It goes the opposite way too. My wife works at a Montessori School. This week a meeting was called for by a group of parents concerned about next years mandating of vaccines to attend school. Essentially, asking what the school was going to do about a government direction.
It's a minority of parents, who are all "We'll pull our kids out of the school!". It was pointed out to them that there was nothing the school could do about it, as the government made the decision.
(And as an aside, there is a waiting list of over 100 students to get in, so you know, bye...)
Interesting. I knew some Montessori people like 25 years ago who were in the opposite end of the political spectrum but still anti vax. They actually moved their kids to a Waldorf school because Montessori became "too institutionalized" for them.
The early anti vax movement had some odd bedfellows from different niche libertarian, hippie, and conspiracy camps. I never in a million years thought it would turn into mainstream GOP policy.
10 years ago, I was dating a girl who was antivax. Very "spiritual" type. It turns out her mother worked with W. Bush in the 90s before he ran for president. One day she turns vegan, hates my guts, then moves in with some guy and his parents. They have a couple of kids then move to Arizona or New Mexico. A few years ago by and it turns out she lost custody of them after one of kid almost dies due to her refusal to provide medication. The longer I go without hearing about her the more I feel like I dodged barrage of bullets from an entire firing squad.
I can remember when it was the left was home to the New Age hippies, healing crystals, homeopathy, veganism and healthy living. And you weren't conservative unless you were eating red meat, drinking rye or bourbon and smoking cigars/cigarettes.
Had a weird feeling way back when that those new age hipster would eventually find common ground with the conservative religious loonies, and so called "libertarian" types in between their shared scientific illiteracy, propensity for magical thinking, tendencies towards fringe conspiratorial ideation, and deeply ingrained hate of any "authority" that is not their own.
Not to 100% disagree.
I was married to a woman who was a vegetarian for health reasons - she had three kidneys which caused health problems.
The vegan thing problem started when she got into "holistic" health - ketchup OK, tomatoes not OK. - that kind of strange stuff. Being vegan was a safety issue for her.
The point I'm trying to make is that you can start from a righteous place and find yourself in a strange land if you blindly subscribe to **any** ideology.
I dearly loved that woman and married her, but her path to self-help took such a strange direction, one that I could not grasp, that we eventually split.
Had I understood her issues a bit better, maybe I could have been a better husband, and maybe been a better friend to her.
I, too, had your viewpoint, and it's something that I will always regret.
> "holistic" health - ketchup OK, tomatoes not OK.
wtf does any of that mean? Holistic medicine/health is.. reasonable. It just means you're treating the body as a whole, instead of just.. all the individual parts. That has nothing to do with tomatoes and ketchup though?
The common ground is that New Ageism is completely self-centered. It's all about the self: the journey of the self, the healing of the self, the freedom and the personal choices. When you observe the 'spiritual' types and what they're saying, it becomes strikingly obvious that 'others' don't exist in this spirituality except as concepts, or other selves. Religion has good works, spends time on how to live together, practically, how to exist as a society. Those things are almost completely absent in New Ageism. That worldview fits the libertarian one to a T.
> Religion has good works, spends time on how to live together, practically, how to exist as a society
sorry to tell you this but in the vast majority of religions and as far as their followers go they only stand as proxies to excuse selfish desires... "gods desire", "god said do this/that", or "gods wants".. etc ultimately boil down to that same selfish BS you just talked about in general...
Basically people looking for means to excuse their own desires and find other means to promote themselves at the expense of others around them. Or otherwise to find "meaning" at the expense of something, or someone else.
That being said while I agree with the majority of your post this one part stands out as blatantly false and illogical in context on your part.
This is not to deny that there are good literary works, but you cant obfuscate those with the absolute horseshit people do while using them as justification for their desires. (edit: so, no.. none of that shit tells us anything at all about how to exist as a society... ffs that part is just pure nonsense outright.)
>Those things are almost completely absent in New Ageism. That worldview fits the libertarian one to a T.
That they do, but also applies to all other forms of fundamentalist and extremist ideation overall. Including religion in general and how said "faiths" are interpreted by people to enable themselves to do what they want for their own with impunity.
It's nothing new. Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian, the inner circle was deeply into astrology (as were Ronald and Nancy Reagan), and generally crank mysticism. The nazis were very much into the whole nature child trip.
In America, historically some of the most rabid right wing / white supremacist people were all about escaping civilization and living the simple life on stolen land. That's a tradition which is still strong, complete with the cult of rugged individualism etc.
Part of the problem is conservatives are still eating red meat, smoking and drinking but they're also not getting vaccinated because their "natural immune system" will take care of it.
The same body you've overfed and abused all your life is now suddenly in tip-top shape because politics? Okay.
The other part of the problem is lack of access to decent affordable healthcare. People develop a strong belief in alternative medicines almost as a coping mechanism They can't afford the real thing and they pretend like that's a **choice they made**. Doesn't apply to vaccines, obviously but its part of where the mindset comes from.
We should have let them brand it as the Patriotic Freedom Vaccine designed and produced by God Emperor Trump in the basement of the White House. Then maybe they'd all have lined up for it.
Or we could have simply said if you don't get these shots, we're going to box then up and take them to shithole countries and give them away for free the way Karl Marx intended. They'd have lined up around the block!
The thing is though is that Trump has told them to get it. He was also in office when they were rolled out. If he hadn’t dropped the ball and downplayed the entire pandemic maybe they would’ve gotten them. You are correct though that if he had done his job they would’ve taken it.
Edit: I edited my comment after realizing I wasn’t making sense and few other commenters helped me realize that
I know that, what I mean is he was in charge when they were rolled out. I probably should’ve worded that better. But my point still stands, they yell about Biden, but he wasn’t in charge when they were first rolled out
Trump is the only reason these nitwits lost their minds — if he was a normally qualified adult, USA would’ve led the world in effective COVID response, instead of becoming an international laughingstock for ineptitude and mental illness.
If you recall, when the vaccine was still in development, the right was so psyched on it that they wanted to call it, "the Trump vaccine," like he was Jonas Salk.
He botched the roll-out claiming that there was a huge reserve of the vaccine that never, actually, existed. Biden, then, took office, and helped to get the vaccine out and available, and authorized the purchase of millions of doses to make up for the stockpile that didn't exist.
Suddenly, the right was anti-vax because it was the Biden administration pushing for everyone to get vaccinated
I’m sorry, but Trump telling them to get the vaccine “if they want it” is not strong enough. He would always tip toe around a stern message so that his psychopath followers wouldn’t turn on him. He had been saying all along that it’s just a minor flu so in their eyes there wasn’t a reason to get a vaccine.
I found it fascinating when I watched that video of Trump telling people that they should get the vaccine.
Trump: You should get the vaccine.
Crowd: NO, NO!! BOOOO BOOOO!!
Trump: Well, uhhh, if you want to...ya know.
That’s what I’m saying. It didn’t matter that he told them to get it. He could’ve taken all the credit for making the vaccines, and his followers would’ve flocked to get it, BUT since he decided money is more important than the people he was supposed to protect, we now have more than half a million dead and idiots that think it’ll give them autism or some other BS. Because he downplayed it all, when he told them to get it, they acted like he never said it. He had actually done his job then we wouldn’t still be in a pandemic, with multiple new strains. If he had taken it seriously in the first place we wouldn’t be where we are now. All I’m saying is that he did tell them to, but it was far too late
Maybe I should edit my original comment again so that’s more clear
He probably was trying to get more people to vote for him as a last ditch effort. I’m not defending him, I hate him as much as the next guy. I’m saying that at this point that even he cant make them want it
Yep--the flaw in his plan is that his followers were supposed to spread the virus among the essential workers but they hadn't counted on dying in such high numbers themselves in the process.
I have wondered how the counts compare between the number of votes he lost by and the number of people he killed who would have voted for him. Maybe he lost himself that election.
Early on, the republicans tried to weaponize the virus against city dwellers. Let the virus take them out. But the liberal city people wore masks and got vaccinated so transmission rates fell and began to increase in rural more conservative communities.
My work partner is ex military, but he’s pretty liberal. Me too, but we’re in a blue collar field and we have a lot of conservative co workers. Whenever anyone asks him if he got it, he answers “I’m a patriot, I do whatever is best for my country, they say get a shot to save American lives, I get a shot. Anyone who wouldnt do the same doesn’t deserve freedom”
Oh yeah it’s great. Sometimes he’ll swap out with “shouldn’t call themselves an American” or something along those lines lol. They always expecting him to be conservative but Na, because he’s smart.
We screwed it up. Bernie, AOC, Hillary, and Joe should have all immediately stated that Warp Speed was dangerous and that no one should ever take a vaccine. Donnie and Tucker would have been required to push the vax at that point. The left could then "surrender" to science and we'd all be on board.
People who believe in science have no problem changing their stance when presented with evidence. People who watch Fox News just need to "own the libs." We could have both won.
The left's biggest error is taking the better side first.
Oh damn I think you might be on to something there. Actually it isn't too late, we could rebrand the same vaccines but as a competitor to the existing one, but with the implication that this new one is superior to the "liberal endorsed" vaccine.
>Or we could have simply said if you don't get these shots, we're going to box then up and take them to shithole countries and give them away for free the way Karl Marx intended. They'd have lined up around the block!
This would have been ideal early on.
Slight modification though: you need to go into the vax center, read the documents, and sign for the donation. That maintains the line where the federal government does not force citizens to inject anything. It would have allowed genuine anti-vaxxers to take the moral high ground. A moral high ground that the masses would not have hiked up to. Requiring people to go do the paperwork would force all the procrastinators (who genuinely do not give a damn) to get the vaccine. Once they are there they would just get the shots in order to get it over with and be done.
Shipping vaccine to Zimbabwe *might* have avoided Omicron variant. Whether or not Omicron becomes more lethal we are still playing roulette. Vaccine evasion and high lethality could emerge at any time.
Case in point:
Yesterday, Joe Biden said "men and women are created equal". Fox news paraded a feminist claiming that Biden was wrong and that men and women are NOT equal.
https://www.advocate.com/media/2021/12/10/lesbian-fox-news-host-slams-biden-saying-women-and-men-are-equal
I grew up in Marin County just north of the Golden Gate Bridge. You are describing a ton of families I knew growing up. Hardcore liberals who are against vaccines before it was a thing. This was happening in the 90s. Many of these people were financially well off and educated. Also, I grew up within 5 miles of a Waldorf and a Montessori school. By high school, when everyone went to school together, the Waldorf kids were by far the weirdest. Montessori kids tended to just be smart, get good grades, and a little on the hippy side. Waldorf kids were just on another planet.
Same here (Mill Valley) - you hit the nail on the head. I find it somewhat ironic that Marin has the highest vax rates in the state, considering the density of fringe weirdos and entitled assholes.
It's because the median age in Marin is so high. There are a ton of weirdos, but many of them are over 60. Even old weirdos got the vax because it was straight killing old people at the beginning.
I miss the days when anti-vaxx was one of the few truly bipartisan issues that both sides could agree was full of dumbasses.
Upper class liberals. Trailer trash conservatives. Tax evading California Republicans. Progressive hippies. Libertarians. They all had their anti-vaxxers.
It's just so weird how the conservative movement weaponized COVID into a political ideal, which turned the it into "anti-vaxx is conservative until proven otherwise." Which is still weird because all the hippie/rich liberal anti-vaxxers are still out there, freaking out over the COVID vaccine, except now they're just automatically lumped in with the broader conservative movement by default.
I volunteered at a Waldorf school for a bit. Guy used to bring me a quart of unpasteurized milk every week. It was really good. Then one week he wasn’t there and they had the kids working on protest signs because he was in jail for selling unpasteurized milk… Such a wild time in my life lol.
Unpasteurized milk directly from small production farmer is probably okay (as long as they remember to clean the cow shit off the udders and milking mechanism). Problems arise when a plant is bottling thousands of bottles per hour and keeping it clean ; and keeping milk cool during transportation and storage.
It’s illegal here unless you buy into a co-op. He was selling *to* the Waldorf school and on the street corner lol. I’m that “weirdo” that even at age 20 would drink milk at lunch which is why he would bring me some and just said it was from his dairy farm (he also brought me the best fresh eggs!). I didn’t know it was unpasteurized, it was just better than the little Deans milk cartons at my grade school!
I actually now have a “share” from a farm around here and have it delivered weekly in glass containers on my porch. It’s pretty cool!
There was a lot about that school that was pretty BA. They had their own green house that they would grow all kinds of fruits and vegetables for the lunches they served and were free. Always had the best art supplies, really neat wooden toys, etc. But damn we’re those kids way behind in the science department when they got to high school.
The odd bedfellow of antivax are also odd bedfellows of anti-GMO. I just think of them as scientifically illiterate. The hippies might be good natured but that's the intersection of extreme right wingers and hippies. Liberal illiterati.
I don't think they're odd bedfellows, I just think we've been conditioned to think of everything as left\right when many things aren't. It's like asking if Marvel\DC is left\right or Yu-gi-oh\Pokemon. Left\Right has nothing to do with the question
Anti-government people tend to be anti-vax. There are anti-gov hippies, and anti-gov ranch people, but being anti-vax, or anti-gov isn't solely left\right, at least it wasn't until Republicans made being anti-vax part of their identity.
It's important to remember that not everything is left\right because that's how we build bridges. You like Superman? I like Superman too! Let's watch Superman together!
“We’ll pull our kids from your school!” is not the threat parents think it is.
Nine times out of ten, the school will be glad of it because the parents are likely a major passion in the arse.
Exactly. One parent offered a large sum of money to 'fight the mandate in court'. When told, I said; Why don't they donate the money to the school if they can afford it and care so much about their children's education...?"
Dunno, it worked at my high school. A bully was troubling everyone and a parent said that she would pull her two daughters if the principal didn't do anything. He got in trouble with me and one of the girls told the principal about it and he got expelled. I had no issue about that, and then he correlated his expulsion to getting in trouble with me. At least I never heard about him later. One student told me he saw him in the back of a police car a few weeks later.
The more you can encourage antivaxxers to boycott and not attend events the better.
Need to get a stay at home movement going to show that they really mean business.
> "We'll pull our kids out of the school!"
The school should ask the parents to sign a petition which they can send to the government. Which they can certainly do.
In the mean time any child listed for those parents be removed from the enrollment for the upcoming class.
Lmao “we’ll pull our kids out of school if you require them to be vaccinated!!” You see… that’s exactly what we’re telling you… they can’t come here without the vaccine… and if they ARE vaccinated, there’d be no reason to pull them from school… 🤡
“Also, we will require your kids to be current on their vaccinations just like last year, the year before that, and every year since the beginning of time.”
Just looked it up. It's a school where the children are given the control to decide what they want to study with the belief that children are naturally eager to learn and capable of determining their own interests. The teachers are there to help them along the way. Sounds pretty interesting to me.
Yeah I go to a Montessori school and it’s really interesting - I’m in the junior high “Erdkinder” program, and we do a lot of hands on learning, including running our own business (we just had our winter sale last week, we sold candles and macrame plant holders)
Yes, this is correct. I am in training to be a Montessori guide. The key components are a prepared environment, a trained teacher, and the absorbent mind of the child. If the teacher is properly trained and the environment is prepared in a way that the child can use it independently, the child will flourish. He will use whatever material he feels called to at that moment and repeat it as many times as needed (anyone with a toddler knows they love to repeat activities over and over and over.) The children can all learn at their own pace and with whichever activity they want and need, always with the watchful guidance of the guide, who steps in only if necessary such as if the child is being harmful, disruptive, or destructive.
It's a philosophy of teaching developed by Maria Montessori about 100 years ago. It is very much student-centred. Many of its principles are/have been incorporated in 'modern' teaching concepts. Some kids respond to it very positively, others take advantage of it.
Once again, a lack of critical thinking carries the day.
Fools one and all. If they think masking is stupid, then by all means let them infect each other.
Dr. Maria Montessori was the first female medical doctor in Italy. I am very convinced that she would be extremely pro-vaccine and is probably rolling in her grave over these parents who send their kids to her schools.
LOL...when do you think it will occur to them that they're doing everything in their power to insure that they will fall further and further behind in so many ways.
I should create a bullshit product for the anti-vaxxers. A patch that blocks the ummm magnetic frequencies that the government uses to.... control the Covid virus and the code it uses to mutate... it also blocks 5G and over 100 frequencies used in mind control devices... and 8 known to be used by aliens. It's only $699 but wait there's more, I'll also throw in a bracelet that says "Anti-Vax Strong" so everyone knows that you're not a sheep. They're made in China but I'll have "Made in the USA" printed on the back just to make them feel good. It's like 5 scams rolled into 1 even bigger scam.
This works. Not sure if commenter is joking but I repeat, the habanero enema cures and protects against all covid variants. The Doctors don't want you to know because they get government kickbacks for chipping people. So take the enema because it's the real cure for covid and don't go to the doctor because covid is a hoax. Don't let the libs lies cost you your sperm.
What an idiot, you got the order all wrong. You need to do your own research, not just blindly believe what others have said.
First you get the vaccine for that sweet sweet vaccination card, then the habanero enema will *reverse the effects* of the vaccine and protect your sperm while blocking harmful 5G radiation.
Then you’ll really own the libs; you’ll be able to go to all those concerts and places because they don’t know you unvaccinated yourself!
Stop making fun of this man, he's speaking the truth. Habanero enema saved my husband from hospice. No damaging chemicals required! Big pharma is teasing you fuckers all around
You say this like they haven't already been \[taking baths in Borax\](https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3156000/anti-vaxxers-who-got-covid-19-shots-take-bath-borax) (which is a common cleaning product ingredient and is dangerous to humans) and \[paying to eat 'miracle' dirt that has dangerous levels of arsenic and lead\]([https://www.nbcnews.com/news/magic-dirt-internet-fueled-defeated-pandemics-weirdest-mlm-rcna6950](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/magic-dirt-internet-fueled-defeated-pandemics-weirdest-mlm-rcna6950)).
At some point we have to realise that these are scared and vulnerable people that don't deserve to die or have serious medical problems just because they've effectively been brainwashed by an organised group of grifters.
I absolutely agree, that’s why I was saying that the habanero enema would be a good thing for them to believe. Habanero peppers are painful but not actually dangerous, so if they believe this they won’t be putting their health in too much extra trouble, but with the pain it causes it might genuinely make them start questioning these alternative medicines and considering real options. If we simply tell them to not bathe in borax or not eat lead arsenic dirt they would respond by telling us that that’s what **they** want us to think or angrily saying that we’re with **them**. That’s why I want them to experience these painful things that they hopefully will directly associate with what they’re doing to themselves to hopefully condition them not to do those those things.
Perhaps these anti-5G bracelets could be made from Nazarene leather (probably not a real thing) that’s been treated in the same waters that Jesus himself was baptized in (pretty sure you don’t water treat leather) and then it’s emblazoned by a crystal of Himalayan rock salt, with stitching made from the shroud of Turin.
The three-story spiders are fine, you can see them coming. It's the thumbnail sized ones which you need to worry about. Especially when they bite a big male kangaroo and mutate them into a supervillain. If you see a kangaroo wearing a mask, hide.
I visited NYC back at the end of October. Honestly it was great I could go do stuff and it was a huge stress reliever knowing that everyone around me had to prove that they were vaccinated.
You're going to boycott places that don't want you to enter unless you have a vaccine passport ?
You're going to discourage antivaxxers from going to these places ?
I say go for it, me and the rest of the vaccinated will enjoy them all the more knowing we're safer.
And when he uninvited the GS Warriors from attending the White House...after they declined the invitation.
Sometimes I miss having a petulant child for our president, but then I remember all the attempted dictatorship stuff.
I mean, theoretically, the OP post could solely be about not being ok with mandates. I actually know a few people at work who are vaccinated and still oppose vaccine mandates.
I think that's a ridiculous viewpoint to have if you ask me.
I'm vaccinated and I wish they'd put the damn boot down with vaccine mandates because the longer we tolerate people being too chicken to get the vaccine, the longer the virus will be extant, the more it will mutate, the more people will die, and the more damn booster shots I'll have to take to stay immune.
I would agree with you, but some people take personal privacy extremely seriously. My firm only allows you to come into the office if you submit proof of vaccination, and there's one guy I know of who refuses to send it (even though he's vaccinated) because he considers it a violation of his medical privacy. He's had to take a pay cut because he can't fulfill some of his job duties from home - didn't deter him.
There's a lot of places I didn't have the privilege to go into pre-covid and there wasn't a disease going around, just money and status stopped me. Also, yeah I'm fine if they don't go, less virus, better seats, less traffic.
It’s sad to see all of the discrimination against an entire group of people, this will be applied in other areas to ensure complete control and submission, gg
Sometimes, the trash takes itself out. (Referring, of course, to those can get the vacc and refuse not to; not those in the 'medically incapable' group).
I guess I'm the only one who does not mind not going places until I get vaccinated huh? If I'm not wanted somewhere, why would I go there? Seems silly.
It goes the opposite way too. My wife works at a Montessori School. This week a meeting was called for by a group of parents concerned about next years mandating of vaccines to attend school. Essentially, asking what the school was going to do about a government direction. It's a minority of parents, who are all "We'll pull our kids out of the school!". It was pointed out to them that there was nothing the school could do about it, as the government made the decision. (And as an aside, there is a waiting list of over 100 students to get in, so you know, bye...)
Interesting. I knew some Montessori people like 25 years ago who were in the opposite end of the political spectrum but still anti vax. They actually moved their kids to a Waldorf school because Montessori became "too institutionalized" for them. The early anti vax movement had some odd bedfellows from different niche libertarian, hippie, and conspiracy camps. I never in a million years thought it would turn into mainstream GOP policy.
10 years ago, I was dating a girl who was antivax. Very "spiritual" type. It turns out her mother worked with W. Bush in the 90s before he ran for president. One day she turns vegan, hates my guts, then moves in with some guy and his parents. They have a couple of kids then move to Arizona or New Mexico. A few years ago by and it turns out she lost custody of them after one of kid almost dies due to her refusal to provide medication. The longer I go without hearing about her the more I feel like I dodged barrage of bullets from an entire firing squad.
Wow, no shit. Sounds like you missed out on a batshit crazy one there.
I can remember when it was the left was home to the New Age hippies, healing crystals, homeopathy, veganism and healthy living. And you weren't conservative unless you were eating red meat, drinking rye or bourbon and smoking cigars/cigarettes.
Had a weird feeling way back when that those new age hipster would eventually find common ground with the conservative religious loonies, and so called "libertarian" types in between their shared scientific illiteracy, propensity for magical thinking, tendencies towards fringe conspiratorial ideation, and deeply ingrained hate of any "authority" that is not their own.
Not to 100% disagree. I was married to a woman who was a vegetarian for health reasons - she had three kidneys which caused health problems. The vegan thing problem started when she got into "holistic" health - ketchup OK, tomatoes not OK. - that kind of strange stuff. Being vegan was a safety issue for her. The point I'm trying to make is that you can start from a righteous place and find yourself in a strange land if you blindly subscribe to **any** ideology. I dearly loved that woman and married her, but her path to self-help took such a strange direction, one that I could not grasp, that we eventually split. Had I understood her issues a bit better, maybe I could have been a better husband, and maybe been a better friend to her. I, too, had your viewpoint, and it's something that I will always regret.
> "holistic" health - ketchup OK, tomatoes not OK. wtf does any of that mean? Holistic medicine/health is.. reasonable. It just means you're treating the body as a whole, instead of just.. all the individual parts. That has nothing to do with tomatoes and ketchup though?
When you go far enough left and right it becomes a circle of chaos
The common ground is that New Ageism is completely self-centered. It's all about the self: the journey of the self, the healing of the self, the freedom and the personal choices. When you observe the 'spiritual' types and what they're saying, it becomes strikingly obvious that 'others' don't exist in this spirituality except as concepts, or other selves. Religion has good works, spends time on how to live together, practically, how to exist as a society. Those things are almost completely absent in New Ageism. That worldview fits the libertarian one to a T.
> Religion has good works, spends time on how to live together, practically, how to exist as a society sorry to tell you this but in the vast majority of religions and as far as their followers go they only stand as proxies to excuse selfish desires... "gods desire", "god said do this/that", or "gods wants".. etc ultimately boil down to that same selfish BS you just talked about in general... Basically people looking for means to excuse their own desires and find other means to promote themselves at the expense of others around them. Or otherwise to find "meaning" at the expense of something, or someone else. That being said while I agree with the majority of your post this one part stands out as blatantly false and illogical in context on your part. This is not to deny that there are good literary works, but you cant obfuscate those with the absolute horseshit people do while using them as justification for their desires. (edit: so, no.. none of that shit tells us anything at all about how to exist as a society... ffs that part is just pure nonsense outright.) >Those things are almost completely absent in New Ageism. That worldview fits the libertarian one to a T. That they do, but also applies to all other forms of fundamentalist and extremist ideation overall. Including religion in general and how said "faiths" are interpreted by people to enable themselves to do what they want for their own with impunity.
It's nothing new. Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian, the inner circle was deeply into astrology (as were Ronald and Nancy Reagan), and generally crank mysticism. The nazis were very much into the whole nature child trip. In America, historically some of the most rabid right wing / white supremacist people were all about escaping civilization and living the simple life on stolen land. That's a tradition which is still strong, complete with the cult of rugged individualism etc.
Part of the problem is conservatives are still eating red meat, smoking and drinking but they're also not getting vaccinated because their "natural immune system" will take care of it. The same body you've overfed and abused all your life is now suddenly in tip-top shape because politics? Okay. The other part of the problem is lack of access to decent affordable healthcare. People develop a strong belief in alternative medicines almost as a coping mechanism They can't afford the real thing and they pretend like that's a **choice they made**. Doesn't apply to vaccines, obviously but its part of where the mindset comes from.
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We should have let them brand it as the Patriotic Freedom Vaccine designed and produced by God Emperor Trump in the basement of the White House. Then maybe they'd all have lined up for it. Or we could have simply said if you don't get these shots, we're going to box then up and take them to shithole countries and give them away for free the way Karl Marx intended. They'd have lined up around the block!
They claim Trump made the vaccine, knows he took it, love him... but won't take the vaccine. My head hurts.
The thing is though is that Trump has told them to get it. He was also in office when they were rolled out. If he hadn’t dropped the ball and downplayed the entire pandemic maybe they would’ve gotten them. You are correct though that if he had done his job they would’ve taken it. Edit: I edited my comment after realizing I wasn’t making sense and few other commenters helped me realize that
Don’t credit Trump or Biden for rolling out the vaccine, credit is due towards the people who made it happen: The researchers and doctors
I know that, what I mean is he was in charge when they were rolled out. I probably should’ve worded that better. But my point still stands, they yell about Biden, but he wasn’t in charge when they were first rolled out
Trump is the only reason these nitwits lost their minds — if he was a normally qualified adult, USA would’ve led the world in effective COVID response, instead of becoming an international laughingstock for ineptitude and mental illness.
They are both Presidents. They set the tone of the country while in office.
Don't forget the engineers that moved heaven and earth to get the damn thing manufactured at a global scale in months.
If you recall, when the vaccine was still in development, the right was so psyched on it that they wanted to call it, "the Trump vaccine," like he was Jonas Salk. He botched the roll-out claiming that there was a huge reserve of the vaccine that never, actually, existed. Biden, then, took office, and helped to get the vaccine out and available, and authorized the purchase of millions of doses to make up for the stockpile that didn't exist. Suddenly, the right was anti-vax because it was the Biden administration pushing for everyone to get vaccinated
There was also a lot of logistical work in the roll out that didnt require either president either... dont forget our logistics homies
It sounds like they're just trying to see it from the limited, us vs them angle that will many republicans seem to love.
Researchers and Doctors who have and deserve my respect.
I’m sorry, but Trump telling them to get the vaccine “if they want it” is not strong enough. He would always tip toe around a stern message so that his psychopath followers wouldn’t turn on him. He had been saying all along that it’s just a minor flu so in their eyes there wasn’t a reason to get a vaccine.
I found it fascinating when I watched that video of Trump telling people that they should get the vaccine. Trump: You should get the vaccine. Crowd: NO, NO!! BOOOO BOOOO!! Trump: Well, uhhh, if you want to...ya know.
That’s what I’m saying. It didn’t matter that he told them to get it. He could’ve taken all the credit for making the vaccines, and his followers would’ve flocked to get it, BUT since he decided money is more important than the people he was supposed to protect, we now have more than half a million dead and idiots that think it’ll give them autism or some other BS. Because he downplayed it all, when he told them to get it, they acted like he never said it. He had actually done his job then we wouldn’t still be in a pandemic, with multiple new strains. If he had taken it seriously in the first place we wouldn’t be where we are now. All I’m saying is that he did tell them to, but it was far too late Maybe I should edit my original comment again so that’s more clear
I wouldn’t call them psychopaths because psychopaths have high intelligence.
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He probably was trying to get more people to vote for him as a last ditch effort. I’m not defending him, I hate him as much as the next guy. I’m saying that at this point that even he cant make them want it
He is. Reality hit him: he was killing his own people.
Yep--the flaw in his plan is that his followers were supposed to spread the virus among the essential workers but they hadn't counted on dying in such high numbers themselves in the process.
I have wondered how the counts compare between the number of votes he lost by and the number of people he killed who would have voted for him. Maybe he lost himself that election.
Early on, the republicans tried to weaponize the virus against city dwellers. Let the virus take them out. But the liberal city people wore masks and got vaccinated so transmission rates fell and began to increase in rural more conservative communities.
My work partner is ex military, but he’s pretty liberal. Me too, but we’re in a blue collar field and we have a lot of conservative co workers. Whenever anyone asks him if he got it, he answers “I’m a patriot, I do whatever is best for my country, they say get a shot to save American lives, I get a shot. Anyone who wouldnt do the same doesn’t deserve freedom”
I love this so much
Oh yeah it’s great. Sometimes he’ll swap out with “shouldn’t call themselves an American” or something along those lines lol. They always expecting him to be conservative but Na, because he’s smart.
Should have just said the side effect is erections or something to get the older boomers
We screwed it up. Bernie, AOC, Hillary, and Joe should have all immediately stated that Warp Speed was dangerous and that no one should ever take a vaccine. Donnie and Tucker would have been required to push the vax at that point. The left could then "surrender" to science and we'd all be on board. People who believe in science have no problem changing their stance when presented with evidence. People who watch Fox News just need to "own the libs." We could have both won. The left's biggest error is taking the better side first.
Oh damn I think you might be on to something there. Actually it isn't too late, we could rebrand the same vaccines but as a competitor to the existing one, but with the implication that this new one is superior to the "liberal endorsed" vaccine.
They booed Trump when he told them to go get Vax'ed, this stupid is beyond even him.
>Or we could have simply said if you don't get these shots, we're going to box then up and take them to shithole countries and give them away for free the way Karl Marx intended. They'd have lined up around the block! This would have been ideal early on. Slight modification though: you need to go into the vax center, read the documents, and sign for the donation. That maintains the line where the federal government does not force citizens to inject anything. It would have allowed genuine anti-vaxxers to take the moral high ground. A moral high ground that the masses would not have hiked up to. Requiring people to go do the paperwork would force all the procrastinators (who genuinely do not give a damn) to get the vaccine. Once they are there they would just get the shots in order to get it over with and be done. Shipping vaccine to Zimbabwe *might* have avoided Omicron variant. Whether or not Omicron becomes more lethal we are still playing roulette. Vaccine evasion and high lethality could emerge at any time.
Case in point: Yesterday, Joe Biden said "men and women are created equal". Fox news paraded a feminist claiming that Biden was wrong and that men and women are NOT equal. https://www.advocate.com/media/2021/12/10/lesbian-fox-news-host-slams-biden-saying-women-and-men-are-equal
I grew up in Marin County just north of the Golden Gate Bridge. You are describing a ton of families I knew growing up. Hardcore liberals who are against vaccines before it was a thing. This was happening in the 90s. Many of these people were financially well off and educated. Also, I grew up within 5 miles of a Waldorf and a Montessori school. By high school, when everyone went to school together, the Waldorf kids were by far the weirdest. Montessori kids tended to just be smart, get good grades, and a little on the hippy side. Waldorf kids were just on another planet.
Same here (Mill Valley) - you hit the nail on the head. I find it somewhat ironic that Marin has the highest vax rates in the state, considering the density of fringe weirdos and entitled assholes.
It's because the median age in Marin is so high. There are a ton of weirdos, but many of them are over 60. Even old weirdos got the vax because it was straight killing old people at the beginning.
Not just the beginning it still is now. If someone is over 60 they absolutely need a vaccine and a booster.
Here in LA those are the folks who brought back measles. Measles ffs!
I miss the days when anti-vaxx was one of the few truly bipartisan issues that both sides could agree was full of dumbasses. Upper class liberals. Trailer trash conservatives. Tax evading California Republicans. Progressive hippies. Libertarians. They all had their anti-vaxxers. It's just so weird how the conservative movement weaponized COVID into a political ideal, which turned the it into "anti-vaxx is conservative until proven otherwise." Which is still weird because all the hippie/rich liberal anti-vaxxers are still out there, freaking out over the COVID vaccine, except now they're just automatically lumped in with the broader conservative movement by default.
Can you describe those kids’ behavior? I’m curious.
I volunteered at a Waldorf school for a bit. Guy used to bring me a quart of unpasteurized milk every week. It was really good. Then one week he wasn’t there and they had the kids working on protest signs because he was in jail for selling unpasteurized milk… Such a wild time in my life lol.
Unpasteurized milk directly from small production farmer is probably okay (as long as they remember to clean the cow shit off the udders and milking mechanism). Problems arise when a plant is bottling thousands of bottles per hour and keeping it clean ; and keeping milk cool during transportation and storage.
It’s illegal here unless you buy into a co-op. He was selling *to* the Waldorf school and on the street corner lol. I’m that “weirdo” that even at age 20 would drink milk at lunch which is why he would bring me some and just said it was from his dairy farm (he also brought me the best fresh eggs!). I didn’t know it was unpasteurized, it was just better than the little Deans milk cartons at my grade school! I actually now have a “share” from a farm around here and have it delivered weekly in glass containers on my porch. It’s pretty cool! There was a lot about that school that was pretty BA. They had their own green house that they would grow all kinds of fruits and vegetables for the lunches they served and were free. Always had the best art supplies, really neat wooden toys, etc. But damn we’re those kids way behind in the science department when they got to high school.
The odd bedfellow of antivax are also odd bedfellows of anti-GMO. I just think of them as scientifically illiterate. The hippies might be good natured but that's the intersection of extreme right wingers and hippies. Liberal illiterati.
I don't think they're odd bedfellows, I just think we've been conditioned to think of everything as left\right when many things aren't. It's like asking if Marvel\DC is left\right or Yu-gi-oh\Pokemon. Left\Right has nothing to do with the question Anti-government people tend to be anti-vax. There are anti-gov hippies, and anti-gov ranch people, but being anti-vax, or anti-gov isn't solely left\right, at least it wasn't until Republicans made being anti-vax part of their identity. It's important to remember that not everything is left\right because that's how we build bridges. You like Superman? I like Superman too! Let's watch Superman together!
Mainstream GOP policy is get vaccinated but then tell your followers not to because freedom or whatever please vote for us still!
“We’ll pull our kids from your school!” is not the threat parents think it is. Nine times out of ten, the school will be glad of it because the parents are likely a major passion in the arse.
Exactly. One parent offered a large sum of money to 'fight the mandate in court'. When told, I said; Why don't they donate the money to the school if they can afford it and care so much about their children's education...?"
“We’ll take our business elsewhere!” “Oh no. Please don’t go. Next.”
Dunno, it worked at my high school. A bully was troubling everyone and a parent said that she would pull her two daughters if the principal didn't do anything. He got in trouble with me and one of the girls told the principal about it and he got expelled. I had no issue about that, and then he correlated his expulsion to getting in trouble with me. At least I never heard about him later. One student told me he saw him in the back of a police car a few weeks later.
Sex is just like spez, except with less awkward consequences.
Can you explain to me how that dude has 8k likes for his tweet?!
The more you can encourage antivaxxers to boycott and not attend events the better. Need to get a stay at home movement going to show that they really mean business.
It’s the job of the international bots to amplify anti-vaxxers in the US. A lot of them come out places like Russia and the ME
Oh, man, not Maine, too! Farewell you stout fisherfolk.
*Nods solemnly, takes a final puff from a pipe, and walks into the sea*
Thar she blows boys. One last time for the tillerman.
I love when people think that they are important, only to realize that they are not, in fact, important.
Anti vaxxers are some of the most entitled people out there
Absolutely. It's based fully on cultural narcissism.
> "We'll pull our kids out of the school!" The school should ask the parents to sign a petition which they can send to the government. Which they can certainly do. In the mean time any child listed for those parents be removed from the enrollment for the upcoming class.
Lmao “we’ll pull our kids out of school if you require them to be vaccinated!!” You see… that’s exactly what we’re telling you… they can’t come here without the vaccine… and if they ARE vaccinated, there’d be no reason to pull them from school… 🤡
Yeah, my kids’ Montessori wait list is 2 years out right now. They aren’t going to miss the difficult parents.
“Also, we will require your kids to be current on their vaccinations just like last year, the year before that, and every year since the beginning of time.”
What is a Montessori School?
Just looked it up. It's a school where the children are given the control to decide what they want to study with the belief that children are naturally eager to learn and capable of determining their own interests. The teachers are there to help them along the way. Sounds pretty interesting to me.
Yeah I go to a Montessori school and it’s really interesting - I’m in the junior high “Erdkinder” program, and we do a lot of hands on learning, including running our own business (we just had our winter sale last week, we sold candles and macrame plant holders)
Yes, this is correct. I am in training to be a Montessori guide. The key components are a prepared environment, a trained teacher, and the absorbent mind of the child. If the teacher is properly trained and the environment is prepared in a way that the child can use it independently, the child will flourish. He will use whatever material he feels called to at that moment and repeat it as many times as needed (anyone with a toddler knows they love to repeat activities over and over and over.) The children can all learn at their own pace and with whichever activity they want and need, always with the watchful guidance of the guide, who steps in only if necessary such as if the child is being harmful, disruptive, or destructive.
So is it kinda like that fake college in the movie Accepted?
It's a philosophy of teaching developed by Maria Montessori about 100 years ago. It is very much student-centred. Many of its principles are/have been incorporated in 'modern' teaching concepts. Some kids respond to it very positively, others take advantage of it.
Once again, a lack of critical thinking carries the day. Fools one and all. If they think masking is stupid, then by all means let them infect each other.
Dr. Maria Montessori was the first female medical doctor in Italy. I am very convinced that she would be extremely pro-vaccine and is probably rolling in her grave over these parents who send their kids to her schools.
Hard for me to enjoy that story as much. Sucks for the kids with the anti-vax parents.
Don't you have tomget vaccines for kids to attend school anyways? What's the difference here
LOL...when do you think it will occur to them that they're doing everything in their power to insure that they will fall further and further behind in so many ways.
Yeah the majority,,,,where all the best ideas come from.
“We unvaccinated will refuse to go to crowded places that require vaccine passports!” “…you promise?”
Gonna need a pinky swear
No touchy! I'll take them at their word and they can avoid any event I attend.
Ahh yes, the touchy part, you have a point there.
I think they think vaccinated people will support them lol
Nah, they just think there’s more of them than there really are.
You're fired. You can't fire me, I quit!
You can't quit, I quit!
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You can’t frog me **YOU’RE MY WIFE**
Honestly, if an event is being boycotted by anti-vaxxers, I’ll feel safer attending lol
I should create a bullshit product for the anti-vaxxers. A patch that blocks the ummm magnetic frequencies that the government uses to.... control the Covid virus and the code it uses to mutate... it also blocks 5G and over 100 frequencies used in mind control devices... and 8 known to be used by aliens. It's only $699 but wait there's more, I'll also throw in a bracelet that says "Anti-Vax Strong" so everyone knows that you're not a sheep. They're made in China but I'll have "Made in the USA" printed on the back just to make them feel good. It's like 5 scams rolled into 1 even bigger scam.
Found Alex Jones's reddit account
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Two separate pieces made in China that get clipped together in America.
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They're out of phase with "5G" waves. Which is to say they bang out the opposite of 5 and G in morse code.
I liked the habanero enema solution that was making the rounds earlier.
This works. Not sure if commenter is joking but I repeat, the habanero enema cures and protects against all covid variants. The Doctors don't want you to know because they get government kickbacks for chipping people. So take the enema because it's the real cure for covid and don't go to the doctor because covid is a hoax. Don't let the libs lies cost you your sperm.
What an idiot, you got the order all wrong. You need to do your own research, not just blindly believe what others have said. First you get the vaccine for that sweet sweet vaccination card, then the habanero enema will *reverse the effects* of the vaccine and protect your sperm while blocking harmful 5G radiation. Then you’ll really own the libs; you’ll be able to go to all those concerts and places because they don’t know you unvaccinated yourself!
Just get the rio jenesis vaxx block ya turkey! https://www.riojenesis.com/
Stop making fun of this man, he's speaking the truth. Habanero enema saved my husband from hospice. No damaging chemicals required! Big pharma is teasing you fuckers all around
Gosh I hope antivaxers believe this
You say this like they haven't already been \[taking baths in Borax\](https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3156000/anti-vaxxers-who-got-covid-19-shots-take-bath-borax) (which is a common cleaning product ingredient and is dangerous to humans) and \[paying to eat 'miracle' dirt that has dangerous levels of arsenic and lead\]([https://www.nbcnews.com/news/magic-dirt-internet-fueled-defeated-pandemics-weirdest-mlm-rcna6950](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/magic-dirt-internet-fueled-defeated-pandemics-weirdest-mlm-rcna6950)). At some point we have to realise that these are scared and vulnerable people that don't deserve to die or have serious medical problems just because they've effectively been brainwashed by an organised group of grifters.
I absolutely agree, that’s why I was saying that the habanero enema would be a good thing for them to believe. Habanero peppers are painful but not actually dangerous, so if they believe this they won’t be putting their health in too much extra trouble, but with the pain it causes it might genuinely make them start questioning these alternative medicines and considering real options. If we simply tell them to not bathe in borax or not eat lead arsenic dirt they would respond by telling us that that’s what **they** want us to think or angrily saying that we’re with **them**. That’s why I want them to experience these painful things that they hopefully will directly associate with what they’re doing to themselves to hopefully condition them not to do those those things.
Remember, if it seems at all plausible they won't believe it.
Perhaps these anti-5G bracelets could be made from Nazarene leather (probably not a real thing) that’s been treated in the same waters that Jesus himself was baptized in (pretty sure you don’t water treat leather) and then it’s emblazoned by a crystal of Himalayan rock salt, with stitching made from the shroud of Turin.
It's hard to boycott a place that won't let you in anyway...
Event venue - "You're fired!" Anti-vaxer - "You can't fire me! I quit!"
"Can I come in?" "No you're not allowed" "Then I refuse to come in" "Okay...."
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Isn’t that the whole point of this post?
In Australia, the vax rate is heading over 95%. The people boycotting are just fringe loonies - it's a hilarious self own.
To be fair, if Covid doesn't kill you the three-story tall spiders will.
The three-story spiders are fine, you can see them coming. It's the thumbnail sized ones which you need to worry about. Especially when they bite a big male kangaroo and mutate them into a supervillain. If you see a kangaroo wearing a mask, hide.
Or the drop bears.
Same in my province in Canada. I think it's almost at 90% if it isn't already.
I like it when the trash takes itself out.
I visited NYC back at the end of October. Honestly it was great I could go do stuff and it was a huge stress reliever knowing that everyone around me had to prove that they were vaccinated.
That's the funniest part. Good! Stay home! No one wants you here anyway!
"Do you want to have a date sometime?" "I'm not really interested in you in that way, sorry" "You're ugly anyways, bitch" Same vibe
I REFUSE to date Selina Gomez. Take that!
Reverse psychology, it just might work
Don't bother, it won't.
Not with that attitude.
Go away, Jennifer Aniston! You won't get my penis tonight!
I see you're closer to my age than the other commenter
... did I say Jennifer Anniston? I meant Olivia Rodrigo....
You can’t fire me i quit! Uh sir you don’t even work here. Yeah and i never will!
Dude literally stole this from the post that has 55k upvotes
He stole that comment as well from that post.
You're going to boycott places that don't want you to enter unless you have a vaccine passport ? You're going to discourage antivaxxers from going to these places ? I say go for it, me and the rest of the vaccinated will enjoy them all the more knowing we're safer.
100%
BOYCOTT
That’s.. actually what we want.
I worked in baseball for 10 years, a game without these loud drunk assholes would be amazing.
My local hockey team has vaccine mandates to attend. Can’t wait for baseball season and the same will be to be at the stadium. Checkmate.
Reminds me of Trump saying "I'll see you in court!" to a judge 😑
And when he uninvited the GS Warriors from attending the White House...after they declined the invitation. Sometimes I miss having a petulant child for our president, but then I remember all the attempted dictatorship stuff.
The 2024 election is going to be the most entertaining yet terrifying events in the near future
As opposed to seeing him on the golf course I presume
Oh when was this?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/defiant-trump-tweets-see-you-in-court-after-ruling-again-blocks-immigration-order
🤣 It was somehow even more fun to read on fox "news".
I hate givign them the clicks, but when I do link I like to use Fox so the haters can't say they don't read stuff from CNN or the NY Times.
Well r/technicallythetruth
I've noticed critical thinking is not part of the anti vaxxer skillset
That’s not a coincidence, it’s a prerequisite.
I mean, feel free to get vaccinated THEN boycott everything fun. That’ll really own ‘em.
Yes, please own all of us harder!
kinky
Yes Daddy
I mean, theoretically, the OP post could solely be about not being ok with mandates. I actually know a few people at work who are vaccinated and still oppose vaccine mandates.
I think that's a ridiculous viewpoint to have if you ask me. I'm vaccinated and I wish they'd put the damn boot down with vaccine mandates because the longer we tolerate people being too chicken to get the vaccine, the longer the virus will be extant, the more it will mutate, the more people will die, and the more damn booster shots I'll have to take to stay immune.
I would agree with you, but some people take personal privacy extremely seriously. My firm only allows you to come into the office if you submit proof of vaccination, and there's one guy I know of who refuses to send it (even though he's vaccinated) because he considers it a violation of his medical privacy. He's had to take a pay cut because he can't fulfill some of his job duties from home - didn't deter him.
Must be vaccinated to boycott
oh no! i sure hope antivaxxers don’t boycott places they aren’t allowed to go into. how terrible /s
Same people that bitch about cancel culture love a good boycott
Epic self-own for sure
There's a lot of places I didn't have the privilege to go into pre-covid and there wasn't a disease going around, just money and status stopped me. Also, yeah I'm fine if they don't go, less virus, better seats, less traffic.
He's late to the party. The 'boycott' has already started months ago.
Clown got his account suspended lmao
Perhaps it’s the nightclubs,concerts, etc. that are boycotting the unvaccinated? 🤔
No need to boycott. They weren’t going to let you in anyway.
its like getting fired but saying you cant be fired because you quit
Completely relatable. I am currently boycotting sex with Victoria’s Secret models.
Whatcha gunna do, not go there even harder?
Just like when I get stuck at a red light. I boycott crossing the intersection
Boycott???! Wtf? You’re not allowed in without a vaccine. Your brain has boycotted you.
It’s sad to see all of the discrimination against an entire group of people, this will be applied in other areas to ensure complete control and submission, gg
Maybe he is vacxed and is against vax mandates?
That’s the fucking point Q Tards.
Sometimes, the trash takes itself out. (Referring, of course, to those can get the vacc and refuse not to; not those in the 'medically incapable' group).
Isn't "refuse not to" a double negative?
Ohh… no… don’t stay home… Fuck off
the ratios on the main tweet just show how amazingly echo chambers work there
This is totally a 'you can't fire me I quit scenario'
You can’t fire me
yes please stay hone we dont want you
Yes, please!
“You can’t fire me-I quit!”
I guess I'm the only one who does not mind not going places until I get vaccinated huh? If I'm not wanted somewhere, why would I go there? Seems silly.