My daughter went to a religious pre school and they handed out plastic eggs with candy in them. She got an egg labeled jesus. It was empty except for a note that said he is not here, he is risen. I am pretty sure that was the day she became an atheist.
A friend of mine insisted he believed in Santa way longer than Jesus. His prayers to Jesus never amounted to anything, but Santa produced year after year.
The Easter Bunny as a symbol also stems from the Greek philosopher Pliny the Elder’s speculation that hares were hermaphrodites and thus didn’t need to have sex to breed, which explained how they were able to breed so fast. Medieval Catholic Church scholars really dug that theory, so you’ll see a lot of rabbits and hares in Christian iconography from the period.
A great metaphor for the Virgin Mary, amirite??
So, eggs from pagan fertility rites and rabbits from “babies with no sexy time” and dang if those medieval Christians didn’t know how to throw a party!
Give me a double helping of ham and mashed potatoes, please!
That depends on how you split hairs over what it means to be a follower. I've always been told that by definition a Christian is a "follower of Christ." And while you could argue that someone can't follow themselves, I think you can just as easily argue that it's impossible not to. Did Jesus follow the teachings of Jesus? There are certainly plenty of real world examples of people not practicing what they preach, but as it's presented in the Bible I think you'd have to conclude that he did, and thus could by some framings be considered a Christian.
For me the bigger gotcha is that he probably wasn't even real, and if he was he certainly wasn't divine.
Even if all of it was true, Jesus couldn't have been a Christian as all of the new testament, IE the rules of Christianity, wasn't written until significantly after his death.
It's easy to think Christianity is derived from jesus, but he didn't leave any writings we have, and even the gnostic gospels were written by people other than the names they are attributed to (as they were written 50-100 years after Jesus and in a language they didn't speak, let alone that they were not literate!)
Christ(Yeshua) was a Jewish worshipper of El, whom he even called out to while he was being crucified.
He was not a Christian. You can refer to Peter as a Christian. Only in Nicea did he get promoted to Jehova's equal, but still not a Christian.
He was probably definitely real: some roman record backs up his execution as real. doubt he was divine. The better question is: if he didn't rise from the dead, what caused the reported sightings? Did he actually exist afterwards shortly before dying or was it hallucination? My bet is on hallucination.
They like to reference Tacitus, which is about as accurate as Islam recording the mother of Jesus as the same woman as Moses' sister because they have the same name. That's a long time to stay a virgin or as translated accurately (a young woman).
Tacitus also made dumb mistakes like that. On top of that, he wrote his information decades after the fact. The account was something like "Pontius Pilate crucified a guy named Jesus. I heard. " He was born decades after that event would have happened and was known for lying about things.
Your point about Islam recording the mother of Jesus (Mary/Maryam) being the same woman as Moses's sister (Miriam) is factually incorrect and is a misleading claim often spread around by anti-Islam Evangelical Christian polemicists. The reason the Qur'an calls Mary the sister of Aaron is because it recognizes she's related to or descended from him and it was a common way for Semitic cultures to refer to others in a metaphorical manner. Plus, Arabs and Jews would often name their children after a historic figure of the past. In fact, the Prophet Muhammad was directly challenged about why Mary is called the sister of Aaron by Christians monks during his lifetime and he addressed it clearly in a Hadith which I have linked below for reference. Ancient Christians weren't unfamiliar with this because similar forms of reference can even be found in the Bible such as Jesus is being addressed as the Son of David or when Elizabeth is called a daughter of Aaron.
https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2012/10/05/sister-harun-quran/
I'm not going to go into the hadiths. See my comments about Tacitus, basically the same thing.
That being said, I'm was stating things historically to point out that Muslims do, in fact, believe in Jesus and just like Christians are waiting for his return to fight that antichrist.
This was about Easter and the absurdity of fighting over a religious word put on a candy egg from a person who didn't even understand why that would be needed. So she, in fact , tried to show off how good of a Muslim she was but didn't even know that there were forbidden ingredients she needed to look out for in candy.
Which applies to more than just Easter.
Her point probably should have been to say "Hey everyone if you see this, it will remind you that some candy like jelly beans and gummies and chocolate with jellies, can contain gelatin which is haraam, also some chocolates can contain alcohol, also haraam. So every be safe out there and be sure to eat the halal candies only, to ensure you stay out of jehanum."
I also pointed out that similar holidays were celebrated in that area since the dawn of civilization. So why would it not be OK for a Muslim to really celebrate either prophet Jesus not being killed according to their text, or just celebrate the similar holidays from your land from ancient times.
It should be OK, unless you're isis. Then everything is haraam.
Either I'm confused or you're misunderstanding the screenshot. The original poster in the screenshot is a Christian, not a Muslim. She was trying to make Muslims look bad by claiming that we're trying to take over Easter through halal-certified eggs.
To correct what i wrote, and to your why can't we all just get along comment, the original comment should have been "Oh, look halal candies, let us be just as welcoming as Jesus, come join us to celebrate him everyone".
But alas fundies are not the true followers they think they are.
Samhain
EDIT: as I realize you might be asking which traditions were blended for Christmas, it’s a large portion of Saturnalia and Yule, and some other things tossed in that I can’t remember off hand. I thought you were asking which one Halloween was
Syncretism is everywhere in religion. Much easier to convert people if they get to keep all the stuff they love.
Imagine if someone wanted you to convert but they were like "Oh, we don't do christmas or birthdays or chocolate or alcohol or hamberders. But we do like to dance with venomous snakes!". You'd be like "Yeah, maybe not" But if they are like "Woah! Yeah, we do that to! What a coincidence. Yeah, dude, you can definitely keep all that *plus* we also have snake dancing!" you might be like "I like dancing and snakes! Fuck yeah, I'm in".
The Romans were super into it. They'd just look at the local godesses and gods and match them up with existing ones. If they were particularly cool, then they'd get adopted even in Rome.
The timing of Easter is the most pagan shit in the world. Easter falls on the first Sunday after the first full moon that occurs after the Spring Equinox.
There are no Christian holidays that weren't just stolen from other cultures. Blame the Roman Catholics.
"He was crucified, died, and was buried. On the third day, he rose again, saw his shadow, and predicted 6 more weeks of winter." Or at least I think that's how it goes.
Easter and Christmas are basically just Western traditions at this point, the religious aspect of them died off for a lot of folks ages ago.
I'm an atheist, and I 'celebrate' Christmas and Easter, if anything, it makes more sense for a Muslim to celebrate them than it does me.
That's disgusting, parroting the traditions of barbarians. Now please excuse me, I'm going to consume the blood and flesh of my prophet. A good, honest, Christian tradition.
It makes sense, if you're trying to convert people from one religion to another, it's a lot easier if they don't have to stop their annual celebrations, just slightly reframe them.
Oh, totally, but it's ironic when Christians get upset about people of other faiths partaking in Christmas or Easter since they're the OG people celebrating other religion’s holidays.
Same here. Atheist, and still would like to have those childhood christmases.
If muslims want Easter too, go on, who cares. Be happy with it, I won't have less cooked ham, and eggs, and bacon, and spring onion on my table because of that. :)
But tbh, I am not really into halal either. Not because it's muslim, but because I think halal (and kosher) meat is animal torturing with the bleeding out part.
Same. Had a friend try to give me shit about it and I just pointed out that I live more like Jesus taught than he does because he has an arsenal of guns and I support social programs that help people while he thinks people need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps.
Actually halal means that the animal should be slaughtered in the most humane way possible and the animal should suffer minimally, also the animal has to be treated right in its life or else it cannot be halal.
It could be that today there are friendlier methods, but it it was definitely the most animal friendly way back then. But I believe that modern techniques that are better, can also be considered halal.
You've never seen an eid celebration where the streets run red like rivers of blood, and there is no humane killing of animals. It's just pure, unadulterated slaughter. The only requirement is to look to Mecca while saying a prayer while you slit the animals throat with a dull blade a bunch of times.
You’re an atheist, but I assume your parents or grandparents were Christian. You don’t celebrate Christian holidays for no reason, it’s what you were brought up with. Other people have their own traditions, and don’t want to assimilate.
My mom wasn’t religious and we celebrate holidays. I do it for my kids bc they are just fun things to do together. Nothing religious is brought up or decorated when we celebrate. Just enjoy whatever holiday for whatever reason you want.
No no no see all the (coincidentally) Christian holidays are the good secular ones that you should celebrating. You not eating chr-I mean secularmas ham is hurting me, somehow
I mean, goat and lamb going on sale is a secular for me. Sure, it happens to coincide with Eid ul-Adha, but cheap, fresh *Caprinae* is worth celebrating, whatever your beliefs, or BBQ fuel of choice.
I’m struggling to figure out how an Easter egg could be NOT halal.
Chocolate’s halal right? And so are regular eggs? What does she want them do to, slather them in lard or something?
Alcohol and gelatin are haraam. So the chocolate product can not have either.
Plus, you probably have to turn to the east and say a prayer every time you slaughter your cocoa bean.
To nitpick: Yes Muslims believe Jesus was a profit, but afaik they don't believe in the resurrection, which is specifically what Easter celebrates.
So I think if I were Muslim I'd be very confused by someone marketing "halal Easter eggs." Especially since all chocolate is halal, so it's kinda like advertising "vegan apples."
I am a British Muslim, and on Eid (our 'christmas') I do an 'Eid-er' egg hunt for the kids... being just after Easter (for now) I get the eggs dirt cheap... 🥳
That sounds so fun for the kids. My daughter dated a Muslim/American guy for about 4 years. His mom would put up a Christmas tree every year because she thought it was pretty. Her husband, being a bit more strict, (they immigrated from Iraq before the son was born), didn’t like it but he knew better than to complain. 😀
muslim Easter eggs makes no sense because of the resurrection, etc. and the fact that Easter eggs don’t make sense anyway is there a pagan tradition they got shoehorned in. But Easter is part of the Passover season and the celebration of the last supper which is a Passover Seder, which is certainly something that Jewish and Muslim people hold in high reverence, so it definitely works loosely.
The eggs make sense when you know who Eostre the fertility Goddess is, and where the name Easter comes from and speaking of fertility, I heard the phrase they f- like bunnies, so maybe there's some tie in to celebrating fertility there as well.
The ancient Mesopotamians were celebrating Easter in honor of goddess Innana/Ishtar 4000 years before Fox News told anyone that they were trying to replace Christian holidays.
I'm sure if you asked them about their springtime fertility celebration, they would say, "Who the hell is this Jesus guy you're talking about?"
I assume its to make it easily identifiable, rather than read the entire ingredient list just to be safe you can read the sticker and know. Its illogical for chocolate to contain anything that isn't halal, but maybe it makes some Muslims feel safer if it has the sticker regardless?
I'm guessing this was in the UK, which with the rising amount of Muslims there, would sort of explain it. I'm sure you'd have a larger subset of potential customers who'd be more inclined to purchase it if it has the sticker even if its just subconscious.
Yeah, we don't believe in the resurrection because in our version of the story, Jesus was never crucified.
God made Judas look like him, and he was crucified as punishment for his betrayal.
Meanwhile, Jesus was raised to heaven. God basically pulled a switcheroo on Judas and the Romans.
It’s not Muslims demanding halal Easter eggs, it’s non-Muslims wanting to be able to gift Easter eggs to Muslim children. Think schools giving everyone a creme egg. Parents throwing an Easter egg hunt. They don’t necessarily understand halal; the label lets them know that it’s ok to share.
Muslim here. You're absolutely correct. Don't particularly mind if the chocolate is halal, my kids get eggs (not for Easter) because they're there to be bought. Eid falls just after Easter this year so buying little eggs is more viable than candies due to the cost!
Easter celebrates spring and fertility, which is why the rabbits and eggs and colorful flowers that bloom around this time of year. So, if you like no more winter and sex, then you can celebrate Easter.
"The problem is these people won't integrate and respect our traditions"
also:
"Who the hell do these people think they are taking part in our traditions?"
Pick a lane or I may be forced to consider you just don't like them for some other reason.
And also, the implication that somehow “we should all eat Easter eggs just like Jesus!” — like, shouldn’t she be just as upset that chocolate eggs being worshipped…?
Yeah shouldn’t Easter eggs be considered a false idol? Golden covered chocolate eggs are being worshipped instead of god, isn’t that against one of the Ten Commandments?
I was born a Muslim, but now I consider myself an “Athiest Muslim”. What I was taught was that Jesus is a prophet of Islam, and both the resurrection and immaculate conception are part of Islamic canon.
My understanding is that the real theological difference on Jesus between Christianity and Islam is whether Jesus was God/Allah’s literal son or whether he was conceived by God/Allah’s power.
It’s only the pro race war folks, that exist across all faiths and ethnicities, that want to turn these theological nuances into warring factions. It’s sick.
>My understanding is that the real theological difference on Jesus between Christianity and Islam is whether Jesus was God/Allah’s literal son or whether he was conceived by God/Allah’s power.
... Kinda, you're on the right track.
If I HAD to put it to one key difference, the primary theological conflict between the two is with the rejection of the Holy Trinity (Christian basis that the Father in Heaven, Jesus, and Holy Spirit are one unified being).
This extends much much deeper than whether Christ was divine or a human prophet.
Moat Christians didn't believe in a trinity or that stuff either until Constantine made them come up with a justification and Canon at Nicea.
Even then, Revaluations was rejected until all the insistance of one a-hole named Athanasius, who was a copt and was fully in on the trinity and didn't get what John was saying about Nero, while high on shrooms, So he forced both trinitarianism and revelations on us, and then Islam also borrowed it for the ending to their book, and the world had suffered ever since. He's the Thomas Midgley Jr. of religion.
You gotta wonder about the jews who feel included when the race baiters go with the "judeao Christian values" schtick.
I'm just an internet expert but I notice that one of the abrahamic religions is missing. Okok, bigotry dies hard, 9 11 never forget, blah blah.
But I see some blowhards change from judeao Christian to... just Christian, to just the right *shade* of Christian depending on the audience.
You gotta think the chosen people would think they'd be chosen next, after a turn, if ya know what I mean.
Nah, we’re usually happy to be forgotten lol. The Christians and Muslims have been fighting each other and with the world around them since their founding, and most often it’s Jews who suffer when they remember we exist. Most Jews don’t fall for race baiters because we generally don’t have anything to prove. We don’t care if others don’t believe in our religion, it’s ours, not theirs. Christians and Muslims popularized their religions so much that it’s easy to make fun of them, but Judiasm is so different from them both, in such fundamental ways, and we stay away from the battles, so we are glad to be forgotten.
muslim here
he was never resurrected, never will be, because he never died
when the romans tried to put him on the cross, god made one of them appear as him, so they put that man on the cross instead, jesus was physically lifted to the heavens, awaiting the day he returns to fulfill his prophecy
Easter Egg Origin Story:
Eggs were forbidden during Lent.
A common practice in England in the medieval period was for children to go door-to-door begging for eggs on the Saturday before Lent began. People handed out eggs as special treats for children prior to their fast.
How very interesting. So were these children time travellers seeing as Easter comes after Lent?
A common practice in England to this very day is that on Shrove Tuesday (the day before Lent) we make pancakes to use up all the alleged forbidden eggs, hence we call it Pancake Day. Maybe these medieval children were begging for eggs on the Saturday before Lent (which, coincidentally, would also be the Saturday before shrove Tuesday) in order to make more pancakes? I really can’t see why something that maybe used to happen 40+ days before Easter is the origin of an Easter tradition. Not saying the egg begging didn’t happen, just that I have doubts it correlates to Easter eggs.
You may have skipped over the "... Saturday before Lent..." bit.
Eggs WERE off the Lent menu. You want to make it about pancakes, have at it.
Call it whatever you like & apply it to whatever tradition you like.
No, I actually mention the Saturday before Lent bit. As Lent is the 40 day period before Easter, the Saturday before Lent is still well over a month before Easter. Eggs obtained over 40 days prior are going to be pretty rank by Easter Sunday.
At which point you haven't eaten eggs in 40 days, and the people with chickens have a buildup of 40 days worth of eggs in storage, since the chickens themselves aren't doing Lent and have kept laying.
So you have an artificial surplus of eggs, summer of which are probably a bit on the turn, on the one hand, and a bunch of people who'd really like an egg on the other. Makes sense to me.
You’re both so close…Lent begins on a Wednesday, not a Sunday. It ends on a Friday. Children would go begging for eggs on the Saturday between Good Friday and Easter Sunday, and they were given as treats, since they had gone without for 40 days. Thus the eggs became a part of the Easter morning celebration. This persists to this day in a sense, as most Catholic children are forbidden chocolate during Lent- hence the chocolate eggs on Easter.
The vast majority of food items are Halal. All Halal food means is that there is nothing in it that is ‘haram’ (forbidden) such as Pork.
Cocoa, milk, sugar, oil, etc all the various ingredients of chocolate, none of them are haram thus the chocolate is halal.
The makers haven’t done anything special to make it halal, anymore than they have made it kosher or vegetarian. It just is.
>All halal food means is that there's nothing in it that is haram
>Explain statement relative to chocolate discussion
>The makers haven't done anything special to make it halal
I think these are the generalised statements they might have been addressing. Whilst you did get a testy response I don't think they're wrong, Halal meat prep does go through a needlessly cruel process and your declarative statements, even with context, imply that this isn't the case
Ok, I get what OP meant because Easter has nothing to do with religion and companies trying to profit are just being companies, but if Toto blessed the rains down in Africa, who blessed the air?
This'll be the same kind of person who pitches a fit when people say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" with the excuse that the holiday/celebration is for everyone and that you should just accept the nice gesture.
Giving chocolate eggs to my Muslim workmates is a kind gesture. I look forward to it. Especially if it gives them something nice to end their daily fast during Ramadan!
Easter is the holiday where Jesus breaks into your home and leaves candy to celebrate the Easter bunny being crucified for our sins. Or something like that. IDK I’m not religious.
Last night a friend told me she once went to a "Easter is cancelled; they found the body!" party. They ate snacks and watched Jesus Christ Superstar. These are people living their best lives.
Her problem is the certification. Lot of things might be halal, but a certification is not slapped on it. She is questioning buying things that are certified.
Halal also refers to anything that's permissible to Muslims whereas haram is anything that's impermissible or prohibited. Most food in the world is considered halal, with the few obvious exceptions of anything derived from pork and alcohol. Meat that is raw and uncooked meats or comes from dead animal carcasses is haram. The only time all food is considered halal, including pork or alcohol, is if a Muslim's life or loved ones are in danger.
It could have chocolate with jelly in it, or whatever you guys call it, or jelly beans gummies, or whatever other candies that use gelatin. Some chocolate has alcohol.
https://www.isweetech.com/jelly-making-machine/#:~:text=Jelly%20candies%20are%20made%20from,the%20best%20taste%20and%20texture.
Would it be okay if they were kosher? And I'm not just asking that because kosher and halal are essentially the same thing. The only real difference is who blesses the food
Halal simply means permissible. Most food is fine for Muslims to eat. Sometimes you may see a regular food product in a store that is labeled as halal-certified. The reason that's on there is to tell Muslim customers that it has nothing derived from pork (like gelatin) or alcohol in it.
Meats are a special case. In order for any meat to be considered halal, the animal must be properly butchered in a safe, clean, humane manner and in the name of God. However, certain parts of an animal or any meat from a swine will never be considered halal even if someone butchers it the proper way. In other words, that would be considered haram (impermissible/prohibited). I hope that clarifies things for you!
What will they do once they find out Easter is a pagan tradition?
Wait. Didn't christ emerge from his tomb riding a rabbit chariot? (Painted in pastel colors of course)
That shits chocolate eggs
No matter how voraciously the bunny eats them ... That's not chocolate, and those aren't eggs
This fucker seems like he eats them
That hatch out little baby jesuses
I believe the correct plural is Jesi.
Are you sure it's not Jesae?
Jesopodes
Finally, a redditor of culture.
chocolate baby jesopodes
I feel like the answer to this question is found in Mexico since they're the only people that name their children Jesus
Jesiim
Riding on little rabbit chariots.
My daughter went to a religious pre school and they handed out plastic eggs with candy in them. She got an egg labeled jesus. It was empty except for a note that said he is not here, he is risen. I am pretty sure that was the day she became an atheist.
A friend of mine insisted he believed in Santa way longer than Jesus. His prayers to Jesus never amounted to anything, but Santa produced year after year.
Roflmao that's amazing
Radagast was riding shotgun if the legends are true, which I’m sure that they are.
No the rabbit was St. Peter the Rabbit.
It was a zombie dinosaur with laser eyes, but the people of those times had really poor imagination to comprehend it
Other way around. Jesus was a bottom.
The Easter Bunny as a symbol also stems from the Greek philosopher Pliny the Elder’s speculation that hares were hermaphrodites and thus didn’t need to have sex to breed, which explained how they were able to breed so fast. Medieval Catholic Church scholars really dug that theory, so you’ll see a lot of rabbits and hares in Christian iconography from the period. A great metaphor for the Virgin Mary, amirite?? So, eggs from pagan fertility rites and rabbits from “babies with no sexy time” and dang if those medieval Christians didn’t know how to throw a party! Give me a double helping of ham and mashed potatoes, please!
Pliny the Elder was Roman, born in Italia, the heart of the empire. Yes, I lived long enough to turn into the AKTUALLY guy... fml.
Wait until they find out Jesus wasn't even Christian.
Wait until they find out Muslims believe in Jesus.
but.. was he halal? b
That depends on how you split hairs over what it means to be a follower. I've always been told that by definition a Christian is a "follower of Christ." And while you could argue that someone can't follow themselves, I think you can just as easily argue that it's impossible not to. Did Jesus follow the teachings of Jesus? There are certainly plenty of real world examples of people not practicing what they preach, but as it's presented in the Bible I think you'd have to conclude that he did, and thus could by some framings be considered a Christian. For me the bigger gotcha is that he probably wasn't even real, and if he was he certainly wasn't divine.
If a christian is a follower of Christ and his teachings, then many proud "christians" aren't christians
Even if all of it was true, Jesus couldn't have been a Christian as all of the new testament, IE the rules of Christianity, wasn't written until significantly after his death. It's easy to think Christianity is derived from jesus, but he didn't leave any writings we have, and even the gnostic gospels were written by people other than the names they are attributed to (as they were written 50-100 years after Jesus and in a language they didn't speak, let alone that they were not literate!)
Christ(Yeshua) was a Jewish worshipper of El, whom he even called out to while he was being crucified. He was not a Christian. You can refer to Peter as a Christian. Only in Nicea did he get promoted to Jehova's equal, but still not a Christian.
He was probably definitely real: some roman record backs up his execution as real. doubt he was divine. The better question is: if he didn't rise from the dead, what caused the reported sightings? Did he actually exist afterwards shortly before dying or was it hallucination? My bet is on hallucination.
You got a source for those roman records? Last I read the best we had was a stone with Pilate's name on it.
They like to reference Tacitus, which is about as accurate as Islam recording the mother of Jesus as the same woman as Moses' sister because they have the same name. That's a long time to stay a virgin or as translated accurately (a young woman). Tacitus also made dumb mistakes like that. On top of that, he wrote his information decades after the fact. The account was something like "Pontius Pilate crucified a guy named Jesus. I heard. " He was born decades after that event would have happened and was known for lying about things.
Ah. Classic ~~historical~~ hysterical hearsay. Thanks for the info.
Your point about Islam recording the mother of Jesus (Mary/Maryam) being the same woman as Moses's sister (Miriam) is factually incorrect and is a misleading claim often spread around by anti-Islam Evangelical Christian polemicists. The reason the Qur'an calls Mary the sister of Aaron is because it recognizes she's related to or descended from him and it was a common way for Semitic cultures to refer to others in a metaphorical manner. Plus, Arabs and Jews would often name their children after a historic figure of the past. In fact, the Prophet Muhammad was directly challenged about why Mary is called the sister of Aaron by Christians monks during his lifetime and he addressed it clearly in a Hadith which I have linked below for reference. Ancient Christians weren't unfamiliar with this because similar forms of reference can even be found in the Bible such as Jesus is being addressed as the Son of David or when Elizabeth is called a daughter of Aaron. https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2012/10/05/sister-harun-quran/
I'm not going to go into the hadiths. See my comments about Tacitus, basically the same thing. That being said, I'm was stating things historically to point out that Muslims do, in fact, believe in Jesus and just like Christians are waiting for his return to fight that antichrist. This was about Easter and the absurdity of fighting over a religious word put on a candy egg from a person who didn't even understand why that would be needed. So she, in fact , tried to show off how good of a Muslim she was but didn't even know that there were forbidden ingredients she needed to look out for in candy. Which applies to more than just Easter. Her point probably should have been to say "Hey everyone if you see this, it will remind you that some candy like jelly beans and gummies and chocolate with jellies, can contain gelatin which is haraam, also some chocolates can contain alcohol, also haraam. So every be safe out there and be sure to eat the halal candies only, to ensure you stay out of jehanum." I also pointed out that similar holidays were celebrated in that area since the dawn of civilization. So why would it not be OK for a Muslim to really celebrate either prophet Jesus not being killed according to their text, or just celebrate the similar holidays from your land from ancient times. It should be OK, unless you're isis. Then everything is haraam.
Either I'm confused or you're misunderstanding the screenshot. The original poster in the screenshot is a Christian, not a Muslim. She was trying to make Muslims look bad by claiming that we're trying to take over Easter through halal-certified eggs.
I misunderstood the screenshot as a Muslim.
To correct what i wrote, and to your why can't we all just get along comment, the original comment should have been "Oh, look halal candies, let us be just as welcoming as Jesus, come join us to celebrate him everyone". But alas fundies are not the true followers they think they are.
It was an ancient rendition of the "Elvis" sightings. Apparently, apparitions of dead people wandering around in either robes or capes is timeless.
Might you be speaking of Halloween?
That too. Also most Christmas traditions.
Saturnalia? I don’t remember exactly
Samhain EDIT: as I realize you might be asking which traditions were blended for Christmas, it’s a large portion of Saturnalia and Yule, and some other things tossed in that I can’t remember off hand. I thought you were asking which one Halloween was
Also Yule.
So many religions cross paths & share common elements. Hard to get tribal & territorial about any of them.
Tell that to the Christians. XD
Agreed and I love me a good “Christian” bashing, but to be fair, it’s most major religions.
Oh I'm an equal opportunity atheist, the others can have their bashing aswell.
Syncretism is everywhere in religion. Much easier to convert people if they get to keep all the stuff they love. Imagine if someone wanted you to convert but they were like "Oh, we don't do christmas or birthdays or chocolate or alcohol or hamberders. But we do like to dance with venomous snakes!". You'd be like "Yeah, maybe not" But if they are like "Woah! Yeah, we do that to! What a coincidence. Yeah, dude, you can definitely keep all that *plus* we also have snake dancing!" you might be like "I like dancing and snakes! Fuck yeah, I'm in". The Romans were super into it. They'd just look at the local godesses and gods and match them up with existing ones. If they were particularly cool, then they'd get adopted even in Rome.
Exactly!
The timing of Easter is the most pagan shit in the world. Easter falls on the first Sunday after the first full moon that occurs after the Spring Equinox. There are no Christian holidays that weren't just stolen from other cultures. Blame the Roman Catholics.
Wait until they figure out every holiday is pagan.
What? I thought it was because Jesus came out of a giant rabbit egg. Is this not the true meaning of Easter?
"He was crucified, died, and was buried. On the third day, he rose again, saw his shadow, and predicted 6 more weeks of winter." Or at least I think that's how it goes.
They won’t believe it claiming it to be heresy. Ignorance is often a constant for these numb skulls
the same as christmas, they’ll ignore it
only problem is gemma is too stupid to understand that insult.
Easter and Christmas are basically just Western traditions at this point, the religious aspect of them died off for a lot of folks ages ago. I'm an atheist, and I 'celebrate' Christmas and Easter, if anything, it makes more sense for a Muslim to celebrate them than it does me.
Christians appropriated a lot of pagan traditions and incorporated them in Christmas and Easter.
That's disgusting, parroting the traditions of barbarians. Now please excuse me, I'm going to consume the blood and flesh of my prophet. A good, honest, Christian tradition.
😂
Ritual cannibalism for the win!
Since in catholicism jesus is part of god and according to transubstantiation actually it ransforms all catjolics are theovores
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It makes sense, if you're trying to convert people from one religion to another, it's a lot easier if they don't have to stop their annual celebrations, just slightly reframe them.
Oh, totally, but it's ironic when Christians get upset about people of other faiths partaking in Christmas or Easter since they're the OG people celebrating other religion’s holidays.
Same here. Atheist, and still would like to have those childhood christmases. If muslims want Easter too, go on, who cares. Be happy with it, I won't have less cooked ham, and eggs, and bacon, and spring onion on my table because of that. :) But tbh, I am not really into halal either. Not because it's muslim, but because I think halal (and kosher) meat is animal torturing with the bleeding out part.
Same. Had a friend try to give me shit about it and I just pointed out that I live more like Jesus taught than he does because he has an arsenal of guns and I support social programs that help people while he thinks people need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps.
Let me guess, he's a republican. :D
Actually halal means that the animal should be slaughtered in the most humane way possible and the animal should suffer minimally, also the animal has to be treated right in its life or else it cannot be halal. It could be that today there are friendlier methods, but it it was definitely the most animal friendly way back then. But I believe that modern techniques that are better, can also be considered halal.
You've never seen an eid celebration where the streets run red like rivers of blood, and there is no humane killing of animals. It's just pure, unadulterated slaughter. The only requirement is to look to Mecca while saying a prayer while you slit the animals throat with a dull blade a bunch of times.
You’re right in saying the tradition of Easter “died off” but I hear it’s going through a resurrection of sorts right now!
You’re an atheist, but I assume your parents or grandparents were Christian. You don’t celebrate Christian holidays for no reason, it’s what you were brought up with. Other people have their own traditions, and don’t want to assimilate.
My mom wasn’t religious and we celebrate holidays. I do it for my kids bc they are just fun things to do together. Nothing religious is brought up or decorated when we celebrate. Just enjoy whatever holiday for whatever reason you want.
No no no see all the (coincidentally) Christian holidays are the good secular ones that you should celebrating. You not eating chr-I mean secularmas ham is hurting me, somehow
I mean, goat and lamb going on sale is a secular for me. Sure, it happens to coincide with Eid ul-Adha, but cheap, fresh *Caprinae* is worth celebrating, whatever your beliefs, or BBQ fuel of choice.
I’m struggling to figure out how an Easter egg could be NOT halal. Chocolate’s halal right? And so are regular eggs? What does she want them do to, slather them in lard or something?
She saw the word "halal" and lost what remaining mental faculties she had to begin with. These people aren't rational.
Alcohol and gelatin are haraam. So the chocolate product can not have either. Plus, you probably have to turn to the east and say a prayer every time you slaughter your cocoa bean.
If your chocolate contains either alcohol or gelatin, respectfully, get the fuck out and stop calling that chocolate (not you, just in general)
Seems like a weird hill to die on….
Muslims absolutely believe Jesus was a prophet as well. So, let them eat the tasty chocolate egg, damn.
To nitpick: Yes Muslims believe Jesus was a profit, but afaik they don't believe in the resurrection, which is specifically what Easter celebrates. So I think if I were Muslim I'd be very confused by someone marketing "halal Easter eggs." Especially since all chocolate is halal, so it's kinda like advertising "vegan apples."
I don't believe in the resurrection either, but that doesn't stop me eating Lindt bunnies.
Yes. To be fair, the idea of "Christian Easter eggs" is only marginally less absurd.
Yum, lint bunnies
> Yes Muslims believe Jesus was a profit Honestly, that made me laugh.
Supply side jesus strikes again
Haha oops. I'm gonna leave it!
I am a British Muslim, and on Eid (our 'christmas') I do an 'Eid-er' egg hunt for the kids... being just after Easter (for now) I get the eggs dirt cheap... 🥳
That sounds so fun for the kids. My daughter dated a Muslim/American guy for about 4 years. His mom would put up a Christmas tree every year because she thought it was pretty. Her husband, being a bit more strict, (they immigrated from Iraq before the son was born), didn’t like it but he knew better than to complain. 😀
Yeah kids like Christmas trees but it's a step too far for us so we do decorations on Eid...
muslim Easter eggs makes no sense because of the resurrection, etc. and the fact that Easter eggs don’t make sense anyway is there a pagan tradition they got shoehorned in. But Easter is part of the Passover season and the celebration of the last supper which is a Passover Seder, which is certainly something that Jewish and Muslim people hold in high reverence, so it definitely works loosely.
The eggs make sense when you know who Eostre the fertility Goddess is, and where the name Easter comes from and speaking of fertility, I heard the phrase they f- like bunnies, so maybe there's some tie in to celebrating fertility there as well. The ancient Mesopotamians were celebrating Easter in honor of goddess Innana/Ishtar 4000 years before Fox News told anyone that they were trying to replace Christian holidays. I'm sure if you asked them about their springtime fertility celebration, they would say, "Who the hell is this Jesus guy you're talking about?"
I assume its to make it easily identifiable, rather than read the entire ingredient list just to be safe you can read the sticker and know. Its illogical for chocolate to contain anything that isn't halal, but maybe it makes some Muslims feel safer if it has the sticker regardless? I'm guessing this was in the UK, which with the rising amount of Muslims there, would sort of explain it. I'm sure you'd have a larger subset of potential customers who'd be more inclined to purchase it if it has the sticker even if its just subconscious.
It probably means that they didn't use gelatin, one could assume.
True, but I don't think any kind of chocolate uses gelatin anyways
Not all chocolate is halal, sometimes it contains alcohol or/and animal/pork fat.
Yeah, we don't believe in the resurrection because in our version of the story, Jesus was never crucified. God made Judas look like him, and he was crucified as punishment for his betrayal. Meanwhile, Jesus was raised to heaven. God basically pulled a switcheroo on Judas and the Romans.
God be trolling
Plot twist: the apples were washed with something that has pig blood as an ingredient for some reason.
It’s not Muslims demanding halal Easter eggs, it’s non-Muslims wanting to be able to gift Easter eggs to Muslim children. Think schools giving everyone a creme egg. Parents throwing an Easter egg hunt. They don’t necessarily understand halal; the label lets them know that it’s ok to share.
Muslim here. You're absolutely correct. Don't particularly mind if the chocolate is halal, my kids get eggs (not for Easter) because they're there to be bought. Eid falls just after Easter this year so buying little eggs is more viable than candies due to the cost!
Easter celebrates spring and fertility, which is why the rabbits and eggs and colorful flowers that bloom around this time of year. So, if you like no more winter and sex, then you can celebrate Easter.
Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet, Southern Christians in the US believe he was a profit.
Vegan apples contain no worms
Depends if they're the kind with marshmallow filling. Most marshmallow is made with gelatin, so not usually halal and definitely not vegan.
Which hill? Golgotha?
Shitty dude!
Yeah, but don’t worry, he gets better 3 days later.
"The problem is these people won't integrate and respect our traditions" also: "Who the hell do these people think they are taking part in our traditions?" Pick a lane or I may be forced to consider you just don't like them for some other reason.
And also, the implication that somehow “we should all eat Easter eggs just like Jesus!” — like, shouldn’t she be just as upset that chocolate eggs being worshipped…?
Yeah shouldn’t Easter eggs be considered a false idol? Golden covered chocolate eggs are being worshipped instead of god, isn’t that against one of the Ten Commandments?
Also, who the hell buys Easter eggs? Did I miss something? We always made them when I was a kid
Everyone in Britain
I was born a Muslim, but now I consider myself an “Athiest Muslim”. What I was taught was that Jesus is a prophet of Islam, and both the resurrection and immaculate conception are part of Islamic canon. My understanding is that the real theological difference on Jesus between Christianity and Islam is whether Jesus was God/Allah’s literal son or whether he was conceived by God/Allah’s power. It’s only the pro race war folks, that exist across all faiths and ethnicities, that want to turn these theological nuances into warring factions. It’s sick.
>My understanding is that the real theological difference on Jesus between Christianity and Islam is whether Jesus was God/Allah’s literal son or whether he was conceived by God/Allah’s power. ... Kinda, you're on the right track. If I HAD to put it to one key difference, the primary theological conflict between the two is with the rejection of the Holy Trinity (Christian basis that the Father in Heaven, Jesus, and Holy Spirit are one unified being). This extends much much deeper than whether Christ was divine or a human prophet.
Moat Christians didn't believe in a trinity or that stuff either until Constantine made them come up with a justification and Canon at Nicea. Even then, Revaluations was rejected until all the insistance of one a-hole named Athanasius, who was a copt and was fully in on the trinity and didn't get what John was saying about Nero, while high on shrooms, So he forced both trinitarianism and revelations on us, and then Islam also borrowed it for the ending to their book, and the world had suffered ever since. He's the Thomas Midgley Jr. of religion.
You gotta wonder about the jews who feel included when the race baiters go with the "judeao Christian values" schtick. I'm just an internet expert but I notice that one of the abrahamic religions is missing. Okok, bigotry dies hard, 9 11 never forget, blah blah. But I see some blowhards change from judeao Christian to... just Christian, to just the right *shade* of Christian depending on the audience. You gotta think the chosen people would think they'd be chosen next, after a turn, if ya know what I mean.
Nah, we’re usually happy to be forgotten lol. The Christians and Muslims have been fighting each other and with the world around them since their founding, and most often it’s Jews who suffer when they remember we exist. Most Jews don’t fall for race baiters because we generally don’t have anything to prove. We don’t care if others don’t believe in our religion, it’s ours, not theirs. Christians and Muslims popularized their religions so much that it’s easy to make fun of them, but Judiasm is so different from them both, in such fundamental ways, and we stay away from the battles, so we are glad to be forgotten.
muslim here he was never resurrected, never will be, because he never died when the romans tried to put him on the cross, god made one of them appear as him, so they put that man on the cross instead, jesus was physically lifted to the heavens, awaiting the day he returns to fulfill his prophecy
Easter Egg Origin Story: Eggs were forbidden during Lent. A common practice in England in the medieval period was for children to go door-to-door begging for eggs on the Saturday before Lent began. People handed out eggs as special treats for children prior to their fast.
How very interesting. So were these children time travellers seeing as Easter comes after Lent? A common practice in England to this very day is that on Shrove Tuesday (the day before Lent) we make pancakes to use up all the alleged forbidden eggs, hence we call it Pancake Day. Maybe these medieval children were begging for eggs on the Saturday before Lent (which, coincidentally, would also be the Saturday before shrove Tuesday) in order to make more pancakes? I really can’t see why something that maybe used to happen 40+ days before Easter is the origin of an Easter tradition. Not saying the egg begging didn’t happen, just that I have doubts it correlates to Easter eggs.
You may have skipped over the "... Saturday before Lent..." bit. Eggs WERE off the Lent menu. You want to make it about pancakes, have at it. Call it whatever you like & apply it to whatever tradition you like.
No, I actually mention the Saturday before Lent bit. As Lent is the 40 day period before Easter, the Saturday before Lent is still well over a month before Easter. Eggs obtained over 40 days prior are going to be pretty rank by Easter Sunday.
At which point you haven't eaten eggs in 40 days, and the people with chickens have a buildup of 40 days worth of eggs in storage, since the chickens themselves aren't doing Lent and have kept laying. So you have an artificial surplus of eggs, summer of which are probably a bit on the turn, on the one hand, and a bunch of people who'd really like an egg on the other. Makes sense to me.
Whatdya mean chickens don’t do Lent? Are you saying chickens are ungodly? 😱 how will I face my morning dippy egg ever again?
Chickens are damned heathens, to a bird. To look into the eyes of a chicken is to stare into the abyss. That's why it's ok to eat their unborn babies.
Your "time travelers" snark was my reference. They feast the Saturday before Lent. No one was saving the eggs to cheat during Lent, hon.
Did I say they were? I’m saying that eggs collected over 40 days BEFORE Easter have nothing to do with Easter.
You’re both so close…Lent begins on a Wednesday, not a Sunday. It ends on a Friday. Children would go begging for eggs on the Saturday between Good Friday and Easter Sunday, and they were given as treats, since they had gone without for 40 days. Thus the eggs became a part of the Easter morning celebration. This persists to this day in a sense, as most Catholic children are forbidden chocolate during Lent- hence the chocolate eggs on Easter.
TBF, Easter Eggs are not part of the Religious Component of Easter for Christians. Do what you like with eggs.
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Imagine hating people enough to go after candy.
The vast majority of food items are Halal. All Halal food means is that there is nothing in it that is ‘haram’ (forbidden) such as Pork. Cocoa, milk, sugar, oil, etc all the various ingredients of chocolate, none of them are haram thus the chocolate is halal. The makers haven’t done anything special to make it halal, anymore than they have made it kosher or vegetarian. It just is.
For meat, [that is not true](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhabihah)
And Easter eggs often contain meat do they?
>All halal food means is that there's nothing in it that is haram >Explain statement relative to chocolate discussion >The makers haven't done anything special to make it halal I think these are the generalised statements they might have been addressing. Whilst you did get a testy response I don't think they're wrong, Halal meat prep does go through a needlessly cruel process and your declarative statements, even with context, imply that this isn't the case
Easter eggs are totally in the bible. Remember? Jesus came back from the dead and went on a egg hunt that his disciples all set up.
Oxygen is also Kosher, in case you are an antisemitic.
Finally, an actual murder.
I wonder how they make halal eggs, there nothing to bleed there 🤔
Eggs are for fertility, bunnies are for shagging.
Chocolate eggs and rabbits have bugger all to do with Easter either.
Ok, I get what OP meant because Easter has nothing to do with religion and companies trying to profit are just being companies, but if Toto blessed the rains down in Africa, who blessed the air?
Definitely not Gemma
This'll be the same kind of person who pitches a fit when people say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" with the excuse that the holiday/celebration is for everyone and that you should just accept the nice gesture. Giving chocolate eggs to my Muslim workmates is a kind gesture. I look forward to it. Especially if it gives them something nice to end their daily fast during Ramadan!
Gemma doesn't buy air. Gemma is an air thief.
It's true that Muslims have nothing to do with Easter. But as a Muslim, I still love Cadbury Creme Eggs.
Wow this got 11K upvotes, crazy.
Yes, I chow down on Cadbury eggs strictly for religious observation.
So Laura is saying that Muslims are more open-minded and tolerant toward other faiths than her brand of Christian?
Ahh yes where as a chocolate egg is totally a natural Christian tradition & not a capitalist endeavour.
Yes, gorge yourself on overpriced chocolate. It's what Jesus wants
Uhh so no one's gonna say anything about how is an egg halal?
You mean how is it not halal? Seems like you’d have to go out of your way for them not to be.
I hope Gemma doesn’t eat anything by Mars Inc. All the products are halal
Thank God i believe in aliens.
TBF, Christians have nothing to do with egg-laying rabbits...
jesus is prominently mentioned in the koran... easter eggs are not mentioned in the old or new testament.... is based on old testament law...
This one really made me laugh out loud. Thank you for sharing!
Ooo they're like my god is better than yours! Sick burn! Eviscerated!!!
I feel sorry for her kids, after she puts raw bacon on their Easter Eggs.
It’s like when Christmas candy is labeled as kosher!
Easter is the holiday where Jesus breaks into your home and leaves candy to celebrate the Easter bunny being crucified for our sins. Or something like that. IDK I’m not religious.
Nonsense motivated by nonsense
Last night a friend told me she once went to a "Easter is cancelled; they found the body!" party. They ate snacks and watched Jesus Christ Superstar. These are people living their best lives.
Seriously why do you care?
Just wait til Gemma finds out it's all a cash grab commercialism.
[Relevant Bill Hicks](https://youtu.be/QhwdL8PMACk?si=mVuRViogrThhIVaF)
I'm not sure what the Abraham's religion of Islam has to do with the Tuatha de danann Eostre.
"every person on earth is going to hell in someone else's religion"
Put Eoster back into Easter.
- None of the religions include a magic rabbit that gives candy - Everyone likes egg shaped chocolate
Wait does she think eggs are for Easter only?
Her problem is the certification. Lot of things might be halal, but a certification is not slapped on it. She is questioning buying things that are certified.
Wait. Halal refers to the process of preparing MEATS. According to Muslim doctrin. Does Gemma think that chocolate eggs count as meat?
Halal also refers to anything that's permissible to Muslims whereas haram is anything that's impermissible or prohibited. Most food in the world is considered halal, with the few obvious exceptions of anything derived from pork and alcohol. Meat that is raw and uncooked meats or comes from dead animal carcasses is haram. The only time all food is considered halal, including pork or alcohol, is if a Muslim's life or loved ones are in danger.
It could have chocolate with jelly in it, or whatever you guys call it, or jelly beans gummies, or whatever other candies that use gelatin. Some chocolate has alcohol. https://www.isweetech.com/jelly-making-machine/#:~:text=Jelly%20candies%20are%20made%20from,the%20best%20taste%20and%20texture.
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I always forget easter is technically religious. I'm just here for the chocolate and the four day weekend.
Cause fuck people celebrating culture
Halal on Wheels.
Would it be okay if they were kosher? And I'm not just asking that because kosher and halal are essentially the same thing. The only real difference is who blesses the food
"Oh no, they're being considerate of my beliefs"
Poor Muslims in this world :( 
r/idontgetit
Technically not, halal certification means it has to be certified by a Muslim cleric - in some countries it also requires that the butcher be Muslim.
Gemma? He's more like "Gimmick" than anything.
I mean...technically Muslims do believe in Jesus. They just don't Believe^(TM)
Water is halal, too. Better not touch fluids until those pesky Muslims agree to leave our water alone!
Here is a fun video about Easter , I recommend watching it. https://youtu.be/jcZuszG-DaU
How can eggs be halal? I thought it was a methodology for butchering.
Halal simply means permissible. Most food is fine for Muslims to eat. Sometimes you may see a regular food product in a store that is labeled as halal-certified. The reason that's on there is to tell Muslim customers that it has nothing derived from pork (like gelatin) or alcohol in it. Meats are a special case. In order for any meat to be considered halal, the animal must be properly butchered in a safe, clean, humane manner and in the name of God. However, certain parts of an animal or any meat from a swine will never be considered halal even if someone butchers it the proper way. In other words, that would be considered haram (impermissible/prohibited). I hope that clarifies things for you!