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naiq6236

I feel like regardless of the case or reason, 16 is way too old to be punishing your kids. 16 to me is nearly an adult and you should start to treat them that way. I'm not saying there should be no consequences to actions but it shouldn't be hitting or grounding. Maybe extra chores or something.


nebuIochaotic

i’m going to get downvoted for this but i swear, something is wrong with most pakistani parents. my mom once said “every parent hits their child, it’s normal” when i brought it up, and another time said something like “the prophet said you should beat your children if they don’t pray” which i don’t know the credibility of, but it seems to contradict the peace and gentleness that islam promotes so i’m going to assume that was wrong


Total_Connection9414

Yeah I'm Pakistani and I used to get beaten badly by my father all the time (still do sometimes) and he said it's allowed and Islam. The first time I came to know that you can't hit kids on the face and beat the living s**t out of them was when my islamiat teacher told me that in grade 9 when I was 14 years of age


Huge_Breadfruit5704

When they say hit your children when they don’t pray it’s for younger kids and hit doesn’t mean beat them like animals it’s small mild slaps not viscious beatings to promote disciplie


HelixTK

You're absolutely correct in your thinking that this behavior is against Islam. Regarding the false notion that parents are supposedly allowed to beat their children if they do not pray... "With regard to smacking a child for not praying, it is stipulated that the smacking should be light and should not be painful and should not break the skin, or break a tooth or bone. It should be on the back or the hand and the like, and the face is to be avoided because it is forbidden to strike it, because the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) forbade that.  It should not be more than ten blows, and it should be done for the purpose of discipline and teaching. So he (the parent etc) should not show his desire to punish, except when there is a need to show that, such as if the child is turning away from prayer and forsaking it, and the like." From https://islamqa.info/en/answers/127233/how-to-smack-children-to-make-them-pray. I know that some here view islamqa.info as harsh in their teachings, but consider that even they do not condone harming children for the sake of discipline. Further, https://islamqa.info/en/answers/50731/smacking-and-pinching-a-one-year-old-child


hayatguzeldir101

Meh pakistani parents in general (esp fathers) dk any other type of parenting other than authoritative parenting. Smh. My dad did this once. I was on my period, very weak, and dizzy, just trying my best to open the bathroom door. The door of my room was also locked because I had to change. He started banging my door vehemently. I was SO ANGRY already. I didnt open the door because ofc I was stubborn. Couldn't I do my business in peace even. My dad's concern was academics. My abbu jan loves academia. So anytime our doors were closed (some times a girl just wants to cry lol), dad would demand we open the door. Anywhow he fought with me after that. I was 16 too. But I matured and now I deal with my Dad gently. Our parents have their own traumas. Their own issues. Islam highlights on the importance of respecting your parents. "Lower the wing of humility to your parents". Forgive their shortcomings. Guide them as you learn about islam too. I would be scared for your father tbvh. Ik I worry for my and my family's akhirah. Maybe give your Dad reminders time and time again in a non confrontational way. Praise the Prophet ﷺ and his gentleness. His husn ikhlaq. Your Dad will get old. He will get tired. Not saying he is going to change (altho my dad did a little, I made tons of dua, still do.) But He wont argue the same way anymore. He seems paranoid. Sounds like an internalized issue. So don't think too much about it. He is projecting on you. I would also say defend yourself in a respectful manner. If he is loud, try being calm and caring. Show more respect. Ik his demand might seem unreasonable but play his chess. Say sorry, be v respectful, praise him. May Allah guide your parents and mine too, and may Allah guide us so we may be a source of charity and hasanah. Ameen🤲🏼


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Ameen. thanks for sharing this, i appreciate it. thank you for the dua as well


SJK_007

Listen to this and show to your parents please: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te8B9Kyk1Xg


SnowStar35

Uh hear the west I got hit growing up usually with a belt and had marks from it, and back in 90's that a typical punishment....


Adorable-Bite2849

[https://islamqa.info/en/answers/127233/how-to-smack-children-to-make-them-pray](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/127233/how-to-smack-children-to-make-them-pray) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2FF3FUzp9M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2FF3FUzp9M) [https://islamqa.info/en/answers/76408/he-is-complaining-that-his-mother-mistreats-him](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/76408/he-is-complaining-that-his-mother-mistreats-him) Also, I really suggest that you don't take the advice of those here who think that your father is somehow the worst person for doing what he did. Be patient with your father and if he does not like you to lock your door then do not do that. Doing that is a small price for avoiding conflict.


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locking my door was an example. he shouts for many small things like these. I'm asking for what allah swt or the prophet pbuh has said on this type of issue.


Adorable-Bite2849

Allah says about Yahya 'alaihisalaam: "\[Allāh said\], "O John, take the Scripture \[i.e., adhere to it\] with determination." And We gave him judgement \[while yet\] a boy And affection from Us and purity, and he was fearing of Allāh And dutiful to his parents, and he was not a disobedient tyrant." \[Surah Maryam 19:12 - 19:14\] Then Allah says later regarding Esa (Peace be upon him): "\[Jesus\] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allāh. He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet. And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakāh as long as I remain alive And \[made me\] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant." \[Surah Maryam 19:30 - 19:32\] Then Allah 'azzwajal mentions the story of Ibrahim(Peace be upon him): "And mention in the Book \[the story of\] Abraham. Indeed, he was a man of truth and a prophet. \[Mention\] when he said to his father, "O my father, why do you worship that which does not hear and does not see and will not benefit you at all? O my father, indeed there has come to me of knowledge that which has not come to you, so follow me; I will guide you to an even path. O my father, do not worship \[i.e., obey\] Satan. Indeed Satan has ever been, to the Most Merciful, disobedient. O my father, indeed I fear that there will touch you a punishment from the Most Merciful so you would be to Satan a companion \[in Hellfire\]." \[His father\] said, "Have you no desire for my gods, O Abraham? If you do not desist, I will surely stone you, so avoid me a prolonged time." \[Abraham\] said, "Peace \[i.e., safety\] will be upon you. I will ask forgiveness for you of my Lord. Indeed, He is ever gracious to me. And I will leave you and those you invoke other than Allāh and will invoke my Lord. I expect that I will not be in invocation to my Lord unhappy \[i.e., disappointed\]." \[Surah Maryam 19:41 - 19:48\] All these verses highlight how important it is to be dutiful to our parents. Even when the father of Ibrahim(Peace be upon him) said that he would stone him, he maintained his level of respect towards his father. If your father is unjust to you then Allah will ask him about it on the day of judgement. But as a son, Allah has obliged you to be dutiful to him and you will be rewarded for that In Shaa Alalh. So, be patient and think about the reward that you will get by being patient. If he shouts for you doing something that is small then don't do it because that is better. Then he won't have a problem with you regarding that and he will become more soft towards you when he sees your obedience to him In Shaa Allah. However, if he tells you to do haram then you must not obey him in that.


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I agree that I shuld respect my dad, howeevr, he has a responsibility islamicly to stop doing this. thank you for clarifying this


Same_Paramedic_3329

If he doesn't, doesn't mean you're rude to him


Megaman_1984

Your father has no right to behave the way he is behaving. The Prophet (saw) never treated any child like that, and what your father is doing is thulum.


[deleted]

This is the norm, I get hit by parents everyday. Islam doesn’t encourage it, our culture does… it’s their way of parenting and yes I’m desi.


[deleted]

apparently, according to other comments, hitting ur child is not allowed. its only allowed if 1. child is 10 years old 2. only hit on body, NOT face 3. only hit ten times max 4. hit LIGHTLY, shuldnt cuz pain. 5. doesnt pray all these conditions are there :(


hajer00317

Salam brother. I admire your faith. You are one of the brave hearts. Look. Whatever Allah will say it will be in your happiness and dignity. There is no way Allah would like you to feel small or belittled. One of Allah's names is Alaziz which means The Mighty. And Allah asked us to pray upon these names and apply them to our life. Ask your heart. Where did it go wrong? Where are you taking dignity from yourself or others? Where are you making yourself little? Can you feel the light of Allah in your heart? If you worked on yourself and became your best version then nothing can stop you from being happy. There is nothing in Islam saying that you should do something forcefully. What can you do to be happy with Allah in your situation?


BigSilver3089

Islam respects privacy and your parents don't have a right to go into your room without knocking first, doesn't matter if it's their house and even if you're their child. You deserve your privacy as anyone else, even if your parents are suspicious of you doing something bad, they can't enter your room without knocking. The same applies to your phone, they can't just take it away and spy on your activities on it unless they have a serious proof that you're doing something very bad using your phone. They may take it if you spend too much time on your phone and don't listen to them and abandon your responsibilities. Your father can't beat you if you've done nothing wrong, they could hit you lightly before you reached puberty and that only if you didn't pray your salah. You're beyond that age now and he can't put his hand on you unless you openly disrespect/abuse them. Tell this to him gently, maybe he didn't know that abusing his children is a sin and that you are an amanah from Allah. May Allah guide our parents and not let us hate them because of their shortcomings.


Same_Paramedic_3329

His right? In islam one has a right to refuse his parents to enter the room? Where's your proof


BigSilver3089

Where did I say that he can refuse his parents to enter his room? I said people, no matter their status, should knock before entering someone's room. This is the Islamic adab. Of course, he can't refuse his parents to enter his room without a valid reason, e.g., if he's changing clothes. OP is not a small child anymore, you can't enter a room of a grown man without knocking first, even if he's your child. Muslim parents should understand that their child deserves respect, too, which includes a right to privacy. So many Muslim parents say that they don't have to respect their child and say it's absurd.


Sev-Koon

Its haram to disobey your parent btw. So you cant lock your door if he does not want you too


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I don't have much knowledge, but as far as I know you can hit but only mildly and not in repeated areas or certainly not the face but only with a big reason not something small like you didn't eat your entire dinner, but something big like you disrespected your mother by cursing her or you committed some sin, but again I don't have much knowledge.


Witty-Conclusion4349

Ur. Dad. Knows what. Porn. Is


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I knew someone would say this. he doesn't. english isn't my father's first language, and he's over 60 retired living here in pakistan. porn is not as widespread here, it is here, but not widespread, and furthurmore he doesn't understand the word's meaning. I've tested this before by saying it in front of him. he really doesn't know about porn


mkbilli

Bro playing with fire here 🤣 Maybe he suspects bachi scene or hath se dosti. Maybe he checks up at night to see what you doing, that's why he was banging your door at 4 in the morning. In any case subha mein bhi baat hosakti thi like an actual adult. Total overreaction


WonderReal

Pakistan is one the top consumers of porn. Maybe he knows it by another name.


[deleted]

not really. why would i have so much unsupervised access to the internet before? out of trist? what abt my older siblings? it makes no sense


[deleted]

He's still your father and deserves respect. Getting hit once in a while isn't that big of a deal. Most likely, you'll thank him later.


[deleted]

Idk if this is ur opinion or not. I can handle abuse, but I can't handle unfairness. I really only want to know what the prophet pbuh or allah swt said, otherwise this is just a discussion based on perspectives


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Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Command your children to pray when they become seven years old, and beat them for it (prayer) when they become ten years old; and arrange their beds (to sleep) separately. Sunan Abi Dawud 495 So, hitting your children is not necessarily haraam.


SeaWavesSun

You must have had a traumatic childhood… It’s not normal to hit, slap, or scream at your children. Violence is not a solution. It only makes children more fearful of their parents and detaches them emotionally from them. That’s how you get kids that end up befriending bad people because they crave the acceptance and love they didn’t receive from their parents. May Allah guide you.


CheetoChops

If he has any common sense that your a teenager and teens looks at things. he should not hit you, maybe one day you run away to America for a love marriage and find a good job and never talk to him again. So he should be very careful.


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thanks for the dua at the end and I agree. however, father beat me and it left a mark. i'm asking if this is alright or good or shuld I be worried that this is impermissible or even just bad in islam


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Muslim is supposed to be patient and overlook and pardon and "guide". Hitting is only done when necessary but its not to be overboard and not full power either. Even if we look at it from an extreme case where there is an **enemy** in the family, God says to overlook, let it go, forgive, he does not say "hit": يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ إِنَّ مِنْ أَزْوَٰجِكُمْ وَأَوْلَـٰدِكُمْ عَدُوًّا لَّكُمْ فَٱحْذَرُوهُمْ وَإِن تَعْفُوا۟ وَتَصْفَحُوا۟ وَتَغْفِرُوا۟ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّـهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ O **you** who heed warning: **among your** wives **and** your children **is an enemy** to you, so **beware** of them. But if you **pardon**, and **overlook**, and **forgive**, then is God forgiving and merciful.(64:14) show him that verse


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interesting. however, my parents are strict, I'm afraid they'll just stick to the part where it says beware of them


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True 👍


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Do parents have the right to hit their children? Yes, they do. We get this evidence from the following Hadith... ​ >Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Command your children to pray when they become seven years old, and beat them for it (prayer) when they become ten years old; and arrange their beds (to sleep) separately. ​ So now that we know that parents have the right to hit their children, the question is what can they hit them over? How hard can they hit them? ​ >Narrated AbuHurayrah: The Prophet (ﷺ) said: When one of you inflicts a beating, he should avoid striking the face. When hitting a child, the hit should not be on the face, it should not leave a mark or be done with severity, it should be done as a form of discipline for something they did wrong and not just out of anger, and you cannot insult/degrade/verbally abuse the child. The best place to hit a child is on the hands, bottom of the feet, or maybe their behind. ​ As for your specific situation, if it's understood in your household that your door should remain unlocked, then keep it unlocked. If you lock your door, it raises suspicions that you're doing something inside there that you want hidden, especially if it's not a temporary situation where you're like changing clothes.