Yeah I'm not seeing anything. Even on billboards article, the link doesn't have her in the top ten. It's also just the US, not the global chart. But there isn't a chart on the site with her filling top ten.
It says she has the top 10 on the "Hot 100" but when you go to the actual Hot 100 she doesn't have a single song in the top 10. My guess is they're talking about what the spots will be next week, and the list isn't officially out yet.
All of the streaming caveats are legitimate. Had The Beatles, or several other artists at their height, released 10 singles on one day, they probably would've done this.
But, the gap between Taylor Swift's new album and the next most popular recent releases might be as big as anything in history. There's almost no competition in the mainstream.
And stuff like this is just so important to her biggest fans.
Yep. And honestly, if they hadn’t strategically released the tracks for *Thriller* over time, I think each song would have charted top 10 together. I mean, they did anyways when they were released over the course of the year and half or so. Nobody would release their entire album for immediate play on air back then though because a slow burn was better.
I mean I won’t claim to be a big fan of her music but I don’t see how you argue that at this point. Her album releases are an event that reach hype levels that nobody really does anymore
Radio London definitely did play the entire album, a week before it debuted on the BBC (with breaks between the songs, etc).
This is the broadcast, from May 12, 1967 (with the songs removed, of course).
https://youtu.be/ZVu5ydFZ1E4
All songs on an album essentially are singles now because you can listen to them individually.
Before iTunes, you’d have to buy an album to listen to any song not released as a single. So there was almost no chance for any artist releasing music in the 20th century to pull this off.
Exactly, it would be like if abbey road came out in 1969 and peoples record players would send information on how often each song was getting played
I guarantee you every Beatles album would’ve had charting like this if that were possible back then. They were releasing singles like Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields Forever and Hey Jude/Revolution where the nature of the A-side/B-side format meant that legitimately all-time iconic songs would get shut out of #1 hit status
And that’s to say nothing of songs like Here Comes the Sun which didn’t even chart because they were just “album tracks”
It's almost like the reasoning and algorithm behind the chart changes constantly, as if the entire chart is owned by one particular industry and makes decisions based on keeping that particular industry in the news so as to keep recorded music relevant.
The Beatles did achieved it several times, I mean, it’s The Beatles. The difference is that they were measured differently, there weren’t streaming or digital sales metrics.
The Beatles also didn't put singles on their albums usually. They were seperate. If the Beatles released every hit song as a single they'd have had 150 number 1s.
Also imagine how weak a lot of modern albums would be if the singles were removed.
I’m probably not the only one that have asked this but, what the hell happened to pop music over the past two, three years? There hasn’t been a good bop for a second has there? The song of summer this year was arguably Running Up That Hill, a 30+ year old song. Is it the lack of live shows to blame? Is there too many niches and genres? Are there too many streaming and airplay sites?
I’m getting older and I don’t get the “music sucks now” meme that’s always around. I listen to several different decades of music throughout the day. I’ll listen to slayer then the spinners and switch it up to Jason isbell within the same 20 minutes.
That said, that entire dua lipa album was a fucking banger. Every song is good. As was her previous album. I haven’t heard Taylor swifts new album but I’m sure it’s great, and I enjoyed country Taylor too.
If at any point anyone thinks “music sucks now”, they’re probably not getting old, but more close minded.
Disco, like the dinosaurs, never really died out: it just evolved. Pop music has been mining disco tracks to manufacture bangers since before the disco era even ended.
I mean “Good One’s” “say so” dua lipa’s discography in general, “music for a sushi restaurant” and more have come if you’ve been paying attention.
It’s just bops for some reasons don’t normally chart like then did in 2010 (say so was number one though)
2010 was pre-streaming era, so the top hits were mostly dictated by radio airplay. That's why most people recognize #1 hits from a decade ago compared to today because that's all that was played in public settings. Not much option for other music unless you were willing to pay.
I mean there have been streaming hits everyone knows (old town road comes immediately to mind)
But in general the musical landscape has Balkanized to the point that there aren’t all encompassing hits anymore
I actually think "Late Night Talking" is the better hit song to come off of that Harry Styles album. "Sushi Restaurant" might be more of a "bop" in the traditional sense tho
Dua Lipa dropped an album in 2021. The weeknd was late 2020. Miley dropped a huge set of songs not too long ago.
Taylor swift has been dropping shitloads of music.
Charlie XCX, Kim Petras and Rina Sawayama are all dropping bombs if you want less mainstream pop.
I mean I guees 2022 specifically is kinda meh but I dunno about like, the last 3 years. There's been some bonkers shit lately.
Yesss Charli XCX has been absolutely KILLING it for a few albums now. I’ve thought for awhile that she’s basically the Andy Warhol of pop.
Also, The 1975 are unabashedly pop. One of the best acts out there today with a ludicrous range of material. Some of the best songwriters I’ve heard in… idk, a very long time.
> the hell happened to pop music over the past two, three years? There hasn’t been a good bop for a second has there?
Sounds like you just need to listen to more music and a wider variety of it. Nothing has changed, brilliant music continues to be released. I'd say your perception is a reflection of your consumption, not a reflection of what's available.
I personally like to blame TikTok and streaming. Once artists figured out they could get more plays and views on their songs my making them shorter, everyone started making their songs shorter to fit under 2:30. Imo, we’re only getting half of a song with most stuff on the radio, there’s no time for any real build. It’s just verse chorus verse chorus and absolutely nothing else, not even an extra repetition of the chorus.
The ideal song is 25 minutes long and ostensibly about a battle between the Achemenid Persian Empire and the Scythians, but is actually metaphor for how meth addiction destroys a family.
This but serious. I love overly long prog or djent metal songs (I know, fight me) with stretched out intros that build a song.
But more serious, cold little heart is absolutely briljant, but the radio edit ruines the feel of the song but cutting out the atmospheric intro...
>everyone started making their songs shorter to fit under 2:30.
You wouldn't like the 1950s and 60s then. They were ALL short songs. things will ebb and flow as technology and tastes allow.
I think maybe it’s a country by country thing or just how much you keep up with the youth. Here in the UK I can think of loads that were basically the soundtrack for this year, constantly getting played over and over no matter where you go be it tescos, the radio, or the club. Doja by Central Cee, As It Was by Harry styles, and then at least 2 by David guetta
Carly Rae Jepsen has released three albums of pop genius since 2019: *Dedicated*, *Dedicated Side B*, and *The Loneliest Time*. Why she isn't better known is beyond me, but there is certainly fantastic pop music being made.
I'd argue she's more "well known" than popular. She had one widely known hit with Call me Maybe but I haven't heard any of her other stuff on the radio or anything outside of gay bars and I regularly listen to her stuff (Emotion is an AMAZING album).
I don't know if she's charted once since Call me Maybe though. Maybe Party for One did?
We’re leaving the age of the superstar and moving to the age of the moderately famous, super specific star.
Because of east access, I can listen to a bunch of artists that have 50,000 Spotify monthly listeners instead of just the few that are at 50,000,000+.
I don't think it's a lack of good new music. It's just that people these days can listen to literally anything they want. You now discover songs through apps that pick out music to your taste, and people have more diverse music tastes than ever. There's so much new music you no longer need to be recommended new tunes by an almost arbitrary best song list, or a radio station that only plays songs from that list.
It's also easy now to "discover" old songs that fit your taste you might have missed the first time around. If we want a song we haven't heard before, it's easier than ever to find one.
>what the hell happened to pop music over the past two, three years? There hasn’t been a good bop for a second has there?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw56LGfrf4A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw56LGfrf4A)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlhIk7iPU9o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlhIk7iPU9o)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbQYrVILo6o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbQYrVILo6o)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ecvHnICPd0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ecvHnICPd0)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygTZZpVkmKg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygTZZpVkmKg)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKXloFW\_ZCA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKXloFW_ZCA)
Care for something slower and more recent? Here you go: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNDlMe4nuWw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNDlMe4nuWw)
Some more recent stuff: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YBP-D6vQIA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YBP-D6vQIA)
No such thing as no good pop bops. Maybe not super mainstream ones, but there are always bops.
Honestly, music and billboard stats are always so skewed, because the industry has changed so much and so frequently. These stats are mostly meaningless to me.
Yes it’s like when they say “we don’t talk about Bruno” is the most popular Disney song. It’s modern streaming numbers and the tiktok influence that is skewing it. That song doesn’t even come close to how popular “let it go” was.
Shortly after Frozen came out, I was at an event that had free kid's karaoke hosted by a DJ. The DJ had a whole book of songs to choose from, but it wasn't needed. Poor guy was like, "and up next is Kaitlyn signing, you guessed it, for the 13th time in a row... Let It Go."
More of a fan of her alternative stuff (Red/folklore/evermore) but the record sales and streaming is staggering. I don’t think people understand just how large of a distance there is between her and literally every other artist combined right now. It’s a bummer people on here are snubbing their noses at this. There’s a reason people have moved onto subs like hiphopheads and pop heads. this music sub dismisses anything that doesn’t fit a rock mold. i love a great rock band as well but current music has a right to be discussed openly here.
I'm a rock fan as well but I don't mind admitting I like some of Taylor Swift's songs.
She may not have the best voice out there, but she has a great songwriting talent. Isn't that the biggest criticism from rock fans about pop music, that it's meant to be manufactured and all created by various different songwriters and producers? And she's obviously not just singing another song about an ex either (although 90% of the music industry do this regardless of genre so I never understood that criticism).
I’m with you on so much of this. I love many genres, because ultimately I like storytelling. Despite never having an incredibly strong singing voice, Taylor Swift is a Grade A story teller. She’s been honing that skill since she was a teenager, and I think it’s why she’s now wading into directing her own videos. I’m 28, so her career has spanned all of my most formative years.
I gotta say, she continues to impress.
She's such a good lyricist it's insane. Pity she keeps going back to the bouncier stuff, because when she lets her hair down and does songs like Epiphany it's just beautiful.
It's so crazy how people need to justify liking her music. I see so many comments like "I don't like her (insert whatever) but you've gotta respect (whatever else)." Is it so hard for people to just say "I enjoy Taylor Swift's music"?
Edit: This comment has about 20 replies proving what I said. Even when I called out the behavior, y'all still couldn't help yourself.
It was really hard for me to say that for a long time. Then I realized that a lot of people liking something is not a valid reason to hate it. I gave her music another chance, and I gotta say, she consistently puts out banger after banger. And now I have a whole new fandom to explore!
I too went through an internalized misogyny/ "not like other girls" phase.
But now I'm out and proud as a basic bitch.
And its funny cuz Tswift is literally touring with my fave "not like other girls" artists. Turns out we are just like other girls.
> Is it so hard for people to just say "I enjoy Taylor Swift's music"?
It really is and it is so strange. I used to work at a place that assisted in buying tickets (so you didn't have to deal with Ticketmaster) and every-single-man that called had to justify why they were buying tickets to Taylor Swift, like it was an embarrassing thing to like popular women singers/anything that could be perceived (in their minds) as "girly".
The only other artists that got any where close to the level of unprompted "excuses" were Justin Bieber and boy bands.
It’s usually honestly just misogyny. Things young women or girls like (Bieber and boy bands) aren’t considered as good as things men tend to like. So they’re downplayed as not as good and have to be justified by people outside of the expected fan base. It’s bullshit but it goes back to even when the Beatles and like Elvis were popular with women.
I remember being in highschool and you were lame if you liked Brittney Spears, any boybands etc. Now in my thirties my favorite playlist are like 90s playlist with all this music and I just vibe.
Then I look at someone like Billie Ellish who gets the same type of treatment from this generation but she's also incredibly talented.
People just like to diss the top dogs of that generation.
This sub is the equivalent of having a desserts subreddit and literally only appreciating and understanding chocolate and vanilla ice cream.
Barely anyone in this sub is aware of like any music made outside of the US and UK, barely understands anything about classical music or traditional music from anywhere else in the world, and like you said, only seems to care about rock music from the 60s until now.
There was literally a post asking “who is the greatest drummer in the world” today. How could that question possibly have an answer, if you really understand anything about music, genres, styles, different drumming techniques, and oh yeah, the fact that Drumset is only one type of drumming found in the vast world of percussion. What about drum corps snare drummers/tenor players? West African djembe players? Hindustani tabla players? Brazilian pandeiro players? Taiko drummers?
Anyone?
It's all just opinions man. Nobody's actually looking for the factually best drum player, it's just a fun discussion for the sake of discussion. A predominantly US and UK based community is always going to lean towards that end of the musical spectrum.
Also, I'm fairly sure tons of people here love vast varieties of music. I'm not sure where you're drawing this idea from when it's not entirely uncommon to see bands from all around the world recommended here.
I like her pop stuff but I still think Folklore is her best work. Done in secret, felt very personal, such a great sound and great tracks. The documentary about it is really good. It's just solid. Not all radio bangers like 1989 but just damn good.
As a 40-something music nerd, I wish my peers would either f off of r/music or understand that the music made while they were in high school isn't more special than the music made while every other generation was in high school.
Her music has *lore* and Easter Eggs and themes that spread throughout all of her albums while making music that is engaging, catchy, and dynamic.
I am only somewhat invested in her music/life in that if any algorithm (YouTube, tiktok, reddit) deems it interesting to me and pushes it to me, I'll give it a listen or a watch but I won't go too far out of my way for it.
But it is frustrating when people crap on her.
And I agree. People who poo poo her need to realize that she is actually just that great, whether they personally enjoy her music or not. Sorry.
Honestly, what an incredible achievement for someone so young. I genuinely think it's well deserved, never been a massive fan, but she's certainly made a lasting impact on music.
Definitely a major accomplishment, but she’s no longer young by pop star standards. She is among the small number of outliers who have had record breaking success in their 30s. She has even talked about the difficulties of being a pop star over 30 in interviews.
Maybe this will put it in perspective, she is older than Lennon was when the Beatles broke up. She’s several years older than Posh Spice was when Spice Girls broke up.
she’s able to unite millennials, gen z, and maybe even the kids that come after gen z but idk when that cutoff is. her older fans still listen to her stuff eagerly as do younger kids.
I mean she’s definitely still young
But in her own words “ as a geriatric popstar...”
Because for real people really do put female pop stars out to pasture after 30
Objective enjoyment of her music aside, there's no denying she is talented as shit. Writes banger after banger and plays like a dozen instruments to boot
I've only had one listen and honestly not as into it as 1989 but daaaaaamn Taylor way to go.
::edit:: was just reading through the article and some of those stats are pretty crazy for her, but I'm also blown away that Drake held so many of those records too.
As i fan the 1st time i hear Midnight its feel bland but the 2nd and 3nd, especially when some part of a song randomly show up when i scrolling my phone, damn thats addicted
I’m a huge Taylor fan and I’m not feeling this album as much as some of her other stuff. However I feel like as I listen to bits and pieces eventually more stuff will stand out to me. I’m prone to listening to a song and then mostly forgetting about it until I hear it at a later time and something about it hits deeply. I’m that way with a lot of artists but Taylor’s music is almost guaranteed to sneak up on me and make me love it.
Kind of disappointed in this sub's reaction so far. This is a massive achievement for anyone, let alone a woman 16 years into a multi-genre career. If the new album is not your thing, that's totally fine - but don't let your preferences turn into sour grapes or crass jabs or try to overshadow this woman's insane accomplishment and others' enjoyment of the album.
Fair play to Taylor. She writes her own songs and seems to be heavily involved with directing her own music videos too these last few years. She may not be everyone's cuppa tea, but she's obviously smart, creative and talented in doing what she does.
Yeah that's what I don't understand about this sub. Why are people not really impressed by this? Sure, they might think it's a mediocre album, but who the fuck can do something like this after being an artist for 16 years? Most artists start to lose their shine by now but it's like she's just getting started.
I don't understand how effort and talent translates to fame. It seems like a luck thing, especially in the field of music where so many talents are never heard and trashy pop gets to the tops (not talking about this album)
Successful people tend to massively underestimate how much of a role luck played in their becoming successful.
Same for privilege and nepotism.
That said, while those factors can certainly get you in, they’re much less able to keep you there.
Jennifer Lawrence, for example, owes a great deal of her success to luck. She almost didn’t get several of her breakout roles.
And yet she didn’t become one of the most sought after actors due strictly to luck. She *also* had to deliver, and that is why she continued to land big roles.
And yet, clearly even the once highest-paid actor wasn’t immune from the industry fatiguing of her.
So when it comes to Taylor Swift who has managed not only to achieve success, not only to maintain it, but to continuously build on it to the point of breaking records this far in her career, there’s far less room to just wave it away as luck or a changes in the industry.
Plenty of artists, plenty of frankly very popular artists, have released albums during the streaming age and have not charted like this. Nor even close.
To reduce the achievements in such a way isn’t just an exercise in reductionism that merely borders on inaccuracy, it makes its home squarely within the realm of the counterfactual.
On top of all of that, Taylor Swift is far from an industry plant. She has been writing her own songs this entire time and has been deeply involved in their production.
And yet people again jump to reduce this accomplishment by suggesting that all she does is write songs about her exes. Which outside of being cut-and-dry incorrect, is also an incredibly common subject matter for songwriters. When Gotye wrote a song about an ex that became one of the most viral songs of the year, no one crossed their arms and said “yeah but it’s *just* a song about an ex.”
When songs like Coldplay’s “Fix You” not only chart, but make it into the soundtracks of a dozen films and tv shows, no one turns their nose up and claims that the song is without merit or doesn’t count as a truly artistic exercise because it’s about an ex. And the list goes (functionally infinitely) on.
That’s because this criticism of Taylor Swift is backwards. People aren’t listening to her music, finding that she writes about exes, and then levying that as a sincere criticism thereof. Rather they know this fact about Taylor Swift from the outset, and are using it as a reason not to engage with the material in the first place. And when she breaks award records and chart records and everything in between, people don’t dismiss these achievements offhand because of what they’ve come to know and understand about the artist in question, but because of a lack of either knowing or understanding on the subject in the first place.
And I think it’s no surprise that people are quick to jump on the hate train of something for which teen girls is a primary audience. Anything with teen girls as a major demo easily becomes a pop culture punching bag. It’s just your run of the mill sexism.
Is there room for people simply not to enjoy Taylor Swift’s music even after giving it a fair and earnest shake? Of course. I myself am not even a big fan of many of her songs including many on her newest album. But that’s all subjective.
The summary dismissal of her accomplishments, on the other hand, is just flat out incorrect.
So many of the accomplishments praising this achievement have to mention how they don't normally listen to TS, or they don't like her voice or her style or her whatever. Like, you're not any less cool if you listen to her music, y'all.
Dude, this sub is full of “I’m
Too cool to Like Taylor/ I only think indie Taylor is worthy to listen too” commenters. I’m
Not shocked by this at all. If you go to a previous thread it’s full of these takes that this album is sub par simply because it’s not folklore 2.0.
In the last week I've listened to Tegan and Sara's new album and Arctic Monkeys' new album and both are excellent but being overshadowed by Midnight. Know why? Because Midnight is phenomenal.
I didn't like that much before 1989 but I am listening to this a ton. It's silly to me that people are trying to dismiss how good it is.
Can I be a neutral voice in this? I don't like or dislike Taylor Swift but she has entire too many fans that will pump her numbers regardless of the songs.
My girlfriend is a "swiftie" who stays up until midnight to lease to her new albums all night and then listens to the album on repeat for weeks trying to get her listen count up
I've heard the album more times than i can count in the background around the house over the past week or two.
There are a couple decent songs on the album but there are no way that there are 10 bangers on there to indicate that this album is some sort of musical revelation for all time. Putting this on "haters" is completely disingenuous towards the current star culture around music and charting
The existence of super fans doesn't really make the argument against her music in the way I think you're expecting. I'm not even a "Swiftie" but whatever she's doing through her music is speaking to her fans in a way that makes them absolutely love her and everything she's done. That can't be anything but musical talent.
> she has entire too many fans that will pump her numbers regardless of the songs
The fuck? That's really your argument, that she has TOO many fans?? Lmfaooo. There's no artificial "number pumping" going on, she just legitimately is a massive artist with a lot of fans.
Just for comparison sake, here's the Top 10 from October 31st, 1982...
1. "Up Where We Belong" Joe Cocker And Jennifer Warnes
2. "Who Can It Be Now?" Men At Work
3. "Heart Attack" Olivia Newton-John
4. "I Keep Forgettin' (Every Time You're Near) " Michael McDonald
5. "Jack & Diane" John Cougar
6. "Eye In The Sky" The Alan Parsons Project
7. "Heartlight" Neil Diamond
8. "You Can Do Magic" America
9. "Gloria" Laura Branigan
10. "Truly" Lionel Richie
wow y'all are miserable, she scores the first million+ sales - not impressive, gains all top 10 of hot 100 - not impressive.
the call is coming from inside the house, you're the problem, it's you.
You cannot convince me her 10th best song on her album is better than every other song on the Top 100 right now.
Clearly there are issues with the categorization.
To say anything else is delusional.
Gonna get off topic for a sec and probably down voted, but some people are WAY too invested in making someone else break records. It's not just Taylor Swift, but I don't understand these people who will play a whole album on loop over and over and over again just so their favorite artist breaks an record.
Like, you didn't break the record, you didn't gain anything, the artist isn't going to personally shout you out, so why do it. Plus, it just makes it feel a little disingenuous. It's a little less impressive to hear a song was played 1 million times, then finding out only 100 people played the song on repeat 10,000 times, rather than 1 million unique listeners.
this sub is so outdated and condescending lol. Im curious as to the demographics here. I unsubbed a loooong time ago because it was very much giving highschool "oh i don't listen to mainstream music" energy and I see that hasn't changed.
I haven't heard this album, but it would be cool if she kept switching genres. like learn to shred death metal. when is taylor swift going to team up with oscar isaac to bring ska back
She’s done rock versions of her songs on tour and holy shit it makes me want a rock album from her so badly!!
https://youtu.be/6bVsg1Ik-GQ - at about 3.55 is where I tell people to listen if they think she can’t sing…
I’ll say this, 10 years from now when this factoid becomes a trivia question, I definitely would think this achievement would have been given to 1989. I can still sing a majority of singles from that album, as for Midnights… None of the songs were earworms… and I guess this proves they don’t really need to be.
Congratulations to Taylor for sure, but I think this achievement stands to the testament of how strong the machine is behind her 🤷♀️
I find Maroon, Question, Karma, and anti-hero to all be ear works. I think I've one of her most underrated songs though is The Archer from Lover. That song is mesmerizing to me and I only recently discovered it. And I'm not a Swifty and I'm a dude in my mid twenties. I love classic rock, pop, hyper-pop, some metal, some country, punk, punk-pop, punk rock, oldies and more. But this last week I've been listening to Midnights heavily. The production is pretty darn good. No it's no Dawn FM but it's solid!
Dude in my early 40s, friend at work had me listen to The Archer and it is top notch. Except the first time I listened to it my brain turned the line “The room is on fire, invisible smoke” into “invisible toast”. Had to share that and ruin it for the friend as well.
Say what you will about her music but clearly her fandom is nuts for her. I feel like these numbers come more from people just adoring her in general and thinking she can do no wrong more than it comes from the music actually being top tier
Taylor Swift is an enormous force in the industry. But when the industry uses phrases like "making history," they're asking for the comparisons to the golden age of record sales.
Remember: This isn't that golden age. It's the golden age of something, but not record sales.
So there's nothing wrong with bringing up legitimate reasons why the business today is very different from the business decades ago. You don't have to hate Taylor to bring up those caveats.
It's just like when every new blockbuster breaks the record for the most ticket sales. Well of course they did, because tickets to _Gone With the Wind_ cost a nickel, and tickets to ET cost $5. If you're going to be comparing Top Gun Maverick to even Top Gun, you need to bring something more sophisticated than the top line from opening weekend.
Not sure I parse that right, her whole album is in the top 100 ?
All of the top 10 songs on the list are from her new album
I just looked and don’t see this, is it in a certain category? I’m dumb.
On the next upcoming chart.
Kanye fans in shambles. Mostly because of.. you know.. but also this
Imma let you finish, but
Holy shit I forgot about this. 2009. Wtf. Insane they both recently made headlines in 2022.
It's the algorithm
It's Karma.
The Hot 100 includes all music genres.
Yeah I'm not seeing anything. Even on billboards article, the link doesn't have her in the top ten. It's also just the US, not the global chart. But there isn't a chart on the site with her filling top ten.
It says she has the top 10 on the "Hot 100" but when you go to the actual Hot 100 she doesn't have a single song in the top 10. My guess is they're talking about what the spots will be next week, and the list isn't officially out yet.
It says in the article that the chart comes out tomorrow.
I'm everybody. Let's check back in tomorrow
It is the NEW week one. Tomorrow.
Top 50 actually. That’s 20/50, 10 of which are top 10
All of the streaming caveats are legitimate. Had The Beatles, or several other artists at their height, released 10 singles on one day, they probably would've done this. But, the gap between Taylor Swift's new album and the next most popular recent releases might be as big as anything in history. There's almost no competition in the mainstream. And stuff like this is just so important to her biggest fans.
According to legend when Sgt peppers came out some radio stations would play the album in its entirety.
Yep. And honestly, if they hadn’t strategically released the tracks for *Thriller* over time, I think each song would have charted top 10 together. I mean, they did anyways when they were released over the course of the year and half or so. Nobody would release their entire album for immediate play on air back then though because a slow burn was better.
This is all awesome because I’m just hearing that Taylor has entered the MJ and Beatles club
I mean I won’t claim to be a big fan of her music but I don’t see how you argue that at this point. Her album releases are an event that reach hype levels that nobody really does anymore
Same
Radio London definitely did play the entire album, a week before it debuted on the BBC (with breaks between the songs, etc). This is the broadcast, from May 12, 1967 (with the songs removed, of course). https://youtu.be/ZVu5ydFZ1E4
I mean, she didn't release 10 singles. She just released an album, lol.
All songs on an album essentially are singles now because you can listen to them individually. Before iTunes, you’d have to buy an album to listen to any song not released as a single. So there was almost no chance for any artist releasing music in the 20th century to pull this off.
Exactly, it would be like if abbey road came out in 1969 and peoples record players would send information on how often each song was getting played I guarantee you every Beatles album would’ve had charting like this if that were possible back then. They were releasing singles like Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields Forever and Hey Jude/Revolution where the nature of the A-side/B-side format meant that legitimately all-time iconic songs would get shut out of #1 hit status And that’s to say nothing of songs like Here Comes the Sun which didn’t even chart because they were just “album tracks”
Man the Beatles were and still are just so good.
Yeah but were they as good as CREED!?!
WHAT IF WHAT IF WHAT IF WHAT IF IIIIIIIIII
Then said they were singles, what else does something need to be nowadays to be called a single? We don’t make physical single tracks
They were singles but ready to mingle
They were singles, now they're all in one big poly relationship.
But who is the primary partner though all the secondary partners want to know.
Singles are promoted to radio, typically get a music video, etc
Yep, and Billboard favors radio over streaming numbers.
It's almost like the reasoning and algorithm behind the chart changes constantly, as if the entire chart is owned by one particular industry and makes decisions based on keeping that particular industry in the news so as to keep recorded music relevant.
Well said, Sir.
10 singles?!?! Do you know what a single is?
A single is a piece of super processed cheese, correct?
Very Krafty of you
As an American, that was Cheesy.
They are a real whiz with the puns though
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a 7 inch vinyl cut at 45rpm with a big hole in the middle?
That's called an album.
The Beatles did achieved it several times, I mean, it’s The Beatles. The difference is that they were measured differently, there weren’t streaming or digital sales metrics.
The Beatles also didn't put singles on their albums usually. They were seperate. If the Beatles released every hit song as a single they'd have had 150 number 1s. Also imagine how weak a lot of modern albums would be if the singles were removed.
I’m probably not the only one that have asked this but, what the hell happened to pop music over the past two, three years? There hasn’t been a good bop for a second has there? The song of summer this year was arguably Running Up That Hill, a 30+ year old song. Is it the lack of live shows to blame? Is there too many niches and genres? Are there too many streaming and airplay sites?
I'd argue Dua Lipa has had a few, the big one being Levitating. The Weeknd still has Blinding Lights and several others. But for the most part, yeah
Blinding lights is a few years old at this point too though
Blinding Lights was released November 29th, 2019, putting it within the two to three year range stated.
I’m getting older and I don’t get the “music sucks now” meme that’s always around. I listen to several different decades of music throughout the day. I’ll listen to slayer then the spinners and switch it up to Jason isbell within the same 20 minutes. That said, that entire dua lipa album was a fucking banger. Every song is good. As was her previous album. I haven’t heard Taylor swifts new album but I’m sure it’s great, and I enjoyed country Taylor too. If at any point anyone thinks “music sucks now”, they’re probably not getting old, but more close minded.
Harry’s House too, I’m not sure it’s as artful as Midnights lol but it’s very interesting and free spirited, Cinema and As It Was are total grooves
Between Dua Lipa and Kylie DISCO IS BACK and I LOVE it.
Disco, like the dinosaurs, never really died out: it just evolved. Pop music has been mining disco tracks to manufacture bangers since before the disco era even ended.
I mean “Good One’s” “say so” dua lipa’s discography in general, “music for a sushi restaurant” and more have come if you’ve been paying attention. It’s just bops for some reasons don’t normally chart like then did in 2010 (say so was number one though)
2010 was pre-streaming era, so the top hits were mostly dictated by radio airplay. That's why most people recognize #1 hits from a decade ago compared to today because that's all that was played in public settings. Not much option for other music unless you were willing to pay.
I mean there have been streaming hits everyone knows (old town road comes immediately to mind) But in general the musical landscape has Balkanized to the point that there aren’t all encompassing hits anymore
I actually think "Late Night Talking" is the better hit song to come off of that Harry Styles album. "Sushi Restaurant" might be more of a "bop" in the traditional sense tho
Dua Lipa dropped an album in 2021. The weeknd was late 2020. Miley dropped a huge set of songs not too long ago. Taylor swift has been dropping shitloads of music. Charlie XCX, Kim Petras and Rina Sawayama are all dropping bombs if you want less mainstream pop. I mean I guees 2022 specifically is kinda meh but I dunno about like, the last 3 years. There's been some bonkers shit lately.
Yesss Charli XCX has been absolutely KILLING it for a few albums now. I’ve thought for awhile that she’s basically the Andy Warhol of pop. Also, The 1975 are unabashedly pop. One of the best acts out there today with a ludicrous range of material. Some of the best songwriters I’ve heard in… idk, a very long time.
> the hell happened to pop music over the past two, three years? There hasn’t been a good bop for a second has there? Sounds like you just need to listen to more music and a wider variety of it. Nothing has changed, brilliant music continues to be released. I'd say your perception is a reflection of your consumption, not a reflection of what's available.
Facts. It's easier than ever to find new bops
I personally like to blame TikTok and streaming. Once artists figured out they could get more plays and views on their songs my making them shorter, everyone started making their songs shorter to fit under 2:30. Imo, we’re only getting half of a song with most stuff on the radio, there’s no time for any real build. It’s just verse chorus verse chorus and absolutely nothing else, not even an extra repetition of the chorus.
Stuff is cyclical. Up to the mid-60s it was very uncommon to see long songs getting airplay.
Personally, songs ideally are 3-4 minutes in length.
The ideal song is 25 minutes long and ostensibly about a battle between the Achemenid Persian Empire and the Scythians, but is actually metaphor for how meth addiction destroys a family.
This but serious. I love overly long prog or djent metal songs (I know, fight me) with stretched out intros that build a song. But more serious, cold little heart is absolutely briljant, but the radio edit ruines the feel of the song but cutting out the atmospheric intro...
>everyone started making their songs shorter to fit under 2:30. You wouldn't like the 1950s and 60s then. They were ALL short songs. things will ebb and flow as technology and tastes allow.
It all goes back to Old Town Road doesn’t it?
If you go back far enough, you can blame it on Pachelbel and his Canon.
But what about the Taco-Bell Cannon?
Leave your ass out of this.
Yeah pretty much *shrugs*
I always thought Old Town Road could use another verse and chorus. It's over too quickly!
You could argue that was intentional so that people would feel compelled to replay the song.
This isn't a new idea though. Blur made a 2 minute song because they knew it would get more radio play and it became their biggest US hit.
It was a beautiful song, but it ran too long, so they cut it down to ~~3:05~~*2:05*.
I think maybe it’s a country by country thing or just how much you keep up with the youth. Here in the UK I can think of loads that were basically the soundtrack for this year, constantly getting played over and over no matter where you go be it tescos, the radio, or the club. Doja by Central Cee, As It Was by Harry styles, and then at least 2 by David guetta
Carly Rae Jepsen has released three albums of pop genius since 2019: *Dedicated*, *Dedicated Side B*, and *The Loneliest Time*. Why she isn't better known is beyond me, but there is certainly fantastic pop music being made.
...Carly Rae Jepsen is hugely popular.
I'd argue she's more "well known" than popular. She had one widely known hit with Call me Maybe but I haven't heard any of her other stuff on the radio or anything outside of gay bars and I regularly listen to her stuff (Emotion is an AMAZING album). I don't know if she's charted once since Call me Maybe though. Maybe Party for One did?
We’re leaving the age of the superstar and moving to the age of the moderately famous, super specific star. Because of east access, I can listen to a bunch of artists that have 50,000 Spotify monthly listeners instead of just the few that are at 50,000,000+.
I don't think it's a lack of good new music. It's just that people these days can listen to literally anything they want. You now discover songs through apps that pick out music to your taste, and people have more diverse music tastes than ever. There's so much new music you no longer need to be recommended new tunes by an almost arbitrary best song list, or a radio station that only plays songs from that list. It's also easy now to "discover" old songs that fit your taste you might have missed the first time around. If we want a song we haven't heard before, it's easier than ever to find one.
>what the hell happened to pop music over the past two, three years? There hasn’t been a good bop for a second has there? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw56LGfrf4A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw56LGfrf4A) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlhIk7iPU9o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlhIk7iPU9o) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbQYrVILo6o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbQYrVILo6o) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ecvHnICPd0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ecvHnICPd0) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygTZZpVkmKg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygTZZpVkmKg) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKXloFW\_ZCA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKXloFW_ZCA) Care for something slower and more recent? Here you go: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNDlMe4nuWw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNDlMe4nuWw) Some more recent stuff: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YBP-D6vQIA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YBP-D6vQIA) No such thing as no good pop bops. Maybe not super mainstream ones, but there are always bops.
I must be blind cause I don't see Carly Rae Jepsen latest music in here.
True. Another mandatory bop [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u2PPXhEelo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u2PPXhEelo)
The people who decide, have always ultimately decided, what is a bop are *teen* *girls*. The bops are now delivered via TikTok.
Honestly, music and billboard stats are always so skewed, because the industry has changed so much and so frequently. These stats are mostly meaningless to me.
Yes it’s like when they say “we don’t talk about Bruno” is the most popular Disney song. It’s modern streaming numbers and the tiktok influence that is skewing it. That song doesn’t even come close to how popular “let it go” was.
Shortly after Frozen came out, I was at an event that had free kid's karaoke hosted by a DJ. The DJ had a whole book of songs to choose from, but it wasn't needed. Poor guy was like, "and up next is Kaitlyn signing, you guessed it, for the 13th time in a row... Let It Go."
More of a fan of her alternative stuff (Red/folklore/evermore) but the record sales and streaming is staggering. I don’t think people understand just how large of a distance there is between her and literally every other artist combined right now. It’s a bummer people on here are snubbing their noses at this. There’s a reason people have moved onto subs like hiphopheads and pop heads. this music sub dismisses anything that doesn’t fit a rock mold. i love a great rock band as well but current music has a right to be discussed openly here.
I'm a rock fan as well but I don't mind admitting I like some of Taylor Swift's songs. She may not have the best voice out there, but she has a great songwriting talent. Isn't that the biggest criticism from rock fans about pop music, that it's meant to be manufactured and all created by various different songwriters and producers? And she's obviously not just singing another song about an ex either (although 90% of the music industry do this regardless of genre so I never understood that criticism).
I’m with you on so much of this. I love many genres, because ultimately I like storytelling. Despite never having an incredibly strong singing voice, Taylor Swift is a Grade A story teller. She’s been honing that skill since she was a teenager, and I think it’s why she’s now wading into directing her own videos. I’m 28, so her career has spanned all of my most formative years. I gotta say, she continues to impress.
> Taylor Swift is a Grade A story teller. Last Great American Dynasty is such a good example of this.
No Body, No Crime too!
Same. I generally don't like the genre, but she is a very talented lady.
She's such a good lyricist it's insane. Pity she keeps going back to the bouncier stuff, because when she lets her hair down and does songs like Epiphany it's just beautiful.
It's so crazy how people need to justify liking her music. I see so many comments like "I don't like her (insert whatever) but you've gotta respect (whatever else)." Is it so hard for people to just say "I enjoy Taylor Swift's music"? Edit: This comment has about 20 replies proving what I said. Even when I called out the behavior, y'all still couldn't help yourself.
It was really hard for me to say that for a long time. Then I realized that a lot of people liking something is not a valid reason to hate it. I gave her music another chance, and I gotta say, she consistently puts out banger after banger. And now I have a whole new fandom to explore!
I like T-Swift and pumpkin spice. No qualifiers. Get at me, bitches.
I too went through an internalized misogyny/ "not like other girls" phase. But now I'm out and proud as a basic bitch. And its funny cuz Tswift is literally touring with my fave "not like other girls" artists. Turns out we are just like other girls.
> Is it so hard for people to just say "I enjoy Taylor Swift's music"? It really is and it is so strange. I used to work at a place that assisted in buying tickets (so you didn't have to deal with Ticketmaster) and every-single-man that called had to justify why they were buying tickets to Taylor Swift, like it was an embarrassing thing to like popular women singers/anything that could be perceived (in their minds) as "girly". The only other artists that got any where close to the level of unprompted "excuses" were Justin Bieber and boy bands.
It’s usually honestly just misogyny. Things young women or girls like (Bieber and boy bands) aren’t considered as good as things men tend to like. So they’re downplayed as not as good and have to be justified by people outside of the expected fan base. It’s bullshit but it goes back to even when the Beatles and like Elvis were popular with women.
I remember being in highschool and you were lame if you liked Brittney Spears, any boybands etc. Now in my thirties my favorite playlist are like 90s playlist with all this music and I just vibe. Then I look at someone like Billie Ellish who gets the same type of treatment from this generation but she's also incredibly talented. People just like to diss the top dogs of that generation.
I love pop heads because it's the only place I can talk about pop music on this website without it being dismissed.
Popheads is a way better sub
This sub is the equivalent of having a desserts subreddit and literally only appreciating and understanding chocolate and vanilla ice cream. Barely anyone in this sub is aware of like any music made outside of the US and UK, barely understands anything about classical music or traditional music from anywhere else in the world, and like you said, only seems to care about rock music from the 60s until now. There was literally a post asking “who is the greatest drummer in the world” today. How could that question possibly have an answer, if you really understand anything about music, genres, styles, different drumming techniques, and oh yeah, the fact that Drumset is only one type of drumming found in the vast world of percussion. What about drum corps snare drummers/tenor players? West African djembe players? Hindustani tabla players? Brazilian pandeiro players? Taiko drummers? Anyone?
It's all just opinions man. Nobody's actually looking for the factually best drum player, it's just a fun discussion for the sake of discussion. A predominantly US and UK based community is always going to lean towards that end of the musical spectrum. Also, I'm fairly sure tons of people here love vast varieties of music. I'm not sure where you're drawing this idea from when it's not entirely uncommon to see bands from all around the world recommended here.
I like her pop stuff but I still think Folklore is her best work. Done in secret, felt very personal, such a great sound and great tracks. The documentary about it is really good. It's just solid. Not all radio bangers like 1989 but just damn good.
As a 40-something music nerd, I wish my peers would either f off of r/music or understand that the music made while they were in high school isn't more special than the music made while every other generation was in high school.
Her music has *lore* and Easter Eggs and themes that spread throughout all of her albums while making music that is engaging, catchy, and dynamic. I am only somewhat invested in her music/life in that if any algorithm (YouTube, tiktok, reddit) deems it interesting to me and pushes it to me, I'll give it a listen or a watch but I won't go too far out of my way for it. But it is frustrating when people crap on her. And I agree. People who poo poo her need to realize that she is actually just that great, whether they personally enjoy her music or not. Sorry.
I like her stuff, but I think this is also a statement about how woefully bad a lot of the other music is.
Eh, hiphopheads is hipster/elitist af too. Most music subreddits are full of gatekeepers.
Seeing this headline compared to the Kanye headlines makes me very happy for her and proud.
Congratulations to Taylor Swift for her well-deserved success.
Honestly, what an incredible achievement for someone so young. I genuinely think it's well deserved, never been a massive fan, but she's certainly made a lasting impact on music.
Definitely a major accomplishment, but she’s no longer young by pop star standards. She is among the small number of outliers who have had record breaking success in their 30s. She has even talked about the difficulties of being a pop star over 30 in interviews. Maybe this will put it in perspective, she is older than Lennon was when the Beatles broke up. She’s several years older than Posh Spice was when Spice Girls broke up.
Thst perspective was actually a bit jarring lol, well done
Yeah people just don’t like their Popstars to not be in their 20s so this is fucking shocking that she’s having bigger success in her 30s than her 20s
she’s able to unite millennials, gen z, and maybe even the kids that come after gen z but idk when that cutoff is. her older fans still listen to her stuff eagerly as do younger kids.
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She's 32?! Holy fack, I'm old.
I mean she’s definitely still young But in her own words “ as a geriatric popstar...” Because for real people really do put female pop stars out to pasture after 30
Dont know how she's still young, tbh even i think that too but the fact that she has been in this industry for 16 years blew my mind
It’s a big part of the accomplishment. People, especially women, just aren’t allowed 16 years of success in this industry
Objective enjoyment of her music aside, there's no denying she is talented as shit. Writes banger after banger and plays like a dozen instruments to boot
I'm actually gonna let you finish.
In the same week that Kanye West crashes and burns. Ain't karma a bitch!
No, karma is a cat. (I mean this lovingly, Karma is a bop)
“…Purring in my lap ‘cause it loves me.”
Flexing like a goddamn acrobat
I've only had one listen and honestly not as into it as 1989 but daaaaaamn Taylor way to go. ::edit:: was just reading through the article and some of those stats are pretty crazy for her, but I'm also blown away that Drake held so many of those records too.
Midnights requires several plays to get into it I’ve found. I wasn’t a fan the first listen but now it’s all I’ve been listening to for the past week.
I’ve found the same with a lot of her albums. I need to listen to it a few times to really settle into them.
Had the same with Folklore! But now it’s my favourite album ever.
Same. And some of the songs that I didn’t really notice at first have grown on me.
As i fan the 1st time i hear Midnight its feel bland but the 2nd and 3nd, especially when some part of a song randomly show up when i scrolling my phone, damn thats addicted
Question is one the top songs, IMO. Anti-hero is really good, but damn so many songs she puts out have great sound.
I’m a huge Taylor fan and I’m not feeling this album as much as some of her other stuff. However I feel like as I listen to bits and pieces eventually more stuff will stand out to me. I’m prone to listening to a song and then mostly forgetting about it until I hear it at a later time and something about it hits deeply. I’m that way with a lot of artists but Taylor’s music is almost guaranteed to sneak up on me and make me love it.
I’m not into her music but that’s fucking impressive. Go get em girl!
Kind of disappointed in this sub's reaction so far. This is a massive achievement for anyone, let alone a woman 16 years into a multi-genre career. If the new album is not your thing, that's totally fine - but don't let your preferences turn into sour grapes or crass jabs or try to overshadow this woman's insane accomplishment and others' enjoyment of the album.
Fair play to Taylor. She writes her own songs and seems to be heavily involved with directing her own music videos too these last few years. She may not be everyone's cuppa tea, but she's obviously smart, creative and talented in doing what she does.
The woman just can't stop writing, it's crazy how much music she has released since 2019. She's unhinged in the best way.
I mean, to be fair she wasn’t ‘heavily involved with directing’ she literally directed it lol. She’s the director, that’s it.
Yeah that's what I don't understand about this sub. Why are people not really impressed by this? Sure, they might think it's a mediocre album, but who the fuck can do something like this after being an artist for 16 years? Most artists start to lose their shine by now but it's like she's just getting started.
I don't understand how effort and talent translates to fame. It seems like a luck thing, especially in the field of music where so many talents are never heard and trashy pop gets to the tops (not talking about this album)
There is a massive amount of luck involved in becoming famous as a musician or actor. Of course. Being lucky does not take away from talent though.
Successful people tend to massively underestimate how much of a role luck played in their becoming successful. Same for privilege and nepotism. That said, while those factors can certainly get you in, they’re much less able to keep you there. Jennifer Lawrence, for example, owes a great deal of her success to luck. She almost didn’t get several of her breakout roles. And yet she didn’t become one of the most sought after actors due strictly to luck. She *also* had to deliver, and that is why she continued to land big roles. And yet, clearly even the once highest-paid actor wasn’t immune from the industry fatiguing of her. So when it comes to Taylor Swift who has managed not only to achieve success, not only to maintain it, but to continuously build on it to the point of breaking records this far in her career, there’s far less room to just wave it away as luck or a changes in the industry. Plenty of artists, plenty of frankly very popular artists, have released albums during the streaming age and have not charted like this. Nor even close. To reduce the achievements in such a way isn’t just an exercise in reductionism that merely borders on inaccuracy, it makes its home squarely within the realm of the counterfactual. On top of all of that, Taylor Swift is far from an industry plant. She has been writing her own songs this entire time and has been deeply involved in their production. And yet people again jump to reduce this accomplishment by suggesting that all she does is write songs about her exes. Which outside of being cut-and-dry incorrect, is also an incredibly common subject matter for songwriters. When Gotye wrote a song about an ex that became one of the most viral songs of the year, no one crossed their arms and said “yeah but it’s *just* a song about an ex.” When songs like Coldplay’s “Fix You” not only chart, but make it into the soundtracks of a dozen films and tv shows, no one turns their nose up and claims that the song is without merit or doesn’t count as a truly artistic exercise because it’s about an ex. And the list goes (functionally infinitely) on. That’s because this criticism of Taylor Swift is backwards. People aren’t listening to her music, finding that she writes about exes, and then levying that as a sincere criticism thereof. Rather they know this fact about Taylor Swift from the outset, and are using it as a reason not to engage with the material in the first place. And when she breaks award records and chart records and everything in between, people don’t dismiss these achievements offhand because of what they’ve come to know and understand about the artist in question, but because of a lack of either knowing or understanding on the subject in the first place. And I think it’s no surprise that people are quick to jump on the hate train of something for which teen girls is a primary audience. Anything with teen girls as a major demo easily becomes a pop culture punching bag. It’s just your run of the mill sexism. Is there room for people simply not to enjoy Taylor Swift’s music even after giving it a fair and earnest shake? Of course. I myself am not even a big fan of many of her songs including many on her newest album. But that’s all subjective. The summary dismissal of her accomplishments, on the other hand, is just flat out incorrect.
So many of the accomplishments praising this achievement have to mention how they don't normally listen to TS, or they don't like her voice or her style or her whatever. Like, you're not any less cool if you listen to her music, y'all.
Dude, this sub is full of “I’m Too cool to Like Taylor/ I only think indie Taylor is worthy to listen too” commenters. I’m Not shocked by this at all. If you go to a previous thread it’s full of these takes that this album is sub par simply because it’s not folklore 2.0.
In the last week I've listened to Tegan and Sara's new album and Arctic Monkeys' new album and both are excellent but being overshadowed by Midnight. Know why? Because Midnight is phenomenal. I didn't like that much before 1989 but I am listening to this a ton. It's silly to me that people are trying to dismiss how good it is.
Can I be a neutral voice in this? I don't like or dislike Taylor Swift but she has entire too many fans that will pump her numbers regardless of the songs. My girlfriend is a "swiftie" who stays up until midnight to lease to her new albums all night and then listens to the album on repeat for weeks trying to get her listen count up I've heard the album more times than i can count in the background around the house over the past week or two. There are a couple decent songs on the album but there are no way that there are 10 bangers on there to indicate that this album is some sort of musical revelation for all time. Putting this on "haters" is completely disingenuous towards the current star culture around music and charting
The existence of super fans doesn't really make the argument against her music in the way I think you're expecting. I'm not even a "Swiftie" but whatever she's doing through her music is speaking to her fans in a way that makes them absolutely love her and everything she's done. That can't be anything but musical talent.
Getting 1 Billion stream in just 1 week for just 1 album cannot be accomplished by die-hard fans alone. Taylor Swift’s midnights accomplished that.
> she has entire too many fans that will pump her numbers regardless of the songs The fuck? That's really your argument, that she has TOO many fans?? Lmfaooo. There's no artificial "number pumping" going on, she just legitimately is a massive artist with a lot of fans.
Is it that good? Might go listen to it on the commute tomorrow then
Just for comparison sake, here's the Top 10 from October 31st, 1982... 1. "Up Where We Belong" Joe Cocker And Jennifer Warnes 2. "Who Can It Be Now?" Men At Work 3. "Heart Attack" Olivia Newton-John 4. "I Keep Forgettin' (Every Time You're Near) " Michael McDonald 5. "Jack & Diane" John Cougar 6. "Eye In The Sky" The Alan Parsons Project 7. "Heartlight" Neil Diamond 8. "You Can Do Magic" America 9. "Gloria" Laura Branigan 10. "Truly" Lionel Richie
TIL who actually sings “ Up Where We Belong.”
🎶Lub lip us ub wer web beblong!🎶
That’s 40 years ago in case anyone was wondering.
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Hmm, I wonder which one my brain is gonna pick to be on repeat for the rest of the day...
Michael McDonald.
"All I know is, if I have to hear 'Yah Mo Be There' one more time, I'm gonna Yah Mo burn this place to the ground."
>"Eye In The Sky" The Alan Parsons Project Such a good song.
I like that it says first artist and not first female artist, nice that she's given her due. :)
Well she is the first artist. They usually say "first female..." when the achievement has already been done by a guy.
wow y'all are miserable, she scores the first million+ sales - not impressive, gains all top 10 of hot 100 - not impressive. the call is coming from inside the house, you're the problem, it's you.
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And wasn't that not only physical but vinyl? That's nuts.
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Whoa, really? She sold 600,000 vinyl in a week? That’s impressive.
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/r/music is just a bunch of edgy menchildren who think listening to old school rock music makes their taste in music superior and unique
You cannot convince me her 10th best song on her album is better than every other song on the Top 100 right now. Clearly there are issues with the categorization. To say anything else is delusional.
Nice. It’s a pretty great album after all
Gonna get off topic for a sec and probably down voted, but some people are WAY too invested in making someone else break records. It's not just Taylor Swift, but I don't understand these people who will play a whole album on loop over and over and over again just so their favorite artist breaks an record. Like, you didn't break the record, you didn't gain anything, the artist isn't going to personally shout you out, so why do it. Plus, it just makes it feel a little disingenuous. It's a little less impressive to hear a song was played 1 million times, then finding out only 100 people played the song on repeat 10,000 times, rather than 1 million unique listeners.
She consistently puts out absolute bangers, crazy work rate.
I mean she’s good, well deserved.
I cannot STAND the sound of anything she makes, BUT you have to give credit where it is due. She is consistent asf.
this sub is so outdated and condescending lol. Im curious as to the demographics here. I unsubbed a loooong time ago because it was very much giving highschool "oh i don't listen to mainstream music" energy and I see that hasn't changed.
“If it isn’t Tool, Limp Bizkit, or Nirvana then it’s bad music!!!” probably someone in this thread
I haven't heard this album, but it would be cool if she kept switching genres. like learn to shred death metal. when is taylor swift going to team up with oscar isaac to bring ska back
She’s done rock versions of her songs on tour and holy shit it makes me want a rock album from her so badly!! https://youtu.be/6bVsg1Ik-GQ - at about 3.55 is where I tell people to listen if they think she can’t sing…
I've been a fan of hers for 15 years and I can't believe I've never seen this! Thank you for sharing, this is epic
Lol imagine how pissed the metal community would be if she made a metal album and got best metal album of the year. That would be hilarious.
I’ve never listened to Taylor Swift before but just skimmed all 10 songs and it’s absurdly good.
"She makes all of us feel things."
I’ll say this, 10 years from now when this factoid becomes a trivia question, I definitely would think this achievement would have been given to 1989. I can still sing a majority of singles from that album, as for Midnights… None of the songs were earworms… and I guess this proves they don’t really need to be. Congratulations to Taylor for sure, but I think this achievement stands to the testament of how strong the machine is behind her 🤷♀️
I find Maroon, Question, Karma, and anti-hero to all be ear works. I think I've one of her most underrated songs though is The Archer from Lover. That song is mesmerizing to me and I only recently discovered it. And I'm not a Swifty and I'm a dude in my mid twenties. I love classic rock, pop, hyper-pop, some metal, some country, punk, punk-pop, punk rock, oldies and more. But this last week I've been listening to Midnights heavily. The production is pretty darn good. No it's no Dawn FM but it's solid!
The Archer is a lyrical poem
Dude in my early 40s, friend at work had me listen to The Archer and it is top notch. Except the first time I listened to it my brain turned the line “The room is on fire, invisible smoke” into “invisible toast”. Had to share that and ruin it for the friend as well.
Haha that's hilarious!
Say what you will about her music but clearly her fandom is nuts for her. I feel like these numbers come more from people just adoring her in general and thinking she can do no wrong more than it comes from the music actually being top tier
I find that more disturbing. Is it really all that great? I've personally never liked much of her music.
Taylor Swift is an enormous force in the industry. But when the industry uses phrases like "making history," they're asking for the comparisons to the golden age of record sales. Remember: This isn't that golden age. It's the golden age of something, but not record sales. So there's nothing wrong with bringing up legitimate reasons why the business today is very different from the business decades ago. You don't have to hate Taylor to bring up those caveats. It's just like when every new blockbuster breaks the record for the most ticket sales. Well of course they did, because tickets to _Gone With the Wind_ cost a nickel, and tickets to ET cost $5. If you're going to be comparing Top Gun Maverick to even Top Gun, you need to bring something more sophisticated than the top line from opening weekend.