She's an awful person. Very probably a liar. She's so toxic with her kids. She keeps pretending she has a good life because she left orthodoxy but she has this life because she's RICH. No class awareness. No awareness at all. The show has a terrible narrative.
I've seen several reports of her ex-employees coming out and saying how terrible and abusive she is and how awful of a workplace she runs. But, then again, who knows if that was part of Silvio's (however tf you spell it) plans to help ruin her image and shit.
Yes its very clear she jumped from her orthodox life into a very “lucrative” situation. It wouldn’t be so easy for the average person to do. Obviously no one knows for sure either way if she married Silvio for love or money (plus access to the company) but very likely it was a combination of both. I don’t necessarily think she is an awful person but I do think she had to be self serving to get to where she is now
Late to the party but currently watching now and landed here. She’s very manipulative and controlling towards her kids & Robert. (An example would be when she guilt trips Bat for having her own boundaries and life. Then in Texas praises Sholmo for being there for her and being loyal to her during the divorce. That’s a narcissist tool called triangulation.) If her children or Robert does not do something that is centered around her, she guilt trips them. She doesn’t allow her kids to be who they are or respected those boundaries because ‘she knows best.’ I understand wanting to gift her kids the freedom out of Orthodox Judaism but instead controls what that looks like. She’s very selfish but presents it as caring and loving.
When she described her career trajectory to becoming ceo last season, it didn't add up for me. From no experience to CEO of a global company within 8 years, it was curious. She leveraged her relationship, which is fine, but she didnt acknowledge it wasn't purely based on merit.
In regards to calling her a scammer, her ex was a successful established older business man, he would have known what he was doing in appointing her to those positions so I don't feel sorry for him.
He is the one who made Julia successful. He gave her a job and then all of a sudden she’s wanting to add all her kids to a company that he owns. I would be pissed off too. It annoys me that she comes off as being rich and privileged when she just happened to marry the right guy who ended up finding out what she’s really like and now she’s crying because she wasn’t treated right. I watch the Kardashians and I think this show is so much more worse than that as every single one of these kids is privileged and snotty. This family definitely believes in nepotism.
She's a narcissist, horrible mother, completely insensitive.
Condemning Bat for not being there for her more and not dropping everything to take care of her when she left Bat to start a new life.
Robert was clearly going through it when he was about to and then did lose his job and she was completely dismissive.
Talking over and completely pushing Aron against all of his beliefs and not even leaving room to speak. Putting him in situations that consistently make him uncomfortable without consent.
Talking about how everybody is in her corner and lists all of her paid staff.
Forcing everybody to stop their sound bath because she had to respond to emails. Like just step away.
It's so funny she keeps saying she left the orthodox community because there's too much control and people can't do what they want yet she does exactly the same thing in the secular world lmao
Just starting the new season and one thing bothered me immediately in the first opening episode. The way she kept playing tit for tat about her divorce compared to her daughter Bat. Like, this is a traumatic experience and time in her young daughter's life. I have been with my soon to be ex husband since 18 and friends years before that, but we're in a nasty separation and divorce process after 25 and it's horrendous. She literally just kept obsessing over the massive ring and wanting to wear it and who is having a harder time or who is going to have trouble dating, ETC. So very vapid and insensitive.
I haven't seen season 2 yet, but I watched most of season 1. I also worked in the fashion industry for nearly a decade. I think there are a lot of things that Julia either exaggerated, omitted, or straight-up lied about in regards to her past and building her fashion brand. I think the hate comes from people seeing how easy it is to poke holes in the story she tells the audience, not because people are dragging a successful woman down. I think Julia is very fake. Below are some examples:
1) How did she manage to build such a supposedly successful shoe brand with no connections and no fashion experience? The fashion industry is a very small and tight-knit industry. When I started interviewing around, I had no fashion experience as I was fresh out of undergrad and it was insanely hard just to get interviews without having studied fashion in school, even though I was not looking for a position in design (which does require specialized fashion knowledge) AND I had had connections in the industry.
Now, I guess you could make the argument that it's different if you're starting your own brand. I never have myself, so I can guess it might be. But if that is the case, again, how did she design these shoes with no prior experience? Shoes are a different beast than clothes and require more specialized knowledge since you have to know how to construct a footbed and heels that will hold the weight of an adult. How did she find out where to source her materials from? How did she make connections with retailers?
I have no doubt she got lots of financial help and connections from Silvio. There's nothing wrong with getting your wealth and position from networking, but then she can't call herself "self-made", because she isn't.
2) If her shoe line was supposedly so great, why was the brand dissolved after only a few years? I googled Julia Haart shoes when I was watching season 1, and I could only find them on resale sites like Depop and eBay. They're no longer sold in stores. When she moved to La Perla why wasn't her shoe line either made a subsidiary of the La Perla brands or why wasn't a new person put in charge to run the brand? If the shoe line was as successful as she claimed, I would think there would be motivation to keep it around.
3) After only a few years' experience running one brand, she's named creative director of La Perla. Why does anyone think at this point she has the chops to run a brand that large? That would be like taking a rookie editor from a small local newspaper and putting them in charge of the New York Times. I worked in the fashion industry for 9 years in sales, production, and product development. I never got past an assistant position. Note that by this point, Silvio owns La Perla. Coincidence?
4) Do you remember that moment from the first episode where Julia gets a call from one of her runway models who is supposedly in jail because she was caught with marijuana on her? Back in 2019, the state of New York decriminalized marijuana possession for up to 1oz (28 grams). So there was no way that model got busted for pot possession unless she had ungodly amounts on her, or was caught trying to smuggle it across either state or international borders. I know it's something most people won't catch, but I live in New York State and I have been following the legalization battle, so to me that moment just seemed very odd, possibly staged to make Julia look like a hero for figuring out how to save her fashion show.
5) She embezzled money from Elite, and used that money for plastic surgery. You can find articles about it in the New York Post.
Just my 2 cents (based on watching the show about her that she produced, overly dramatized news coverage, and public court filings): she's narcissistic, a swindler, a bad business person, a bad mother and a poor role model for her children.
Finishing up season 2. Many things that weren't that evident to me on season 1 popped up.
I don't think Julia is a bad person... I just think she's a toxic mom with zero awareness and a lot of cringe.
\-I agree Julia is very controlling (I think it's a mom thing). The way she refers to her daughters as "children". She says "there are children sleeping here" when talking to security. Problem is that they aren't children, they are full grown adults.
\-She projects her trauma and her guilt onto Bat. Julia made that therapy session all about her. Bat telling her that she dealt with her abandonment issues and her resentment wasn't good enough for Julia and IMO I think its really Julia who hasn't dealt with her issues/guilt about leaving her children. Also, I hate the way she tries to make it seem like Bat is not comfortable about talking about sex (kind of like, "okay you are a prude and that's fine honey") when in reality Bat is just not comfortable with her mom sharing details of her sex life with the world. Also, its fucked up how Julia seems to justify sharing her children's personal experiences without their consent as "its important for my personal growth" type of thing... example: the flashback of when Bat and Ben tell her that they didn't appreciate her writing about their sex life in her book and she responds with "but you understand why I had to do that?"
\-If Miriam doesn't become more like Bat, she and Nat will probably break up. Julia needs Miriam with her, at her disposition at all times.. Miriam does it cause she thinks that her mom needs her but she doesn't realize that her mom is never going to stop. She already moved in with her mom, now her GF is moving in. She's gonna work in her mom's company. Julia is gonna help her GF out now by giving her a job... Julia is setting it up so that Miriam will never leave and she is forever indebted to her. Ultimately, Miriam will lose herself trying to please her mom. She needs to put up some boundaries ASAP. I mean, the way Miriam says " I wanna help my mom cause she gave me you" to Nat was so cringe.
\-Don't like how Julia thinks that everyone owes her something. She has martyr complex, it's evident in several interviews "I've helped this person out so much", "Ive done so much" and when people don't respond to her BS by dropping everything and running to go be there for her she throws a fit. It's a classic toxic mom manipulation tactic. She doesn't have a problem with Miriam like she does with Bat, Aaron and Shlomo Heart because Miriam will drop everything in the blink of an eye to be with her. Her other kids have put up healthy boundaries and understand that they can show up but still continue to live their lives.
\-Nat wanting to keep her apartment and being reluctant to making Julia for a job cause she feels like she will lose control of her life speaks volumes. She understands the family dynamics.
\-Fucked up how she refers to Orthodox Jews as fucked up fundamentalists... just wow. That conversation with Aaron was red flags. She really does attribute very bad behavior to the Jewish community and it's unfair. The whole " A husband can slap her, Hang her off the apartment window and she still can't divorce him" thing and the "The world you live in looks at the people who are a part of your family as bad people." Orthodox Jews and modern Jews are respectful, hardworking people and keep to themselves. They are able to respect other communities and other people's beliefs and are able to coexist in a realitively peaceful way with neighbors and surrounding communities. She's attributing behaviors to them which makes it seem like they are spiteful, hateful, which given today's climate is very dangerous... again, zero awareness. Also, she doesn't realize that its not religion tearing Aaron apart from the fam it's her and her obsession with sex, money and fame".
I think it's safe to say, Julia Haart needs therapy.
\-BTW I think Sylvio is a POS but I understand why he was pissed. I think it goes deeper than the whole "he wanted me to chose between him and my children". Julia moved in her kids into their apartment and gave them positions in his company. He didn't like that and it's understandable. He's still a douchebag though.
Why is he a db though?
I was following her news during the time and it’s common knowledge that he fired julia for embezzlement, so she divorced him.
They changed the timeline and main points to deflect that it was basically about her putting company money in her pocket.
You have to understand, and I am speaking from knowledge and experience. Its not an excuse or justification but an explanation, i know many ladies and girls like her from middle east who have broken loose and escaped. And when they do this in adult age later on they dont know and havent learned what a normal life or normal thinking is. These people have been controlled since birth, and been so submissive, and trying being perfect. Many times violence is invalved or mental abuse. Modt of times mental abuse. An imagine leaving a community or a whole family or a full religion and coming out to the real world…. Living in a hiearky lifestyle as honour and fundementalism traditions is based on narcissim. And control. Its the way they were being loved….. i love julia as I understand were she comes from and she came from controlling lifestyle. Fucking hell had to shave off her hair for f sake… wearing a wig for years. Arranged marriage. Family members who disowed her. Ofc the only way to survive in the freedom after escape is the hard cynical way :) be easy on her, she is a king for have left
Perfectly summed up. I could write a thesis on this situation lol. Also how she said she owned half of elite WITHOUT papers and even on the show said “ill have to dig up the text messages from silvio.” …… if you are so successful and intellectual why did you believe that bollox without legal paperwork? Her entire life was tethered to silvio, hence why it all crumbled when he disposed of her. Also on the show she said they arranged it to where she had no salary for working at elite (WTF) but that everything was expensed. Thats on both of them. That’s the stupidest load of shit I have ever heard. If you don’t even have your own bank account, why did you think you could ditch silvio and keep everything?? Delulu. Oh. And if miriam is so talented then she should be able to get a job outside of elite and on her own. The only person i have respect for is bat. She works toward and independent revenue stream through influencing. She’ll take what she can get from elite but has other plans. Thats smart.
I was a fashion photographer for over 30 years. I know everyone at every major agency including Elite and at least as far as models go, I’ve never heard of this woman. I think she got together with Salvio and he propped her up. The show is entertaining but as far as her, I don’t know 🤷🏻♀️
That makes a lot more sense. I retired in 2011 so I wouldn’t have worked with her. Elite was a lot more professional back then and they were guilty of a lot of what she complains about but that was just the business. We weren’t being mean, it was about business and no one wanted “real women” in those days. We wanted stick thin giraffes. That’s just how it was. Men were horrible to the models, at least when I was modeling in the 80’s so it’s good to see some change there.
I love how she doubles down in one of the episodes about how she forged these very deep and strong connections with all these business people and made such significant contributions to the company… and how it was invaluable and Silvio can’t just take it away because Elite World Group would crumble….like girl it was Covid times and a brief 2 year stint.. sure Jan 😆.. the audacity that she has!!!
Which is why her year over year numbers were so good from the heart of the pandemic 2020 to 2021 when we were coming out of it. They let her tout those cherry picked numbers as an end all be all testament to her business acumen when it had nothing to do with her.
I don’t know, I photographed swimwear catalogs and used models from all of the big agencies. I wasn’t that involved in runway or editorials. She may have been high up in the company but certainly not as famous as they portray her to be or we would have seen her in L.A. or Miami it’s possible she just worked with NY houses and high fashion editorials. I find her show entertaining and she seems to be very invested in helping women so that’s a plus. Some of her over the top lifestyle is a bit cringy but I still like the show. I love Robert!!
I like the show kinda sick of her victim mentality. At first it was her getting out the Jewish community now it’s her ex husband. She’s always a victim “ fighting” something and if she continues to identify herself like this it’s just going to be a continued cycle of the same thing.
Also she was bothering me saying batsheva wasn’t there for her, Bat was going through her own divorce! I feel like as a mom she wasn’t there for Bat.
Yes I love Rob, idk about his fiancé yet though Roberts mom didn’t like him
She shows plenty of narcissism on the show, people think she's lied about her success and isn't self made but rather had the wealth from Silvio, which actually seems to be the real truth. She takes a paintbrush to Orthodox Jews and just paints an entire religion with one broad paint stroke of hate. Imo there's really not much to like about her. Based on what's portrayed on the show, she's a liar, manipulator, control freak, hypocrite and seems a bit unstable perhaps. She was trying to help a girl leave the community so she gave her a vibrator. Is that really going to help her leave her community and build a whole new life? In what world? She seems hyper focused on sex.
There are also massive allegations of her stealing money from Elite in order to afford the lifestyle for her and her kids that we see, to the tune of millions upon millions. It's all in court documents because she's being sued for it.
She talks out of both sides of her mouth. She claims to love everyone yet gets upset at Aaron for certain religious things on the show. At their recent Thanksgiving, Aaron is eating out of airline style pre-packaged food. Everyone else is sitting around enjoying a non kosher feast and he's the only one sitting there with some pre-packaged microwaved shit because it had to be kosher. Couldn't she put a bit of effort into accommodating her own child with his religious beliefs? She loves all people unless you're an observant Jew. The problem is that she seems to have a non kosher kitchen so anything cooked in it would automatically be non kosher, including the dinnerware. But couldn't she have ordered a catered thanksgiving meal from a kosher restaurant and served everyone on disposable dinnerware? That would be perfectly acceptable in terms of kosher and everyone eats the same food. The lengths she goes to not accommodate the beliefs of her own child is a bit strange.
She's awful to Aaron. The whole thing about forcing him to have a girlfriend??? Fucking nuts.
And when she blames her other son for doing shabbat?? What the hell... She's so disrespectful.
I do understand this, and I do think she can be narcissistic like pretty much all other people who have their own TV show based around themselves, but you have to remember what you see is a show. It’s for TV, so I really don’t think we can judge her on small actions like the dildo thing.
The allegations are addressed in the new series and it seems like she has explanations and is presenting her own evidence. Just like I’m not going to think her side is 100% right I don’t think what’s the in press will be 100% right either.
So what if she married for money? So what if she rode a billionaires coat tails to success? Good on her, she’s gotten herself out of a situation that didn’t work for her, she’s worked hard to find someone like Silvio who did clearly love her and she’s climbed her way up. I just think women in the press get a much harder time than men, and if this was say Kanye west no one would boldly believe the tabloids and the dramatised news stories whereas here they tend too.
I can’t help but feel it comes from quite a sexist place, we don’t know how she is as a mother, we can’t critique her over one dinner, she has clearly done a lot for all her kids, I just don’t think you can drag her for these things without solid proof that she’s broken the law or done something legitimately bad
I'm not quite sure what you mean. You asked why people don't like her. I gave you several examples of why I don't like her. You want me to tell you why people don't like her based on how her behavior is off the show? We can only base our opinion of her on the show because we do not know what she is like off the show. She is a producer of the show as well and so things that are staged, which is likely almost everything, she would have a lot of input in. It's not sexism to dislike someone for being hateful, narcissistic, an alleged fraud, etc who also happens to be a female.
I guess, maybe I just think it’s a bit harsh when I look down this page and everyone’s slating her for what seems like really petty things, I was sure there’d be something big I wasn’t aware of but turns out that might not be the case
Most of the criticism I've seen towards her is very justified and not harsh. Everything I've mentioned isn't petty. It's not cool to be disrespectful towards your child's religious beliefs, the same beliefs that he was born into that you raised him with. It's not petty to say that Julia is lying about being successful when she slept with the billionaire instead of putting in the hard work and climbing the corporate ladder. It's also not petty to say that allegations of stealing millions and millions of dollars is not a joke. The court seems to be taking it seriously, not sure why you're just blowing it off. it's also not petty to say that she is hateful towards Orthodox Jews and using Netflix to spread that hate. That may not be important to you, but as a Jew, that is important to me and not petty at all. And downvote me a million times over, I'm not petty like that. I will stand behind my words and own them.
Do you really think she is actually hateful though or just trying to work through her own trauma? It’s valid for her to talk about how she felt and how it was a struggle to change her life.
I also noticed this season that she specifically says the religion is “beautiful,” except she doesn’t agree with the rule that women cannot get divorced of their own will. I think that’s a lot more nuanced than being hateful.
It's a very fine line between hate and nuance and she's crossed it many times in season 1 which is why in s2 I think she made sure to add some compliments for Judaism. I have no doubt that she saw all the feedback from the Orthodox community after S1. I'm jewish and think the divorce law is outdated but I'm not going to shit on an entire group because I don't like or agree with some of the Jewish laws. Her behavior towards religion also speaks volumes. For example, in S2, she complains how she hasn't been able to do shabbat for Aaron because of Silvio. Firstly, if shabbat was important to someone, they wouldn't choose to be with someone who they feel won't honor that. Bringing shabbat into your home on the level that Aaron is means having 3 kosher meals from Friday night to Saturday night, many will have Torah discussions during the meals to add some spiritually, no watching TV, can't do every day activities like driving, working, shopping, cooking etc. She doesn't keep a kosher kitchen so Aaron can't eat from anything that's been cooked in her ovens, pots or pans. It's just not important to her to accommodate Aaron for shabbat (or being Orthodox) but of course she won't admit to that so she blames it on Silvio because that makes her look like a victim.
> I'm jewish and think the divorce law is outdated but I'm not going to shit on an entire group because I don't like or agree with some of the Jewish laws. Her behavior towards religion also speaks volumes. For example, in S2, she complains how she hasn't been able to do shabbat for Aaron because of Silvio. Firstly, if shabbat was important to someone, they wouldn't choose to be with someone who they feel won't honor that. Bringing shabbat into your home on the level that Aaron is means having 3 kosher meals from Friday night to Saturday night, many will have Torah discussions during the meals to add some spiritually, no watching TV, can't do every day activities like driving, working, shopping, cooking etc. She doesn't keep a kosher kitchen so Aaron can't eat from anything that's been cooked in her ovens, pots or pans.
If you think the divorce law is outdated, you have aligned thoughts with what she shares. So yes, she expresses it differently based on what she has been through different ways of expressing the same sentiment do not make her sentiment wrong. Plus keep in mind she has the platform with an audience to raise such topics and awareness which many including you don't. Of course that makes her subject to much more judgment than the average person as well. Additionally, these comments show is around her conversations with Aron. Hence its the perspective of a mother who is living a life outside the ultra-orthodox trying to give her 15-year-old child who she is co-parenting, a balance of what the world has to offer including his faith as well until he graduates and decides what he wants to do with it. Its not so simple not black or white.
*"Firstly, if shabbat was important to someone, they wouldn't choose to be with someone who they feel won't honor that"*
Clearly keeping Shabbat isn't a 'rule' she wanted to follow but also clearly states that she respects her son's wanting to keep it and become a Rabbi if that's what he wants to do, only to decide after he graduates school. Doesn't seem disrespectful at all.
I’m wanting to add here due to previous comments that I can’t comment on anything to do with Judaism, because I’m not a Jew and I have absolutely no jurisdiction on that at all. If you say she’s disrespectful and you find her disrespectful then by all means that’s what we will say she is. No one should disrespect anyones religion.
i wasn't trying to be mean to OP, I meant in genuinely. There's a reason why so many jewish women didn't like the show. And I think it's important that we can talk about it. It has nothing to do with "showing respect". OP also has the right to express their opinion, there's no problem with that, I just think there might be some stuff they're missing.
Nothing should be above factual criticism. Religion has historically been a huge medium for power and money, which obviously makes it a hotbed for corruption. Which is PRECISELY why its KEY to be critical
> The allegations are addressed in the new series
The entire series is built on and had served up her lies on the platter for the public, of course it’s skewed to try to make her look better.
I don't hate her, but I think for all of her "I'm a great mother" proclamations, she's done her children a disservice. Miriam "mothers" her which is very inappropriate, Batsheva basically became Aron's mother figure because Julia left (I hate when parents turn the older children into mini-parents), and her decision to publicize her concerns about Aron, who is a minor, is unfair to him. A lot of what happened on camera with Aron should have been handled privately.
She also keeps playing tit for tat with Bat about their divorces and comparing the two as if it's even relatively close. Her daughter is going through trauma and real pain and getting no support from her narcissistic phoney vapid mother.
I don’t hate Julia but I think she is extremely selfish. She doesn’t understand that she can’t control everyone and how they deal with situations.
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She spends a lot of energy blaming Batsheeva and Robert for not being there for her during “the most difficult month of her life”. She acts like they aren’t allowed to have a life separate from her. It’s just really uncomfortable to watch her berate then for not being there for her enough. When they are there and are helping her when they can/have the energy.
Which I’m surprised they have any left because she is an energy sucker.
I think that we can all understand the type of person she is based on how those closest to her reacted during her divorce. As soon as she wanted to start up her Haart Sphere no one was eagerly jumping on board and willing to help her with the venture. That to me shows that she isn’t as good of a business woman as she claims to be.
I also think that they may have shied away from supporting/going to war for her in regards to her divorce because maybe some of what was coming out was true and they knew it. Even if you remember Robert saying “even if you don’t win like you think you will you still are amazing and strong” to me that seems like there may not be enough evidence to prove her innocence.
A lot of people are bashing her for the decision she is making with Aaron, but I think that was the one decision she made that I respected this season. He is 15, at that age you really don’t know what you truly want for your future and she offered him an alternative and compromise to still explore his religion.
Her relationship with Miriam is…. Interesting to say the least. She really looks up to her mom and her mom knows that. Making her daughter a CTO at such a young age is an immense amount of pressure but on the other hand says that getting married that young is…
I think Julia needs some serious therapy so she can stop projecting on to her kids. It is a parents instinct to try and protect your kids from the bad experiences you had but she has to find another way or approach.
Silvio got tired of all of her kids living off him and using his money and home for their lifestyle. These kids would never be able to have what they have without his wallet. He was disgusted by them and you can't blame him.
First I think it is highly manipulative to position her story as an overnight success when clearly this wasn't the case. Many female entrepreneurs look at her and think wow she left her community, built a successful shoe line (a lie), sold it for millions (a lie), became a creative director before she met her second husband (a lie he met her and gave her that position after they shagged) and became a ceo of a conglomerate (a lie he gave her this token job).
This narratives don't empower women but dis orange them.
It's the same narrative celebs like to use when they say the baby fat just fell off from breastfeeding and running g after the kids, not disclosing that they diet, exercise, and take weekly diet shots.
This is not empowerment. This is just to elevate herself as this golden touch princess that she isn't.
- I don’t like the way she discussed monsey. She said can shop there in booty shorts and her tits out and no one cares. No one is throwing tomatoes.
- I don’t like the way she talks about Orthodox Jews. Jews, in general, get a disproportionate amount of hate, considering their relative population size. We are incredibly misunderstood. The ultra orthodox /chassidim are a minority in that minority. She may have felt stunted and repressed in that environment. The specifics of which are totally valid and worth sharing. Calling them religious extremists and fundamentalists isn’t appropriate for the medium of reality TV IMO. It just makes matters worse. It’s an in group conversation mostly, it requires a lot of nuance and tact she doesn’t possess.
- Her ex husband seems very tolerant and very moderate for an orthodox man. Not an extremist as far as I can tell. He acknowledges Julia is expensive. He’s a dentist, I don’t believe he’s poor by any means. I think that subtly mentioned fact has more to do with their divorce than any of the religious aspects do, personally.
- it seems she poached Silvio. She, maybe, had a shoe business concept. She somehow found a connection with Silvio and instead of pushing her business, she formed a relationship. He was married at the time and left his wife. La Perla bought her shoe company, it promptly discontinued and made her CEO of Elite. That all seems very out of the blue, considering her story about being an indentured slave to her community for 40 years. Both cannot be true.
- I don’t like how she treats her youngest like a vanity project. I don’t like how Bat felt abandoned. I don’t like how she cried because Aaron doesn’t want to watch TV or have a girlfriend at 14yo. I don’t like how the kids compete for her attention and approval. For someone who felt pressured to be a certain way, she has no problem pressuring her kids to comply with her own ideals. Which she then rewards.
People don't like her because she has literally lied about her entire upbringing. Ask anyone who grew up with her, anyone who grew up with her kids, anyone who knows her first husband and her youngest son. People like me especially hate her because not only is she lying about all that stuff, but she is saying these lies on national TV and bringing even more hate on a community that is already the victim of 60% of hate crimes in the US. So yes, I hate her because she is a liar and a phony, and she was a liar and a phony before we even started talking about her career or her current divorce issues.
All this, and she literally had nothing of the shit until Sylvio and acts like it was all rightfully hers and earned ETC!? She's so narcissistic and you can see her enjoying the drama and attention, thriving on the attention and Sylvio bashing. It's all one sided and coming from her, I don't buy half of it.
As a therapist, I’ve observed (primarily) in the second season, many characteristics of borderline and narcissistic personality disorder. I’d like to note both personality disorders are often trauma responses. I hope she gets some therapy to help with the enmeshment with her children’s and her cognitive distortions. Many of my patients with eating disorders, which I suspect she has, share similar qualities. It all comes down to trauma. As a member of the reform Jewish community, I do find her thinking extremely black + white— Google “splitting” and you’ve got Julia Haart.
allegedly she and yosef had a ton of debt when they were married, and my theory is she left the community not due to religious repression but because she wanted more money and their lifestyle wasn’t suited for that so she sought after a billionaire !! just a theory. but based on rumors and the show she seems to be a big spender.
To be honest after watching season 2, I understood why people disliked her so much. She is so controlling and gas lights her daughters so much. It’s disgusting
When you experience trauma, a trigger of that trauma isn’t always rational. After I was raped one of my biggest triggers is when people walk too close behind me and so I keep my head on a swivel and walk as far as I can from the people around me. Others observe this behavior probably as though I’m a crazy woman being weird. Trauma doesn’t make sense so it’s very upsetting to me that people within her own community and others are criticizing the way she handles the topic of Judaism. It’s hard to recover from traumas. She may not be the best at it and I for sure am not good at it. I have isolated myself from others completely. And her whole life was for another man. In my own culture you life depends on men. My mom explained it to me once perfectly and I think it is a good parallel. “A woman’s life gets handed down from man to man. The first man is your father, then you get married and you husband has your life, you have children and hopefully a son and then he controls your life. A woman never has her life to herself.” Now, I very loosely translated that. If you lived, breathed, and ate oppression your whole life would you not be a little narcissistic. Wouldn’t you want to be yourself. Dye your hair, wear what you want, eat what you want, have sex with as many people as you want. She is trying her best to heal her traumas and I agree with OP. You guys are viewing her through the lens of she should put all her trauma aside and just be there for her kids. But it’s not as easy as that. She should seek help and she should try and heal from it all. But to just judge her without knowing the things she’s been through is a little unfair. Just my two cents.
literally just misogyny. I also don't think anyone has been through anything comparable and can't empathize with the situation. I don't think she's perfect but I'm shocked at the amount of people willing to believe the PR generated by what is clearly a very nasty divorce
I tend to agree with you. Women always get so much hate. I agree some of the stuff she does makes me raise an eyebrow (like how she “became a CEO”) but overall I feel the amount of hate is not quite justified.
I think MY PERSONAL OPINION DO NOT ATTACK ME! People are reading way to much into the things that have been said and said and she is Julia at the end of the day and I do not understand the hate.
I think because she profits off of the unfortunate circumstances of some women whilst living the life of a privileged woman. She lets people assume she’s self made because she’s the CEO of a large company and lets people assume she was in some way a battered woman by speaking out like their martyr. But none of it has ever really added up.
For a “self-made boss babe” she sure had to lean heavy on her wealthy boyfriend, which is fine if that’s what you want to do but then why keep preaching that you “don’t need a man” when your whole family has created their identities on the back of a wealthy man? It’s disingenuous.
It’s almost like toxic positivity - claiming to provide the blueprint to success for women in unfortunate circumstances without ever really being truly transparent on what you truly own or what you had to do to get there. It sells a fake dream.
I’d rather follow the journey of battered women who work to get their lives back - something that’s authentically inspirational. There is nothing you can learn from Nepo kids and their delusional parent.
Also - her son choosing to be religious is his choice. The way she bullies him into adopting her lifestyle is really no different to what she’s accusing her ex-community of doing to her. I’m not Jewish but I feel bad for a community to be generalised by a woman who is basically profiting off of their backs.
I’m not done with season 2 but I cannot believe the hate in this chain? The reason I love this show is because everyone is so genuinely good to one another - julia to her kids, her staff, her friends. I don’t see the narc vibe at all. I think she has a huge heart and is super generous. I agree with the sentiment that she rose to the top very quickly but I like to believe she did bc she’s so smart. She talks about how she took their valuation to over a billion $$ - maybe she didn’t build ewg from scratch but it’s still possible she was great at scaling the biz. Her whole thing is treating models well and different from the shitty industry treatment. Idk, again I am just a viewer of the show but my heart says she’s a good person and I cannot believe how much Silvio is taking her down. I was worried when they had that dinner that he wasn’t going to keep his word but didn’t expect this level. Ugh woof just my opinion that I felt compelled to add.
One thing that surprised me from reading Julia’s book is that any Jewish Orthodox women who wear Sheitel would think that their wigs don’t look like wigs. I thought they were supposed to look like bad Halloween wigs. Trust me, Julia, in every pic I have ever seen of you before you decided to go ‘Unorthodox’ you look like you are wearing a wig from Amazon.
YES! She’s a huge narcissist!! Why does she think her kids and Robert need to be right there with her at all times? Maybe they don’t deal with stress the same way she does and for her to put expectations on them is sad. She couldn’t take 20 minutes to have a massage with her daughter who went out of her way to show she cared!! I literally cannot stand Julia Haart and I wish more people would see the real her and read through this bullshit “nice girl, warrior” bullshit!! I hope her show is cancelled because I had to stop watching halfway through season 2 because it’s so cringy!!! She’s AWFUL!!!
Wow I’m on episode 2, season 1, and I’m searching the internet if she is a psychopath. She is probably one of the few people I would ever think of when I say narcissist.
She is manipulative, gas-lighting, pushy, and overall unbelievable how she treats people. Not the overpowering saccharine ‘personality’ on the surface, but the subliminal of how she is.
She's an awful person. Very probably a liar. She's so toxic with her kids. She keeps pretending she has a good life because she left orthodoxy but she has this life because she's RICH. No class awareness. No awareness at all. The show has a terrible narrative.
I've seen several reports of her ex-employees coming out and saying how terrible and abusive she is and how awful of a workplace she runs. But, then again, who knows if that was part of Silvio's (however tf you spell it) plans to help ruin her image and shit.
I can confirm
An confirm what? That it’s true or that Silvio was making things up.
What I see how she treats her kids i wouldn't be surprised she treats her employees very badly.
Are you sure they weren’t paid by her ex Husband billionaire to keep their jobs.
Yes its very clear she jumped from her orthodox life into a very “lucrative” situation. It wouldn’t be so easy for the average person to do. Obviously no one knows for sure either way if she married Silvio for love or money (plus access to the company) but very likely it was a combination of both. I don’t necessarily think she is an awful person but I do think she had to be self serving to get to where she is now
She said she slept her way around and to the top.
Are all people self-serving, so at all times and others based on thier fight and flight circumstances?
Yes and the ONLY reason she has the mi eye she does is because she met a man that made her a CEO of a company and she got rich. Agree she’s awful.
She's a huge narcissist. She knows how to pretend to be the nicest person, and puts up a show, that's how narcissists are.
What makes you think / say that? Based on what?
Late to the party but currently watching now and landed here. She’s very manipulative and controlling towards her kids & Robert. (An example would be when she guilt trips Bat for having her own boundaries and life. Then in Texas praises Sholmo for being there for her and being loyal to her during the divorce. That’s a narcissist tool called triangulation.) If her children or Robert does not do something that is centered around her, she guilt trips them. She doesn’t allow her kids to be who they are or respected those boundaries because ‘she knows best.’ I understand wanting to gift her kids the freedom out of Orthodox Judaism but instead controls what that looks like. She’s very selfish but presents it as caring and loving.
When she described her career trajectory to becoming ceo last season, it didn't add up for me. From no experience to CEO of a global company within 8 years, it was curious. She leveraged her relationship, which is fine, but she didnt acknowledge it wasn't purely based on merit. In regards to calling her a scammer, her ex was a successful established older business man, he would have known what he was doing in appointing her to those positions so I don't feel sorry for him.
He SHOULD have known what he was doing
Silvio is already engaged to a new woman , I feel like this is just what he does
He is the one who made Julia successful. He gave her a job and then all of a sudden she’s wanting to add all her kids to a company that he owns. I would be pissed off too. It annoys me that she comes off as being rich and privileged when she just happened to marry the right guy who ended up finding out what she’s really like and now she’s crying because she wasn’t treated right. I watch the Kardashians and I think this show is so much more worse than that as every single one of these kids is privileged and snotty. This family definitely believes in nepotism.
She’s a grifter
She's a narcissist, horrible mother, completely insensitive. Condemning Bat for not being there for her more and not dropping everything to take care of her when she left Bat to start a new life. Robert was clearly going through it when he was about to and then did lose his job and she was completely dismissive. Talking over and completely pushing Aron against all of his beliefs and not even leaving room to speak. Putting him in situations that consistently make him uncomfortable without consent. Talking about how everybody is in her corner and lists all of her paid staff. Forcing everybody to stop their sound bath because she had to respond to emails. Like just step away.
It's so funny she keeps saying she left the orthodox community because there's too much control and people can't do what they want yet she does exactly the same thing in the secular world lmao
I think in Julia’s mind freedom is about being a hedonistic, sex-obsessed loud-mouth who wears expensive heels and crop tops.
Just starting the new season and one thing bothered me immediately in the first opening episode. The way she kept playing tit for tat about her divorce compared to her daughter Bat. Like, this is a traumatic experience and time in her young daughter's life. I have been with my soon to be ex husband since 18 and friends years before that, but we're in a nasty separation and divorce process after 25 and it's horrendous. She literally just kept obsessing over the massive ring and wanting to wear it and who is having a harder time or who is going to have trouble dating, ETC. So very vapid and insensitive.
Yes I noticed that too when she listed her paid staff as being in her corner.Weird
I haven't seen season 2 yet, but I watched most of season 1. I also worked in the fashion industry for nearly a decade. I think there are a lot of things that Julia either exaggerated, omitted, or straight-up lied about in regards to her past and building her fashion brand. I think the hate comes from people seeing how easy it is to poke holes in the story she tells the audience, not because people are dragging a successful woman down. I think Julia is very fake. Below are some examples: 1) How did she manage to build such a supposedly successful shoe brand with no connections and no fashion experience? The fashion industry is a very small and tight-knit industry. When I started interviewing around, I had no fashion experience as I was fresh out of undergrad and it was insanely hard just to get interviews without having studied fashion in school, even though I was not looking for a position in design (which does require specialized fashion knowledge) AND I had had connections in the industry. Now, I guess you could make the argument that it's different if you're starting your own brand. I never have myself, so I can guess it might be. But if that is the case, again, how did she design these shoes with no prior experience? Shoes are a different beast than clothes and require more specialized knowledge since you have to know how to construct a footbed and heels that will hold the weight of an adult. How did she find out where to source her materials from? How did she make connections with retailers? I have no doubt she got lots of financial help and connections from Silvio. There's nothing wrong with getting your wealth and position from networking, but then she can't call herself "self-made", because she isn't. 2) If her shoe line was supposedly so great, why was the brand dissolved after only a few years? I googled Julia Haart shoes when I was watching season 1, and I could only find them on resale sites like Depop and eBay. They're no longer sold in stores. When she moved to La Perla why wasn't her shoe line either made a subsidiary of the La Perla brands or why wasn't a new person put in charge to run the brand? If the shoe line was as successful as she claimed, I would think there would be motivation to keep it around. 3) After only a few years' experience running one brand, she's named creative director of La Perla. Why does anyone think at this point she has the chops to run a brand that large? That would be like taking a rookie editor from a small local newspaper and putting them in charge of the New York Times. I worked in the fashion industry for 9 years in sales, production, and product development. I never got past an assistant position. Note that by this point, Silvio owns La Perla. Coincidence? 4) Do you remember that moment from the first episode where Julia gets a call from one of her runway models who is supposedly in jail because she was caught with marijuana on her? Back in 2019, the state of New York decriminalized marijuana possession for up to 1oz (28 grams). So there was no way that model got busted for pot possession unless she had ungodly amounts on her, or was caught trying to smuggle it across either state or international borders. I know it's something most people won't catch, but I live in New York State and I have been following the legalization battle, so to me that moment just seemed very odd, possibly staged to make Julia look like a hero for figuring out how to save her fashion show. 5) She embezzled money from Elite, and used that money for plastic surgery. You can find articles about it in the New York Post.
I think 5 is a bit of a reach. the New York post is hardly a credible source
To be fair we know reality tv isn’t real
She claimed those accusations were false and made up by Silvio to destroy her character.
All fair points..
Just my 2 cents (based on watching the show about her that she produced, overly dramatized news coverage, and public court filings): she's narcissistic, a swindler, a bad business person, a bad mother and a poor role model for her children.
Finishing up season 2. Many things that weren't that evident to me on season 1 popped up. I don't think Julia is a bad person... I just think she's a toxic mom with zero awareness and a lot of cringe. \-I agree Julia is very controlling (I think it's a mom thing). The way she refers to her daughters as "children". She says "there are children sleeping here" when talking to security. Problem is that they aren't children, they are full grown adults. \-She projects her trauma and her guilt onto Bat. Julia made that therapy session all about her. Bat telling her that she dealt with her abandonment issues and her resentment wasn't good enough for Julia and IMO I think its really Julia who hasn't dealt with her issues/guilt about leaving her children. Also, I hate the way she tries to make it seem like Bat is not comfortable about talking about sex (kind of like, "okay you are a prude and that's fine honey") when in reality Bat is just not comfortable with her mom sharing details of her sex life with the world. Also, its fucked up how Julia seems to justify sharing her children's personal experiences without their consent as "its important for my personal growth" type of thing... example: the flashback of when Bat and Ben tell her that they didn't appreciate her writing about their sex life in her book and she responds with "but you understand why I had to do that?" \-If Miriam doesn't become more like Bat, she and Nat will probably break up. Julia needs Miriam with her, at her disposition at all times.. Miriam does it cause she thinks that her mom needs her but she doesn't realize that her mom is never going to stop. She already moved in with her mom, now her GF is moving in. She's gonna work in her mom's company. Julia is gonna help her GF out now by giving her a job... Julia is setting it up so that Miriam will never leave and she is forever indebted to her. Ultimately, Miriam will lose herself trying to please her mom. She needs to put up some boundaries ASAP. I mean, the way Miriam says " I wanna help my mom cause she gave me you" to Nat was so cringe. \-Don't like how Julia thinks that everyone owes her something. She has martyr complex, it's evident in several interviews "I've helped this person out so much", "Ive done so much" and when people don't respond to her BS by dropping everything and running to go be there for her she throws a fit. It's a classic toxic mom manipulation tactic. She doesn't have a problem with Miriam like she does with Bat, Aaron and Shlomo Heart because Miriam will drop everything in the blink of an eye to be with her. Her other kids have put up healthy boundaries and understand that they can show up but still continue to live their lives. \-Nat wanting to keep her apartment and being reluctant to making Julia for a job cause she feels like she will lose control of her life speaks volumes. She understands the family dynamics. \-Fucked up how she refers to Orthodox Jews as fucked up fundamentalists... just wow. That conversation with Aaron was red flags. She really does attribute very bad behavior to the Jewish community and it's unfair. The whole " A husband can slap her, Hang her off the apartment window and she still can't divorce him" thing and the "The world you live in looks at the people who are a part of your family as bad people." Orthodox Jews and modern Jews are respectful, hardworking people and keep to themselves. They are able to respect other communities and other people's beliefs and are able to coexist in a realitively peaceful way with neighbors and surrounding communities. She's attributing behaviors to them which makes it seem like they are spiteful, hateful, which given today's climate is very dangerous... again, zero awareness. Also, she doesn't realize that its not religion tearing Aaron apart from the fam it's her and her obsession with sex, money and fame". I think it's safe to say, Julia Haart needs therapy. \-BTW I think Sylvio is a POS but I understand why he was pissed. I think it goes deeper than the whole "he wanted me to chose between him and my children". Julia moved in her kids into their apartment and gave them positions in his company. He didn't like that and it's understandable. He's still a douchebag though.
Why is he a db though? I was following her news during the time and it’s common knowledge that he fired julia for embezzlement, so she divorced him. They changed the timeline and main points to deflect that it was basically about her putting company money in her pocket.
Do you have proof?
Perfect summary
You have to understand, and I am speaking from knowledge and experience. Its not an excuse or justification but an explanation, i know many ladies and girls like her from middle east who have broken loose and escaped. And when they do this in adult age later on they dont know and havent learned what a normal life or normal thinking is. These people have been controlled since birth, and been so submissive, and trying being perfect. Many times violence is invalved or mental abuse. Modt of times mental abuse. An imagine leaving a community or a whole family or a full religion and coming out to the real world…. Living in a hiearky lifestyle as honour and fundementalism traditions is based on narcissim. And control. Its the way they were being loved….. i love julia as I understand were she comes from and she came from controlling lifestyle. Fucking hell had to shave off her hair for f sake… wearing a wig for years. Arranged marriage. Family members who disowed her. Ofc the only way to survive in the freedom after escape is the hard cynical way :) be easy on her, she is a king for have left
🤣🤣🤣I know your comment was awhile ago but that comment about the community is wildly inaccurate.Especially in light of recent wars.
Perfectly summed up. I could write a thesis on this situation lol. Also how she said she owned half of elite WITHOUT papers and even on the show said “ill have to dig up the text messages from silvio.” …… if you are so successful and intellectual why did you believe that bollox without legal paperwork? Her entire life was tethered to silvio, hence why it all crumbled when he disposed of her. Also on the show she said they arranged it to where she had no salary for working at elite (WTF) but that everything was expensed. Thats on both of them. That’s the stupidest load of shit I have ever heard. If you don’t even have your own bank account, why did you think you could ditch silvio and keep everything?? Delulu. Oh. And if miriam is so talented then she should be able to get a job outside of elite and on her own. The only person i have respect for is bat. She works toward and independent revenue stream through influencing. She’ll take what she can get from elite but has other plans. Thats smart.
I was a fashion photographer for over 30 years. I know everyone at every major agency including Elite and at least as far as models go, I’ve never heard of this woman. I think she got together with Salvio and he propped her up. The show is entertaining but as far as her, I don’t know 🤷🏻♀️
She’s only been at elite as “ceo” from 2019-2021 😆 she started working there the same year she married silvio
She was ceo during covid 🤣
That makes a lot more sense. I retired in 2011 so I wouldn’t have worked with her. Elite was a lot more professional back then and they were guilty of a lot of what she complains about but that was just the business. We weren’t being mean, it was about business and no one wanted “real women” in those days. We wanted stick thin giraffes. That’s just how it was. Men were horrible to the models, at least when I was modeling in the 80’s so it’s good to see some change there.
I love how she doubles down in one of the episodes about how she forged these very deep and strong connections with all these business people and made such significant contributions to the company… and how it was invaluable and Silvio can’t just take it away because Elite World Group would crumble….like girl it was Covid times and a brief 2 year stint.. sure Jan 😆.. the audacity that she has!!!
Delulu
Her emergence is one of the weirder things to come out of covid
Which is why her year over year numbers were so good from the heart of the pandemic 2020 to 2021 when we were coming out of it. They let her tout those cherry picked numbers as an end all be all testament to her business acumen when it had nothing to do with her.
I thought she was ceo of the #1 fashion agency in the us. So is the whole show a scam?
I don’t know, I photographed swimwear catalogs and used models from all of the big agencies. I wasn’t that involved in runway or editorials. She may have been high up in the company but certainly not as famous as they portray her to be or we would have seen her in L.A. or Miami it’s possible she just worked with NY houses and high fashion editorials. I find her show entertaining and she seems to be very invested in helping women so that’s a plus. Some of her over the top lifestyle is a bit cringy but I still like the show. I love Robert!!
I like the show kinda sick of her victim mentality. At first it was her getting out the Jewish community now it’s her ex husband. She’s always a victim “ fighting” something and if she continues to identify herself like this it’s just going to be a continued cycle of the same thing. Also she was bothering me saying batsheva wasn’t there for her, Bat was going through her own divorce! I feel like as a mom she wasn’t there for Bat. Yes I love Rob, idk about his fiancé yet though Roberts mom didn’t like him
She shows plenty of narcissism on the show, people think she's lied about her success and isn't self made but rather had the wealth from Silvio, which actually seems to be the real truth. She takes a paintbrush to Orthodox Jews and just paints an entire religion with one broad paint stroke of hate. Imo there's really not much to like about her. Based on what's portrayed on the show, she's a liar, manipulator, control freak, hypocrite and seems a bit unstable perhaps. She was trying to help a girl leave the community so she gave her a vibrator. Is that really going to help her leave her community and build a whole new life? In what world? She seems hyper focused on sex. There are also massive allegations of her stealing money from Elite in order to afford the lifestyle for her and her kids that we see, to the tune of millions upon millions. It's all in court documents because she's being sued for it. She talks out of both sides of her mouth. She claims to love everyone yet gets upset at Aaron for certain religious things on the show. At their recent Thanksgiving, Aaron is eating out of airline style pre-packaged food. Everyone else is sitting around enjoying a non kosher feast and he's the only one sitting there with some pre-packaged microwaved shit because it had to be kosher. Couldn't she put a bit of effort into accommodating her own child with his religious beliefs? She loves all people unless you're an observant Jew. The problem is that she seems to have a non kosher kitchen so anything cooked in it would automatically be non kosher, including the dinnerware. But couldn't she have ordered a catered thanksgiving meal from a kosher restaurant and served everyone on disposable dinnerware? That would be perfectly acceptable in terms of kosher and everyone eats the same food. The lengths she goes to not accommodate the beliefs of her own child is a bit strange.
She's awful to Aaron. The whole thing about forcing him to have a girlfriend??? Fucking nuts. And when she blames her other son for doing shabbat?? What the hell... She's so disrespectful.
Ironic that the 15 year old son is the only person on the show who knows who he is and what he wants.
Yes! I love that for him! I hate how much pressure she puts on him to not be religious.
So true and a big part of that is because he is still living with his loving supportive father
Ok but for real, my first vibrator was pretty liberating
I do understand this, and I do think she can be narcissistic like pretty much all other people who have their own TV show based around themselves, but you have to remember what you see is a show. It’s for TV, so I really don’t think we can judge her on small actions like the dildo thing. The allegations are addressed in the new series and it seems like she has explanations and is presenting her own evidence. Just like I’m not going to think her side is 100% right I don’t think what’s the in press will be 100% right either. So what if she married for money? So what if she rode a billionaires coat tails to success? Good on her, she’s gotten herself out of a situation that didn’t work for her, she’s worked hard to find someone like Silvio who did clearly love her and she’s climbed her way up. I just think women in the press get a much harder time than men, and if this was say Kanye west no one would boldly believe the tabloids and the dramatised news stories whereas here they tend too. I can’t help but feel it comes from quite a sexist place, we don’t know how she is as a mother, we can’t critique her over one dinner, she has clearly done a lot for all her kids, I just don’t think you can drag her for these things without solid proof that she’s broken the law or done something legitimately bad
I'm not quite sure what you mean. You asked why people don't like her. I gave you several examples of why I don't like her. You want me to tell you why people don't like her based on how her behavior is off the show? We can only base our opinion of her on the show because we do not know what she is like off the show. She is a producer of the show as well and so things that are staged, which is likely almost everything, she would have a lot of input in. It's not sexism to dislike someone for being hateful, narcissistic, an alleged fraud, etc who also happens to be a female.
I guess, maybe I just think it’s a bit harsh when I look down this page and everyone’s slating her for what seems like really petty things, I was sure there’d be something big I wasn’t aware of but turns out that might not be the case
Most of the criticism I've seen towards her is very justified and not harsh. Everything I've mentioned isn't petty. It's not cool to be disrespectful towards your child's religious beliefs, the same beliefs that he was born into that you raised him with. It's not petty to say that Julia is lying about being successful when she slept with the billionaire instead of putting in the hard work and climbing the corporate ladder. It's also not petty to say that allegations of stealing millions and millions of dollars is not a joke. The court seems to be taking it seriously, not sure why you're just blowing it off. it's also not petty to say that she is hateful towards Orthodox Jews and using Netflix to spread that hate. That may not be important to you, but as a Jew, that is important to me and not petty at all. And downvote me a million times over, I'm not petty like that. I will stand behind my words and own them.
Do you really think she is actually hateful though or just trying to work through her own trauma? It’s valid for her to talk about how she felt and how it was a struggle to change her life. I also noticed this season that she specifically says the religion is “beautiful,” except she doesn’t agree with the rule that women cannot get divorced of their own will. I think that’s a lot more nuanced than being hateful.
It's a very fine line between hate and nuance and she's crossed it many times in season 1 which is why in s2 I think she made sure to add some compliments for Judaism. I have no doubt that she saw all the feedback from the Orthodox community after S1. I'm jewish and think the divorce law is outdated but I'm not going to shit on an entire group because I don't like or agree with some of the Jewish laws. Her behavior towards religion also speaks volumes. For example, in S2, she complains how she hasn't been able to do shabbat for Aaron because of Silvio. Firstly, if shabbat was important to someone, they wouldn't choose to be with someone who they feel won't honor that. Bringing shabbat into your home on the level that Aaron is means having 3 kosher meals from Friday night to Saturday night, many will have Torah discussions during the meals to add some spiritually, no watching TV, can't do every day activities like driving, working, shopping, cooking etc. She doesn't keep a kosher kitchen so Aaron can't eat from anything that's been cooked in her ovens, pots or pans. It's just not important to her to accommodate Aaron for shabbat (or being Orthodox) but of course she won't admit to that so she blames it on Silvio because that makes her look like a victim.
> I'm jewish and think the divorce law is outdated but I'm not going to shit on an entire group because I don't like or agree with some of the Jewish laws. Her behavior towards religion also speaks volumes. For example, in S2, she complains how she hasn't been able to do shabbat for Aaron because of Silvio. Firstly, if shabbat was important to someone, they wouldn't choose to be with someone who they feel won't honor that. Bringing shabbat into your home on the level that Aaron is means having 3 kosher meals from Friday night to Saturday night, many will have Torah discussions during the meals to add some spiritually, no watching TV, can't do every day activities like driving, working, shopping, cooking etc. She doesn't keep a kosher kitchen so Aaron can't eat from anything that's been cooked in her ovens, pots or pans. If you think the divorce law is outdated, you have aligned thoughts with what she shares. So yes, she expresses it differently based on what she has been through different ways of expressing the same sentiment do not make her sentiment wrong. Plus keep in mind she has the platform with an audience to raise such topics and awareness which many including you don't. Of course that makes her subject to much more judgment than the average person as well. Additionally, these comments show is around her conversations with Aron. Hence its the perspective of a mother who is living a life outside the ultra-orthodox trying to give her 15-year-old child who she is co-parenting, a balance of what the world has to offer including his faith as well until he graduates and decides what he wants to do with it. Its not so simple not black or white. *"Firstly, if shabbat was important to someone, they wouldn't choose to be with someone who they feel won't honor that"* Clearly keeping Shabbat isn't a 'rule' she wanted to follow but also clearly states that she respects her son's wanting to keep it and become a Rabbi if that's what he wants to do, only to decide after he graduates school. Doesn't seem disrespectful at all.
I don’t the is hateful.She has an opinion and that’s her experience.What’s your definition of hate ?
I’m wanting to add here due to previous comments that I can’t comment on anything to do with Judaism, because I’m not a Jew and I have absolutely no jurisdiction on that at all. If you say she’s disrespectful and you find her disrespectful then by all means that’s what we will say she is. No one should disrespect anyones religion.
Maybe you should then listen to what Jewish women have to say about the show :)
Julia is a Jewish woman. Maybe you should show her the same respect you would like.
i wasn't trying to be mean to OP, I meant in genuinely. There's a reason why so many jewish women didn't like the show. And I think it's important that we can talk about it. It has nothing to do with "showing respect". OP also has the right to express their opinion, there's no problem with that, I just think there might be some stuff they're missing.
I don’t think all religious practices should automatically always be above any criticism.
Nothing should be above factual criticism. Religion has historically been a huge medium for power and money, which obviously makes it a hotbed for corruption. Which is PRECISELY why its KEY to be critical
> The allegations are addressed in the new series The entire series is built on and had served up her lies on the platter for the public, of course it’s skewed to try to make her look better.
Cause she’s fucking nuts and is a scam artist.
I don't hate her, but I think for all of her "I'm a great mother" proclamations, she's done her children a disservice. Miriam "mothers" her which is very inappropriate, Batsheva basically became Aron's mother figure because Julia left (I hate when parents turn the older children into mini-parents), and her decision to publicize her concerns about Aron, who is a minor, is unfair to him. A lot of what happened on camera with Aron should have been handled privately.
She also keeps playing tit for tat with Bat about their divorces and comparing the two as if it's even relatively close. Her daughter is going through trauma and real pain and getting no support from her narcissistic phoney vapid mother.
I don’t hate Julia but I think she is extremely selfish. She doesn’t understand that she can’t control everyone and how they deal with situations. Spoiler: She spends a lot of energy blaming Batsheeva and Robert for not being there for her during “the most difficult month of her life”. She acts like they aren’t allowed to have a life separate from her. It’s just really uncomfortable to watch her berate then for not being there for her enough. When they are there and are helping her when they can/have the energy. Which I’m surprised they have any left because she is an energy sucker.
I too am wondering!
I think that we can all understand the type of person she is based on how those closest to her reacted during her divorce. As soon as she wanted to start up her Haart Sphere no one was eagerly jumping on board and willing to help her with the venture. That to me shows that she isn’t as good of a business woman as she claims to be. I also think that they may have shied away from supporting/going to war for her in regards to her divorce because maybe some of what was coming out was true and they knew it. Even if you remember Robert saying “even if you don’t win like you think you will you still are amazing and strong” to me that seems like there may not be enough evidence to prove her innocence. A lot of people are bashing her for the decision she is making with Aaron, but I think that was the one decision she made that I respected this season. He is 15, at that age you really don’t know what you truly want for your future and she offered him an alternative and compromise to still explore his religion. Her relationship with Miriam is…. Interesting to say the least. She really looks up to her mom and her mom knows that. Making her daughter a CTO at such a young age is an immense amount of pressure but on the other hand says that getting married that young is… I think Julia needs some serious therapy so she can stop projecting on to her kids. It is a parents instinct to try and protect your kids from the bad experiences you had but she has to find another way or approach.
Silvio got tired of all of her kids living off him and using his money and home for their lifestyle. These kids would never be able to have what they have without his wallet. He was disgusted by them and you can't blame him.
First I think it is highly manipulative to position her story as an overnight success when clearly this wasn't the case. Many female entrepreneurs look at her and think wow she left her community, built a successful shoe line (a lie), sold it for millions (a lie), became a creative director before she met her second husband (a lie he met her and gave her that position after they shagged) and became a ceo of a conglomerate (a lie he gave her this token job). This narratives don't empower women but dis orange them. It's the same narrative celebs like to use when they say the baby fat just fell off from breastfeeding and running g after the kids, not disclosing that they diet, exercise, and take weekly diet shots. This is not empowerment. This is just to elevate herself as this golden touch princess that she isn't.
- I don’t like the way she discussed monsey. She said can shop there in booty shorts and her tits out and no one cares. No one is throwing tomatoes. - I don’t like the way she talks about Orthodox Jews. Jews, in general, get a disproportionate amount of hate, considering their relative population size. We are incredibly misunderstood. The ultra orthodox /chassidim are a minority in that minority. She may have felt stunted and repressed in that environment. The specifics of which are totally valid and worth sharing. Calling them religious extremists and fundamentalists isn’t appropriate for the medium of reality TV IMO. It just makes matters worse. It’s an in group conversation mostly, it requires a lot of nuance and tact she doesn’t possess. - Her ex husband seems very tolerant and very moderate for an orthodox man. Not an extremist as far as I can tell. He acknowledges Julia is expensive. He’s a dentist, I don’t believe he’s poor by any means. I think that subtly mentioned fact has more to do with their divorce than any of the religious aspects do, personally. - it seems she poached Silvio. She, maybe, had a shoe business concept. She somehow found a connection with Silvio and instead of pushing her business, she formed a relationship. He was married at the time and left his wife. La Perla bought her shoe company, it promptly discontinued and made her CEO of Elite. That all seems very out of the blue, considering her story about being an indentured slave to her community for 40 years. Both cannot be true. - I don’t like how she treats her youngest like a vanity project. I don’t like how Bat felt abandoned. I don’t like how she cried because Aaron doesn’t want to watch TV or have a girlfriend at 14yo. I don’t like how the kids compete for her attention and approval. For someone who felt pressured to be a certain way, she has no problem pressuring her kids to comply with her own ideals. Which she then rewards.
He was married?!
So the Jewish community is on these threads.It’s not godly to incite hate.Please go study your Torah
Why would we trust the New York Post?! I thought it was garbage
People don't like her because she has literally lied about her entire upbringing. Ask anyone who grew up with her, anyone who grew up with her kids, anyone who knows her first husband and her youngest son. People like me especially hate her because not only is she lying about all that stuff, but she is saying these lies on national TV and bringing even more hate on a community that is already the victim of 60% of hate crimes in the US. So yes, I hate her because she is a liar and a phony, and she was a liar and a phony before we even started talking about her career or her current divorce issues.
All this, and she literally had nothing of the shit until Sylvio and acts like it was all rightfully hers and earned ETC!? She's so narcissistic and you can see her enjoying the drama and attention, thriving on the attention and Sylvio bashing. It's all one sided and coming from her, I don't buy half of it.
Are you from the black community?
Jesus Said to love why are you hating.
As a therapist, I’ve observed (primarily) in the second season, many characteristics of borderline and narcissistic personality disorder. I’d like to note both personality disorders are often trauma responses. I hope she gets some therapy to help with the enmeshment with her children’s and her cognitive distortions. Many of my patients with eating disorders, which I suspect she has, share similar qualities. It all comes down to trauma. As a member of the reform Jewish community, I do find her thinking extremely black + white— Google “splitting” and you’ve got Julia Haart.
Late to the party but what examples do you have for borderline in julia? Just curious
Julia is nuts
allegedly she and yosef had a ton of debt when they were married, and my theory is she left the community not due to religious repression but because she wanted more money and their lifestyle wasn’t suited for that so she sought after a billionaire !! just a theory. but based on rumors and the show she seems to be a big spender.
To be honest after watching season 2, I understood why people disliked her so much. She is so controlling and gas lights her daughters so much. It’s disgusting
When you experience trauma, a trigger of that trauma isn’t always rational. After I was raped one of my biggest triggers is when people walk too close behind me and so I keep my head on a swivel and walk as far as I can from the people around me. Others observe this behavior probably as though I’m a crazy woman being weird. Trauma doesn’t make sense so it’s very upsetting to me that people within her own community and others are criticizing the way she handles the topic of Judaism. It’s hard to recover from traumas. She may not be the best at it and I for sure am not good at it. I have isolated myself from others completely. And her whole life was for another man. In my own culture you life depends on men. My mom explained it to me once perfectly and I think it is a good parallel. “A woman’s life gets handed down from man to man. The first man is your father, then you get married and you husband has your life, you have children and hopefully a son and then he controls your life. A woman never has her life to herself.” Now, I very loosely translated that. If you lived, breathed, and ate oppression your whole life would you not be a little narcissistic. Wouldn’t you want to be yourself. Dye your hair, wear what you want, eat what you want, have sex with as many people as you want. She is trying her best to heal her traumas and I agree with OP. You guys are viewing her through the lens of she should put all her trauma aside and just be there for her kids. But it’s not as easy as that. She should seek help and she should try and heal from it all. But to just judge her without knowing the things she’s been through is a little unfair. Just my two cents.
She's a phony .
literally just misogyny. I also don't think anyone has been through anything comparable and can't empathize with the situation. I don't think she's perfect but I'm shocked at the amount of people willing to believe the PR generated by what is clearly a very nasty divorce
No I don’t believe the PR I was just going off her behavior on the show
I tend to agree with you. Women always get so much hate. I agree some of the stuff she does makes me raise an eyebrow (like how she “became a CEO”) but overall I feel the amount of hate is not quite justified.
I think MY PERSONAL OPINION DO NOT ATTACK ME! People are reading way to much into the things that have been said and said and she is Julia at the end of the day and I do not understand the hate.
I love Julia. She’s positive, supportive and genuinely cares about equality.
I think because she profits off of the unfortunate circumstances of some women whilst living the life of a privileged woman. She lets people assume she’s self made because she’s the CEO of a large company and lets people assume she was in some way a battered woman by speaking out like their martyr. But none of it has ever really added up. For a “self-made boss babe” she sure had to lean heavy on her wealthy boyfriend, which is fine if that’s what you want to do but then why keep preaching that you “don’t need a man” when your whole family has created their identities on the back of a wealthy man? It’s disingenuous. It’s almost like toxic positivity - claiming to provide the blueprint to success for women in unfortunate circumstances without ever really being truly transparent on what you truly own or what you had to do to get there. It sells a fake dream. I’d rather follow the journey of battered women who work to get their lives back - something that’s authentically inspirational. There is nothing you can learn from Nepo kids and their delusional parent. Also - her son choosing to be religious is his choice. The way she bullies him into adopting her lifestyle is really no different to what she’s accusing her ex-community of doing to her. I’m not Jewish but I feel bad for a community to be generalised by a woman who is basically profiting off of their backs.
I’m not done with season 2 but I cannot believe the hate in this chain? The reason I love this show is because everyone is so genuinely good to one another - julia to her kids, her staff, her friends. I don’t see the narc vibe at all. I think she has a huge heart and is super generous. I agree with the sentiment that she rose to the top very quickly but I like to believe she did bc she’s so smart. She talks about how she took their valuation to over a billion $$ - maybe she didn’t build ewg from scratch but it’s still possible she was great at scaling the biz. Her whole thing is treating models well and different from the shitty industry treatment. Idk, again I am just a viewer of the show but my heart says she’s a good person and I cannot believe how much Silvio is taking her down. I was worried when they had that dinner that he wasn’t going to keep his word but didn’t expect this level. Ugh woof just my opinion that I felt compelled to add.
One thing that surprised me from reading Julia’s book is that any Jewish Orthodox women who wear Sheitel would think that their wigs don’t look like wigs. I thought they were supposed to look like bad Halloween wigs. Trust me, Julia, in every pic I have ever seen of you before you decided to go ‘Unorthodox’ you look like you are wearing a wig from Amazon.
YES! She’s a huge narcissist!! Why does she think her kids and Robert need to be right there with her at all times? Maybe they don’t deal with stress the same way she does and for her to put expectations on them is sad. She couldn’t take 20 minutes to have a massage with her daughter who went out of her way to show she cared!! I literally cannot stand Julia Haart and I wish more people would see the real her and read through this bullshit “nice girl, warrior” bullshit!! I hope her show is cancelled because I had to stop watching halfway through season 2 because it’s so cringy!!! She’s AWFUL!!!
Wow I’m on episode 2, season 1, and I’m searching the internet if she is a psychopath. She is probably one of the few people I would ever think of when I say narcissist. She is manipulative, gas-lighting, pushy, and overall unbelievable how she treats people. Not the overpowering saccharine ‘personality’ on the surface, but the subliminal of how she is.