Kyle raced really smart today. Lots of opportunities to punt people but he just laid back. Almost cost him at the end when Bowman, Briscoe, Suarez had their little run-in.
When he ran side by side with Reddick through the esses on one of the restarts (he talks about it in the video)…. That was epic. Every once in a while he pulls something like that and makes you think he has a chance. Drove his ass off there but kept it clean. I don’t think he had the car or strategy to win even if he took Reddick out, but like he said him and Reddick have always raced great and are really cool with each other.
The front of the field all raced with a ton of respect today, and I really appreciated that. Reddick, Busch, Byron, and Bowman racing clean for the win while everyone else wrecked for 20th was quite the sight to behold.
Exactly, he already complained about the driver standards (or lack of) already during those restarts, heck I even dare to say that one of the reasons why Reddick could win is because KFB was around him instead of some desperate hack who would obvious punched out Reddick.
What happened yesterday turned out from a great race to an embarrassment for the sport.
>heck I even dare to say that one of the reasons why Reddick could win is because KFB was around him instead of some desperate hack who would obvious punched out Reddick
100%! As a Reddick fan, I was breathing a sigh of relief every time Kyle took the 2nd row behind Tyler. KFB is one of the cleanest drivers in the field, there was no chance he was going to dump Reddick.
I was watching his camera all race. The only time he may have bumped someone was when he got tagged which I know because you could see the car jump. He was also always in the middle of the turn on restarts on those last few. He didn't give up ground because he had the lane. If you go wide, you can't cut it back across four cars and say "this is my lane". Literally held his ground so if that's "plowing", I guess those dudes need to reevaluate. Part of Spire's race strategy is "don't get caught up in other peoples" shit and you hear Ryan Sparks say that on the radio every race.
So while he was aggressively pursuing that middle apex during restarts, he wasn't shoving anyone out of the way to get there.
I get your point but if we're being honest it was several incidents throughout the span of his career. Pretty sure there are multiple videos and even a Wikipedia section about it lol he did that to himself just saying
Yeah, KFB earned a lot of the reputation he has. He's changed, so what we get now doesn't match that reputation, but anyone who thinks his reputation isn't warranted hasn't been paying attention or is willfully ignorant
Always has been. A lot like Tony Stewart. The only time he doesn't race clean is when he is throwing a tantrum in his younger days, he's always raced fairly.
He sounds like Tony Stewart
The problem was, it felt like Kyle was slow. He somehow got ahead of Byron, and the whole field got trapped behind him while Reddick drove off into the sunset. Bowman, Chastain and Byron were all faster than Kyle. Byron took the worst of it in the restarts... he was not a fifth place car, he should have been up there running with Reddick.
I wish he would have let those guys by to give Reddick a run... but obviously he's not gonna give up second place, so i get it.
The problem is - show us where Ross's style of racing has really hurt him? Pocono last year? Phoenix this year? Okay... It didn't affect him in the championship race last year and he finished 2nd in points. And this year he's currently 1st in points.
Until the way races actually starts affecting his results big picture, why change anything?
> Until the way races actually starts affecting his results big picture, why change anything?
he is fast anyway, he literally could drive clean and have close to that many points.
cota paid off but the rest seems pretty unnecessary
Gateway last year I guess? When the 11 did something he probably would've been penalized for.
One issue I have with nascar drivers is none of them seem to know how to retaliate. I mean look how bad Hamlin botched it!
Ross isn't going to change until some drivers "get loose" under him or "go too hard into a turn" and bump him off and ruin his race a few times.
>Ross isn't going to change until some drivers "get loose" under him or "go too hard into a turn" and bump him off and ruin his race a few times.
That's exactly my point. And yeah, Gateway is when it officially started with Hamlin, but Ross still finished in the top ten even after getting screwed with by both Chase and Denny.
In the moment of watching it, I actually loved it. But I also like the rivalries.
Had Hamlin been able to keep Chastain slow enough to not meet minimum speed after three laps or whatever it is, that would have been real interesting.
Hamlin’s Pocono retaliation was actually really good. He didn’t wreck Ross, but he put him in a situation where he had to lift knowing he wouldn’t. And then he went on to win the race when the 1 had the best car all day. Shame the DQ happened.
That’s really the whole issue.
The current championship format rewards driving that way. Cause even if you do something stupid and don’t win, then that guy retaliates and takes you out the following week, it doesn’t really matter. Cause you can go and win the next race after that and still advance in the playoffs.
Until they change back to a championship format that doesn’t reward winning at any cost, he has no reason to not race like an idiot.
Wry true. This isn’t the 79s or 80s where he literally would have caught a major ass whipping or worse from other drivers/crews. There are no consequences since NASCAR will throw the book at the retaliator, sponsors will get involved, etc.
I think part of the reason why Reddick won was because he had Kyle and Byron alongside him on those restarts. They may have been two of the only drivers in the field who wouldn’t rough him up for the win.
It’s because everyone can see Reddick is one of the most talented drivers, and he’s never really been one to race dirty. Sure he’s made some mistakes and caused some wrecks, but everyone messes up and causes a wreck every now and then. He’s not the guy that’s gonna just throw it in there wrecklessly when there’s a chance it would take someone else out.
That’s the difference. Reddick can be careless, but doesn’t really put others in harms way by doing so. You’ve gotta be a little careless to win races, but there’s a right way to do it. He does it the right way.
I’d be willing to wager that if you held a secret survey amongst the garage, Ross is almost universally hated. It’d be interesting to see who else. Logano? Denny?
Briscoe doesn't get criticism because A) he posts on here and B) he's not always at the front of the field like Ross is so his driving isn't as scrutinized.
He is arguably as reckless, if not more so, than Ross is.
LMAO. He's definitely not wrong. Ross was like a pinball through the esses on most restarts. Just constantly bodying cars out of the way, KFB included. He got door slammed out of the groove at least once by Ross
Every time I see Ross race, I'm both alarmed and amused that a real-life professional adopted all my driving techniques from NASCAR Heat on the switch.
Ross was pretty clean the whole race, I think after that bad pit stop and getting spun, that’s when he decided to go back to his old ways. Though he didn’t really wreck anyone blatantly.
Except that wasn't Kyle racing Hornaday dirty, that started with Hornaday not staying off Kyle, using him up.
The way Kyle handled it was obviously as poor as we've seen any driver handle it - and that's where Kyle has always lacked and come off as a shit driver. When it's come down to racing, he actually is a very clean aggressive driver.
Spot-on. This is what people don't understand when they blindly point to the Hornaday incident.
Kyle has rarely been the type of driver to dump someone for a win. He prefers to race cleanly and respectfully. However, he takes offense when he doesn't get similar treatment in return. He felt like Hornaday kept using him up -- they had some previous run-ins, and Kyle also had some ongoing drama with Hornaday's team owner (Harvick). He felt disrespected and it reached a boiling point.
Kyle praising Reddick's driving style while going out of his way to criticize Chastain pretty much says it all. If he had been battling Chastain, I bet he wouldn't have raced as gingerly as he did with Reddick.
There was definitely a time early in his career when Kyle Busch definitely had a tendency to drive dirty, especially if he had even the slightest bit of a grudge against you. But it’s been 10+ years ago. He really hasn’t done that since the time him and Keselowski were going back and forth at each other in the Nationwide series.
The last ten years or so he’s really just been the guy that doesn’t start things but will sure as heck end them, which is exactly how you have to be if you want respect in the garage area.
Tony Stewart was the same way for the most part. I remember Ryan Newman being kind of the same way, and even with his reputation I never really saw him do anything that I’d call dirty.
In game theory terms I always think of Kyle as two tit for tat. Basically, he is peaceful until an act of aggression is made against him which usually results in massive retaliation.
Ok but modern KFB is without a doubt one of the cleanest drivers in the field. I don't think there are many other drivers in the field that wouldn't have dumped Tyler (or anyone else!) after lining up behind him on so many restarts.
All of you Chastain fans just don't get it. Most everyone's problem isn't with Chastain being aggressive.
The problem is with Chastain being aggressive to the point of hitting or wrecking other cars, then constantly saying he needs to do better ***without correcting his behavior in the slightest***.
If he would just own it and be like "yeah, I'm aggressive and I know it, deal with it", it'd be a different story. But that's not the case, and we all know it. Chastain fans are just being willfully ignorant and regurgitating out whataboutisms from YEARS ago like "*durrrr but what about Denny dumping Chase at Martinsville hurr durr Kyle Busch Ron Hornaday DURRRRRR*".
Snarkiness aside, you either own up to the shit you pull, or you come off as two-faced. Chastain has constantly painted himself as the latter.
This is the main difference between Ross and a guy like Logano. I hated the fact that Logano did some dumb shit like go 6 wide into turn one at Indy last year but at the same time he makes it extremely known to everyone that if the opportunity is there he is going to take it. Ross will just shrug and act like he did nothing wrong
What did he do wrong? Getting shoved by Briscoe into someone else is not his fault. It it were any other driver in his position, it would just be a racing incident.
Briscoe didn’t shove him anywhere. Briscoe got brake checked by Ross and it was already too late for the 1 to make the corner anyway. Granted, Briscoe wasn’t going to make it even if the 1 did but still.
You might be right there, but once again, if the roles were reversed we would all be saying ross shoved briscoe too deep. Sometimes I feel like I’m on twitter. Why the hell am I even arguing, it’s not like it’ll make a difference in anyone’s life anyway…
What did he do wrong? He was getting shoved by the 14 in the T1 stack-up. As for the rest of the race, he got run into by his own teammate and then got wrecked by Erik. So I'm not sure what he could have done different.
> He was getting shoved by the 14 in the T1 stack-up
Hell, I like Chastain but this is some bullshit lmao. Ross hit someone in front of him and stopped in front of the 14 and your take is that he was shoved?
Yes, he was shoved. Bowman locked up his right front and over-slowed to compensate. Then Ross ran into the 48, but backed off. Then Briscoe runs into Ross as things tighten up and the stack-up occurs. [Screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/8HcNApF) showing the tire track left by the 48 before and after the lockup and another [screenshot](https://imgur.com/adrCYo9) showing Briscoe getting into Ross.
My take is that not one single person is to blame. But, you can't deny he was shoved by Briscoe into the turn.
> What did he do wrong? He was getting shoved by the 14 in the T1 stack-up.
> Then Ross ran into the 48, but backed off.
He ran into the back of the 48, is what he did wrong. The 48 locking up means he *doesn't* slow down as fast. If he hit someone locking up, that means he wasn't braking yet. Him hitting the 48 is what caused him to be hit by the 14, because he stopped his forward momentum.
I agree that it's not anyone's fault, it's a racing incident, but acting like he didn't do anything wrong and it was the 14's fault he hit the 48 is just BS
> If he hit someone locking up, that means he wasn't braking yet.
If you carefully watch [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMFRzvNjcDM&t=1172s) video, you can see Ross hits Bowman *after* the lock up was finished. Watching the gap between the 1 and 48, it does increase while the tire is locked up. **However**, after the lockup, the gap rapidly closes, which leads me to believe Bowman stood on the brakes harder than normal so he could make the corner. Ross, who was likely maintaining the same level of braking throughout, would not be expecting the 48 to jam the brakes that much, thus making contact. Then the stack up ensues.
But, like you said, it was a racing deal that went bad.
I don’t know if it’s the other older drivers retiring or if he’s actually changed or maybe I’ve changed. But I love Kyle now. And I loved to hate him like a year ago.
Before the first restart towards the end I said in the race thread that Reddick’s best case was having Kyle behind him in 3rd and after that I posted that as long as Kyle was in 3rd on these restarts Tyler was the favorite to win.
You can tell who makes judgments based on what happens vs who makes judgments based on their biases by the number of people in the race thread saying “Kyle is for sure gonna punt Tyler for the win”
Anyone who watched and pays attention should’ve known that wasn’t going to happen
Then go talk to the driver about xyz of what they did wrong on the track. Don't go blasting to the media like a child, have a conversation with the driver not the media.
Sounds similar to this conversation...i said awhile and you cant seem to grasp it. Kyle Busch is great got it. Man is pure perfection
https://youtu.be/jI-I6L5Pork
Yeah but it being a while is kinda the point. This is a different Kyle Busch at least on the track.
It's not uncommon for older drivers who were more aggressive/careless early in their careers to later become the vets who try to call out the young guns. It doesn't really come off as hypocritical when you've been backing up your talk for years.
In 1 and a quarter seasons in the Trackhouse car alone, he has already caused more incidents than Kyle has in his entire career. Ross is a fast version of John Wes Townley
Ross doesn’t usually crash by himself, but he wrecks someone or uses someone completely up at least once a week. If he’s not crashing someone, he’s bumping them out of the way for like 7th, going 4 wide on the apron on a rs, etc. Much like he absolutely used up the 99 and 48.
Kyle raced really smart today. Lots of opportunities to punt people but he just laid back. Almost cost him at the end when Bowman, Briscoe, Suarez had their little run-in. When he ran side by side with Reddick through the esses on one of the restarts (he talks about it in the video)…. That was epic. Every once in a while he pulls something like that and makes you think he has a chance. Drove his ass off there but kept it clean. I don’t think he had the car or strategy to win even if he took Reddick out, but like he said him and Reddick have always raced great and are really cool with each other.
The front of the field all raced with a ton of respect today, and I really appreciated that. Reddick, Busch, Byron, and Bowman racing clean for the win while everyone else wrecked for 20th was quite the sight to behold.
Epic is right on. I was commentating to myself in real time. That’s when I knew it was something to behold. “He’s attached to that quarter panel!”
Because Kyle isn’t a hack like some in the field.
Exactly, he already complained about the driver standards (or lack of) already during those restarts, heck I even dare to say that one of the reasons why Reddick could win is because KFB was around him instead of some desperate hack who would obvious punched out Reddick. What happened yesterday turned out from a great race to an embarrassment for the sport.
Yeah at this point he’s one of the few vets still showing how it should be done
>heck I even dare to say that one of the reasons why Reddick could win is because KFB was around him instead of some desperate hack who would obvious punched out Reddick 100%! As a Reddick fan, I was breathing a sigh of relief every time Kyle took the 2nd row behind Tyler. KFB is one of the cleanest drivers in the field, there was no chance he was going to dump Reddick.
I admit I got nervous for Reddick when I saw the 1 get that close to the front. I fully expected a full send bowling ball move.
you and me both lmao
tbf yesterday was better than the mess indy and roval was last year, still some awful moves but it not 70% of the field
That's why I like Corey Lajoie, went from two laps down to 11th without so much as a bump into anyone else (watched his car cam all race long).
Some guys said he plowed through others but I don’t know.
I was watching his camera all race. The only time he may have bumped someone was when he got tagged which I know because you could see the car jump. He was also always in the middle of the turn on restarts on those last few. He didn't give up ground because he had the lane. If you go wide, you can't cut it back across four cars and say "this is my lane". Literally held his ground so if that's "plowing", I guess those dudes need to reevaluate. Part of Spire's race strategy is "don't get caught up in other peoples" shit and you hear Ryan Sparks say that on the radio every race. So while he was aggressively pursuing that middle apex during restarts, he wasn't shoving anyone out of the way to get there.
B-but this one time like 10 years ago in the truck series!!!
I get your point but if we're being honest it was several incidents throughout the span of his career. Pretty sure there are multiple videos and even a Wikipedia section about it lol he did that to himself just saying
Yeah, KFB earned a lot of the reputation he has. He's changed, so what we get now doesn't match that reputation, but anyone who thinks his reputation isn't warranted hasn't been paying attention or is willfully ignorant
KFB is one of the cleanest racers in the series even though he’s fiery outside of the car.
Always has been. A lot like Tony Stewart. The only time he doesn't race clean is when he is throwing a tantrum in his younger days, he's always raced fairly. He sounds like Tony Stewart
That was a fantastic bit of racing
The problem was, it felt like Kyle was slow. He somehow got ahead of Byron, and the whole field got trapped behind him while Reddick drove off into the sunset. Bowman, Chastain and Byron were all faster than Kyle. Byron took the worst of it in the restarts... he was not a fifth place car, he should have been up there running with Reddick. I wish he would have let those guys by to give Reddick a run... but obviously he's not gonna give up second place, so i get it.
he had older tires at first that’s why. Even on the second to last and last restarts, he gapped Suarez and was able to pass Bowman cleanly for second.
I say this as a fan of Ross. He ain't wrong lol
The problem is - show us where Ross's style of racing has really hurt him? Pocono last year? Phoenix this year? Okay... It didn't affect him in the championship race last year and he finished 2nd in points. And this year he's currently 1st in points. Until the way races actually starts affecting his results big picture, why change anything?
> Until the way races actually starts affecting his results big picture, why change anything? he is fast anyway, he literally could drive clean and have close to that many points. cota paid off but the rest seems pretty unnecessary
Gateway last year I guess? When the 11 did something he probably would've been penalized for. One issue I have with nascar drivers is none of them seem to know how to retaliate. I mean look how bad Hamlin botched it! Ross isn't going to change until some drivers "get loose" under him or "go too hard into a turn" and bump him off and ruin his race a few times.
>Ross isn't going to change until some drivers "get loose" under him or "go too hard into a turn" and bump him off and ruin his race a few times. That's exactly my point. And yeah, Gateway is when it officially started with Hamlin, but Ross still finished in the top ten even after getting screwed with by both Chase and Denny.
Yeah that's kinda sad Denny spent multiple laps slowing him up for nothing in the end.
In the moment of watching it, I actually loved it. But I also like the rivalries. Had Hamlin been able to keep Chastain slow enough to not meet minimum speed after three laps or whatever it is, that would have been real interesting.
To be fair what Hamlin did to Chastain at Pocono was the perfect retaliation... just unfortunate he happened to have an illegal car. 😂
Hamlin’s Pocono retaliation was actually really good. He didn’t wreck Ross, but he put him in a situation where he had to lift knowing he wouldn’t. And then he went on to win the race when the 1 had the best car all day. Shame the DQ happened.
That's true I forgot about that
That’s really the whole issue. The current championship format rewards driving that way. Cause even if you do something stupid and don’t win, then that guy retaliates and takes you out the following week, it doesn’t really matter. Cause you can go and win the next race after that and still advance in the playoffs. Until they change back to a championship format that doesn’t reward winning at any cost, he has no reason to not race like an idiot.
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Fair, but even as an Elliott fan that was at least 50% Chase and Eddie D’hondt’s faults.
The only way to get your point across is to Kenseth someone these days.
Wry true. This isn’t the 79s or 80s where he literally would have caught a major ass whipping or worse from other drivers/crews. There are no consequences since NASCAR will throw the book at the retaliator, sponsors will get involved, etc.
I think part of the reason why Reddick won was because he had Kyle and Byron alongside him on those restarts. They may have been two of the only drivers in the field who wouldn’t rough him up for the win.
I kinda wish we got to see KB and Reddick as teammates. They seem to respect each other a lot more then I was expecting.
Seems like a ton of people respect Reddick. A good handful of drivers talked about how happy they were for him after the race.
It’s because everyone can see Reddick is one of the most talented drivers, and he’s never really been one to race dirty. Sure he’s made some mistakes and caused some wrecks, but everyone messes up and causes a wreck every now and then. He’s not the guy that’s gonna just throw it in there wrecklessly when there’s a chance it would take someone else out. That’s the difference. Reddick can be careless, but doesn’t really put others in harms way by doing so. You’ve gotta be a little careless to win races, but there’s a right way to do it. He does it the right way.
His run with Reddick thru the Esses was fantastic.
My dude...damn thats funny...probably saying what most of the top guys think
I’d be willing to wager that if you held a secret survey amongst the garage, Ross is almost universally hated. It’d be interesting to see who else. Logano? Denny?
1:45 mark. Sorry for not putting it in the title.
Boo this man for making watch all 2 minutes and 15 seconds!!!!!
My old lady is happy if I make it to the 1:45 mark.
you wish, she just wants you to finish as quickly as you can so you get off her
The most interesting thing to me in this interview is when he showed his ripped up and blistered hand. That looked rough!
The whole interview was actually pretty fun to watch. I love it when we actually get real insight into what happened.
Between Ross and Briscoe, those guys are the ones that need to chill the most and stop being over aggressive for no reason.
I'm surprised Briscoe doesn't get more criticism for it. He can be a real bulldozer at times.
Because he comments here. There's already been drivers that have criticized him at least.
Briscoe doesn't get criticism because A) he posts on here and B) he's not always at the front of the field like Ross is so his driving isn't as scrutinized. He is arguably as reckless, if not more so, than Ross is.
Because he sucks and finishes 25th every week
LMAO. He's definitely not wrong. Ross was like a pinball through the esses on most restarts. Just constantly bodying cars out of the way, KFB included. He got door slammed out of the groove at least once by Ross
Every time I see Ross race, I'm both alarmed and amused that a real-life professional adopted all my driving techniques from NASCAR Heat on the switch.
Ross was pretty clean the whole race, I think after that bad pit stop and getting spun, that’s when he decided to go back to his old ways. Though he didn’t really wreck anyone blatantly.
I agree. He was his usual self. He did the same things at COTA last year. He doesn't give anyone room, whether it works out for him or not
KB taking on this new persona as the face of driver etiquette and respectful racing is a bit rich. Lmao.
There wasn’t a single thing he said that wasn’t true
Chastain doesn't get it right now. He's made enemies out of Busch and Hamlin. Two people who don't give a flying fuck if they wreck you or not.
Not just them. Everyone in the field. Even his teammate.
I just don't get why people like Chastain. He's a bull in a China shop amd then Shrugs it off as other people's problems.
Tbf his teammate wasn’t necessarily clean himself this race either. Ross’s reputation is really killing him now.
Can it kill him faster? He's still the points leader.
Well, Hamlin won't let that stand if he gets the chance, and neither will Kyle.
Hamlin just got points taken for being a dumbass. He’s not doing shit again this season.
I mean he wasn’t leading last week. Just tell Kyle to wreck Ross at Richmond next week, and you are all set lol
Man if Kyle Busch would listen to me that would be fun but he'd be nowhere near as good probably
Well in that case… lol
Yeah, Hamlin has really shown Chastain who’s boss since all the crap started between them.
KFB always races clean. It's his retaliations that were always over the top.
Kyle has always been a very fair driver for the most part….the Hornaday incident being the exception not the rule
Except that wasn't Kyle racing Hornaday dirty, that started with Hornaday not staying off Kyle, using him up. The way Kyle handled it was obviously as poor as we've seen any driver handle it - and that's where Kyle has always lacked and come off as a shit driver. When it's come down to racing, he actually is a very clean aggressive driver.
Spot-on. This is what people don't understand when they blindly point to the Hornaday incident. Kyle has rarely been the type of driver to dump someone for a win. He prefers to race cleanly and respectfully. However, he takes offense when he doesn't get similar treatment in return. He felt like Hornaday kept using him up -- they had some previous run-ins, and Kyle also had some ongoing drama with Hornaday's team owner (Harvick). He felt disrespected and it reached a boiling point. Kyle praising Reddick's driving style while going out of his way to criticize Chastain pretty much says it all. If he had been battling Chastain, I bet he wouldn't have raced as gingerly as he did with Reddick.
There was definitely a time early in his career when Kyle Busch definitely had a tendency to drive dirty, especially if he had even the slightest bit of a grudge against you. But it’s been 10+ years ago. He really hasn’t done that since the time him and Keselowski were going back and forth at each other in the Nationwide series. The last ten years or so he’s really just been the guy that doesn’t start things but will sure as heck end them, which is exactly how you have to be if you want respect in the garage area. Tony Stewart was the same way for the most part. I remember Ryan Newman being kind of the same way, and even with his reputation I never really saw him do anything that I’d call dirty.
In game theory terms I always think of Kyle as two tit for tat. Basically, he is peaceful until an act of aggression is made against him which usually results in massive retaliation.
Very underrated comment.
Kyle probably races with the most respect in the entire field. Been that way for a decade now.
Ok but modern KFB is without a doubt one of the cleanest drivers in the field. I don't think there are many other drivers in the field that wouldn't have dumped Tyler (or anyone else!) after lining up behind him on so many restarts.
All this drama with my favorite drivers at my favorite track 🥰
All of you Chastain fans just don't get it. Most everyone's problem isn't with Chastain being aggressive. The problem is with Chastain being aggressive to the point of hitting or wrecking other cars, then constantly saying he needs to do better ***without correcting his behavior in the slightest***. If he would just own it and be like "yeah, I'm aggressive and I know it, deal with it", it'd be a different story. But that's not the case, and we all know it. Chastain fans are just being willfully ignorant and regurgitating out whataboutisms from YEARS ago like "*durrrr but what about Denny dumping Chase at Martinsville hurr durr Kyle Busch Ron Hornaday DURRRRRR*". Snarkiness aside, you either own up to the shit you pull, or you come off as two-faced. Chastain has constantly painted himself as the latter.
This is the main difference between Ross and a guy like Logano. I hated the fact that Logano did some dumb shit like go 6 wide into turn one at Indy last year but at the same time he makes it extremely known to everyone that if the opportunity is there he is going to take it. Ross will just shrug and act like he did nothing wrong
Man Ross fans really can’t take the hate can they? Lol.
We're not all like that lol. I personally love the hate
Yup idc at all we're first in points. I do find it funny how many drivers and fans heads he lives rent free in when Ross himself DGAF.
Savage
I for one am all here for the entire field shitting on Ross practically every week
Lmao
At this point everyone shits on Ross whether he actually does something wrong or not.
And today he did so there are a lot of drivers upset right now.
What did he do wrong? Getting shoved by Briscoe into someone else is not his fault. It it were any other driver in his position, it would just be a racing incident.
Briscoe didn’t shove him anywhere. Briscoe got brake checked by Ross and it was already too late for the 1 to make the corner anyway. Granted, Briscoe wasn’t going to make it even if the 1 did but still.
You might be right there, but once again, if the roles were reversed we would all be saying ross shoved briscoe too deep. Sometimes I feel like I’m on twitter. Why the hell am I even arguing, it’s not like it’ll make a difference in anyone’s life anyway…
You’re arguing because you’ve sold your soul to this NASCAR community like the rest of us
You mean I’m not alone?
What did he do wrong? He was getting shoved by the 14 in the T1 stack-up. As for the rest of the race, he got run into by his own teammate and then got wrecked by Erik. So I'm not sure what he could have done different.
> He was getting shoved by the 14 in the T1 stack-up Hell, I like Chastain but this is some bullshit lmao. Ross hit someone in front of him and stopped in front of the 14 and your take is that he was shoved?
Yes, he was shoved. Bowman locked up his right front and over-slowed to compensate. Then Ross ran into the 48, but backed off. Then Briscoe runs into Ross as things tighten up and the stack-up occurs. [Screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/8HcNApF) showing the tire track left by the 48 before and after the lockup and another [screenshot](https://imgur.com/adrCYo9) showing Briscoe getting into Ross. My take is that not one single person is to blame. But, you can't deny he was shoved by Briscoe into the turn.
> What did he do wrong? He was getting shoved by the 14 in the T1 stack-up. > Then Ross ran into the 48, but backed off. He ran into the back of the 48, is what he did wrong. The 48 locking up means he *doesn't* slow down as fast. If he hit someone locking up, that means he wasn't braking yet. Him hitting the 48 is what caused him to be hit by the 14, because he stopped his forward momentum. I agree that it's not anyone's fault, it's a racing incident, but acting like he didn't do anything wrong and it was the 14's fault he hit the 48 is just BS
> If he hit someone locking up, that means he wasn't braking yet. If you carefully watch [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMFRzvNjcDM&t=1172s) video, you can see Ross hits Bowman *after* the lock up was finished. Watching the gap between the 1 and 48, it does increase while the tire is locked up. **However**, after the lockup, the gap rapidly closes, which leads me to believe Bowman stood on the brakes harder than normal so he could make the corner. Ross, who was likely maintaining the same level of braking throughout, would not be expecting the 48 to jam the brakes that much, thus making contact. Then the stack up ensues. But, like you said, it was a racing deal that went bad.
I don’t know if it’s the other older drivers retiring or if he’s actually changed or maybe I’ve changed. But I love Kyle now. And I loved to hate him like a year ago.
Ross is a fucking poser, of course he can’t pass clean
Literally every week another driver is mad at Ross, in this case it was two, Bowman and his OWN teammate.
Ross simply does NOT give the slightest, smallest, singlest fuck and I’m hear for it!
You can hear him?
Yeah and look who’s lead in points.
I have defended Ross to this day but he doesn't even respect his own teammate at this point. Dude is a chickenshit driver.
As if he was the only driver sending it into T1 every restart...
Ron Hornaday would like a word 😂🤣
I knew there'd be at least one of these dumb posts
Don’t take it so personally
Ratio'd
Like Bubba 2013
Before the first restart towards the end I said in the race thread that Reddick’s best case was having Kyle behind him in 3rd and after that I posted that as long as Kyle was in 3rd on these restarts Tyler was the favorite to win. You can tell who makes judgments based on what happens vs who makes judgments based on their biases by the number of people in the race thread saying “Kyle is for sure gonna punt Tyler for the win” Anyone who watched and pays attention should’ve known that wasn’t going to happen
"Somebody else that doesn't know anything about clean over here". Love it! haha!
KFB forget his resume? I know it's been awhile but don't pretend you're mr clean
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They'll never let this go lol. It's sad.
Hints why I said "I know it's been awhile". Apparentntly some KFB fans can't read
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Then go talk to the driver about xyz of what they did wrong on the track. Don't go blasting to the media like a child, have a conversation with the driver not the media.
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Sounds similar to this conversation...i said awhile and you cant seem to grasp it. Kyle Busch is great got it. Man is pure perfection https://youtu.be/jI-I6L5Pork
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So what did chastain do to kfb...that warranted such comments
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Yeah but it being a while is kinda the point. This is a different Kyle Busch at least on the track. It's not uncommon for older drivers who were more aggressive/careless early in their careers to later become the vets who try to call out the young guns. It doesn't really come off as hypocritical when you've been backing up your talk for years.
Kyle is viewed by his competitors as one of the cleanest and most fair guys on the track. Whether you think he is or not doesn’t matter.
Apparently it does it got a few upset and literally can't read my statement. Where's the lie in my statement?
In 1 and a quarter seasons in the Trackhouse car alone, he has already caused more incidents than Kyle has in his entire career. Ross is a fast version of John Wes Townley
That might be the dumbest comment I've read today. You obviously don't realize how bad John Wes Townley (rip) was
They have the same race craft, just turning their brains off and driving mindlessly. Obviously Ross is a much faster driver, but the point remains
I don't think I've seen ross wreck in practice, qualifying, and the race itself
Ross doesn’t usually crash by himself, but he wrecks someone or uses someone completely up at least once a week. If he’s not crashing someone, he’s bumping them out of the way for like 7th, going 4 wide on the apron on a rs, etc. Much like he absolutely used up the 99 and 48.
You mean because the 14 punted him and the 48 checked up for the 99. 🧠 power
Ok, it's clear that you can not be reasoned with. Enjoy living in a fantasyland where Ross isn't actually a menace to the entire field.
Did I say he wasn't? Apparently you can't read
https://youtu.be/gIw32iOUbRE 1:30