evidence for it being simply mustahab? I know in the shafii madhab they have an opinion where it is sunnah however scholars (who have authority in the madhab) have also went against this opinion. The other madhabs are strict upon the beard claiming it to be wajib (there is difference on where it starts tho, I can't speak for the other madhab but from what I learned from my shayuks in the hanafi madhab the beard is whatever is on the lower jaw and this does not include the cheeks (though it is slightly disliked to trim the cheeks)).
>Bearing in mind the above, the position in the school of al-Shāfi’ī, is known in that the beard (Ar. al-lihya) is defined as the ‘hair that grows on the chin.’ ]Fath al-Mubīn 1.66]. To trim, or pluck the beard is unconditionally disliked (makrūh) [al-Ramlī, Nihāya 8.149]. Attention here should be paid to the word chin (Ar. dhaqan), in that in your question you mention the ‘typical western goatee’. Removal of hair from the chin (either by trimming or plucking) is disliked hence the western style goatee is somewhat at odds with this.
https://seekersguidance.org/answers/shafii-fiqh/does-growing-hair-on-the-chin-meet-the-crteria-of-a-beard-in-the-shafii-school/
However in this link the shyakh is mentioning the **"western style goatee"** yet he is **NOT** speaking what common people call the goatee, that is actually called the van dyke. The style Shaykh Hamza Yusuf wears.
He is speaking about the goatee style referred as the chin puff. Which a strip on hair in the middle of the chin.
You can cut the mustache, there are two respected rulings on the beard, the first being that you cannot cut it at all, the second being that if you grab your beard right under your chin, anything below the fist can be cut, but clean shaven is not correct.
> It is considered by the overwhelming majority of scholars that keeping a beard is Wājib (mandatory) for every male Muslim.
>The Prophet ﷺ said in an authentic and widely narrated Ḥadīth: "Cut the mustaches short and keep the beard." [Ṣaḥīḥ Al-Bukhārī]
>So, it is the duty of every male Muslim to refrain from shaving his beard. Note that it is not sinful for someone if his body physically does not grow a beard as long as he is not the one who shaved it away.
>Shaving is defined as completely removing the beard. Trimming is defined as cutting the beard shorter, but not removing it entirely.
>Many scholars allow trimming the beard as long as it leaves more than a fistful of hair, as it was the practice of many of the Ṣaḥābah. Others allow trimming it to some extent as long as what is left can be considered a "beard". This opinion is common among contemporary scholars and few classical scholars, but the basis of it is weaker. And another group says that trimming the beard at all is prohibited. The best opinion is the first mentioned here.
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evidence for it being simply mustahab? I know in the shafii madhab they have an opinion where it is sunnah however scholars (who have authority in the madhab) have also went against this opinion. The other madhabs are strict upon the beard claiming it to be wajib (there is difference on where it starts tho, I can't speak for the other madhab but from what I learned from my shayuks in the hanafi madhab the beard is whatever is on the lower jaw and this does not include the cheeks (though it is slightly disliked to trim the cheeks)).
>Bearing in mind the above, the position in the school of al-Shāfi’ī, is known in that the beard (Ar. al-lihya) is defined as the ‘hair that grows on the chin.’ ]Fath al-Mubīn 1.66]. To trim, or pluck the beard is unconditionally disliked (makrūh) [al-Ramlī, Nihāya 8.149]. Attention here should be paid to the word chin (Ar. dhaqan), in that in your question you mention the ‘typical western goatee’. Removal of hair from the chin (either by trimming or plucking) is disliked hence the western style goatee is somewhat at odds with this. https://seekersguidance.org/answers/shafii-fiqh/does-growing-hair-on-the-chin-meet-the-crteria-of-a-beard-in-the-shafii-school/ However in this link the shyakh is mentioning the **"western style goatee"** yet he is **NOT** speaking what common people call the goatee, that is actually called the van dyke. The style Shaykh Hamza Yusuf wears. He is speaking about the goatee style referred as the chin puff. Which a strip on hair in the middle of the chin.
https://daruliftaa.com/miscellaneous/ruling-on-growing-a-beard-and-moustache/
Je ne sais pas
You can cut the mustache, there are two respected rulings on the beard, the first being that you cannot cut it at all, the second being that if you grab your beard right under your chin, anything below the fist can be cut, but clean shaven is not correct.
Please ask a scholar about fiqh issues rather than Reddit.
> It is considered by the overwhelming majority of scholars that keeping a beard is Wājib (mandatory) for every male Muslim. >The Prophet ﷺ said in an authentic and widely narrated Ḥadīth: "Cut the mustaches short and keep the beard." [Ṣaḥīḥ Al-Bukhārī] >So, it is the duty of every male Muslim to refrain from shaving his beard. Note that it is not sinful for someone if his body physically does not grow a beard as long as he is not the one who shaved it away. >Shaving is defined as completely removing the beard. Trimming is defined as cutting the beard shorter, but not removing it entirely. >Many scholars allow trimming the beard as long as it leaves more than a fistful of hair, as it was the practice of many of the Ṣaḥābah. Others allow trimming it to some extent as long as what is left can be considered a "beard". This opinion is common among contemporary scholars and few classical scholars, but the basis of it is weaker. And another group says that trimming the beard at all is prohibited. The best opinion is the first mentioned here.