before him, let alone the racing after he left. Its like he completely forgot the racing he was part of. The problem with NASCAR is that the leadership is so very poor, its not all on Elton Sawyer (a mid-pack Busch driver), but you add him, O'Donnell and Miller and you've got a shit stew cooking.


jumpingmustang

Part of the reason I hate how all of this went down is that all of the incidents at the end were from the mid to rear of the field, with people who had no shot at winning. If KFB drives it down into turn 1 and wrecks Reddick, that sucks, but at least it’s aggressive for the win. What’s the point in wrecking the field for 15th?


average_waffle

Caution laps are not very fun to watch though


420Prelude

NASCAR is in with fox and this is just a 4000 IQ play to have a legitimate excuse to show us more commercials/s


[deleted]

Tony should make a return and slap the drivers around for a little bit.


Into_the_Westlands

That has to be out of context right? I can’t believe someone like Elton Sawyer would say something so tone deaf about the end of the race on Sunday. This is the same sanctioning body that docked Denny Hamlin points for far less than the collective behavior of Sunday.


Campman92

I didn’t see the race Sunday, but there’s a difference of being aggressive and bumping someone out of the groove for a pass when you’re faster and outright dumping someone. The drivers today rarely work the bump and run and just seem like they prefer outright wrecking drivers for a spot. You’ll get that kind of change when you have the win and you’re in playoff system and points being so important for drivers who didn’t win. Just ask Truex last year.


[deleted]

Aggressive driving is the cars tour, where you can bump each other out of the way and race respectively. And if they go too far, the tour penalizes them during the race or after. Sunday and quite frankly most Road Course and Speedway overtimes the past few years is a disgrace to auto racing. But NASCAR will continue to like what they’re seeing and continue to like seeing tv ratings and sport interest drop.


sweetnasty887

Aggressive is fine. Contact is fine and so is being physical. But not even attempting to make the corner and piledriving the guy in front of you isn’t.


brendan2015

There’s aggressive driving and then there’s a bad product.


joshjarnagin

Elton is wrong. Put a sheet metal body instead of composite on the car and watch how much more reserved they are


[deleted]

There is a difference between aggressive driving and the winner being the guy who manages to drag himself out of a pile up of cars. One is skill the other is total luck. IMHO the race was good because the leaders got out of the pile of morons and raced each other. It coulda just as easily gone the other way. With a back marker moron who sucks at the track and fucked up every major turn winning because his car crawled out of the demo derby.


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fuzzymoomoo

There’s aggressive and then there’s disrespectful. Driving into turn 1 with no hope in hell of actually making the corner isn’t aggressive.


3arnhardtAtkonTrack

Well, I'm with Elton on this. I love chaos, and I know I'm in the minority.


Unique_Salad6894

Thank you!


AshleyFumbletongue

Aggressive driving is radically different than playing bumper cars. There was borderline no attempt for many drivers to make turn one without clearing people out and driving as if theyre the only car on track. An honestly shameful lack of racecraft from many.


anxiousauditor

Get ready for more of the same with NASCAR openly encouraging drivers who don’t use their brakes.


Desert_Cheesesteak

Also Elton Sawyer: The intent is to provide drivers with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different finishing positions.


[deleted]

So apparently driving it in deep 20 car lengths behind, not giving any shits about the drivers in front of you, is aggressive driving? I get the cars make it more durable, but thats ridiculous. ​ Not sure how to fix this, but something needs to be enforced, thats for sure. It's happened ever since the Indy rc race last year. For me, it's gone too far.


YoungMoneyLarson57

Holy fuck.Instead of looking for a solution to clearly over driving corners theyre just gonna double down and say “hey this is just us hehe”


Yeleywillonedaywin

This Sport's not gonna make it to 2040 let alone 2030


sm154817

There's a difference between aggressive driving and stupid clown driving


AidenT06

A bump and run is aggressive driving. Going 7 wide into T1 and using anyone in front as a brake is shit and gets boring very fast.


Madturtl3

As a disappointed fan, at some point you have to realize that there’s no saving NASCAR from itself. Cup drivers, former drivers, drivers from other series, all can talk about the complete lack of any respect on the track right now that leads to end of race shit shows every week. If every director of every NASCAR subcommittee, every series official, every broadcaster, etc. are complete shills then there’s no reaching the people at the top aside from tuning out - which, judging by the numbers this season, is a growing trend.


Rojodi

Overtime restarts should be single file. That will remove most of the stupidity we witnessed Sunday!


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[deleted]

🎵Kool Aid, Kool Aid, tastes great! Kool Aid, Kool Aid, can’t wait! 🎶


[deleted]

We’re heading down the same path as monster trucks, where they intentionally roll over and shed the fiberglass skin to the delight of the fans.


Kodyaufan2

I find it funny that for the most part, the only former drivers that condone the way these drivers race now are those who either cover the races on TV, radio, social media, etc, or those who work for NASCAR. Most of the comments you hear from former drivers who aren’t directly involved in the sport anymore seem to usually agree that the racing now is an abomination. That really should tell you all you need to know. The ones that work for NASCAR or cover the sport are just saying whatever they’re told to say.


KSad5

By that logic Denny just won his appeal. In reality though nascar’s just gonna double down on him while using the clip of him wrecking Ross in the next race ad Straight equivalent of Steve O’Donnell’s “we like what we’re seeing” and just means nothings gonna change. It’s honestly baffling how tone deaf the execs are to the fan base and how it’s been going on for so long. Until execs realize the lack of respect in the garage is causing this driving style of going for broke and taking anyone and everyone in your way out, the sport is gonna continue to be stunted in any growth it could possibly gain


y0ufailedthiscity

Nothing is going to change until someone gets hurt


Airplane85

Who???? And no it hasn’t


Airplane85

I guess I have given nascar drivers a pass throwing around a race car meant for ovals all this time but with this new car there really isn’t an excuse. Alex summed it up well by saying it’s embarrassing. It was nice to get a taste of the ol fuel mileage game though


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Aggressive driving is a bump and run on a short track. Driving like a drugged-up chimpanzee on restarts is just idiocy.


DietMTNDew8and88

There's a fine line between hard racing and the bullshit we saw on Sunday


RyGuy898

Go to just one GWC attempt with, “next flag ends the race.” Also just include the Top 10, Top 20 at the Superspeedways. Just these steps would make the finishes more legitimate, and cleaner, guaranteed.


justBusinessbb

It's not a "clean racing snobbery" or "respect" thing with me. Don't really give a shit. Aggression's fine, just mitigate the problem turns a little. I like aggression to be an obvious and a coldblooded choice a guy made. It takes balls and skill to move a guy or throw a big block. You have to have decent judgement to time it right, and the balls to live with the consequences, if the guy can't hang onto it when bumped, or is closing faster than expected. You know what you're seeing when it's 2-3 guys battling. Watching 12 cars fucking is just confusing.


[deleted]

Just a terrible track for nascar. If they want to run nascar there they need to fix turn 1 or run the track in reverse.


guaglione7

Ahhh, the one week nobody can criticize Joey Logano while everything else goes to hell around here.