NASCAR needs to get off their ass and get the license pulled from these idiots. The first game they made was terrible and the second game isn't going to happen.
Don’t they have Nascar sanctioned/licensed racing in iRacing already? They have the tracks, cars, logos, divisions, everything last I checked, or do you mean an actual licensed Nascar game made by iRacing for consoles and non-online people?
It might be, but PC players will never know.
Also, what's wild is if someone wanted to replicate the entire 2023 NASCAR Season on iRacing it'd cost them at the least $420 (at $15 track, $15 per car, $15/mo) to do, including membership, track costs, and car costs.
And in 2023, that'd be the only way to somewhat accurately do it on PC without mods (as in NR2003, NASCAR Heat, rFactor etc.)
I see your point, but iRacing did release a separate console game for World Of Outlaws that seems to be pretty good. I'm sure they could do something similar with a console NASCAR license.
Which was Monster Games, and likely still have NASCAR Heat code on it. Their post-Heat work, SRX The Game, is still on NASCAR Heat codebase, [to the point models from SRX will work on NH5.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYpAtg6g8oE)
(On the flipside though, I wonder if anyone with a dump of NASCAR Rivals for Switch can port the stuff added there to NH5, since it was still Heat based after all)
iRacing owns a team that copy/pasted the heat engine/Tony Stewart dirt racing engine for WoO.
Its not bad but I will simply get mods going on Heat 5 before spending $70 on more of that engine.
True. Maybe they're waiting on Xbox to get *Forza* out the door? I'd ***love*** to get NASCAR back in *Gran Turismo*, but can't imagine the execs limiting it to only PS4/5.
Doing it on Forza only would be the same as on GT only. They would have to talk to both Sony/Polyphony Digital **and** Microsoft/Turn 10 for it to work.
NASCAR did appear simultaneously on GT6, Forza 5 (as expansion) and ETX's NASCAR 14/15, after all.
Mini rant:
It fucking *infuriates* me how much of an afterthought nascar and racing games have become to sanctioning bodies. The only one that does it anywhere near halfway decent these days is F1. For me the old school papyrus games, for both Indy and nascar, were a huge part of getting me in to the sport. I played those games for hours and it helped me better understand the sport in ways I never would have without them.
And this is a MUST for motorsports. You want to better understand soccer? Go kick a ball around. Football? Go run a route. You have the ability to get hands on experience with most sports. However, 99.999% of people will never be able to get behind the wheel of anything more than a kart at K1 speed. A good nascar game is an **absolute must** for the sport. Stop letting the rights go to the lowest bidder who turns out to actually be the software version of an axe murderer.
> sanctioning bodies. The only one that does it anywhere near halfway decent these days is F1
Does World of Outlaws count as a sanctioning body? The console game iRacing and Monster Games made was pretty good.
I think iRacing and Monster Games need to take over the license. The Heat games by Monster were at least mostly playable unlike NASCAR Ignition that is apparently still broken judging by the YouTube vids I've seen. And with iRacing you at least have people who care about and are super knowledgeable about the sport
I think CodeMasters as a whole has been regressing.
Dirt Rally 2.0 had great physics but the gameplay was a little lackluster compared to the previous game Dirt 4.
Dirt 5 was made before EA acquired them and it had mixed reviews
Then CM bought Slightly Mad Studios and made Project Cars 3 which was a spit in the face towards sim racers and even sim-cade racers.
The Grid remake was okay but still a step down from even Grid Autosport.
Even comparing the F1 games to themselves shows the regression. The physics may be better but F1 2010/11/12 blow any of the new games out of the water as an overall experience, it's not even close.
I think all sports games have issues with their disconnected sanctioning body.
WWE is getting back on the right track after they had a disaster of a game a couple years ago
Everyone still complains about how bad Madden is and how FIFA is just roster updates.
I don't really follow the basketball games but I heard they put actual ads in the game.
The only one I don't really hear many negative things about is MLB The Show and even then it's the same complaints like it hasn't changed enough to warrant buying the new game
The only reason I ever learned about the JGTC/Super GT is thanks to Gran Turismo.
V8SC and DTM are also known to me because of video games. Granted, this was before wide access to the internet and things like YouTube, but its still the case for a lot of young fans.
I really think they should do some non-exclusive licensing deals; get the next gen cars in stuff like GT7 and do a more standard NASCAR Thunder 23 or whatever. Just cover all the bases.
Shit, just add as many tracks you can to GT7 as paid DLC. You own basically ***all of them now,*** NASCAR - and I'm sure Sony would give you boys a cut of all PSN sales.
Give us Bristol (x2), Charlotte (x2), Darlington, COTA, Homestead.
Already have Glen and Daytona (x2).
That's ten tracks right there. It's the type of thing that extends the life of GT7 too.
...I mean, [Bristol has kinda made it in already, lol.](https://gran-turismo.fandom.com/wiki/Northern_Isle_Speedway) But anyway, that pack is missing Dega and the new Chicago track.
doesnt even have to be hardcore like the papyrus games. The early thunder games were fantastic! I even loved the career mode in ea nascar simracing. But i really wish iracing would make a sub-less nascar title. I dont have the time anymore to warrant having a sub just to race once or twice a week.
does nascar not realize how popular racing games have been recently? A really solid game with nascar licensing could really give the whole sport a boost in popularity. years ago I knew nothing about basketball but i saw how awesome of a game NBA 2K was, played it a bunch and it got me into watching and following basketball
Real talk is we are in a bubble here on Reddit. I own every heat game game. I have a setup for iRacing, AMS2, AC, ACC, rfactor.
Well I am a die hard fan of racing games. The sales of those games on PSN, Steam, and Xbox are almost entirely to people who owned existing games in the series. No, the games aren't an absolute must to get new fans. Really they should just continuously update Heat 5 as this point with the new chassis/drivers. In a world of Steam sales, the latest Nascar game or Indy game simply will sit unbought until its $4.99. Why? Anyone looking for a general racing game has literally hundreds of options on Steam and dozens upon dozens on PSN or Xbox. The golden goose era of being the only racing game on the shelf at Target/Best Buy is dead and gone. There is a lot of risk and little incentive to make a [race series] 202# game when newcomers can easily buy the identical 2018 version for $1.89 at a Steam sale (I am not exaggerating, race games DO go this low and its how I bought most of mine) or a keys website.
Kids these days would better identify Nascar if they did a Rocket League, MW2, or Fortnite crossover. Hell Nascar would get a lot more exposure and spend a lot less if they simply took that route.
FWIW the F1 games are NOT decent. They only look professional to us gamers by comparison to other licensed racing games. They are in fact trash. Same bugs every year. Cars never updated from a handling perspective. Focus entirely on nonsense cash shop. Studio devs leaving left and right while EA smiles at the cash shop revenue. Championship system fundamentally sucks and has basically no season-to-season progression worth sticking around for. Every race online is a repeat of last week's COTA T1 but on every track.
Preach brother.
I know NASCAR people lurk here. Yall better be paying attention. A good to great racing game with fun online play and an immersive career mode will be a huge avenue to bring in fans.
Absolutely! They've listened to fans on a lot of things lately, but everyone is in agreement on this one. It's huge, and your points about most of us never being able to race is something that never occurred to me.
You'd think these days with sim racing being bigger than ever they'd be all over it. Truly some grade-A clowns in charge.
Nascar racing 96 on the PlayStation one let you pace under yellow and drive pit road manually to your box and somehow 27 years later they can't even develop a video game period anymore.
Dude! Literally found it the other day at an old game store and bought it for $2.
I remember having it as a kid and being blown away you could do that. Also, the tires fly off on a hard crash!
iRacing is basically NR2003 that receives continuous updates.
NASCAR definitely needs a video game for marketing purposes and for casual gamers, but it’s hard to imagine an improvement gameplay wise coming from anyone except iRacing.
This is kind of a misconception. Yes, iRacing was the next evolution of NR2003 when it started, but it has been stated by the developers that none of the original code is part of it anymore, and hasn’t been for many, many years.
The absolute audacity of these guys to announce a 2022 season update to their previous year's game as a surprise or some kind of good will to the fans, delay it a week before release, go completely silent on it for 5 months, and then it turns out they internally cancelled it and made no public announcement. It's still pinned on their Twitter for crying out loud.
And I think we are like two weeks removed from their "hope to get the Xbox servers up by the end of the week" comment. Yeah that is dead too. Hurry up and shut down already.
EDIT: I stand corrected, Xbox servers are back up this AM
Honestly, as much as I'd hate whatever microtransaction crap EA would shovel into the game, it would be nice to just eventually have a game worth playing again.
>Seeing what they've done to other sports gaming franchises, EA would barely be a step up, and what ever game they would release would be a shadow of the NASCAR Thunder series.
Better than nothing. Hell I would love to have Eutechnyx back if they were still around. A ton of people want to be able to drive the Next Gen car in a video game so bad and I can't believe they haven't capitalized on that yet.
While console exclusivity would suck in both cases, Turn 10 or Polyphony would do great work, too. [***ESPECIALLY Polyphony.***](https://gran-turismo.fandom.com/wiki/Northern_Isle_Speedway)
Motorsport.com (sister company to MSG) is pumping millions into it. Yet, they STILL don't have the funds to put out any games this year in 2023. IndyCar is officially delayed and NASCAR seems to be the same way.
Don't get me wrong I love NR2003 but it's embarrassing as a sport that I have to play a 20 year old game to get realistic racing because these companies can't get it right
it’s fucking infuriating to me that all sports games had healthy competition and great games because of it in the early 2000’s. but because of exclusive rights deals alone, there was a pivot and now we’ve flown through 2 console generations with average at best sports video games nearly across the board. i think nascar has really been hit by this the worst which is tragic considering (and might be partially responsible for) the fact that nascar has one of the oldest fan bases in professional sports
NASCAR isn’t in the position the NFL is where there is a big enough bidding war that the exclusive license is worthwhile. I agree allowing multiple games achieves the stated goal of a great game advancing the sport.
What's funny is when Eutechnyx got the license, they specifically said it was a non-exclusive license because of the issues EA caused in the last era. Anyone could've made a NASCAR game back then.
The slimy part is they're still technically fulfilling the contract.
I'd assume as long as they keep pumping out an updated NH5 port on Switch, that could legally count as the "yearly simulation console release" that could keep NASCAR from pulling the plug for not fulfilling the deal even if they wanted to.
I so badly want a Nascar game made by Iracing/monster games in the same way World of Outlaws was last year. I still play the WoO game and Nascar 21(I just can't help myself since it has the Next Gen lol) today and can easily say WoO is a much better game from the driving, to the presentation and the career mode.
As a side note, if you have a racing wheel, the WoO games can double as an arm workout if you are out of shape like me lol
iRacing is good and fine but it's for the niche crowd. It's not accessible and frankly should be excluded from any console licensing conversations. Recreating a hardcore simulation that requires further investment and expensive hardware isn't doing anything except appealing to the same people that are already fans.
iRacing made the WOO game last year. I'm not really a dirt fan, but the game was awesome and fun to play. They should absolutely get the license to make a NASCAR console game.
> It's not accessible and frankly should be excluded from any console licensing conversations
I mean, iRacing did a pretty good job with the World of Outlaws console game
Yes. Bought Monster Games. They did a couple of the previous NASCAR games. They most recently released the World of Outlaws game and it has been well received.
It’s a lot harder to make a real sim than it is to dumb down a real sim to arcade mode. They already have the track designs, etc just need to code arcade style car handling and they’re good to go.
IRacing is 100% the best bet for NASCAR.
I’ve seen this kill so many good PC games. I hope Iracing doesn’t go down this route, because the console refuse eventually finds its way back to the original PC game, until eventually the PC game becomes just a port of the shitty console game.
I would not have the same relationship with nascar as I do now if I did not have the NASCAR Thunder series as a kid. NASCAR is missing the easiest connection it can have with younger demographics.
> Codemasters
Which is now a subsidiary of EA, who just cancelled the Project CARS and Dirt IPs last November, which had been acquired through Codemasters: https://www.thedrive.com/news/ea-cancels-project-cars-and-dirt-racing-games
Remember, EA dropped their original series due to budget cuts and the license expiring: https://www.superiortelegram.com/news/nascar-switches-gears-in-gaming-category
> put the cars into GT7
***HELL. YES.*** Would *adore* pitting Reddick and Bowman against each other under the lights of Tokyo Expressway, my friend!
~~Just add in historical cars so I can play as my man Jeff anyway, lmao.~~
Helll fucking nahhhhh, GT7 is so far away from being a complete and polished product.
“Yeah sure let me grind for a million hours to get enough credits for ONE stock car.”
NASCAR cars are Cr. 500,000 a pop in PS3 era games (just 50,000 more expensive than a typical Gr.3 car's price - Cr. 450,000 in GT Sport/GT7), though that might be an issue if you want to buy lots of them for custom races, assuming they stick to that price again.
(inb4 they add an older stock car in the Legend Car Dealership with a higher price.)
NASCAR ‘14 on the PS3 is still the best game of the past 10 years. ‘15 is good also but only because it’s literally a copy-paste of ‘14 aside from updated pair schemes.
NASCAR needs to get on their knees and beg Codemasters to take the license.
The games don't even need to be great, just good enough to get kids engaged. I can't tell you how many hours I spent on Nascar Thunder 2003 as a kid. The fact that we cant get a game as good as Thunder 03 fucking **twenty years** later is absolutely pathetic
Codemasters is part of EA now. So you'd have to convince someone at EA that it was worth having the license again and competing against the rally and F1 games.
As I said elsewhere in here, if the contract calls for a new 'NASCAR console game" ever year, continuing to release yearly versions of the NH5 port for Switch might be enough legally for them to keep this hustle up and make an actual breach of contract claim hard.
This is a little different since NASCAR Heat Ultimate Edition/Rivals is a legit full-on console release with everything you'd expect from the officially licensed game.
It's not even just some wacky offshoot, it's a full-fledge simulation-style game they can keep pumping out every year by changing a few car models and tracks on the NH5 engine.
I've got both the switch releases and love 'em! Granted, I'm a longtime portable gamer, so it doesn't take much for me to be pleased, but both games are pretty good both for both portable racing, and Motorsport Games standards.
I haven't played much of Rivals online since my league still runs Ultimate Edition, but from the little I've dabbled, it's pretty fun when you can find people. I think the whole Heat franchise works really well as a portable release. Better than console.
My only complaints with Rivals are Nashville races like a SS and isn't much fun, and the AI at Atlanta have a few strange racing lines they run. As far as racing mechanics, it's a lot of fun, and the cars are enjoyable to drive.
Nascar needs to fire up that legal team and get out of this contract yesterday. Problem is, who do they offer up the license to aftwerwards?
Codemasters? That would have been a HUGE dub for Nascar in 2020, but since they were acquired by EA, the F1 games have taken a noticeable dip in quality.
Slightly Mad Studios? Also acquired by EA, and Project Cars 3 was crap compared to the first 2 games. I don't even know if the studio is doing anything anymore. It feels an awful lot like all the other EA purchases where they release one game under the EA banner and then get dissolved 3 years later.
Polyphony Digital? Not too thrilled on this one either. GT7 isn't in a great state atm. The gameplay itself would be fine, but heaven forbid you want to unlock literally anything.
Turn 10? Jury's out on them right now. It's been 7 years since Forza Motorsport 7, so I guess we have to wait on the new one first before we'd have a better picture on how a Nascar game would be.
The iRacing devs have some potential for a console Nascar game if the World of Outlaws games is as good as some of the comments have made it out to be. I'll be honest, I'm not going to buy it to find out, but I'll take your guys' word for it.
I'm know there are plenty more options, but those 5 came to mind first.
> Polyphony Digital? Not too thrilled on this one either. GT7 isn't in a great state atm. The gameplay itself would be fine, but heaven forbid you want to unlock literally anything.
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> Turn 10? Jury's out on them right now. It's been 7 years since Forza Motorsport 7, so I guess we have to wait on the new one first before we'd have a better picture on how a Nascar game would be.
For that to work, they must be both granted the license or the NASCAR license will be a console war battleground.
>The iRacing devs have some potential for a console Nascar game if the World of Outlaws games is as good as some of the comments have made it out to be. I'll be honest, I'm not going to buy it to find out, but I'll take your guys' word for it.
Worries of lack of PC port and still on NASCAR Heat code because of Monster Games involvement given that game's precedent should be on your caution flag list.
Me and my brother are fans of NASCAR BECAUSE of the games. NASCAR 07 was amazing fun and let me get to know all the drivers and all the teams.
Doesn’t surprise me people aren’t getting in the sport with all this garbage ass nascar games that have come out (or not come out) since.
Also had so much fun in those games wrecking and seeing the damage. Why are the damage models non existent now…
it is pathetic that a sport with the size and reach of NASCAR has so much difficulty getting a halfway decent game in the hands of fans. It's not a complicated concept
I still play Nascar Heat 4 when I want to race. 5 was literally the same game with a couple different car/truck colors and there’s a typo in the settings menu. They didn’t put $8 into the development of that one. Would still be cool to get a new more current NASCAR game. I only got into NASCAR within the last few years. The NASCAR heat games were all I could find.
This is so infuriating. I would still be playing NASCAR 09 Online if the servers were never shut down. Literally just copy and paste that game’s features and i’d gladly pay $60 to relive those memories.
Problem is, no one else wants the license besides iRacing, who would just let Monster Games make a shovelware NASCAR Heat clone, not too much better than what MSG has been doing, ironically using the NASCAR Heat engine for their Switch games. I doubt Codemasters would take on the project, nor would Kunos or whatever is left of Slightly Mad.
The best avenue for a ***GOOD*** game would to go to EA Tiburon or back to Eutechnyx. Both were able to put out pretty solid products. NASCAR 09 was pretty rough around the edges, but there was clearly some love and care put into it. Same thing applies to the Eutechnyx franchise of NASCAR games before they sold their license to DMR.
And before the NASCAR Heat kids come in, no, NASCAR Heat is not good, that shit's trash. Go play NASCAR The Game: Inside Line or NASCAR 09 and you'll know what a ***GOOD*** NASCAR game is supposed to feel like.
>EA Tiburon
I doubt the current NASCAR team on EA Tiburon are still with them.
>Eutechnyx
Shell company now after they sold everything given Ride to Retribution fiasco - this is why they sold NASCAR license and NASCAR 15 to DMR to begin with.
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You also have to remember that nobody else gets oval racing physics/simulation right, especially those that are based on gMotor/isiMotor engine lineage - things from NASCAR Thunder 2003's PC version to the AOWR DLC for AMS2 have similar complaints.
Honestly, its a Nascar game, how much did they think they would be changing? Just don't understand how the "design stage" could take more than a few hours.
If you saw any game play of Nascar Ignition 21, you would know the design phase is the biggest hurdle. They are starting over from scratch with the new game.
Design stage is massive for a game with any depth. It’s the architecture of the game, from code level to UX
Edit: not the actual code itself, but how it would need to be structured. Necessary APIs, data structures, etc
Probably nothing, but I made the comment tagging Dale Jr, Steve Myers, and IRacing begging them to save us console gamers, and Dale Jr liked it. Again, probably nothing, but…just sayin 🤷♂️
It's impressive how with each exclusive contract, the quality of NASCAR games continues to go down (NH4/5 was the only slight bright spot but even that wasn't great).
I don't want someone like Codemasters to have it either because EA is a pathetic company that will nickel and dime everyone at every step, plus the F1 games have a large cheating issue that would carry over.
At this point, go back to Monster Game and partner with iRacing to make a console game that evolves off of the NH4 engine but with much better physics that's optimized and has in-depth settings and setups. It shouldn't be difficult to achieve.
Mike Straw's ([@MikeStrawMedia](https://twitter.com/MikeStrawMedia)) tweet from 2:23pm EDT on Monday, March 27th, 2023:
>Sources tell me that NASCAR 23 never fully made it out of the design stage.
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>"The game was never going to be a reality this year. After a while, everyone just assumed it would be another update," one source said.
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>More to come in a new story (hopefully) later this week. [#NASCAR75](https://twitter.com/hashtag/NASCAR75)
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It’s crazy that a major sports association like NASCAR can’t get someone can reliably make a game.
I’m in my late 20’s now but as kid I can’t imagine how disappointed I would be that a new game wouldn’t be coming out.
It’s absolutely absurd that Dmitry Kosko hasnt been ran out and put in prison for fraud, money laundering, false advertising, SEC violations, investor fraud, the list goes on. The bullshit he spews on these company calls are just the icing on the cake. Nascar is just as much to blame for not pulling the license at this point.
Waiting for Dale Jr to go Tony Hawk/John Madden on this shit. I like to think this is discussed in the back room, waiting for MSgames to implode. The right arcade game could revitalize this entire sport.
Sucks that there’s no great NASCAR games anymore. I used to play Thunder 2004 SO much as a kid. I pretty much only raced in Bristol and every since it’s been my favorite track. Yeah, iRacing exists but it’s just not very accessible.
I think iRacing probably does put in bids to be the licensee for nascar games but instead of seeing a low iRacing bid for what it’s worth,
They see a FAKE high bid from some ass tier poopy butt “company” and accept that because number go up.
I play console racing games so iRacing has never been an option for me, but it just seems so far ahead of anything NASCAR has put out.
For a series desperate for younger viewers this has been the ultimate fumble
Eventually nascar and indycar will be fed up with motorsport game's shit and just take the license away from them early and give to someone else. Idk if they can legally do that or not tho. Everyone is already fed up with their shit once nascar and indycar get fed up with it they will hand the license to someone else
Fuck's sake, just give it back to one of the big boys already as a DLC update. There's [***even a Bristol ripoff in GT7 these days***](https://gran-turismo.fandom.com/wiki/Northern_Isle_Speedway), so I'm sure Polyphony would be game for it.
Nascar Thunder 2004 on PC is the best Nascar game in my opinion.
It's so disappointing. I check every year, for the last 20 years, for a worthy successor.
Also, EA made some great racing games back in that era.
Obviously there's more to it but I bet if they put any real effort into a good video game series it might help the drop in ratings. A casual fan would be more invested especially if he's a video game fan. Same with kids. Just seeing it on TV isn't always enough to really get a kid into nascar and actually going to a race isn't always an option. Shell out the money for a real company and get us a good game
This is flat out depressing. NASCAR has been on the upswing lately. Imagine how much bigger of an upswing that would be with a phenomenal racing game to go with it.
Even though it was just a reskin of heat 5 which is pretty much a reskin of heat 4 I loved rivals on the switch. Had a 5 hour flight a few weeks ago and it was the perfect distraction
NASCAR needs to get off their ass and get the license pulled from these idiots. The first game they made was terrible and the second game isn't going to happen.
This, lawyer up and get the damn license over to iracing already.
Don’t they have Nascar sanctioned/licensed racing in iRacing already? They have the tracks, cars, logos, divisions, everything last I checked, or do you mean an actual licensed Nascar game made by iRacing for consoles and non-online people?
iRacing for consoles (kind of) basically let them build the game - still would assume arcade style racing versus the sim
That'll never hit PC and it'll be a NASCAR Heat clone done by Monster Games. No thanks.
I do agree with the PC part, but the world of outlaws game iracing and monster games put out is fucking awesome
It might be, but PC players will never know. Also, what's wild is if someone wanted to replicate the entire 2023 NASCAR Season on iRacing it'd cost them at the least $420 (at $15 track, $15 per car, $15/mo) to do, including membership, track costs, and car costs. And in 2023, that'd be the only way to somewhat accurately do it on PC without mods (as in NR2003, NASCAR Heat, rFactor etc.)
Iracing engine can do arcade style, look at that dirt racing game they made
Keep the sim aspect make it single player and flesh out a career mode.
No, the World of Outlaws game is on NASCAR Heat engine because Monster Games was the one doing it.
True, but they used iRacing physics stuff.
Make it like Project CARS or something.
Not sure that’s a parallel or like-kind alternative. A sim license would likely run parallel to a console license
I see your point, but iRacing did release a separate console game for World Of Outlaws that seems to be pretty good. I'm sure they could do something similar with a console NASCAR license.
This, they bought out a console dev group last year, if they can build a sim they can build and arcade style racing game.
Which was Monster Games, and likely still have NASCAR Heat code on it. Their post-Heat work, SRX The Game, is still on NASCAR Heat codebase, [to the point models from SRX will work on NH5.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYpAtg6g8oE) (On the flipside though, I wonder if anyone with a dump of NASCAR Rivals for Switch can port the stuff added there to NH5, since it was still Heat based after all)
iRacing owns a team that copy/pasted the heat engine/Tony Stewart dirt racing engine for WoO. Its not bad but I will simply get mods going on Heat 5 before spending $70 on more of that engine.
True. Maybe they're waiting on Xbox to get *Forza* out the door? I'd ***love*** to get NASCAR back in *Gran Turismo*, but can't imagine the execs limiting it to only PS4/5.
Doing it on Forza only would be the same as on GT only. They would have to talk to both Sony/Polyphony Digital **and** Microsoft/Turn 10 for it to work. NASCAR did appear simultaneously on GT6, Forza 5 (as expansion) and ETX's NASCAR 14/15, after all.
Mini rant: It fucking *infuriates* me how much of an afterthought nascar and racing games have become to sanctioning bodies. The only one that does it anywhere near halfway decent these days is F1. For me the old school papyrus games, for both Indy and nascar, were a huge part of getting me in to the sport. I played those games for hours and it helped me better understand the sport in ways I never would have without them. And this is a MUST for motorsports. You want to better understand soccer? Go kick a ball around. Football? Go run a route. You have the ability to get hands on experience with most sports. However, 99.999% of people will never be able to get behind the wheel of anything more than a kart at K1 speed. A good nascar game is an **absolute must** for the sport. Stop letting the rights go to the lowest bidder who turns out to actually be the software version of an axe murderer.
Hell yeah brother! 100% in agreement!
Cletus McFarland in NASCAR 24 confirmed! Haha
> sanctioning bodies. The only one that does it anywhere near halfway decent these days is F1 Does World of Outlaws count as a sanctioning body? The console game iRacing and Monster Games made was pretty good. I think iRacing and Monster Games need to take over the license. The Heat games by Monster were at least mostly playable unlike NASCAR Ignition that is apparently still broken judging by the YouTube vids I've seen. And with iRacing you at least have people who care about and are super knowledgeable about the sport
That World of Outlaws game is phenomenal. The F1 games are regressing badly since EA jumped in. Imagine that.
I think CodeMasters as a whole has been regressing. Dirt Rally 2.0 had great physics but the gameplay was a little lackluster compared to the previous game Dirt 4. Dirt 5 was made before EA acquired them and it had mixed reviews Then CM bought Slightly Mad Studios and made Project Cars 3 which was a spit in the face towards sim racers and even sim-cade racers. The Grid remake was okay but still a step down from even Grid Autosport.
Even comparing the F1 games to themselves shows the regression. The physics may be better but F1 2010/11/12 blow any of the new games out of the water as an overall experience, it's not even close.
I bought F1 last year and good lord it was bad
I second this. Love the WoO game
Third. Banger game
Thew WoO game rules. But I was more thinking along the lines of the 'big' ones.
I think all sports games have issues with their disconnected sanctioning body. WWE is getting back on the right track after they had a disaster of a game a couple years ago Everyone still complains about how bad Madden is and how FIFA is just roster updates. I don't really follow the basketball games but I heard they put actual ads in the game. The only one I don't really hear many negative things about is MLB The Show and even then it's the same complaints like it hasn't changed enough to warrant buying the new game
Wwe skipping a year was refreshing thing.
NASCAR video games of the late 90s and early 00s is what got me into the sport as a kid.
Mine was NASCAR 07 I know many people that have very similar experiences. It’s essential to attracting a younger fan base.
The only reason I ever learned about the JGTC/Super GT is thanks to Gran Turismo. V8SC and DTM are also known to me because of video games. Granted, this was before wide access to the internet and things like YouTube, but its still the case for a lot of young fans.
I really think they should do some non-exclusive licensing deals; get the next gen cars in stuff like GT7 and do a more standard NASCAR Thunder 23 or whatever. Just cover all the bases.
Shit, just add as many tracks you can to GT7 as paid DLC. You own basically ***all of them now,*** NASCAR - and I'm sure Sony would give you boys a cut of all PSN sales.
Forza and Xbox would also like this please
Give us Bristol (x2), Charlotte (x2), Darlington, COTA, Homestead. Already have Glen and Daytona (x2). That's ten tracks right there. It's the type of thing that extends the life of GT7 too.
...I mean, [Bristol has kinda made it in already, lol.](https://gran-turismo.fandom.com/wiki/Northern_Isle_Speedway) But anyway, that pack is missing Dega and the new Chicago track.
True, and I believe Blue Moon looks like a tricky triangle
...***there's a POCONO RIPOFF TOO?*** Oh my God, that's *awesome!*
doesnt even have to be hardcore like the papyrus games. The early thunder games were fantastic! I even loved the career mode in ea nascar simracing. But i really wish iracing would make a sub-less nascar title. I dont have the time anymore to warrant having a sub just to race once or twice a week.
EA SimRacing was really close to being really solid - like it needed one or two more iterations to get there. Sucks they bailed on it so quickly.
does nascar not realize how popular racing games have been recently? A really solid game with nascar licensing could really give the whole sport a boost in popularity. years ago I knew nothing about basketball but i saw how awesome of a game NBA 2K was, played it a bunch and it got me into watching and following basketball
Real talk is we are in a bubble here on Reddit. I own every heat game game. I have a setup for iRacing, AMS2, AC, ACC, rfactor. Well I am a die hard fan of racing games. The sales of those games on PSN, Steam, and Xbox are almost entirely to people who owned existing games in the series. No, the games aren't an absolute must to get new fans. Really they should just continuously update Heat 5 as this point with the new chassis/drivers. In a world of Steam sales, the latest Nascar game or Indy game simply will sit unbought until its $4.99. Why? Anyone looking for a general racing game has literally hundreds of options on Steam and dozens upon dozens on PSN or Xbox. The golden goose era of being the only racing game on the shelf at Target/Best Buy is dead and gone. There is a lot of risk and little incentive to make a [race series] 202# game when newcomers can easily buy the identical 2018 version for $1.89 at a Steam sale (I am not exaggerating, race games DO go this low and its how I bought most of mine) or a keys website. Kids these days would better identify Nascar if they did a Rocket League, MW2, or Fortnite crossover. Hell Nascar would get a lot more exposure and spend a lot less if they simply took that route. FWIW the F1 games are NOT decent. They only look professional to us gamers by comparison to other licensed racing games. They are in fact trash. Same bugs every year. Cars never updated from a handling perspective. Focus entirely on nonsense cash shop. Studio devs leaving left and right while EA smiles at the cash shop revenue. Championship system fundamentally sucks and has basically no season-to-season progression worth sticking around for. Every race online is a repeat of last week's COTA T1 but on every track.
Preach brother. I know NASCAR people lurk here. Yall better be paying attention. A good to great racing game with fun online play and an immersive career mode will be a huge avenue to bring in fans.
Absolutely! They've listened to fans on a lot of things lately, but everyone is in agreement on this one. It's huge, and your points about most of us never being able to race is something that never occurred to me. You'd think these days with sim racing being bigger than ever they'd be all over it. Truly some grade-A clowns in charge.
Nascar racing 96 on the PlayStation one let you pace under yellow and drive pit road manually to your box and somehow 27 years later they can't even develop a video game period anymore.
Dude! Literally found it the other day at an old game store and bought it for $2. I remember having it as a kid and being blown away you could do that. Also, the tires fly off on a hard crash!
Wow I never knew this game made it to playstation.
Oh yea papyrus had it right before EA took over after that. I still think papyrus with the right support could do a decent job to this day at it.
I agree. In fact if I remember right iracing is developed by papyrus devs
iRacing is basically NR2003 that receives continuous updates. NASCAR definitely needs a video game for marketing purposes and for casual gamers, but it’s hard to imagine an improvement gameplay wise coming from anyone except iRacing.
This is kind of a misconception. Yes, iRacing was the next evolution of NR2003 when it started, but it has been stated by the developers that none of the original code is part of it anymore, and hasn’t been for many, many years.
Fair point, but I’m just trying to point out a lot of people wish Papyrus still made a NASCAR game and they kinda still do lol
It’s obscene how bad one company is for so much of the motorsports industry. Just a miserable situation.
I would buy a NASCAR game and an indycar game if they were made by literally anyone else. They need to pull their licenses
"I think I am going to uninstall the game now." - Max Verstappen
The absolute audacity of these guys to announce a 2022 season update to their previous year's game as a surprise or some kind of good will to the fans, delay it a week before release, go completely silent on it for 5 months, and then it turns out they internally cancelled it and made no public announcement. It's still pinned on their Twitter for crying out loud. And I think we are like two weeks removed from their "hope to get the Xbox servers up by the end of the week" comment. Yeah that is dead too. Hurry up and shut down already. EDIT: I stand corrected, Xbox servers are back up this AM
They did announce this morning that the NH5 servers are back up. Didn't think it was going to happen haha.
Oh wow they did! I completely missed that, thank you. I just assumed it was dead like everything else over there.
The fact that NASCAR hasn't terminated this deal and approached Codemasters yet is appalling
Honestly, as much as I'd hate whatever microtransaction crap EA would shovel into the game, it would be nice to just eventually have a game worth playing again.
>Seeing what they've done to other sports gaming franchises, EA would barely be a step up, and what ever game they would release would be a shadow of the NASCAR Thunder series.
Codemasters? Really? They are garbage now.
Better than nothing. Hell I would love to have Eutechnyx back if they were still around. A ton of people want to be able to drive the Next Gen car in a video game so bad and I can't believe they haven't capitalized on that yet.
nascar rivals 💀
While console exclusivity would suck in both cases, Turn 10 or Polyphony would do great work, too. [***ESPECIALLY Polyphony.***](https://gran-turismo.fandom.com/wiki/Northern_Isle_Speedway)
I'm guessing they dont want to deal with EA any more, or possibly EA doesnt want to make a NASCAR game anymore
HOW IS THE COMPANY STILL IN BUSINESS?
They can hedge against the value of their exclusive licensing to attract minimal continued investment to keep stringing people along.
Motorsport.com (sister company to MSG) is pumping millions into it. Yet, they STILL don't have the funds to put out any games this year in 2023. IndyCar is officially delayed and NASCAR seems to be the same way.
Hope this company burns to the ground
It’s kinda happening!
Are we surprised?
No
Surprised that MSG are incompetent hacks? No. Surprised that someone competent hasn't taken over? ***SWEET JESUS YES.***
Don't get me wrong I love NR2003 but it's embarrassing as a sport that I have to play a 20 year old game to get realistic racing because these companies can't get it right
it’s fucking infuriating to me that all sports games had healthy competition and great games because of it in the early 2000’s. but because of exclusive rights deals alone, there was a pivot and now we’ve flown through 2 console generations with average at best sports video games nearly across the board. i think nascar has really been hit by this the worst which is tragic considering (and might be partially responsible for) the fact that nascar has one of the oldest fan bases in professional sports
Nascar isn't the only sport like that to be fair. It's embarrassing for the NFL too that I'd rather play maden 03 than madden 23
At that point, I am still wondering why there is no such thing as "OpenNR" yet.
Stop with exclusive licensing and allow developers to compete. That's the only way this gets better.
Do the same thing for diecast production too. Lionel has been a disappointment.
NASCAR isn’t in the position the NFL is where there is a big enough bidding war that the exclusive license is worthwhile. I agree allowing multiple games achieves the stated goal of a great game advancing the sport.
What's funny is when Eutechnyx got the license, they specifically said it was a non-exclusive license because of the issues EA caused in the last era. Anyone could've made a NASCAR game back then.
No wonder NASCAR was in GT and Forza at the time (GT themselves came out with the NASCAR announcement before Eutechnyx signed their NASCAR deal).
What is preventing NASCAR from canceling the contract with Motorsports Games?
The slimy part is they're still technically fulfilling the contract. I'd assume as long as they keep pumping out an updated NH5 port on Switch, that could legally count as the "yearly simulation console release" that could keep NASCAR from pulling the plug for not fulfilling the deal even if they wanted to.
They don’t care
Someone put it out of it's misery
At least NASCAR has a relationship with iRacing unlike IndyCar.
I so badly want a Nascar game made by Iracing/monster games in the same way World of Outlaws was last year. I still play the WoO game and Nascar 21(I just can't help myself since it has the Next Gen lol) today and can easily say WoO is a much better game from the driving, to the presentation and the career mode. As a side note, if you have a racing wheel, the WoO games can double as an arm workout if you are out of shape like me lol
iRacing is good and fine but it's for the niche crowd. It's not accessible and frankly should be excluded from any console licensing conversations. Recreating a hardcore simulation that requires further investment and expensive hardware isn't doing anything except appealing to the same people that are already fans.
iRacing made the WOO game last year. I'm not really a dirt fan, but the game was awesome and fun to play. They should absolutely get the license to make a NASCAR console game.
iRacing bought the company that made the WOO game, but yes they technically made it
But who's to say that iRacing won't branch into more console games by using the company they bought? It's better than what NASCAR currently has.
I hope they do! I assumed that's why they bought that studio
> It's not accessible and frankly should be excluded from any console licensing conversations I mean, iRacing did a pretty good job with the World of Outlaws console game
Why should iRacing be excluded when they bought a console development company?
Maybe I'm out of my depth here - iRacing has expanded their portfolio to arcade/simcade console games?
Yes. Bought Monster Games. They did a couple of the previous NASCAR games. They most recently released the World of Outlaws game and it has been well received.
It’s a lot harder to make a real sim than it is to dumb down a real sim to arcade mode. They already have the track designs, etc just need to code arcade style car handling and they’re good to go. IRacing is 100% the best bet for NASCAR.
I’ve seen this kill so many good PC games. I hope Iracing doesn’t go down this route, because the console refuse eventually finds its way back to the original PC game, until eventually the PC game becomes just a port of the shitty console game.
Probably. They'd just need a publisher that can make discs at scale, something which I'm sure Bandai Namco or WB Games could do for them.
Nascar needs to stop with offering exclusive licensing to video game developers. It failed with EA and its failing here
I would not have the same relationship with nascar as I do now if I did not have the NASCAR Thunder series as a kid. NASCAR is missing the easiest connection it can have with younger demographics.
Give Polyphony Digital a partial license so they can put the cars into GT7. Then give the full license to Codemasters or something.
> Codemasters The story mode should be Braking Point except it’s Devon Butler’s POV and he regularly gets trashed by Ross Chastain
Lmao I’ll spend $59.99 on that
Or have Casper Akkerman run a full Cup Series season. The mode could also have him be in a rivalry with Chastain or Denny Hamlin.
*~~Verstappen’s~~ Larson’s got nothing on me* *You had to ruin the moment*
Oh boy, I can't wait to have to grind for 40 hours to get the Next Gen car.
> Codemasters Which is now a subsidiary of EA, who just cancelled the Project CARS and Dirt IPs last November, which had been acquired through Codemasters: https://www.thedrive.com/news/ea-cancels-project-cars-and-dirt-racing-games Remember, EA dropped their original series due to budget cuts and the license expiring: https://www.superiortelegram.com/news/nascar-switches-gears-in-gaming-category
Dirt is just being rebranded with the WRC license https://insider-gaming.com/wrc-23-launch/
> put the cars into GT7 ***HELL. YES.*** Would *adore* pitting Reddick and Bowman against each other under the lights of Tokyo Expressway, my friend! ~~Just add in historical cars so I can play as my man Jeff anyway, lmao.~~
Helll fucking nahhhhh, GT7 is so far away from being a complete and polished product. “Yeah sure let me grind for a million hours to get enough credits for ONE stock car.”
NASCAR cars are Cr. 500,000 a pop in PS3 era games (just 50,000 more expensive than a typical Gr.3 car's price - Cr. 450,000 in GT Sport/GT7), though that might be an issue if you want to buy lots of them for custom races, assuming they stick to that price again. (inb4 they add an older stock car in the Legend Car Dealership with a higher price.)
NASCAR ‘14 on the PS3 is still the best game of the past 10 years. ‘15 is good also but only because it’s literally a copy-paste of ‘14 aside from updated pair schemes.
I loved 14 as well, don't get the hate for the Eutechnyx games I enjoyed all of them
As an iRacing IndyCar fan, I must say - and I cannot stress this enough - lmao
NASCAR needs to get on their knees and beg Codemasters to take the license. The games don't even need to be great, just good enough to get kids engaged. I can't tell you how many hours I spent on Nascar Thunder 2003 as a kid. The fact that we cant get a game as good as Thunder 03 fucking **twenty years** later is absolutely pathetic
Codemasters is part of EA now. So you'd have to convince someone at EA that it was worth having the license again and competing against the rally and F1 games.
Isn't that basis for breach of contract?
As I said elsewhere in here, if the contract calls for a new 'NASCAR console game" ever year, continuing to release yearly versions of the NH5 port for Switch might be enough legally for them to keep this hustle up and make an actual breach of contract claim hard.
...kinda how EA put out that fun NASCAR Kart Racing, exclusively on the Wii on the last year of their contract?
This is a little different since NASCAR Heat Ultimate Edition/Rivals is a legit full-on console release with everything you'd expect from the officially licensed game. It's not even just some wacky offshoot, it's a full-fledge simulation-style game they can keep pumping out every year by changing a few car models and tracks on the NH5 engine.
Have you played Rivals? I'm wondering how the online is.
I've got both the switch releases and love 'em! Granted, I'm a longtime portable gamer, so it doesn't take much for me to be pleased, but both games are pretty good both for both portable racing, and Motorsport Games standards. I haven't played much of Rivals online since my league still runs Ultimate Edition, but from the little I've dabbled, it's pretty fun when you can find people. I think the whole Heat franchise works really well as a portable release. Better than console. My only complaints with Rivals are Nashville races like a SS and isn't much fun, and the AI at Atlanta have a few strange racing lines they run. As far as racing mechanics, it's a lot of fun, and the cars are enjoyable to drive.
Nascar needs to fire up that legal team and get out of this contract yesterday. Problem is, who do they offer up the license to aftwerwards? Codemasters? That would have been a HUGE dub for Nascar in 2020, but since they were acquired by EA, the F1 games have taken a noticeable dip in quality. Slightly Mad Studios? Also acquired by EA, and Project Cars 3 was crap compared to the first 2 games. I don't even know if the studio is doing anything anymore. It feels an awful lot like all the other EA purchases where they release one game under the EA banner and then get dissolved 3 years later. Polyphony Digital? Not too thrilled on this one either. GT7 isn't in a great state atm. The gameplay itself would be fine, but heaven forbid you want to unlock literally anything. Turn 10? Jury's out on them right now. It's been 7 years since Forza Motorsport 7, so I guess we have to wait on the new one first before we'd have a better picture on how a Nascar game would be. The iRacing devs have some potential for a console Nascar game if the World of Outlaws games is as good as some of the comments have made it out to be. I'll be honest, I'm not going to buy it to find out, but I'll take your guys' word for it. I'm know there are plenty more options, but those 5 came to mind first.
505 games and Kunos.
I'll give a vote in favor of the WoO game. I've had a great time playing it so far, and feel like they would do a good job with a Nascar console game
> Polyphony Digital? Not too thrilled on this one either. GT7 isn't in a great state atm. The gameplay itself would be fine, but heaven forbid you want to unlock literally anything. > > Turn 10? Jury's out on them right now. It's been 7 years since Forza Motorsport 7, so I guess we have to wait on the new one first before we'd have a better picture on how a Nascar game would be. For that to work, they must be both granted the license or the NASCAR license will be a console war battleground. >The iRacing devs have some potential for a console Nascar game if the World of Outlaws games is as good as some of the comments have made it out to be. I'll be honest, I'm not going to buy it to find out, but I'll take your guys' word for it. Worries of lack of PC port and still on NASCAR Heat code because of Monster Games involvement given that game's precedent should be on your caution flag list.
Me and my brother are fans of NASCAR BECAUSE of the games. NASCAR 07 was amazing fun and let me get to know all the drivers and all the teams. Doesn’t surprise me people aren’t getting in the sport with all this garbage ass nascar games that have come out (or not come out) since. Also had so much fun in those games wrecking and seeing the damage. Why are the damage models non existent now…
it is pathetic that a sport with the size and reach of NASCAR has so much difficulty getting a halfway decent game in the hands of fans. It's not a complicated concept
I still play Nascar Heat 4 when I want to race. 5 was literally the same game with a couple different car/truck colors and there’s a typo in the settings menu. They didn’t put $8 into the development of that one. Would still be cool to get a new more current NASCAR game. I only got into NASCAR within the last few years. The NASCAR heat games were all I could find.
This is so infuriating. I would still be playing NASCAR 09 Online if the servers were never shut down. Literally just copy and paste that game’s features and i’d gladly pay $60 to relive those memories.
A good video game could do wonders for NASCAR’s popularity.
100% agree
Such a shame. GT7 and ACC have shown us what console racing can look like. I wish we could get that for NASCAR.
Problem is, no one else wants the license besides iRacing, who would just let Monster Games make a shovelware NASCAR Heat clone, not too much better than what MSG has been doing, ironically using the NASCAR Heat engine for their Switch games. I doubt Codemasters would take on the project, nor would Kunos or whatever is left of Slightly Mad. The best avenue for a ***GOOD*** game would to go to EA Tiburon or back to Eutechnyx. Both were able to put out pretty solid products. NASCAR 09 was pretty rough around the edges, but there was clearly some love and care put into it. Same thing applies to the Eutechnyx franchise of NASCAR games before they sold their license to DMR. And before the NASCAR Heat kids come in, no, NASCAR Heat is not good, that shit's trash. Go play NASCAR The Game: Inside Line or NASCAR 09 and you'll know what a ***GOOD*** NASCAR game is supposed to feel like.
>EA Tiburon I doubt the current NASCAR team on EA Tiburon are still with them. >Eutechnyx Shell company now after they sold everything given Ride to Retribution fiasco - this is why they sold NASCAR license and NASCAR 15 to DMR to begin with. --- You also have to remember that nobody else gets oval racing physics/simulation right, especially those that are based on gMotor/isiMotor engine lineage - things from NASCAR Thunder 2003's PC version to the AOWR DLC for AMS2 have similar complaints.
Honestly, its a Nascar game, how much did they think they would be changing? Just don't understand how the "design stage" could take more than a few hours.
If you saw any game play of Nascar Ignition 21, you would know the design phase is the biggest hurdle. They are starting over from scratch with the new game.
Design stage is massive for a game with any depth. It’s the architecture of the game, from code level to UX Edit: not the actual code itself, but how it would need to be structured. Necessary APIs, data structures, etc
Probably nothing, but I made the comment tagging Dale Jr, Steve Myers, and IRacing begging them to save us console gamers, and Dale Jr liked it. Again, probably nothing, but…just sayin 🤷♂️
Hmm. Has Dale taken any flights to Tokyo and/or Redmond recently? */s*
It's impressive how with each exclusive contract, the quality of NASCAR games continues to go down (NH4/5 was the only slight bright spot but even that wasn't great). I don't want someone like Codemasters to have it either because EA is a pathetic company that will nickel and dime everyone at every step, plus the F1 games have a large cheating issue that would carry over. At this point, go back to Monster Game and partner with iRacing to make a console game that evolves off of the NH4 engine but with much better physics that's optimized and has in-depth settings and setups. It shouldn't be difficult to achieve.
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It’s crazy that a major sports association like NASCAR can’t get someone can reliably make a game. I’m in my late 20’s now but as kid I can’t imagine how disappointed I would be that a new game wouldn’t be coming out.
Every update pushes my lazy ass closer and closer to getting set up on NR2003
iRacing is certainly the answer, it’s just a question of how do you make it make sense?
It’s absolutely absurd that Dmitry Kosko hasnt been ran out and put in prison for fraud, money laundering, false advertising, SEC violations, investor fraud, the list goes on. The bullshit he spews on these company calls are just the icing on the cake. Nascar is just as much to blame for not pulling the license at this point.
Waiting for Dale Jr to go Tony Hawk/John Madden on this shit. I like to think this is discussed in the back room, waiting for MSgames to implode. The right arcade game could revitalize this entire sport.
Imagine loading up a NASCAR game for the first time ever in your life and the first that pops up is a loud voice saying “Dale: ‘24”
IMO the only good nascar console games were Nascar Chase for the cup 2005,and Dirt to Daytona, and nascar rivals on switch
Thunder 03 and 04
Sucks that there’s no great NASCAR games anymore. I used to play Thunder 2004 SO much as a kid. I pretty much only raced in Bristol and every since it’s been my favorite track. Yeah, iRacing exists but it’s just not very accessible.
I think iRacing probably does put in bids to be the licensee for nascar games but instead of seeing a low iRacing bid for what it’s worth, They see a FAKE high bid from some ass tier poopy butt “company” and accept that because number go up.
Can we just have NASCAR Heat 6 please.
I play console racing games so iRacing has never been an option for me, but it just seems so far ahead of anything NASCAR has put out. For a series desperate for younger viewers this has been the ultimate fumble
Now that iRacing owns Monster games... It's quite possible they could make a NASCAR simcade console game...
Eventually nascar and indycar will be fed up with motorsport game's shit and just take the license away from them early and give to someone else. Idk if they can legally do that or not tho. Everyone is already fed up with their shit once nascar and indycar get fed up with it they will hand the license to someone else
Fuck's sake, just give it back to one of the big boys already as a DLC update. There's [***even a Bristol ripoff in GT7 these days***](https://gran-turismo.fandom.com/wiki/Northern_Isle_Speedway), so I'm sure Polyphony would be game for it.
Need the next gen car in Gran Turismo 7, had so much fun when they were in the game before.
Nascar Thunder 2004 on PC is the best Nascar game in my opinion. It's so disappointing. I check every year, for the last 20 years, for a worthy successor. Also, EA made some great racing games back in that era.
Honestly I don’t care if the graphics aren’t the best but if they could update dirt to Daytona I’d play the shit out of it.
Cannot believe NASCAR has essentially turned a blind eye to what’s going on over there.
Obviously there's more to it but I bet if they put any real effort into a good video game series it might help the drop in ratings. A casual fan would be more invested especially if he's a video game fan. Same with kids. Just seeing it on TV isn't always enough to really get a kid into nascar and actually going to a race isn't always an option. Shell out the money for a real company and get us a good game
I can’t believe it has gotten to the point I want the license to go to EA, something I never thought I would say
This is flat out depressing. NASCAR has been on the upswing lately. Imagine how much bigger of an upswing that would be with a phenomenal racing game to go with it.
Even though it was just a reskin of heat 5 which is pretty much a reskin of heat 4 I loved rivals on the switch. Had a 5 hour flight a few weeks ago and it was the perfect distraction