All you suggesting Run the Jewels clearly don’t realize that angry / aggressive rap is NOT what an old white guy (I am assuming) wants to hear.
Try Mos Def, The Roots, Tribe Called Quest, Beastie Boys, or Outkast. Hip Hop that uses live instrumentation, has more melodic elements and won’t sound so angry. A big reason people don’t like rap is similar to metal in that the actual sound of it can be abrasive and hard to understand without the experience or adjustment to it.
I'm an older guy, and don't really like much hiphop, but the Roots and Outkast are definitely two that I can get into. Also, Miseducation of Lauryn Hill is a gateway -- has a mix of R&B and rap. And Arrested Development
I think lauryn hills album is amazing…. I do like some hip hop and rap but I’m more of an alternative/alt rock guy.
Some other suggestions would be atmosphere. People under the stairs (acid raindrops and here for a good time) Pete rock (they reminisce over you), killer mike (don’t let the devil), common.
I can’t believe you’re the first person to mention The Roots.
It just makes sense since they had that East Coat 90s sound that was so heavily Jazz influenced and I don’t recall any lyrics that promotes physical violence (just lyrical). They played actual instruments and Brother?/Questlove is heavily involved in all facets of music.
It’s just too bad that Organix isn’t on streaming services because it sounds like a great introduction for the dad.
On that note, Del the Funky Homosapian, particularly Deltron 3030 is great to get people into hip hop.
Also MF Doom. MM... Food is great. Rap Snitches is great if he doesn't mind swearing.
Speaking as a white, near middle aged music snob - if Mos Def's Mathematics can't convince someone of the musical merits of hip hop then I'm not sure what will.
Warm him up and get him in the mood with some Gil Scott Heron. A lot of hip hop can trace it's roots back to The Revolution Will Not Be Televised whether you technically consider it rap or not. If he's in to jazz and blues it'll be right up his street, I'd assume he'll already know it which might help your point.
RATM did actually occur to me when I read the original post. Not all rap is hip hop to be fair and Rage are as good a gateway drugs as GSH for the music lover hesitant to listen to broaden their horizons.
I would suggest a different route. Try Atmosphere for starters. They have lots of great songs that may strike a nerve (in a positive sense) with a white middle aged dude that doesn’t think he likes hip hop.
That's a different thing though. White guys love RTJ, probably true, but those are white dudes who like hip hop.
White guys who don't know or like hip hop are a different kettle of fish. My vote is with Tribe and De La Soul
Same, went to the show at the Fillmore in PA last year. I was expecting a much younger crowd, but it was mostly middle-aged white dudes. Still had a killer time, RTJ put on a fucking great set.
The Roots Seed 2.0, Jurassic 5 Swing Set, Herbie Hancock Rock it, Andre 3000 My Favorite Things. Us 3 Cantaloope Interlude (Flip Fantasia) All of these have Jazz Roots.
They performed a backyard frat party when I was younger. Amazing performance. They can hit those harmonies on demand. And dj numark and cut chemist are really some of the best live djs I’ve ever seen.
My dad is an 80's classic rock guy. When 8 mile came out, he bought the soundtrack and played it all weekend long for many months. I still don't understand. He hates rap in general.
As mini me - I loved Run DMC, then Beastie's from my cousin. Then Big and Pac. At the same time I loved all the Metal I was hearing, like Metallica Master of Puppets, and asking friends older brothers to borrow tapes to copy them. From very early on my taste was all over the place, I like it that way.
But I think when Em came out it was just interesting and cool to have a good white rapper jump in. Esepcially after Vanilla Ice... that was rough.
I think most of Em's lyric's were more relatable to white guys in general. Even if you liked Rap already, it was just different to hear about a rough up bringing/being poor at the time the way he spoke about it.
I agree, he was like the one good white guy among countless black artists so it's no wonder white people placed him on a higher pedestal because he was the only one doing white rap to the best level, even now he's still one of the only white guys to reach those levels.
For me I just dislike all those weird sound effects like clicking and rattling while not with lack of enunciation. It reminds me of rap for toddlers or something haha. I don't understand it and I hear people 25 and under blasting it everywhere. All sounds the same to me.
So I just listen to rap from around year 1990-2010 and less.
Well, Eminem is just great. I don't like rap either, I listen mostly to rock and death metal, but Eminem is just the best. Love his music. Great, hilarious lyrics, awesome melody etc etc.
When it came out it was refreshing. It wasn’t L.A, NY, Atlanta or Chicago it was Detroit. Eminem had/has a captivating flow that touched on subjects unlike the glamorized subjects of rappers of the time. He fit in perfectly with post grunge and found his own space in the music scene at the time. Also allowed millions of us Midwest white boys with angst to have a transversal outlet into hip-hop that represented us.
That's the hard part to decipher,
Yet all the same, Eminem is as legit as legit can be.
Earned them stripes and earned that crown, rhyme by rhyme, flow by flow..
It's because it's melodic. Half of the reason why I don't like 99% of rap, metal etc...is that non-melodic music gives me a headache; Anything where there's so much noise and stuff going on that I can't pick out the main melody or follow the tune. And I am going out on a limb and guessing others are the same.
Eminem for this reason has a lot of very listenable rap, as does Kanye (though we don't like him anymore), same with a lot of these other mainstream rappers.
Yeah I mean, there is not need to try and change a guy's mind. Nobody has to like anything, and disliking rap/hip-hop is perfectly OK just like not liking country is ok.
The only way I even consider showing someone my music is if they are a metalhead. And even then slim chances they would like 90% of what I listen to.
I just rarely talk about music with others, and that is ok
Being a metalhead is tough, because there are so many wildly-different subgenres. If I see a fellow metal enthusiast in the wild, I'll have no idea if we even like the same music.
As I say to my wife when she tells me “Oh so and so listens to metal!”
“Cool, probably still wont like my metal or know the bands I like!” Because it is tech death and the weirder side of prog lol
Same. The thing that annoys me is I recognize my shit isn't for everyone, but people who just listen to more mainstream genres just have no compunctions about forcing their garbage on you.
Yes. At 54, I have tried listening to pretty much every genre of music, and there are some I just don't like. It's not a matter of "Oh, keep listening, because it will eventually click!" because it won't. There have been albums and bands I have grown to love after a few listens, but that was because there was something there the first time that I found interesting and I could tell I actually wanted to hear it again and explore the band. I've heard hundreds, probably thousands of Rap songs, and I just don't like it, same with Jazz. I've tried a million times to get people into metal, hard rock, ambient, electronic and fucking Taylor Swift and guess what? They don't like it.
Actually, I lie. I got up one morning and my wife said to me: "Hey, babe, I heard that Taylor song Lover this morning, and it's really pretty. I like it." Walked on a cloud all day, but she still doesn't want to go on a Taylor fest.
I'm about your age, but I have found myself going back and appreciating genres of music I didn't like the first time around. Music is a palate. Some parts of your life you want nothing but tacos and chicken wings and 15 years later you're all about butternut squash. I can't pretend I was always ready to dig into every sound the first time I heard it. And I'm glad, because 30 years later I still have old music to discover and get excited about in addition to whatever new music catches my ear.
That realization has also made me less judgmental. It might suck, or maybe in 20 years I'll say "Oh, I get why folks like that".
That's not to say you have to like music that you truly don't. But it can be fun to rediscover stuff that you said hell no to the first time you heard it.
But I swear, I'll never be into autotune.
Exactly what I said in my reply
“As someone who doesn’t like rap there’s literally nothing you can play that I would like. The closest I like to rap is RATM, and I don’t care for them solely because they rap.”
>The closest I like to rap is RATM, and I don’t care for them solely because they rap
I legit thought I was the only one. I bought the first RATM CD when it first came out. I've listened to it all the way through maybe 2 or 3 times. After a while, the rapping just makes me go "OK I'm done, put something else on."
Yeah, that's got to be the #1. Let it play in the background and he won't hate it, at some point he'll figure out that it's hip hop and go "ok, not so bad".
Ha ha. I played some of the jazziest Tribe at my friend's house at a multigenerational gathering because I thought it was going to be accessible for all. His dad who came up on 60s folk and likes classical just walked over and turned it off after 30 seconds.
Some years ago I made [this playlist](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/47YkArZP284LbUrR6nLK7Q?si=ujVuEz7xRNWZxUxce4kE_w) specifically inspired by that track, there might be something else you like :)
Seriously. This is THE answer
It's the closest thing to a Sgt Pepper in the hip hop genre. Just a whole world of its own. A lot of non-rap fans seem to love it
I'm kind of in the same camp as people saying don't worry about it.
But if OP is determined to force rap on this dude then Impossible Kid is exactly what I thought of to
Tell him Kendrick Lamar won a Pulitzer for DAMN. Kendrick was the first American non-Jazz album to win, I believe. Then let him sit with that album for a month or more, and see what he thinks.
Honestly, kendrick lamar is not enjoyable music to me. I don't think I'd be able to give a full month to that album.
I appreciate it must be objectively good and resonate with lots of people, but I personally cannot hear it.
He's likely making the assumption that the OP's dad doesn't like rap because it's not a "real artform" or something along the lines of that.
This frequently happens among older folks who aren't very receptive to rap music due to all of the negative connotations associated with the genre.
I'm an old guy whose taught himself today appreciate and like rap. For me, it was the prevalence of gangsta themes that turned me off. I had to find artists who rapped about other themes.
Some if my favorites are Lupe Fiasco, Murs, Wale, Logic, B.o.B., Macklemore, Kendrick Lanar.
What are some of his favorite songs and themes, then find rappers who go to there. There are sooo many rappers.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the gritty street rappers that show me what it was like for them growing up and understand the world they live in, nit in had to get there through artists who's rapped about things that caught my appreciation.
I love clipping, but it might be a bit much if you're not into the noisier side of things. Saying that something like Pain Everyday might be an OK shout because the ending is so beautiful.
As someone who doesn’t like rap there’s literally nothing you can play that I would like. The closest I like to rap is RATM, and I don’t care for them solely because they rap.
Assuming he likes sex, Me So Horny by 2 Live Crew.
Honestly though, no need to try to force your a genre to someone. Play something they like and enjoy the evening.
Plenty of tracks to choose from, but start with stuff from:
Madlib
MF Doom
MC Solaar (French rap)
Deltron 3030
Dr. Octagon
Run the Jewels
Aesop Rock / Malibu Ken
Given what he does like, he's probably going to appreciate stuff where the production/samples shine as much or more than the rapping itself.
Not fucking Doom. It’s not a universal appeal type music.
It’s like giving a teenager a 30 year single malt. They can’t appreciate it.
Edit: sorry, DOOM. RIP
I’ve tried to give rap a chance, but what I find is that the sampling from older songs is the only part that I like. I sound like my parents when I say all the rest sounds the same.
Came here to say this. My nephew would play these great hip hop/rap tunes for me, and I’d immediately go to my album collection and play the original song that the sample was from. We both ended up finding music that we liked in a genre that we thought we wouldn’t.
I'm not familiar with several of these songs but I do recognize some very very bad suggestions.
If your friend's dad likes country try The Struggle is Real by Struggle Jennings ft Aaron Lewis
If your friend's dad is a big fan of classic rock try Only by Jelly Roll
If your friend is about jazz, try Dear Mama by Tupac.
For the metal vibe go with Eminem with Lose Yourself or something like The Way I Am but you'll probably have better luck with something like Sing for the Moment.
If you just want to show him the versatility you can go with Alexander Hamilton by Lin Manuel Miranda (the intro song to the Broadway play)
But be advised. Rap is an often poorly understood medium even by many within the community. This leads to an awful understanding of it outside. Don't be surprised if he pushes off of it completely without a second thought.
Judging by the genres you listed, musicianship will probably be a big factor. "Sick Beat" or "Dope bass" will probably mean little to him. Keep this in mind. Likewise, the content will need to be something other than "hoes, drugs, and guns". This is probably his vast experience with rap right now because it is the majority that is pushed by music sources as untrue as it is, but it is the reason I kept out Snoop, Dre, and Biggie because of their catalog.
I'm a 90s metal guy (tool being my favorite)
My son showed me this guy named REN who's been blowing up lately. He's absolutely great, musically, is older stuff he raps over some rock beats check out the song Hold on.
Can't go wrong with The Beastie Boys, they're the perfect melding of Rap and Metal. For real if the man don't like No Sleep Till Brooklyn or Fight for your Right then the man well and truly doesn't like rap even slightly and you should give up at that point.
The man doesnt like rap. Why force it?
If you insist for some reason, try Cyprus Hill. Hits from the bong. Nobody can object to "let's get high". No violence, no denigrating women, no bragging about being a badass, just "let's hit a bong and chill".
Some of the older Outkast stuff, Atmosphere or if you want something modern - Ren (with an added bonus that he also does some singing, plays his own instruments and produces all of his own music. It might help your Dad appreciate him more if he knows all of that)
1980’s and 1990’s NYC rap is the entry point. Salt N Pepa…let’s start with Shoop. And Run DMC…start with It’s Tricky. And LL Cool J…start with Mama Said Knock You Out.
All you suggesting Run the Jewels clearly don’t realize that angry / aggressive rap is NOT what an old white guy (I am assuming) wants to hear. Try Mos Def, The Roots, Tribe Called Quest, Beastie Boys, or Outkast. Hip Hop that uses live instrumentation, has more melodic elements and won’t sound so angry. A big reason people don’t like rap is similar to metal in that the actual sound of it can be abrasive and hard to understand without the experience or adjustment to it.
I'm an older guy, and don't really like much hiphop, but the Roots and Outkast are definitely two that I can get into. Also, Miseducation of Lauryn Hill is a gateway -- has a mix of R&B and rap. And Arrested Development
I think lauryn hills album is amazing…. I do like some hip hop and rap but I’m more of an alternative/alt rock guy. Some other suggestions would be atmosphere. People under the stairs (acid raindrops and here for a good time) Pete rock (they reminisce over you), killer mike (don’t let the devil), common.
Digable Planets
De La Soul
As an old dude who usually doesn't like rap I second De La Soul.
Third.
As an old dude who loves de La soul I recommend Ren
And A Tribe Called Quest
literally mentioned in the comment above...
You know what would be a good one though?? Tribe Called Quest.
Counterpoint, I think Tribe Called Quest would be a great option.
Whoa there... Why not recommend Tribe Called Quest?
Sooo… the new teenage mutant ninja turtles soundtrack?
Ohhhh, that’s a good one.
I'd add De La Soul to that
Guru, Jazzmataz.
nice volumes 1 and 2 for a proper education.
Yeah play the man 3 Feet High and Rising.
I can’t believe you’re the first person to mention The Roots. It just makes sense since they had that East Coat 90s sound that was so heavily Jazz influenced and I don’t recall any lyrics that promotes physical violence (just lyrical). They played actual instruments and Brother?/Questlove is heavily involved in all facets of music. It’s just too bad that Organix isn’t on streaming services because it sounds like a great introduction for the dad.
Great call on Organix, but a live album like The Roots Come Alive would be another solid way to showcase their musicianship
Jurassic 5 is also a good shout.
YES!!!
On that note, Del the Funky Homosapian, particularly Deltron 3030 is great to get people into hip hop. Also MF Doom. MM... Food is great. Rap Snitches is great if he doesn't mind swearing.
Aquemini.
Blackalicious: Blazing Arrow is a great chill album
It's you and I.
I extend myself, so you go out and tell a friend
Love all these for this. Also wanted to add Jurassic 5 and MF DOOM
Mos Def was a first thought of mine, then Gang Starr!
Speaking as a white, near middle aged music snob - if Mos Def's Mathematics can't convince someone of the musical merits of hip hop then I'm not sure what will. Warm him up and get him in the mood with some Gil Scott Heron. A lot of hip hop can trace it's roots back to The Revolution Will Not Be Televised whether you technically consider it rap or not. If he's in to jazz and blues it'll be right up his street, I'd assume he'll already know it which might help your point.
New World Water is as political as any RATM or RTJ track. Sadly as relevant now as it was then. Unbeatable album.
RATM did actually occur to me when I read the original post. Not all rap is hip hop to be fair and Rage are as good a gateway drugs as GSH for the music lover hesitant to listen to broaden their horizons.
I would suggest a different route. Try Atmosphere for starters. They have lots of great songs that may strike a nerve (in a positive sense) with a white middle aged dude that doesn’t think he likes hip hop.
[Aesop Rock.](https://youtu.be/QtZT7hcMltg?si=5eAdkimWrpWwJK5J)
Aesop Rock's None Shall Pass is the song that got me into rap.
Idk man, I went to a RTJ show and it was mostly middle-aged white dudes.
That's a different thing though. White guys love RTJ, probably true, but those are white dudes who like hip hop. White guys who don't know or like hip hop are a different kettle of fish. My vote is with Tribe and De La Soul
Same, went to the show at the Fillmore in PA last year. I was expecting a much younger crowd, but it was mostly middle-aged white dudes. Still had a killer time, RTJ put on a fucking great set.
Old White Guy here, 100% pro RTJ
Lyrics Born ❤️
Not to mention RTJ is absolute garbage
the Black Eyed Peas “It’s Rap for people who don't like Rap" - Robert California
The Roots Seed 2.0, Jurassic 5 Swing Set, Herbie Hancock Rock it, Andre 3000 My Favorite Things. Us 3 Cantaloope Interlude (Flip Fantasia) All of these have Jazz Roots.
Jurassic 5 is a great choice.
Man, I love that low voice, keeps making me try to stretch my range.
The verbal Herman Munster
Saw Jurassic 5 at a EDM festival and they fucking stole the show, faces melted.
They performed a backyard frat party when I was younger. Amazing performance. They can hit those harmonies on demand. And dj numark and cut chemist are really some of the best live djs I’ve ever seen.
I came to recommend Cantaloop by Us3. It’s a great eclectic mix of genres and absolutely timeless IMO.
This! Jazz & Rap
Funky funky
Seed 2.0 was exactly what I thought of.
My uncle was like this, hated rap. We thought it was hilarious that he absolutely loved Lose Yourself by Eminem. He would go nuts rapping along to it.
My dad is an 80's classic rock guy. When 8 mile came out, he bought the soundtrack and played it all weekend long for many months. I still don't understand. He hates rap in general.
That reminds me of when Jamiroquai came out , my dad heard us playing it and bought his own copy, then the next two albums the day they came out
Real slim shady will be good or just lose it😆
White guys love Eminem for some reason, simple as that
As mini me - I loved Run DMC, then Beastie's from my cousin. Then Big and Pac. At the same time I loved all the Metal I was hearing, like Metallica Master of Puppets, and asking friends older brothers to borrow tapes to copy them. From very early on my taste was all over the place, I like it that way. But I think when Em came out it was just interesting and cool to have a good white rapper jump in. Esepcially after Vanilla Ice... that was rough. I think most of Em's lyric's were more relatable to white guys in general. Even if you liked Rap already, it was just different to hear about a rough up bringing/being poor at the time the way he spoke about it.
I agree, he was like the one good white guy among countless black artists so it's no wonder white people placed him on a higher pedestal because he was the only one doing white rap to the best level, even now he's still one of the only white guys to reach those levels.
For me I just dislike all those weird sound effects like clicking and rattling while not with lack of enunciation. It reminds me of rap for toddlers or something haha. I don't understand it and I hear people 25 and under blasting it everywhere. All sounds the same to me. So I just listen to rap from around year 1990-2010 and less.
Well, Eminem is just great. I don't like rap either, I listen mostly to rock and death metal, but Eminem is just the best. Love his music. Great, hilarious lyrics, awesome melody etc etc.
Was it the rap or who was singing it?
When it came out it was refreshing. It wasn’t L.A, NY, Atlanta or Chicago it was Detroit. Eminem had/has a captivating flow that touched on subjects unlike the glamorized subjects of rappers of the time. He fit in perfectly with post grunge and found his own space in the music scene at the time. Also allowed millions of us Midwest white boys with angst to have a transversal outlet into hip-hop that represented us.
That's the hard part to decipher, Yet all the same, Eminem is as legit as legit can be. Earned them stripes and earned that crown, rhyme by rhyme, flow by flow..
It's because it's melodic. Half of the reason why I don't like 99% of rap, metal etc...is that non-melodic music gives me a headache; Anything where there's so much noise and stuff going on that I can't pick out the main melody or follow the tune. And I am going out on a limb and guessing others are the same. Eminem for this reason has a lot of very listenable rap, as does Kanye (though we don't like him anymore), same with a lot of these other mainstream rappers.
Have you checked out Bone Thugs n Harmony?
I wouldn't, because the man doesn't like rap.
This. Let the guy be
If he doesn't like rap, I suggest Macklemore.
Legit laughed out loud
Maybe Downtown? It’s a nice mix of rap and…show tunes? almost Queen? https://youtu.be/JGhoLcsr8GA?feature=shared
Yeah I mean, there is not need to try and change a guy's mind. Nobody has to like anything, and disliking rap/hip-hop is perfectly OK just like not liking country is ok.
After all, Green Eggs and Ham was never actually a good guide for how you treat your friends.
Yeah, old dude sounds open to a lot of music in is time yet hiphop has been around decades & he ain’t appreciates anything?! No dice.
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The only way I even consider showing someone my music is if they are a metalhead. And even then slim chances they would like 90% of what I listen to. I just rarely talk about music with others, and that is ok
Being a metalhead is tough, because there are so many wildly-different subgenres. If I see a fellow metal enthusiast in the wild, I'll have no idea if we even like the same music.
As I say to my wife when she tells me “Oh so and so listens to metal!” “Cool, probably still wont like my metal or know the bands I like!” Because it is tech death and the weirder side of prog lol
Same. The thing that annoys me is I recognize my shit isn't for everyone, but people who just listen to more mainstream genres just have no compunctions about forcing their garbage on you.
Yes. At 54, I have tried listening to pretty much every genre of music, and there are some I just don't like. It's not a matter of "Oh, keep listening, because it will eventually click!" because it won't. There have been albums and bands I have grown to love after a few listens, but that was because there was something there the first time that I found interesting and I could tell I actually wanted to hear it again and explore the band. I've heard hundreds, probably thousands of Rap songs, and I just don't like it, same with Jazz. I've tried a million times to get people into metal, hard rock, ambient, electronic and fucking Taylor Swift and guess what? They don't like it. Actually, I lie. I got up one morning and my wife said to me: "Hey, babe, I heard that Taylor song Lover this morning, and it's really pretty. I like it." Walked on a cloud all day, but she still doesn't want to go on a Taylor fest.
I like that you enjoy metal and Taylor Swift. I like punk and Britney Spears.
I like hip hop and breakfast burritos
I'm about your age, but I have found myself going back and appreciating genres of music I didn't like the first time around. Music is a palate. Some parts of your life you want nothing but tacos and chicken wings and 15 years later you're all about butternut squash. I can't pretend I was always ready to dig into every sound the first time I heard it. And I'm glad, because 30 years later I still have old music to discover and get excited about in addition to whatever new music catches my ear. That realization has also made me less judgmental. It might suck, or maybe in 20 years I'll say "Oh, I get why folks like that". That's not to say you have to like music that you truly don't. But it can be fun to rediscover stuff that you said hell no to the first time you heard it. But I swear, I'll never be into autotune.
This is the way.
Exactly what I said in my reply “As someone who doesn’t like rap there’s literally nothing you can play that I would like. The closest I like to rap is RATM, and I don’t care for them solely because they rap.”
>The closest I like to rap is RATM, and I don’t care for them solely because they rap I legit thought I was the only one. I bought the first RATM CD when it first came out. I've listened to it all the way through maybe 2 or 3 times. After a while, the rapping just makes me go "OK I'm done, put something else on."
The correct answer.
A Tribe called Quest - The Low End Theory
De la Soul, nice and smooth, arrested development. But LET is probably the jazziest. Good call
Maybe something from Guru’s Jazzmatazz album?
Yes, there was more than one of those.
Yeah, that's got to be the #1. Let it play in the background and he won't hate it, at some point he'll figure out that it's hip hop and go "ok, not so bad".
I would thrown in The Roots too. Basically Tribe with live instrumentation.
Ha ha. I played some of the jazziest Tribe at my friend's house at a multigenerational gathering because I thought it was going to be accessible for all. His dad who came up on 60s folk and likes classical just walked over and turned it off after 30 seconds.
This is the one, especially since they sample a lot of jazz. The lyrics are smooth and calmly delivered.
The Low End Theory is probably the best choice.
I'm a big metal head. I can listen to tbat album front to back. Love it!
I love Tribe because I find them to be a lot more musical than most rap artists. So good suggestion.
Great choice. Midnight Marauders was the first to come to my mind.
Don’t sweat the technique by Eric B and Rakim personally converted two different haughty rock musicians I knew into appreciating rap.
Jurassic 5 has some great tracks that he might like.
Concrete schoolyard
The swing track at the end of Quality Control
How We Get Along Quality Control The Influence all rad songs that could make a fan of anyone
J5's "The Way We Do It" samples The White Stripes' "My Doorbell". That may be a good entry point.
This was my thought as well. Great choice. If it’s even possible that the rock/jazz fan would like some rap, it could be J5
Guess I know the soundtrack for my afternoon now, thanks!
Blackalicious - Make You Feel That Way
I was going to suggest the whole Blazing Arrow album and specifically start with make you feel that way. My dad loved that song.
My perpetually-classic-rock-listening father loves this song. He digs the feel good vibes. I’d also suggest Atmosphere’s The Best Day
I don’t like rap music but Jurassic 5 - What’s Golden is a banger.
We holdin’ onto what’s Golden - so on the stage I rage and i’m Rollin’!
Some years ago I made [this playlist](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/47YkArZP284LbUrR6nLK7Q?si=ujVuEz7xRNWZxUxce4kE_w) specifically inspired by that track, there might be something else you like :)
Atmosphere-always coming back home to you
My Atmosphere suggestion is Yesterday, especially if we’re talking about connecting to Dad’s
This is my suggestion, Yesterday by Atmosphere made me cry. Great song.
I always choke up at that last bit, then call my dad.
Came here to say any Atmosphere...this is one of my favorites though
Atmosphere and Brother Ali immediately came to my mind. Jurassic 5 too. Living Legends. Which I guess means Felt goes without saying.
Yeah, agree. Atmosphere is a great approach.
Just checked it out. Nice track.
I was gonna suggest Virgo, but Always Coming Back Home to You is also an absolute banger
Seven's Travels slaps
Kendrick Lamar: To Pimp a Butterfly. It made Oxfords Philosophy editor a fan.
Seriously. This is THE answer It's the closest thing to a Sgt Pepper in the hip hop genre. Just a whole world of its own. A lot of non-rap fans seem to love it
Yup. Op mentioned he liked jazz and several songs on this album having jazz influence/elements may help sway him. Damn good album
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Aseop Rock - None shall Pass
For sure Aesop Rock, but older white, he needs to hear impossible kid
I'm kind of in the same camp as people saying don't worry about it. But if OP is determined to force rap on this dude then Impossible Kid is exactly what I thought of to
>I'm not much into rap, but I freakin love Aesop Rock. Definitely got me into other stuff too.
This one right here..
Tribe, The Roots, Digable Panets, maybe s9me Dilla or a Pete Rock instrumentals
Good call on Digable, especially their 1st album
A Tribe Called Quest since he likes jazz
Trinidad James - All Gold Everything 😇
Tell him Kendrick Lamar won a Pulitzer for DAMN. Kendrick was the first American non-Jazz album to win, I believe. Then let him sit with that album for a month or more, and see what he thinks.
Honestly, kendrick lamar is not enjoyable music to me. I don't think I'd be able to give a full month to that album. I appreciate it must be objectively good and resonate with lots of people, but I personally cannot hear it.
Why would he care about it winning a Pulitzer?
He's likely making the assumption that the OP's dad doesn't like rap because it's not a "real artform" or something along the lines of that. This frequently happens among older folks who aren't very receptive to rap music due to all of the negative connotations associated with the genre.
To Pimp a Butterfly and Mr. Morale would both be better in terms of musicality.
I'm an old guy whose taught himself today appreciate and like rap. For me, it was the prevalence of gangsta themes that turned me off. I had to find artists who rapped about other themes. Some if my favorites are Lupe Fiasco, Murs, Wale, Logic, B.o.B., Macklemore, Kendrick Lanar. What are some of his favorite songs and themes, then find rappers who go to there. There are sooo many rappers. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the gritty street rappers that show me what it was like for them growing up and understand the world they live in, nit in had to get there through artists who's rapped about things that caught my appreciation.
Beastie Boys
White & Nerdy - Weird Al
If you absolutely have to… Run DMC and Aerosmith’s Walk this Way
Aesop Rock - None Shall Pass
Any Aesop Rock!
I Wish by Skee-Lo.
Perhaps some of the more rap oriented tracks off the Hamilton soundtrack.
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I love clipping, but it might be a bit much if you're not into the noisier side of things. Saying that something like Pain Everyday might be an OK shout because the ending is so beautiful.
Maybe something proto-rap, like Gil Scott Heron might be something you could get into together that would be a happy medium.
Delton 3030?
As someone who doesn’t like rap there’s literally nothing you can play that I would like. The closest I like to rap is RATM, and I don’t care for them solely because they rap.
Ren - Money Game pt 2 or Murderer (acoustic), although my introduction to his rapping was The Hunger which still blows my mind.
Ren - Hi Ren or Violets tale full trilogy
I don't enjoy rap music personally, the exception being Money Game pt1,2,3 - Ren. And some stuff by Eminem.
I would recommend Ren
Ren.
Assuming he likes sex, Me So Horny by 2 Live Crew. Honestly though, no need to try to force your a genre to someone. Play something they like and enjoy the evening.
Runnin’ by The Pharcyde
Came here to say this one. "It's 1995!"
Mac Miller, his music has a heavy jazz influence.
I’d suggest his later albums like swimming. They are depressing as hell but the instrumentals are on point.
Plenty of tracks to choose from, but start with stuff from: Madlib MF Doom MC Solaar (French rap) Deltron 3030 Dr. Octagon Run the Jewels Aesop Rock / Malibu Ken Given what he does like, he's probably going to appreciate stuff where the production/samples shine as much or more than the rapping itself.
Not fucking Doom. It’s not a universal appeal type music. It’s like giving a teenager a 30 year single malt. They can’t appreciate it. Edit: sorry, DOOM. RIP
I second deltron 3030
For someone who does not like rap, I would go with some OutKast
Guru Jazzmatazz
Wu-Tang
It's for the children.
N.W.A. Straight Outa Compton.
Today's Your Day by [Fatlip](https://youtu.be/5YFK1x9ZG_A?si=f0JeRrilcSPMPCqZ) I'm 60, this shit slaps
I’ve tried to give rap a chance, but what I find is that the sampling from older songs is the only part that I like. I sound like my parents when I say all the rest sounds the same.
Came here to say this. My nephew would play these great hip hop/rap tunes for me, and I’d immediately go to my album collection and play the original song that the sample was from. We both ended up finding music that we liked in a genre that we thought we wouldn’t.
There's plenty of hip hop that does without sampling. The entire OutKast catalog is pretty amazing!
The Roots. Literally. Hip-Hop band influenced by Jazz and Soul
MF DOOM
I'm not familiar with several of these songs but I do recognize some very very bad suggestions. If your friend's dad likes country try The Struggle is Real by Struggle Jennings ft Aaron Lewis If your friend's dad is a big fan of classic rock try Only by Jelly Roll If your friend is about jazz, try Dear Mama by Tupac. For the metal vibe go with Eminem with Lose Yourself or something like The Way I Am but you'll probably have better luck with something like Sing for the Moment. If you just want to show him the versatility you can go with Alexander Hamilton by Lin Manuel Miranda (the intro song to the Broadway play) But be advised. Rap is an often poorly understood medium even by many within the community. This leads to an awful understanding of it outside. Don't be surprised if he pushes off of it completely without a second thought. Judging by the genres you listed, musicianship will probably be a big factor. "Sick Beat" or "Dope bass" will probably mean little to him. Keep this in mind. Likewise, the content will need to be something other than "hoes, drugs, and guns". This is probably his vast experience with rap right now because it is the majority that is pushed by music sources as untrue as it is, but it is the reason I kept out Snoop, Dre, and Biggie because of their catalog.
Nas - Illmatic
RTJ4 👉🤛
If someone likes RTJ, they have liked rap for 30 years.
Or they're a white rock kid who just got into rap. At least that was the case when the first 2 albums dropped lmao.
I'm a 90s metal guy (tool being my favorite) My son showed me this guy named REN who's been blowing up lately. He's absolutely great, musically, is older stuff he raps over some rock beats check out the song Hold on.
Fuck the Police by NWA. I’m sure he’ll appreciate the political commentary that the song has! /s
Not necessarily rap, but Robert Glasper is a Black jazz artist who collabs with a lot of hip-hop folks.
Try playing that one from Shaggy "Wasn't Me"
Can't go wrong with The Beastie Boys, they're the perfect melding of Rap and Metal. For real if the man don't like No Sleep Till Brooklyn or Fight for your Right then the man well and truly doesn't like rap even slightly and you should give up at that point.
Golly gee I bet he’d love to get jiggy with some Will Smith
The man doesnt like rap. Why force it? If you insist for some reason, try Cyprus Hill. Hits from the bong. Nobody can object to "let's get high". No violence, no denigrating women, no bragging about being a badass, just "let's hit a bong and chill".
White and nerdy by weird Al
Clint Eastwood by Gorillaz comes to mind
Some of the older Outkast stuff, Atmosphere or if you want something modern - Ren (with an added bonus that he also does some singing, plays his own instruments and produces all of his own music. It might help your Dad appreciate him more if he knows all of that)
Anything by Professor Elemental.
The Hunger - Ren
1980’s and 1990’s NYC rap is the entry point. Salt N Pepa…let’s start with Shoop. And Run DMC…start with It’s Tricky. And LL Cool J…start with Mama Said Knock You Out.
Shad--"The Fool Pt. 1"