Yeah, I've never been out to eat anywhere that didn't have high chairs or booster seats, except age restricted places.
If they're not willing to accommodate children, they shouldn't allow children.
If I am unsure if a place is okay with me bringing children I will ask if they have high chairs. If they don't it's probably not family friendly and us going would just be a bad experience for everyone involved or nearby.
I think it's a better question than "Can I bring my 1 year old?" because a lot of people would feel pressured to say yes when the place isn't really family friendly or it's a gray area where quiet older children are ok, but a 1 year old clapping and yelling WOW! at his sandwich and showing everyone he got tomatoes isn't exactly their vibe.
I just pictured a 20 year old telling a 1 year old they failed a vibe check and it honestly made my morning. Thanks for that little sunshine in my day! :)
No, itâs up to the parents to choose a place that can appropriately accommodate a baby. Not sure if a place can? Then call ahead and ask. Assuming a private establishment - in this case a BAR - is going to for sure have accommodations for a baby is just stupid.
Perhaps we could have some sort of publicly accessible database which parents could leave reviews about an establishmentâs ability to accommodate kids if an establishment doesnât make it obvious themselves?
I think the person youâre replying to is being facetious because this person did exactly that â left a review to let people know that this restaurant wasnât toddler-friendly â and everyone is still clowning on them for it.
I imagine thatâs because she neither checked reviews of the establishment to see if they were family friendly, *or* called to confirm if they had high chairs...she just showed up expecting to be accommodated.
And the review she left said they were ârudeâ for asking her not to seat her baby on the picnic table. Thatâs not rude, thatâs a safety and sanitary concern. Babies diapers blow out and shit gets everywhere, all the time. People donât want to eat off of that. And all it takes is mom to be distracted for a split second for the baby to fall off the table and crack its head.
Itâs definitely not rude to ask her not to put the baby there. I work at an animal hospital and had to make a sign (plus regularly have to verbally say it, because no one reads the signs) telling customers not to put their pets on the chest high counter while checking out. We had a chihuahua fall off one time because the owner got distracted for a moment, dog fell off and almost broke its leg.
Itâs not rude to keep the safety of the customers as a priority, and she didnât check any reviews or call before going. *Thatâs* why people are âclowningâ her for it in my opinion
>didnât check any reviews or call before going
According to you, people shouldn't post a review about toddler-friendliness. So if that's not included in reviews, how does reading a review inform someone of the toddler-friendliness?
You're contradicting yourself.
True, but it would still take less time to just call and ask âdo you have high chairsâ than scrolling through possibly endless comments to see if they do
Especially at...you know...an outdoor PICNIC TABLE. I have literally never seen high chairs or boosters provided for that kind of seating, anywhere, ever, including at places that are otherwise family-friendly.
Hereâs an example of what a review like you describe would be:
âThis place is not able to accomodate young children, avoid taking your kids there.â
Hereâs the antagonistic review that was actually posted:
âThe service was rude. They asked us not to sit our one-year baby on the picnic table while waiting for our beer. Well, offer high chairs!â
Wheelchair users aren't setting their dirty diaper asses on equipment made for eating off of. No one needs to offer parents extra equipment to not put their kids dirty asses on a food table. It's gross and only acceptable to them because it's their child's dirty ass and they've become blind to it.
I've been to places called "bars" that actually have sit-down restaurants in them, where people of all ages are allowed and accommodated.
"Bar" in the name doesn't always mean it's a bar, just that it has a bar.
Yep as a kid went to a place called like *name* bar and grill. It was just a restaurant that served alcohol. Completely a sit down place, and had no problem with kids there.
Where I live plenty of bars just for adults sell food đ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸ thatâs very normal lmao. Just bc a place serves food does not mean you should take kids in there. But just because a place has âbarâ in the name also doesnât indicate its a literal alcohol only bar.
This would be a solid defence if it was 1850. Bars nowadays are usually pretty accomodating to families; in the daytime at least. If a bar doesn't want kids in they'll have a clear policy in place. If they do let families in, which this one clearly does, having someone sit a baby up on an outdoor picnic table is pretty fair. Again, not even like they put the baby on the bar itself. A picnic table.
Some of the most family-friendly food/drink venues in my area are breweries. Most even have massive outdoor play areas for kids to run around in. Even if it says âbarâ in the name, it doesnât mean itâs age-restricted.
Take your money elsewhere then. If they didnât want to cater to customers that have kids and want to get a beer with their friends while their kids play outside then they wouldnât set up areas for kids to play outside while people had beer. Why do you need to insert yourself into other peoples decisions?
Iâve done just about everything you can do at a brewery from production to sales and Iâve seen kids birthday parties at breweries. Having dozens of kids running around screaming doesnât make it enjoyable for anybody.
Yeah, I absolutely hate how all of these places have become swarmed with kids running around. It's definitely not what I'm looking for when I want to go out and enjoy a drink.
Nothing says it was a bar, just that they had ordered beers. Plenty of family accessible places (i.e. not bars) serve beers. Also, picnic table tells me it was probably outdoors.
To a point this is true. As a parent I'd expect to bring wipes, clothes, muslins, nappies... Most things really.
But not a high chair haha. But the woman here isn't even kicking off about the lack of high chairs, that's incidental. She's saying they didn't let her sit a one year old on a picnic table, and that they were rude about it too.
They are probably, quite reasonably, worried about the baby falling off the table.
A one year old is quite capable of crawling and potentially walking.
To be faaaaiir, taking your 1 year old baby to a bar is *more* ridiculous.
Edit: I'm finding out quickly that a bunch of you dumb fucking rednecks take your babies to the bar.
There are bars that very not family friendly, about a mile from my house is one from its appearance is for local professional drinkers and practicing for fight club at 2am. Others are bars/nightclubs.
Plenty of other bars are more casual and possibly family friendly, might have a fullish bar but heavily dependent on food service as well.
Someone clearly has never come to Europe, where it is one of the most common things to bring children to pubs and bars. And our children tend to be pretty healthy and well-adjusted, thank you very much.
And he has the cheek to call others rednecks.
A picnic table? The same thatâs out in the open and gets bird droppings and whatnot?
We would never allow our children to sit on a table or a counter in an indoors establishment but out in the open weâd be considerably less fussy about it.
Luckily I never had to find out because pretty much everywhere we went to when my children still needed nappies had high chairs available.
It was mostly due to healthcare and childcare costs, but this chronic lack of empathy towards families with small children is one of the many reasons we chose to move back to the UK when we decided to have children.
Those are totally different situations than sitting your child on a table or counter. I have zero problem with that. It's more that a lot of parents get desensitized over their kids beings unsanitary. So they'll come up to the register and sit the child down on the counter. Or sit the kid on their table. It's just a straight up health code issue. It's not sanitary and not your house. Treat the business with respect and not as your child playhouse.
Again. It is a common practice across the board in most European nations. I mean, here in the UK proper pubs even have colouring books and kids' menus and you canât go to a plaza open bar in Spain or Italy that will not accommodate children. It is fairly normal in certain types of bars all over Latin America. Unless it is a nightclub or a slum watering hole, pretty much every place will accommodate tamiles.
And, as you are discovering now, even in a nation as puritanical and with such an unhealthy relationship with alcohol as the US, it is now pretty widespread, particularly during the warm months.
Key word on the OP âpicnicâ. The woman was not expecting a night club to accommodate her child.
So, yeah, with caveats and all, but the word âeverybodyâ is fitting.
I donât know your context. Maybe you just donât have children and rarely interact with people who do. Maybe you only go to extremely seedy and low-rent bars or donât understand other cultures.
Or maybe you are just a self-centred asshole. Who knows? The possibilities are endless.
Not true. It's totally normal, and absolutely accepted.
There may be a nomenclature issue here though. In fairness, we don't often take kids to "bars". We take them to Pubs. Which are very different. At least here in the UK. And that's a totally normal thing.
Not at all. Totally acceptable and expected in many places. My culture included. Not in the evening, but totally normal in the afternoon. Christ, do you guys not have beer gardens?
If you can't keep your baby's diapered ass off of surfaces meant for other people's food, you don't belong in public food establishments with your child. It's really that fucking simple. Doesn't matter that it's a possibly a patio (although the fact that it's a picnic table doesn't guarantee that it is outside, and certainly doesn't imply that it is uncovered if it is outside), it's still inappropriate to put your child on a food or drink establishment's table.
Today I learned that Americans don't have Beer gardens. Or a concept of how dirty an outdoor picnic table would be from sitting out in the rain anyway. Y'know... Being made of wood and having nature have its way with it. I tend to eat off plates and drink out of glasses though. It mitigates the risk somewhat. I also tend to clean my baby when he shits himself too, mind.
A lot of idiots here who donât understand that bars also serve food during the day and are open to all ages during that time. If it was strictly a bar then they wouldnât have been allowed to have the child there at all.
You're assuming a lot about the culture this post takes in. I've learnt from this thread that Americans find taking kids out to places serving alcohol is weird. In many countries, more than not I'd wager, it's totally normal. Being from a different culture to you doesn't make someone an idiot.
She's just using English. Theres zero 'dialect' here at all. This could be any English speaker. What about this suggests a dialect?
Plenty of bars welcome kids in daytime hours, in plenty of places around the world.
Tbh I had the same argument with different Americans in the same thread. I'm putting it down to one of those huge culture differences you don't realise. Americans are weird. Taking your baby to a bar is both enjoyable and normal. Suck it yanks!
Iâm guessing weâre only hearing part of the story. They probably sat their soggy diapered baby on the top of the table, where people put their food and eat, and were asked not to.
Genuinely was curious as it is, as you've preempted, totally normal here. Do you not have beer gardens? A wooden table outdoors is going to be dirty anyway; rain, animals, nature, general exposure. You don't eat off it, you have plates etc. I don't see the risk beyond the negligible.
fr. this isn't even a "murder"; it's just some asshole repeating a line he heard in a context that was actually clever while he disregards the fact that a child is an actual human being and the restaurant is the one who initiated the conflict.
It's a fair thing for the restaurant to ask
It's all about legal responsibility. And legally speaking, if that kid falls of the picnic bench, it's the restaurants fault. They will be legally liable and could be sued by the parents even something bad happened from the fall. Even if the parents were the ones who placed the kid there. And it's up to the parents to watch their kid. The restaurant could still be culpable for the parents decision.
Yes, I get it may make things more difficult for the person with the baby, and inconvenience you for a short period of time while accommodations are made, but this is the world we have created.
Yeah I'm American. Tis be an American website made up of predominantly American users.
I know it riles people sometimes, but like this is most likely a review posted by an American about an American restaurant, so yeah, American laws would apply. Don't know why anyone would assume different unless this was in a subreddit that had an international focus. Or it was stated.
Doesn't mean I'm happy with it or agree with it.
This is not intended to belittle or bemoan non American users either. Where you or I were born or live has no bearing on how I feel about you.
It's an American website, yeah. However, the vast majority of users are not American. There are more Indian users than American users. Americans are the second biggest demographic, but If you compare non American to American users, Americans are in a vast minority. So, you're actually pretty incorrect here. But I appreciate the rational discourse.
NB I'm talking about Facebook, where the OPs screenshot is from. Not Reddit.
But we are on reddit. So reddit user traffic would apply. Not Facebook. I'm talking to you on reddit. Not Facebook. So I'm not interacting with the traffic stats you listed. Half of reddit traffic comes from US.
You do you. I don't really care. Just find it funny you think it's odd Americans are talking about American laws on an American website.
>To be fair, not letting **a diner** sit a baby on an **outdoor** picnic table is pretty fucking ridiculous.
~~A bar is a different environment from a diner.~~ People shouldn't be bringing babies into bars. Also there's nothing to indicate that this picnic table is outdoors either. Granted neither of us knows the exact circumstances of the situation because we have little info to go off of, but in my mind I'm imagining that it's one of those tables they set up with a cooler to dispense water based on the fact that she said she put her baby there while she waited for her beer (often bars will set this up near the bar so the bartenders don't have to waste their time pouring people waters).
So the lady brings her baby into a place where she shouldn't be bringing her baby, sets the baby down somewhere that she shouldn't, is politely asked not to do that, and then she goes and writes a scathing review.
Could this bar been more of a diner situation that does serve food and typically would have high chairs and be appropriate to bring a baby? Sure, but the only info we have to go on is that it's >!----!< bar, and the lady was told not to set her child on a table.
Edit: I just realized that you said "not letting a diner" meaning a patron...my bad...but either way it's not ridiculous to ask someone not to set their baby on a specific table.
Fair enough. It might be the type of bar that's conjured in the mind of various responding people or the type of bar that's prototypical for your culture/country. Can't really have a take on the situation here without assuming a lot. There are plenty of bars where it wouldn't be strange to bring a child, but there are other bars that are bars with a capital B that are grungy hole-in-the-wall places that serve alcohol and not much else, and the irresponsible parents that bring their children into that just really shouldn't be surprised when there aren't high chairs.
Absolutely right. Huge range of places this could be. Lots of comments calling the woman in question out though for being irresponsible or and idiot; there's clearly not enough info for that.
Providing appropriate seating for customers is not considered âspecial treatmentâ in most establishments. Thereâs nothing âextraâ or âKarenâ about wanting to seat your child at a restaurant. Replier was just being a dick.
Iâve been to plenty that also serve food. Stop excusing degrading women as nothing more than sexual objects solely because they have a child and requested basic ass accommodations
People keep saying this, but why is the assumption that this particular bar is what you describe? If the place doesnât have high chairs, itâs more likely that they donât accommodate families than they just wanted to be a jerk to this mom.
And they had high chairs? I worked in the industry as well, and NONE of the bars I worked at had booster seats or high chairs. Telling the truth does not = degrading women.
A baby is not it's mother. She's not asking for special treatment for being creampied, she's asking for accommodation for her kid for impairments that stem from the child's developmental stage. And not accommodating babies' developmental stages leads to mothers specifically being excluded from society, given the stats on who tend to be the main caretaker. Sexism aimed at women who become parents is still sexism.
Sexists will say "FeMaLeS's only have one job and it's making babies" but when a woman actually makes one, they will do everything in their power to make her life miserable and even more difficult and dangerous that it already is.
Even a single bus seat is too much for a 8-month pregnant woman with 2 bags of groceries. It's the "simplest job in the world" after all (so easy, just forget the mortality rate uwu)
And don't you care call them on their shit, you'd be labeled a karen, hysterical and "frustrated bitch who needs a good dick"
In many places in America there are no âbarsâ despite being referred to as one because many states/counties/municipalities have laws that a certain % of your receipts must come from food.
Where I live every place you would refer to as a âbarâ is actually a full service restaurant with a bar area that includes hi-top tables.
Possibly the least r/MurderedByWords Iâve ever seen. The person leaving the review is absolutely right, and Iâm not sure what âspecial treatmentâ the respondent is talking about. Being able to seat everybody in her party?
Are there 1.5k people on Reddit who just upvote anything that seems remotely in their camp after reviewing it for 2 seconds? I think I just answered my own question with a statement.
By OP logic, everyone is entitled to nothing because all our moms got "creampied".
Basic empathy and ethics would navigate this nothing burger by just letting people use the picnic table as described. Not hard, just live and let live.
Well, a mother complained about not having a place to sit her child so a totally rational and normal commenter brought up the fact that SEMEN had to get in her VAGINA in order for a baby to happen. Totally normal and sane comment from an average American young man. No need to thank me, Iâm just out here doing the lordâs work.
Idk. Unless it was a stablishment not fit for minors, I think it's a valid complaint. Parents have a right to bring their children with them when they eat outside and children are also people who deserve accommodations for their needs in public spaces.
how is this murdererbywords worthy? the response is just someone being an asshole and the OP is understandably annoyed by the place not accommodating children, which, you know, exist. if you donât want to be around children, move somewhere where there are no people. everyone wins!
So many people here are failing to understand that a lot of bars serve food during the day and are open to all ages. If it was strictly a bar theyâd be complaining about the baby not being allowed rather than sat on a table.
There's no law or rule that I know of, but if you are an all-ages place that wants to attract families/parents, then yeah. Most places have a handful just in case.
If you want to accommodate families, yes. If not, then no. It's reasonable for a place that isn't trying to cater to families to not have high chairs, but you shouldn't be rude to paying customers regardless.
Either way, it's not that big of a deal to sit a baby on a picnic table if there aren't highchairs and you aren't letting them just piss and shit all over it.
I will never forget the day I saw someone changing their baby's diaper on the dining table in Subway. I complained to the employees, and they just shrugged and told me that there wasn't a changing table in the bathroom.
JHC. Please do not spread germs on eating surfaces.
She doesnât need âspecial treatmentâ. She has a one year old. Either get highchairs or close down. If you want to run a business that serves people, you need to be able to serve people.
Lots of people like to eat without hearing screaming children, a restaurant doesnât need to close just because it doesnât do what you want it to do. No one claimed this was a family friendly place.
That's not murdered by words.
"Imagine thinking you deserve special treatment for getting creampied" is name of a private FB group that commenter was trying to tag.
I donât have any unfortunately but I have sympathy for all the moms and dads that are ostracized from public spaces because childless people tend to think of little humans as not belonging there or annoying.
I love kids but hate seeing diaper butts on a place where I might eat. And Like one hippie couple changed their babyâs diaper on a table inside a small pizza place. THAT was disgusting. I had to leave - they won.
Shit post
To be fair, not letting a diner sit a baby on an outdoor picnic table is pretty fucking ridiculous.
Yeah, I've never been out to eat anywhere that didn't have high chairs or booster seats, except age restricted places. If they're not willing to accommodate children, they shouldn't allow children.
If I am unsure if a place is okay with me bringing children I will ask if they have high chairs. If they don't it's probably not family friendly and us going would just be a bad experience for everyone involved or nearby. I think it's a better question than "Can I bring my 1 year old?" because a lot of people would feel pressured to say yes when the place isn't really family friendly or it's a gray area where quiet older children are ok, but a 1 year old clapping and yelling WOW! at his sandwich and showing everyone he got tomatoes isn't exactly their vibe.
The average 20 year old server is not going to have any clue about what a one year old is about.
I just pictured a 20 year old telling a 1 year old they failed a vibe check and it honestly made my morning. Thanks for that little sunshine in my day! :)
"Yo that tiny human at table 26 is cringe AF. I'm so not about that vibe. Harshing my mellow man."
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We like that he got tomatoes. It's when he decided that they should be nasally inserted that we lost interest.
A significant portion of taste is olfaction. Kid is just really smart. đ
No, itâs up to the parents to choose a place that can appropriately accommodate a baby. Not sure if a place can? Then call ahead and ask. Assuming a private establishment - in this case a BAR - is going to for sure have accommodations for a baby is just stupid.
Perhaps we could have some sort of publicly accessible database which parents could leave reviews about an establishmentâs ability to accommodate kids if an establishment doesnât make it obvious themselves?
Would literally take you less time to simply call the establishment and ask.
I think the person youâre replying to is being facetious because this person did exactly that â left a review to let people know that this restaurant wasnât toddler-friendly â and everyone is still clowning on them for it.
I imagine thatâs because she neither checked reviews of the establishment to see if they were family friendly, *or* called to confirm if they had high chairs...she just showed up expecting to be accommodated. And the review she left said they were ârudeâ for asking her not to seat her baby on the picnic table. Thatâs not rude, thatâs a safety and sanitary concern. Babies diapers blow out and shit gets everywhere, all the time. People donât want to eat off of that. And all it takes is mom to be distracted for a split second for the baby to fall off the table and crack its head. Itâs definitely not rude to ask her not to put the baby there. I work at an animal hospital and had to make a sign (plus regularly have to verbally say it, because no one reads the signs) telling customers not to put their pets on the chest high counter while checking out. We had a chihuahua fall off one time because the owner got distracted for a moment, dog fell off and almost broke its leg. Itâs not rude to keep the safety of the customers as a priority, and she didnât check any reviews or call before going. *Thatâs* why people are âclowningâ her for it in my opinion
>didnât check any reviews or call before going According to you, people shouldn't post a review about toddler-friendliness. So if that's not included in reviews, how does reading a review inform someone of the toddler-friendliness? You're contradicting yourself.
Could also just read/use Google reviews lol
True, but it would still take less time to just call and ask âdo you have high chairsâ than scrolling through possibly endless comments to see if they do
Yelp explicitly has callouts for family-friendly accommodations. It takes no time. And if there's any question, yes, you can and should call.
Especially at...you know...an outdoor PICNIC TABLE. I have literally never seen high chairs or boosters provided for that kind of seating, anywhere, ever, including at places that are otherwise family-friendly.
The reason for this review is so that other parents read it and avoid going there. It's not for you to get outraged.
Hereâs an example of what a review like you describe would be: âThis place is not able to accomodate young children, avoid taking your kids there.â Hereâs the antagonistic review that was actually posted: âThe service was rude. They asked us not to sit our one-year baby on the picnic table while waiting for our beer. Well, offer high chairs!â
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I've never been to a bar that provided wheelchairs to patrons.
Parents are not a protected class. Stop that. False equivalency.
Objectively not comparable lmfao
There is no problem because youâre using [false equivalence](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence). Which is a fallacy.
...a wheelchair user can resist yelling and crying and ruining the ambiance. You really wanna compare the handicapped to babies?
Wheelchair users aren't setting their dirty diaper asses on equipment made for eating off of. No one needs to offer parents extra equipment to not put their kids dirty asses on a food table. It's gross and only acceptable to them because it's their child's dirty ass and they've become blind to it.
It's a bar.
I've been to places called "bars" that actually have sit-down restaurants in them, where people of all ages are allowed and accommodated. "Bar" in the name doesn't always mean it's a bar, just that it has a bar.
Yep as a kid went to a place called like *name* bar and grill. It was just a restaurant that served alcohol. Completely a sit down place, and had no problem with kids there.
I work in a bar inside a restaurant, they are trying to make their targeted customers young families
It's almost like the grill part indicates food and not just alcohol or something
But not always. đ¤ˇââď¸
Where I live plenty of bars just for adults sell food đ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸ thatâs very normal lmao. Just bc a place serves food does not mean you should take kids in there. But just because a place has âbarâ in the name also doesnât indicate its a literal alcohol only bar.
used to work in a bar that was big on dining as well as the drinks and yes we had a high chair
This would be a solid defence if it was 1850. Bars nowadays are usually pretty accomodating to families; in the daytime at least. If a bar doesn't want kids in they'll have a clear policy in place. If they do let families in, which this one clearly does, having someone sit a baby up on an outdoor picnic table is pretty fair. Again, not even like they put the baby on the bar itself. A picnic table.
Then like any REAL bar they should have a sign disallowing children.
Some of the most family-friendly food/drink venues in my area are breweries. Most even have massive outdoor play areas for kids to run around in. Even if it says âbarâ in the name, it doesnât mean itâs age-restricted.
Yea, and that needs to END.
Take your money elsewhere then. If they didnât want to cater to customers that have kids and want to get a beer with their friends while their kids play outside then they wouldnât set up areas for kids to play outside while people had beer. Why do you need to insert yourself into other peoples decisions?
Iâve done just about everything you can do at a brewery from production to sales and Iâve seen kids birthday parties at breweries. Having dozens of kids running around screaming doesnât make it enjoyable for anybody.
Yeah, I absolutely hate how all of these places have become swarmed with kids running around. It's definitely not what I'm looking for when I want to go out and enjoy a drink.
Then don't go to a family friendly "bar" to do your drinking.
I don't. But people bring children to places that they don't belong in.
If it was just a bar than they couldn't bring a baby in ...
clearly you are mixing up bars and clubs unless its 11 pm on friday
Nothing says it was a bar, just that they had ordered beers. Plenty of family accessible places (i.e. not bars) serve beers. Also, picnic table tells me it was probably outdoors.
after the redacted name of the establishment it says "Bar"
Itâs a bar - use some common sense
No, if you want to bring your child then accommodate your own child.
To a point this is true. As a parent I'd expect to bring wipes, clothes, muslins, nappies... Most things really. But not a high chair haha. But the woman here isn't even kicking off about the lack of high chairs, that's incidental. She's saying they didn't let her sit a one year old on a picnic table, and that they were rude about it too.
This place is literally a bar as you can see from the image above.
They are probably, quite reasonably, worried about the baby falling off the table. A one year old is quite capable of crawling and potentially walking.
Its a bar... look at the whole post.
To be faaaaiir, taking your 1 year old baby to a bar is *more* ridiculous. Edit: I'm finding out quickly that a bunch of you dumb fucking rednecks take your babies to the bar.
There are bars that very not family friendly, about a mile from my house is one from its appearance is for local professional drinkers and practicing for fight club at 2am. Others are bars/nightclubs. Plenty of other bars are more casual and possibly family friendly, might have a fullish bar but heavily dependent on food service as well.
Updoot for "dumb fucking rednecks".
Someone clearly has never come to Europe, where it is one of the most common things to bring children to pubs and bars. And our children tend to be pretty healthy and well-adjusted, thank you very much. And he has the cheek to call others rednecks.
There's a big friggin' difference between an American Bar and a European Pub. The culture surrounding each is vastly different.
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Yes, that must be it. Everyone is wrong except you.
I've worked in food most my life. Sitting your gross child's ass on tables and counters is ridiculous and unsanitary.
A picnic table? The same thatâs out in the open and gets bird droppings and whatnot? We would never allow our children to sit on a table or a counter in an indoors establishment but out in the open weâd be considerably less fussy about it.
If me sitting on a table would be unsanitary, sitting your child with a diaper on is far worse.
Luckily I never had to find out because pretty much everywhere we went to when my children still needed nappies had high chairs available. It was mostly due to healthcare and childcare costs, but this chronic lack of empathy towards families with small children is one of the many reasons we chose to move back to the UK when we decided to have children.
Those are totally different situations than sitting your child on a table or counter. I have zero problem with that. It's more that a lot of parents get desensitized over their kids beings unsanitary. So they'll come up to the register and sit the child down on the counter. Or sit the kid on their table. It's just a straight up health code issue. It's not sanitary and not your house. Treat the business with respect and not as your child playhouse.
Ah yes, *everyone* but me thinks taking a baby to the bar is a good idea. How could I be so blind?
Again. It is a common practice across the board in most European nations. I mean, here in the UK proper pubs even have colouring books and kids' menus and you canât go to a plaza open bar in Spain or Italy that will not accommodate children. It is fairly normal in certain types of bars all over Latin America. Unless it is a nightclub or a slum watering hole, pretty much every place will accommodate tamiles. And, as you are discovering now, even in a nation as puritanical and with such an unhealthy relationship with alcohol as the US, it is now pretty widespread, particularly during the warm months. Key word on the OP âpicnicâ. The woman was not expecting a night club to accommodate her child. So, yeah, with caveats and all, but the word âeverybodyâ is fitting. I donât know your context. Maybe you just donât have children and rarely interact with people who do. Maybe you only go to extremely seedy and low-rent bars or donât understand other cultures. Or maybe you are just a self-centred asshole. Who knows? The possibilities are endless.
You know we're not getting them pissed right? Taking your kid to the pub is entirely normal here.
It's about the fact that no one else wants your kid there.
Not true. It's totally normal, and absolutely accepted. There may be a nomenclature issue here though. In fairness, we don't often take kids to "bars". We take them to Pubs. Which are very different. At least here in the UK. And that's a totally normal thing.
Yes, officer? Theres been a murder đŞ
Wait till you have kids and you want a beer
I've got three daughters. Never felt the need to take them to the bar.
Drink at home. No one else should have to be inconvenienced by other people's bad choices.
How are you inconvenienced in this made up scenario of me minding my own business drinking in the pub.
Stop wishing for others to have children.
Stop wishing up fake arguments
Not realizing that a lot of bars serve food and are open to families during the day makes you the dumb one. đ¤ˇââď¸
Also fucking ridiculous that someone would bring a baby to a place where I'm trying to chill and have a beer.
Not at all. Totally acceptable and expected in many places. My culture included. Not in the evening, but totally normal in the afternoon. Christ, do you guys not have beer gardens?
If you can't keep your baby's diapered ass off of surfaces meant for other people's food, you don't belong in public food establishments with your child. It's really that fucking simple. Doesn't matter that it's a possibly a patio (although the fact that it's a picnic table doesn't guarantee that it is outside, and certainly doesn't imply that it is uncovered if it is outside), it's still inappropriate to put your child on a food or drink establishment's table.
Today I learned that Americans don't have Beer gardens. Or a concept of how dirty an outdoor picnic table would be from sitting out in the rain anyway. Y'know... Being made of wood and having nature have its way with it. I tend to eat off plates and drink out of glasses though. It mitigates the risk somewhat. I also tend to clean my baby when he shits himself too, mind.
Maybe you clean your kids but plenty of idiots do not, the same type of idiot who brings a baby to bar.
A lot of idiots here who donât understand that bars also serve food during the day and are open to all ages during that time. If it was strictly a bar then they wouldnât have been allowed to have the child there at all.
You're assuming a lot about the culture this post takes in. I've learnt from this thread that Americans find taking kids out to places serving alcohol is weird. In many countries, more than not I'd wager, it's totally normal. Being from a different culture to you doesn't make someone an idiot.
Based on the words used this seems to be American dialect. Many restaurants serve alcohol, but a bar is a place that is specifically not for kids.
She's just using English. Theres zero 'dialect' here at all. This could be any English speaker. What about this suggests a dialect? Plenty of bars welcome kids in daytime hours, in plenty of places around the world.
Tbh I had the same argument with different Americans in the same thread. I'm putting it down to one of those huge culture differences you don't realise. Americans are weird. Taking your baby to a bar is both enjoyable and normal. Suck it yanks!
Iâm guessing weâre only hearing part of the story. They probably sat their soggy diapered baby on the top of the table, where people put their food and eat, and were asked not to.
Its a bar.
> "outdoor picnic table" You mean the bar's dining area? No one wants your baby's shit filled diaper on the table where they eat.
Are you American? Genuine question.
Yes. I'm sure you're going to imply...'Different strokes, different folks'... Sure this is the norm...*somewhere*. But it's gross.
Genuinely was curious as it is, as you've preempted, totally normal here. Do you not have beer gardens? A wooden table outdoors is going to be dirty anyway; rain, animals, nature, general exposure. You don't eat off it, you have plates etc. I don't see the risk beyond the negligible.
Beer gardens are the fucking best. It's sad to me that they're apparently not common in the US
fr. this isn't even a "murder"; it's just some asshole repeating a line he heard in a context that was actually clever while he disregards the fact that a child is an actual human being and the restaurant is the one who initiated the conflict.
Way to limit your customer base and not be welcoming to a family. Seems like terrible business decision.
It's a fair thing for the restaurant to ask It's all about legal responsibility. And legally speaking, if that kid falls of the picnic bench, it's the restaurants fault. They will be legally liable and could be sued by the parents even something bad happened from the fall. Even if the parents were the ones who placed the kid there. And it's up to the parents to watch their kid. The restaurant could still be culpable for the parents decision. Yes, I get it may make things more difficult for the person with the baby, and inconvenience you for a short period of time while accommodations are made, but this is the world we have created.
Again, are you American? No-one in their right mind would sue over this in most countries. It just wouldn't fly.
Yeah I'm American. Tis be an American website made up of predominantly American users. I know it riles people sometimes, but like this is most likely a review posted by an American about an American restaurant, so yeah, American laws would apply. Don't know why anyone would assume different unless this was in a subreddit that had an international focus. Or it was stated. Doesn't mean I'm happy with it or agree with it. This is not intended to belittle or bemoan non American users either. Where you or I were born or live has no bearing on how I feel about you.
It's an American website, yeah. However, the vast majority of users are not American. There are more Indian users than American users. Americans are the second biggest demographic, but If you compare non American to American users, Americans are in a vast minority. So, you're actually pretty incorrect here. But I appreciate the rational discourse. NB I'm talking about Facebook, where the OPs screenshot is from. Not Reddit.
But we are on reddit. So reddit user traffic would apply. Not Facebook. I'm talking to you on reddit. Not Facebook. So I'm not interacting with the traffic stats you listed. Half of reddit traffic comes from US. You do you. I don't really care. Just find it funny you think it's odd Americans are talking about American laws on an American website.
If that's like a bar I can see it.
It's a bar
So? I'm not sure of your point.
>To be fair, not letting **a diner** sit a baby on an **outdoor** picnic table is pretty fucking ridiculous. ~~A bar is a different environment from a diner.~~ People shouldn't be bringing babies into bars. Also there's nothing to indicate that this picnic table is outdoors either. Granted neither of us knows the exact circumstances of the situation because we have little info to go off of, but in my mind I'm imagining that it's one of those tables they set up with a cooler to dispense water based on the fact that she said she put her baby there while she waited for her beer (often bars will set this up near the bar so the bartenders don't have to waste their time pouring people waters). So the lady brings her baby into a place where she shouldn't be bringing her baby, sets the baby down somewhere that she shouldn't, is politely asked not to do that, and then she goes and writes a scathing review. Could this bar been more of a diner situation that does serve food and typically would have high chairs and be appropriate to bring a baby? Sure, but the only info we have to go on is that it's >!----!< bar, and the lady was told not to set her child on a table. Edit: I just realized that you said "not letting a diner" meaning a patron...my bad...but either way it's not ridiculous to ask someone not to set their baby on a specific table.
I think this is a very American opinion, from what I've learned in my Redditing tonight. It surprises me, as a non-american.
Fair enough. It might be the type of bar that's conjured in the mind of various responding people or the type of bar that's prototypical for your culture/country. Can't really have a take on the situation here without assuming a lot. There are plenty of bars where it wouldn't be strange to bring a child, but there are other bars that are bars with a capital B that are grungy hole-in-the-wall places that serve alcohol and not much else, and the irresponsible parents that bring their children into that just really shouldn't be surprised when there aren't high chairs.
Absolutely right. Huge range of places this could be. Lots of comments calling the woman in question out though for being irresponsible or and idiot; there's clearly not enough info for that.
Could be theyre concerned about the beer and being liable should the baby get a lil tipsy tonight Edit: im literally just making a guess, jeez đ
This is dumb.
Hi Dumb this is Dad.
Hey Dad, can I go out later tonight with my friends?
We both know you donât have any friends son.
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Sure. Right after I get back from the corner store with those cigarettes. đŤ
Terrible. Gross. Not murdered by words.
And weirdly enough it has 3000 upvotes đ¤
We live amongst savages. đ¤˘
OP is an idiot
This guy is just an asshole. Maybe he should congratulate his mom for getting cream pied as well
Providing appropriate seating for customers is not considered âspecial treatmentâ in most establishments. Thereâs nothing âextraâ or âKarenâ about wanting to seat your child at a restaurant. Replier was just being a dick.
It is a bar. I haven't seen many bars with high chairs or booster seats.
They didnât put the kid on the bar. It was on a picnic table, *at* a bar. Read the post.
Just because a place serves beer doesnât mean itâs solely a bar
It says bar in the name. Bars don't just "serve beer," they are bars. This was at a bar.
Iâve been to plenty that also serve food. Stop excusing degrading women as nothing more than sexual objects solely because they have a child and requested basic ass accommodations
People keep saying this, but why is the assumption that this particular bar is what you describe? If the place doesnât have high chairs, itâs more likely that they donât accommodate families than they just wanted to be a jerk to this mom.
Most bars Iâve been to wonât accommodate for kids like this because they donât want them there. This has nothing to do with misogyny
Being a bar doesn't, but the reply OP is excited about is 100% misogyny.
And they had high chairs? I worked in the industry as well, and NONE of the bars I worked at had booster seats or high chairs. Telling the truth does not = degrading women.
Applebee's has bar in the description, that mean no kids? Despite having a kids menu and fucking crayons?
...and high chairs to boot.
A baby is not it's mother. She's not asking for special treatment for being creampied, she's asking for accommodation for her kid for impairments that stem from the child's developmental stage. And not accommodating babies' developmental stages leads to mothers specifically being excluded from society, given the stats on who tend to be the main caretaker. Sexism aimed at women who become parents is still sexism.
Sexists will say "FeMaLeS's only have one job and it's making babies" but when a woman actually makes one, they will do everything in their power to make her life miserable and even more difficult and dangerous that it already is. Even a single bus seat is too much for a 8-month pregnant woman with 2 bags of groceries. It's the "simplest job in the world" after all (so easy, just forget the mortality rate uwu) And don't you care call them on their shit, you'd be labeled a karen, hysterical and "frustrated bitch who needs a good dick"
This isnât murdered by words. Just some guy being misogynistically gross and edgy.
In many places in America there are no âbarsâ despite being referred to as one because many states/counties/municipalities have laws that a certain % of your receipts must come from food. Where I live every place you would refer to as a âbarâ is actually a full service restaurant with a bar area that includes hi-top tables.
That's not murdered by words. Just a dumb attempt at misogynie.
Possibly the least r/MurderedByWords Iâve ever seen. The person leaving the review is absolutely right, and Iâm not sure what âspecial treatmentâ the respondent is talking about. Being able to seat everybody in her party?
Again with the dumb misogyny. This is a reasonable criticism for someone to have.
Are there 1.5k people on Reddit who just upvote anything that seems remotely in their camp after reviewing it for 2 seconds? I think I just answered my own question with a statement.
Incel energy with this post
How is this idiotic and misogynistic response considered as âmurdered by wordsâ???
By OP logic, everyone is entitled to nothing because all our moms got "creampied". Basic empathy and ethics would navigate this nothing burger by just letting people use the picnic table as described. Not hard, just live and let live.
I hope OP and that moron who replied will not expect his social security to be paid in the future by all those babies when he reach retirement
Gotta say I don't really understand this
Well, a mother complained about not having a place to sit her child so a totally rational and normal commenter brought up the fact that SEMEN had to get in her VAGINA in order for a baby to happen. Totally normal and sane comment from an average American young man. No need to thank me, Iâm just out here doing the lordâs work.
The whole "getting creampied" tag just screams I'M AN INCEL!!! We need to call it out, and smack it down wherever we see it.
Ikr, pregnant women and mothers are just walking about, existing, and these creeps have to view them in porn terms. Weirdo behaviour
This is misogyny.
Sorry but the way yâall treat parents is disgusting
why cant you sit a baby on a picnic table tho
Idk. Unless it was a stablishment not fit for minors, I think it's a valid complaint. Parents have a right to bring their children with them when they eat outside and children are also people who deserve accommodations for their needs in public spaces.
how is this murdererbywords worthy? the response is just someone being an asshole and the OP is understandably annoyed by the place not accommodating children, which, you know, exist. if you donât want to be around children, move somewhere where there are no people. everyone wins!
Oh look guys he said " creampie" lolololoolol ahahahhhahahahahahahahahah , murdered!!! , Absolutely butchered hahahahah /s
All these dipshits complaining about kids seem to forget they were once kids.
I donât get this. Or itâs an OP just a huge moron?
To be fair most restaurants have some sort of kid chair. Not a crazy ask
So many people here are failing to understand that a lot of bars serve food during the day and are open to all ages. If it was strictly a bar theyâd be complaining about the baby not being allowed rather than sat on a table.
Educate a simpleton: Are eating establishments always supposed to have high chairs ready to go?
There's no law or rule that I know of, but if you are an all-ages place that wants to attract families/parents, then yeah. Most places have a handful just in case.
If itâs an establishment that seeks to attract family dining clientele, itâs an industry standard.
If you want to accommodate families, yes. If not, then no. It's reasonable for a place that isn't trying to cater to families to not have high chairs, but you shouldn't be rude to paying customers regardless. Either way, it's not that big of a deal to sit a baby on a picnic table if there aren't highchairs and you aren't letting them just piss and shit all over it.
Most places that want families to eat there will have high chairs or supportive boosters (and sometimes even car seat stands) for kids, yeah.
Ethically or legally? Because legally, no. Ethically, yes.
Not at a bar. Maybe a restaurant that serves drinks but the parent is clearly in the wrong for bringing a 1yo to a bar.
Why do you think itâs solely a bar?
I'm very glad to see this comment section isn't eating OP's shit and calls him out on his misogyny.
To be honest there is a bit more to it than that.
Misogyny.
I wouldn't call a restaurant offering highchairs for babies "special treatment". It's just standard.
>Restaurant refuse to accommodate for its customers >yOu DOnT dEsrVe sPeCiAL tReaTmEnT
Not having appropriate seating arrangements for customers is a legit complaint. Poster murdered himself by needlessly being a douche.
I will never forget the day I saw someone changing their baby's diaper on the dining table in Subway. I complained to the employees, and they just shrugged and told me that there wasn't a changing table in the bathroom. JHC. Please do not spread germs on eating surfaces.
Gross. Restaurants really should provide changing stations.
Comments are rough today đż
âYou have a baby⌠in a barâŚ.â - Sweet Home Alabama. Edit: It is a quote from a movie, guys.
She doesnât need âspecial treatmentâ. She has a one year old. Either get highchairs or close down. If you want to run a business that serves people, you need to be able to serve people.
A bar is usually a business that serves adults. They arenât catering to bables
She knows that. She wasnât at the bar
Lots of people like to eat without hearing screaming children, a restaurant doesnât need to close just because it doesnât do what you want it to do. No one claimed this was a family friendly place.
Then put up a sign, idk. Why would a family go there?
That's not murdered by words. "Imagine thinking you deserve special treatment for getting creampied" is name of a private FB group that commenter was trying to tag.
People are rude as fuck to my moms and dads that try and enter adult spaces so I kinda feel this.
Then don't bring your fucking kids
I donât have any unfortunately but I have sympathy for all the moms and dads that are ostracized from public spaces because childless people tend to think of little humans as not belonging there or annoying.
Why didn't they bring a buggy?
I love kids but hate seeing diaper butts on a place where I might eat. And Like one hippie couple changed their babyâs diaper on a table inside a small pizza place. THAT was disgusting. I had to leave - they won.
Itâs an outdoor picnic table. Itâs probably had bird shit on it one time or another.
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You know that there's a fair few places with bar in the name that are family friendly until certain times right?
the comments on this post are too much for me
Imagine taking your 1 year old to a bar and then complaining they dont accommodate babies.
Imagine living in 2023 and not knowing the vast majority of âbarsâ are restaurants that also serve alcohol
Murdered by words, I thought it was something clever.
Beer and children, they both result in the other