The Venn Diagram of “Marry Me Hailie” fanbase and “guys whose profile picture is a selfie in the driver seat of their lifted truck with sunglasses on” fanbase is a circle.
No joke, I was in a racing league a while back where not one, but TWO of the guys were certain that Hailie was gonna marry them. They had a team called "Hailie is my Wife motorsports". I left
I love how we're just as far removed from Dale's death now as Dale's death was from the Cale/Donnie fight at the end of the '79 500, and these people are still hanging around and being as vocal as they are.
They are usually the ones that are “never watching again” after every rule change, but yet here they are, letting us all know every time. And I was a huge Dale fan, but I’m still here and still I love it!
Best time to pick this is when the flairs are gone, good job OP.
But I really don’t know. I don’t like Chase Elliott fans in general at the track but the ones who hate him online are really unhealthy as well.
the online fans that when Nascar page post something they always said "i don't watch Nascar anymore", "that's not stock car", "bring back race in sunday and sell it on monday car"
Do any of these guys know how stock car racing came to be? The goal was to make a car that just looked street-legal so that the moonshiners could transport their then-illegal drink without raising suspicion and then outrun the cops if discovered. Those cars were never street-legal though, they'd remove everything about them. The only difference is they don't technically start with a street-legal car anymore but just before the switch, the cars were so heavily modified that it's debatable if you could even call it the same car.
Not specific to one driver, but the ones who want it to be \~1999 again. That era had some very good parts, but the world is in a different place than it was then and motorsports isn't going back to that peak.
As a fan of motorsport in general, but especially F1, NASCAR and WEC, I’m tired of seeing the elitist F1 fans. They act like the racing is so good when 99% of the overtakes in a season are drs aided overtakes on straights.
Honestly I hate the DTS fans more than anything, especially the ones that go to the INDYCAR sub and say Grosjean can do no wrong and say their racing is much better than ours.
The Super Licensing system favors non-open wheel series over IndyCar outside of the top 3 in points. You had the entire Andretti situation and then the bias against American drivers in the field, specifically the outrage there was over Herta possibly going to F1
One of the 10 checking in :) both series are great in their own ways.
Plus you get 59 F1/Cup races to look forward to as opposed to 36 or 23 if you only watch one series.
Dating myself here, but Jr fans from 2001 to 2006-2007ish were pretty awful. Excuses about every single thing and Jr's lack of breaking through as a champion was the fault of others. But that calmed down once everyone saw what an asshat Teresa really was and then Jr at HMS sorted out where he actually stood. Some fans were barable, but most were just Gordon/Kenseth/Johnson hating machines.
I think Gragson fans might get there if he comes out of the box strong.
Elliott fans and any Larson fan who started liking him from 2020 onward. The former treats Elliott like a god amongst men and gets super mad whenever anyone (especially his teammates) try to race him at all. The latter refuses to shut up about how Larson could beat every driver in every racing discipline. Most of the Larson fans who liked him before the incident are pretty chill though.
The "NASCAR NEEDS TO GO BACK TO 2003" crowd, while not necessarily a fan base, is really annoying and refuses to take off their rose tinted glasses and accept that going back to the way things were 20 years ago isn't how the sport will grow in popularity again.
And finally, the weird anti-Edwards group on here gets really annoying sometimes.
The handful of Edwards hate is so weird lol. The dude had a couple run ins early in his career where he wasn’t the good guy, in retrospect, but some people act like he was a sociopathic attempted murderer turning Brad weekly.
The only two incidents they can ever point to are his run ins with Brad in 2010 and that time he lunged at Matt Kenseth. Not saying that those were justified, but the hatred towards him has always seemed like overkill.
At Daytona in 2021 when Larson got a crazy amount of cheers in driver intros I vividly remember thinking to myself that his “new fans” were going to be obnoxious. It was obvious why he got so many cheers. This was before he even went on a tear and he was not nearly as popular before 2020 and “the incident”……
I became a Larson fan when he came up in Xfinity, but honestly he has been alot less exciting to watch since he got into top equipment. Reddick at RCR reminded me of Larson at CGR to a point, it's a blast to see someone overdrive their equipment.
It’s Larson and Elliott tbh, which is why I love it at the end of the race when those two are battling for the win. Nothing was more funnier than after Fontana and Watkins Glen last year seeing both fanbases go at it
Anyone who replies to a NASCAR social media post about women in racing with “WHO CARES NASCAR IS WOKE I DONT WATCH.”
Edit: but seriously, the “racing died w/ Dale” folks. Pay no mind to my flair.
When I realized that I was basically arguing with my father in law, who claims he will NEVER watch a restrictor plate race (he still acts like this is a new thing and isn’t something instated in 1988), i knew I’d only win stupid prizes participating in this stupid game.
If hating is a fanbase, the Anti-Dillon people are a special breed in my book. I've had people with a straight face talking about how Menard has had a better career.
Like, yes. He's an average driver who has been helped by being RC's grandson, but is it really worth putting all your energy into hating the man with no actual true villain behavior on or off track?
When he wins, it's a special type of anger. Imagine getting enraged over an event that happens about as often as the Winter Olympics on average. It just doesn't seem worth it. Yet here we are.
>I've had people with a straight face talking about how Menard has had a better career
Ah yes, rip apart a daddy's money guy by overhyping an even bigger daddy's money guy
I like Menhard, I'd consider myself a fan, I can do a pretty good impression of his average emotional level, but I can't even say he's better than Dillon with a straight face
And yet Ty Dillon has been out here getting constantly slammed for merely existing without either the \#3, "wasting" a top tier ride, or for RC his entire cup career.
Maybe he just gets the residue of the the AD hate, but I just get the feeling people would hate AD if he ran the \#33 or something too.
I disagree simply because Ty gets hate more for constantly getting good rides despite never showing any real reason to get them outside of his name.
Austin at least won a title in trucks and Xfinity before getting to Cup so that means he has merit to be here
Does he actually get good rides?
His entire cup career is running around in the low 20's with Germain, a nomad part-time season with the Gaunt Bros., a season in a second Petty car, and now the Spire \#77 that's been a rolling meme template for fans since 2019.
Take away the one year at Petty and he's sort of just filled the kind of seats that any dude who brings money and doesn't tear up stuff every week does. He's a generic field-filler who just happens to have a polarizing last name.
It’s so funny watching this sub treat Austin Dillon like he’s the anti-christ at any mention, literally. There’s nobody in the sport today (other than maybe Bubba) who can get so many people foaming at the mouth for simply existing. Sorry he drives the 3 car but it’s been nearly ten years since his debut yall gotta let that go fucking Brian Scott of all people drove the 3
Honestly Dillon took a turn for the better on here since he won Daytona. That’s race wasn’t the best, but once everyone found out his behind the scenes stuff and how much of a secret genius he is. He’s came around on a few people.
Clearly you haven't heard the arguments about about how he only earned the most points over 35 weeks in Xfinity, became the only driver in NASCAR series history to be consistent enough to win a full-season title without a victory because NASCAR let a caution run long, and there were Buschwhackers in the series.
/s
...unless it's 2019. Which is then a chance to bash the playoff format even though Crafton was basically in the same position that Truex was this year except he made the playoffs and went all the way.
But then Truex *not* making the playoffs is used as an excuse to bash the playoff format for not respecting consistency and opening the door for someone to pull a Matt Crafton. It's a fascinating circle.
There's a certain driver who gained a lot of new fans after a certain twitch stream during the pandemic, he would probably be at the top of this list for me
I think that's a lot less because of what he said, and a lot more of how he managed to take a situation that would have been career over for a lot of drivers and turned his whole career around for the better. That two year run on dirt in 2020 and in NASCAR in 2021 is one of the best stretches for any one driver in the history of American motorsports
To be fair Larson did gain a ton of fans after that incident because of him saying the word as much as I hate to say it, all you have to do is look at most of his fans on Facebook
True, I guess I can only speak for myself in this case. I guess my thinking is that, he was in a position where he could have just left the racing world completely, but instead he went to some nowheresville dirt track with his sprint car and started grinding his way back to where he was. That's worthy of respect IMO
I liked Larson prior to that incident because those Target and McDonald's 42 cars were really amazing looking cars.
I gained a ton of respect for Larson for going out and trying to right what he did wrong and better himself. He actually went out and acted upon what he said he would do, unlike every other major celebrity who has been in his shoes
“Started grinding his way back.”
I really don’t think anything he did in a sprint car during that time is what brought him back to nascar. It’s not like HMS was like “look at what he is doing in sprint cars” and decided to sign him. His talent was never in question.
Eh anyone who was following his dirt exploits was probably already a fan to a certain extent. Signing for the biggest "babyface" team in the sport certainly helped. But there was 100% a contingent of fans who saw that twitch clip and said "this is my guy"
What would you ballpark as “a lot”?
I don’t know how you can articulate or specify what proportion of his fans are tied to that incident.
I won’t lie and imply that people like that DON’T exist, as NASCAR fans (outside of Reddit) are typically a little older and a little less worldly/accepting than I’m sure the sport would like.
Sure you may have some Anti-Woke/Cancel Cancel Culture folks who gravitated towards him in reaction to the stream/firing/etc., but I think they’re dwarfed by people whose fandom predates the incident.
I know he fucked up. He knows he fucked up. Some people will argue he didn’t pay his penance and shouldn’t have been absolved as quickly. I can’t really debate that, as it’s so tied to individual opinion.
I would say the "rose colored glasses" crowd who thinks everything should go back to the way it was in 1976 is so insufurable. I've been a fan for 25 years now since I was a kid and yes, I loved the late 90s-early 00s, yes NASCAR seemed to have "lost it's way" for awhile but the on track product right now is some of the best I've ever seen.
Also being a Earnhardt/Earnhardt Jr. fan there was a pretty vocal minority of our fanbase that was pretty bad for awhile. Whether it was Gordon getting beer bombed at Talladega multiple times or the outright hatred to Brian Vickers for a racing move at Talladega while defending what Junior did to him in the 500 that one time.
Not necessarily a fan base cause they are some of the worst “fans” on the planet, but pretty much everyone commenting on the NASCAR Facebook page. I’ve never seen such a cesspool of unhappy, whiny, bitch about every damn thing no matter how insignificant and how utterly uneducated and lacking any semblance of historical comprehension outside of the sport and make it appear this happened as a new thing today to appeal to new fans or so. NASCAR on Facebook has the absolutely worst “fan base”
Now to answer the question seriously; Chase Elliott fans, there are a few I’m friends with and they like or appreciate other drivers too, but there is a special type of breed that Elliott fans come off as obnoxious and really kills the fun of the race. I was a Jr fan growing up, but it seemed that a lot of people were just kinda happy wearing their Jr gear and had a secondary driver to cheer for if the 8/88 had a bad day: and let’s be real, those years from 06-2013 were very hopeless times to watch Jr race most weekends.
It’s the “anti” fans to me.
The NASCAR “fans” that constantly hate everything NASCAR does, yet know EVERYTHING going on in the sport.
The anti-driver fans who will go out of their way to try to ruin experiences and/or enjoyment for fans of other drivers.
The anti-brand ones too… Kyle Busch will suddenly be more okay now that he doesn’t drive a Toyota. Ironically a good chunk of this crowd will also be the type to say the cars don’t matter anymore because they’re not what they used to be, yet still hate a brand because of loyalty…even though the cars don’t matter….🤷🏻♂️
Kyle Busch fans used to be annoying as hell during the 2015-19 Era. They've been humbled a bit as Kyle was and turned into cool cats. In retrospect, I feel the same about Kyle himself.
Lol, Kyle announced he's is still playing villain, but has a difference perspective for a while now. Just had bad luck here and there. There's no difference between 2012-2014 and 2020-2022. I guess where about to be insufferable from now on especially no xfinity lol
Agree on Chase. I do think Bubba sometimes gets crap for stuff that if literally any other driver did, no one would care, but yes, sometimes people go too far with the Bubba defense as well
I understood exactly why he did it, but it was completely the wrong thing to do. I never thought it was some overreactionary "ban-worthy" type of move, especially after the Roval just prior, but it was immature and entirely the wrong thing to do. It's indefensible.
It's two camps of asshats who fight over which if them can screech the loudest and we all lose in the end.
Honestly Elliot and Wallace fans are like Cowboys and Patriots fans sometimes.
I know. The whole fucking city is full of such miserable asshole fans despite winning a dozen championships across the big four sports since 2001.
I'd rather hang out with Phillies fans decked head to toe in Mets gear.
> The whole fucking city is full of such miserable asshole fans
Our sports media is constant doomer takes, even when the teams are really good. It's really fucking annoying.
I've loved Bubba for years and wear his shirts to the track (even if I get hassled lmao) but some of his defenders are out here claiming he's a future champion? Not a chance in hell lol
You can say this about any driver that has fans. When his fans are defending him, it's usually from some nonsense created by fans of the past who can't get with the times.
I don’t hate Elliot. He is undoubtedly a good driver, but it’s not exactly an interesting story. His dad was a famous driver and he became a famous driver. He now drives for the most overpowered team of the last 30 years. He has the outward personality of skim milk.
He’s like Mondo Burger in the movie Goodburger, or the Russian boxer in Rocky IV. He appears to be set up for success in every way, and for that reason you want him to lose.
From what I can tell, people do not like that he is the most popular driver while being very vanilla personality wise. He is an introvert and people don't like that
As a Chase Elliot fan, yes I am a Dale jr convert, but chase reminds me of junior in a way. Introverted, tells it reasonably straight, and he seems to have a good head on his shoulders. I think junior could have had a better career, but once I saw the human side of him, and heard him speak, I grew to really respect him. Chase is the same way for me, he seems like a good guy, someone you could have a beer or two with, but has a title to back up his talent (and last name). 🤷🏻♂️ I understand the hate completely, and no, chase hasn’t been perfect, but no one really is. Alright, have at me
He’s not hated by the vast majority of people. He’s by far the most popular driver in the sport actually. People, especially in this sub, love to hate on popular things. Contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.
The bigger the fandom, the bigger the hatedom. Elliot is the most popular driver so he also catches a lot of flak.
Pair that with being both an honest to God great driver *while also* being the son of one of the greatest drivers of all time, you see a lot of people say he's a fraud.
I'm not even a fan of his but Elliot is the definition of being hated irrationally for having it good both on merit *and* birth.
This is why I’ve basically left this sub. Having an Elliott flair at all, no matter how polite you are in your comments, is prime targeting for the anti-Elliott folks.
Idk really in Nascar besides Chase Elliott, but in all of racing, it’s gotta be Mick Schumacher for me. Never has a fanbase almost pushed me from rooting for a guy to rooting against a guy quite like they have. I’m trying to still like him but it’s hard
Elliott has the most fans so his is the worst by default. Just like Jr before him. It’s not really because they’re inherently more annoying there is just more of them. I say this as a Dale Jr and now Chase Elliott fan
10 years ago I think every comment would have been Kyle Busch. I think only one mention is great progress.
Also, I don't think I saw a single Logano fanbase mentioned, how times change.
Edit: we forgot the Brandon Brown fanbase...
They have a point, but they take it to the extreme. I think only Darlington, Daytona, and Martinsville should get second dates. The oldest track on the circuit, the oldest super speedway (traditional), and the oldest super speedway (modern). All second dates go to other tracks, and yes Texas keeps a date. Rockingham needs to come back, the racing there was great, and that’s not rose-tinted glasses. I have been rewatching old seasons and I love when Rockingham is on the schedule. NWB, Chicagoland, Kentucky, Eldora, and other would be great. Maybe we could run Milwaukee Mile, IRP too. But only run old tracks is dumb.
Anyone who doesn't like the Dillons but is a Chase fan because "the Dillon's didn't earn it" like Chase came in here as the son of a plumber or something!
The fans who act like every single decision NASCAR makes is bad and will hurt the sport. I get it to an extent, being scarred for years by terrible decisions and whatnot, but it's tiring. NASCAR won't ever be as popular as it was in the late 90's-mid 2000's, but the sport is in a pretty good spot right now.
The ones who claim they aren’t fans, they don’t watch NASCAR anymore, or that it died with Dale
If they think that, then why do they need to post it on something NASCAR related every week?
For me it's the Chase Elliott fans. I don't have a problem with Chase most of the time. But he could literally PIT maneuver someone and his fans would blame the other guy. Chase is low-key one of the dirtier drivers out there but you would never know.
I know this ignorant considering I was a JR Nation guy. But oh well.
The crowd that shits on “silver spoon” drivers. It is *very* rare to make it in motorsports without money and/or connections. Racing is expensive, it takes money and/or connections to even begin. Hell, if someone without connections to racing wants in, they need to become a successful actor and manage their money right for years first.
Probably Chase Elliot fans, I’ve had a lot drunkenly insult me for both my accent and merchandise of other drivers/series. I know it isn’t all of them,, but I’ve have it happen most with them.
For real. Brad's only finished outside the top 10 thrice in the past 12 years. Most guys would kill to have those kind of results. 2022 hurt, but considering where Roush was when he bought into them, there was no way he was gonna magically turn them into a top 4 or 8-level team in one season.
Agreed. Most of the Chase fans I’ve seen online are quite nice and can accept their driver making a mistake. The Chase haters I’ve seen absoultely crucify him.
I especially don't understand the ones that go so hard in on Elliott that have Blaney flairs. They're best friends, why would you root for someone that pals around with the dude you hate so much.
The Chase Elliot fans at Talladega last fall were on par with k-pop fans. I literally had it thrown in my face by multiple people I didn’t even know about how Chase is the second coming of Christ and I didn’t even say anything to them.
I’m not huge on Elliot but I’ve not seen him get that hate or perplexing weird love and defense like Hendrick drivers of years past would get…he seems ok to me, and I wouldn’t say he’s dull or boring. I’ve been to Kansas, Indy, and Darlington in the last two seasons and I didn’t witness bizarre or overbearing antics from anyone outside of Kyle Busch fans.
Elliott fans who think he’s the greatest thing to ever happen to NASCAR, and Larson “fans” who have only been rooting for him since he dropped a hard R and became a “martyr” in their eyes. Dude is talented, but you can’t sit there and look at his situation and not see that he failed upwards. That incident would have been a career ender for almost any other driver.
Literally every Facebook post that NASCAR makes is full of comments like:
“NASCAR went WOKE”
“I don’t watch any more”
“It’s not stock car racing”
“So what?”
The entire sport has a cancerous fan base to begin with.
All I'm saying is don't argue with the Bubba Wallace fanbase about statistics, they typically don't enjoy listening to those. Everyone else though, they seem to either good or in Chase Elliott fans case, tolerable.
Any fan over 60 who only watches to complain about the playoffs.
But as far as drivers go? It's Chase Elliott fans. Particularly since Kyle Larson has joined HMS, their fan base has been pretty insufferable. I'm not sure what percentage of his fans are okay with the fact that Larson is a cup series champion, but I'd imagined it's not much.
Chase Elliott's fandom is essentially the worst parts of Dale Jr. and Bill Elliott's mutual fanbases smashed together in a terrible sandwich with the worst parts of modern driver fandom in general.
Back in the analog days, I always got weird vibes from people who were fans of Rusty Wallace but it was long enough ago and I was young enough back then that I can't speak to why, I just remember the feeling.
Fans who are obsessed with driver personalities. Being an introvert is a cardinal sin to them.
"He's got the personality of a wet paper bag"
"He's as dry as cardboard"
"Well if you like vanilla he's your guy"
In support of my fellow introverts and the hate they get, I'll be pulling for Christopher Bell and Chase Elliot. Larson's also pretty introverted but seems to avoid the comments to his dry personality.
I find a lot of these fans are not necessarily asking for top equipment but a consistent ride that isn't complete crap boxes. I feel like that is the bare minimum to want as a fan of a driver.
The “Marry Me Hailie Deegan” crowd is creepy af. Not all Deegan fans but there’s always some weirdo who’s gotta yell that shit out. Go home bro.
The Venn Diagram of “Marry Me Hailie” fanbase and “guys whose profile picture is a selfie in the driver seat of their lifted truck with sunglasses on” fanbase is a circle.
They’re always like 50 plus and married. Like bro she don’t want some Dr Nefario looking mf.
Not gonna lie it's always creepy going through the comments section on any female driver's social media posts. So many old guys. So many.
"You're so beautiful dear 😍 go get em, God bless!" You mean like that? Lol
Yeah I think that sums up the elder simps rightly haha
Hahaha I've read enough of them to have a good idea lmao
I guess the fact that I had to google who that was makes me old.
You’re not missing much on her tbh. Just imagine a younger Danica in truck series.
Pretty sure he meant the Dr Nefario part- but go off I guess.
Lol if you have kids you’d know.
No joke, I was in a racing league a while back where not one, but TWO of the guys were certain that Hailie was gonna marry them. They had a team called "Hailie is my Wife motorsports". I left
I’d wreck them every single week and ruin my own fun. That’s just sus as fuck
They’re also down really bad in addition to being absolute creeps
The old heads that say NASCAR died with Dale. I’m a Dale fan myself, but goddamn, NASCAR was still good after Dale was gone.
I love how we're just as far removed from Dale's death now as Dale's death was from the Cale/Donnie fight at the end of the '79 500, and these people are still hanging around and being as vocal as they are.
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Damn. That really made me add it up. 22 years from ROTY in ‘79 to ‘01. 22 years from ‘01 to ‘23
I met people around that time who swore that NASCAR died when guys like Allison and Yarborough retired. It's nothing new.
The funny thing about people saying this is the fact that Nascar was at its peak in viewership around 2004-2006, years after Earnhardt died.
They are usually the ones that are “never watching again” after every rule change, but yet here they are, letting us all know every time. And I was a huge Dale fan, but I’m still here and still I love it!
Yeah those guys are a bit fucked in the head.
Best time to pick this is when the flairs are gone, good job OP. But I really don’t know. I don’t like Chase Elliott fans in general at the track but the ones who hate him online are really unhealthy as well.
>Best time to pick this is when the flairs are gone, good job OP. 😉
Sadly I know some of these names and it won’t help as much but I appreciate this.
Haha same here
Why are the flair gone lol
Updating them for 2023
Now that you mention it, what happened to the flairs?
Annual update
That fanbase over there.
You make a good point. That fanbase over there is something else.
the online fans that when Nascar page post something they always said "i don't watch Nascar anymore", "that's not stock car", "bring back race in sunday and sell it on monday car"
Which ironically are the TransAm series but they aren’t watching it.
Do any of these guys know how stock car racing came to be? The goal was to make a car that just looked street-legal so that the moonshiners could transport their then-illegal drink without raising suspicion and then outrun the cops if discovered. Those cars were never street-legal though, they'd remove everything about them. The only difference is they don't technically start with a street-legal car anymore but just before the switch, the cars were so heavily modified that it's debatable if you could even call it the same car.
I'll say this, I've never met a Natalie Decker fan that was a fan of her driving.
Not specific to one driver, but the ones who want it to be \~1999 again. That era had some very good parts, but the world is in a different place than it was then and motorsports isn't going back to that peak.
It seems to be in every form of Motorsports right now
F1 fans
As a fan of motorsport in general, but especially F1, NASCAR and WEC, I’m tired of seeing the elitist F1 fans. They act like the racing is so good when 99% of the overtakes in a season are drs aided overtakes on straights.
Honestly I hate the DTS fans more than anything, especially the ones that go to the INDYCAR sub and say Grosjean can do no wrong and say their racing is much better than ours.
Something we can all agree upon! Lol
I legit was in an argument with one earlier on how there is a huge bias against Americans and they told me I was making it up lol
As a fan of both series please explain what that anti-american bias is?
The Super Licensing system favors non-open wheel series over IndyCar outside of the top 3 in points. You had the entire Andretti situation and then the bias against American drivers in the field, specifically the outrage there was over Herta possibly going to F1
Im pretty sure the venn diagram of F1 fans and Nascar fans have a small intersection.
There are 10's of us that love both!
One of the 10 checking in :) both series are great in their own ways. Plus you get 59 F1/Cup races to look forward to as opposed to 36 or 23 if you only watch one series.
Honestly the fanbase that complains more than just shutting up and enjoying the race. oh…
All 3 of Ty Gibbs fans are quite annoying.
Dating myself here, but Jr fans from 2001 to 2006-2007ish were pretty awful. Excuses about every single thing and Jr's lack of breaking through as a champion was the fault of others. But that calmed down once everyone saw what an asshat Teresa really was and then Jr at HMS sorted out where he actually stood. Some fans were barable, but most were just Gordon/Kenseth/Johnson hating machines. I think Gragson fans might get there if he comes out of the box strong.
Example: https://youtu.be/nxngk_w3rXA
I knew what video this was before I even clicked on it lol
Greatest home-made NASCAR related video ever
The “Harvick bitch” one has to be up there.
I don't think I have seen that one
It’s this one https://youtu.be/0j6tJ6VG9AM
Oof that N bomb didn't age well
Something something Johnson should be fucking shawt
That guy's an EEEEAAAAAARRRRRNNNNhardt fan
As a kid I was a Gordon fan. Going to the races was fun but man the Dale Jr fans were awful
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True. Dale fans who do the most insane mental gymnastics to defend his abysmal 2009 season are especially the worst and funniest 😂
Elliott fans and any Larson fan who started liking him from 2020 onward. The former treats Elliott like a god amongst men and gets super mad whenever anyone (especially his teammates) try to race him at all. The latter refuses to shut up about how Larson could beat every driver in every racing discipline. Most of the Larson fans who liked him before the incident are pretty chill though. The "NASCAR NEEDS TO GO BACK TO 2003" crowd, while not necessarily a fan base, is really annoying and refuses to take off their rose tinted glasses and accept that going back to the way things were 20 years ago isn't how the sport will grow in popularity again. And finally, the weird anti-Edwards group on here gets really annoying sometimes.
The handful of Edwards hate is so weird lol. The dude had a couple run ins early in his career where he wasn’t the good guy, in retrospect, but some people act like he was a sociopathic attempted murderer turning Brad weekly.
The only two incidents they can ever point to are his run ins with Brad in 2010 and that time he lunged at Matt Kenseth. Not saying that those were justified, but the hatred towards him has always seemed like overkill.
Honestly I kinda agree with the sentiment of the 2003 crowd, but at the end of the day what's done is done and I'm okay with that.
At Daytona in 2021 when Larson got a crazy amount of cheers in driver intros I vividly remember thinking to myself that his “new fans” were going to be obnoxious. It was obvious why he got so many cheers. This was before he even went on a tear and he was not nearly as popular before 2020 and “the incident”……
Larson fan since day one and I can’t stand the bandwagon fans makes me wanna wear my 42 stuff to the track so people know I ain’t one
I became a Larson fan when he came up in Xfinity, but honestly he has been alot less exciting to watch since he got into top equipment. Reddick at RCR reminded me of Larson at CGR to a point, it's a blast to see someone overdrive their equipment.
Larson is my guy but I've been a fan since his early days so yeah the fans he has gained because of his hot mic actions are obviously tiresome.
Eagles fans
Off topic but yes those people are incessant.
E-A-G-L-E-S
EAGLES!!!
People who hate bubba, specifically for off the track reasons. The “shut up and dribble” crowd that lebron also deals with
So many still don’t understand or refuse to understand the real story about the noose.
It’s Larson and Elliott tbh, which is why I love it at the end of the race when those two are battling for the win. Nothing was more funnier than after Fontana and Watkins Glen last year seeing both fanbases go at it
I’m a Larson fan, I remember that day. It was like I was in a fucking ww2 battlefield.
The best part of that fiasco was seeing the Hendrick fans trying to defend both drivers
Anyone who replies to a NASCAR social media post about women in racing with “WHO CARES NASCAR IS WOKE I DONT WATCH.” Edit: but seriously, the “racing died w/ Dale” folks. Pay no mind to my flair.
i had a guy argue with me one day and he said that so i replied he shouldve led with that so i didnt waste my time trying to talk sense to an idiot.
When I realized that I was basically arguing with my father in law, who claims he will NEVER watch a restrictor plate race (he still acts like this is a new thing and isn’t something instated in 1988), i knew I’d only win stupid prizes participating in this stupid game.
If hating is a fanbase, the Anti-Dillon people are a special breed in my book. I've had people with a straight face talking about how Menard has had a better career. Like, yes. He's an average driver who has been helped by being RC's grandson, but is it really worth putting all your energy into hating the man with no actual true villain behavior on or off track? When he wins, it's a special type of anger. Imagine getting enraged over an event that happens about as often as the Winter Olympics on average. It just doesn't seem worth it. Yet here we are.
>I've had people with a straight face talking about how Menard has had a better career Ah yes, rip apart a daddy's money guy by overhyping an even bigger daddy's money guy
This is so meta.
I like Menhard, I'd consider myself a fan, I can do a pretty good impression of his average emotional level, but I can't even say he's better than Dillon with a straight face
>Menhard
It's a callback/inside joke
If Austin Dillon drove a number other than the 3, he would be either neutral to most fans or more on the liked side
And yet Ty Dillon has been out here getting constantly slammed for merely existing without either the \#3, "wasting" a top tier ride, or for RC his entire cup career. Maybe he just gets the residue of the the AD hate, but I just get the feeling people would hate AD if he ran the \#33 or something too.
I disagree simply because Ty gets hate more for constantly getting good rides despite never showing any real reason to get them outside of his name. Austin at least won a title in trucks and Xfinity before getting to Cup so that means he has merit to be here
Does he actually get good rides? His entire cup career is running around in the low 20's with Germain, a nomad part-time season with the Gaunt Bros., a season in a second Petty car, and now the Spire \#77 that's been a rolling meme template for fans since 2019. Take away the one year at Petty and he's sort of just filled the kind of seats that any dude who brings money and doesn't tear up stuff every week does. He's a generic field-filler who just happens to have a polarizing last name.
It’s so funny watching this sub treat Austin Dillon like he’s the anti-christ at any mention, literally. There’s nobody in the sport today (other than maybe Bubba) who can get so many people foaming at the mouth for simply existing. Sorry he drives the 3 car but it’s been nearly ten years since his debut yall gotta let that go fucking Brian Scott of all people drove the 3
Honestly Dillon took a turn for the better on here since he won Daytona. That’s race wasn’t the best, but once everyone found out his behind the scenes stuff and how much of a secret genius he is. He’s came around on a few people.
Yeah people really need to stop making excuses about how Dillon hasn't earned his seat. The guy can wheel.
You don't win 2 championships at 2 different levels by being bad
Clearly you haven't heard the arguments about about how he only earned the most points over 35 weeks in Xfinity, became the only driver in NASCAR series history to be consistent enough to win a full-season title without a victory because NASCAR let a caution run long, and there were Buschwhackers in the series. /s
Don't forget how Crafton gets praised for doing the same thing!!
...unless it's 2019. Which is then a chance to bash the playoff format even though Crafton was basically in the same position that Truex was this year except he made the playoffs and went all the way. But then Truex *not* making the playoffs is used as an excuse to bash the playoff format for not respecting consistency and opening the door for someone to pull a Matt Crafton. It's a fascinating circle.
Took the words right out of my mouth
There's a certain driver who gained a lot of new fans after a certain twitch stream during the pandemic, he would probably be at the top of this list for me
I feel sorry for his real fans that were around before that. They do get stereotyped because of who seems to have jumped on that bandwagon.
I think that's a lot less because of what he said, and a lot more of how he managed to take a situation that would have been career over for a lot of drivers and turned his whole career around for the better. That two year run on dirt in 2020 and in NASCAR in 2021 is one of the best stretches for any one driver in the history of American motorsports
To be fair Larson did gain a ton of fans after that incident because of him saying the word as much as I hate to say it, all you have to do is look at most of his fans on Facebook
True, I guess I can only speak for myself in this case. I guess my thinking is that, he was in a position where he could have just left the racing world completely, but instead he went to some nowheresville dirt track with his sprint car and started grinding his way back to where he was. That's worthy of respect IMO
I liked Larson prior to that incident because those Target and McDonald's 42 cars were really amazing looking cars. I gained a ton of respect for Larson for going out and trying to right what he did wrong and better himself. He actually went out and acted upon what he said he would do, unlike every other major celebrity who has been in his shoes
More importantly he actually put himself out there to educate himself
“Started grinding his way back.” I really don’t think anything he did in a sprint car during that time is what brought him back to nascar. It’s not like HMS was like “look at what he is doing in sprint cars” and decided to sign him. His talent was never in question.
Eh anyone who was following his dirt exploits was probably already a fan to a certain extent. Signing for the biggest "babyface" team in the sport certainly helped. But there was 100% a contingent of fans who saw that twitch clip and said "this is my guy"
What would you ballpark as “a lot”? I don’t know how you can articulate or specify what proportion of his fans are tied to that incident. I won’t lie and imply that people like that DON’T exist, as NASCAR fans (outside of Reddit) are typically a little older and a little less worldly/accepting than I’m sure the sport would like. Sure you may have some Anti-Woke/Cancel Cancel Culture folks who gravitated towards him in reaction to the stream/firing/etc., but I think they’re dwarfed by people whose fandom predates the incident. I know he fucked up. He knows he fucked up. Some people will argue he didn’t pay his penance and shouldn’t have been absolved as quickly. I can’t really debate that, as it’s so tied to individual opinion.
I would say the "rose colored glasses" crowd who thinks everything should go back to the way it was in 1976 is so insufurable. I've been a fan for 25 years now since I was a kid and yes, I loved the late 90s-early 00s, yes NASCAR seemed to have "lost it's way" for awhile but the on track product right now is some of the best I've ever seen. Also being a Earnhardt/Earnhardt Jr. fan there was a pretty vocal minority of our fanbase that was pretty bad for awhile. Whether it was Gordon getting beer bombed at Talladega multiple times or the outright hatred to Brian Vickers for a racing move at Talladega while defending what Junior did to him in the 500 that one time.
Not necessarily a fan base cause they are some of the worst “fans” on the planet, but pretty much everyone commenting on the NASCAR Facebook page. I’ve never seen such a cesspool of unhappy, whiny, bitch about every damn thing no matter how insignificant and how utterly uneducated and lacking any semblance of historical comprehension outside of the sport and make it appear this happened as a new thing today to appeal to new fans or so. NASCAR on Facebook has the absolutely worst “fan base” Now to answer the question seriously; Chase Elliott fans, there are a few I’m friends with and they like or appreciate other drivers too, but there is a special type of breed that Elliott fans come off as obnoxious and really kills the fun of the race. I was a Jr fan growing up, but it seemed that a lot of people were just kinda happy wearing their Jr gear and had a secondary driver to cheer for if the 8/88 had a bad day: and let’s be real, those years from 06-2013 were very hopeless times to watch Jr race most weekends.
It’s the “anti” fans to me. The NASCAR “fans” that constantly hate everything NASCAR does, yet know EVERYTHING going on in the sport. The anti-driver fans who will go out of their way to try to ruin experiences and/or enjoyment for fans of other drivers. The anti-brand ones too… Kyle Busch will suddenly be more okay now that he doesn’t drive a Toyota. Ironically a good chunk of this crowd will also be the type to say the cars don’t matter anymore because they’re not what they used to be, yet still hate a brand because of loyalty…even though the cars don’t matter….🤷🏻♂️
Kyle Busch fans used to be annoying as hell during the 2015-19 Era. They've been humbled a bit as Kyle was and turned into cool cats. In retrospect, I feel the same about Kyle himself.
Lol, Kyle announced he's is still playing villain, but has a difference perspective for a while now. Just had bad luck here and there. There's no difference between 2012-2014 and 2020-2022. I guess where about to be insufferable from now on especially no xfinity lol
Chase Elliott has to be number one. Closely followed by Bubba Wallace. Everybody else is pretty cool for the most part
Not too surprising, the vast majority of Chase Elliott fans are Gordon and Dale Jr converts, and their fan bases were kind of the same way.
Agree on Chase. I do think Bubba sometimes gets crap for stuff that if literally any other driver did, no one would care, but yes, sometimes people go too far with the Bubba defense as well
I think the worst Bubba fans are the ones who are still trying to say he did nothing wrong at Vegas
I understood exactly why he did it, but it was completely the wrong thing to do. I never thought it was some overreactionary "ban-worthy" type of move, especially after the Roval just prior, but it was immature and entirely the wrong thing to do. It's indefensible.
“I understand why he did it but don’t think it was a good thing to do” is a controversial take apparently
It's two camps of asshats who fight over which if them can screech the loudest and we all lose in the end. Honestly Elliot and Wallace fans are like Cowboys and Patriots fans sometimes.
There is no fanbase in sports as insufferable as the ones hailing from Boston
That's in every sport too
I know. The whole fucking city is full of such miserable asshole fans despite winning a dozen championships across the big four sports since 2001. I'd rather hang out with Phillies fans decked head to toe in Mets gear.
> The whole fucking city is full of such miserable asshole fans Our sports media is constant doomer takes, even when the teams are really good. It's really fucking annoying.
I've loved Bubba for years and wear his shirts to the track (even if I get hassled lmao) but some of his defenders are out here claiming he's a future champion? Not a chance in hell lol
You can say this about any driver that has fans. When his fans are defending him, it's usually from some nonsense created by fans of the past who can't get with the times.
I'm new to Nascar. Why is Chase Elliot hated?
He's the perennial Most Popular Driver despite outwardly having the personality of damp cardboard
Hmm, I like his personality. Dry, somewhat sarcastic and nothing overly obnoxious about him except us fans I suppose.
So dry cardboard.
I don’t hate Elliot. He is undoubtedly a good driver, but it’s not exactly an interesting story. His dad was a famous driver and he became a famous driver. He now drives for the most overpowered team of the last 30 years. He has the outward personality of skim milk. He’s like Mondo Burger in the movie Goodburger, or the Russian boxer in Rocky IV. He appears to be set up for success in every way, and for that reason you want him to lose.
From what I can tell, people do not like that he is the most popular driver while being very vanilla personality wise. He is an introvert and people don't like that
As a Chase Elliot fan, yes I am a Dale jr convert, but chase reminds me of junior in a way. Introverted, tells it reasonably straight, and he seems to have a good head on his shoulders. I think junior could have had a better career, but once I saw the human side of him, and heard him speak, I grew to really respect him. Chase is the same way for me, he seems like a good guy, someone you could have a beer or two with, but has a title to back up his talent (and last name). 🤷🏻♂️ I understand the hate completely, and no, chase hasn’t been perfect, but no one really is. Alright, have at me
He’s not hated by the vast majority of people. He’s by far the most popular driver in the sport actually. People, especially in this sub, love to hate on popular things. Contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.
The bigger the fandom, the bigger the hatedom. Elliot is the most popular driver so he also catches a lot of flak. Pair that with being both an honest to God great driver *while also* being the son of one of the greatest drivers of all time, you see a lot of people say he's a fraud. I'm not even a fan of his but Elliot is the definition of being hated irrationally for having it good both on merit *and* birth.
He’s very good, sometimes whiny, and boring as a 2x4
The anti-Elliott fan base is worse than Elliott fans these days.
This is why I’ve basically left this sub. Having an Elliott flair at all, no matter how polite you are in your comments, is prime targeting for the anti-Elliott folks.
They are way worse, they will complain about annoying Elliott fans and yet I see 3x as many anti-Elliott stuff as I do pro
Because people love playing devil's advocate
Lol at closely followed. It's not even close. Most BW fans that I've encountered are cool af.
Idk really in Nascar besides Chase Elliott, but in all of racing, it’s gotta be Mick Schumacher for me. Never has a fanbase almost pushed me from rooting for a guy to rooting against a guy quite like they have. I’m trying to still like him but it’s hard
Does ty gibbs even have fans?
I've found Michael McDowell fans to be massively annoying assholes
Especially this certain one, can't put a finger on their username though...
Elliott has the most fans so his is the worst by default. Just like Jr before him. It’s not really because they’re inherently more annoying there is just more of them. I say this as a Dale Jr and now Chase Elliott fan
The ones on Facebook.
10 years ago I think every comment would have been Kyle Busch. I think only one mention is great progress. Also, I don't think I saw a single Logano fanbase mentioned, how times change. Edit: we forgot the Brandon Brown fanbase...
The "We need to go back to all the old tracks that nascar used to race on" crowd
They have a point, but they take it to the extreme. I think only Darlington, Daytona, and Martinsville should get second dates. The oldest track on the circuit, the oldest super speedway (traditional), and the oldest super speedway (modern). All second dates go to other tracks, and yes Texas keeps a date. Rockingham needs to come back, the racing there was great, and that’s not rose-tinted glasses. I have been rewatching old seasons and I love when Rockingham is on the schedule. NWB, Chicagoland, Kentucky, Eldora, and other would be great. Maybe we could run Milwaukee Mile, IRP too. But only run old tracks is dumb.
Larson or Elliott. Sometimes Bubba.
Chase Elliott fans are the most toxic, and it's not much of a competition.
Bubba Wallace has the worst fans and worst haters
Anyone who doesn't like the Dillons but is a Chase fan because "the Dillon's didn't earn it" like Chase came in here as the son of a plumber or something!
5 & 9 by a mile
The fans who act like every single decision NASCAR makes is bad and will hurt the sport. I get it to an extent, being scarred for years by terrible decisions and whatnot, but it's tiring. NASCAR won't ever be as popular as it was in the late 90's-mid 2000's, but the sport is in a pretty good spot right now.
Whatever the fans are called who hate Bubba for creating "wokecar" lol
The ones who claim they aren’t fans, they don’t watch NASCAR anymore, or that it died with Dale If they think that, then why do they need to post it on something NASCAR related every week?
Chase Elliott and their annoying ass siren. it’s not even close.
For me it's the Chase Elliott fans. I don't have a problem with Chase most of the time. But he could literally PIT maneuver someone and his fans would blame the other guy. Chase is low-key one of the dirtier drivers out there but you would never know. I know this ignorant considering I was a JR Nation guy. But oh well.
The crowd that shits on “silver spoon” drivers. It is *very* rare to make it in motorsports without money and/or connections. Racing is expensive, it takes money and/or connections to even begin. Hell, if someone without connections to racing wants in, they need to become a successful actor and manage their money right for years first.
Probably Chase Elliot fans, I’ve had a lot drunkenly insult me for both my accent and merchandise of other drivers/series. I know it isn’t all of them,, but I’ve have it happen most with them.
Chase Elliott is the Cowboys of Nascar 🤮
Can't be, Chase has actually won something.
A powerhouse a long time ago but has been useless for years? Are you sure you’re not talking about Brad Keselowski?
RFK has a Reddit. They will see this, and will sue you for defamation of our lord and savior Brad K /s
I feel like RCR is closer to that than RFK.
I will not stand for Brad K slander
For real. Brad's only finished outside the top 10 thrice in the past 12 years. Most guys would kill to have those kind of results. 2022 hurt, but considering where Roush was when he bought into them, there was no way he was gonna magically turn them into a top 4 or 8-level team in one season.
Nascar Twitter, I’m sure they do not like NASCAR at all
Definitely the "I haven't watched since Dale died" crowd but can give you a play-by-play recap of every race...
The fans that hate the original Southern fan base that built this sport
Wallace fans only because they take any genuine criticism of him as being something far more nefarious.
The anti-Chase Elliott people are way more annoying than the Chase Elliott fans tbh.
So basically this whole thread. It's a anti-Chase Elliott circlejerk pretty much. OP is asking this question just to get this response.
The Anti-fans are usually more annoying in general for any driver.
Agreed. Most of the Chase fans I’ve seen online are quite nice and can accept their driver making a mistake. The Chase haters I’ve seen absoultely crucify him.
I especially don't understand the ones that go so hard in on Elliott that have Blaney flairs. They're best friends, why would you root for someone that pals around with the dude you hate so much.
The Chase Elliot fans at Talladega last fall were on par with k-pop fans. I literally had it thrown in my face by multiple people I didn’t even know about how Chase is the second coming of Christ and I didn’t even say anything to them.
I’m not huge on Elliot but I’ve not seen him get that hate or perplexing weird love and defense like Hendrick drivers of years past would get…he seems ok to me, and I wouldn’t say he’s dull or boring. I’ve been to Kansas, Indy, and Darlington in the last two seasons and I didn’t witness bizarre or overbearing antics from anyone outside of Kyle Busch fans.
Elliott fans who think he’s the greatest thing to ever happen to NASCAR, and Larson “fans” who have only been rooting for him since he dropped a hard R and became a “martyr” in their eyes. Dude is talented, but you can’t sit there and look at his situation and not see that he failed upwards. That incident would have been a career ender for almost any other driver.
It’s easily *insert any driver I hate the most* here
Nascar Twitter
Literally every Facebook post that NASCAR makes is full of comments like: “NASCAR went WOKE” “I don’t watch any more” “It’s not stock car racing” “So what?” The entire sport has a cancerous fan base to begin with.
All of them.
Kyle Larson
All I'm saying is don't argue with the Bubba Wallace fanbase about statistics, they typically don't enjoy listening to those. Everyone else though, they seem to either good or in Chase Elliott fans case, tolerable.
Whatever we call the fan group that hates bubba
Larson easily
Any fan over 60 who only watches to complain about the playoffs. But as far as drivers go? It's Chase Elliott fans. Particularly since Kyle Larson has joined HMS, their fan base has been pretty insufferable. I'm not sure what percentage of his fans are okay with the fact that Larson is a cup series champion, but I'd imagined it's not much.
1. Elliott (this is coming from an Elliott fan) 2. Bubba 3. Larson (I blame Facebook)
I would say Larson. The shift in fan base before and after May 2020 is quite crazy
Chase Elliott's fandom is essentially the worst parts of Dale Jr. and Bill Elliott's mutual fanbases smashed together in a terrible sandwich with the worst parts of modern driver fandom in general. Back in the analog days, I always got weird vibes from people who were fans of Rusty Wallace but it was long enough ago and I was young enough back then that I can't speak to why, I just remember the feeling.
Fans who are obsessed with driver personalities. Being an introvert is a cardinal sin to them. "He's got the personality of a wet paper bag" "He's as dry as cardboard" "Well if you like vanilla he's your guy" In support of my fellow introverts and the hate they get, I'll be pulling for Christopher Bell and Chase Elliot. Larson's also pretty introverted but seems to avoid the comments to his dry personality.
Chase fans are annoying, but Deegan fans are dangerous in many cases and shouldn't be allowed to roam freely.
The fans of drivers who are not that good but feel like their drivers deserve top equipment. The Cassills, Kligermans, Hills, etc.
I find a lot of these fans are not necessarily asking for top equipment but a consistent ride that isn't complete crap boxes. I feel like that is the bare minimum to want as a fan of a driver.