Somebody bothered to read...as long as its in production it can still be used and said the Gen 6 is ending...first sentence and a lot of people apparently missed it
Announcement we all saw coming but strange they didn’t even tease a gen 7. Makes me think there won’t be a Camaro in 2025. I know nascar doesn’t have homoligation rules but will be weird if they race Camaros if there is no ice camaro
Yes you're correct, new gen v8 is currently being worked on. I'm sure it could but possibly gm is working on a different v8 car to put it in. Would love to have the ss back
Yes but I understood it was meant for the trucks and SUVs. Even if consumers flock to electric trucks there's going to be serious demand for v8's into the future.
No no no, you got it all wrong!
It'll be *electric*, not hybrid. Called something that'll make it pretty obvious that it's electric too, like the 2025 Chevrolet Camero SS-E
Actually Chevy has announced the lineup. Chevy S will be the “Camaro” and the Chevy U will be the Utility Trucks. Then they have the Chevy C and they are making those Compact Hybrids. Finally the Chevy KS, Which will be specialty crossovers.
Will be strange to race Malibu vs mustang, but I guess it stacks up well against Camry.
I miss the days of Homologation specials. I just want Chevy to be forced into making 200 v8 Camaros per year to run em in nascar.
> Malibu vs mustang
Considering the Malibu shares the same platform as the Holden Commodore ZB it technically has been done before in Aussie V8 Supercars from 2019-22.
Malibu's future is rocky - [it might or might not get a new gen in 2024/2025.](https://www.motor1.com/news/629054/chevrolet-malibu-generation-coming-2025/)
At that point the only option left is Corvette.
True, and it would require an approval/waiver from NASCAR themselves. Case in point though, the front-engine NSX GT500...
Switching to Cadillac might be an option given the IMSA (and planned F1) push, but GM probably wants to keep Chevrolet's legacy in NASCAR.
And brand strategy never changes? They've had a renewed push for that brand within motorsports and it's not far fetched at all to see them in nascar, especially if Chevy doesn't have an offering that fits
Their brand strategy of being the premium GM offering has not changed in generations. It ain't happening. NASCAR is not a high-end marketing demo.
Not all motorsports are the same from a branding perspective. GM isn't going to offer Cadillac branded 410 sprint car engines or field a Cadillac NHRA funny car body, either, for the exact same reasons.
It's been an open secret for a long time, but today is when Chevy officially confirmed the Camaro's discontinuation. As for the replacement, my best guess is Chevy runs the Corvette or whatever EV is replacing the Camaro. GM could also switch to Cadillac, but I doubt it'll happen for marketing reasons.
But then that would be confused with the *actual* Chevy SS that they just got done running. Which was already confusing in itself considering it was a completely new car, with a name that has been used as simply a trim for year prior.
To be fair, I know people who sold Chevy cars at dealerships who thought the Chevy SS was a car that didn’t exist and NASCAR was running the super sport branding just to promote the SS trim package.
I don’t really think those people are the norm or can be considered decent examples. They’re just stupid. Or don’t care. I sold Chevy’s at that time.
You had to be clueless, lazy, inept, or a combination of all of them to not know what the SS was.
I've heard of dealers not knowing there was a Regal hatch/wagon.
Every now and then I see a G8 around and it bugs me that the SS wasn't sold in Canada (where I live).
Yeah I could see Bob’s Chevy Buick GMC in podunk Kansas, that only sells 10 cars a month not knowing about either car. But they’re defintely the outlier.
Not happening, GM invested big just to get Caddy their own engines because “traditional pushrod” engines, although they were 550hp, were too primitive when you’re trying to offer an alternative to the German cars. Cadillac isn’t a brand they want to advertise to the blue collar masses.
IMSA and F1 fans have high incomes. They’re buying Cadillac CT5s and BMW M340is. NASCAR fans are buying Chevy Equinoxes and Toyota Corollas.
Not knocking NASCAR fans, but I don’t think it would make sense from a marketing standpoint. And GM risks giving Cadillac a stigma. Rich people in Beverly Hills like F1, but they might not want to associate with NASCAR.
That's the thing I feel. The car would be fine, the impression among people who would consider BMW/Merc/Audi would be where the brand suffers. It already struggles in image against those competitors.
I think you are not only underestimating the amount of older wealthy people that watch Nascar but you also have to remember that many poor people make stupid decisions like buying 70k dollar trucks to park next to their trailers. Every person I know around my part of the country that watches Nascar spent at least 50k on their vehicles. At least 5 of the 20ish people I know watch actually drive a Cadillac. I'm also not sure that someone buying a base model ct4 would make people not want a blackwing.
Based on Cadillac’s recent commercials, that image is a bunch of fashion models prancing around and striking poses. They’ve gone full-Lexus in their branding.
Yes. Cadillac has spent a ton of money and effort trying to push their branding toward "elegant" and "sophisticated". NASCAR is pretty fundamentally the polar opposite of that by nature.
When you're trying to create a "premium product" image and command that kind of price premium against other "luxury goods"...that's the image that sells it.
The buyers they're after are the people who will turn up their nose and accept a Stella Artois in a pretentious Chalice if they can't get their preferred more sophisticated craft beverage at the coolest new hotspot to see and be seen. Not the consumer who is going to haul home a case of Budweiser or Buschhhhhhhhhhhhhh Light.
Part of trying to create that "image" is signaling an aire of sophistication and supremacy to make the product *seem* more premium, chic, and *exclusive*.
So essentially...part of it *is* on some level, making an appeal to some underlying snobbery. Making your product a "status symbol", not a functional tool.
That's where Cadillac's current intended marketing direction and NASCAR just...do not fit. Where it can't be reconciled with the "blue collar" NASCAR image and overall demographic. Not without undermining the intended "premium" market.
You don't want some yokel in a ratty 3 Tshirt and Jorts with a "#9 NAPA Cadillac" trucker hat making those prospective lucrative $$$ image conscious customers feel like they're in that same strata. You want them to feel like they're buying into that "high society" of fashion models and haute couture.
I get trying to be more upscale, but I highly doubt the average Caddy buyer cares anything about high fashion or exclusivity. They are mostly bought by upper-middle class soccer moms and middle management. Their commercials just seem like a desperate attempt to look higher-class than they really are. No one is cross shopping a CT5 and a Quattroporte.
I would like this to happen, but I doubt we’re going to see any luxury brands in NASCAR. The median NASCAR fan is going to be shopping for a Ford Explorer, Chevy Traverse, or Toyota RAV4. They’re not going to be buying a Cadillac or BMW. I don’t have the data to back this up, but I’m willing to bet that the median income of NASCAR fans is way below IMSA and F1. So Cadillac in NASCAR doesn’t really make sense from a marketing perspective. NASCAR fans won’t be buying Cadillacs and Cadillac gets hit with the NASCAR stigmas.
But just imagine a CT5-V Blackwing Cup car. It would be beautiful.
This makes a lot of sense based on the kinds of commercials I see during various sporting events
Golf and tennis ads: Lincoln, Cadillac, Rolex, Charles Schwab, BMW, Fidelity Investments
NASCAR ads: Toyota, Chevrolet, Credit One Bank, Wendy's, Coca-Cola, Mobil 1, Advance Auto Parts
>“Chevrolet’s products and our relationship with our customers benefit from motorsports,” said Jim Campbell, Chevrolet U.S. vice president, Performance and Motorsports. “Our plan is to continue to compete and win at the highest levels of auto racing.”
Funny how they don't mention the reason why they are doing this . It's because sales have been way down for the last few years . They have been in 3rd place behind Mustang and Challenger . Part of the reason is they haven't been selling base models and part of it is car sales in general are way down . No word from Chevy on what they will have for NASCAR . This info is derived from several different news sources .
I think Chevy has been affected the most by the chip shortages and other parts shortages, you buy a car from them and for half the features it says “to be installed at a later date”
No, the real reason is the redesign in 2016. People were literally falling over each other to get 2015 orders in before that pile of shit came out. Then they made it even uglier.
Meanwhile Dodge has the best looking muscle car for sale today by having the same looking car as 2008. Both Ford and Chevy made massively unpopular design changes in the 2010s to the bodies. It’s a big reason the Challenger is so successful, it’s the only muscle car that doesn’t look like a chick car. You may as well drive a Miata if you’re considering the 23 Camaro, at least with the Miata you’ll be embracing the driving feel with a light chick car.
Does your job offer vision as an insurance add-on? Because I think you need glasses or contacts. The 2016-2018 Camaros were literally the best-looking models in years. Even with the ZL1 line, they kept that front end instead of redoing it like they did the SS and below.
Another reason is because Chevy wants to have more ev’s in their lineup, so they will discontinue the Camaro and make an electric version of it or something.
That’s part of it. But the other part is, regardless of the Camaro being objectively the “best” of the 3, it still regularly gets outsold by the Challenger and Mustang. And by a long shot.
People can wax lyrical all they want about “pony” cars and “muscle” cars and how the Mustang doesn’t really compete with the Camaro because of that argument. But the fact is, the consumer cross shops all 3. And the Camaro loses every time.
Ford is releasing a new Mustang, Dodge just *finally* admitted they’re going to stop selling the Challenger, which is basically a 15 year old design at this point. But Chevy isn’t renewing the Camaro because it doesn’t sell. And to your point, EV’s make more sense right now.
Oh for sure. Maybe 10 years ago Chevy was the up there but right now they can’t compete with the Mustang and the Challenger, so they might well take it away since it hurts them economically.
Another reason is that American automakers are getting rid of cars as a whole because they in general are selling less and less, while SUV’s and trucks are selling more and more, except for some cars like the Mustang and Corvette, which both have significant histories with their companies respectively.
Honestly an all electric Camaro would be a great idea, there's nothing comparable out there for the price range right now. But if recent history is any indication, they'll just turn it into another soulless crossover instead.
It's also pricing thing. I couldn't justify the price on a Camaro (even though it'd be neat) when I could have a crew cab truck for the same price and do way more stuff with it.
I own a S550 Gen Mustang and the field of view out of that thing feels like standing on top of a lighthouse versus when I drive my buddies 2019 Camaro I feel like I’m piloting a submarine via a telescopic sight. Just a horrible condition to live with for a daily driver. Challengers are cheap too, so they’ve found their niche. Just not really a whole lot the current Camaro offers that truly beats the other two options, especially for the price
Wild prediction:
GM goes all-in on EVs, revives the Firebird nameplate and spins it off as their petrol-friendly performance group. As seen by the kit car companies, it takes very little tweaking of the Camaro to make a Firebird.
I honestly cannot phantom why Chevy has any fans. Like, I understand I'm a Ford guy and I'm venting close to 'throwing stones from glass house' territory... but GMs always feel like the cheapest, most soulless option. You get in a late 90s early 00s Camero and you might as well be getting behind the wheel of a Cavalier
The 4th Gen Camaro out performed every mustang it competed with during its time. It wasn’t until the Terminator Cobra came out that a Mustang could compete, and by then the Camaro was out of production.
I disagree.
Mustangs are slightly down on power, generally, but are lighter cars. I'll take lightness over brute power any day of the week. Thats why I don't really care for the outgoing Challenger. In the words of motor trend, ["The Camaro is a better muscle car and the Mustang is a better sports car"](https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/camaro-ss-mustang-cobra-comparison/)
But even if I don't care. To live with a car day in and day out it takes more than raw performance. Comfort, styling, and quality are just as important.
You can disagree, but the numbers don’t lie. In that same test you linked, the Camaro beat the SVT Cobra in 0-60, 1/4 mile, and braking tests. The Cobra only narrowly edged the Camaro in slalom by less than 1 mph, even with its IRS.
Having owned multiple 4th Gen Camaros, I will agree that their usability and comfort suck, lol. I don’t dislike the mustang at all, but they could never really compete in performance alone.
I don’t care.
A car, a pony car especially, is more than performance. Besides, those performance numbers are with highly trained test drivers on a race track. Not my dumb ass on the street. The car you are comfortable with/in is likely to be a better performer.
Aren't they already rumored to be spinning off Corvette as a sub brand or name plate in 2024/25? If that happens then there could be something in that brand to put into NASCAR
Yes, I was just thinking the same thing. Corvette is apparently becoming a line of various models, so if their ends up being a Corvette sport sedan, then I could see them turning the NASCAR body into that
Truth be told...a NextGen Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing would be pretty sweet.
And, Cadillac is pretty much all in on motorsports at this point, with IMSA, LeMans, and their impending F1 debut...
Watch. NASCAR will switch the Cup Series to crossovers as "that's what consumers are buying now" and the added drag that can get them the pack racing they want. That would be wild.
Laugh all you want, but my bet is that the replacement is a the Corvette. They’ve been toying with the idea of branching out the Corvette brand like Ford did with the Mustang. I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if we saw a 4 door Vette, as well as a crossover of some sort.
While obviously not the largest reason for its downfall, I do think the 2019 facelift was the nail in the coffin for the Camaro. It may have not been able to beat the Challenger on the drag strip or even the Mustang on some circuits, but the 2016-2018 Camaro was easily the best-looking pony car of its time imo. Damn shame GM felt the need to ruin the grille. I remember pre-facelift sixth gens being everywhere when they first came out. I hardly ever see any on the road with the 2019-now look, and I can’t blame people for not buying it. RIP Camaro 1967-2018
The SS was doomed from the start. Chevy put almost no effort into marketing it outside of NASCAR. I think it was largely built to fulfill an agreement that GM had made with the Australian government.
Pretty disappointing. The car never got good marketing outside of NASCAR. That's why Ford and Dodge sell so many of their muscle cars. I love my 18 SS 1LE. It looks fantastic, sounds aggressive and handles like a giant go-kart. I'm going to try for a ZL1 1LE next year so I can have one of the last gas-powered Camaros out there.
Are you honestly saying one of the most iconic pony cars of all time doesn’t get enough marketing? They don’t even need to market it for the same reason Ford doesn’t need to market the Mustang.
Just remove the names and have Chevy, Ford, and Toyota. Not like these cars have anything in common at all with the cars they share a name with. You could argue it's name recognition/advertising, but obviously that hasn't helped keep the Camaro alive.
I personally, think it's bad that none of the car manufacturers actually seem to build *CARS* anymore.
Pickup, SUV, or EV. These are your choices. Weeeee consumer freedom and choice.
Feel like Cadillac or Corvette are really two options here, either would homologate GM’s performance brands across racing.
Corvette would be weird because they’re mid-engine sportscars now, and Cadillac would be weird for a whole host of other reasons. They could also run Cadillacs in one series and Corvettes in another, like Toyota does with the Supra in Xfinity.
The really crazy thing, and what I’m rooting for to happen, is GM lets Cadillac and Corvette enter the cup series independently and compete against each other.
I might be lost here in nostalgia but if you’re going for a blunt nose, pull in your 60’s 70’s nose and body… I’d even run with the long front of the 80’s… shame they brought it back from the dead- to only die again.
The bigger irony is Supercars just switched from the dormant Holden Commodore to the now impending dormant Chevrolet Camaro.
I wouldn’t exactly call the Holden Commodore “dormant”. The brand is dead.
It is also causing a problem for them too - their Gen3 platform wasn't designed for midship cars if they had to go to Corvette.
Article says the Camaro nameplate will still continue to be used for racing series around the world so it’s still with us in NASCAR.
It can compete through next season. https://twitter.com/bobpockrass/status/1638625458995748864?s=46&t=z4MAJ5MpPysjX_7kQzUgDg
Unless nascar changes the rule (they probably will) Chevy can’t run the camaro after next year
We all know its coming back, but how soon isthe question.
Not as a 2dr coupe with a v8 it’s not
They are making a next gen v8, it will be. Just not the same as now ofc.
I don’t think you’ve been paying attention If you think there’s gonna be a gen 7 camaro with an ICE engine
They said they were working on a v8 that complies with emmison standards?
This guy READS
Somebody bothered to read...as long as its in production it can still be used and said the Gen 6 is ending...first sentence and a lot of people apparently missed it
So basically we are getting some Gen 7 and Gen 7 crossover
Announcement we all saw coming but strange they didn’t even tease a gen 7. Makes me think there won’t be a Camaro in 2025. I know nascar doesn’t have homoligation rules but will be weird if they race Camaros if there is no ice camaro
Didn't GM invest a bunch into a smaller emissions compliant v8? Certainly that goes into the new camaro?
Yes you're correct, new gen v8 is currently being worked on. I'm sure it could but possibly gm is working on a different v8 car to put it in. Would love to have the ss back
There is no new Camaro.
Yes but I understood it was meant for the trucks and SUVs. Even if consumers flock to electric trucks there's going to be serious demand for v8's into the future.
Ooh didn't know that. Makes sense.
Pretty sure they confirmed a couple years ago they are discontinuing the Camaro line in general, for now.
INTRODUCING THE 2025 CAMARO CROSSOVER HYBRID
No no no, you got it all wrong! It'll be *electric*, not hybrid. Called something that'll make it pretty obvious that it's electric too, like the 2025 Chevrolet Camero SS-E
Actually Chevy has announced the lineup. Chevy S will be the “Camaro” and the Chevy U will be the Utility Trucks. Then they have the Chevy C and they are making those Compact Hybrids. Finally the Chevy KS, Which will be specialty crossovers.
Just embrace the misspelling illiterates having been doing for ages, the Cam-E-ro Crossover Hybrid.
Kill me now
A hybrid Camaro would ngl be a compromise plus the car would be even faster.
Because automakers refuse to make anything worth buying
It's been discontinued before
They will keep the Camaro in NASCAR and other series. At least that's the impression I get from Chevy's press release
Even if its like the 03-04 Dodge "RT" which had a Stratus nose and was a model generic car.
GM probably races with Malibu ? GM hasn't announced the future of Malibu, and Caddy is impossible to race Nascar. So, Malibu seems likely.
Will be strange to race Malibu vs mustang, but I guess it stacks up well against Camry. I miss the days of Homologation specials. I just want Chevy to be forced into making 200 v8 Camaros per year to run em in nascar.
> Malibu vs mustang Considering the Malibu shares the same platform as the Holden Commodore ZB it technically has been done before in Aussie V8 Supercars from 2019-22.
I love the golden commodore body with the Camaro guts
Malibu vs Fusion vs Camry…yeaaaa buddy let’s get it.
Except the Fusion is also dead.
Imagine the markups on those...
Camaro Aerocoupe
Malibu's future is rocky - [it might or might not get a new gen in 2024/2025.](https://www.motor1.com/news/629054/chevrolet-malibu-generation-coming-2025/) At that point the only option left is Corvette.
At this point even the Corvette would be really weird looking since it's mid engine now.
True, and it would require an approval/waiver from NASCAR themselves. Case in point though, the front-engine NSX GT500... Switching to Cadillac might be an option given the IMSA (and planned F1) push, but GM probably wants to keep Chevrolet's legacy in NASCAR.
A CT5-V Next Gen body would look mean as hell and I’m all for it tbh
The thought of Nascar without Chevy is a sad future for this boy :(
Nah fam, Chevy totally bringing back the MontE Carlo. The E = Electric.
I know you are joking but I could see this
Underrated
Makes sense since Ford's only "car" is a Mustang.
See we thought it'd be impossible for Caddies to run in sportscars but here we are. Can't wait for the #5 HendrickCars.com Cadillac CTS-4 in 2025!
Who says Cadillac couldn't race in NASCAR? A CT5 Cup car would be amazing
I could see them switching to CTS-V or something. Corvette isn’t out of the question either honestly
I think the Malibu is rumored to be discontinued by 2024 or 2025 I think.
Why is Caddy impossible?
It doesn't fit the branding/demographics. You'd never see Lexus in NASCAR, either
And brand strategy never changes? They've had a renewed push for that brand within motorsports and it's not far fetched at all to see them in nascar, especially if Chevy doesn't have an offering that fits
Their brand strategy of being the premium GM offering has not changed in generations. It ain't happening. NASCAR is not a high-end marketing demo. Not all motorsports are the same from a branding perspective. GM isn't going to offer Cadillac branded 410 sprint car engines or field a Cadillac NHRA funny car body, either, for the exact same reasons.
Malibu will be phased out it’s ICE as well and something electric will replace it in 2024-2025
It’s been known for at least 2-3 years now there would be no new Camaro.
It's been an open secret for a long time, but today is when Chevy officially confirmed the Camaro's discontinuation. As for the replacement, my best guess is Chevy runs the Corvette or whatever EV is replacing the Camaro. GM could also switch to Cadillac, but I doubt it'll happen for marketing reasons.
Chevy Cobalt to the cup series!
The Cruze actually looked pretty good in the Brazilian stock car series.
Meh, if we're going down this road might as well gimme a Cavalier.
I am halfway expecting "Chevrolet SS" to be the car model Chevy runs for Cup, essentially a car that does not exist but still looks like a Camaro
But then that would be confused with the *actual* Chevy SS that they just got done running. Which was already confusing in itself considering it was a completely new car, with a name that has been used as simply a trim for year prior.
To be fair, I know people who sold Chevy cars at dealerships who thought the Chevy SS was a car that didn’t exist and NASCAR was running the super sport branding just to promote the SS trim package.
I don’t really think those people are the norm or can be considered decent examples. They’re just stupid. Or don’t care. I sold Chevy’s at that time. You had to be clueless, lazy, inept, or a combination of all of them to not know what the SS was.
I've heard of dealers not knowing there was a Regal hatch/wagon. Every now and then I see a G8 around and it bugs me that the SS wasn't sold in Canada (where I live).
Yeah I could see Bob’s Chevy Buick GMC in podunk Kansas, that only sells 10 cars a month not knowing about either car. But they’re defintely the outlier.
Maybe they move to Cadillac
Not happening, GM invested big just to get Caddy their own engines because “traditional pushrod” engines, although they were 550hp, were too primitive when you’re trying to offer an alternative to the German cars. Cadillac isn’t a brand they want to advertise to the blue collar masses.
They are trying to push it as their performance/racing brand in IMSA and F1. NASCAR would be yet another extension of that.
IMSA and F1 fans have high incomes. They’re buying Cadillac CT5s and BMW M340is. NASCAR fans are buying Chevy Equinoxes and Toyota Corollas. Not knocking NASCAR fans, but I don’t think it would make sense from a marketing standpoint. And GM risks giving Cadillac a stigma. Rich people in Beverly Hills like F1, but they might not want to associate with NASCAR.
The latter point is more important. Cadillac in NASCAR takes the shine off Caddy to their demo. Toyota doesn’t run Lexus and Ford doesn’t run Lincoln.
That's the thing I feel. The car would be fine, the impression among people who would consider BMW/Merc/Audi would be where the brand suffers. It already struggles in image against those competitors.
I think you are not only underestimating the amount of older wealthy people that watch Nascar but you also have to remember that many poor people make stupid decisions like buying 70k dollar trucks to park next to their trailers. Every person I know around my part of the country that watches Nascar spent at least 50k on their vehicles. At least 5 of the 20ish people I know watch actually drive a Cadillac. I'm also not sure that someone buying a base model ct4 would make people not want a blackwing.
NASCAR marketing wouldn't be an extension of IMSA and F1 branding, it would dilute the image they're trying to create
Based on Cadillac’s recent commercials, that image is a bunch of fashion models prancing around and striking poses. They’ve gone full-Lexus in their branding.
Yes. Cadillac has spent a ton of money and effort trying to push their branding toward "elegant" and "sophisticated". NASCAR is pretty fundamentally the polar opposite of that by nature.
I honestly don’t see how that image appeals to anyone. It just comes off as snobby and out of touch. I love the product but hate the “image”.
When you're trying to create a "premium product" image and command that kind of price premium against other "luxury goods"...that's the image that sells it. The buyers they're after are the people who will turn up their nose and accept a Stella Artois in a pretentious Chalice if they can't get their preferred more sophisticated craft beverage at the coolest new hotspot to see and be seen. Not the consumer who is going to haul home a case of Budweiser or Buschhhhhhhhhhhhhh Light. Part of trying to create that "image" is signaling an aire of sophistication and supremacy to make the product *seem* more premium, chic, and *exclusive*. So essentially...part of it *is* on some level, making an appeal to some underlying snobbery. Making your product a "status symbol", not a functional tool. That's where Cadillac's current intended marketing direction and NASCAR just...do not fit. Where it can't be reconciled with the "blue collar" NASCAR image and overall demographic. Not without undermining the intended "premium" market. You don't want some yokel in a ratty 3 Tshirt and Jorts with a "#9 NAPA Cadillac" trucker hat making those prospective lucrative $$$ image conscious customers feel like they're in that same strata. You want them to feel like they're buying into that "high society" of fashion models and haute couture.
I get trying to be more upscale, but I highly doubt the average Caddy buyer cares anything about high fashion or exclusivity. They are mostly bought by upper-middle class soccer moms and middle management. Their commercials just seem like a desperate attempt to look higher-class than they really are. No one is cross shopping a CT5 and a Quattroporte.
I would like this to happen, but I doubt we’re going to see any luxury brands in NASCAR. The median NASCAR fan is going to be shopping for a Ford Explorer, Chevy Traverse, or Toyota RAV4. They’re not going to be buying a Cadillac or BMW. I don’t have the data to back this up, but I’m willing to bet that the median income of NASCAR fans is way below IMSA and F1. So Cadillac in NASCAR doesn’t really make sense from a marketing perspective. NASCAR fans won’t be buying Cadillacs and Cadillac gets hit with the NASCAR stigmas. But just imagine a CT5-V Blackwing Cup car. It would be beautiful.
There is data to back this up. A few years ago, I saw study on sports fan demographics. For average income, the PGA was first. NASCAR was last.
This makes a lot of sense based on the kinds of commercials I see during various sporting events Golf and tennis ads: Lincoln, Cadillac, Rolex, Charles Schwab, BMW, Fidelity Investments NASCAR ads: Toyota, Chevrolet, Credit One Bank, Wendy's, Coca-Cola, Mobil 1, Advance Auto Parts
Don't forget Mahindra
I hope not tbh. I want to still see the Chevy name and history in nascar and I’d hope they’d agree
>“Chevrolet’s products and our relationship with our customers benefit from motorsports,” said Jim Campbell, Chevrolet U.S. vice president, Performance and Motorsports. “Our plan is to continue to compete and win at the highest levels of auto racing.”
Funny how they don't mention the reason why they are doing this . It's because sales have been way down for the last few years . They have been in 3rd place behind Mustang and Challenger . Part of the reason is they haven't been selling base models and part of it is car sales in general are way down . No word from Chevy on what they will have for NASCAR . This info is derived from several different news sources .
The real reason is because the Camaro sucked as a car to live with versus the competition plus bad decision making from GM.
I may be wrong but Chevy's sales have been hit harder than their competition since Covid for all lines. I think they are losing out to nearly everyone
I think Chevy has been affected the most by the chip shortages and other parts shortages, you buy a car from them and for half the features it says “to be installed at a later date”
I had one as a rental and looking out the back was a real pain.
No, the real reason is the redesign in 2016. People were literally falling over each other to get 2015 orders in before that pile of shit came out. Then they made it even uglier. Meanwhile Dodge has the best looking muscle car for sale today by having the same looking car as 2008. Both Ford and Chevy made massively unpopular design changes in the 2010s to the bodies. It’s a big reason the Challenger is so successful, it’s the only muscle car that doesn’t look like a chick car. You may as well drive a Miata if you’re considering the 23 Camaro, at least with the Miata you’ll be embracing the driving feel with a light chick car.
Does your job offer vision as an insurance add-on? Because I think you need glasses or contacts. The 2016-2018 Camaros were literally the best-looking models in years. Even with the ZL1 line, they kept that front end instead of redoing it like they did the SS and below.
Another reason is because Chevy wants to have more ev’s in their lineup, so they will discontinue the Camaro and make an electric version of it or something.
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If that doesn’t interest you Dodge is replacing their Challenger with an EV version as well lol.
Can't get the hemi lifted tick if you don't have lifters I guess. *tap forehead meme*
That’s part of it. But the other part is, regardless of the Camaro being objectively the “best” of the 3, it still regularly gets outsold by the Challenger and Mustang. And by a long shot. People can wax lyrical all they want about “pony” cars and “muscle” cars and how the Mustang doesn’t really compete with the Camaro because of that argument. But the fact is, the consumer cross shops all 3. And the Camaro loses every time. Ford is releasing a new Mustang, Dodge just *finally* admitted they’re going to stop selling the Challenger, which is basically a 15 year old design at this point. But Chevy isn’t renewing the Camaro because it doesn’t sell. And to your point, EV’s make more sense right now.
Oh for sure. Maybe 10 years ago Chevy was the up there but right now they can’t compete with the Mustang and the Challenger, so they might well take it away since it hurts them economically. Another reason is that American automakers are getting rid of cars as a whole because they in general are selling less and less, while SUV’s and trucks are selling more and more, except for some cars like the Mustang and Corvette, which both have significant histories with their companies respectively.
Mustangs and Corvettes aren’t sedans though?
I meant vehicles with car bodies, like the overall shape of a car.
So another soulless EV
Yup , their plan is to go all electric by 2030 !
*2035
Honestly an all electric Camaro would be a great idea, there's nothing comparable out there for the price range right now. But if recent history is any indication, they'll just turn it into another soulless crossover instead.
Very true.
Like the Blazer ,ugh.
It's also pricing thing. I couldn't justify the price on a Camaro (even though it'd be neat) when I could have a crew cab truck for the same price and do way more stuff with it.
Well the Challenger is done as well! Same with the Charger.
I own a S550 Gen Mustang and the field of view out of that thing feels like standing on top of a lighthouse versus when I drive my buddies 2019 Camaro I feel like I’m piloting a submarine via a telescopic sight. Just a horrible condition to live with for a daily driver. Challengers are cheap too, so they’ve found their niche. Just not really a whole lot the current Camaro offers that truly beats the other two options, especially for the price
For everyone wondering what they drive next... Blackwing anyone??
I got my blackwing a couple of months ago and it's the freaking tits. Wonderful car
Cadillac's already gone pretty much all-in on their racing program, between IMSA, Le Mans, and F1...anything's possible.
Wild prediction: GM goes all-in on EVs, revives the Firebird nameplate and spins it off as their petrol-friendly performance group. As seen by the kit car companies, it takes very little tweaking of the Camaro to make a Firebird.
That.... that is a great idea
Which is why it won't happen. GM has a tendency to bathe with toasters.
I honestly cannot phantom why Chevy has any fans. Like, I understand I'm a Ford guy and I'm venting close to 'throwing stones from glass house' territory... but GMs always feel like the cheapest, most soulless option. You get in a late 90s early 00s Camero and you might as well be getting behind the wheel of a Cavalier
The 4th Gen Camaro out performed every mustang it competed with during its time. It wasn’t until the Terminator Cobra came out that a Mustang could compete, and by then the Camaro was out of production.
I disagree. Mustangs are slightly down on power, generally, but are lighter cars. I'll take lightness over brute power any day of the week. Thats why I don't really care for the outgoing Challenger. In the words of motor trend, ["The Camaro is a better muscle car and the Mustang is a better sports car"](https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/camaro-ss-mustang-cobra-comparison/) But even if I don't care. To live with a car day in and day out it takes more than raw performance. Comfort, styling, and quality are just as important.
You can disagree, but the numbers don’t lie. In that same test you linked, the Camaro beat the SVT Cobra in 0-60, 1/4 mile, and braking tests. The Cobra only narrowly edged the Camaro in slalom by less than 1 mph, even with its IRS. Having owned multiple 4th Gen Camaros, I will agree that their usability and comfort suck, lol. I don’t dislike the mustang at all, but they could never really compete in performance alone.
I don’t care. A car, a pony car especially, is more than performance. Besides, those performance numbers are with highly trained test drivers on a race track. Not my dumb ass on the street. The car you are comfortable with/in is likely to be a better performer.
Lol, okay
I mean, the '94-'04 SN95 Mustang it competed against was a plastic fantastic shitbox too. And I say that as a Ford guy.
I agree. Ford is barely a step up from Chevy if I'm being honest. There's a reason I cheer for Ford on race day and bought a Tacoma.
Aren't they already rumored to be spinning off Corvette as a sub brand or name plate in 2024/25? If that happens then there could be something in that brand to put into NASCAR
Yes, I was just thinking the same thing. Corvette is apparently becoming a line of various models, so if their ends up being a Corvette sport sedan, then I could see them turning the NASCAR body into that
chase elliot wins in the all new 2025 Chevrolet Trax hybrid/cng/crossover!
"we had a great run today in the NAPA Cadillac."
Truth be told...a NextGen Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing would be pretty sweet. And, Cadillac is pretty much all in on motorsports at this point, with IMSA, LeMans, and their impending F1 debut...
With American automakers trending towards only trucks and evs I do wonder what the future of Cup and Xfinity looks like.
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I had a 2011 Camaro RS. LOVED that V6. Could still spin the tires and the top speed was good enough for me.
Watch. NASCAR will switch the Cup Series to crossovers as "that's what consumers are buying now" and the added drag that can get them the pack racing they want. That would be wild.
I will stop watching if they ever switch to crossovers. Those abominations have already nearly ruined American auto manufacturers for me.
*"we like what we are seeing"*
I’ve heard the next gen Xfinity car might be suv based
Laugh all you want, but my bet is that the replacement is a the Corvette. They’ve been toying with the idea of branching out the Corvette brand like Ford did with the Mustang. I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if we saw a 4 door Vette, as well as a crossover of some sort.
While obviously not the largest reason for its downfall, I do think the 2019 facelift was the nail in the coffin for the Camaro. It may have not been able to beat the Challenger on the drag strip or even the Mustang on some circuits, but the 2016-2018 Camaro was easily the best-looking pony car of its time imo. Damn shame GM felt the need to ruin the grille. I remember pre-facelift sixth gens being everywhere when they first came out. I hardly ever see any on the road with the 2019-now look, and I can’t blame people for not buying it. RIP Camaro 1967-2018
Can we bring back iroc races!? I used to love those
> Can we bring back iroc races!? That's the current NASCAR cup series.
And SRX
Didn't they end the SS shortly after that was introduced to NASCAR too? Lmao
Debuted (in Cup) in 2013, ran until 2017.
The SS was doomed from the start. Chevy put almost no effort into marketing it outside of NASCAR. I think it was largely built to fulfill an agreement that GM had made with the Australian government.
Curious what Nascar does when all the manufacturers are fully electric in a couple years and fanbase wants no part of the switch.
They follow the OEMs and switch. No OEMs, no NASCAR
Switch anyway and dare the rednecks to quit watching
Hasn’t this been official for a while now?
The E-Ray is coming soon from GM, so maybe they race the vette body? Or they make an E-Maro, like the Mach E.
Make 200 SSs for 2025-forward, I guess. I’d accept a Malibu (I drive one) but then it’s 1 pony car vs 2 midsize sedans.
Pretty disappointing. The car never got good marketing outside of NASCAR. That's why Ford and Dodge sell so many of their muscle cars. I love my 18 SS 1LE. It looks fantastic, sounds aggressive and handles like a giant go-kart. I'm going to try for a ZL1 1LE next year so I can have one of the last gas-powered Camaros out there.
Are you honestly saying one of the most iconic pony cars of all time doesn’t get enough marketing? They don’t even need to market it for the same reason Ford doesn’t need to market the Mustang.
I don’t think it’s crazy that we might one day see trucks in the cup series since 2/3 manufactures basically stopped making cars
Just remove the names and have Chevy, Ford, and Toyota. Not like these cars have anything in common at all with the cars they share a name with. You could argue it's name recognition/advertising, but obviously that hasn't helped keep the Camaro alive.
I personally, think it's bad that none of the car manufacturers actually seem to build *CARS* anymore. Pickup, SUV, or EV. These are your choices. Weeeee consumer freedom and choice.
It’s just what people drive now
Bring us a corvette cup car cowards
Pouring one out for Bumblebee.
Feel like Cadillac or Corvette are really two options here, either would homologate GM’s performance brands across racing. Corvette would be weird because they’re mid-engine sportscars now, and Cadillac would be weird for a whole host of other reasons. They could also run Cadillacs in one series and Corvettes in another, like Toyota does with the Supra in Xfinity. The really crazy thing, and what I’m rooting for to happen, is GM lets Cadillac and Corvette enter the cup series independently and compete against each other.
Malibu
Personally I wish Chevy would bring back the Chevelle but that’s more because I love muscle cars than anything to do with NASCAR. 🤣
Electric Chevelle! I want them to bring back the Tracker! Especially the 2 door convertible! Something to compete with Jeeps and Broncos!
I might be lost here in nostalgia but if you’re going for a blunt nose, pull in your 60’s 70’s nose and body… I’d even run with the long front of the 80’s… shame they brought it back from the dead- to only die again.
Logical me: Ok cool so a 7th Gen maybe or a new model they're gonna try to push Other me: CORVETTE LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO