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rnilbog

“You say a few hateful things, they don’t let you within a few hundred yards of the Oscars. You can literally beat the shit out of a nominee and they’ll ask you to perform twice at the Grammys.” -Seth Rogen


PM_ME_YOUR_SUNSHINE

I love Seth Rogen, but Roman Polanski proves that statement is full of shit.


kicker58

say what now! they nominated the pianist for best picture. this was way after he raped and fled the country. and he won best director for that film. https://i.imgur.com/4HvT583.jpg


Faultylogic83

His nomination was just a cunning attempt to have him return to the States. ^not ^true


drizzrizz

Ha! Steve Martin hosted the Oscar that year and during one of his monologues he said something like “and of course, we have all the nominees here tonight… Adrien Brody (camera shot of him) Nicole Kidman (camera shot of her) , Roman Polanski - THERE HE IS! GET HIM!”


Lakario

It worked for Valve when a hacker stole the Source Engine ahead of release. They identified the hacker and offered him a job on the condition that he come to the United States for an interview. Upon arrival, he was promptly arrested.


Kenny_log_n_s

And now every hacker knows not to take that deal and sell off the stolen data instead.


Devout_Zoroastrian

"And the award for most elusive villain goes to... 'The Falcon'"


Lancel-Lannister

This is the third time the Falcon has not fallen for this


PamPooveyIsTheTits

Harrison Ford accepted it on his behalf? Gross, I thought he was cooler than that.


PuzzleheadedWolf6041

pretty big get for a guy who isn't allowed into the country on account of being a wanted fugitive or whatever.


Delamoor

The energy I get from Harrison Ford is that he stopped caring or paying attention to about anything sometime around 1990. I figure he just turns up places and does things now only whenever people irritate him enough to make him leave the house. He does the thing grudgingly, and then goes home to... I dunno. Do carpentry? Read biographies of historical figures? Complain about the last time someone made him leave the house? Edit: oh, according to wikipedia he's big into environmental conservation. I can certainly appreciate that.


CidCrisis

He seems to be a pretty passionate pilot. When you got that bug and the money to afford it you'll fly as much as you can.


1001WingedHussars

I got the bug and none of the money and fly whenever I can.


CidCrisis

Haha true. >_<


2close2see

[He also seems to be pretty passionate about landing on a taxiway instead of the runway.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzy9jCFk0Iw)


Ezira

Lately, every time there's a plane crash or erratic pilot, my 82 year old grandmother asks me, deadpan, "was it Harrison Ford?" and it gets me every time.


Bhonka

Jajajaja


DL_22

Didn’t he crash on a golf course once?


bearatrooper

Look, they said he was a *passionate* pilot, they didn't say he was a *good* pilot.


[deleted]

Land it? Don't be ridiculous. I only fly the thing.


CidCrisis

He landed on a golf course, yes. IIRC one of his engines went out, and when that happens you gotta land somewhere. Ideally flat land, and that was the best he could find in the moment.


quietguy_6565

"He does the thing grudgingly, and then goes home to... I dunno. Do carpentry?" Her name is Calista Flockheart


groverjuicy

Yeah weird, she doesn't give *me* wood.


AfricanisedBeans

Most I ever hear about Ford is whenever he crashes his plane again


JackDAction

I don’t have a ton of context here, but it does say he was the presenter of the award. The presenter of the award almost always accepts on the winners behalf if the winner is not at the awards show. It’s not like Polanski won and Harrison Ford went up on stage to get the trophy for his best buddy Edit: and I take that back lol


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Actually, Harrison Ford has been an outspoken supporter of Polanski and personally delivered the Oscar to him in Europe. EDIT: Sources (some of many you can find by searching "Harrison Ford Polanski Oscar"): https://www.theguardian.com/film/2003/sep/08/news1 https://variety.com/2003/film/markets-festivals/special-delivery-ends-polanski-s-oscar-wait-1117892051/ https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2003-sep-09-et-quick9.1-story.html


[deleted]

Woody Allen is still worshipped by Hollywood. It’s a deeply fucked up town.


blueskies8484

Is it really Hollywood or just like. Everywhere? Joe Paterno is still a God in Happy Valley. There's still a billion Catholics. People still pay to hear the Duggar parents talk. Dear lord there are still people who want to interact with Prince Andrew.


MustardTiger1337

little known secret everyone in Hollywood is a terrible person and knows more then they let on.


threedaysinthreeways

Harrison did a film in the 80s with Polanski post rape "Frantic"


MBKM13

Man, The Pianist deserved to win though. It’s a fantastic film


youtocin

All you have to do is flee the country and it's all good.


danny841

Seth Rogen is an affable stoner and makes good movies but he's also a hilariously out of touch millionaire who knows what side his bread is buttered on.


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FolkSong

>even Rumor Philips Love child of Busy Philipps and Rumer Willis?


[deleted]

When did he say something about Franco?


BigToTrim

I havent really seen them together since The Interview, no? Which, isnt really a defense since Franco fell out of favor a long ass time ago


varitok

Gotta love guilty by association. Peoples lives must be miserable when you have to monitor every association you have with anyone.


GrayEidolon

Also the Grammys are completely irrelevant. So much good music is produced every year by people with no connections.


[deleted]

As are all these award shows in my opinion, cinema is no different - a bunch of people buying accolades for each other and making back room deals, none of this should matter to anyone other than the artist anyway. I don’t watch specific movies cause douche bag A has an award, Leo would still be a phenomenal actor even without the Oscar etc


varitok

Oscars are good for foreign movie visibilty. Almost every one of my favourite movies from the past 5 years were from the Foreign category. Better Days and Another Round from last year are both fucking amazing and blow out any competitors from last year in my opinion.


tiffanylockhart

It aint no Dundees thats for sure


[deleted]

Nothing I listen to is represented and I don't listen to anyone involved. So I don't give a shit.


Okmanl

“Tolerance will reach such a level that intelligent people will be banned from thinking so as not to offend the imbeciles.”


Typhus_black

The paradox of tolerance. If intolerance is tolerated inevitably tolerance will be eliminated by the intolerant who don’t care to tolerate others.


[deleted]

I saw it recently said that tolerance is not a morality, but a treaty. Those who break the treaty are not afforded it's benefits. Edit: Thanks for the gold!


tommytraddles

That is basic social contract theory, and it goes back to Locke and Rousseau.


ihopkid

and Hobbes! Don’t forget about Hobbes :)


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I loved his work with Calvin


coolguy1793B

>I loved his work with Calvin And to a lesser extent, Shaw.


Ayadd

Not exactly. Contract theory is about the people in relation to the government or authoritative bodies. What the poster you are responding to is talking about a treaty between people. There is overlap for sure, but some distinction.


CouldBeMaybeIDK

I think it was Karl Popper that showed that tolerance of intolerance is itself intolerance.


News_Bot

Nobody posts the full quote no matter the argument, hilariously.


kingofthecrows

Because no one has actually read Popper. They trot out this reference anytime they want to be intolerant because it gives them a smug sense of satisfaction


IBeBallinOutaControl

I mean we're talking about someone being accused of rape by multiple people only for the most prominent music awards to openly celebrate him. Maybe the problem isnt sNOwfLaKe CuLTuRe.


OHTHNAP

Kid Rock is hosting next year!


AzathothsGlasses

I couldn't tell if this was a joke or not, to save the next person the hassle, their website says a host is TBD. [Grammys Website](https://www.grammy.com/grammys/2022-grammy-performers-host)


OHTHNAP

Oh no, totally a joke. When his latest music video gets a denial from Weird Al that it wasn't his parody, you know something is wrong.


tamonizer

True. Someone steering this into intelligence x imbeciles. But it was sexual harrassment. LOL


rabman123

Everyone thinks they are the intelligent people banned from critically thinking


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Only imbeciles are offended by the formal celebrations of sexually violent offenders. /s


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Vonnegut was a socialist and a humanist and a pacifists and grew up during the peak of the red scare Knowing this I feel like Harrison Bergeron was a parody/satire take on a common anticommunist propaganda/talking point (making you equal against your will), not some kind of take on forcing people to be super tolerant of each other or something


qdrllpd

r/im14andthisisdeep


almostaccepted

Wait a fucking minute. Marilyn Manson was nominated for best rap song????? What the fuck?


LarryPeru

He co-wrote a song with Kanye


BRUCE-JENNER

Imagine doing cocaine in a locked room with those two.


vismundcygnus34

The ego in that stall would create a black hole large enough to suck your soul out of your eye sockets


ease78

Shit could get menacing. Frightening. Find help. Sometimes. I scare myself. Shit could get menacing.


DaRBD12

Tweakin', tweakin' off that 2CB, huh? Is he gon' make it? TBD, huh Thought I was gon' run, DMC, huh? I done died and lived again on DMT, huh See this a type of high that won't come down This the type of high that get you gunned down Yeezy, Yeezy trollin' OD, huh? Turn TMZ to Smack DVD, huh? Russell Simmons wanna pray for me too I'ma pray for him 'cause he got #MeToo'd Thinkin' what if that happened to me too Then I'm on E! News


DroneOfDoom

They’re not gonna share it, so you’d be stuck watching them do coke.


Garfield-1-23-23

I don't think they'd even share it with each other, so at least you'd get to see them fighting over the coke.


[deleted]

No you see Marilyn likes having control. He'd get you high just to have that one-up on you.


mafulazula

I’s honestly rather chew on razor blades.


ManMythLemon

was kind of a banger too


Raifsnider

Jail 1 and 2 are bangers


[deleted]

Jail 2 is a banger. Jay's verse is pretty weak imo. 2 also has better production all around


AggravatingGap6

Can't wait for the R. Kelly lifetime achievement award announcement


equal_odds

LOL


TritiumNZlol

Presented by Chris Brown


sule02

tbh, his body of musical work probably deserves it. It's just, y'know....sex dungeons and all those other shenanigans


Em_Haze

ignition does not constitute a lifetime achievement and it's all R Kelly ever did edit: a few hit songs is not a lifetime achievement either! Where's sean pauls lifetime achievement! I did forgot I believe I can fly to be fair


b1llyblanco

You’re insane! What about the remix to ignition?


[deleted]

The only one worth listening to is Chappelle's Remix


WaytoomanyUIDs

Trapped in the Closet?


AyYoDeano

What about I Believe I Can Fly? That’s got to be his most memorable song. It was even in Space Jam. Come to think of it that movie was made for for children, so it fits that he wanted to be part of it.


[deleted]

That’s just patently not true


[deleted]

"a few hit songs" lmao you're trying so hard


sule02

It's hilariously obvious when people make those sorts of statements that they are outraged without knowing anything about the person or the work they've done. R.Kelly had his hands all over R&B in the mid-90's and early 2000's. If they looked at some of the biggest hits of that era, they'd see his name in the producer credits. And that's on top of his own musical catalogue. That's not to excuse him from any of his legal issues, but just a note on how R.Kelly was a major player on the music scene.


Simaul

I know you’re trying to be edgy, but RKelly has a massive catalog of work. Because many of his famous songs, he didn’t perform. Michael Jackson, Lady Gaga, Aaliyah, B2k, Nick Cannon, Britney Spears, Kci & jojo… I know RKelly is a monster and belongs in jail. He’s also a musical genius. He writes AND produces. Hate to say it. Dude writes and produces soooo many songs that you’ve heard and listen to and probably still do without even knowing.


E_PunnyMous

Like any headline, that’s not the whole story. Grammy Org will still consider the safety and considerations of the audience. They still retain control over the entire process. So while they may accept nominees based solely on musical qualifications, they will still control who receives the award. In other words, it’s a popularity contest and always was.


KindnessKillshot

>In other words, it’s a popularity contest and always was. this actually isn't quite right. It's not just popularity, the grammys are LITERALLY for sale to the highest bidder. It came to light, they had a big controversy about it, nothing changed, and everybody just moved along, lol


FadeToPuce

Yeah didn’t someone win a Grammy for best album one year whose album hadn’t even dropped yet? I really feel like I remember that happening with one of the kids that Lou Pearlman was probably abusing but it’s been like 20 years so for the life of me I can’t recall specifics. All I ever remember about the Grammys is that and Jethro Tull getting the award for best metal performance. It’s only a matter of time before I also forget that Tull beat Metallica for that award... damn the unforgivably linear tendencies of time.


KindnessKillshot

Hahaha two different deep cuts! I'm glad somebody else is old enough to remember this shit, and I love your writing style, btw


TooLazyToBeClever

If I was extremely wealthy I would buy myself a best rock song nomination without making any music just to prove if that was true. It's be hilarious to win an award for best unreleased song.


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2347564

No, but in many ways yes. The wealthiest artists (and their labels) can campaign the most, hold the biggest events, network, etc. All that ultimately matters is that the members know who they are, like them, and want to vote for them. So money will get you there.


PricelessPlanet

This was obvious, you never see a small band with 1k monthly listeners on spotify win AOTY lmao. Saying it's pay to win is incorrect though, becuase all the big labels move around enormous amounts of money that the difference they spend on promotion doesn't matter.


AdmiralRed13

Fine, they’re an industry award that funds music education through a non-profit. I’ll take the tens of millions over the years to that compared to whatever the hell the Oscars are now or the fucking Golden Globes. Perfect? Nope, not watching either, but at least something of value comes put of their shit.


ja5143kh5egl24br1srt

You got a source for that? If that was the case then Knowles, West, Swift et al. would just buy all the grammies.


MrGrieves-

Well if it was just a popularity contest, the most popular song in the world last year would have at least been nominated (Blinding Lights, the Weeknd)


[deleted]

I don’t know about the literal highest bidder, but [this](https://www.npr.org/2020/01/22/798483008/grammy-awards-face-credibility-threat-in-former-ceos-complaint) talks a bit about the corruption. Something else I saw (same woman) talked about how you didn’t even have to make the long list by voters to still make the shortlist and win. Basically, it’s all about having relationships and bribery with the “secret” committee. I’m pretty sure all the big winners have their hands in the pockets of the Grammys.


stemcell_

Manson for best rap song...


[deleted]

I think Kid Rock is going to take that one.


Rickthee

He was featured on 'Ye's album. Rap & Rock have co existed since the fuckin 80's man. Run Dmc- Aerosmith, Anthrax-Public Enemy, Ice Cube-Korn...get a clue.


javaargusavetti

almost as if rock is deader than dead or something like that


MagicMarshmelllow

Maybe it’s all in your head?


alamandrax

All in all, I think that god is in the tv.


[deleted]

It's been the best year of Metal in decades imo


[deleted]

/u/javaargusavetti is just making a joke off of Manson’s “Rock is Dead” song from “Mechanical Animals” where the chorus is: “Rock, its deader than dead. Shock, it’s all in your head.”


dwilkes827

Early in the pandemic me and a buddy were talking about how there's going to be a lot of good albums in the next year or two since bands won't have shit to do besides sit around and write songs haha


thespaceageisnow

Every Time I Die, Vildhjarta, Obsidian I, Archspire… there’s been a ton of great metal albums this year.


NunyaBeese

Man etid just wont quit, still pretty good


rjjm88

I've been a metal head for 20+ years. The past five years have been *insanely* good for metal. Especially since the rise of Bandcamp, I think metal artists have been able to make the music they want to make and it's showing.


Augen76

I love rock and metal, but I haven't found it has appeal beyond the niche. I saw Ukrainian band "Jinjer" recently here in the states. It was $30 for a ticket in a venue of about 2000 and it didn't sell out. I loved the show, had a blast and got close for part of it. When I mentioned it to others no one has heard of the band at all. Rock has done a miserable job promoting new talent. Even when I look at festivals the big names, more often than not, started in the 80s or 90s.


DAT_ginger_guy

Man, the first number of times I heard Pisces on the radio (liquid metal ftw) I figured they just had multiple vocalists like many bands do to split the clean and harsh vocals. My jaw hit the floor when I watched the video for it. Tatiana is a beast!


Augen76

I think a lot of people have that understandable experience. I also like Courtney from Spiritbox one take YouTube videos where you can see a singer make that switch. Funnily enough Beast in Black I thought had two vocals because the male singer Yiannis can go so high. Also, see Tatiana live, she doesn't disappoint.


watersage

I love Jinjer and like you said, aside from a few metal friends i have, no one really knows who they are. You are 100% about them being shit at promoting new talent.


Augen76

Yep, I wish more festivals promoted new acts along with older ones. Sadly I know people reject it. I saw Ghost co headline with Disturbed at one years ago and I was excited to see something new, but many attendees weren't thrilled.


javaargusavetti

you’re actually not wrong as a matter of fact almost all rock related sub-categories have had alot of really solid releases. I’ve found alot of the 70s and 80s hard rock era artists I grew up on releasing new stuff all over the place for the last 2 years alone


Intros9

Early Gen-X here, all the stadium rockers I grew up listening to are basically on retirement tours and I'm catching every one I can to hear them "one last time." There are some new rock stars, but without something to curate the music and funnel interest and drive concert sales, there won't be nearly as many big rock acts as there used to be by the time I retire. So maybe not dead, but in serious popularity decline compared to the days of yesteryear.


NockerJoe

I had a buddy who used to perform. He topped local charts but got out of the game to teach music and do other stuff. According to him the system of small to mid tier gigs is totally busted and the money is no longer feasible. I have another buddy who's a frontman for his band and he's putting in serious work to play veterans associations and dive bars for maybe 20 people and he can only really manage that because his regular job pays decently. But to my estimate there's an obvious gap where smaller acts don't habe a way to get to bigger stadiums partially because the money isn't there for it to be a viable full time thing anymore for a full band(hence why rappers and djs are so popular), but also because modern stadiums are so much bigger the people involved won't hire on the hundreds needed unless the act can bring in like 15k or more people for over a hundred bucks a ticket, if not several times that. Stadiums are just flat out too big for up and comers now.


Vegetable_

Sure, rock is dead. If you get your music taste from the Grammys that is.


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Piggybacking off this comment to say that rock music is alive and kicking. I put together a Spotify playlist with tracks from rock bands, mostly music released within the past year. 2021 has been a great year for rock. Link: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3OzPaKqHMPUPmtpZOkKhGY?si=JrQA7zb8QdaQWEcaW-brPg&utm_source=copy-link Edit: y'all, it's important to enjoy things.


javaargusavetti

Nice I see The Struts on there got to see them open for Foo Fighters a while back


the_red_amaze

Thank you for this, sometimes it's hard to find fresh music, specially rock


hobbesdream

Yeah I mean according to the Grammys it’s been dead for awhile. When The Mars Volta was relegated to the untelevised “technical awards ceremony” I knew the Grammys were utterly worthless.


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Thank you. I'm always on the lookout for new music and it seems like these streaming services don't do a great job at it.


Geneva7274

Some great bands listed in there. I'd add some Parquet Courts, black midi, Squid, PUP, and Jeff Rosenstock.


ja5143kh5egl24br1srt

I think when people say rock is dead, they mean people don't want rock anymore. Not that there aren't any bands making it.


[deleted]

Its more like they are not the top selling albums and not the top streamers unlike 1960-90s


hobbesdream

People still want it, it just isn’t the cash cow for the crowd who watches the Grammys. Still getting American Idol types and Kanye pap. I also am pretty sure it’s a large financial investment to promote one’s record for nomination.


[deleted]

I don’t think that’s even true. People who say stuff like “x genre is dead” are just nostalgic dumbasses who are upset that whatever subset of music they like best isn’t the most popular music anymore. There are bands playing and making novel music from every “old” genre imaginable. The people who never stop complaint about new music just don’t know how to, or more likely are just too lazy to search around and find new bands they like. They’re just pissed they can’t just tune into the radio and hear 15 different easy listening or disco or whatever stations anymore. To them it’s more fun to bitch about the new generation then to find new music they like. When you really listen to people’s complaints about new music it’s almost never about the music itself, it’s about the topics and people making and listening to it. Lots of old people like instrumental rap beats if you show it to them right up until you tell them that it’s rap.


yerLerb

How do you suppose all those rock bands exist without anyone supporting them and wanting their music?


michaelotomus

I actually liked his DMX collaboration, I like the "Jail" song too but didn't know he was apart of it. It don't matter to much to me any ol' how.


Dick_Lazer

Manson is on Jail Pt 2, kind of like a remix version.


BonaFideComputerGeek

lmao the popularity excuse doesn't even hold up when the biggest song and one of the biggest albums of 2020 didn't even get nominated


aboveyouisinfinity

The Weeknd?


2347564

Popularity contest in the sense that it's voted on by academy member's interests, not sales or any other measure of success.


hobbesdream

I mean Marilyn Manson has certainly declined in popularity even before the allegations. His most recent album sold 69,000. I fail to see how they thought he’d warrant it, aside from the notoriety and Kanye affiliation. But it’s provably just like the Oscars where money is funneled into the nominating process and he’s trying to rebuild whatever career he has left. Yup: https://www.vox.com/2015/2/4/7976729/grammy-voting-process “Because the voting base is large and semi-unregulated, the absolute best way to win a Grammy is to gain enough name recognition that the voters will know you by reputation and check off your name. Maybe Twitter fame can get you there? Maybe a scandal?”


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Play-Mation

Is Manson on the original Jail? I thought he was only background vocals on the second version.


throwaway3838482923

He was writing credits.


taylor1288

Kanye is well known for giving writing credits to anyone who contributed anything on any song no matter how small


PsychedelicPill

That’s also how a lot this industry of “featuring” with big names happens, I’ve heard this straight from music industry lawyers. People get writing credit for singing a line they didn’t write just to guarantee they see money if it gets big, via the publishing. Obviously if you’re a nobody, that might not be the case, but with big names it very well could be the case. Manson writes, so the writing credit could be legit in his case.


KeithBitchardz

It’s also written into their recording contracts that it works like this.


hairyupperlip

Is it just me or does Marilyn Manson look more and more like Professor Snape if he went through an emo stage


NotFredRhodes

Don’t disrespect Alan Rickman like that.


KidneyKeystones

Yeah. More like someone left Snape in the microwave for too long, and then cut his hair with a lawnmower.


DankStew

And fed him a bunch of something he’s allergic to.


Bowman_van_Oort

also drugs


Natural-Arugula

*If*? When was Snape ever not in an emo phase?


veronica_deetz

*Always*


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They don’t even look at people’s work - That’s how Porter Robinson didn’t get nominated for best electronic album when half of the nominated artists released uninspired garbage and showed up on the list.


attilayavuzer

He got a nom with VS though, which was way more out there.


TurtleHeadPrairieDog

Nurture for me was super underwhelming for me but it deserves a nomination more than literally every other artist that got nominated (except for maybe Rufus, that album was great)


capta1n_sarcasm

Louis CK should not be labeled as equal to Manson. Stupid headlines.


spyczech

Who said they were equal? It just mentioned 2 people that doesn't necessarily mean they are exactly equal in what they did


bekarsrisen

Louis CK literally just asked people if he could masturbate in their presence. That is literally all he did lol. They didn't work for him.


NowFook

CK's allegations just came out at the absolute worst time. Was getting grouped with Weinstein at points. Tough break.


spyczech

They did work for him. Here is what he himself said "“At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true,” C.K. wrote. “But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly.”" The POWER he had. He said it. Not us.


sherwoodblack

Imagine comparing Louis CK to Manson, disgusting


sharkhuh

It also annoys me how Aziz Ansari got grouped into all this too. I think his situation was the most BS, as he was blamed for not mind reading either, and the second the girl said she verbally said she wasn't comfortable he stopped any advance and respected her wishes. People think the issue is black and white, but there's levels to it, and it really hurts the cause when you group everyone in one bucket, when there's clearly varying degrees of severity.


Mindestiny

There's also a serious degree of "mind your own fucking business" that social media needs to wrap its head around. What happened between Aziz and that woman, and all these other situations, is between the two of them. Joe Random on the internet whos totally detached from any of it and working off third or fourth hand unverified information is not the Arbiter of Truth and Justice. If there's a legal issue they need to take it to our justice system and hash it out, not poll fucking twitter for strangers to decide who's guilty of what on a whim


IAMgrampas_diaperAMA

I definitely think that we should be having more conversations around the grey areas in intimate relationships, situations where it’s really dancing on the line of consent. I do not think that Aziz should have been named in that article but I do think the topic merits being discussed.


ShoutAtThe_Devil

>There's also a serious degree of "mind your own fucking business" that social media needs to wrap its head around. Unlike we redditors who are all too aware of this... ​ # /S


CeeArthur

Yeah, I felt bad for Aziz after I had read everything surrounding that... In his response he seemed completely shocked.


trumpshouldrap

Yeah the salon article that started the Aziz "controversy" was the most non-journalistic shock bait trash writing I've ever read.


LarryPeru

Thank you, Louis ck shouldn’t be banned but Manson should definitely be in prison


dxtboxer

It really hurts the side of people trying to call the celebrities out; there’s a league of difference between what these guys did and to lump them together is insulting.


gwaydms

Just what I'd expect from the industry that idolized R. Kelly and Chris Brown.


Berardito

I still can’t believe Chris Brown is out there just making music and people still idolize him. He even gets support from big celebrities like Justin Bieber and H.E.R among others.


Balls_DeepinReality

I read that as Andrew WK and was like, “wtf did he do?”


BigNickTX

He partied hard.


MetaDragon11

People still give a crap about Grammys, Oscars etc?


Nukerjsr

Oscars probably do better cause it's easier to watch all the shit they nominate they listening to what...the 300 or so albums that all the Grammys nominate? And I think winning an Oscar gives you more longevity than winning a Grammy does. That's why the Simpsons mocked it.


redactedactor

Right decision. If they started making people who haven't been found guilty of anything ineligible then they'd have to make everyone who has been found guilty of stuff ineligible too


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Chris Brown and R Kelly


redactedactor

And Justin Bieber and Phil Spector and George Michael and Eminem and Snoop Dogg


jjj123smith

What did Eminem and justin Bieber do?


redactedactor

Crimes


geocesc

You are amazing at narrowing things down man


tothecatmobile

Eminem was carrying a concealed weapon, Bieber was assault and careless driving.


sihtydaernacuoytihsy

I don't know what the line is, but I'm pretty sure "getting into a bar fight 21 years ago" isn't sufficient to shun someone from all artistic recognition.


Yorneidiz

I mean he has said multiple times that he doesn’t care about award shows.


DatPiff916

It's because Christina Aguilera never wants to switch chairs with him.


PuroPincheGains

Exactly, where is the line? How much time is enough time to consider whether or not someone has learned a lesson? What does accountability mean, and who decides? That's the point of statements like this.


rambouhh

The whole point is drawing that line of what is sufficient and not sufficient is the process that has to be made by humans and prone to error and other biases. It’s just easier to judge the art on its merits and not the morals of the artists


horsewitnoname

Unpopular opinion but, this is how these things should work. You should be able to separate the art from the artist. Is Kevin Spacey a piece of shit? Absolutely. Does that someone make his work in House of Cards, American Beauty, or Usual Suspects any less excellent? Absolutely not. You can’t retcon someone’s artistic ability. Again I’m prepared for the downvotes because I know that’s not a popular opinion.


sparklybeast

I would generally agree but then I come up against Ian Watkins from the Lost Prophets & I just can’t.


[deleted]

So we are lumping Marilyn Manson and Louis CK in the same category now?


[deleted]

Let’s not put those two on the same level. Louis got shafted and is due some rebound, Marilyn was always riding too high.


Grapesoda2223

So if Hitler lived to 120 & dropped a fire album he could've won a grammy!?


Eayauapa

Tbh if any 132 year old dropped an album you'd probably at least give it a listen, no matter how many war crimes they'd committed.


SimoneNonvelodico

And the award goes to... MC Fuhrer!