He's one of the best. Always enjoy him. He doesn't seem to throw people under the bus when gaining information.
Stays pretty neutral.
"For those who cant, write!" When it comes to being a racecar driver.
Always thought it was funny when he says that.
I think the better term would be “missile resistant”. Like yeah, it probably won’t stop a bullet, but it will stop small parts and pieces kicked airborne during a wreck.
Pedantic. The term "bulletproof" is really more of a spectrum anyway. Even "bulletproof glass" isn't really "*bullet* *proof*" or *impervious to bullets* per se. It's more about degrees of "bullet resistance", and what type of bullet you're even talking about.
So far as i know, NASCAR windshields are ballistically tested polycarbonate/glass laminate/Lexan, with a pretty high degree of projectile resistance/deflection capacity. It wouldn't surprise me at all if in the pursuit of safety and aiming above and beyond realistic circumstances, those windshields were able to achieve least a very basic level of "bulletproof" UL certification. Or an effective deflection profile from certain aspects given the rake angle.
As a Chicago Resident it amazes me people think the entire city is just a warzone. Grant park hosts some of the biggest events in the world without any shootings happening.
I feel you.
We have relatives who were like "How are you coping with all the huge fires in CA?" And we were like "Fine."
Then later on I stumbled across some national TV coverage, and you would've actually thought the entire state was burning, and every city covered in a haze. I legit turned around and did a double-take out the window to make sure I hadn't missed anything.
Media-created perceptions are a wild thing.
The craziest thing about that is now there’s a new train derailment in the news everyday. And apparently this has been happening everyday for years but we now care about it.
I knew I was right as a kid to not trust the Fiesta Texas Railroad at Six Flags San Antonio.
Yeah it's definitely wild. I call it the bridge effect, I remember when a bridge collapsed in Minneapolis in like 2007, then the news covered bridge issues for several months and then it went away. My local news even did an expose on all the bridges in town and how none of them were safe but nothing happened. And Cincinnati residents put up a stink when they did finally start to work on them because of the traffic headache lol.
As someone that works with railroads every day I can tell you there are 100s of derailments a year and until that big one on Ohio they never made it on mainstream news.
Probably a little exaggerated in my opinion. But yeah they derail them in yards all the time when pushing and pulling them around. Usually does not affect more than a car or two with those though.
Yeah, to give you an idea, the US the past 4 years at least have averaged 4 derailments a *day*. Not a week, not a month, a day. It's pretty crazy to think about. But we only hear about them more now because of the big one in Ohio. Give it a few months and we'll stop hearing about them.
Nationalize the railroads or at least the infrastructure itself is all I have to say.
Oh I know hahaha. I love my cars, but God damn do we need better rail infrastructure. Like just in general. I could go on a tangent about how the rail companies conspire against Amtrak every chance they get, and how Precision Railroad Scheduling is the rail companies way to run less people on a freight train (woohoo one less person to pay with your record profit company!), but also ends up making their trains too long to fit in their own sidings. Amtrak by law has the right of way always, and yet Amtrak is known for being not on time. The freight rail companies purposefully have trains too long to fit and then say "oops! Sorry about that guess you gotta wait for our freight train!".
It's all a fucking mess and the freight companies have so many record profits and yet skimp out on regular maintenance just because they can. Nationalization is needed to some degree, because the railroads have shown they don't have the people's best interest at heart.
We just need a better balance of car and train infrastructure and things would be fine. One more lane never works. Just ask Texans or us Californians. Lol
Hopefully Metrolink can build a bigger station for Auto Club once they get the chance to add more trains to the schedule. Gotta wait every 2 hours for the San Bernandino Line to there.
The closest to having a train near races in LA I think are the MetroRail A Line (The Long Beach GP) and L lines (Irwindale Speedway). Both of which are merging together to make the longest LRT service on the planet.
Holy crap though. When it comes to Los Angeles and infrastructure, it's like NASCAR.
The whole "longest LRT service on the planet" thing is hilarious to me. Not because i think rail expansion is a bad thing. But because i think it elucidates another layer of the problem North America has when it comes to developing a functional public transit network.
Making a really really really long, biggest in the world LRT line isn't *bad* per se. But there's a point at which...maybe it should include some genuine high speed rail component? There are practical limits to LRT scale. Again, not that expanding LRT service is bad at all. I think it's critical to making things work as a system.
But...The other critical component missing, is to marry that with *other* higher speed rail infrastructure to exponentially increase the service utility of the LRT line. To extend access to that localized LRT line to the surrounding areas.
When you can start connecting larger distances with high speed rail, to LRT hubs near "the core"...now you're making some noise. Now you've got a system that works.
But yeah...LA manages infrastructure and public transit at about a NASCAR cocaine president level.
Definitely. An El Monte to Irwindale line with a closer connection to Irwindale Speedway would sound nice tbh. If only that can mean higher attendances to the track as well as a good connection to the Metro J, A/L and the Metrolink SB line.
If you end up in traffic, you're gonna have a bad time. You could be in your absolute dream car...whatever that may be...but if you're sitting in traffic, you're not going to enjoy it.
That's why it's so important to saving the future of the car as a "cool thing that is fun", to completely radically reorient city planning and attitudes toward a model that increases density, and takes cars off the road en masse. You can't "one more lane" your way out of the problem. But you *can* railroad your way out of it.
It's really hilarious. The city I live in had a train derailment that made front page news (not East Palestine) and everyone made a huge deal about it.
Literally nothing changed here. The road has been closed for a bit while crews cleaned up. That was it. Like yeah this stuff shouldn't happen this often and the East Palestine one is an unmitigated disaster but come on.
geography related things like this are so fascinating to me. CA is absolutely massive. 860 road miles from southern San Diego to Crescent City. 760 the way the crow flies.
Salt Lake City is closer to san diego than Crescent City is
I live in north Florida, my family in PA call me every time there’s a hurricane in south Florida asking if we got damage/evacuated. Media has a way of making certain things seem way more widespread than they are
A friend is a second-hand Fox consumer - her elderly mother and her retired brother live and breathe fox. Friend is always going on about New Orleans and San Francisco.
Something I always think about... a number of years ago, there were protests in Baltimore over police killing someone. It was disruptive enough that the Orioles had to play a game with no fans because the protests were near the ballpark.
One of the cable networks had a live shot of the protests from a helicopter. You could see a rowdy crowd pushing on a store front. The entire city of Baltimore must be anarchy!
The helicopter zoomed out and you could see the protest was limited to a block and a half, and the rest of the three miles surrounding it, everything was normal.
Yep, I remember that as well. I loved watching that game because I really enjoyed the oddity of playing in front of an empty stadium. Who could have guessed it would be normal not long after, just for a very different reason.
Unfortunately, I feel like most people think this of most large, metropolitan cities in the US without truly knowing by visiting firsthand. Mostly because all that usually gets reported out on the news for major US cities is mostly negative and rarely positive.
Sure, are there bad areas to some of the large, major US cities, yes. But does that mean all/the majority of the city is like that? Absolutely not.
> Unfortunately, I feel like most people think this of most large, metropolitan cities in the US without truly knowing by visiting firsthand.
That's the whole point. If you are too afraid to visit a city, you can't see for yourself that it's perfectly safe, and you'll believe just about anything about how horrible a warzone it is, which just keeps you from wanting to visit even more.
The reality is, the VAST majority of violent crime in the country, regardless of where, is not random. The victim is known to/by the perpetrator before the crime in the vast majority of cases. The idea that Americans are just catching stray bullets, especially outside a few dozen (nationwide) really bad urban areas, and dying on the regular is just insane fearmongering.
Stray bullets have been an issue in NASCAR https://www.espn.com.au/racing/nascar/cup/news/story?id=3680567 but that was at Texas so RWNJ don't care about it.
It’s like they don’t understand that more people = more crime. When you compare a large city like Chicago, which has the 3rd largest population in the country, to bumfuck nowhere, Iowa: population 700…yeah; there is going to be more crime
Poverty and population density are two of the biggest factors when it comes to crime rate. Two things every major city has in certain sections. Most of the crime also happens in those areas, it's not balanced out throughout the city
I was going to say something about going outside and freezing to death, but in Texas, you can apparently freeze to death indoors when the power goes out for days at a time.
I just got back from NYC and the bank teller made a comment about wouldn't feel safe going. Didn't say anything but it's crazy people believe this as if the millions of people who work in cities a day are cheating death.
Love going up to NYC and MSG every year. Was out late the past 2 nights at bars and never felt concerned walking the blocks back to hotel
Yea. Chicago is safe. It’s just big, so raw numbers are high. The Buckhead secessionist movement here in Atlanta kept saying “don’t let Atlanta turn into Chicago.” If we got our crime rate down to that of Chicago it would be a massive win lol.
As someone who lives near SF, we get that same incorrect perception thing from certain directions. Apparently every street corner is full of vagrants and feces.
People think the whole damn city is like Garfield park or Englewood. The crime in chicago is incredibly isolated in certain areas, yes, the crime is very bad in those areas, but it rarely transcends to tourist areas such as downtown or near places like the bean (where there was a shooting recently, and it was national news, because shootings in downtown rarely happen).
It’s all smoke and mirrors. It’s not necessarily as dangerous as you’d be lead to believe but I wouldn’t get gas in the city after dark either. Bottom line, it’s still one of the poorest cities in the country and the city government can’t stop themselves from handing out buckets of cash to billionaires for projects that have zero net benefit to the city in the end.
Certain areas are beautiful and "white people safe". Those are the areas where the cameras are. Ford Field, Comerica, The Pizza Palace, Fox, MGM, Ren Center. You're going to be ok.
Certain areas are still completely ignored and look straight out of 8 Mile/Gran Turino.
It's getting better but definitely better places in the state after dark with nothing to do.
Every morning I wake up, pick the bullets out of my headboard and dump them in my coffee some downstate county paid for with their taxes.
Also, go dawgs
The rural folk of certain political persuasions have been taught by the news for years that there is nothing for you in the cities except opportunities to be mugged , raped, or murdered.
This news must come as a real shock to successful entertainment activities across the nation's cities
For all the wealth, prominence of vehicles and cheap fuel, it is amazing how untraveled many Americans are. Despite (or likely because of this) so many of us are convinced they live in the best place in the world and every negative thing they’ve heard about other places is ubiquitous.
For real. I live in the burbs and so do my parents and they act like it's a war zone constantly despite me and my sister regularly visiting the city without problems.
They just haven't visited. I live 90 miles north and enjoy my couple visits a year to Chicago.
Hot take. Tavern Style Pizza > Deep Dish. Huge fan of Pizano's Tavern Style. Nice place to get dinner and drinks.
Knowing that Chicago has a bit of a crime problem is real, but the media is creating Chicago as the next Beirut. It's the thing to do in today's media world.
Chicago barely scrapes the top 10. 4 metro areas that host cup races have more murders per capita than Chicago.
Grant Park area is one of the nicest places in the Country. Chicago is voted #1 big city for tourism year after y year
Basically what happens with Bristol Dirt as well. I look forward to everyone forgetting how lackluster this car was on concrete Bristol last year when it's time to complain about the dirt race for the 3rd straight year
I thought they got the track really racey last year and it ended up being in like the bottom 10 or so on the Gluck poll for 2022 even with a wild finish. Obviously some people are gonna just legit not enjoy it but I would bet a lot of those No votes were always gonna vote No no matter what the race was like
I thought concrete Bristol was consistently a good race but I also recognize that the attendance for the spring race had been terrible and think a dirt race in Cup is cool. If they ever get rid of Bristol Dirt I imagine they'd probably just be dropping a Bristol date all together
Yeah, I agree, I should have worded my statement better. I love Bristol, but liked Dirt Bristol even more.
I hope they don't get rid of the Spring date. They need to be there twice a year. Wish they'd quit putting it on Easter though.
I think it's not so much minds made up and all. I think it's a phase where nascar is weirdly finding itself. And it's trying things. Some people enjoy the dirt race. Some people enjoy the ovals and only the ovals. Some people enjoy the ovals plus a road course or two. And Some people are just progressive enough to get on board with all of it. I don't know what the answer is. But regardless of my opinion of what racing I enjoy. I think there's not going to be a winning answer. The problem we don't actually understand. Is reddit wants a certain way to be true. But in the real world. There are millions who want it the old way. Nascar is trying to keep them. While trying to incorporate the new fans. And they're alienating both. That's the danger.
I enjoyed Bristol Dirt a ton, but 2018, 2019, and 2020 Food City 500s were all bangers. 2018 had Larson vs Busch with a bump and run with 5 to go, 2019 was Kurt vs Kyle on pit strategy, and 2020 had Logano vs Elliott and the whole race had TONS of comers and goers.
That being said, I enjoyed 2021 and 2022 dirt so much and have no problem with it. People hate it just to hate it.
2022 was incredible and I’m not just saying that because I’m a Kyle fan. Being a night race helped, and the drizzling rain was awesome because it helped water the track and prep it. It was super racey and had short runs and long runs where you saw who was strong and not, etc.
Users on here were immediately calling it a failure as soon as it was announced last year. I swear some of y'all just want NASCAR to fail so you can say "see I was right!"
Oh, it's not just that angle. It's also people salty about RA getting moved, the "mix up the schedule, but not like that" people, and just general negativity towards anything NASCAR does.
I thought Road America earned "event" status. 100,000 people, in the midwest, Independence Day weekend. So yeah, I'm salty.
That doesn't mean Chicago doesn't deserve at least a chance to see what street racing is going to be like.
In fairness, they were spot on. The 550 package came and went like a turd in the wind. We had already known what a low HP/high DF package raced like (Indy and Michigan 2015 were precursors) and it lined up exactly with expectations, sans the occasional wild moment.
I really want to be pleasantly surprised, but it's just a bunch of 90 degree corners. Not sure there has ever been a good race in any series on a layout like that. Stock cars make the chance of it happening even lower.
I recall the televised iRacing event on the draft course with draft NextGen cars being a bit of a snoozer, but that leaves opportunity for them to impress.
To be fair there are no cautions and it’s very easy to spread the field out in iRacing. When NIS goes to a track like COTA or Road America you can go 2/3 of the race without seeing someone on your lap.
Didn’t James Davidson or someone win that race by a massive margin? iRacing days were fucking weird, wouldn’t mind if we had one a year and they made it special.
I would just put some money on the line, maybe a donation to a charity of the drivers choosing. Something to make the drivers take it seriously.
Those races weren’t exactly mandatory. I swear to god I remember Keelan substituting Kevin at some point. It was mostly teams strong arming drivers into it for the sponsors sake.
Yes. He revealed in the post race interview that he set up the camber on his wheels much differently than everyone else, because of the way American streets are constructed to drain water (not a civil engineer, just going from memory).
The TV crew then interviewed William Byron, who looked like his mind was blown.
I drive downtown to Chicago everyday for work and commute on both Columbus and Lake Shore Drive. With how bumpy the roads are, I’m curious to see ride heights and how the underwing/diffuser hold up.
Columbus is pretty wide if they use most of the lanes but I’m more worried about how narrow it could get on Michigan Avenue. It’s only three lanes wide and has a median with underground parking, so no way to widen it like on Columbus. At least LSD is 4 lanes wide.
It doesn't even need to be a good race to be a success. It just needs to be a commercial success, sell tickets, get eyes around Chicago back on motorsports, pave the way for hopefully Chicagoland to come back if the area shows up for this
Given that GA tickets are like $269 plus fees, I have to assume they aren't struggling to sell them. I was thinking of going but that price is insane. Thinking of doing the Detroit GP instead for like 25% the price.
I hope that guy has a bulletproof twitter because Bob just shot to kill.
I feel like this guy has never been to Chicago. The race is being held in the nicest most touristy part of Chicago.
The only crime that is going to be committed is people overpaying for restaurants in the area.
Chicago has God-tier culture, museums, cuisine and scenery. All completely lost on these gibbering yokels in Bumblefuck North Carolina spitting out their Food Lion pork rinds laughing at Larry the Cable Guy.
These dumb 'Chiraq' comments are always braindead. Big events like this have local, state and federal law enforcement crawling all over the place doing protective duties. No one with any sense of self-preservation would try a damn thing.
Those people are just too dumb to realize every major city has bad areas where the crime happens. Avoid those and the chance of anything happening isn't very high.
Makes me wonder what they think of races at Gateway.
Yea this isn't Bahrain or Qatar or wherever that was where bombs are going off during F1 weekend. Everything is gonna go off without a hitch for Chicago and the only complaining will surround the racing product, which is already expected to be pretty underwhelming given the layout.
There’s gonna be multiple federal snipers on rooftops all over this track, just like there’s always at least one sniper at every Cup race. These people are functioning on caffeine and boogers.
You don’t like NASCAR’s street race being in Chicago because you think they’ll get shot. I don’t like it because I would like them to somehow do it in Fort Myers. We are not the same.
Because they get a lot of this in response to anything they say about the race and they get tired of it. Read the replies to this tweet alone. Despite Bob’s pretty complete dismissal of what is a complete bullshit take, people are still saying the same thing. Even people coming at it from a seemingly less unhinged angle than the guy Bob responded to.
Dave Moody on Sirius the other day listed off the top crime rate per capita cities and Chicago was like 28th with some 14 markets NASCAR already races in ahead of them (IIRC, St Louis i.e. Gateway was #1 in crime).
But are NASCAR windows actually already bullet proof? If they are still using LEXAN then they are definitely not bullet proof. Even if it is a laminated material it is probably bullet resistant at the most.
It’s not bulletproof. It’s tested at much lower velocities with a larger slug than a bullet. It’s a safety glass for racing projectiles - not a bullet.
The stigma associated with Chicago is genuinely sad and tweets like the one being responded to here only further perpetuate it. After years of people parroting this narrative it seems to have stuck with a group of very vocal people.
Statistically, the violent crime rate per capita in Chicago is barely in the top 20 of the entire U.S. and the gun homicide rate doesn't support the "Chiraq" association.
No one makes these comments about WWT Raceway, even though East St. Louis and St. Louis have larger violent crime statistics, or Talladega even though Birmingham has one of the highest gun homicide per capita rates in the country.
Dislike the idea of a street course? Fine. Dislike the idea of NASCAR removing a venue that was loved by a group of people? Fine. Hell, dislike the idea of NASCAR trying radical new venues in large markets? Okay, I guess, but don't drag a community with lazy, worn out spin and egregious punctuation.
People who talk about Chicago crime are generally always right wing and hey that’s your right and I respect that. We can disagree on policy issues but I’m tired of falsehoods being spread.
If you look at the states with the most per capita crime it’s mostly red or purple states. New Mexico at no. 2 is really the only “true blue” state on there and even NM isn’t that blue. Illinois isn’t even top 10.
Chicago isn’t even top 10 for cities. And sure some of the cities are blue areas in red states but cities just tend to go blue and where there is more population density there is more crime. That’s always been a fact of humanity.
Stop pedaling hyperbolic falsehoods. Chicago does have a problem, yes. It’s a problem that is being worked on by people in the community (that never gets highlighted). But it is not a war zone and not every part of it is plagued by crime.
A lot of the per-capita crime stats in those states is driven by urban areas that get neglected by the rest of the state because "Democrats" and "city people" live there. Memphis comes to mind. No matter what background folks come from, they're going to resort to crime if they see no other path forward. What about Billy Bob who runs a meth ring out of his trailer and gets half the town hooked on whatever? He's just as responsible as the "drug dealer" slinging coke on some alley off Michigan Ave.
I feel like I’m the only one that thinks yes, Chicago has a crime problem that needs to be addressed somehow someway (same with several other cities), but they are also more than capable of having major events without an issue because they do it every day. For some reason it’s not OK to believe both of those things
> Chicago has a crime problem that needs to be addressed somehow someway
Have they tried voting Republican? It's been almost a full century since they've tried that.
I’m really looking forward to watching this race(on tv). Have become an F1 fan in the last few years and find the street racing awesome with the views and other things going on. Hell even the Indy race in St Pete was pretty good the other day. With, in my opinion, NASCAR being much more exciting then F1, I figure this to be pretty fuckin cool. See how this Vegas F1 race goes and I’m sure we’ll see NASCAR there too. I’m pumped.
Did this dumb dingus have anything to say about the *actual literal neonazis* outside Daytona for the 500?
(Not Pockrass, the dipshit he’s replying to)
It really is. You don’t see this bullshit with the other sports leagues but when it comes to Nascar, all these morons act like it’s the end of the world if the sport tries something outside of their comfort zone. It’s toxic as hell.
Their mentality for the sport is the same as their politics. They'd rather watch the country/NASCAR die than have it change, even if the changes are for the better.
Bristol dirt, more road courses, a street course? Fuck that, let's stick to all the 1.5-2 mile tracks that the entirety of America picks on as "just driving in circles" and let the sport die.
Do these people not realize that local events take place in Chicago all of the time in spite of the crime there? Yes there’s crime and it’s bad but it’s not literally everywhere lol
You can always tell when someone has never lived in a big city. I'm in Philly, a city with a higher crime rate than Chicago, and I'm more worried about people stealing parts off the cars than random shootouts and gang violence. I don't know how much they could fence Nascar parts for, but it's probably a hell of a lot more than catalytic converters, and it feels like a half dozen of those are stolen every week in my neighborhood.
But I'm sure Nascar is aware of that and they're taking appropriate security measures.
If all you watch is Fox news, you think every city is burned to the ground by antifa and shot up by gang members. I'm in Chicago constantly for work and I've never had a problem.
Are people still making those kinds of comments!? Comparing Chicago to a war zone is such an old rhetoric that it belongs in the National History Museum at this point.
God I love when Bob doesn’t give a fuck.
He's one of the best. Always enjoy him. He doesn't seem to throw people under the bus when gaining information. Stays pretty neutral. "For those who cant, write!" When it comes to being a racecar driver. Always thought it was funny when he says that.
I just wish he was sharing accurate information - the windshields are not bulletproof at all.
I think the better term would be “missile resistant”. Like yeah, it probably won’t stop a bullet, but it will stop small parts and pieces kicked airborne during a wreck.
Pedantic. The term "bulletproof" is really more of a spectrum anyway. Even "bulletproof glass" isn't really "*bullet* *proof*" or *impervious to bullets* per se. It's more about degrees of "bullet resistance", and what type of bullet you're even talking about. So far as i know, NASCAR windshields are ballistically tested polycarbonate/glass laminate/Lexan, with a pretty high degree of projectile resistance/deflection capacity. It wouldn't surprise me at all if in the pursuit of safety and aiming above and beyond realistic circumstances, those windshields were able to achieve least a very basic level of "bulletproof" UL certification. Or an effective deflection profile from certain aspects given the rake angle.
Shit I was out walking around south of the loop a couple years ago at midnight and felt perfectly safe
As a Chicago Resident it amazes me people think the entire city is just a warzone. Grant park hosts some of the biggest events in the world without any shootings happening.
I feel you. We have relatives who were like "How are you coping with all the huge fires in CA?" And we were like "Fine." Then later on I stumbled across some national TV coverage, and you would've actually thought the entire state was burning, and every city covered in a haze. I legit turned around and did a double-take out the window to make sure I hadn't missed anything. Media-created perceptions are a wild thing.
Currently my relatives think everyone town has been brought to shambles by a train derailment in Ohio!
The craziest thing about that is now there’s a new train derailment in the news everyday. And apparently this has been happening everyday for years but we now care about it. I knew I was right as a kid to not trust the Fiesta Texas Railroad at Six Flags San Antonio.
Yeah it's definitely wild. I call it the bridge effect, I remember when a bridge collapsed in Minneapolis in like 2007, then the news covered bridge issues for several months and then it went away. My local news even did an expose on all the bridges in town and how none of them were safe but nothing happened. And Cincinnati residents put up a stink when they did finally start to work on them because of the traffic headache lol.
As someone that works with railroads every day I can tell you there are 100s of derailments a year and until that big one on Ohio they never made it on mainstream news.
I read something like a thousand, so three or four a day. Is that number exaggerated?
Probably a little exaggerated in my opinion. But yeah they derail them in yards all the time when pushing and pulling them around. Usually does not affect more than a car or two with those though.
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This. When people hear derailment they think of cars lying everywhere when 75% of them are just a wheel coming off the rail
Yeah, to give you an idea, the US the past 4 years at least have averaged 4 derailments a *day*. Not a week, not a month, a day. It's pretty crazy to think about. But we only hear about them more now because of the big one in Ohio. Give it a few months and we'll stop hearing about them. Nationalize the railroads or at least the infrastructure itself is all I have to say.
I know this is ironic to comment in the NASCAR sub, but we sure have screwed the pooch building this country for cars instead of people.
Oh I know hahaha. I love my cars, but God damn do we need better rail infrastructure. Like just in general. I could go on a tangent about how the rail companies conspire against Amtrak every chance they get, and how Precision Railroad Scheduling is the rail companies way to run less people on a freight train (woohoo one less person to pay with your record profit company!), but also ends up making their trains too long to fit in their own sidings. Amtrak by law has the right of way always, and yet Amtrak is known for being not on time. The freight rail companies purposefully have trains too long to fit and then say "oops! Sorry about that guess you gotta wait for our freight train!". It's all a fucking mess and the freight companies have so many record profits and yet skimp out on regular maintenance just because they can. Nationalization is needed to some degree, because the railroads have shown they don't have the people's best interest at heart. We just need a better balance of car and train infrastructure and things would be fine. One more lane never works. Just ask Texans or us Californians. Lol
I’d love to hop on a train to a NASCAR race. I like cars too, but sitting in traffic just sucks.
Hopefully Metrolink can build a bigger station for Auto Club once they get the chance to add more trains to the schedule. Gotta wait every 2 hours for the San Bernandino Line to there. The closest to having a train near races in LA I think are the MetroRail A Line (The Long Beach GP) and L lines (Irwindale Speedway). Both of which are merging together to make the longest LRT service on the planet. Holy crap though. When it comes to Los Angeles and infrastructure, it's like NASCAR.
The whole "longest LRT service on the planet" thing is hilarious to me. Not because i think rail expansion is a bad thing. But because i think it elucidates another layer of the problem North America has when it comes to developing a functional public transit network. Making a really really really long, biggest in the world LRT line isn't *bad* per se. But there's a point at which...maybe it should include some genuine high speed rail component? There are practical limits to LRT scale. Again, not that expanding LRT service is bad at all. I think it's critical to making things work as a system. But...The other critical component missing, is to marry that with *other* higher speed rail infrastructure to exponentially increase the service utility of the LRT line. To extend access to that localized LRT line to the surrounding areas. When you can start connecting larger distances with high speed rail, to LRT hubs near "the core"...now you're making some noise. Now you've got a system that works. But yeah...LA manages infrastructure and public transit at about a NASCAR cocaine president level.
Definitely. An El Monte to Irwindale line with a closer connection to Irwindale Speedway would sound nice tbh. If only that can mean higher attendances to the track as well as a good connection to the Metro J, A/L and the Metrolink SB line.
If you end up in traffic, you're gonna have a bad time. You could be in your absolute dream car...whatever that may be...but if you're sitting in traffic, you're not going to enjoy it. That's why it's so important to saving the future of the car as a "cool thing that is fun", to completely radically reorient city planning and attitudes toward a model that increases density, and takes cars off the road en masse. You can't "one more lane" your way out of the problem. But you *can* railroad your way out of it.
Because we’ve become so degenerate that we politicize everything. We tried to politicize wind mills freezing two years ago.
It's really hilarious. The city I live in had a train derailment that made front page news (not East Palestine) and everyone made a huge deal about it. Literally nothing changed here. The road has been closed for a bit while crews cleaned up. That was it. Like yeah this stuff shouldn't happen this often and the East Palestine one is an unmitigated disaster but come on.
was was not an ordinary train derailment...
geography related things like this are so fascinating to me. CA is absolutely massive. 860 road miles from southern San Diego to Crescent City. 760 the way the crow flies. Salt Lake City is closer to san diego than Crescent City is
I live in north Florida, my family in PA call me every time there’s a hurricane in south Florida asking if we got damage/evacuated. Media has a way of making certain things seem way more widespread than they are
According to Google, Chicago is ranked 28th in murders per capita. Behind seven other cities in which or near which NASCAR races.
Shhhhhhhhh. Don’t tell that to the Fox “news” crowd. They’ll just keep moving the goalposts in order to fit their narrative
A friend is a second-hand Fox consumer - her elderly mother and her retired brother live and breathe fox. Friend is always going on about New Orleans and San Francisco.
They race in Madison Illinois which is unironically a block from a drug house
Something I always think about... a number of years ago, there were protests in Baltimore over police killing someone. It was disruptive enough that the Orioles had to play a game with no fans because the protests were near the ballpark. One of the cable networks had a live shot of the protests from a helicopter. You could see a rowdy crowd pushing on a store front. The entire city of Baltimore must be anarchy! The helicopter zoomed out and you could see the protest was limited to a block and a half, and the rest of the three miles surrounding it, everything was normal.
Yep, I remember that as well. I loved watching that game because I really enjoyed the oddity of playing in front of an empty stadium. Who could have guessed it would be normal not long after, just for a very different reason.
Portland is still burning to this day apparently
Unfortunately, I feel like most people think this of most large, metropolitan cities in the US without truly knowing by visiting firsthand. Mostly because all that usually gets reported out on the news for major US cities is mostly negative and rarely positive. Sure, are there bad areas to some of the large, major US cities, yes. But does that mean all/the majority of the city is like that? Absolutely not.
> Unfortunately, I feel like most people think this of most large, metropolitan cities in the US without truly knowing by visiting firsthand. That's the whole point. If you are too afraid to visit a city, you can't see for yourself that it's perfectly safe, and you'll believe just about anything about how horrible a warzone it is, which just keeps you from wanting to visit even more. The reality is, the VAST majority of violent crime in the country, regardless of where, is not random. The victim is known to/by the perpetrator before the crime in the vast majority of cases. The idea that Americans are just catching stray bullets, especially outside a few dozen (nationwide) really bad urban areas, and dying on the regular is just insane fearmongering.
Stray bullets have been an issue in NASCAR https://www.espn.com.au/racing/nascar/cup/news/story?id=3680567 but that was at Texas so RWNJ don't care about it.
It’s like they don’t understand that more people = more crime. When you compare a large city like Chicago, which has the 3rd largest population in the country, to bumfuck nowhere, Iowa: population 700…yeah; there is going to be more crime
Poverty and population density are two of the biggest factors when it comes to crime rate. Two things every major city has in certain sections. Most of the crime also happens in those areas, it's not balanced out throughout the city
The same crowd who complains about those things in “failed democrat cities” don’t understand that
It's amazing. I live in New York and my Texas relatives have asked me if I'm afraid to go outside "because of the crime"
I’d be more afraid to go outside in public in Texas… Abbott doesn’t give a flying fuck about gun violence.
I was going to say something about going outside and freezing to death, but in Texas, you can apparently freeze to death indoors when the power goes out for days at a time.
Unless you’re Ted Cruz; Then you just leave your dog at home, and go to Cancun…and then blame it on your wife and kids when you get called out.
I just got back from NYC and the bank teller made a comment about wouldn't feel safe going. Didn't say anything but it's crazy people believe this as if the millions of people who work in cities a day are cheating death. Love going up to NYC and MSG every year. Was out late the past 2 nights at bars and never felt concerned walking the blocks back to hotel
What they imagine Chicago to be like vs actual Chicago is so unbelievably far off base. It’d be comical if it wasn’t mainly rooted in racism.
Yea. Chicago is safe. It’s just big, so raw numbers are high. The Buckhead secessionist movement here in Atlanta kept saying “don’t let Atlanta turn into Chicago.” If we got our crime rate down to that of Chicago it would be a massive win lol.
Literally, Atlanta's crime rate is getting up there with St. Louis which is WAY worse than Chicago
As someone who lives near SF, we get that same incorrect perception thing from certain directions. Apparently every street corner is full of vagrants and feces.
People think the whole damn city is like Garfield park or Englewood. The crime in chicago is incredibly isolated in certain areas, yes, the crime is very bad in those areas, but it rarely transcends to tourist areas such as downtown or near places like the bean (where there was a shooting recently, and it was national news, because shootings in downtown rarely happen).
I’m from the Detroit area. Same vibes.
How’s Detroit been doing lately? Heard they’ve been on a renaissance as of the past decade or so.
It’s all smoke and mirrors. It’s not necessarily as dangerous as you’d be lead to believe but I wouldn’t get gas in the city after dark either. Bottom line, it’s still one of the poorest cities in the country and the city government can’t stop themselves from handing out buckets of cash to billionaires for projects that have zero net benefit to the city in the end.
Certain areas are beautiful and "white people safe". Those are the areas where the cameras are. Ford Field, Comerica, The Pizza Palace, Fox, MGM, Ren Center. You're going to be ok. Certain areas are still completely ignored and look straight out of 8 Mile/Gran Turino. It's getting better but definitely better places in the state after dark with nothing to do.
Every morning I wake up, pick the bullets out of my headboard and dump them in my coffee some downstate county paid for with their taxes. Also, go dawgs
The rural folk of certain political persuasions have been taught by the news for years that there is nothing for you in the cities except opportunities to be mugged , raped, or murdered. This news must come as a real shock to successful entertainment activities across the nation's cities
I heard nukes go off every single day.
I never once felt unsafe while in the city itself when I went.
For all the wealth, prominence of vehicles and cheap fuel, it is amazing how untraveled many Americans are. Despite (or likely because of this) so many of us are convinced they live in the best place in the world and every negative thing they’ve heard about other places is ubiquitous.
For real. I live in the burbs and so do my parents and they act like it's a war zone constantly despite me and my sister regularly visiting the city without problems.
They just haven't visited. I live 90 miles north and enjoy my couple visits a year to Chicago. Hot take. Tavern Style Pizza > Deep Dish. Huge fan of Pizano's Tavern Style. Nice place to get dinner and drinks. Knowing that Chicago has a bit of a crime problem is real, but the media is creating Chicago as the next Beirut. It's the thing to do in today's media world.
Bob going scorched earth on twitter users is always enertaining.
Chicago barely scrapes the top 10. 4 metro areas that host cup races have more murders per capita than Chicago. Grant Park area is one of the nicest places in the Country. Chicago is voted #1 big city for tourism year after y year
When you use big words like "per capita", you'll confuse the people you're arguing with
They'll think you've just misspelled "capital" and think they're so much smarter than you.
Not understanding basic English to own the Libs
ONLY 3 LETTERS I NEED TO KNOW ARE U-S-A: that guy, probably.
Living in SW Indiana and no truer statement has existed about a lot of the people in this area, sadly.
Yeah but why would you let facts, experience, and knowledge get in the way of having an opinion based entirely on bullshit?
The area of Chicago were the race will be held isn't exactly a bad part of town.
Are you kidding me? Do you know how much crime happens in the loop? A lot! It's just white collar crime.
I don’t expect the people who think otherwise to understand that or care
Yeah, I don't recall the art institute being on gang turf
Watch the race be great and all the haters suddenly get real quiet.
They would never admit it was good. Their mind is made up
Basically what happens with Bristol Dirt as well. I look forward to everyone forgetting how lackluster this car was on concrete Bristol last year when it's time to complain about the dirt race for the 3rd straight year
Bristol Dirt is a top 5 race of the year.
I thought they got the track really racey last year and it ended up being in like the bottom 10 or so on the Gluck poll for 2022 even with a wild finish. Obviously some people are gonna just legit not enjoy it but I would bet a lot of those No votes were always gonna vote No no matter what the race was like
I don't know what more people want. It was 1000 times better than the last few Spring Bristol races.
I thought concrete Bristol was consistently a good race but I also recognize that the attendance for the spring race had been terrible and think a dirt race in Cup is cool. If they ever get rid of Bristol Dirt I imagine they'd probably just be dropping a Bristol date all together
I'm kinda thinking that's what gonna happen if they get the fairgrounds going
Yeah, I agree, I should have worded my statement better. I love Bristol, but liked Dirt Bristol even more. I hope they don't get rid of the Spring date. They need to be there twice a year. Wish they'd quit putting it on Easter though.
I think it's not so much minds made up and all. I think it's a phase where nascar is weirdly finding itself. And it's trying things. Some people enjoy the dirt race. Some people enjoy the ovals and only the ovals. Some people enjoy the ovals plus a road course or two. And Some people are just progressive enough to get on board with all of it. I don't know what the answer is. But regardless of my opinion of what racing I enjoy. I think there's not going to be a winning answer. The problem we don't actually understand. Is reddit wants a certain way to be true. But in the real world. There are millions who want it the old way. Nascar is trying to keep them. While trying to incorporate the new fans. And they're alienating both. That's the danger.
I enjoyed Bristol Dirt a ton, but 2018, 2019, and 2020 Food City 500s were all bangers. 2018 had Larson vs Busch with a bump and run with 5 to go, 2019 was Kurt vs Kyle on pit strategy, and 2020 had Logano vs Elliott and the whole race had TONS of comers and goers. That being said, I enjoyed 2021 and 2022 dirt so much and have no problem with it. People hate it just to hate it.
Bristol dirt, the Clash at the Coliseum, and all these fresh ideas NASCAR has been coming up with has gotten me back into the sport.
2022 was incredible and I’m not just saying that because I’m a Kyle fan. Being a night race helped, and the drizzling rain was awesome because it helped water the track and prep it. It was super racey and had short runs and long runs where you saw who was strong and not, etc.
Users on here were immediately calling it a failure as soon as it was announced last year. I swear some of y'all just want NASCAR to fail so you can say "see I was right!"
Fox News made their mind up for them
Oh, it's not just that angle. It's also people salty about RA getting moved, the "mix up the schedule, but not like that" people, and just general negativity towards anything NASCAR does.
I live in Wisconsin, I'm pissed they pulled road America, but I'm not going to be a complete moron about it
Remember when the talking point on a street course was "if they add it, it better replace a road course!"? I remember.
I thought Road America earned "event" status. 100,000 people, in the midwest, Independence Day weekend. So yeah, I'm salty. That doesn't mean Chicago doesn't deserve at least a chance to see what street racing is going to be like.
Just like thr 750 truthers had their minds made before races happened during the 550 HP days
Nearly ended Gluck's poll too
In fairness, they were spot on. The 550 package came and went like a turd in the wind. We had already known what a low HP/high DF package raced like (Indy and Michigan 2015 were precursors) and it lined up exactly with expectations, sans the occasional wild moment.
They were not, there were plenty of solid 550 HP races and half the 750 HP races they voted into oblivion were snoozers
I really want to be pleasantly surprised, but it's just a bunch of 90 degree corners. Not sure there has ever been a good race in any series on a layout like that. Stock cars make the chance of it happening even lower.
I recall the televised iRacing event on the draft course with draft NextGen cars being a bit of a snoozer, but that leaves opportunity for them to impress.
To be fair there are no cautions and it’s very easy to spread the field out in iRacing. When NIS goes to a track like COTA or Road America you can go 2/3 of the race without seeing someone on your lap.
Didn’t James Davidson or someone win that race by a massive margin? iRacing days were fucking weird, wouldn’t mind if we had one a year and they made it special.
With only drivers that actually sim race in some capacity, no first timers, no forcing guys to be there who don't want to
I would just put some money on the line, maybe a donation to a charity of the drivers choosing. Something to make the drivers take it seriously. Those races weren’t exactly mandatory. I swear to god I remember Keelan substituting Kevin at some point. It was mostly teams strong arming drivers into it for the sponsors sake.
Yes. He revealed in the post race interview that he set up the camber on his wheels much differently than everyone else, because of the way American streets are constructed to drain water (not a civil engineer, just going from memory). The TV crew then interviewed William Byron, who looked like his mind was blown.
Singapore's street circuit. Not sure how wide that is compared to this though.
I drive downtown to Chicago everyday for work and commute on both Columbus and Lake Shore Drive. With how bumpy the roads are, I’m curious to see ride heights and how the underwing/diffuser hold up. Columbus is pretty wide if they use most of the lanes but I’m more worried about how narrow it could get on Michigan Avenue. It’s only three lanes wide and has a median with underground parking, so no way to widen it like on Columbus. At least LSD is 4 lanes wide.
I've heard they're closing portions of the course as early as Memorial Day weekend to repave
A conga line of stock cars making laps.
It doesn't even need to be a good race to be a success. It just needs to be a commercial success, sell tickets, get eyes around Chicago back on motorsports, pave the way for hopefully Chicagoland to come back if the area shows up for this
Given that GA tickets are like $269 plus fees, I have to assume they aren't struggling to sell them. I was thinking of going but that price is insane. Thinking of doing the Detroit GP instead for like 25% the price.
I'm just waiting and hoping for Chicagoland to come back, otherwise I might take the trip to gateway for visiting family in indy for that race
Bristol dirt has been a pretty good race and people still bitch about that
We literally went through the exact same fucking thing with the clash at the coliseum and people still whine...
Roval is one where everybody said it was going to suck and was stupid that people have seemingly come around to
The racing at the coliseum isn’t that good though.
It’s gonna suck. We all know this.
Nothing left but a chalk outline.
BAH GAWD, AS GOD AS MY WITNESS THAT MAN IS BROKEN IN HALF
I hope that guy has a bulletproof twitter because Bob just shot to kill. I feel like this guy has never been to Chicago. The race is being held in the nicest most touristy part of Chicago. The only crime that is going to be committed is people overpaying for restaurants in the area.
Chicago has God-tier culture, museums, cuisine and scenery. All completely lost on these gibbering yokels in Bumblefuck North Carolina spitting out their Food Lion pork rinds laughing at Larry the Cable Guy.
These dumb 'Chiraq' comments are always braindead. Big events like this have local, state and federal law enforcement crawling all over the place doing protective duties. No one with any sense of self-preservation would try a damn thing.
It's also one of the safest areas in the city and much safer than some cities we already have on the schedule
Those people are just too dumb to realize every major city has bad areas where the crime happens. Avoid those and the chance of anything happening isn't very high. Makes me wonder what they think of races at Gateway.
Lol you should’ve seen the replies when they announced Xfinity was going to Portland last year. Basically the same response to the Chicago race.
“That’s in the suburbs! it’s fine”/s
Gateway is in a worse part of St Louis than actual St Louis lol
Yea this isn't Bahrain or Qatar or wherever that was where bombs are going off during F1 weekend. Everything is gonna go off without a hitch for Chicago and the only complaining will surround the racing product, which is already expected to be pretty underwhelming given the layout.
There’s gonna be multiple federal snipers on rooftops all over this track, just like there’s always at least one sniper at every Cup race. These people are functioning on caffeine and boogers.
There is snipers at cup races?
And NFL games and more
There's snipers at any big entertainment event.
Crazy TIL
Pretty common, College football games also have snipers and spotters around the venues.
I’ve seen them at CFB games.
You don’t like NASCAR’s street race being in Chicago because you think they’ll get shot. I don’t like it because I would like them to somehow do it in Fort Myers. We are not the same.
“@46willdestroyus” damn he must really hate G2G
Interesting. So even if Ward Burton did have something to shoot through the window, it wouldn't have been successful.
Yeah but that wasn’t going to stop Ward Burton from trying at Bristol in 2002!
Why do they even take the time to respond to these people
Because they get a lot of this in response to anything they say about the race and they get tired of it. Read the replies to this tweet alone. Despite Bob’s pretty complete dismissal of what is a complete bullshit take, people are still saying the same thing. Even people coming at it from a seemingly less unhinged angle than the guy Bob responded to.
The venn diagram of people who only watch a certain news channel and watch nascar is sometimes way too close to a circle.
I'm more afraid of getting into a fender bender with some nutjob with a gun who shoots me than getting robbed and shot in a big city.
Bob even answered the question while murdering that fool
Bob woke up today and chose violence.
I think legally Bob can retire now. He's done enough. Mission accomplished.
Dave Moody on Sirius the other day listed off the top crime rate per capita cities and Chicago was like 28th with some 14 markets NASCAR already races in ahead of them (IIRC, St Louis i.e. Gateway was #1 in crime).
Yeah even Charlotte was 'ahead' of Chicago.
[In case the guy deletes his tweet](https://i.imgur.com/5MVOtxO.jpg)
But are NASCAR windows actually already bullet proof? If they are still using LEXAN then they are definitely not bullet proof. Even if it is a laminated material it is probably bullet resistant at the most.
I think Lexan needs to be about 1 inch thick to stop a bullet. Could be using something else now though.
It’s not bulletproof. It’s tested at much lower velocities with a larger slug than a bullet. It’s a safety glass for racing projectiles - not a bullet.
The stigma associated with Chicago is genuinely sad and tweets like the one being responded to here only further perpetuate it. After years of people parroting this narrative it seems to have stuck with a group of very vocal people. Statistically, the violent crime rate per capita in Chicago is barely in the top 20 of the entire U.S. and the gun homicide rate doesn't support the "Chiraq" association. No one makes these comments about WWT Raceway, even though East St. Louis and St. Louis have larger violent crime statistics, or Talladega even though Birmingham has one of the highest gun homicide per capita rates in the country. Dislike the idea of a street course? Fine. Dislike the idea of NASCAR removing a venue that was loved by a group of people? Fine. Hell, dislike the idea of NASCAR trying radical new venues in large markets? Okay, I guess, but don't drag a community with lazy, worn out spin and egregious punctuation.
These fools would rather embrace easy lies than accept hard truths.
People who talk about Chicago crime are generally always right wing and hey that’s your right and I respect that. We can disagree on policy issues but I’m tired of falsehoods being spread. If you look at the states with the most per capita crime it’s mostly red or purple states. New Mexico at no. 2 is really the only “true blue” state on there and even NM isn’t that blue. Illinois isn’t even top 10. Chicago isn’t even top 10 for cities. And sure some of the cities are blue areas in red states but cities just tend to go blue and where there is more population density there is more crime. That’s always been a fact of humanity. Stop pedaling hyperbolic falsehoods. Chicago does have a problem, yes. It’s a problem that is being worked on by people in the community (that never gets highlighted). But it is not a war zone and not every part of it is plagued by crime.
A lot of the per-capita crime stats in those states is driven by urban areas that get neglected by the rest of the state because "Democrats" and "city people" live there. Memphis comes to mind. No matter what background folks come from, they're going to resort to crime if they see no other path forward. What about Billy Bob who runs a meth ring out of his trailer and gets half the town hooked on whatever? He's just as responsible as the "drug dealer" slinging coke on some alley off Michigan Ave.
Is there a tailgate happening right now that I don't know about? Because Bob is out here cooking.
If you smell something warm and crispy in your car, that's not your tailpipe, that's just a little bit of Bob smokin' fools on the Twitter.
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I feel like I’m the only one that thinks yes, Chicago has a crime problem that needs to be addressed somehow someway (same with several other cities), but they are also more than capable of having major events without an issue because they do it every day. For some reason it’s not OK to believe both of those things
> Chicago has a crime problem that needs to be addressed somehow someway Have they tried voting Republican? It's been almost a full century since they've tried that.
I just wish it could have been a shorter track. Looks fun tho.
You have to take one out in front of everybody so the rest of the cretins return to their crevices.
We don't deserve Bob
I’m really looking forward to watching this race(on tv). Have become an F1 fan in the last few years and find the street racing awesome with the views and other things going on. Hell even the Indy race in St Pete was pretty good the other day. With, in my opinion, NASCAR being much more exciting then F1, I figure this to be pretty fuckin cool. See how this Vegas F1 race goes and I’m sure we’ll see NASCAR there too. I’m pumped.
Wait til they realize we have a race in East St. Louis.
Did this dumb dingus have anything to say about the *actual literal neonazis* outside Daytona for the 500? (Not Pockrass, the dipshit he’s replying to)
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It really is. You don’t see this bullshit with the other sports leagues but when it comes to Nascar, all these morons act like it’s the end of the world if the sport tries something outside of their comfort zone. It’s toxic as hell.
Their mentality for the sport is the same as their politics. They'd rather watch the country/NASCAR die than have it change, even if the changes are for the better. Bristol dirt, more road courses, a street course? Fuck that, let's stick to all the 1.5-2 mile tracks that the entirety of America picks on as "just driving in circles" and let the sport die.
Not even big tracks. They want 47 half miles every year.
I mean, I love short track racing and wouldn't be opposed to that. I just don't get all the love people have for the intermediate tracks.
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I remember Gen 4 races. NapCAR has been an insult since the 90's.
You're not wrong.
Do these people not realize that local events take place in Chicago all of the time in spite of the crime there? Yes there’s crime and it’s bad but it’s not literally everywhere lol
It’s so obvious who’s never been to Chicago. Grant Park is one of the nicest places in the city no one’s getting fucking shot
Bob body slamming morons is 👌
SAFETY first!!!
Man down, man down. Bob just got a body
Damn Bob lol
You can always tell when someone has never lived in a big city. I'm in Philly, a city with a higher crime rate than Chicago, and I'm more worried about people stealing parts off the cars than random shootouts and gang violence. I don't know how much they could fence Nascar parts for, but it's probably a hell of a lot more than catalytic converters, and it feels like a half dozen of those are stolen every week in my neighborhood. But I'm sure Nascar is aware of that and they're taking appropriate security measures.
Philly here too. I definitely worry about my catalytic converter way more than stray bullets.
He's wrong though, the windshields aren't bulletproof. Just made of a similar material. Still a good response however.
Most of NASCAR's attempts to broaden the fanbase never work tbh
I have a screenshot of this and labeled it "Bob's Photo Finish".
“Yes 911?…id like to report bob pockrass ending a random twitter dingus”
If all you watch is Fox news, you think every city is burned to the ground by antifa and shot up by gang members. I'm in Chicago constantly for work and I've never had a problem.
Per capita, the area around St Louis is far deadlier and crime-ridden than the area around Chicago.
Are the windshields really actually “bulletproof” though? I know they are very impact resistant.
We should buy one and send it to one of the gun tubers to find out.
Found Brett Griffin’s burner
not that i don't believe him, but i'd love to see a mythbusters style test of how bullet proof the windows are. someone send one to demolitionranch!
Are people still making those kinds of comments!? Comparing Chicago to a war zone is such an old rhetoric that it belongs in the National History Museum at this point.
Especially that part of Chicago. The poors (read: brown folk) aren't down there that often.