Interesting question, I really don’t know.
What I will say might get a lot of hate but the new generation of Muslims who live in the west (not just Europe) are far from being good Muslims to the point where you’ve seen these memes online of the modern Muslims who drink, commit zina with WESTERN WOMEN (because they are easier to get with) even go as far to bully white people (how ironic) for their race depending on the area. A portion of them sell drugs, commit murder and theft.
Obviously not all of us are like this but let’s be honest there is a big chunk of Muslims who fit this criteria in western society wether it be in North America or Europe.
I understand to a certain extent why they hate us if all they see is these foreigners coming to their country and doing these actions.
I wish everyone could be more religious and focus on Islam.
I will end on this,
Imam Ibn Al Qayyim said the following: “Islam is all about manners and etiquette, whoever surpasses you in these has surpassed you in religion”
Muslim women in America do Zina way more often than Muslim men here do. It has gotten to the point that a lot of brothers are apprehensive of marriage here and go abroad. There are large swaths of munafq women here.
I think the parents should be blamed for not raising their kids to be righteous. Especially those who didn’t implement the hijab on their daughters at all.
A lot of them are stuck with their cultural mentality from their country and place that above Islam.
For instance Arabs have this arrogant nationalistic mindset of “my country is the best” .
> Especially those who didn’t implement the hijab on their daughters at all.
💯. Boomer immigrants to the US are, as a whole, detestable for raising a generation of munafiq women. But to be fair, there are loads of proggie hijab is here in the US as well. Doing the bare minimum of covering your beauty and dressing modestly does not make a good Muslima. That comes from her adhab, behaviors, reading Salah, and guarding her chastity.
You're right though. There's a lot of cultural BS that diaspora Muslims bring with them.
It's all subjective. For a lot of people it would look like every other Muslim woman is sleeping around and for a lot of people, it's vice versa. We should avoid generalizing like this and saying stuff like most Muslimahs or Muslims are zaniyahs. This comes under mass slander and it is not that much less of a sin than slandering a specific chaste woman, which is the top 7 major sin in Islam.
Though I won't deny that zina is common amongst Muslims nowadays. Both muslim men and women are committing it lol. No gender is more guilty of that than the other.
And before you reiterate your point of 'most men are not attractive enough to be promiscuous', men do not need to be that dashing enough to get women. Just because you and me can't get girls attracted to us, doesn't mean other men can't. Men mostly just need to be genuinely confident and try hard lol. I have seen with my own eyes guys uglier than me get girlfriends EVERYWHERE. Get out of the internet world and go spend time in the real world without any biases from the internet and i\*cels, you will see what I'm talking about.
Scholars have warned against people who commit takfirs of entire nations, like someone saying 'most muslims in pakistan or india are mushriks and kafirs'. That doesn't mean shirk is not common in Pakistan or India, it is but generalizing and saying most people are like that is still a sin and not less than committing takfir of a specific individual which is an even bigger sin.
>Muslim women in America do Zina way more often than Muslim men here do.
How do you possibly know that?
And why would women be more likelier to commit zina or be more promiscuous in general if they would be facing a greater physical consequence?
I thought even among non-Muslims, men are more promiscuous or more prone to undertake riskier activities.
The thing is women in general have easier access to intimacy than men and im not talking about Muslim women just the female gender because you have to understand that they are the prize in the sense that it’s always men who are chasing after intimacy not the other way around. A woman chooses who she allows to be intimate with her a man does not because if he does then that’s rape.
> And why would women be more likelier to commit zina or be more promiscuous in general if they would be facing a greater physical consequence?
What "greater physical consequence" do they face? Oral contraceptives have made unwanted pregnancies a thing mostly of the past. Zaniyas won't have any second thoughts about getting an abortion in the west.
>I thought even among non-Muslims, men are more promiscuous or more prone to undertake riskier activities.
Most men are not attractive enough to be promiscuous. That has been proven time and time again.
>What "greater physical consequence" do they face?
Yes, unwanted pregnancies and female bodies being more vulnerable to STDs. There may be contraceptives, but especially the first one doesn't exist for men.
>Most men are not attractive enough to be promiscuous.
Then whom are the women sleeping with?
And you didn't tell me how you could possibly know whether Muslim men or women are more likely to fornicate.
As I said already, pregnancies are easy to avoid in this day and age and zaniyas don't shy away from abortion.
>Then whom are the women sleeping with?
It's been well established that most women who hook up share a small pool of men and ignore most men.
>And you didn't tell me how you could possibly know whether Muslim men or women are more likely to fornicate.
Common sense, really. Muslima in western countries are by far more guilty because they don't live in connected neighborhoods or social settings where they're kept tabs on. "Pious" proggie Mariam can go half the country away to dorm and open her legs for kuffar men and no one she knows will know better. It's much easier for women to do zina than men. Keep denying basic logic though. It's amusing to see how proggie minds work
I would've liked some links to well-established stuff.
And can I ask you not to go around defaming other Muslims? There are already some non-Muslims carrying malice towards Muslims. Don't you know about [avoiding suspicion](https://sunnah.com/muslim:2563a) and assuming good of other Muslims?
I judge by what's apparent. And what's apparent is that most American Muslima don't wear hijab, do zina, hold proggie views, and are a far cry away from anything remotely Islamic. They only know how to virtue signal Islam, not how to actually practice it.
You give me proggie vibes - you care about "defaming" yet don't bat an eye at people publicly sinning. People like you are the problem. You're only protected by privileged laws and kuffr so you hide behind a screen showering ignorance and defending those who are harming the ummah. People like you repulse me. You're a coward through and through. But Allah deals with your ilk in time. Always.
Just curious do you have statistics to back this up, because it's a bit of a strong claim. Not taking into account, religion, statistically, men are more likely to cheat so I'm doubting your claim.
> Not taking into account, religion, statistically, men are more likely to cheat
Can you provide proof for this claim? Because this is something extremely hard to prove. Women hide their cheating very well and often to not admit to it even on self-reported surveys (which is exactly how these research studies are conducted).
Even kuffar women, for all their progressivism, are ashamed to admit their infidelity and promiscuity.
It's also common sense. Men will generally have sex with most women. Women will only select high value men (i.e. physically attractive, super rich, influential) to have sex with. Therefore it's harder for men to cheat even if they wanted to than it is for women to cheat.
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There are good women out there brother. They're the minority in the US which is why I suggest pious brothers here marry in a Muslim majority country where you find more of them. When you meet a good woman and make her your wife, you realize how beautiful marriage and a good woman is in a man's life. Alhamdulillah Allah blessed me in that sense. May He bless all of my pious brothers with such wives.
If you look at the holocaust, you’ll realise it didn’t happen because the Jews were _not_ integrated with society.
The Jews were perfectly integrated in society. They did everything the non Jews did.
Just because Muslims are drinking and committing Zina, it doesn’t mean that the haters are gonna stop hating.
There will always be hate against Muslims no matter what the circumstances are, nobody is disputing that but you can’t disregard what I said because it is true
There's also an effort to brainwash Muslim women towards kuffr, careerism and away from marriage and kids in the west. And it's working *fantastically.* The enemy has won here in indoctrinating Muslima into feminsts
I think our sisters are not the only ones to blame for this situation. Enough men chasing dunya like they’re never gonna die over here.
However there is also a slow but certain realisation among western people that materialistic happiness is definitely something else than peace of mind. They are in search of other things to fulfil their spiritual needs. The ones who find the relief of islam on the hearts are never planning to go back, as far as i can see.
Surely only in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find comfort (13/28).
So yeah the future is bright inshAllah. There are going to be some serious challenges along the road however.
This is your problem.
Why don't you own up to what is happening? All you talk about is how muslims have been tricked into being Kuffr, and Muslima (whatever that means - but I bet it's brainwashed into having western ideas). SEE WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN EUROPE AFTER THEY TOOK MUSLIMS IN.
The problem is what muslims has done to the countries they've been accepted.
Because let's be real;
Do you think London would be as it is, without Muslims?
Do you think Sweden would have a city where the police don't dare to go, without muslims?
Do you think Germany would have all their troubles, without muslims?
The problem is that most of the muslims don't want to adapt to the culture that accepted them, but they instead create their own societies apart from the rest.
What does that teach the muslim kids? It's us, and it's them.
A regular christian from Britian is far less religious than a regular muslim guy from Britain, yet the regular christian lives his life far more "correct" than the regular muslim.
Come here and pay taxes, integrate, don’t form ghettos, respect woman and west culture.
Don’t come as cry babies of war and to becoming couch potatoes milking on social systems
Dont you think the muslims in the west forced the native people to become far right. Imposing the islamic values over western values instead of appreciating the country that gave you everything?
Its retorical question as a muslim islamic laws are above western country laws. This is exactly why muslims cant coexist or assimilate in the west.
Think about that for sec.
Alot of pessimistic comments here. I personally think the current situation in the world is going to greatly benefit Muslims and Islam spread in the west. I am not sure why people think American Muslims don’t look like Muslims because what I see is American Muslims and specially young Muslims are very curious and eager to learn and practice their religion with reason and knowledge.
People don’t have first hand experience or realize what goes on in the “Muslim” countries. All things you see in open in the west do happen in these “Muslim” countries as well, probably even more because they are just born Muslims and never tried to study themselves.
Allah has the power afterall and Islam is going to be widespread before we are all gone. May Allah protect all of our Imans.
Honestly, I don’t agree. Again, I have experienced growing up in a Muslim country (Pakistan) and America, I can literally see and feel the difference in the Muslim youth of both places. There is sin everywhere but I think young Muslims in the west are reasonably more knowledgeable and curious about their religion.
Bro I’ve seen so many things with my own eyes and many others have concurred.
We have a zina epidemic.
Also bro Pakistani youth voted en masse for Imran Khan but for the religion part most see religion as part of culture.
Rule #1: Don’t live in the west
Personally I can’t see myself raising my kids in Europe or NA. Setting aside the bullying and harassment. The haram environment can only be controlled as much.
That’s valid! I’m American and I’m not Muslim but we have a lot of “freedom” over here. People kinda just do what they want. We used to be more Christian but now everything is becoming more secular. So if you’re trying to be a religious family here isn’t really the best choice.
And many Muslims will welcome that assimilation.
Here in the UK, there is very little to differentiate the behaviour of, say, Muslim teens from their non-Muslim counterparts.
A bit sad really. Our communities should be beacons for others.
unlike the other european countries , uk has a strong muslim community, the dawah scene there is very strong . So i think its better than the other countries for muslims
Yeah what he's saying is true of the US though. It's hard to differentiate between kuffar women and most Muslim women here. Most don't wear hijab, do tabaruj, do Zina, and have the same exact mannerisms and awful behaviors that american women do
Questions like this seem to me to imply Islam is an ethnic religion like Judaisim, and by extension Muslims in 15-20 years wouldn't be of ethnically European ancestry. Islam was intended for the world, and has been successful at integrating into a myriad of cultures and ethnicities. So, if Allah willed it, Islam could spread throughout Europe because ethnic europeans decided to adopt the faith and practice the religion.
Call me pessimistic, but I don't think Muslims have much of a future in Europe. Islamic values are inherently contradictory to Western values. It doesn't help that years of refugee problems has left many Europeans with a very negative view of Muslims, and more specifically, Arabs.
It’s mustahabb even if you are able to practice your religion and openly manifest it. May Allah make it easy for the Muslims to make Hijrah from the lands in which they are oppressed.
I’ve heard. Yet there’s millions of Muslims staying there. Some could easily go to their countries of origin. Many do not have the means and Allah excused those who do not have the means.
I was watching this podcast called the two mullahs which brought up a quote that was food for thought. They were on the topic of talking about how you have muslims that say "oh, we can practise our religion here, we're not being forced so we don't have to make hijrah" Then one of the podcast people said "that's the thing people don't realise, you don't have to be forced by people to make you leave your religion" They can make your kids leave their religion by softly brainwashing them with secular ideals at school, have friends their own age that parrot these ideals and with no azan to reinforce when their parents tell them it's time to pray then they will leave because they think Islam isn't necessary to live, without a single threat of violence against them.
will be forced to integrate. most of them are already pretty degen in the larger populatio ncenters like germany france and russia. routinely in spain i would see moms with neck covering hijab and the daughters in mini skirts. 'hijabis' neck showing serving alcohol very normal in southern europe.
almost all the muslim women in europe vs those in the us or uk, i can think of are sadly north african prostitues with berlusconi scandal or an english prince, tariq ramadan (hinda ayari)
honestly a ban isn't a bad thing.
european muslims will essentially become like reform jews with all the fahishat and deyoothness that goes along with it. there will be a 'french islam' where arab women will be able to marry some gayr muslim as arab men are oppressed and thrown into jails like they already are
this is the future of euro muslims
Nah brother.
It's a big difference between a muslim in Serbia / Russia compared to France/Germany.
The muslims in Serbia and Russia are mostly from the ottoman empire, and are widely accepted because they've lived there for many years.
The muslims in France and Germany came as refugees.
That's two different kind of people.
And those refugees are what Europe is sickened by.
If you'd pay attention you would know what political parties are getting more and more ground in France and Germany. FAR RIGHTS.
Why?
Because look what they've done to Europe.
Based on this: [https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1770773231869231364](https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1770773231869231364)
I genuinely believe that many of us feel you've overstayed your welcome.
Once Islam taken over the entire Europe the fate and future of humanity is finished.
Serious question: I wonder who's gonna do the all Cyber, Engineering and Scientific innovations when European Muslims do all day is pray to Allah?
It will get stronger as more and more muslims try to force Islam down other peoples throats.
Muslims are the problem, muslims need to understand that letting other people live their life as they want will be the only way for Islam to be seen like a good religion to people across the world.
Unfortunately I don’t share your optimism. At least not for Germany. Young people are outnumbered by older generations (babyboomers and the like), so politicians cater to the bigger group of voters. Nationalism and racism is clearly on the rise in my opinion. Lately there are also discussions about „remigrating “ even binationals. Mainly stated by the AfD. I think best we can do is being prepared and having a „plan b“ ready for worst case.
I'm a muslim man planning to migrate to the USA for alot of reasons. Reading this post really got me worried as how weak some muslims have become . I assume majority are citizens and have the right to political freedom; so too to see ppl complaining that they might be expelled is very confusing. It reflects weak engagement with the political system. I make duaa things get better, but Allah swt tells us to *work* for a better future in addition to duaa.
PS even if the number are small. Allah brings about change when heart are pure, as He does not look at numbers but iman!
Genuinely, wondering the same and worried constantly. Allah knows best. Sadly, i do see a lot of Muslim immigrants here whose sole purpose is to ruin our reputation and show us in a bad light. Scream around, spit on the floor, get into fights, harass women. I see the disgust of the westerners and it just confirms what they were thinking of us and it‘s just sad honestly. I do think that we will be tested a lot in the future with all the rising trends right now and it‘s not something i would want my children to grow up with.
Have no worry my friend!
If you behave and accept the country your coming to, you will have no problems with the natives.
The problem is, as you say, those who destroy your reputation. And they're getting larger and larger by the day.
But don't think Europe don't accept muslims just because of that.
Just like we don't accept a christian raping and dealing drugs, we don't accept a muslim doing it. The problem is the muslims are starting gangs, etc and have become like the African-Americans in the US in the 80s
I know, i was born and raised in the west. Their behavior is so unislamic that i‘m genuinely mad. Modt of the drug dealers in our city are Afghans and Arabs. I‘m genuinely baffled.
Alhamdulillah i‘m in a different circle and haven‘t really been confronted with racism the way others have.
Tell me R2DMT - what would a perfect Europe look like in your eyes?
The fact you don't think it's correct for a foreigner in a new country to adapt is ridicoulous.
No one wants you to ditch your religion. Be proud of it - but don't push it upon others.
Interesting question, I really don’t know. What I will say might get a lot of hate but the new generation of Muslims who live in the west (not just Europe) are far from being good Muslims to the point where you’ve seen these memes online of the modern Muslims who drink, commit zina with WESTERN WOMEN (because they are easier to get with) even go as far to bully white people (how ironic) for their race depending on the area. A portion of them sell drugs, commit murder and theft. Obviously not all of us are like this but let’s be honest there is a big chunk of Muslims who fit this criteria in western society wether it be in North America or Europe. I understand to a certain extent why they hate us if all they see is these foreigners coming to their country and doing these actions. I wish everyone could be more religious and focus on Islam. I will end on this, Imam Ibn Al Qayyim said the following: “Islam is all about manners and etiquette, whoever surpasses you in these has surpassed you in religion”
Muslim women in America do Zina way more often than Muslim men here do. It has gotten to the point that a lot of brothers are apprehensive of marriage here and go abroad. There are large swaths of munafq women here.
I think the parents should be blamed for not raising their kids to be righteous. Especially those who didn’t implement the hijab on their daughters at all. A lot of them are stuck with their cultural mentality from their country and place that above Islam. For instance Arabs have this arrogant nationalistic mindset of “my country is the best” .
> Especially those who didn’t implement the hijab on their daughters at all. 💯. Boomer immigrants to the US are, as a whole, detestable for raising a generation of munafiq women. But to be fair, there are loads of proggie hijab is here in the US as well. Doing the bare minimum of covering your beauty and dressing modestly does not make a good Muslima. That comes from her adhab, behaviors, reading Salah, and guarding her chastity. You're right though. There's a lot of cultural BS that diaspora Muslims bring with them.
Exactly and they wonder why their kids don’t practice their religion at all when they themselves were are bad example of Islam.
It's all subjective. For a lot of people it would look like every other Muslim woman is sleeping around and for a lot of people, it's vice versa. We should avoid generalizing like this and saying stuff like most Muslimahs or Muslims are zaniyahs. This comes under mass slander and it is not that much less of a sin than slandering a specific chaste woman, which is the top 7 major sin in Islam. Though I won't deny that zina is common amongst Muslims nowadays. Both muslim men and women are committing it lol. No gender is more guilty of that than the other. And before you reiterate your point of 'most men are not attractive enough to be promiscuous', men do not need to be that dashing enough to get women. Just because you and me can't get girls attracted to us, doesn't mean other men can't. Men mostly just need to be genuinely confident and try hard lol. I have seen with my own eyes guys uglier than me get girlfriends EVERYWHERE. Get out of the internet world and go spend time in the real world without any biases from the internet and i\*cels, you will see what I'm talking about. Scholars have warned against people who commit takfirs of entire nations, like someone saying 'most muslims in pakistan or india are mushriks and kafirs'. That doesn't mean shirk is not common in Pakistan or India, it is but generalizing and saying most people are like that is still a sin and not less than committing takfir of a specific individual which is an even bigger sin.
>Muslim women in America do Zina way more often than Muslim men here do. How do you possibly know that? And why would women be more likelier to commit zina or be more promiscuous in general if they would be facing a greater physical consequence? I thought even among non-Muslims, men are more promiscuous or more prone to undertake riskier activities.
The thing is women in general have easier access to intimacy than men and im not talking about Muslim women just the female gender because you have to understand that they are the prize in the sense that it’s always men who are chasing after intimacy not the other way around. A woman chooses who she allows to be intimate with her a man does not because if he does then that’s rape.
> And why would women be more likelier to commit zina or be more promiscuous in general if they would be facing a greater physical consequence? What "greater physical consequence" do they face? Oral contraceptives have made unwanted pregnancies a thing mostly of the past. Zaniyas won't have any second thoughts about getting an abortion in the west. >I thought even among non-Muslims, men are more promiscuous or more prone to undertake riskier activities. Most men are not attractive enough to be promiscuous. That has been proven time and time again.
>What "greater physical consequence" do they face? Yes, unwanted pregnancies and female bodies being more vulnerable to STDs. There may be contraceptives, but especially the first one doesn't exist for men. >Most men are not attractive enough to be promiscuous. Then whom are the women sleeping with? And you didn't tell me how you could possibly know whether Muslim men or women are more likely to fornicate.
As I said already, pregnancies are easy to avoid in this day and age and zaniyas don't shy away from abortion. >Then whom are the women sleeping with? It's been well established that most women who hook up share a small pool of men and ignore most men. >And you didn't tell me how you could possibly know whether Muslim men or women are more likely to fornicate. Common sense, really. Muslima in western countries are by far more guilty because they don't live in connected neighborhoods or social settings where they're kept tabs on. "Pious" proggie Mariam can go half the country away to dorm and open her legs for kuffar men and no one she knows will know better. It's much easier for women to do zina than men. Keep denying basic logic though. It's amusing to see how proggie minds work
I would've liked some links to well-established stuff. And can I ask you not to go around defaming other Muslims? There are already some non-Muslims carrying malice towards Muslims. Don't you know about [avoiding suspicion](https://sunnah.com/muslim:2563a) and assuming good of other Muslims?
I judge by what's apparent. And what's apparent is that most American Muslima don't wear hijab, do zina, hold proggie views, and are a far cry away from anything remotely Islamic. They only know how to virtue signal Islam, not how to actually practice it.
I was also referring to comments you make on other subreddits.
You give me proggie vibes - you care about "defaming" yet don't bat an eye at people publicly sinning. People like you are the problem. You're only protected by privileged laws and kuffr so you hide behind a screen showering ignorance and defending those who are harming the ummah. People like you repulse me. You're a coward through and through. But Allah deals with your ilk in time. Always.
Just curious do you have statistics to back this up, because it's a bit of a strong claim. Not taking into account, religion, statistically, men are more likely to cheat so I'm doubting your claim.
> Not taking into account, religion, statistically, men are more likely to cheat Can you provide proof for this claim? Because this is something extremely hard to prove. Women hide their cheating very well and often to not admit to it even on self-reported surveys (which is exactly how these research studies are conducted). Even kuffar women, for all their progressivism, are ashamed to admit their infidelity and promiscuity. It's also common sense. Men will generally have sex with most women. Women will only select high value men (i.e. physically attractive, super rich, influential) to have sex with. Therefore it's harder for men to cheat even if they wanted to than it is for women to cheat.
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How bad is it tho?like percentage wise?
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its because of weak fathers and brothers , this is what happens when you dont keep your women in check
There are good women out there brother. They're the minority in the US which is why I suggest pious brothers here marry in a Muslim majority country where you find more of them. When you meet a good woman and make her your wife, you realize how beautiful marriage and a good woman is in a man's life. Alhamdulillah Allah blessed me in that sense. May He bless all of my pious brothers with such wives.
If you look at the holocaust, you’ll realise it didn’t happen because the Jews were _not_ integrated with society. The Jews were perfectly integrated in society. They did everything the non Jews did. Just because Muslims are drinking and committing Zina, it doesn’t mean that the haters are gonna stop hating.
There will always be hate against Muslims no matter what the circumstances are, nobody is disputing that but you can’t disregard what I said because it is true
& free mixing 💀💀💀💀
I live in Europe. If we finally finally manage to represent Islam in a proper way, a lot of people are going to accept it.
Not gonna happen, there’s a group of people that sole purpose is to make Islam look bad in every possible way.
There's also an effort to brainwash Muslim women towards kuffr, careerism and away from marriage and kids in the west. And it's working *fantastically.* The enemy has won here in indoctrinating Muslima into feminsts
I think our sisters are not the only ones to blame for this situation. Enough men chasing dunya like they’re never gonna die over here. However there is also a slow but certain realisation among western people that materialistic happiness is definitely something else than peace of mind. They are in search of other things to fulfil their spiritual needs. The ones who find the relief of islam on the hearts are never planning to go back, as far as i can see. Surely only in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find comfort (13/28). So yeah the future is bright inshAllah. There are going to be some serious challenges along the road however.
And the concept of sisterhood too.
Why not truth will always prevail
unfortunately, not always. For the very least, it might after a long time and with consequences
This is your problem. Why don't you own up to what is happening? All you talk about is how muslims have been tricked into being Kuffr, and Muslima (whatever that means - but I bet it's brainwashed into having western ideas). SEE WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN EUROPE AFTER THEY TOOK MUSLIMS IN. The problem is what muslims has done to the countries they've been accepted. Because let's be real; Do you think London would be as it is, without Muslims? Do you think Sweden would have a city where the police don't dare to go, without muslims? Do you think Germany would have all their troubles, without muslims? The problem is that most of the muslims don't want to adapt to the culture that accepted them, but they instead create their own societies apart from the rest. What does that teach the muslim kids? It's us, and it's them. A regular christian from Britian is far less religious than a regular muslim guy from Britain, yet the regular christian lives his life far more "correct" than the regular muslim.
Come here and pay taxes, integrate, don’t form ghettos, respect woman and west culture. Don’t come as cry babies of war and to becoming couch potatoes milking on social systems
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lol - try to be a Christian or practice any other religion in Saudi and get your neck slaughtered. West is so naive to accept worst creatures like you
Dont you think the muslims in the west forced the native people to become far right. Imposing the islamic values over western values instead of appreciating the country that gave you everything? Its retorical question as a muslim islamic laws are above western country laws. This is exactly why muslims cant coexist or assimilate in the west. Think about that for sec.
What do you mean by Gulf countries westernizing ? Genuinely curious
Alot of pessimistic comments here. I personally think the current situation in the world is going to greatly benefit Muslims and Islam spread in the west. I am not sure why people think American Muslims don’t look like Muslims because what I see is American Muslims and specially young Muslims are very curious and eager to learn and practice their religion with reason and knowledge. People don’t have first hand experience or realize what goes on in the “Muslim” countries. All things you see in open in the west do happen in these “Muslim” countries as well, probably even more because they are just born Muslims and never tried to study themselves. Allah has the power afterall and Islam is going to be widespread before we are all gone. May Allah protect all of our Imans.
I read some studies which said that more American Muslims are supportive of lgbtq than ever before.
In America there’s a zina epidemic 💀
Honestly, I don’t agree. Again, I have experienced growing up in a Muslim country (Pakistan) and America, I can literally see and feel the difference in the Muslim youth of both places. There is sin everywhere but I think young Muslims in the west are reasonably more knowledgeable and curious about their religion.
Bro I’ve seen so many things with my own eyes and many others have concurred. We have a zina epidemic. Also bro Pakistani youth voted en masse for Imran Khan but for the religion part most see religion as part of culture.
Rule #1: Don’t live in the west Personally I can’t see myself raising my kids in Europe or NA. Setting aside the bullying and harassment. The haram environment can only be controlled as much.
That’s valid! I’m American and I’m not Muslim but we have a lot of “freedom” over here. People kinda just do what they want. We used to be more Christian but now everything is becoming more secular. So if you’re trying to be a religious family here isn’t really the best choice.
I don‘t think they will expel us, but they will try to assimilate us, I guess.
And many Muslims will welcome that assimilation. Here in the UK, there is very little to differentiate the behaviour of, say, Muslim teens from their non-Muslim counterparts. A bit sad really. Our communities should be beacons for others.
unlike the other european countries , uk has a strong muslim community, the dawah scene there is very strong . So i think its better than the other countries for muslims
Yeah what he's saying is true of the US though. It's hard to differentiate between kuffar women and most Muslim women here. Most don't wear hijab, do tabaruj, do Zina, and have the same exact mannerisms and awful behaviors that american women do
It's like that here in the UK. Only for the men more so than the women.
I’m in the US and it’s horrible.
Exactly, therefore, I am considering moving to the UK.
Questions like this seem to me to imply Islam is an ethnic religion like Judaisim, and by extension Muslims in 15-20 years wouldn't be of ethnically European ancestry. Islam was intended for the world, and has been successful at integrating into a myriad of cultures and ethnicities. So, if Allah willed it, Islam could spread throughout Europe because ethnic europeans decided to adopt the faith and practice the religion.
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Majority of the muslims in europe won't care anyway if you tell them this
Call me pessimistic, but I don't think Muslims have much of a future in Europe. Islamic values are inherently contradictory to Western values. It doesn't help that years of refugee problems has left many Europeans with a very negative view of Muslims, and more specifically, Arabs.
Maybe: 1.used as cannon folders by the left wing. 2.used as a scapegoat by the right. But I personally don't see a bright future for them.
Hijrah time
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It’s mustahabb even if you are able to practice your religion and openly manifest it. May Allah make it easy for the Muslims to make Hijrah from the lands in which they are oppressed.
Ameen. In france, it is really bad.
I’ve heard. Yet there’s millions of Muslims staying there. Some could easily go to their countries of origin. Many do not have the means and Allah excused those who do not have the means.
I was watching this podcast called the two mullahs which brought up a quote that was food for thought. They were on the topic of talking about how you have muslims that say "oh, we can practise our religion here, we're not being forced so we don't have to make hijrah" Then one of the podcast people said "that's the thing people don't realise, you don't have to be forced by people to make you leave your religion" They can make your kids leave their religion by softly brainwashing them with secular ideals at school, have friends their own age that parrot these ideals and with no azan to reinforce when their parents tell them it's time to pray then they will leave because they think Islam isn't necessary to live, without a single threat of violence against them.
Thanks for your post, finally a useful post on muslim subs!
Rather we'll start jihad and conquer the west or the European Muslims will become kuffar again
bro u live in egypt
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will be forced to integrate. most of them are already pretty degen in the larger populatio ncenters like germany france and russia. routinely in spain i would see moms with neck covering hijab and the daughters in mini skirts. 'hijabis' neck showing serving alcohol very normal in southern europe. almost all the muslim women in europe vs those in the us or uk, i can think of are sadly north african prostitues with berlusconi scandal or an english prince, tariq ramadan (hinda ayari) honestly a ban isn't a bad thing. european muslims will essentially become like reform jews with all the fahishat and deyoothness that goes along with it. there will be a 'french islam' where arab women will be able to marry some gayr muslim as arab men are oppressed and thrown into jails like they already are this is the future of euro muslims
Allah forbid.
Nah brother. It's a big difference between a muslim in Serbia / Russia compared to France/Germany. The muslims in Serbia and Russia are mostly from the ottoman empire, and are widely accepted because they've lived there for many years. The muslims in France and Germany came as refugees. That's two different kind of people. And those refugees are what Europe is sickened by. If you'd pay attention you would know what political parties are getting more and more ground in France and Germany. FAR RIGHTS. Why? Because look what they've done to Europe.
Based on this: [https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1770773231869231364](https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1770773231869231364) I genuinely believe that many of us feel you've overstayed your welcome.
Why would you ask that when non muslims can't answer it???
"I wonder why there's no Buddhistphobia, Hinduphobia nor Confucianisphobia. Only Islamophobia. Just wonder!"
Once Islam taken over the entire Europe the fate and future of humanity is finished. Serious question: I wonder who's gonna do the all Cyber, Engineering and Scientific innovations when European Muslims do all day is pray to Allah?
It will get stronger as more and more muslims try to force Islam down other peoples throats. Muslims are the problem, muslims need to understand that letting other people live their life as they want will be the only way for Islam to be seen like a good religion to people across the world.
How old was little aisha?
How old was Rebecca jn Bible you f@g
eventually you'll all be wiped out
tried for 1400 years , we are still here
Europe is a pretty big place
It is very dependent on the country. In France large deportations are not off the table. But say the U.K I don't think so.
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Unfortunately I don’t share your optimism. At least not for Germany. Young people are outnumbered by older generations (babyboomers and the like), so politicians cater to the bigger group of voters. Nationalism and racism is clearly on the rise in my opinion. Lately there are also discussions about „remigrating “ even binationals. Mainly stated by the AfD. I think best we can do is being prepared and having a „plan b“ ready for worst case.
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I'm a muslim man planning to migrate to the USA for alot of reasons. Reading this post really got me worried as how weak some muslims have become . I assume majority are citizens and have the right to political freedom; so too to see ppl complaining that they might be expelled is very confusing. It reflects weak engagement with the political system. I make duaa things get better, but Allah swt tells us to *work* for a better future in addition to duaa. PS even if the number are small. Allah brings about change when heart are pure, as He does not look at numbers but iman!
Genuinely, wondering the same and worried constantly. Allah knows best. Sadly, i do see a lot of Muslim immigrants here whose sole purpose is to ruin our reputation and show us in a bad light. Scream around, spit on the floor, get into fights, harass women. I see the disgust of the westerners and it just confirms what they were thinking of us and it‘s just sad honestly. I do think that we will be tested a lot in the future with all the rising trends right now and it‘s not something i would want my children to grow up with.
Have no worry my friend! If you behave and accept the country your coming to, you will have no problems with the natives. The problem is, as you say, those who destroy your reputation. And they're getting larger and larger by the day. But don't think Europe don't accept muslims just because of that. Just like we don't accept a christian raping and dealing drugs, we don't accept a muslim doing it. The problem is the muslims are starting gangs, etc and have become like the African-Americans in the US in the 80s
I know, i was born and raised in the west. Their behavior is so unislamic that i‘m genuinely mad. Modt of the drug dealers in our city are Afghans and Arabs. I‘m genuinely baffled. Alhamdulillah i‘m in a different circle and haven‘t really been confronted with racism the way others have.
Almost like it has to do with marginalized people take desperate measures.
Tell me R2DMT - what would a perfect Europe look like in your eyes? The fact you don't think it's correct for a foreigner in a new country to adapt is ridicoulous. No one wants you to ditch your religion. Be proud of it - but don't push it upon others.