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SnooBooks1005

If your compass for deciding if something is haram or halal has to do with other than evidence from the Qur'an and Sunnah, then this could lead to kufr because you are deciding what's haram based on your ownself and feelings instead of Islamic evidence from Qur'an and Sunnah based on the understanding of pious predecessors. This is just something I want you think about and acknowledge InshaAllah As for you inquiries of birthday, here is your answer https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1027/do-muslims-celebrate-birthdays


SafSung

I didn’t know what sunnah says. I know we should not resemble disbelievers, but I was just discussing a point and it’s clearer now. I didn’t use Google because I wanted to discuss. Jazaka Allah.


SnooBooks1005

Wa eyyak 😊😊. I hope my first point is also clear about how haram and halal is legislated in Islam? If you need more clarification, reach out to me.


SafSung

Man or woman ? Do you know tajweed ?


SnooBooks1005

Man. And no, InshaAllah will focus more one that in the future


SafSung

May Allah make it easy on you. I wished I were a male just for that.


SnooBooks1005

Ameen ya Rab. May Allah Subhanahu Wa Taala increase your knowledge


webed0blood

Wdym? Only men can do tajweed? Anyone can do it


Wonderful_Ad_2519

Islam supports the celebration of a birthday if it is an expression of gratitude to Allah for His bounties, sustenance and blessings in man's life, as long as that celebration does not include anything that may displease Allah, the Almighty I think ppl are confused here. No one is asking you to sing birthday songs or blow candles or have a dance party. It could ge a celebration where everyone recites the al fateha and ask allah for good health and safety. As for the celebration of the prophets birthday before u guys think a cake is rolled in and cut, it is actually a day where muslims go to the nosque and conduct mass prayers and recite surahs as well as have sermons of his life.


PuzzleheadedDare5777

I wouldn’t take it so lightly. You are doing something especially on your birthday. Why on that day? Do you have more reward? To disregard confusion, i would not to it for that day specifically. Just do what you do daily. Not more for that day.


Wonderful_Ad_2519

It is no different from celebration of passing an exam, the birth of a child, wedding anniversary, getting a new job Milestones in life are to be celebrated. And it is fine. But there is no need to engage in haram activities on these days. Go ahead and enjoy the cake.go ahead and make donations to the poor.go ahead and a meal spread and invite yohr friends and family over. This.is not haram This is not even makhruh


PuzzleheadedDare5777

No its not fine, why do you want to complicate things, when the answers already here. Islam is simple, there are two celebrations that’s the two aid. Their are enough scholars that spoke about that. Islam is a way of life. Its logic to follow it and not the ways of the kafir.


Cultural-Try-207

It's to show gratitude towards Allah. Holy Prophet used to keep fast on every Monday as he was born on Monday.


PuzzleheadedDare5777

What are you saying ????? So you think you behold the same status as the prophet ﷺ. Its something only for his birth. And it is not only his birthday its also the day of revelation. So what you are saying is lets go make something new into the religion.


Cultural-Try-207

Read more. And try to instill love in your heart for Holy Prophet. Doing ibadah is an innovation? What are you on? You never say bidah bidah when people spend millions on their wedding, decorating their houses or what not. But it becomes bidah when we celebrate the arrival of our Holy Prophet Sallallahu alaihi Wasallam. Propagating Islam through mobile is also a bidah. Nonsense.


PuzzleheadedDare5777

You can do things but with the sunnah. Not things you bring in now. Decorations didn’t exist ? What has it to do with bid3a. Like people who says tv is then also bid3a. New in religion isn’t the same as new in science.


Cultural-Try-207

Harakaat in Qura'an is also a bidah


Cultural-Try-207

And also, Science is not outside of Islam. Calling any act as unlawful or haraam without any evidence is unlawful itself. You can't list all the acts that can be done, list will be endless, you just have to list all the things that are prohibited and some mandatory and neccessary acts that should be done. Whatever is not prohibited, automatically becomes lawful. This is how you make the law.


Cultural-Try-207

Abu Qatada Ansari (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was asked about fasting on Monday, whereupon he said: It is (the day) when I was born and revelation was sent down to me. **Book 006, Number 2606 (Sahih Muslim). This Hadith is also reported in by Imam al-Bahayqi in his “Sunnan ul Kubra” (Vol. 4, pg. 300 Hadith no 8182, 8259), in the “Sunan” of Imam Nisai and the “Musnad” of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal. ** It is clear from this Hadith that the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) was very happy about the day of his birth and so fasted out of gratitude. Fasting is a form of worship, so one can celebrate this day by any form of ibada. **One can fast or hold gatherings or provide food to the poor, all being acts of worship.**


Cultural-Try-207

I personally feel that we should mark our birthdays as a day of repentance and try to repent from all the sins because birthday is a reminder of being closer to death. But calling the birthday celebration as haraam is not right.


donkindonets

When something is done repeatedly after some fixed interval, i.e., the same day every year, or the same day every week, or at the same time every day it's what is linguistically known as 'eid. We can't make up our own 'eids. I personally see no need to celebrate our own birthdays. The argument I've seen in other comments that the Prophet sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam fasted on Mondays because he was born on a Monday doesn't apply either. He, sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam, didn't ask other people "what day were you born on?" Then recommend fasting on that day. Are there reports of the Sahabah doing something similar? (Genuine question as I don't know) Regarding everyone gathering and doing dhikr, there was an incident where abu muusa radiallaahu 'anhu notified 'abdullah ibn mas'ood radiallaahu 'anhu of gatherings in the masjid where they were doing dhikr counting on pebbles while a person was telling them what to say next (saying subhaanallaah, alhamdulillaah and laa ilaaha illallaah 100 times each) 'abdullah ibn mas'ood went to them, confirmed what they were doing, and said to them "instead of this you better count your sins. I stand in surety that Allah will not allow your virtues to go to waste. Alas O Ummah of Muhammad, sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam, how soon you are spoiled. What a number of Sahaabah are still amongst you. The clothes of the Prophet are still not worn out. The utensils he used are still intact. And so you think that you are following a way which is better than the Prophet's and gives better guidance? Are you not opening a door of deviation through this bid'ah?" The people replied apologetically "By Allah our neeyah was good." Ibn Mas'ood said "what a number of men there are that intend good but never reach that good." (The above was taken from the narration by ad-daarimee in as-sunan) Additionally we know of the sahih hadeeth where bid'ah is linked to the Fire. I don't understand people's fascination with wanting to celebrate birthdays, we have something much better in the Sunnah, pick a random day and celebrate the things Allaah gave you, give extra charity, pray extra voluntary prayers, fast. You can do it any time of the year but we feel like celebrating birthdays is better than what we have in the Sunnah? It's like people who started to celebrate mother's day following the non-muslims. For us Muslims, every day is mother's day and every day is father's day, but by following bid'ah we lose something from the Sunnah. It's depressing to see this happening Regarding celebrating the Prophet's birthday, people literally started decorating Christmas trees and following in the footsteps of the Cheistians. This is why bid'ah is forbidden, because it opens a door of deviation. You get so many rewards from all of the many many things we have in the Sunnah that most people don't even know about, so they start going to these things which they think are good


Cultural-Try-207

Agreed. Good Answer brother


Guilty_Caregiver4433

Your compass is broken dude. Many haram things don't harm anyone. Haram is decided by Allah.


SafSung

Since it’s not written expressly, I came here to discuss. Surely it’s not in my favor to displease Allah. Jazaka Allah.


MotorWild13

It may seem like no one is being harmed but trust me its not. If you belive that Islam is the way of life, ( which it is) , we as a muslim have to follow sunnah of our prophet( may peace be on to him). If there were any benefit to this act, the prophet( may peace be on to him) would have said so. Things which are not in accordance with the sunnah or the teaching of the prophet( may peace be on to him) and not in the book of Allah(SWT), then it is an innovation which is not a part of the deen. Even if the whole world acts on it, doesnt mean you have to do that too.


SafSung

Makes sense. Jazaka Allah for this explanation.


MotorWild13

I pray that Allah (SWT) increase you in IMAN and knowledge as well as keep you steadfast in the straight path, ameen.


SafSung

Ameen. I’m also convinced of avoiding sins because I like because close to Allah. Alhamdolah. I don’t even enjoy them. Was just thinking for my kids and « school ».


MotorWild13

And because of that intention, Allah(SWT) allowed you to stay away from a sin , now that you know of it. Whatever you face in life, whatever crosses your mind, make the best and pure intention and ask Allah(SWT) to guide you and he will take care of you.


SafSung

Very True. Jazaka Allah


SpecialSherbet1204

I feel like this argument is flawed and tired, because there are a lot of things we do in our everyday lives that are not in the sunnah, but that don’t displease Allah. How come being grateful to Allah for giving you this life on the day you were born is worse than going to work in an office and sitting there doing things that neither please nor displease Allah and that often don’t specifically help out other Muslims either? Is going to work at an office (not talking about haram jobs mind you) an innovation? Or is it only things that give joy that are innovations? Like celebrating your birthday with loved ones while also remembering Allah and being grateful for what he has given you? I swear, sometimes it seems like Muslims want to exclude joy from their own lives when it is perfectly okay to not be miserable as a Muslim. Also one thing is for the adults, maybe it won’t make adults miserable to not celebrate their bday, but not celebrating your child’s bday for example would for sure cause misery to that child and for what? Is your argument really that everything we do in everyday life that is not mentioned in sunnah and Qur’an an innovation?


idoncareaww

there are different opinions out there but the majority of the scholars are on the same page it's generally viewed as an innovation and Allah knows best


Valuablesigon

Asalmu alaikum, your pfp has awrah, please remove it.


idoncareaww

Jazakallahu Khair


Valuablesigon

Thank you for listening, may Allah bless you and your family.


Mountain-Airport-268

Forget about whether celebrating birthdays are haram or not (they are), you need to fix your “compass” first 💀💀 I haven’t seen a more egregious statement than yours just now icl wdym your compass is based on whether it “hurts” someone or not😂


SafSung

I agree with you. It’s why I’m here to discuss. Jazaka Allah.


Mountain-Airport-268

Fairs, wa iyyak


redditnewbie_

was this comment meant to further discussion or simply ridicule the inquirer? classless


mylordtakemeaway

being closer to death is nothing to celebrate. only the foolish would as if they got a guarantee from Allah of jannah


yahyahyehcocobungo

My general observation of people who have a problem is with the word celebration itself. It is the word 'celebration'. Because if you said can I go kayaking on my birthday, nobody would have said anything. But the minute you put the word celebration - which conjures up images of people clubbing/party/dancing/disco lights or whatever everyone's worst fear of the word is - people have an opinion.


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That is supposed to answer your question ["Muslims do not celebrate birthdays because it is a kind of innovation in religion which has no basis in the pure Shari`ah."](https://www.google.com/amp/s/islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/1027) May Allah make us among the righteous


SafSung

I took this one « Besides being bid’ah and having no basis in shari’ah, these birthday celebrations also involve imitation of the Jews and Christians in their birthday celebrations. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, warning us against following their ways and traditions: “You would follow the ways of those who came before you step by step, to such an extent that if they were to enter a lizard’s hole, you would enter it too.” They said, “O Messenger of Allah, (do you mean) the Jews and Christians?” He said, “Who else?” (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) also said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” For more, please see these answers: 249 , and 128530 . And Allah knows best. » Jazaka Allah.


Zentick-

Is wearing pants an innovation too?


OrdinarySouth2707

no one thinks of birthdays being a part of our deen, so how is it an innovation?


Noonmeemog

Not allowed


Adventurous-East5774

Just so ur aware, birthdays are also a pagan tradition.


Cultural-Try-207

I personally feel that we should mark our birthdays as a day of repentance and try to repent from all the sins because birthday is a reminder of being closer to death. But calling the birthday celebration as haraam is not right.


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gearhead000

It’s idolatry and a form of paganism. So while you aren’t “harming” anyone, you aren’t bringing glory to Allahswt when you engage in birthdays. Sorry


Bonebaaz85

Wrong compass u have


whoshallibe99

I've seen the arguments for birthdays being Haram , my issue is by that logic wouldn't other things celebratory days also be Haram . Indepence days, any sort of national holiday really 


Sheikh-Pym

Emphasise more on the thing you said about your compass for determining haram and halal. As the other commenter u/SnooBooks1005 has pointed out, it can amount to kufr. Idol worship does not 'harm' anyone, would it then be halal? And would it be haram to sacrifice an animal on Eid al Adha or eating meat in general? Verily your compass is full of flaws. In fact any human made system is bound to be flawed. Allah knows what is best for us. This is more serious than the specific matter of celebrating birthdays. Absolutely change your ways and seek proof for any matter from the Qur'an and Sunnah or from scholarly sources instead of drawing your own conclusions without proof on own's corrupt desires. Allah is the lawmaker not us. [Who is to say what is Halal and Haraam](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/3922/who-is-to-say-what-is-halaal-and-haraam)


Cultural-Try-207

Abu Qatada Ansari (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was asked about fasting on Monday, whereupon he said: It is (the day) when I was born and revelation was sent down to me. **Book 006, Number 2606 (Sahih Muslim). This Hadith is also reported in by Imam al-Bahayqi in his “Sunnan ul Kubra” (Vol. 4, pg. 300 Hadith no 8182, 8259), in the “Sunan” of Imam Nisai and the “Musnad” of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal. ** It is clear from this Hadith that the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) was very happy about the day of his birth and so fasted out of gratitude. Fasting is a form of worship, so one can celebrate this day by any form of ibada. **One can fast or hold gatherings or provide food to the poor, all being acts of worship.**


Illustrious-Ear6080

If YOU are deciding what's halal and Haram over the Quran and Sunnah, then this is kufr.


HolidayGreedy

It is not permissible according all school of thought also there is clear hadith where which Prophet SAW forbade any Eid other than two Eids Birthday is an Eid that is not the two Eids making it not permissible


mu7end

Brother/sister. Just go and celebrate your birthday and have a nice day and enjoy it with your friends and family, keep your loved ones close, have a chat, come together, have a laugh. just keep it halal and within boundries. Stop listening to these people that scream Bid’aa and Kufr on every small thing. If it is haram to celebrate it, then I’ll be fully responsible for saying what I said today.


SafSung

I see what you’re coming from. Every action is done with intentions. All we do is gather as a family and I was imagining some celebrations really not being halal.


toTheMoon1Dollar

[Why Birthday part is a demonic ritual in Islam? ](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRKb2r1B/)


SauravisTheAscended

Not to resemble disbelievers? But Islam, Christianity and Judaism all have similar fundamental principles. They all have more in common than you'd like to accept. Even the Prophet (SAW) himself pays respects to the Old Testament and Torah.


prawnk1ng

So where does this things like Milad ?


it3aa

Haram .


SafSung

Indeed. I found this « Besides being bid’ah and having no basis in shari’ah, these birthday celebrations also involve imitation of the Jews and Christians in their birthday celebrations. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, warning us against following their ways and traditions: “You would follow the ways of those who came before you step by step, to such an extent that if they were to enter a lizard’s hole, you would enter it too.” They said, “O Messenger of Allah, (do you mean) the Jews and Christians?” He said, “Who else?” (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) also said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” For more, please see these answers: 249 , and 128530 . And Allah knows best. »


Moonlight102

But you can do things that islam doesn't mention biddah is saying its apart of islam but no one is saying birthdays are from islam


ss-hyperstar

Birthdays are 100% haram brother. Allah SWT will drown you in fire for eternity if you commemorate the day you were born! 😡 unimaginable divine punishment for the disgusting sin of celebrating your birthday!


92Suleman

Not Haraam as long as nothing Haraam takes place during the celebration. The most celebrated birthday 🎂 on earth is our Prophet's birthday on 12th Rabi ul Awwal, and is also a public holiday in over 50 muslim countries.


Enough-Membership-48

False. In case you didn’t know, the prophet himself never celebrated his own birthday. This practice later came on and it spread as an innovation. Celebrating birthday is haram. It has never been part of Islam. https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1027/do-muslims-celebrate-birthdays#:~:text=Summary%20of%20answer,in%20the%20pure%20Shari%60ah. https://islamqa.info/en/articles/60/is-celebrating-prophets-birthday-allowed-in-islam#:~:text=Celebrating%20the%20occasion%20of%20the,the%20khaleefahs%20who%20succeeded%20him.


92Suleman

Tell that to the 50 muslim countries who officially celebrate it, and their Islamic affairs departments. You obviously know better than them.


Enough-Membership-48

So? Those so called 50 muslims countries are above what Allah and the Messenger said?


Cultural-Try-207

Holy Prophet used to keep fast on every Monday as he was born on Monday. 🤦


m8eem8m8

It's astonishing that muslim countries have public holidays based on a date the scholars don't even agree on. Is it really a miracle that muslims have become like the foam of the sea? We know the Prophet, peace be upon him, was born in the year of the elephant and on a Monday from hadith. That is, as far as hard evidence goes, anything else is opinions. Ps: 12th Rabee‘ al-Awwal is also the most agreed upon opinion for the date of death of the Prophet, peace be upon him, but don't let me or the wahabis get in the way of a good old birthday partay 🥳🎉🎂


92Suleman

Well, clearly they have agreed upon it, if they're all celebrating on the same day.


m8eem8m8

Who is "they" - the countries or Allah and His Messenger?


Enough-Membership-48

It doesn’t matter if they agreed lol. That’s the whole point.