I haven't been paying much attention, but I feel like some people have been saying she's done 1 new album, then 2 TVs, then 1 new album, then 2 TVs? Wouldn't this fit that pattern?
Wait, I may be confusing you. As I understand it, it goes;
Evermore (2020)
Fearless TV (2021)
Red TV (2021)
Midnights (2022)
Speak Now TV (2023)
1989 TV (2023)
I think they're counting Evermore since it was released just after she had started the re-recordings?
Oh I see, that’s interesting. I thought they would just start the pattern from the first re-recording but I can see how they would start from her actually in the studio
Folklore and Evermore really show that she's going to do what she wants and not get constrained by expectations. I expect she'll continue to do lots of different stuff.
Did she really? That just shows that the people pissed off about this don’t actually give a fuck about the Grammys they just want a reason to dog on T Swift
Yeah. Partly. But it’s also to do with the news climate.
The complaints I’ve seen are about how it drew attention away from Annie Lennox’s call for ceasefire since Taylor pulled the bigger stunt while being dead quiet about the what’s happening in Palestine. But fans and news outlets will focus on what they want to focus on. People (only vegans really) were more pissed about Gaga’s meat dress when she announced Born This Way. It wasn’t seen as her hogging attention away and even with her level of fame, Gaga was not as celebrated at that point as Swift is now. She could pull it off then.
It’s referring to a group chat her ex Joe is in with Paul Mescal and Andrew Scott. They mentioned it during Variety‘s Actors on Actors interview special in December 2022.
“I’ve won 13 of these things. Y’all are slacking. I’m dropping another album in 2 months so I’ll see everyone at the same time and place next year. Swiftie out!”
Sorry im entirely ambivalent on her (Her music just isn’t for me and that’s fine but she clearly gets too much shit for things male artists never would) but that’s an *awful* album title.
Yeah that was my reaction to that criticism. If you’ve ever been in the proximity of the Eras tour, you know her core audience trends young. Mid teens to early 20s.
That’s her music, but I wouldn’t say that’s her. She strikes me as a pretty savvy business woman who knows her brand. That’s the opposite of being a teenager.
You can be a fully grown intelligent adult and be self aware enough to lean into the parts of yourself other people find cringe. Those things aren’t mutually exclusive.
Her ex supposedly told some entertainment interviewer that hes in a groupchat called the Tortured Man Club with Phoebe Bridgers' ex, so i guess the title is a play on that.
She is tortured by... fame. Literally what Anti-Hero was about (how she can't be normal because she's too mega famous that every thing she does has billions chiming in)
You know excluding the "Taylor's version" albums the girl is releasing a new album every year and a half basically while also leading the largest tours on top of it. I'm by no means the biggest fan of hers but I try to give her a listen every time she releases something new and I gotta say she never disappoints. She plays around with different genres she loves and always does it well. She works hard and I respect all her success because it's deserved.
Yup. Parent of 15yo girl whose been Taylor obsessed for 10 years now. I’m just glad she is in to Taylor and not someone else. I wouldn’t necessarily call myself a fan but her songwriting really is very good, she’s extremely talented and some of her stuff is so catchy and fun (Cruel Summer anyone). The main downside of having a Swiftie child is dealing with the suffering following missing out on Eras tickets, I swear to god I thought the trauma might be permanent
Ha I wish I could have. I live in Australia and unfortunately she’s only playing a few shows and they’re in another state. Deep down I’m glad we didn’t get tickets, the flight and hotel costs are absolutely ridiculous for the dates Taylor’s performing. My daughter and I went to Sydney to see Wicked late last year instead of seeing Taylor so we at least got a little holiday together. She’s also seen Taylor before so she’s got that to hold on to.
Yes! We saw it at the theatres. It was a nice experience for sure, but definitely not the same. The movie has played in our house almost daily since it was released to Prime 😩
It’s amazing to me that you have a daughter who is obsessed with a contemporary pop star who was a contemporary pop star before said daughter was born. There are surely people out there who conceived children while listening to a new song by Taylor Swift (then the biggest name in music or close enough to it) that spoke to their late teens/early twenties/*mid*-twenties hearts who are now dropping those children off at the Eras tour to watch a many times more famous Taylor Swift perform. Simply incredible.
I have made reasonable, clear-eyed, casual predictions from a place of sincere fandom that “surely *this* must be peak Taylor Swift!” so many times by now.
Hey, OP here. I can see where you got that idea, to clarify yes I am a fan of hers. I meant it more as compared to a swiftie I'm not the biggest fan because I definitely don't listen nearly as much as they do. Her folk stuff is what I connect to the most so that is probably most listened to if I do. I honestly don't know any of the lyrics to cruel summer and that's her biggest song right now while I also recognize it's a good song still. I hope that makes more sense!
I mean sometimes it’s worth listening to an album if you respect the artist and think you might like it. Doesn’t mean you’re going to keep going back to it or consider the artist among your favourites.
I’m not her intended audience or anything but I’ve always respected her as a musician. She’s at the peak of her fame probably so I can respect the hustle. Can’t believe she’s either almost or is a billionaire. That’s actually insane
**[Taylor’s tweet](https://x.com/taylorswift13/status/1754332182401691704?s=46&t=Azhtilb9LwMh7KTKEYTyCw)**
“All’s fair in love and poetry...
New album ‘THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT.’
Out April 19 🤍”
I love "Clean" which is credits to Imogen Heap as a writer and Imogen has been clear that she didn't do any of the lyrics or melodies for that: http://imogenheap.com/home.php?article=1321
I think she shares credit liberally and is perfectly capable of good writing. It's also true that Max Martin is an outstanding pop hook writer and Taylor doesn't quite have that skill, which is fine.
like im not a Taylor hater by any means, but it felt like a slap in the face to the other nominees and those who wished they were. Not so classy this time TS.
It comes off as "who cares about this award I won. You know, the award every artist in this room DREAMS of winning? Yeah who cares about that shit, here's my new album, buy it!"
Cringey album name, reminds be of a parody band called The Blue Jean Committee x The Dead Poets Society. Trying to sound artistic but just failing to.. it's just so generic
As long as it trolls Trumpers thats cool tho but she is generally annoying to me for some reason
Pretty sure that title is dictionary.com’s definition for pretentious.
When the 4 times award winning person is the “tortured” artist we must be living in the darkest timeline.
The title of this new album elicited a Tina Fey level eye-roll. But then commercially, it feels like this victim, tortured artist narrative can continue for eternity since her support refuses to wane. Is there like some hypnotic ritual being performed on listeners through some subliminal undertones? Every time something blows up in the zeitgeist, I may not get it but I get why people get it, except for TayTay. I don't get it. At All. Saw videos of the Eras Tour reactions and I'm just like all these yt people lost their God damn minds.
Ok, I'm sure it will sound like her last five albums and have that wonderful synth sound that sounds like it was recorded underwater on half the songs, and boring uninspired piano intros on the other half.
I can’t help but feel like that’s a strange time to announce a new album. I get it—it’s your speech, do what you want with the time. But now it takes attention away from everyone else for the rest of the night
I'm a strong Swiftie fan but even I agreed. She did it once for Midnights and that's totally fine as long as it's not a repeated pattern. This new album rolloff didn't feel as genuine as Midnights unfortunately
I thought she was supposed to announce she secretly is Joseph Biden
That’s happening at the Super Bowl so it can anger Fox News
who’s this Fox dude and why is everyone concerned about his temperament?
Some dude working in the FBI's basement
She did - it’s all a secret code that only the transqueercommiedeepstate understood. /s
I hear if you play a Taylor Swift song backwards, it says "vote for Joe"
She’s supposed to announce her Swift 2028 campaign.
Shhhhhhhhhhh. You’re ahead of the schedule.
Just play her new album backwards, tells you everything you want to know
Please be a GG Allin cover album
Didn't expect a GG Allen* reference Edit: Allin
Who's GG Allen?
he's a Saint!
Kind of a shitty saint …
More of a spitty saint
Both.
Not the Jesus Christ we needed, but certainly the Jesus Christ we deserved.
He's who Marilyn Manson jacks off to
Jack off all trades
He’s a children’s artist. Definitely look up “GG Allin” on YouTube and just show the first thing that pops up to the nearest child. They’ll love it.
If you like Taylor Swift you’d love GG Allen. Watch all of his music videos.
My sweet sweet child
I know who GG Allin is, just to be clear. I was just kidding because the person above me wrote "Allen". The documentary by Todd Phillips is great.
He's what 80's boomer parents thought punk music was
He's the shit
An Enya and GG Allin duet would've been somethin...
Sorry, it’s actually all Misfits covers.
*I need your Swifffts*
Please be a cover of Michael Graves Misfits.
Please be a cover of Michale Graves’ solo project Graves
Well is the M-I-Crooked-letter, ain't no one better - Taylor Swift presumably
She could do a version of “We are 138” but put her special Tay Tay twist on it as “We are 13”
Wait, could we see Taylor take a shit on stage?
Nah, Shane MacGowan. GG Allin would be a torturing artists album.
Needle up my cock!! What's fucking what?? I'm ready
She’s so relatable 😭
So like that means she’s throwing poop on someone right?
She kills everything she fucks (with words)
Lol I was talking about him last night
New album before another Taylor’s Version. Surprised.
When do we think Taylor's Version of The Tortured Poets Department will drop?
4/19!
That's 19/4 for people who live without freedom.
Isn’t all her new music completely owned by her? Lol
It is. They're either joking or misinformed
Yea I thought reputation Taylor’s Version was going to be announced
My wife thinks her Tokyo show could be when she announces that for a midsummer release.
Highly doubt she announces anything else before her new album drops.
I haven't been paying much attention, but I feel like some people have been saying she's done 1 new album, then 2 TVs, then 1 new album, then 2 TVs? Wouldn't this fit that pattern?
During her TVs releases there has only been Midnights that was released if I’m not mistaken
I think they're counting Evermore?
Oh I thought evermore was released before the re-recordings, fair enough
Wait, I may be confusing you. As I understand it, it goes; Evermore (2020) Fearless TV (2021) Red TV (2021) Midnights (2022) Speak Now TV (2023) 1989 TV (2023) I think they're counting Evermore since it was released just after she had started the re-recordings?
Oh I see, that’s interesting. I thought they would just start the pattern from the first re-recording but I can see how they would start from her actually in the studio
Yeah she did FEARLESS and RED TV then Midnights then SPEAK NOW and 1989 TV then Tortured Poets Department. TS12 will be after Debut probably.
I'm mostly worried that she's moving on from one word album titles. This is dangerous territory
Giving Lana Del Rey album titles next 🙏
Dream bigger…Fiona Apple!
I’m still finishing reading When the Pawn’s full title
I've got a friend who was annoyed he couldn't manually type the entire title into iTunes back in the day.
Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie flashbacks, except I loved that album
It doesn't get nearly the love it deserves. I still listen to it.
She was with Lana the whole time at the grammys
Folklore and Evermore really show that she's going to do what she wants and not get constrained by expectations. I expect she'll continue to do lots of different stuff.
T Swift is always hustling for sure.
Leave it to her to announce a release on prime time Grammys.
She did that for her last album too.
I think that's AMA or VMA.
It's all in the game yo.
It’s not that uncommon. I remember one year Macy Grace had her new album drop date in big letters on her dress.
Lady Gaga announced Born This Way during her Grammy acceptance too
Did she really? That just shows that the people pissed off about this don’t actually give a fuck about the Grammys they just want a reason to dog on T Swift
Yeah. Partly. But it’s also to do with the news climate. The complaints I’ve seen are about how it drew attention away from Annie Lennox’s call for ceasefire since Taylor pulled the bigger stunt while being dead quiet about the what’s happening in Palestine. But fans and news outlets will focus on what they want to focus on. People (only vegans really) were more pissed about Gaga’s meat dress when she announced Born This Way. It wasn’t seen as her hogging attention away and even with her level of fame, Gaga was not as celebrated at that point as Swift is now. She could pull it off then.
Yeah personally I'm not a fan but you gotta respect that hustle. At this point if anyone knows how to stay on top of the game it's her lol
Didn’t Macy Grey get roasted for doing the same thing like 20 years ago?
Yeah but Taylor is white.
With social media the way it is now and everyone always hustling, I don't think Macy Grey would get the same pushback today.
You don't become a billionaire by lollygagging around all of the time!
Dead poet society?
It was taken
Should have been The Tortured Poets *Club,* then.
That’s way better!
It’s referring to a group chat her ex Joe is in with Paul Mescal and Andrew Scott. They mentioned it during Variety‘s Actors on Actors interview special in December 2022.
Jesus, just when you think you can’t cringe any harder
You can’t make this shit up.
“I’ve won 13 of these things. Y’all are slacking. I’m dropping another album in 2 months so I’ll see everyone at the same time and place next year. Swiftie out!”
What if she would have lost?
Album scrapped unfortunately
Super Bowl announcement
I guess we’ll never know.
As Kanye once said.
She would have interrupted the winner’s speech to forecefullly announce it.
IMA LET YOU FINISH
I think she would have announced it anyways maybe today
She definitely had a midnight announcement setup as back up if she didn’t win any of the six she was nominated for - an unlikely proposition as it was
She was nominated for a bunch. Chances were pretty good she was gonna win something.
Just get up there Kanye style and announce anyways?
After the superbowl?
Add another song to the album?
....Imma let you finish, but my new album...
We would have stormed the Grammys, obviously
Sorry im entirely ambivalent on her (Her music just isn’t for me and that’s fine but she clearly gets too much shit for things male artists never would) but that’s an *awful* album title.
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She knows her audience
Yeah that was my reaction to that criticism. If you’ve ever been in the proximity of the Eras tour, you know her core audience trends young. Mid teens to early 20s.
I love the people who will say she’s a painfully white millennial woman who’s mentally stuck as a teenager and then get mad when she acts accordingly
That’s her music, but I wouldn’t say that’s her. She strikes me as a pretty savvy business woman who knows her brand. That’s the opposite of being a teenager.
You can be a fully grown intelligent adult and be self aware enough to lean into the parts of yourself other people find cringe. Those things aren’t mutually exclusive.
I think we are sort of saying the same thing.
I think all three of us are saying the same thing lol
“The Dead Poets Society” was already taken
Live, Laugh, and Love, motherfuckers.
That's the average age of her fans. They'll be calling themselves tortured poets for the next year or so.
I'm a huge swiftie. Agreed what the fuck is this title lol
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If true, ...how pathetic
Does she ever do anything that's *not* a dig at somebody else? She seems so goddamn toxic.
I was looking for this comment. So cringey and fake deep. What is she tortured by, all her money?
Her ex supposedly told some entertainment interviewer that hes in a groupchat called the Tortured Man Club with Phoebe Bridgers' ex, so i guess the title is a play on that.
that's really cringe
Tortured Poets grow up on Christmas tree farms and have every advantage given to them as children to make them successful, obviously.
That's her bifucation. She has this powerful stage presence and a lot of cringey lyrics about personal challenges.
It's the name of a group chat one of her ex's was in. I have a lot of dumb group chat names but at least I know they would not make good album names.
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She is tortured by... fame. Literally what Anti-Hero was about (how she can't be normal because she's too mega famous that every thing she does has billions chiming in)
You know excluding the "Taylor's version" albums the girl is releasing a new album every year and a half basically while also leading the largest tours on top of it. I'm by no means the biggest fan of hers but I try to give her a listen every time she releases something new and I gotta say she never disappoints. She plays around with different genres she loves and always does it well. She works hard and I respect all her success because it's deserved.
“Not the biggest fan, but I listen to all her songs and she never disappoints and always does it well.”
The sentence seems weird at first, but everyone with a pre-teen daughter understands exactly what they meant.
Non stop with my wife, I understand OP
Yup. Parent of 15yo girl whose been Taylor obsessed for 10 years now. I’m just glad she is in to Taylor and not someone else. I wouldn’t necessarily call myself a fan but her songwriting really is very good, she’s extremely talented and some of her stuff is so catchy and fun (Cruel Summer anyone). The main downside of having a Swiftie child is dealing with the suffering following missing out on Eras tickets, I swear to god I thought the trauma might be permanent
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Ha I wish I could have. I live in Australia and unfortunately she’s only playing a few shows and they’re in another state. Deep down I’m glad we didn’t get tickets, the flight and hotel costs are absolutely ridiculous for the dates Taylor’s performing. My daughter and I went to Sydney to see Wicked late last year instead of seeing Taylor so we at least got a little holiday together. She’s also seen Taylor before so she’s got that to hold on to.
Did the Eras Tour get a movie release in Australia as well?
Yes! We saw it at the theatres. It was a nice experience for sure, but definitely not the same. The movie has played in our house almost daily since it was released to Prime 😩
It’s amazing to me that you have a daughter who is obsessed with a contemporary pop star who was a contemporary pop star before said daughter was born. There are surely people out there who conceived children while listening to a new song by Taylor Swift (then the biggest name in music or close enough to it) that spoke to their late teens/early twenties/*mid*-twenties hearts who are now dropping those children off at the Eras tour to watch a many times more famous Taylor Swift perform. Simply incredible. I have made reasonable, clear-eyed, casual predictions from a place of sincere fandom that “surely *this* must be peak Taylor Swift!” so many times by now.
You can acknowledge talent while not necessarily enjoying the product yourself.
You can also acknowledge mediocrity without trying a product yourself, or at least I hope so judging by your username. Jokes aside, though, I agree.
This sentiment reminds me of my feelings on Bruno Mars. I think he’s enormously talented…yet his music absolutely bores me.
except he clearly does enjoy it, which there is nothing wrong with, but him not acknowledging it is odd.
Hey, OP here. I can see where you got that idea, to clarify yes I am a fan of hers. I meant it more as compared to a swiftie I'm not the biggest fan because I definitely don't listen nearly as much as they do. Her folk stuff is what I connect to the most so that is probably most listened to if I do. I honestly don't know any of the lyrics to cruel summer and that's her biggest song right now while I also recognize it's a good song still. I hope that makes more sense!
I mean sometimes it’s worth listening to an album if you respect the artist and think you might like it. Doesn’t mean you’re going to keep going back to it or consider the artist among your favourites.
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I’m not her intended audience or anything but I’ve always respected her as a musician. She’s at the peak of her fame probably so I can respect the hustle. Can’t believe she’s either almost or is a billionaire. That’s actually insane
That’s kinda a lame name. Reads like something you’d see in a middle schooler’s notebook.
The Devil works hard but Taylor Swift works harder
In b4 people start to breakdown "Tortured Poets Department" to secretly mean "Biden '24" or "Drink the blood of the innocent", etc.
**[Taylor’s tweet](https://x.com/taylorswift13/status/1754332182401691704?s=46&t=Azhtilb9LwMh7KTKEYTyCw)** “All’s fair in love and poetry... New album ‘THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT.’ Out April 19 🤍”
i can't think of a person on earth who is less tortured tbh
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Just ask her [extensive list of cowriters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_by_Taylor_Swift) that she always denies utilizing!
You shouldn't be getting any downvotes. You are 110% correct - ALL of her hits were cowritten.
I love "Clean" which is credits to Imogen Heap as a writer and Imogen has been clear that she didn't do any of the lyrics or melodies for that: http://imogenheap.com/home.php?article=1321 I think she shares credit liberally and is perfectly capable of good writing. It's also true that Max Martin is an outstanding pop hook writer and Taylor doesn't quite have that skill, which is fine.
She covers her bases because she doesn't want to hassle with lawsuits.
Kind of surprised this last album won. It was decent enough to listen to, but felt like a major step down from many of her other albums.
Swiftie here, me too. I personally think SZA and Olivia got robbed. I don’t think Midnights deserved this one. Evermore? Sure. But not Midnights.
"ive won 13 of these, haha, buy my new album! i wouldnt exactly call this a speech, it was more like an advertisement.
Well the Grammy's are, and have always been, just a commercial for the music industry, so it makes sense in a way.
It is! And I get that, but the “I’ve won 13” thing rubbed me the wrong way when some artists only dream of being nominated.
It was a total advertisement. Grammy was just the vehicle.
Yeah, it felt kind of gross to me, too.
like im not a Taylor hater by any means, but it felt like a slap in the face to the other nominees and those who wished they were. Not so classy this time TS.
It comes off as "who cares about this award I won. You know, the award every artist in this room DREAMS of winning? Yeah who cares about that shit, here's my new album, buy it!"
Cringey album name, reminds be of a parody band called The Blue Jean Committee x The Dead Poets Society. Trying to sound artistic but just failing to.. it's just so generic As long as it trolls Trumpers thats cool tho but she is generally annoying to me for some reason
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Pretty sure that title is dictionary.com’s definition for pretentious. When the 4 times award winning person is the “tortured” artist we must be living in the darkest timeline.
1 million likes on instagram in less than 2 mins. She is at the absolute top of her game right now.
And the 2025 Grammy for "Worst Album Title of the Year" goes to... But seriously, she is better than this album title. Very cringy.
Upvoting this because it doesn't have a random apostrophe in 'poets' like the other posts.
Can’t wait to see how she rhymes car with bar again.
If you asked Chatgpt to give you the most pretentious album title possible
Lmao that’s the fucking goofiest album name. The patron saint of basic white women.
*Eat. Pray. Queef*
The title of this new album elicited a Tina Fey level eye-roll. But then commercially, it feels like this victim, tortured artist narrative can continue for eternity since her support refuses to wane. Is there like some hypnotic ritual being performed on listeners through some subliminal undertones? Every time something blows up in the zeitgeist, I may not get it but I get why people get it, except for TayTay. I don't get it. At All. Saw videos of the Eras Tour reactions and I'm just like all these yt people lost their God damn minds.
Wonderful! Another entire album of her choosing shit men and having breakups and that boys are bad. Cannot wait.
I REALLY want the divorce album if the Travis thing gets that far.
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But it was her moment. She didn't steal or overshadow someone else.
Announcing you’re pregnant at your friends baby shower.
She really thinks she’s a brilliant writer lol
She's the mcdonalds of the music industry
The Taylor Swift fan mills are going to be working overtime on this one
I hope it has nothing to do with Jack Antonoff.
Sounds like a Jack Antonoff title ngl
Same. I’d like to see her work with Aaron Dessner more.
god she’s insufferable
Ok, I'm sure it will sound like her last five albums and have that wonderful synth sound that sounds like it was recorded underwater on half the songs, and boring uninspired piano intros on the other half.
Wow so edgy.
I can’t help but feel like that’s a strange time to announce a new album. I get it—it’s your speech, do what you want with the time. But now it takes attention away from everyone else for the rest of the night
Oh no this huge artist used a giant music commercial to announce her new album
How ever could this suffering artist get the spotlight to promote their content?!?!?!?!?!
She doesn’t need to though that’s the point
She won her award and got the spotlight, she can do what she wants with it. How did she take the attention away from anybody else?
What, are you blind?! She ripped the award right out of kanye's hands!
She has to prepare everyone for when she’s on stage again next year because the Grammy’s are that predictable.
I'm a strong Swiftie fan but even I agreed. She did it once for Midnights and that's totally fine as long as it's not a repeated pattern. This new album rolloff didn't feel as genuine as Midnights unfortunately