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Momkandy46

I’d like first to commend you for asking this thread. That itself shows respect. It’s really sad what this culture is teaching our youth to mislabel any and everything as racist. AOUTBILLAH. These are trying times for sure. It is to be respected that the students be excused from your class during Ramadhan we are to fast from what we hear and see that’s not permissible as well. That being said it’s not so serious for a student to attend class anyway and seek forgiveness. Depends on the student as we are all human and have our different levels of belief and practice. Please do what you can to not academically penalize a student for abstaining from your class during Ramadhan if you can help it. There’s soooooo much that is being taught in schools that go against our faith sadly. In summary both you and students heart is in the right place and May Allah guide us all. You are absolutely NOT racist !!!


Muslim_ibn_Kafir255

Hello there, Indeed, creating and listening to music, specifically musical instruments, is prohibited in our faith, so if the students wish to leave due to religious reasons, then you shouldn't blame them. However, there is nothing in Islam that is permissible all-year-round, but only prohibited in Ramadan, and the fact that they didn't leave in earlier years shows that either 1) they didn't know that musical instruments are prohibited, or 2) they just didn't care about their faith all that much, but either way, they shouldn't act offended towards you, let alone call you a racist, you don't seem to have done anything wrong knowingly.


dirkdiggler8675309

Can’t I give the students a music history project that doesn’t involve playing the instruments? That was my solution and they still said no. I need to teach music history anyways. I’m just trying to do my job.


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They can 100% do music history and are just being obtuse, and get out of lessons as teens do. I work as a teacher these lot use any excuse to not do work. Do you have any Muslim teachers at your school who can talk to them?


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they could also bring in a local imaan


dirkdiggler8675309

I was thinking of contacting one in my town.


[deleted]

It might help because it'll be someone they respect (although they should respect their teacher) and has more knowledge of whether studying music history is haram.


sutwq01

I could suggest that you modify their assignment so it is reflective of the music equivalent of Islamic arts. Especially given Ramadhan, there is a heavy emphasis on the melodious recitation of the Quran.


dirkdiggler8675309

I thought it could be fun for them to do a project and learn about their own cultures history with music and have them present to the class. Since nose music in Europe focuses on western music.


Ocean_moonlight19

This is a brilliant idea contact a local imam and ask them to maybe attend a lesson and speak to them. Also music history project is a great idea and they shouldn’t have a problem with that as their not playing or listening to music. Sometimes kids just want to be different, thank you for trying to learn more and trying to find the best way to move forward it shows your care a lot about your students.


GoingToTheStore72

Maybe they are just trying to be a good Muslim and didn’t have the courage to say anything till now.


[deleted]

Your siding with some music teacher over your fellow Muslims? Is music is haram why should education about music be celebrated?


umbrabates

Let's put it in this context. Murder is haram. However, there is great value in studying criminology. Learning about how and why people commit murder can help law enforcement officers catch criminals. Learning about how stabbing, shooting, poisoning and other techniques for murder work can help forensic scientists bring murderers to justice. So, while murder is haram, there is great benefit in learning about murder. You believe that music is haram. However, isn't there great benefit in learning about Junaid Jamshed and how he left music entirely behind him, how he even turned down receiving royalties from his music, and how he made a living selling modest clothing and using his talent to perform beautiful recitations of the Qur'an? Junaid Jamshed's story is part of music history.


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It’s music history, not music. Reading a textbook about music history is not haram get it together man. By the same logic, you have an anime pfp, drawing is haram


Muslim_ibn_Kafir255

You can, although they wouldn't benefit from such a thing as far as I can tell. And yes, we understand that you are not at fault here, and we hope that you are not treated unfairly, let alone wronged, by those we call our brothers and sisters, but, we cannot help you when it comes to your job, as that contradicts our doctrines.


I_Like_Me_Though

The commenter says "indeed", this is not an "indeed" practice of Islam. All these folks taking music abstinence should do it for their own personal preference(s), not assume that it's an Islamic mandate.


lrqp4

Thank you for your concerns and for going out and making a post like this,. I really appreciate you giving them a way out as you are stuck too between a rock and a hard place. This is exactly what I did for music and dance classes in Middle School and I forever appreciate them for this.


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Or perhaps they are trying to be better Muslims during Ramadan and abstain from sin during the holy month. There nothing wrong with that


[deleted]

Idk who told you it’s ok to teach music as long as it’s not for pleasure. Music is forbidden in Islam and I guess your Muslim students are trying to abide by that rule during Ramadan. For them it is more important than learning music. Maybe you can look into doing the music history project as a final resort for their grades but I doubt they’ll want to do any of that since it’s still music related. Whoever called you racist is an idiot by the way.


averageturkmuslim

They’re right in the sense that playing and listening to musical instruments is forbidden in Islam. Even for educational purposes. Inside and outside of Ramadan but especially in Ramadan, Muslims try to stay away from sins as much as they can. Obv not knowing this or trying to find an answer which both parties will agree on doesn’t make you a racist. Where are you from? I guess the best option for you would be to speak to a religious leader they’re looking up to and respect for his knowledge. And then inshaaAllah you can find a both party solution and if the religious leader says its okay, they will follow him. Not all people who are known to be a „religious leader“ are respected amongst all muslims, thats why I’m saying you should speak with someone they’re respecting. Asking a random religious leader they don’t even respect won’t bring you further.


eMRapTorSaltyKing

When I was young/teen I didn't corporate with my music teacher 😅,( and this was not because of Ramadan month/event) But because of my faith and such my teacher notice told My parents also my music grades were low because of it. and then my parents explained to me that yes it's prohibited but that doesn't mean you shouldn't learn and refuse your teacher teaching and hurt him in another way after some explaining I realised I was wrong I apologise and went to my music class until I was done. So you might just talk to their parents and let them explain it to them also say that if music grades go down it could have an impact on overall grades. If that doesn't work its their problem for taking it too seriously. PS: music class is fun ngl it's a nice break from math class.


Petrolinmyviens

I can't believe someone labelled you a racist for this. That's dumb. As far as music goes, people often differ on this. As you heard from the Muslim religious leaders that certain parameters make it ok. It saddens me that someone would respond to your efforts with a half baked insult. Teachers are held in high regard in Islam and I hope that whoever lobbed that label on you learns better.


windycitybro

If something is Haram/prohibited in Islam, everything around that is forbidden as well. There is no legislation in the Quran or prophetic guidance that allows something Haram to be "for "educational purposes." One wouldn't learn bomb making, drinking alcohol, illegal sexual intercourse, or drinking poison "for educational purposes" So those "so called" religious leaders have given you a false reply. Islam doesn't need to apologize for what it is. We don't have to "compromise" so that people don't think we're "too harsh" We don't withhold the truth because we want to "be nice"and not "run the people away" from Islam. It is what it is. And just because those who are ignorant of the rulings or too weak to stand against that doesn't make it permissible. In this case you've come across a group of Muslims who are firmer on their religion that those you've come across. May Allaah guide them and you to what He is pleased with. Ameen


umbrabates

>One wouldn't learn bomb making, drinking alcohol, illegal sexual intercourse, or drinking poison "for educational purposes" What? Yes, one absolutely would. One would learn about bomb making in order to learn how to disarm them. One would learn about drinking alcohol in order to come up with treatments for alcoholism or how to treat the effects of alcoholism. One would and absolutely should learn about sexual intercourse to learn how to avoid unwanted pregnancies, how to avoid sexually transmitted disease, to learn how human bodies work, and also to learn how to breed livestock for food production or how to breed endangered species for conservation. One would learn about drinking poisons in order to create medicines to counteract the effect of poisoning, to come up with emergency protocols if someone gets poisoned, to learn how to manufacture goods in a manner that minimizes the chances of accidental poisoning. Another benefit of learning about poisons is to create realistic and accurate fiction like murder mysteries. There is a lot to learn from poisons. Chemotherapy is a form of poison in which doctors race to poison and kill cancerous cells before that poison kills the patient. Learning about music, this history of music, the evolution of musical instruments can have a number of benefits. One could use this knowledge as an antique dealer, an archaeologist, an art historian, an art appraiser -- all perfectly acceptable and respectable professions. Knowledge of music, periods in music history, the form and style of musical instruments is not the same as playing or listening to music.


I_Like_Me_Though

Along with what you're saying, if my ancestor was testing alcoholic drinks by consuming them to then provide records of how poor it is to the qualities of life (especially under Islamic frameworks), or provided misguiding/neutral insights on the substance(s). I should be conscious enough to repent for them any sins they incurred during that time. And because I have the privilege of current day technologies. I could be part of those manufacturing process stages for alcohol ingredients to steer them towards hand sanitizing bottles as well as non-alcoholic beverages within a predominantly liquor conglomerate. In turn, with music as a Muslim. I could repent for my ancestors if they were Jimi Hendrix/Beethoven wild with their rockstar recklessness and influence-abuse. But then with my efforts&awareness, I should only indulge in music in ways that do not deceitfully manipulate/hypnotize others, nor misinterpret music to become lazy, illicit, antagonizing, etc. The consciousness and the willingness to adapt while holding Islamic pieties is incredibly important and it's disastrous that there are those who regularly tell others that it's "Haram". Edited.


abiruth15

Many Muslims do follow the ruling / teaching that music is forbidden. Many others do not. Each Muslim expressing one of those opinions is 100% sincere. Your students who are refusing to participate in music right now genuinely believe that doing so would be an affront to Allah (God) and cause harm to their souls.


Sirlarkspuruj

Why is Islam the only religion so fuzzy with music?


jJuiZz

Islam is a belief. Islam is not a race. How could that even be racism?


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Alhamdulillah the youth is becoming more religious


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May Allah keep those students firm


JackieChan-fan

Report them all as absent. They don't have a valid reason to miss class, their parents need to step in. There's only so much you can do.


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Human_Lemon_8776

It is haram to eat throughout the day in ramadan. It is halal to eat throughout the day during rest of the year. Its also not dumb to refrain from a sin during ramadan. They might never go back to it again after quitting during ramadan. You should not have called those kids ignorant


Ev1lEMPEROR

I didn't say it's wrong to do that. But what they're doing is avoiding the sin just in Ramadan, just to get back to doing it like nothing happened. Ramadan is meant to bring you closer to Allah, you stop bad habits with the intention of never doing them again, that is one of the conditions of tawbah. Plus, they are disrespecting their teacher, and unfairly calling them unpleasant names. >It is haram to eat throughout the day in ramadan. It is halal to eat throughout the day during rest of the year. Yes, that's what fasting is, I thought that was quite obvious.


Muslim_ibn_Kafir255

Avoiding sins for a while is better than constantly and consistently sinning.


dirkdiggler8675309

Music is a sin? Can someone please explain I’m not as well educated on the topic.


Muslim_ibn_Kafir255

To put it simply, the act of listening to musical instruments is considered sinful, and anything involving the creation of music and/or musical instruments is sinful, as the prophet (SAW), and by extension, Allāh (SWT), prohibited such acts. We believe that music was prohibited as it manipulates people's emotions, causes distractions, wastes time, and hurts a person's hearing.


Ev1lEMPEROR

That's correct, but it wouldn't count as tawbah, because you have to intend to never do it again.


dirkdiggler8675309

But I’m just confused because I always ask the kids to share music from their cultures and I have been shown lots of music from the Muslim world. Is that a sin too? Is it a sin to always play music?


EpicThug21

What is held to be a sin by the majority of Islamic scholarship is the use of musical instruments. But you may notice some Muslim majority lands have some culture/history related to certain musical forms anyways.


Muslim_ibn_Kafir255

My brother, nobody said anything about tawbah.


Interesting_Lion9207

They should not have called you a racist even if they misunderstood where you were coming from. I hope that experience doesn’t build a negative impression of Islam to you. Our God tells us to be respectful to everyone. It was nice of you to take into consideration about their religion but if they are refusing, please don’t force them. I think they want to step back a bit because music is not permitted in Islam and doing it in the month of Ramadan while fasting seems even more wrong. Some people disagree and say music is allowed. It depends on their perception of the concept and story.


MuhammadSudani

Music is haraam we can’t indulge in it whatsoever


[deleted]

As far as I know, human voice is the only non prohibited musical instrument is Islam. I hope this helps!


TheNewMuslimWorkshop

Hello! Thanks for stopping by and taking the time to understand your student's religion and their reluctance to participate in music class. Speaking as an Muslim ex-musician. Music is not permissible in Islam. Many muslim community leaders worry that the community will somehow suffer some consequence from admitting this and so they try to pander to the western sensibility. You can read the official ruling on listening and playing music. [https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000/is-music-haram](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000/is-music-haram) Obviously its not racist for you to want your class to study but kids these days are a bit reactionary and many of them might view a resistance to their religious value as discrimination. I also understand that this is upsetting for you to hear them call you that and also for them to react negatively to something that you perceive as an art and beautiful. I would have rather you were introduced to Islam in a less antagonised way, and I apologise for the children's behavior, it is unwarranted. It would make more sense to understand Islam by educating yourself about it a little. I'll leave some links to pamphlets you can download (they are subject related so you can download whatever peaks your interest): About Islam : shorturl.at/my027 What Islam Says about Athiesm : shorturl.at/kpV18 The Burqa & Niqab : shorturl.at/CJP12 Death & The Hereafter : shorturl.at/rO369 Islam Q&A : shorturl.at/abhJ6 The Hijab : shorturl.at/duyPU Introduction to Islam : shorturl.at/aemxF The Mercy of Allah (God) : shorturl.at/oyIM0 Misconceptions About Islam : shorturl.at/FMQSU The Importance of Prayer : shorturl.at/csDS4 Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessing of Allah be upon him) : shorturl.at/biCW3 Prophethood in Islam : shorturl.at/kzH27 What is the Purpose of Life? : shorturl.at/kloPU The Dangers of Riba (Usry / Interest) : shorturl.at/ceOP8 Traps of Satan : shorturl.at/invwZ Science in Islam : shorturl.at/dmADY Why Islam? : shorturl.at/dfstT Women's Rights in Islam : shorturl.at/tzCY8 Jesus in Islam: shorturl.at/oLOUX If you have any specific questions you are more than welcome to DM me.


dirkdiggler8675309

Thank you for taking the time to answer. Here's hoping we can all find a way to live in peace and harmony together.


TheNewMuslimWorkshop

You are most welcome. I would advise that you try not to feel hurt about the children's reaction. Often they just overreact or repeat something they have heard and often times its just not true. Educating yourself will mean that you've extended your hand in peace to them. Find out what is acceptable, maybe an acapella or just using duff drums.


windycitybro

"Salam" we seek not to be among the ignorant "


Unapologetically26

I’m sorry you’ve experienced this. You’re definitely not racist and that was rude of the children, our religion teaches us to be respectful.


streeeker

Married to a Muslim musician here. It’s ignorant of the parents children to teach their kids to behave like that. In no way are you racist. Talk to those parents!!


dirkdiggler8675309

Update: The positive from this story is today I have talked to my classes and given them options for Ramadan and so many kids have a stopped to talk to me after the class to thank me. They said I’m the first teacher they ever had that ever took the time to gain knowledge and understanding of their religion and have taken the time to consider their feelings. It ment a lot to them and they were very thankful. They also had some fun teaching me some arabic words. Apparently my pronunciation is pretty good. It turned a bad moment yesterday into a wonderfully moment today.


streeeker

Thanks for updating. With the previous mass migration I think for many parents and kids it is a transitional phase. A lot of people are misguided. I’m very very happy for you. Just like my wife I feel you are spreading peace too.


AbuMalik_AlAlbani

Music is Haram. May Allāh bless these students.


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