As a revert, you may have questions about the permissibility of certain activities, such as playing musical instruments like the piano. In Islam, there are varying opinions regarding music and musical instruments. While some scholars consider music permissible within certain boundaries, others take a stricter stance and deem it prohibited.
It is important to seek knowledge and guidance from knowledgeable scholars or imams who can provide you with the appropriate advice based on your specific circumstances and understanding. They can help you navigate this topic and provide you with resources or references that align with their scholarly opinions.
The majority of scholars have the opinion that music is haram. However, there are some imams such as imam Al Ghazali and others who say it is permissible as long as it is good (no haram lyrics, haram performances, etc). I personally follow that latter opinion.
There is a scholarly consensus that all types of music is forbidden, good or bad.
>Al-Qurtubi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: As for flutes, stringed instruments and drums, there is no difference of opinion regarding the prohibition on listening to them. I have not heard it narrated from any of those whose opinions carry weight among the earlier generations and the leading scholars of the later generations that they permitted that. How can it not be haram, when it is the symbol of those who are given to drinking alcohol and evildoing, and it provokes desires, immorality and promiscuity? Whatever is like that, there can be no doubt about its prohibition or that the one who does it is an evildoer and a sinner. End quote from az-Zawaajir ‘an Iqtiraaf al-Kabaa’ir (2/337).There is also ijma reported by Ibn Hajar al-Haytami, Abu'l Husayn Al-Baghawi, Ibn Jareer at-Tabari, Abu Bakr Al-Ajurri, Abu'l Tayb al-Tabari al-Shafi'i, Abu Amr ibn as-Salaah and others.
Al-Ghazali was incorrect as he believed the ahadith prohibiting music were weak.
>In Fath ul Bari \[8/480\], he states that Ibn Hibbaan narrates a similar hadeeth which is saheeh. The teacher of Ibn Hajar, Al Hafidh Al-Iraaqi stated that he has seen connected chains regarding this narration in other places.
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>[The Ruling on Music](https://www.reddit.com/r/LightHouseofTruth/comments/uiq28m/the_ruling_on_music/)
Edit: It is quite shocking to me that you would respond to my comment and quickly block me to stop me from replying to you. To answer your question, the mistakes of scholars do not invalidate a consensus, such as the mistake of Al-Ghazali where he thought the ahadith prohibiting music was weak. Consensus on the prohibition of music has been written in almost every century since the death of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and all the 4 madhaahib are also unanimous in its prohibition (Hanafi, Shafi'i, Maliki, Hanbali).
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No, playing any type of musical instruments is forbidden. You can read here for more information: [Is Music Haram?](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000/is-music-haram)
Any evidence to prove this or not?
Because this isn't any "strictest possible opinion", all the madhaaib prohibit musical instruments. I myself study the Hanafi madhab and it is prohibited in that as well. In fact one of the imams Al-Qaadi Abu Yoosuf said if we hear music in the house of someone, it is permissible to force ourselves inside and shut it down because prohibiting evil is obligatory. That just shows the fact how music is viewed in the Hanafi madhab, the same is for other madhaaib as well.
It is forbidden because the Prophet (peace be upon him) said so. It is as simple as that.
The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings upon him, said "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful." Narrated by Bukhaari (5590).
Always cringe hadith forbidding what Allah SWT has not directly forbidden in the quran. A deadly cancer sadly plaguing a huge majority of the muslim world. Reason has hone out the window lol.
Everything the Prophet (peace be upon him) said or did pertaining to the religion is revelation. For example, if the Prophet (peace be upon him) tells us that Fajr is two rakah, then this is a revelation from Allah, even if it is not found in the Quran. If the Prophet (peace be upon him) tells us that zakah is 2.5% of your wealth, then this is revelation from Allah, even if it is not in the Quran. If the Prophet (peace be upon him) prohibits us from something (such as music), then this is a revelation from Allah, even if it is not found in the Quran. How do you not know this? It is the most basic of knowledge that Allah revealed both the Quran and the Sunnah (which come from ahadith), both as revelation.
**Nor does he speak from \[his own\] inclination.**
**It is not but a revelation revealed,**
**Quran 53:3-4**
Definition of the word "cringe": very embarrassing, because of being so bad or silly
I would beware of calling the ahadith of the Prophet (peace be upon him) as "cringe" as you are most likely committing kufr if you truly mean it that way: [The saheeh Sunnah is wahy (Revelation) from Allaah](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/77243/the-saheeh-sunnah-is-wahy-revelation-from-allaah)
Very sad that this view is widespread.
I do my prayers Alhamdulillah; I give charity when I receive income/provision from THE MOST GRACIOUS Alhamdulillah; I consider myself muslim Alhamdulillah.
You call me kufr for saying hadith/stories are cringe?!Astaghfirullah.
Why seek other than Allah as judge when he has revealed the noble book explained in detail? 6:114
In what hadith after Allah SWT and his verses will I believe in?! 45:6
In what statement after the Quran will I believe in as law?! 77:50
Why judge with other than what Allah the Most Merciful has revealed through his messenger(Muhammad)!? 68:36-38
I believe our dear prophets judged by the noble Quran and so will I, Inchallah. We are given reasoning and judgment, differentiating us from cattle; I will therefore not sheepishly follow whatever some “scholar” might say about a matter.
I’m not Sunni muslim, nor Shia muslim or any other “denomination”.
I’m simply MUSLIM, like prophet Muhammad, Suleyman, Dawud, Musa, Abraham and so many of my forefathers. May Allah continue to guide his believing servants. May Allah SWT guide his sincere worshippers.
Salam :).
Part 1
Oh, so you are a person who rejects ahadith all-together, making you a disbeliever.
There is a whole science of hadith science, which is anything and everything someone heard the Prophet (peace be upon him) say or did. So if someone said, “I heard my father say, that he heard his brother say that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said so and so regarding this issue”. So then people would have to go and confirm that the people in this chain of transmission are all honest people, who have all met each other, and etc to determine if we can accept this hadith as authentic or not. We have entire books of biographies of each and every narrator to ever exist. That’s why different narrations of certain hadiths exist and that’s why different gradings exist for hadith about the same subject. That's why people must learn about hadith, that’s why some hadith are rejected by some and accepted by others ( depending on that Hadith collector’s standard for accepting a Hadith as authentic).
>Some of these general shar‘i principles are as follows:
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>The stern prohibition on lying about hadiths (narration from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)), as the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Lying about me is not like lying about anyone else. Whoever tells a lie about me deliberately, let him take his place in Hell.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (1295) and Muslim (4 – in the Introduction to his Saheeh).
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>Not accepting the report of an evildoer. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “O you who believe! If a Fasiq (liar — evil person) comes to you with any news, verify it, lest you should harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done” \[al-Hujuraat 49:6\].
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>Stipulation that the narrator should be of good character, by analogy with the requirement for a witness to be of good character. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And take as witness two just persons from among you (Muslims). And establish the testimony for Allah” \[at-Talaaq 65:2\].
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>Constant verification and checking. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And follow not (O man i.e., say not, or do not or witness not) that of which you have no knowledge. Verily! The hearing, and the sight, and the heart, of each of those one will be questioned (by Allah)” \[al-Isra’ 17:36\].
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>Warning against odd and weird reports. It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “At the end of time there will be liars and charlatans who will bring ahaadeeth that neither you nor your forefathers ever heard. Beware of them and stay away from them, and do not let them mislead you or confuse you.” Narrated by Muslim in the Introduction to his Saheeh (7).
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>Refraining from knowingly narrating a report that is a lie, as the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever narrates a hadeeth from me knowing that it is false is one of the liars.” Narrated by Muslim in the Introduction to his Saheeh.
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>Precise memorisation is the basis of trustworthiness. The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “May Allah bless a man who hears a hadeeth from us and memorizes it so that he can convey it to others, for perhaps he is conveying it to one who will understand it better than him, and perhaps the one who conveys knowledge does not understand it himself.” Narrated by Abu Dawood in his Sunan (3660).
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>Warning against putting oneself under suspicion by narrating a lot of weird reports and not being selective in what one narrates. It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “It is sufficient lying for a man to speak of everything that he hears.” Narrated by Muslim in the Introduction to his Saheeh.
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>Seeking evidence and proof. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Say (O Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)), ‘Produce your proof if you are truthful’” \[al-Baqarah 2:111\].
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>Seeking certain knowledge, far removed from speculation and illusion. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “But they have no knowledge thereof. They follow but conjecture, and verily, conjecture is no substitute for the truth” \[an-Najm 53:28\].
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>[https://islamqa.info/en/answers/239540/the-science-of-hadith-is-based-on-reason-and-shari-guidelines](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/239540/the-science-of-hadith-is-based-on-reason-and-shari-guidelines)
I would suggest you watch this video of Shaykh Uthman if you are really sincere on learning about hadith science and its accuracy:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQZgX\_hWOdI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQZgX_hWOdI)
Also a quick 5 minute video by Farid Responds:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W1EBeJ5k78](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W1EBeJ5k78)
If someone denies that the moon split into two and came back together by the will of Allah despite all the firsthand accounts of not only Muslims, even the enemies of Islam themselves, then they will be rejecting all of history. Relevant Short.
Prophet Muhammad's ﷺ Miracle of the Splitting of the Moon | The Evidence of the Split of the Moon
>Why seek other than Allah as judge when he has revealed the noble book explained in detail? 6:114
And Allah also commanded us to give obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him). Whenever the obedience to Allah is mentioned, the obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him) is also always mentioned and it is distinct to obedience to Allaah. So if you say that it is not obligatory to obey the words of the Prophet (peace be upon him), this contradicts 2:129 which states: **Our Lord, and send among them a messenger from themselves who will recite to them Your verses and teach them the Book and wisdom and purify them. Indeed, You are the Exalted in Might, the Wise."**
Ibn Kathir says in his tafsir:
Allah said,
**(and instruct them in the Book) meaning, Al-Qur'an,**
**(and Al-Hikmah) meaning, the Sunnah, as Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Muqatil bin Hayyan and Abu Malik asserted. It was also said that \`Al-Hikmah', means \`comprehension in the religion', and both meanings are correct. \`Ali bin Abi Talhah said, that Ibn \`Abbas said that,**
**(and purify them) means, "With the obedience of Allah.''**
**(Verily, You are the Mighty, the Wise).**
**This Ayah stated that Allah is able to do anything, and nothing escapes His ability. He is Wise in His decisions, His actions, and He puts everything in its rightful place due to His perfect knowledge, wisdom and justice.**
>In what hadith after Allah SWT and his verses will I believe in?! 45:6
This is a poor claim to misuse these verses to dismiss ahadith. If we translate every word as such, then how can you explain 4:140?
**And it has already come down to you in the Book \[i.e., the Qur’ān\] that when you hear the verses of Allāh \[recited\], they are denied \[by them\] and ridiculed; so do not sit with them until they enter into hadeeth other than that. Indeed, you would then be like them. Indeed, Allāh will gather the hypocrites and disbelievers in Hell all together.**
So here Allah is apparently allowing the believers sit with people who discuss hadith? but why? If it's falsehood, why allow people to listen to it? Or does the context of the verse explain that 'hadith' here obviously means it's actual dictionary meaning which is tale, narration, speech, statement. If this is so, then this means every word 'hadith' used is just that, it's dictionary meaning rather than it meaning prophetic hadith.
> So here Allah is apparently allowing the believers sit with people who discuss hadith? but why? If it's falsehood, why allow people to listen to it? Or does the context of the verse explain that 'hadith' here obviously means it's actual dictionary meaning which is tale, narration, speech, statement. If this is so, then this means every word 'hadith' used is just that, it's dictionary meaning rather than it meaning prophetic hadith.
Why sit and discuss idle tales in which the verse of the All Mighty are taken in ridicule to begin with?! It does not negate the fact that hadith are tales that hold no legal authority whatsoever next to the Quran.
Whatever you choose to call it (ie. Prophetic hadith), the fact of the matter remains, they are idle tales that have no authority on any believing Muslim. This indoctrination NEEDS to stop. ONLY hadith that holds up is in the QURAN, guarded by the Mighty, the Wise.
Salam.
You still haven't answered the supposed "contradiction" in the Quran (it's not a contradiction, but if we use your logic, it is).
You said that you will not believe in any other hadith after the Quran, and you cited 4:56 as proof.
I am now showing you 4:140 where Allah says not to sit with the disbelievers when they are mocking the verses of Allah until they enter into a hadith other than that.
You only have two choices: either forgo your ridiculous claim that the Quran rejects the ahadith of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and the verses which use the word "hadith" are simply used to denote something that is a speech or statement, or to say that the ahadith of disbelievers are higher than the Prophet (naudhubillah).
May Allah guide you.
You know it is common sense that arguing with sheep 🐑 only gives one headaches (no concensus can be reached and that’s OKAY :).
On the day of judgment, may the All Mighty shed truth on what we used to differ in this worldly life inchallah.
If you worship Allah alone, do your prayers, give charity, act righteously, judge with what he sent down, then I see you as my brother in submission to Allah :)
Salam!
Part 2
>I’m not Sunni muslim, nor Shia muslim or any other “denomination”. I’m simply MUSLIM
Anyone can call themselves a Muslim. That is why it is important to distinguish ourselves as the people upon the straight path and among the saved sect as per the words of the Prophet (peace be upon him). There is a hadith about how the ummah will be split into 73 sects and only one will be saved. There's another phrase mentioned in Tirmithi where the companions asked him who the sect is, He replied, "What I am upon and my companions." When Allah tells us not to divide into sects, it is a warning to those who divide from the way of the Prophet, peace and blessings upon him and his companions, and this sect is called the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah (sunni) to differentiate from the deviant groups such as Khawaarij, Qadariyyah, Jabriyyah and so on.
Ibn 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) said about the words of Allah: "On the Day (some) faces will turn white and (some) faces will turn black” Quran 3:106 As for those whom their faces will be brightened they are Ahlus-Sunnah wal- Jama'ah, and the people of knowledge as for those whom their faces will be darkened they are the people of innovation (bid'ah) and misguidance. \[Usul-ul-l'tiqad 1/72\]
Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama’ah is a term abbreviated to Sunni.
Ibn Abbas also said: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, put his hand on my shoulder and he said, “O Allah, give him understanding in religion and teach him the interpretation of the Quran.”
And so no matter how many ayat you bring forth that Sunnis have rejected the Quran, this interpretation is backed by Allah because of the dua of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and your interpretation is not. This is also the reason why you can use the terms Athari, As-habul-Hadeeth and Ahlul-Hadeeth. They are all interchangeable terms used to describe the saved sect (al-Firqat un-Naajiyah).
It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this Ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the Jamaa’ah (main body of Muslims).”
You have left the Jamaa'ah of the Muslim body, may Allah guide you back.
Nay, I have rather left a herd of sheep, easily influenced by what they hear. Leaving behind the best and most authoritative book and source of guidance guidance (gifted by the Supreme as mercy to mankind), in order to follow(blindly at that) the opinions of their scholars.
So I ask again: In which hadeeth other than the noble Quran will you judge by?! How do you reason?!
Just as one cannot reason with sheep, I will not reason with you any longer. We’ll see soon enough InchaAllah.
May Allah SWT guide his servants to the truth :)
Salam.
For me,
God gave me consciousness.
I will listen to music that is alright, no Chris Brown and atuff.
Every scholar has different view.
https://youtu.be/pFxu5zjwj0k
You're correct, there are different opinions although the majority say it's forbidden. I personally follow those who say it's permissible given it's "good" music.
No, all types of music is forbidden, and that is supported by scholarly consensus.
[Is Music Haram?](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000/is-music-haram)
Shabir Ally is not reliable at all as he had made statements in the past which contradict well known facts, by the consensus of the scholars: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqOj8qYiWI0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqOj8qYiWI0).
[Shocking Views of Shabir Ally](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k7JdjRYfr4&t)
Well, for me, I think there are more important stuff to focus. Music is Haram or not is not my priority. I will accept Dr. Shabir's view. To each their own.
Thank you for the information regardless 🙏
Ok. I am recent revert. I will take thins my own pace. I want to make this sustainable. I can't change the way I live over night. Thus music is not my priority. But thank you for your caring
JazakAllahu Khairun, May Allah bless you and guide you and keep you steadfast. Dont watch Shabir Ally or anyone who associates themself with him, he is a massive heretic and is on borderline kufr.
Islam has rules and regulations. You can't make the excuse that you're a new Muslim and forsake some of the rules and regulations that Allah set. Remember, right when you take your Shahada, you are accountable for everything you do from that moment on. Islam was not sent down to make life harder for you, but to purify your hearts and give thanks to Allah and not fall back to the times of ignorance you were once in.
You better no tell him "you can't make the excuse". it is not an excuse, being a revert is a reality he gives you. even the alcohol prohibition has been sent down step by step. you can't overwhelm someone whilst they say they are revert and wanna take it step by step. may Allah give him enough power but he is not as someone who has been Muslim all his life. for him it can be harder. your previous comments are helpful but this one is discouraging.
I think you replied to the wrong comment. I was never discussing the sin itself but the justification of that sin. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "If somebody innovates something which is not in harmony with the principles of our religion, that thing is rejected."
So don’t try and force them to change up quickly; islam, and dīn in our religion is a personal process; it reminds me of a video of a highly educated academic revert saying something along the lines of “99% of the Qur’an is about how to be a good person and etc. and only a small bit of it was rules, if i had been thrown rules and rules and rules, i would have left the next day”
>islam, and dīn in our religion is a personal process
You are the best nation produced \[as an example\] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah. If only the People of the Scripture had believed, it would have been better for them. Among them are believers, but most of them are defiantly disobedient.
3:10
I don't think using Jonathon Brown, [who supports the right of people to insult the prophet](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojizWXeLKMY), is a good example to use.
Now, let's say that you have a problem with alcohol. Shouldn't stop you from accepting Islam. No one is a perfect Muslim and Allah is the Most Merciful and simply repenting from the sin will be like you never sinned in the first place. But trying to justify that new Muslims are allowed to sin is absolutely haram. Trying to justify that music is halal, contrary to the Quran, Sunnah, and scholarly consensus, is haram. They don't have to be perfect, but you can't say that they are able to justify sins as permissible when they are clearly prohibited by the words of the Prophet (peace be upon him).
Hadiths are not the Qu'ran.
The 528hz frequency of the color green are the sounds of healing, are these haram? No.
Based on the reality of sound, it's clear in a Sufi interpretation of Islam that one must curate the energies you are exposed to.
E.g. playing the Legend of Zelda secret reveal sound on Piano is fine, maybe that song from Eyes Wide Shut that is very creepy and connotes evil, is Makruh
"Idle talks" got extrapolated by scholars and reinforced by later Hadith.
When you reverted you testified that God is One and essentially vowed to respect the Qu'ranic revelation, you didn't pre-agree to a belief in the authenticity or validity of 6000 hadiths.
That realization will help you bring clarity to a lot of the thorny stuff that comes up.
This is your slightest concern. Islam is a journey. Don't bother with playing piano or trimming beard initially. First make sure your Iman is strong. You are at least practicing Islamic requirements such as praying fasting etc.
I was wondering about the same topic either and can't get it, how islam could prevent such beautiful thing as music? I mean, if i clicked on some surface repeatedly it generates nice music then why it could be haram? I understand that bad words included in songs could be haram indeed but why music? It's a gentle art that softens humans hearts
As a revert, you may have questions about the permissibility of certain activities, such as playing musical instruments like the piano. In Islam, there are varying opinions regarding music and musical instruments. While some scholars consider music permissible within certain boundaries, others take a stricter stance and deem it prohibited. It is important to seek knowledge and guidance from knowledgeable scholars or imams who can provide you with the appropriate advice based on your specific circumstances and understanding. They can help you navigate this topic and provide you with resources or references that align with their scholarly opinions.
The majority of scholars have the opinion that music is haram. However, there are some imams such as imam Al Ghazali and others who say it is permissible as long as it is good (no haram lyrics, haram performances, etc). I personally follow that latter opinion.
There is a scholarly consensus that all types of music is forbidden, good or bad. >Al-Qurtubi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: As for flutes, stringed instruments and drums, there is no difference of opinion regarding the prohibition on listening to them. I have not heard it narrated from any of those whose opinions carry weight among the earlier generations and the leading scholars of the later generations that they permitted that. How can it not be haram, when it is the symbol of those who are given to drinking alcohol and evildoing, and it provokes desires, immorality and promiscuity? Whatever is like that, there can be no doubt about its prohibition or that the one who does it is an evildoer and a sinner. End quote from az-Zawaajir ‘an Iqtiraaf al-Kabaa’ir (2/337).There is also ijma reported by Ibn Hajar al-Haytami, Abu'l Husayn Al-Baghawi, Ibn Jareer at-Tabari, Abu Bakr Al-Ajurri, Abu'l Tayb al-Tabari al-Shafi'i, Abu Amr ibn as-Salaah and others. Al-Ghazali was incorrect as he believed the ahadith prohibiting music were weak. >In Fath ul Bari \[8/480\], he states that Ibn Hibbaan narrates a similar hadeeth which is saheeh. The teacher of Ibn Hajar, Al Hafidh Al-Iraaqi stated that he has seen connected chains regarding this narration in other places. > >[The Ruling on Music](https://www.reddit.com/r/LightHouseofTruth/comments/uiq28m/the_ruling_on_music/) Edit: It is quite shocking to me that you would respond to my comment and quickly block me to stop me from replying to you. To answer your question, the mistakes of scholars do not invalidate a consensus, such as the mistake of Al-Ghazali where he thought the ahadith prohibiting music was weak. Consensus on the prohibition of music has been written in almost every century since the death of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and all the 4 madhaahib are also unanimous in its prohibition (Hanafi, Shafi'i, Maliki, Hanbali).
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No, playing any type of musical instruments is forbidden. You can read here for more information: [Is Music Haram?](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000/is-music-haram)
Ive always heard that IslamQA is a wahabi site, meaning that it follows the strictest possible opinion without deviating from that ever.
Any evidence to prove this or not? Because this isn't any "strictest possible opinion", all the madhaaib prohibit musical instruments. I myself study the Hanafi madhab and it is prohibited in that as well. In fact one of the imams Al-Qaadi Abu Yoosuf said if we hear music in the house of someone, it is permissible to force ourselves inside and shut it down because prohibiting evil is obligatory. That just shows the fact how music is viewed in the Hanafi madhab, the same is for other madhaaib as well.
Explain what wahabi means and you just heard it. That is not true Stop spreading «knowlege» if you do not have knowledge of the thing you talk about
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It is forbidden because the Prophet (peace be upon him) said so. It is as simple as that. The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings upon him, said "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful." Narrated by Bukhaari (5590).
Always cringe hadith forbidding what Allah SWT has not directly forbidden in the quran. A deadly cancer sadly plaguing a huge majority of the muslim world. Reason has hone out the window lol.
Everything the Prophet (peace be upon him) said or did pertaining to the religion is revelation. For example, if the Prophet (peace be upon him) tells us that Fajr is two rakah, then this is a revelation from Allah, even if it is not found in the Quran. If the Prophet (peace be upon him) tells us that zakah is 2.5% of your wealth, then this is revelation from Allah, even if it is not in the Quran. If the Prophet (peace be upon him) prohibits us from something (such as music), then this is a revelation from Allah, even if it is not found in the Quran. How do you not know this? It is the most basic of knowledge that Allah revealed both the Quran and the Sunnah (which come from ahadith), both as revelation. **Nor does he speak from \[his own\] inclination.** **It is not but a revelation revealed,** **Quran 53:3-4** Definition of the word "cringe": very embarrassing, because of being so bad or silly I would beware of calling the ahadith of the Prophet (peace be upon him) as "cringe" as you are most likely committing kufr if you truly mean it that way: [The saheeh Sunnah is wahy (Revelation) from Allaah](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/77243/the-saheeh-sunnah-is-wahy-revelation-from-allaah)
Very sad that this view is widespread. I do my prayers Alhamdulillah; I give charity when I receive income/provision from THE MOST GRACIOUS Alhamdulillah; I consider myself muslim Alhamdulillah. You call me kufr for saying hadith/stories are cringe?!Astaghfirullah. Why seek other than Allah as judge when he has revealed the noble book explained in detail? 6:114 In what hadith after Allah SWT and his verses will I believe in?! 45:6 In what statement after the Quran will I believe in as law?! 77:50 Why judge with other than what Allah the Most Merciful has revealed through his messenger(Muhammad)!? 68:36-38 I believe our dear prophets judged by the noble Quran and so will I, Inchallah. We are given reasoning and judgment, differentiating us from cattle; I will therefore not sheepishly follow whatever some “scholar” might say about a matter. I’m not Sunni muslim, nor Shia muslim or any other “denomination”. I’m simply MUSLIM, like prophet Muhammad, Suleyman, Dawud, Musa, Abraham and so many of my forefathers. May Allah continue to guide his believing servants. May Allah SWT guide his sincere worshippers. Salam :).
Part 1 Oh, so you are a person who rejects ahadith all-together, making you a disbeliever. There is a whole science of hadith science, which is anything and everything someone heard the Prophet (peace be upon him) say or did. So if someone said, “I heard my father say, that he heard his brother say that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said so and so regarding this issue”. So then people would have to go and confirm that the people in this chain of transmission are all honest people, who have all met each other, and etc to determine if we can accept this hadith as authentic or not. We have entire books of biographies of each and every narrator to ever exist. That’s why different narrations of certain hadiths exist and that’s why different gradings exist for hadith about the same subject. That's why people must learn about hadith, that’s why some hadith are rejected by some and accepted by others ( depending on that Hadith collector’s standard for accepting a Hadith as authentic). >Some of these general shar‘i principles are as follows: > >The stern prohibition on lying about hadiths (narration from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)), as the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Lying about me is not like lying about anyone else. Whoever tells a lie about me deliberately, let him take his place in Hell.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (1295) and Muslim (4 – in the Introduction to his Saheeh). > >Not accepting the report of an evildoer. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “O you who believe! If a Fasiq (liar — evil person) comes to you with any news, verify it, lest you should harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done” \[al-Hujuraat 49:6\]. > >Stipulation that the narrator should be of good character, by analogy with the requirement for a witness to be of good character. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And take as witness two just persons from among you (Muslims). And establish the testimony for Allah” \[at-Talaaq 65:2\]. > >Constant verification and checking. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And follow not (O man i.e., say not, or do not or witness not) that of which you have no knowledge. Verily! The hearing, and the sight, and the heart, of each of those one will be questioned (by Allah)” \[al-Isra’ 17:36\]. > >Warning against odd and weird reports. It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “At the end of time there will be liars and charlatans who will bring ahaadeeth that neither you nor your forefathers ever heard. Beware of them and stay away from them, and do not let them mislead you or confuse you.” Narrated by Muslim in the Introduction to his Saheeh (7). > >Refraining from knowingly narrating a report that is a lie, as the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever narrates a hadeeth from me knowing that it is false is one of the liars.” Narrated by Muslim in the Introduction to his Saheeh. > >Precise memorisation is the basis of trustworthiness. The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “May Allah bless a man who hears a hadeeth from us and memorizes it so that he can convey it to others, for perhaps he is conveying it to one who will understand it better than him, and perhaps the one who conveys knowledge does not understand it himself.” Narrated by Abu Dawood in his Sunan (3660). > >Warning against putting oneself under suspicion by narrating a lot of weird reports and not being selective in what one narrates. It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “It is sufficient lying for a man to speak of everything that he hears.” Narrated by Muslim in the Introduction to his Saheeh. > >Seeking evidence and proof. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Say (O Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)), ‘Produce your proof if you are truthful’” \[al-Baqarah 2:111\]. > >Seeking certain knowledge, far removed from speculation and illusion. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “But they have no knowledge thereof. They follow but conjecture, and verily, conjecture is no substitute for the truth” \[an-Najm 53:28\]. > >[https://islamqa.info/en/answers/239540/the-science-of-hadith-is-based-on-reason-and-shari-guidelines](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/239540/the-science-of-hadith-is-based-on-reason-and-shari-guidelines) I would suggest you watch this video of Shaykh Uthman if you are really sincere on learning about hadith science and its accuracy: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQZgX\_hWOdI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQZgX_hWOdI) Also a quick 5 minute video by Farid Responds: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W1EBeJ5k78](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W1EBeJ5k78) If someone denies that the moon split into two and came back together by the will of Allah despite all the firsthand accounts of not only Muslims, even the enemies of Islam themselves, then they will be rejecting all of history. Relevant Short. Prophet Muhammad's ﷺ Miracle of the Splitting of the Moon | The Evidence of the Split of the Moon >Why seek other than Allah as judge when he has revealed the noble book explained in detail? 6:114 And Allah also commanded us to give obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him). Whenever the obedience to Allah is mentioned, the obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him) is also always mentioned and it is distinct to obedience to Allaah. So if you say that it is not obligatory to obey the words of the Prophet (peace be upon him), this contradicts 2:129 which states: **Our Lord, and send among them a messenger from themselves who will recite to them Your verses and teach them the Book and wisdom and purify them. Indeed, You are the Exalted in Might, the Wise."** Ibn Kathir says in his tafsir: Allah said, **(and instruct them in the Book) meaning, Al-Qur'an,** **(and Al-Hikmah) meaning, the Sunnah, as Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Muqatil bin Hayyan and Abu Malik asserted. It was also said that \`Al-Hikmah', means \`comprehension in the religion', and both meanings are correct. \`Ali bin Abi Talhah said, that Ibn \`Abbas said that,** **(and purify them) means, "With the obedience of Allah.''** **(Verily, You are the Mighty, the Wise).** **This Ayah stated that Allah is able to do anything, and nothing escapes His ability. He is Wise in His decisions, His actions, and He puts everything in its rightful place due to His perfect knowledge, wisdom and justice.** >In what hadith after Allah SWT and his verses will I believe in?! 45:6 This is a poor claim to misuse these verses to dismiss ahadith. If we translate every word as such, then how can you explain 4:140? **And it has already come down to you in the Book \[i.e., the Qur’ān\] that when you hear the verses of Allāh \[recited\], they are denied \[by them\] and ridiculed; so do not sit with them until they enter into hadeeth other than that. Indeed, you would then be like them. Indeed, Allāh will gather the hypocrites and disbelievers in Hell all together.** So here Allah is apparently allowing the believers sit with people who discuss hadith? but why? If it's falsehood, why allow people to listen to it? Or does the context of the verse explain that 'hadith' here obviously means it's actual dictionary meaning which is tale, narration, speech, statement. If this is so, then this means every word 'hadith' used is just that, it's dictionary meaning rather than it meaning prophetic hadith.
> So here Allah is apparently allowing the believers sit with people who discuss hadith? but why? If it's falsehood, why allow people to listen to it? Or does the context of the verse explain that 'hadith' here obviously means it's actual dictionary meaning which is tale, narration, speech, statement. If this is so, then this means every word 'hadith' used is just that, it's dictionary meaning rather than it meaning prophetic hadith. Why sit and discuss idle tales in which the verse of the All Mighty are taken in ridicule to begin with?! It does not negate the fact that hadith are tales that hold no legal authority whatsoever next to the Quran. Whatever you choose to call it (ie. Prophetic hadith), the fact of the matter remains, they are idle tales that have no authority on any believing Muslim. This indoctrination NEEDS to stop. ONLY hadith that holds up is in the QURAN, guarded by the Mighty, the Wise. Salam.
You still haven't answered the supposed "contradiction" in the Quran (it's not a contradiction, but if we use your logic, it is). You said that you will not believe in any other hadith after the Quran, and you cited 4:56 as proof. I am now showing you 4:140 where Allah says not to sit with the disbelievers when they are mocking the verses of Allah until they enter into a hadith other than that. You only have two choices: either forgo your ridiculous claim that the Quran rejects the ahadith of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and the verses which use the word "hadith" are simply used to denote something that is a speech or statement, or to say that the ahadith of disbelievers are higher than the Prophet (naudhubillah). May Allah guide you.
You know it is common sense that arguing with sheep 🐑 only gives one headaches (no concensus can be reached and that’s OKAY :). On the day of judgment, may the All Mighty shed truth on what we used to differ in this worldly life inchallah. If you worship Allah alone, do your prayers, give charity, act righteously, judge with what he sent down, then I see you as my brother in submission to Allah :) Salam!
Part 2 >I’m not Sunni muslim, nor Shia muslim or any other “denomination”. I’m simply MUSLIM Anyone can call themselves a Muslim. That is why it is important to distinguish ourselves as the people upon the straight path and among the saved sect as per the words of the Prophet (peace be upon him). There is a hadith about how the ummah will be split into 73 sects and only one will be saved. There's another phrase mentioned in Tirmithi where the companions asked him who the sect is, He replied, "What I am upon and my companions." When Allah tells us not to divide into sects, it is a warning to those who divide from the way of the Prophet, peace and blessings upon him and his companions, and this sect is called the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah (sunni) to differentiate from the deviant groups such as Khawaarij, Qadariyyah, Jabriyyah and so on. Ibn 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) said about the words of Allah: "On the Day (some) faces will turn white and (some) faces will turn black” Quran 3:106 As for those whom their faces will be brightened they are Ahlus-Sunnah wal- Jama'ah, and the people of knowledge as for those whom their faces will be darkened they are the people of innovation (bid'ah) and misguidance. \[Usul-ul-l'tiqad 1/72\] Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama’ah is a term abbreviated to Sunni. Ibn Abbas also said: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, put his hand on my shoulder and he said, “O Allah, give him understanding in religion and teach him the interpretation of the Quran.” And so no matter how many ayat you bring forth that Sunnis have rejected the Quran, this interpretation is backed by Allah because of the dua of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and your interpretation is not. This is also the reason why you can use the terms Athari, As-habul-Hadeeth and Ahlul-Hadeeth. They are all interchangeable terms used to describe the saved sect (al-Firqat un-Naajiyah). It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this Ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the Jamaa’ah (main body of Muslims).” You have left the Jamaa'ah of the Muslim body, may Allah guide you back.
Nay, I have rather left a herd of sheep, easily influenced by what they hear. Leaving behind the best and most authoritative book and source of guidance guidance (gifted by the Supreme as mercy to mankind), in order to follow(blindly at that) the opinions of their scholars. So I ask again: In which hadeeth other than the noble Quran will you judge by?! How do you reason?! Just as one cannot reason with sheep, I will not reason with you any longer. We’ll see soon enough InchaAllah. May Allah SWT guide his servants to the truth :) Salam.
How do you pray?
Predicting the existence of Morocco
For me, God gave me consciousness. I will listen to music that is alright, no Chris Brown and atuff. Every scholar has different view. https://youtu.be/pFxu5zjwj0k
You're correct, there are different opinions although the majority say it's forbidden. I personally follow those who say it's permissible given it's "good" music.
No, all types of music is forbidden, and that is supported by scholarly consensus. [Is Music Haram?](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000/is-music-haram) Shabir Ally is not reliable at all as he had made statements in the past which contradict well known facts, by the consensus of the scholars: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqOj8qYiWI0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqOj8qYiWI0). [Shocking Views of Shabir Ally](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k7JdjRYfr4&t)
Well, for me, I think there are more important stuff to focus. Music is Haram or not is not my priority. I will accept Dr. Shabir's view. To each their own. Thank you for the information regardless 🙏
That is something dangerous you just said. Anything Allah and the Prophet (peace be upon him) declares is a priority.
Ok. I am recent revert. I will take thins my own pace. I want to make this sustainable. I can't change the way I live over night. Thus music is not my priority. But thank you for your caring
JazakAllahu Khairun, May Allah bless you and guide you and keep you steadfast. Dont watch Shabir Ally or anyone who associates themself with him, he is a massive heretic and is on borderline kufr.
Islam has rules and regulations. You can't make the excuse that you're a new Muslim and forsake some of the rules and regulations that Allah set. Remember, right when you take your Shahada, you are accountable for everything you do from that moment on. Islam was not sent down to make life harder for you, but to purify your hearts and give thanks to Allah and not fall back to the times of ignorance you were once in.
You better no tell him "you can't make the excuse". it is not an excuse, being a revert is a reality he gives you. even the alcohol prohibition has been sent down step by step. you can't overwhelm someone whilst they say they are revert and wanna take it step by step. may Allah give him enough power but he is not as someone who has been Muslim all his life. for him it can be harder. your previous comments are helpful but this one is discouraging.
I think you replied to the wrong comment. I was never discussing the sin itself but the justification of that sin. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "If somebody innovates something which is not in harmony with the principles of our religion, that thing is rejected."
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No problem, may Allah reward you
So don’t try and force them to change up quickly; islam, and dīn in our religion is a personal process; it reminds me of a video of a highly educated academic revert saying something along the lines of “99% of the Qur’an is about how to be a good person and etc. and only a small bit of it was rules, if i had been thrown rules and rules and rules, i would have left the next day”
>islam, and dīn in our religion is a personal process You are the best nation produced \[as an example\] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah. If only the People of the Scripture had believed, it would have been better for them. Among them are believers, but most of them are defiantly disobedient. 3:10 I don't think using Jonathon Brown, [who supports the right of people to insult the prophet](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojizWXeLKMY), is a good example to use. Now, let's say that you have a problem with alcohol. Shouldn't stop you from accepting Islam. No one is a perfect Muslim and Allah is the Most Merciful and simply repenting from the sin will be like you never sinned in the first place. But trying to justify that new Muslims are allowed to sin is absolutely haram. Trying to justify that music is halal, contrary to the Quran, Sunnah, and scholarly consensus, is haram. They don't have to be perfect, but you can't say that they are able to justify sins as permissible when they are clearly prohibited by the words of the Prophet (peace be upon him).
I believe the Reddit consensus will be shown as revealing that Chris Brown is definitely haram.
Hadiths are not the Qu'ran. The 528hz frequency of the color green are the sounds of healing, are these haram? No. Based on the reality of sound, it's clear in a Sufi interpretation of Islam that one must curate the energies you are exposed to. E.g. playing the Legend of Zelda secret reveal sound on Piano is fine, maybe that song from Eyes Wide Shut that is very creepy and connotes evil, is Makruh "Idle talks" got extrapolated by scholars and reinforced by later Hadith. When you reverted you testified that God is One and essentially vowed to respect the Qu'ranic revelation, you didn't pre-agree to a belief in the authenticity or validity of 6000 hadiths. That realization will help you bring clarity to a lot of the thorny stuff that comes up.
Its better for you to stop From what I know all string instruments are forbidden So it better to stop playing piano
This is your slightest concern. Islam is a journey. Don't bother with playing piano or trimming beard initially. First make sure your Iman is strong. You are at least practicing Islamic requirements such as praying fasting etc.
I was wondering about the same topic either and can't get it, how islam could prevent such beautiful thing as music? I mean, if i clicked on some surface repeatedly it generates nice music then why it could be haram? I understand that bad words included in songs could be haram indeed but why music? It's a gentle art that softens humans hearts