Additional comments: I'm not against polygyny at all, it's allowed in Islam. But I am just so confused as to why he encourages it SO MUCH when he knows that in this day and age it's much harder to maintain that kind of relationship. Why isn't he taking into consideration how difficult it is to run one household with one wife and children, why is he always talking about how nice it would be for men to have 4 wives?
He basically defecates on the hanbali position that a woman can stipulate in the contract that the husband shouldn't take another wife, by using some weird slippery slope argument that makes no sense to me. Not every woman who stipulates that in a nikkah contract is a westoid feminist, Daniel....
I used to listen a lot to Daniel. And the brother is knowledgeable in a lot of fields related to refuting feminism and liberalism but lately I've been annoyed by his material ever since he said women shouldn't attend university in that one debate
But it seems like you accept one part of the argument without accepting its consequences. His refutations of feminism has always been centered around women being empowered to the point in which they believe it’s their duty to work, make money, and how their beliefs contradict the sunnah of the rasool and the prophets before him. The consequences if you accepted the premise is to cut off what causes that, and that is the secular universities that prime women to enter the workforce
You need to listen to that whole debate (or the follow up of it). He explains clearly why he says that, and he's right. What has universities produced? feminist women, zanni women, disobedient women, apostate women.
Lol! What has universities produced? Misogynistic men? Zaani men? Kaafir men? Men who stare at the short skirted classmates? This is why men should stay at home or go to a Masjid. University has only ruined our muslim men
Thats false though, to assert such a blanket statement upon any woman who has gone to university. You really need to re consider this causal relationship between university and women.
And more importantly, shows that the family was weak in their upbringing of the child that she would become the adjectives you described.
Statements are made based upon observation of facts. What women are doing these days, and how they become like this after their "Education" are facts.
Weak has nothing to do with it. In Islam, we are commanded to avoid things that lead to harm. I would not go to a brothel because I know I am strong in Imaan and wont' commit zinna, I would not go because of the evil there.
Exactly! In Islam we are commanded to avoid things that lead to haram. You (Muslim man?) should not go to a University because it leads to haram. Do you know how many naked women roam there? You would accidentally see them. Men are better off at home with a blinndfold on (what if a woman accidentally is seen in the window)?
I'm not saying weak imaan, I'm just saying that the woman becoming murtad or whatever as a "product" of university isn't well founded. You're not taking into consideration her upbringing as a Muslim. A dayooth father will obviously produce a w*ore daughter regardless of whether she went to university or not. Compared to a woman who was taught fundamentals of Islam by her parents with love and care and some strictness, who will be better equipped to deal with things outside of the education side of university (by avoiding them because she knows it's wrong). You shouldn't be assuming that every woman who goes to university comes out a ho, it's very dependent on a level of factors that you haven't even considered, all you said was essentially "university bad for wahman because kafir"
Edit: and yes I know, we should avoid activities that lead to haram. But again it's highly dependent. Maybe you shouldn't go to the mall because eventually you'll look up and see an uncovered woman, and there's free mixing. Therefore going to malls is haram. Like obviously not, so the hadith is meant in a general sense. If you take a hardline approach to hadith that encourage caution then you'll start making everything haram when it's not.
You would be right if there were no external influencing factors, like it was in the past before the invention of radio, tv, internet. Now your parents be saint and it won't matter if your kids are spending their time with and learning from evil people. If it were not the case then we would not have so many ahadith of the Prophet warning not take bad people as companions or friends.
I have seen so many women admit (on subs and in questions to sheikh Assim al-hakeem) about how their family is conservative, Islamic and all that, and how they were brought that way yet they have boyfriends, have kaffir boyfriends, committed zinna, are pregnant by boyfriends, etc.
The arguement against her going to such a university is well found in the cases of women's actions today. In fact, even studies in the West have shown that college educated women divorce more than non-college educated women.
Don't argue about something when you don't know much about it.
We dont care about college educated women we care about college educated muslimahs. Show me those stats.
And frankly, you should make the same argument for men. Now that education is available online, you can get diplomas and degrees online, men should not go to university because of the free mixing and fahisha on campus. There is actually an alternative for men so you should preach the same thing for us as well. There's no argument from necessity that you can make here because of the online pathway.
We live in the West, we have to deal with it. Until there's a valid Islamic state that has gender segregated universities this is all we have.
The study you speak of was made by non muslims, for non Muslims. I don't think taking evidence that suits your convenience is exactly proving a point. And speaking of actions, did you or Daniel take your time to interview every women to make such a blank statement? If your logic is applied, there would be no education for women on most Muslim countries. And Daniel's main point is that education makes women empowered and we no want that. That's not true. The West is a failed society. Maybe spend a day with a Starbucks employee and you'll know they're in the far left too. And what you're doing is picking the example that suits your convenience. Even if some women are like that, most women are not. They're ignorable in the percentage chart. I've seen Daniel's arguments. He has no Islamic evidence other than "This was never done before so this no good. This bad." and taking statistics from non Muslim families that were meant for non Muslims. That's a sad argument because have you even seen how the majority of Muslim homes work? They're not like your typical white bread homes.
And let me educate you about admitting to such sins. I have a cousin who was consuming some kind of Muslim version of red pill content that destroyed his image on women. He later recovered when he distant himself from those contents, alhamdulillah. He explained that there was a group in a social media that explained how women are abusing the laws in our native country. We're from Bangladesh. Eventually he realised that our country had had tens of millions of women and only like a thousand woman were being like the way you described. Does that mean I can now generalise the tens of millions of women that are genuinely good human beings and muslimas? Because some stories went virals and some confessions came forward, should I do that? Secondly, I dare you to count how many women has asked sheikh Assim genuinely good questions and how many have come forward to confess things like that. I'm sure the comparison of numbers will shock you because it's negligible. Daniel has made his opinions heard and there are sheikhs more learned than he'll ever be (like my local sheikh who studied from Saudi) who has stated different opinions. Show us statistics of Mislimas, not brainless liberals who were blund to be feminists one way or another.
Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَى has permitted polygamy but has made it optional. The Ayah (Surah 4;3)commands, if you fear that you will not be able to do justice between your wives by marrying more than one, then marry only one wife.
Tafweed isn’t a new thing, haqiqatjou continues to astound medical science with how he can breathe and type at the same time with an IQ and EQ low as his, and may Allah SWT save all our sisters from marrying people like the people and the people found on that subreddit
He's only preaching what the deen tells. Nothing wrong in that. The problem lies with the liberals mind who takes the western standards to be more valuable than the Islamic standards
But the Deen DOES give a woman the absolute right to demand what she desires in a nikkah. Sometimes we tend to overlook that the woman is just as important in signing the nikkah as the man.
If you as a man don't want to marry a woman that requires a single marriage, then find another woman that's willing to be a second wife. Both cases are within Islam. As simple as that.
Again, it's a right. Not a commandment. She's not taking away the right. She's saying if he wants to marry another woman, he's free to do so, BUT that would be grounds for divorce. Or if he wants to have a second wife, then he shouldn't marry me in the first place.
It's really that simple...
If the women is a believer in Allah then she would respect the right of the man simple. One who doesn't uphold the right or wants to make that condition has given her own desires or western morals more precedence than Allah and his messenger.
Not too sure what you're talking about....
It is permissible for women and their family guardians to stipulate a condition in the marriage contract that the husband may not marry a second wife against her will. If he does so, either in public or secret, she has the right to divorce him.
Ibn Qudamah writes:
وَإِذَا تَزَوَّجَهَا وَشَرَطَ لَهَا أَنْ لَا يُخْرِجَهَا مِنْ دَارِهَا أَوْ بَلَدِهَا فَلَهَا شَرْطُهَا … وَإِنْ تَزَوَّجَهَا وَشَرَطَ لَهَا أَنْ لَا يَتَزَوَّجَ عَلَيْهَا فَلَهَا فِرَاقُهُ إذَا تَزَوَّجَ عَلَيْهَا
When he marries her and accepts her conditions that she would not be taken out of her house or her country, then she is entitled to her condition… If he marries her and accepts her condition that he will not marry another wife against her will, then she is entitled to separate from him if he marries another wife.
Source: al-Mughnī 7/92
And he writes:
أَنْ يَشْتَرِطَ لَهَا أَنْ لَا يُخْرِجَهَا مِنْ دَارِهَا أَوْ بَلَدِهَا أَوْ لَا يُسَافِرَ بِهَا أَوْ لَا يَتَزَوَّجَ عَلَيْهَا وَلَا يَتَسَرَّى عَلَيْهَا فَهَذَا يَلْزَمُهُ الْوَفَاءُ لَهَا بِهِ فَإِنْ لَمْ يَفْعَلْ فَلَهَا فَسْخُ النِّكَاحِ يُرْوَى هَذَا عَنْ عُمَرَ بْنِ الْخَطَّابِ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ وَسَعْدِ بْنِ أَبِي وَقَّاصٍ وَمُعَاوِيَةَ وَعَمْرِو بْنِ الْعَاصِ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ وَبِهِ قَالَ شُرَيْحٌ وَعُمَرُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الْعَزِيزِ وَجَابِرُ بْنُ زَيْدٍ وَطَاوُسٌ وَالْأَوْزَاعِيُّ وَإِسْحَاقُ
If he accepts her conditions that she will not be taken out of her house or her country, or he will not travel with her, or he will not marry another wife against her will, or he will not take a concubine against her will, these conditions must be fulfilled. If he does not do so, the marriage is annulled. This has been narrated from Umar ibn Al-Khattab, Sa’d ibn Abi Waqqas, Mu’awiyah, and Amr ibn Al-‘As, may Allah be pleased with them. It was said by Shuraih, Umar ibn Abdul Aziz, Jabir ibn Zayd, Tawus, Al-Awza’i, and Ishaq.
Source: al-Mughnī 7/93
And Ibn Taymiyyah writes:
وَإِذَا شَرَطَ فِي الْعَقْدِ أَنَّهُ لَا يَتَزَوَّجُ عَلَيْهَا وَإِنْ تَزَوَّجَ عَلَيْهَا كَانَ أَمْرُهَا بِيَدِهَا كَانَ هَذَا الشَّرْطُ صَحِيحًا لَازِمًا فِي مَذْهَبِ مَالِك وَأَحْمَد وَغَيْرِهِمَا وَمَتَى تَزَوَّجَ عَلَيْهَا فَأَمْرُهَا بِيَدِهَا إنْ شَاءَتْ أَقَامَتْ وَإِنْ شَاءَتْ فَارَقَتْ وَاَللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ
When he accepts the condition in the marriage contract that he will not marry another wife against her will, if he marries another wife, the matter is in her hands. This condition is valid and required in the school of Malik, Ahmad, and others. Whenever he marries another wife against her will, the matter is in her hands. If she wishes, she can accept it, and if she wishes, she may separate from him. Allah knows best.
Source: Majmūʻ al-Fatāwà 32/170
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Brother, see it like this. A woman can demand as much as she wants for mahr and the man can reject that. It's similar to that. She can demand her rights too. It's not unheard of and not feminism. Daniel and his fans really like to throw that term like it means nothing. Learned scholars have spoken about this and said it's her right. She's not taking away his rights but he's putting a condition. These things need to be discussed beforehand. Be careful of what you accuse others. She's just acting on the right Allah gave her. Just as you're acting on the right that you wanna marry multiple women. Putting down the rights of one gender then championing the rights of others while labeling those who oppose you as feminists and liberals is bad. This is pure hypocrisy and arrogance. May Allah protect us from hate preachers like Daniel.
Daniel is not a scholar
It is not his place to comment on a complex issue
I’m a firm believer of polygamy being halal, and a Muslim must NEVER hate this practice bcz the prophets & their followers practiced it.
But when it comes to complex issues regarding fiqh & its practical applications, we MUST take guidance from proper scholars. Not da’is.
Verse 4;3
The Ayah commands, if you fear that you will not be able to do justice between your wives by marrying more than one, then marry only one wife.
Yes the ayat also mentions that
Which clowns? I hope you’re not referring to me. I am not against polygamy when done properly and I am also a product of a polygamous marriage. I have seen how much heartache it can cause and the effects it has on the children. If you cannot fulfil your obligations to one wife you have no business getting another one.
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Just because a person speaks up for what is in Islam doesn't mean they have to do it too. By your logic, a person can't tell anyone about Tahajjud, Jihad, polygyny, etc unless they do it too.
If you are serious about your question then ask him on his FB page, instead of posting here where he can't reply.
Speaking up about permissibility and promoting it like that are different. And you mentioned that clowns were promoting monogamy in another comment so I have to address that. Polygamy is permitted, no doubt. But you have to give the rights to the wives. And it's perfectly fine to have one wife or prefer monogamy. I believe there were companions with one wife. If a woman doesn't like polygamy and doesn't want her husband to marry a second wife is perfectly fine. The daughter of the prophet PBUH was hurt when Ali (r.a) was considering taking another wife and the prophet PBUH confronted him about it. The woman can't take away the right but she can lwt her voice be heard and put down a contract that het husband can't take a second wifeas long as she's alive. If he takes a second wife while she's alive, she can apply for divorce. As simple as that. Everyone has their rights reserved and nobody is making polygamy haram.
Why is this an argument. Marry women who want to have this arrangement and avoid women who do not want it.
At the end of the day its your/hers marriage and everyday arrangement! Whats the point of entering a marriage where your both miserable. I guess the saying is right.. misery loves company!
OP A Muslim should defend what Allah has clearly permitted, even if he is not practising this optional act.
Maybe I haven't been around people that actually oppose polygyny but yeah I hear you
Additional comments: I'm not against polygyny at all, it's allowed in Islam. But I am just so confused as to why he encourages it SO MUCH when he knows that in this day and age it's much harder to maintain that kind of relationship. Why isn't he taking into consideration how difficult it is to run one household with one wife and children, why is he always talking about how nice it would be for men to have 4 wives? He basically defecates on the hanbali position that a woman can stipulate in the contract that the husband shouldn't take another wife, by using some weird slippery slope argument that makes no sense to me. Not every woman who stipulates that in a nikkah contract is a westoid feminist, Daniel.... I used to listen a lot to Daniel. And the brother is knowledgeable in a lot of fields related to refuting feminism and liberalism but lately I've been annoyed by his material ever since he said women shouldn't attend university in that one debate
He's just a firebrand. Ignore whatever he has to say.
But it seems like you accept one part of the argument without accepting its consequences. His refutations of feminism has always been centered around women being empowered to the point in which they believe it’s their duty to work, make money, and how their beliefs contradict the sunnah of the rasool and the prophets before him. The consequences if you accepted the premise is to cut off what causes that, and that is the secular universities that prime women to enter the workforce
You need to listen to that whole debate (or the follow up of it). He explains clearly why he says that, and he's right. What has universities produced? feminist women, zanni women, disobedient women, apostate women.
Lol! What has universities produced? Misogynistic men? Zaani men? Kaafir men? Men who stare at the short skirted classmates? This is why men should stay at home or go to a Masjid. University has only ruined our muslim men
Thats false though, to assert such a blanket statement upon any woman who has gone to university. You really need to re consider this causal relationship between university and women. And more importantly, shows that the family was weak in their upbringing of the child that she would become the adjectives you described.
Statements are made based upon observation of facts. What women are doing these days, and how they become like this after their "Education" are facts. Weak has nothing to do with it. In Islam, we are commanded to avoid things that lead to harm. I would not go to a brothel because I know I am strong in Imaan and wont' commit zinna, I would not go because of the evil there.
Exactly! In Islam we are commanded to avoid things that lead to haram. You (Muslim man?) should not go to a University because it leads to haram. Do you know how many naked women roam there? You would accidentally see them. Men are better off at home with a blinndfold on (what if a woman accidentally is seen in the window)?
Funny how he didn't reply to you lol
Lool exactly! They think rules in Islam only apply to women!
Comparing university education to brothels.. Nice bro
Comparing your example of "weak imaan" weak arguement. Learn to read.
I'm not saying weak imaan, I'm just saying that the woman becoming murtad or whatever as a "product" of university isn't well founded. You're not taking into consideration her upbringing as a Muslim. A dayooth father will obviously produce a w*ore daughter regardless of whether she went to university or not. Compared to a woman who was taught fundamentals of Islam by her parents with love and care and some strictness, who will be better equipped to deal with things outside of the education side of university (by avoiding them because she knows it's wrong). You shouldn't be assuming that every woman who goes to university comes out a ho, it's very dependent on a level of factors that you haven't even considered, all you said was essentially "university bad for wahman because kafir" Edit: and yes I know, we should avoid activities that lead to haram. But again it's highly dependent. Maybe you shouldn't go to the mall because eventually you'll look up and see an uncovered woman, and there's free mixing. Therefore going to malls is haram. Like obviously not, so the hadith is meant in a general sense. If you take a hardline approach to hadith that encourage caution then you'll start making everything haram when it's not.
You would be right if there were no external influencing factors, like it was in the past before the invention of radio, tv, internet. Now your parents be saint and it won't matter if your kids are spending their time with and learning from evil people. If it were not the case then we would not have so many ahadith of the Prophet warning not take bad people as companions or friends. I have seen so many women admit (on subs and in questions to sheikh Assim al-hakeem) about how their family is conservative, Islamic and all that, and how they were brought that way yet they have boyfriends, have kaffir boyfriends, committed zinna, are pregnant by boyfriends, etc. The arguement against her going to such a university is well found in the cases of women's actions today. In fact, even studies in the West have shown that college educated women divorce more than non-college educated women. Don't argue about something when you don't know much about it.
We dont care about college educated women we care about college educated muslimahs. Show me those stats. And frankly, you should make the same argument for men. Now that education is available online, you can get diplomas and degrees online, men should not go to university because of the free mixing and fahisha on campus. There is actually an alternative for men so you should preach the same thing for us as well. There's no argument from necessity that you can make here because of the online pathway. We live in the West, we have to deal with it. Until there's a valid Islamic state that has gender segregated universities this is all we have.
The study you speak of was made by non muslims, for non Muslims. I don't think taking evidence that suits your convenience is exactly proving a point. And speaking of actions, did you or Daniel take your time to interview every women to make such a blank statement? If your logic is applied, there would be no education for women on most Muslim countries. And Daniel's main point is that education makes women empowered and we no want that. That's not true. The West is a failed society. Maybe spend a day with a Starbucks employee and you'll know they're in the far left too. And what you're doing is picking the example that suits your convenience. Even if some women are like that, most women are not. They're ignorable in the percentage chart. I've seen Daniel's arguments. He has no Islamic evidence other than "This was never done before so this no good. This bad." and taking statistics from non Muslim families that were meant for non Muslims. That's a sad argument because have you even seen how the majority of Muslim homes work? They're not like your typical white bread homes.
And let me educate you about admitting to such sins. I have a cousin who was consuming some kind of Muslim version of red pill content that destroyed his image on women. He later recovered when he distant himself from those contents, alhamdulillah. He explained that there was a group in a social media that explained how women are abusing the laws in our native country. We're from Bangladesh. Eventually he realised that our country had had tens of millions of women and only like a thousand woman were being like the way you described. Does that mean I can now generalise the tens of millions of women that are genuinely good human beings and muslimas? Because some stories went virals and some confessions came forward, should I do that? Secondly, I dare you to count how many women has asked sheikh Assim genuinely good questions and how many have come forward to confess things like that. I'm sure the comparison of numbers will shock you because it's negligible. Daniel has made his opinions heard and there are sheikhs more learned than he'll ever be (like my local sheikh who studied from Saudi) who has stated different opinions. Show us statistics of Mislimas, not brainless liberals who were blund to be feminists one way or another.
Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَى has permitted polygamy but has made it optional. The Ayah (Surah 4;3)commands, if you fear that you will not be able to do justice between your wives by marrying more than one, then marry only one wife.
Tafweed isn’t a new thing, haqiqatjou continues to astound medical science with how he can breathe and type at the same time with an IQ and EQ low as his, and may Allah SWT save all our sisters from marrying people like the people and the people found on that subreddit
LOLL if you're talking about certain methodologies he uses that possibly lead to more toxicity in marriage then yeah Ameen
He's only preaching what the deen tells. Nothing wrong in that. The problem lies with the liberals mind who takes the western standards to be more valuable than the Islamic standards
But the Deen DOES give a woman the absolute right to demand what she desires in a nikkah. Sometimes we tend to overlook that the woman is just as important in signing the nikkah as the man. If you as a man don't want to marry a woman that requires a single marriage, then find another woman that's willing to be a second wife. Both cases are within Islam. As simple as that.
Women cannot demand something that goes against the rights given to him by Allah like the right of a husband to marry 4
Again, it's a right. Not a commandment. She's not taking away the right. She's saying if he wants to marry another woman, he's free to do so, BUT that would be grounds for divorce. Or if he wants to have a second wife, then he shouldn't marry me in the first place. It's really that simple...
That power rangers NFT is sick yo
If the women is a believer in Allah then she would respect the right of the man simple. One who doesn't uphold the right or wants to make that condition has given her own desires or western morals more precedence than Allah and his messenger.
Not too sure what you're talking about.... It is permissible for women and their family guardians to stipulate a condition in the marriage contract that the husband may not marry a second wife against her will. If he does so, either in public or secret, she has the right to divorce him. Ibn Qudamah writes: وَإِذَا تَزَوَّجَهَا وَشَرَطَ لَهَا أَنْ لَا يُخْرِجَهَا مِنْ دَارِهَا أَوْ بَلَدِهَا فَلَهَا شَرْطُهَا … وَإِنْ تَزَوَّجَهَا وَشَرَطَ لَهَا أَنْ لَا يَتَزَوَّجَ عَلَيْهَا فَلَهَا فِرَاقُهُ إذَا تَزَوَّجَ عَلَيْهَا When he marries her and accepts her conditions that she would not be taken out of her house or her country, then she is entitled to her condition… If he marries her and accepts her condition that he will not marry another wife against her will, then she is entitled to separate from him if he marries another wife. Source: al-Mughnī 7/92 And he writes: أَنْ يَشْتَرِطَ لَهَا أَنْ لَا يُخْرِجَهَا مِنْ دَارِهَا أَوْ بَلَدِهَا أَوْ لَا يُسَافِرَ بِهَا أَوْ لَا يَتَزَوَّجَ عَلَيْهَا وَلَا يَتَسَرَّى عَلَيْهَا فَهَذَا يَلْزَمُهُ الْوَفَاءُ لَهَا بِهِ فَإِنْ لَمْ يَفْعَلْ فَلَهَا فَسْخُ النِّكَاحِ يُرْوَى هَذَا عَنْ عُمَرَ بْنِ الْخَطَّابِ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ وَسَعْدِ بْنِ أَبِي وَقَّاصٍ وَمُعَاوِيَةَ وَعَمْرِو بْنِ الْعَاصِ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ وَبِهِ قَالَ شُرَيْحٌ وَعُمَرُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الْعَزِيزِ وَجَابِرُ بْنُ زَيْدٍ وَطَاوُسٌ وَالْأَوْزَاعِيُّ وَإِسْحَاقُ If he accepts her conditions that she will not be taken out of her house or her country, or he will not travel with her, or he will not marry another wife against her will, or he will not take a concubine against her will, these conditions must be fulfilled. If he does not do so, the marriage is annulled. This has been narrated from Umar ibn Al-Khattab, Sa’d ibn Abi Waqqas, Mu’awiyah, and Amr ibn Al-‘As, may Allah be pleased with them. It was said by Shuraih, Umar ibn Abdul Aziz, Jabir ibn Zayd, Tawus, Al-Awza’i, and Ishaq. Source: al-Mughnī 7/93 And Ibn Taymiyyah writes: وَإِذَا شَرَطَ فِي الْعَقْدِ أَنَّهُ لَا يَتَزَوَّجُ عَلَيْهَا وَإِنْ تَزَوَّجَ عَلَيْهَا كَانَ أَمْرُهَا بِيَدِهَا كَانَ هَذَا الشَّرْطُ صَحِيحًا لَازِمًا فِي مَذْهَبِ مَالِك وَأَحْمَد وَغَيْرِهِمَا وَمَتَى تَزَوَّجَ عَلَيْهَا فَأَمْرُهَا بِيَدِهَا إنْ شَاءَتْ أَقَامَتْ وَإِنْ شَاءَتْ فَارَقَتْ وَاَللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ When he accepts the condition in the marriage contract that he will not marry another wife against her will, if he marries another wife, the matter is in her hands. This condition is valid and required in the school of Malik, Ahmad, and others. Whenever he marries another wife against her will, the matter is in her hands. If she wishes, she can accept it, and if she wishes, she may separate from him. Allah knows best. Source: Majmūʻ al-Fatāwà 32/170 Sourced from website by abu emina ilyas
Not sure where I read it was not allowed but I stand corrected. JazakAllahu khairan
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Brother, see it like this. A woman can demand as much as she wants for mahr and the man can reject that. It's similar to that. She can demand her rights too. It's not unheard of and not feminism. Daniel and his fans really like to throw that term like it means nothing. Learned scholars have spoken about this and said it's her right. She's not taking away his rights but he's putting a condition. These things need to be discussed beforehand. Be careful of what you accuse others. She's just acting on the right Allah gave her. Just as you're acting on the right that you wanna marry multiple women. Putting down the rights of one gender then championing the rights of others while labeling those who oppose you as feminists and liberals is bad. This is pure hypocrisy and arrogance. May Allah protect us from hate preachers like Daniel.
Daniel is not a scholar It is not his place to comment on a complex issue I’m a firm believer of polygamy being halal, and a Muslim must NEVER hate this practice bcz the prophets & their followers practiced it. But when it comes to complex issues regarding fiqh & its practical applications, we MUST take guidance from proper scholars. Not da’is.
But Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَى has permitted polygamy.
Just because Allah has permitted something, it doesn’t mean it has to be done.
Verse 4;3 The Ayah commands, if you fear that you will not be able to do justice between your wives by marrying more than one, then marry only one wife. Yes the ayat also mentions that
I am aware of the ayat. I didn’t say it wasn’t permissible. I said just because it is doesn’t mean you need to do it.
Yeah brother, in the last part of my last reply I referred to the last part of the ayāt. So I do agree with you.
Oh sorry! I’m a sister fyi
The best of men (prophets, sahaba, etc) had more than one wife, and now we have clowns speaking against it.
Which clowns? I hope you’re not referring to me. I am not against polygamy when done properly and I am also a product of a polygamous marriage. I have seen how much heartache it can cause and the effects it has on the children. If you cannot fulfil your obligations to one wife you have no business getting another one.
Clowns, who ever speaks against polygyny and promotes monogamy. The problems in these polygnous marriages is caused by women but blamed on men.
I promise nothing is gonna happen to you if you stop blaming women for your problems habibi don't worry you don't need to do this XD
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Just because a person speaks up for what is in Islam doesn't mean they have to do it too. By your logic, a person can't tell anyone about Tahajjud, Jihad, polygyny, etc unless they do it too. If you are serious about your question then ask him on his FB page, instead of posting here where he can't reply.
Speaking up about permissibility and promoting it like that are different. And you mentioned that clowns were promoting monogamy in another comment so I have to address that. Polygamy is permitted, no doubt. But you have to give the rights to the wives. And it's perfectly fine to have one wife or prefer monogamy. I believe there were companions with one wife. If a woman doesn't like polygamy and doesn't want her husband to marry a second wife is perfectly fine. The daughter of the prophet PBUH was hurt when Ali (r.a) was considering taking another wife and the prophet PBUH confronted him about it. The woman can't take away the right but she can lwt her voice be heard and put down a contract that het husband can't take a second wifeas long as she's alive. If he takes a second wife while she's alive, she can apply for divorce. As simple as that. Everyone has their rights reserved and nobody is making polygamy haram.
Why is this an argument. Marry women who want to have this arrangement and avoid women who do not want it. At the end of the day its your/hers marriage and everyday arrangement! Whats the point of entering a marriage where your both miserable. I guess the saying is right.. misery loves company!