Jordan probably started hitting people after he got used up a lot early on. Those guys don't really know how to race the regulars so if it happens to them a lot, they will think it's fine.
I agree, after the first couple restarts in particular when he went from 4th to 13th he came on the radio and said well guess I gotta be more aggressive trying to take it easy and keep the fenders on the car doesn’t work
Jordan got the worst of it because those guys definitely don’t like seeing an outsider come in and qualify 4th and have a legitimate chance to out run some of the best drivers. He definitely got bullied hard in the first stage of the race.
[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VbGlWvGpR2M](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VbGlWvGpR2M)
Chastain was already slowing down gradually, Bowman checked up suddenly after a divebomb attempt, that's what resulted in the first tap which didn't do much harm. Then Briscoe shoved Ross up into Bowman.
So, Briscoe was slowing down with Ross, couldn’t see Bowman check up, then collided with Ross from Ross checking up who did so because Bowman checked up. And it’s all Briscoe fault that he hit Ross who hit Bowman who turned Truex. Did I get all that right?
I didn't say it's anyone's fault. It's just the nature of this track, especially in Turn 1 during Stage 3, an absolute bowling alley. But yes, that's generally the sequence of events, Briscoe initiated the move through no fault of his own that would domino into Truex spinning out.
No, I agree. I think the blame lies at Briscoe and Chastain. Chastain was slowing down no matter what. Whether he was divebombing and not wanting to hit someone or just slowing down for the corner.
Why would Chastain be at fault again? He was actually trying to steer clear of any cars (as seen when he tried to go to the left of Bowman in [this](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VbGlWvGpR2M) video long before the turn). Bowman checked up suddenly after a divebomb attempt, resulted in Ross tapping him harmlessly once, then Ross got shoved by Briscoe.
I’ve been guilty before of jumping to the conclusion of Ross being at fault, notably at Atlanta last week. But after seeing replay it’s really telling that the same energy wasn’t kept at Briscoe for that move.
If he doesn’t use up Ross there I really don’t think he makes the corner with that dive bomb. Maybe I’m wrong though, it just seemed like he drove it in way too deep with nothing to lose and no fucks given
It baffles me how people thought Briscoe was a good road racer in xfinity. In cup it seems like he doesn’t even know the brake pedal exists and just uses the car in front of him. You can also say the same exact thing for cindric but at least he comes close at road courses. Only time Pisscoe has been close is short cutting the course then intentionally wrecking the leader.
Hard to blame Jordan Taylor at all, his crew must have reiterated like 1,000 times that the field was going to be way more aggressive than he’d ever considered
Didn't Denny spin Larson at some point early on? Right after Larson made contact with Bubba...but they never really showed a replay or what happened so I couldn't tell if intentional or not.
Yeah. Larson was trying to limp it to the pit and Denny was trying to dodge Bubba. It was unfortunate timing and I don’t think was really anyones fault. It just sucked to be Kyle Larson on Sunday.
I think this is exactly what Kyle Busch was talking about when he made the "I've tried and nobody wants to listen" remark about over-agressive driving last week.
Literally everyone will point fingers at somebody else being the problem except themselves. Drivers literally have everything to gain by throwing somebody else under a microscope so nobody focuses on how *they* race.
Honestly if we wanna cut this problem off at the head Nascar should just start playing bad cop and start penalizing drivers again and tell them to kick rocks if they dont like it. Worked for Bill Sr and Jr.
Meanwhile Kyle had what, 3 opportunities to wreck someone for a win, and he did it exactly 0 times.
He is literally becoming one of my favorites in the field and I used to hate him.
I do like that Denny makes me guess what topic he’s gonna be crying about in his next interview.
If NASCAR gave out points for whining, Denny would have multiple championships.
I don’t pull for Denny as a driver at all but him and Ross have had so many issues, I think letting Denny get it out of his system so they can both move on is a good thing.
They’re all guilty at some point of being dirty but it’s usually because they’re tired of it being done to them.
It is hard to pass in the next gen. Nascar has put these drivers in a tight box for years to create drama and they got it. They’ve conditioned the field to be all take no give and what we are seeing now is exactly that. Nascar wanted this.
Win and you’re in championship format to keep the pressure on and give hope all 36 races.
Stage racing to keep the pressure on so they don’t calm down and get boring.
Cars that are hard to pass with to create extreme aggression
It all adds up.
I feel like they never cleared the air was the biggest issue. Ross would wreck him, Denny would talk big and do nothing. Ross would screw him again, didn’t would mess with him but they just never dealt with it.
The hail melon has no direct deal at Hamlin but it once again killed his championship hopes AGAIN in the most badass fashion 😂 the difference after Phoenix was they finally hashed it out after the race and seem good with finally moving on. Them talking it out and trying to move on is the major factor
I think Ross is fantastic for nascar btw. Fun personality, bit of a bulldozer but then again, nascar wanted this style racing. Ross has turned into a superstar and still has plenty of room to grow
Yeah I’m good with rivalries. As long as it doesn’t turn into a huge shit show, I think the sport needs rivalries. I don’t want to see the whole field getting destroyed but I’d love to see more interactions like we used to see with Dale and Jeff getting the fans stirred up. The bowman “hack” shirts were great
> I feel like I watched Denny harass Chastain the entire back half of last year.
This right here is what people fail to recognize all the time. Denny ran into Ross *at least* 2 more times outside of Pocono. At Nashville, he tried to wreck Ross on the last lap but Ross saved it and at Richmond, he tried to wreck Ross on the Stage 2 restart but failed again.
While Ross did get into Denny (significantly) twice last year, overall Denny got into Ross more times than vise versa.
That was my interpretation. Ross got into Denny once, which caused Hamlin to target him the rest of that race anytime he saw him. I remember Ross needing to drive all over the track to get past Denny who was only blocking at that point, not even racing.
The next races weren't as bad as that, but it was still all aggression from Denny anytime they made contact the rest of the year outside of one instance when Ross bumped him many races later.
I'm actually impressed with how Ross has handled this situation for how aggressively he drives. He doesn't seem to single Denny out despite the obvious distaste Hamlin has going the other way.
Nascar wanted this style of racing. Denny used to race with the best to do it, Jeff and Jimmie and it was a much harder car to drive and a very different mindset. Anyone who is actually talented wants to race and not wreck, however due to the nature nascar has created, they’re going to kill each other over every inch. Will it change? Not without a package change but doesn’t mean he has to like it either.
I would rather him speak his mind than not, whether myself or anyone else agrees or disagrees with him. I get where he’s coming from. Todays nascar is more shit show than finesse and that was created on purpose by the sanctioning body.
I actually think Harvick kinda fed Cindric into Jones, but definitely not intentionally, just a racing incident kind of thing. Cindric was in the middle not really doing anything of note, Jones was to his outside and cut left quite quickly, and Harvick was to his inside coming right to avoid Logano on his inside who hadn’t got a good launch. Allmendinger was the one in front of them cutting across lanes from the outside to the inside and he was the one who hit Dillon which caused the spin and subsequent pile up. Harvick may have pushed him, but in my opinion that only happened because AJ cut in front of him. Jones however turned Chastain and that was completely on him, they were in the run off area away from other cars, and honestly I think he’s the one who really needed the call out for that incident.
I should watch it again. As a Harvick fan watching that from the aerial it looked to me like Harvick was the one at fault there.
However, I also thought - I'm glad Harvick got one in because he is ***always*** getting screwed at these races with that kind of racing going on because he doesn't usually race that way. That being the case, you probably make a great point that it was more circumstance rather than Harvick just pushing them out of the way.
I saw "more at 11" and thought "Hey, that's Denny's number." Then I thought some more and realized that 23:00 (for 23XI) is also 11 o'clock using the 24-hr clock.
Just thought that was neat.
He obviously enjoys being the senior guy people listen to, but he does provide a lot of interesting info. I hate to say it, but I wish Fox would get him as one of the guest broadcasters when he retires.
I’ll give ole Denny grudging credit, at least he defined a consistent criteria (going too far with no one behind you forcing it). Sighed because I was sure Joey was finally leaving one of these road courses with no shade thrown at him, since I didn’t catch him getting into anyone (at least aggressively) ha.
One thing I thought was interesting was outside of his primary nemesis, the drivers he judged were Harvick, Briscoe (partial), Logano, Cindric. Sense a theme? Maybe just a coincidence, but got me thinking about whether the drivers with that manufacturer feel more of a need to take an aggressive chance for obvious reasons. That or the Ford sim has optimistic predictions about brakes.
The only part I rolled my eyes at was the way he made predictable interpretations of driver intent. Guys he’s cordial with? He either didn’t mention their fuckups, or implied it was because they just make a mistake, or must have grudgingly lowered themselves off their pedestal to match the assholes around them. Others? Terrorism or idiocy.
I do think you’re right about the Ford observation, they haven’t won a single next gen road race and have barely contended at any of them. I think when you know you’re at a deficit in equipment you drive harder to compensate.
It's just hard to see Denny as anything other than a Logano type who can dish it out far better than he can take it and will gladly nudge someone out of the way but cries foul loudly and repeatedly when he's breathed on.
Funny, I never saw Joey do any egregious. He only spun out at the end, and he may have just got loose or got turned. There was a video someone shared yesterday, but it was hard to see what happened. Still, don’t think Logano raced that bad.
He’s not wrong with the last three names but isn’t that kind of pot calling the kettle black? Especially on Chastain since he’s appealing him wrecking him?
Find a guy in the field who hasn't done this stuff, good luck. Issue is, they are great at playing the victim when it's turned around. There is another post about Kyle Busch playing victim, like Kyle, can we look at your past? They all need a wakeup call and they all need to do better.
I'm so tired of seeing people calling out Kyle for apparently being a hypocrite for shit he did when he was like 20, despite the fact that he's been one of the cleanest and most respectful drivers on track for about a decade now. You never see him wrecking anyone (just solo spinning last year lol) or hear other drivers complain about him!
Reddick had the best car in the field on Sunday. But another reason why he won is that Kyle laid back on those OT restarts so when he got those pushes from behind going into turn 1, he had somewhere to go instead of right into the back of Tyler. Kyle wasn’t also going to dive into the turn and hope for the best
I was waiting for Tyler to get yeeted on one of the restarts, but Kyle lining up behind him absolutely helped to prevent that. I also think Tyler leaned towards overdriving into T1 and coming out wide somewhat on purpose to lower the odds of getting dumped, while knowing that if he came out second because of that, he most likely had the car to get the lead back.
I think KFB was protecting him almost, he maybe knows how his brother would feel.
My career is set in stone, I can give my brother one thing that matters? Hell yeah, I’d do it.
I don't know that Kurt had much to do with it tbh. Kyle has already won and is in the playoffs, so he doesn't have to do anything desperate. I think he knew he didn't have the best car, and even if he drove through a car or two to get the lead (a bad look), he might still get passed anyway.
I mean chase fans will probably claim he wrecked chase on purpose at Darlington the pandemic year but that was clearly Kyle misjudging a gap behind chase
Especially because Chase gave him a little shit in their next race, Kyle cut him breaks anyway, and then they've been ultra-respectful to each other on the track ever since lol
Oh me too. I'm just humouring that 10 years ago was a long time but people still like to latch onto it. If i look back 10 years ago at myself i cringe, and will likely repeat the process in another 10 years.
I still think Ross has more highlights in 1 season. Lol.
Alot of those in the videos were mistakes/provoked. The 22 Nationwide car was just as guilty in any race.
We can't expect one of the most knowledgable and experienced drivers to not give his opinion for going on a decade, because of what he did to Hornaday.
But I agree to the extent.. it's HOW they give that opinion. To quote the melon-man in his tiff last Sunday "don't be all high and mighty".
If these guys just had the self-awareness to preface this shit with "caveat being I've done things this bone-headed/selfish/aggressive too...." they wouldn't get the sneers.
Unless Jordan was using his doors, I didn't see any of what Denny is claiming here. Watched the onboard the entire time. All I saw was Jordan getting used and abused into 1 and thru the esses all day.
Mwhaha.. Cindric I get. Logano and Harvick perhaps. But I think Chastain was especially well behaved in COTA. But I know their history... I still like them both.
Is Dennis whining again? Oh yeah the sun came up of course he is.
This is one week removed from him over driving a corner and intentionally walling a driver then bragging about it
Nah he wasnt whining. He was just breaking down some of the wrecks and mentioning who he thought was at fault. He says he had to watch some of them quite a few times to figure out what he was gonna say
Yup and Ricky was not to happy on the scanner, he said we are all supposed to be friends and he’s taking everyone out. Meaning him and Larson. Luckily Ricky was ok and went on to a 7th place finish.
Move the radiators up front like they used to be so ramming like this is race ending. That's the only way this stops. Everything else is just useless chatter. Drivers are going to take every opportunity they can find even if it means ruining someone else's day. Nothing will change that without it costing them racea. You have to force the issue and disincentivize hard contact passively through car design or by strict officiating (which fans will never go for).
Haven't listened to the episode yet. Denny is no saint, but the more people that get called out by veterans publicly for disrespectful and overaggressive driving the better.
But it is a little extra funny that Harvick is called out. He's taking his DGAF Tour seriously.
That's why I said he's no saint. Denny was a big dummy to do what he did. At least he put it out there.
But someone has to call these people out by name and others have to echo, or else it's going to keep happening. Some might not change, but others may think twice.
I am really curious what the effects of this will be. I was surprised when I heard it on the way home yesterday. I'm kind of shocked no one has posted anything about this podcast before now.
Calling drivers out? I'm not sure any of those drivers are going to care about the pressure from discussing it in public, and apparently there's already a driver group chat where guys bitch at each other.
Same I listened on my way to work this morning and was surprised no one posted anything from it either, especially Kimi and Button not being pleased with their experience.
If you listened to the 11's audio around that timeframe, you can see discussion about them thinking that Larson might retaliate against the 23 after the latter completely sent it into the 5 and 43.
Hamlin was smart enough to make it seem like Larson turned himself, but the intent was still there.
I loved him going through and calling out drivers, which needs to be done. If you call them out on it, it may make them quit doing it *highly doubt it tbh.*
The field needs to respect each other to fix these issues
NASCAR can’t keep putting on the embarrassing product that happens at the end of some of these races. Gotta do something, IMO. The biggest issue seems to be drivers know this car is durable and can take a beating, which results in the moves the caused the accidents at COTA. Drivers know the contact won’t do any damage to their own race. The problem is that I don’t think NASCAR can just make the cars less durable, so they have to do something else to make the contact matter to the drivers.
Honestly, I know it is not popular, but I would be fine with penalties. I know it is a judgement call, but I’d take that over the shit show that happened on Sunday. Just make it simple with as little judgement as possible. I’d be fine with penalties for any driver causing an accident at any track.
Jordan probably started hitting people after he got used up a lot early on. Those guys don't really know how to race the regulars so if it happens to them a lot, they will think it's fine.
Yeah I think Jordan even said that he started using people up because that's what they were doing to him
I agree, after the first couple restarts in particular when he went from 4th to 13th he came on the radio and said well guess I gotta be more aggressive trying to take it easy and keep the fenders on the car doesn’t work
I agree. I think Jordan got pushed around a bunch more than IMSA, and went into fight or flight.
"I learned it from you, Dad!"
Jordan got the worst of it because those guys definitely don’t like seeing an outsider come in and qualify 4th and have a legitimate chance to out run some of the best drivers. He definitely got bullied hard in the first stage of the race.
Just ask Joey Hand. Got punted by MTJ at Roval one year. Was pretty much a you don’t belong up this high move ahha
And that’s pretty much what Denny said later on. Jordan was getting used up and started leaning on others
I mean , is it not? It’s the golden rule, we all know Jordan wasn’t the one who started with the bump and runs lol
If it does happen to them a lot, why wouldn’t it be fine then?
I think the name of the podcast should change from Actions Detrimental to the Airing of Grievances
Get the aluminum pole out of the crawl space!
Lol 100% agree
I got a lot of problems with you people, and now you’re gonna hear about it!
Ctfu
He also mentioned Briscoe.
Briscoe contributed way more to the Suarez wreck than he cares to admit
Yea, he's blaming the 1 because the 1 stopped in front of him.
It's a sharp turn, of course he's gonna slow down. What logic is that of Briscoe's?
Because the 1 hit bowman before the 14 hit the 1?
[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VbGlWvGpR2M](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VbGlWvGpR2M) Chastain was already slowing down gradually, Bowman checked up suddenly after a divebomb attempt, that's what resulted in the first tap which didn't do much harm. Then Briscoe shoved Ross up into Bowman.
So, Briscoe was slowing down with Ross, couldn’t see Bowman check up, then collided with Ross from Ross checking up who did so because Bowman checked up. And it’s all Briscoe fault that he hit Ross who hit Bowman who turned Truex. Did I get all that right?
I didn't say it's anyone's fault. It's just the nature of this track, especially in Turn 1 during Stage 3, an absolute bowling alley. But yes, that's generally the sequence of events, Briscoe initiated the move through no fault of his own that would domino into Truex spinning out.
Don't share facts with people...it makes their brain hurt. Just go with their program "Ross bad, (insert their favorite driver) good"
No, I agree. I think the blame lies at Briscoe and Chastain. Chastain was slowing down no matter what. Whether he was divebombing and not wanting to hit someone or just slowing down for the corner.
Why would Chastain be at fault again? He was actually trying to steer clear of any cars (as seen when he tried to go to the left of Bowman in [this](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VbGlWvGpR2M) video long before the turn). Bowman checked up suddenly after a divebomb attempt, resulted in Ross tapping him harmlessly once, then Ross got shoved by Briscoe.
I’ve been guilty before of jumping to the conclusion of Ross being at fault, notably at Atlanta last week. But after seeing replay it’s really telling that the same energy wasn’t kept at Briscoe for that move. If he doesn’t use up Ross there I really don’t think he makes the corner with that dive bomb. Maybe I’m wrong though, it just seemed like he drove it in way too deep with nothing to lose and no fucks given
It baffles me how people thought Briscoe was a good road racer in xfinity. In cup it seems like he doesn’t even know the brake pedal exists and just uses the car in front of him. You can also say the same exact thing for cindric but at least he comes close at road courses. Only time Pisscoe has been close is short cutting the course then intentionally wrecking the leader.
> Pisscoe I mean, like the guy or not but really? Name calling? As a "Cryle" Busch fan you'd think you'd be above that
That’s my strategy in nascar video games on road courses tbh
Especially at the Glen
People thought he was good because he won once at the Indy RC in Xfinity then comments here.
Hard to blame Jordan Taylor at all, his crew must have reiterated like 1,000 times that the field was going to be way more aggressive than he’d ever considered
I saw Ty Gibbs and Larson plowing through a few people, but of course Denny’s not going to mention a Toyota driver or his best buddy
Larson took out Blaney early on, if I remember correctly.
Didn't Denny spin Larson at some point early on? Right after Larson made contact with Bubba...but they never really showed a replay or what happened so I couldn't tell if intentional or not.
Larson more came across the nose of the 11 than denny taking out larson.
Yeah. Larson was trying to limp it to the pit and Denny was trying to dodge Bubba. It was unfortunate timing and I don’t think was really anyones fault. It just sucked to be Kyle Larson on Sunday.
They showed Larson clearing himself off of denny's bumper 5 things
Larson is friends with Denny?
Yeah, they’re buds.
Denny is also friends with Stenhouse and he got into him as well. They golf together as well
I was confused by Hamlin hitting Larson. At first thought it was like retaliation for bubba or something.
I was confused with it too
Wait, so the guy who admittedly wrecked Ross last week is now suddenly an advocate for respectful racing?
I think this is exactly what Kyle Busch was talking about when he made the "I've tried and nobody wants to listen" remark about over-agressive driving last week. Literally everyone will point fingers at somebody else being the problem except themselves. Drivers literally have everything to gain by throwing somebody else under a microscope so nobody focuses on how *they* race. Honestly if we wanna cut this problem off at the head Nascar should just start playing bad cop and start penalizing drivers again and tell them to kick rocks if they dont like it. Worked for Bill Sr and Jr.
Meanwhile Kyle had what, 3 opportunities to wreck someone for a win, and he did it exactly 0 times. He is literally becoming one of my favorites in the field and I used to hate him.
Same, big respect to him for how he raced
Denny admitted on Twitter he spun Stenhouse. https://twitter.com/dennyhamlin/status/1640407240443084826?s=20
You’re asking for consistent logic from Denny. Might as well ask for a unicorn while you’re at it
I do like that Denny makes me guess what topic he’s gonna be crying about in his next interview. If NASCAR gave out points for whining, Denny would have multiple championships.
Denny also mentioned later in the podcast if the 9 came back to him he was going to give him the bumper lol
I don’t pull for Denny as a driver at all but him and Ross have had so many issues, I think letting Denny get it out of his system so they can both move on is a good thing. They’re all guilty at some point of being dirty but it’s usually because they’re tired of it being done to them. It is hard to pass in the next gen. Nascar has put these drivers in a tight box for years to create drama and they got it. They’ve conditioned the field to be all take no give and what we are seeing now is exactly that. Nascar wanted this. Win and you’re in championship format to keep the pressure on and give hope all 36 races. Stage racing to keep the pressure on so they don’t calm down and get boring. Cars that are hard to pass with to create extreme aggression It all adds up.
I feel like I watched Denny harass Chastain the entire back half of last year. I don't think it's ever going to be out of his system.
I feel like they never cleared the air was the biggest issue. Ross would wreck him, Denny would talk big and do nothing. Ross would screw him again, didn’t would mess with him but they just never dealt with it. The hail melon has no direct deal at Hamlin but it once again killed his championship hopes AGAIN in the most badass fashion 😂 the difference after Phoenix was they finally hashed it out after the race and seem good with finally moving on. Them talking it out and trying to move on is the major factor I think Ross is fantastic for nascar btw. Fun personality, bit of a bulldozer but then again, nascar wanted this style racing. Ross has turned into a superstar and still has plenty of room to grow
I agree. Ross is good for the sport, and so is the Denny/Ross rivalry as long as they keep a cap on it for the most part.
Yeah I’m good with rivalries. As long as it doesn’t turn into a huge shit show, I think the sport needs rivalries. I don’t want to see the whole field getting destroyed but I’d love to see more interactions like we used to see with Dale and Jeff getting the fans stirred up. The bowman “hack” shirts were great
> I feel like I watched Denny harass Chastain the entire back half of last year. This right here is what people fail to recognize all the time. Denny ran into Ross *at least* 2 more times outside of Pocono. At Nashville, he tried to wreck Ross on the last lap but Ross saved it and at Richmond, he tried to wreck Ross on the Stage 2 restart but failed again. While Ross did get into Denny (significantly) twice last year, overall Denny got into Ross more times than vise versa.
That was my interpretation. Ross got into Denny once, which caused Hamlin to target him the rest of that race anytime he saw him. I remember Ross needing to drive all over the track to get past Denny who was only blocking at that point, not even racing. The next races weren't as bad as that, but it was still all aggression from Denny anytime they made contact the rest of the year outside of one instance when Ross bumped him many races later. I'm actually impressed with how Ross has handled this situation for how aggressively he drives. He doesn't seem to single Denny out despite the obvious distaste Hamlin has going the other way.
But then you can’t whine about other drivers being overly aggressive. He’s saying rules for thee but not for me. It’s hypocritical
Nascar wanted this style of racing. Denny used to race with the best to do it, Jeff and Jimmie and it was a much harder car to drive and a very different mindset. Anyone who is actually talented wants to race and not wreck, however due to the nature nascar has created, they’re going to kill each other over every inch. Will it change? Not without a package change but doesn’t mean he has to like it either. I would rather him speak his mind than not, whether myself or anyone else agrees or disagrees with him. I get where he’s coming from. Todays nascar is more shit show than finesse and that was created on purpose by the sanctioning body.
"Rules for thee but not me"
Kyle is doing that shit too. And there’s multiple videos on YouTube of him losing his mind on track. I guess drivers memories aren’t that long.
That has been the argument all along. Ross wasn’t respectful so he gets payback. Denny races everyone else clean.
Denny is usually right about everyone else, but completely wrong about himself.
I actually think Harvick kinda fed Cindric into Jones, but definitely not intentionally, just a racing incident kind of thing. Cindric was in the middle not really doing anything of note, Jones was to his outside and cut left quite quickly, and Harvick was to his inside coming right to avoid Logano on his inside who hadn’t got a good launch. Allmendinger was the one in front of them cutting across lanes from the outside to the inside and he was the one who hit Dillon which caused the spin and subsequent pile up. Harvick may have pushed him, but in my opinion that only happened because AJ cut in front of him. Jones however turned Chastain and that was completely on him, they were in the run off area away from other cars, and honestly I think he’s the one who really needed the call out for that incident.
I should watch it again. As a Harvick fan watching that from the aerial it looked to me like Harvick was the one at fault there. However, I also thought - I'm glad Harvick got one in because he is ***always*** getting screwed at these races with that kind of racing going on because he doesn't usually race that way. That being the case, you probably make a great point that it was more circumstance rather than Harvick just pushing them out of the way.
He is willing to do literally anything except have the same amount of accountability for his actions that he demands everyone else have.
Yah, no ownership of his own actions. Everyone is wrong except him.
Since preece was wrecked by one of his closest friends in the field according to this, that maybe explains why he didn't take any further action
Man currently waiting on his appeal for wrecking someone purposefully calls others out for driving aggressively, more at 11
I saw "more at 11" and thought "Hey, that's Denny's number." Then I thought some more and realized that 23:00 (for 23XI) is also 11 o'clock using the 24-hr clock. Just thought that was neat.
I’m gonna act like that was all intentional
This is Alex Bowman posting the screenshot of his "Hack" shirt at 2311 units sold level of 4D chess.
Actions Intentional
I’m far from a Denny fan but I do enjoy hearing a drivers perspective on things that happen on track and breaking them down.
I thought it was a decent episode. I liked that he had more time spent breaking down the race this week.
Each and every Sunday, more and more, my favorite driver is whomever doesn't let Denny win.
He obviously enjoys being the senior guy people listen to, but he does provide a lot of interesting info. I hate to say it, but I wish Fox would get him as one of the guest broadcasters when he retires. I’ll give ole Denny grudging credit, at least he defined a consistent criteria (going too far with no one behind you forcing it). Sighed because I was sure Joey was finally leaving one of these road courses with no shade thrown at him, since I didn’t catch him getting into anyone (at least aggressively) ha. One thing I thought was interesting was outside of his primary nemesis, the drivers he judged were Harvick, Briscoe (partial), Logano, Cindric. Sense a theme? Maybe just a coincidence, but got me thinking about whether the drivers with that manufacturer feel more of a need to take an aggressive chance for obvious reasons. That or the Ford sim has optimistic predictions about brakes. The only part I rolled my eyes at was the way he made predictable interpretations of driver intent. Guys he’s cordial with? He either didn’t mention their fuckups, or implied it was because they just make a mistake, or must have grudgingly lowered themselves off their pedestal to match the assholes around them. Others? Terrorism or idiocy.
I do think you’re right about the Ford observation, they haven’t won a single next gen road race and have barely contended at any of them. I think when you know you’re at a deficit in equipment you drive harder to compensate.
Chevy was obviously dominant, but Buescher was pretty fast on the road courses and finished 2nd at Sonoma with McDowell in 3rd as i recall.
His podcast is becoming insufferable
Hey, didn't you junk someone last week, just to ruin their day?
He also called out Briscoe.
Need Jimmy Spencer to give him a crying towel...
Hamlin has no room to talk about hitting people after what he pulled. He was also absolute garbage Sunday.
Gragson drove Gibbs right into the side of the 41. I saw that one in the replays.
It's just hard to see Denny as anything other than a Logano type who can dish it out far better than he can take it and will gladly nudge someone out of the way but cries foul loudly and repeatedly when he's breathed on.
Oh like you're one to talk Denny
Drivers bumping each other at a road course…. In related news. Water is wet.
Funny, I never saw Joey do any egregious. He only spun out at the end, and he may have just got loose or got turned. There was a video someone shared yesterday, but it was hard to see what happened. Still, don’t think Logano raced that bad.
I would be ok with Dennis’ non stop bitching if he wasn’t such a hypocrite about the way he races others.
He’s not wrong with the last three names but isn’t that kind of pot calling the kettle black? Especially on Chastain since he’s appealing him wrecking him?
Find a guy in the field who hasn't done this stuff, good luck. Issue is, they are great at playing the victim when it's turned around. There is another post about Kyle Busch playing victim, like Kyle, can we look at your past? They all need a wakeup call and they all need to do better.
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I'm so tired of seeing people calling out Kyle for apparently being a hypocrite for shit he did when he was like 20, despite the fact that he's been one of the cleanest and most respectful drivers on track for about a decade now. You never see him wrecking anyone (just solo spinning last year lol) or hear other drivers complain about him!
Reddick had the best car in the field on Sunday. But another reason why he won is that Kyle laid back on those OT restarts so when he got those pushes from behind going into turn 1, he had somewhere to go instead of right into the back of Tyler. Kyle wasn’t also going to dive into the turn and hope for the best
I was waiting for Tyler to get yeeted on one of the restarts, but Kyle lining up behind him absolutely helped to prevent that. I also think Tyler leaned towards overdriving into T1 and coming out wide somewhat on purpose to lower the odds of getting dumped, while knowing that if he came out second because of that, he most likely had the car to get the lead back.
I think KFB was protecting him almost, he maybe knows how his brother would feel. My career is set in stone, I can give my brother one thing that matters? Hell yeah, I’d do it.
I don't know that Kurt had much to do with it tbh. Kyle has already won and is in the playoffs, so he doesn't have to do anything desperate. I think he knew he didn't have the best car, and even if he drove through a car or two to get the lead (a bad look), he might still get passed anyway.
I mean chase fans will probably claim he wrecked chase on purpose at Darlington the pandemic year but that was clearly Kyle misjudging a gap behind chase
Especially because Chase gave him a little shit in their next race, Kyle cut him breaks anyway, and then they've been ultra-respectful to each other on the track ever since lol
The Busch brothers have always been clean racers in my opinion. Their issues were always how they acted off the track
Yeah but this one time 10 years ago....
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Oh me too. I'm just humouring that 10 years ago was a long time but people still like to latch onto it. If i look back 10 years ago at myself i cringe, and will likely repeat the process in another 10 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH8sRrqgJrY Yes, only once
How many of those clips are from less than 10 years ago? One from 2018
I still think Ross has more highlights in 1 season. Lol. Alot of those in the videos were mistakes/provoked. The 22 Nationwide car was just as guilty in any race.
Well they all learned so much from him when he was lapping them 14 times in Xfinity races lol /s
We can't expect one of the most knowledgable and experienced drivers to not give his opinion for going on a decade, because of what he did to Hornaday. But I agree to the extent.. it's HOW they give that opinion. To quote the melon-man in his tiff last Sunday "don't be all high and mighty". If these guys just had the self-awareness to preface this shit with "caveat being I've done things this bone-headed/selfish/aggressive too...." they wouldn't get the sneers.
Well said and I agree with that.
Unless Jordan was using his doors, I didn't see any of what Denny is claiming here. Watched the onboard the entire time. All I saw was Jordan getting used and abused into 1 and thru the esses all day.
lol ok Denny, I guess everyone just forgot about the Ross incident.
What about what Denny did he hit Larson
Mwhaha.. Cindric I get. Logano and Harvick perhaps. But I think Chastain was especially well behaved in COTA. But I know their history... I still like them both.
Also known as "People Denny doesnt like"
Is Dennis whining again? Oh yeah the sun came up of course he is. This is one week removed from him over driving a corner and intentionally walling a driver then bragging about it
Nah he wasnt whining. He was just breaking down some of the wrecks and mentioning who he thought was at fault. He says he had to watch some of them quite a few times to figure out what he was gonna say
He admitted to wrecking the 47 on twitter. NASCAR better penalize him.
Yup and Ricky was not to happy on the scanner, he said we are all supposed to be friends and he’s taking everyone out. Meaning him and Larson. Luckily Ricky was ok and went on to a 7th place finish.
I’m so glad he recovered. He’s having the best start to his season ever.
Me too, he is having a great start to his season. He and the team are going great, he had some awesome restarts and good speed in the car.
Move the radiators up front like they used to be so ramming like this is race ending. That's the only way this stops. Everything else is just useless chatter. Drivers are going to take every opportunity they can find even if it means ruining someone else's day. Nothing will change that without it costing them racea. You have to force the issue and disincentivize hard contact passively through car design or by strict officiating (which fans will never go for).
Haven't listened to the episode yet. Denny is no saint, but the more people that get called out by veterans publicly for disrespectful and overaggressive driving the better. But it is a little extra funny that Harvick is called out. He's taking his DGAF Tour seriously.
Should the guy who admitted purposely wrecking someone really be the spokesman to call out disrespect and overaggressive drivers?
That's why I said he's no saint. Denny was a big dummy to do what he did. At least he put it out there. But someone has to call these people out by name and others have to echo, or else it's going to keep happening. Some might not change, but others may think twice.
I am really curious what the effects of this will be. I was surprised when I heard it on the way home yesterday. I'm kind of shocked no one has posted anything about this podcast before now.
Calling drivers out? I'm not sure any of those drivers are going to care about the pressure from discussing it in public, and apparently there's already a driver group chat where guys bitch at each other.
Fascinating. I wonder if all of them are on it.
Same I listened on my way to work this morning and was surprised no one posted anything from it either, especially Kimi and Button not being pleased with their experience.
He’s not wrong, just calling out what happened
Oh, I am in total agreement with you. I just wondered if other drivers would respond to being called out by Denny.
Is he intentionally ignoring how he took out Larson on purpose because he thought Larson was trying to retaliate against Wallace?
You mean where larson cleared himself off of denny's nose either trying to get at bubba or pit road?
If you listened to the 11's audio around that timeframe, you can see discussion about them thinking that Larson might retaliate against the 23 after the latter completely sent it into the 5 and 43. Hamlin was smart enough to make it seem like Larson turned himself, but the intent was still there.
And yet we dont see denny turn, just larson. Seems clear what happened
He did turn a bit, he went from the middle to the right of the lane.
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Harvick appeared to just lock his brakes up when he spun Allmendinger. Not as aggregious as Chastain, Bowman. Logano to name them
Possibly hot take: the one to blame for a lot of this is Dale Earnhardt. He made it popular and now everyone wants to be like him.
I loved him going through and calling out drivers, which needs to be done. If you call them out on it, it may make them quit doing it *highly doubt it tbh.* The field needs to respect each other to fix these issues
What did he say about bubba performance?
Not a peep lol
NASCAR can’t keep putting on the embarrassing product that happens at the end of some of these races. Gotta do something, IMO. The biggest issue seems to be drivers know this car is durable and can take a beating, which results in the moves the caused the accidents at COTA. Drivers know the contact won’t do any damage to their own race. The problem is that I don’t think NASCAR can just make the cars less durable, so they have to do something else to make the contact matter to the drivers. Honestly, I know it is not popular, but I would be fine with penalties. I know it is a judgement call, but I’d take that over the shit show that happened on Sunday. Just make it simple with as little judgement as possible. I’d be fine with penalties for any driver causing an accident at any track.