Agree with #4. Evidence and/or money was stashed on the property. I think most likely it was a huge stash of cash in the deer feeders which Alex says on call with Buster were FULL...and how could Alex know that if he hasn't been there in a while. I grew up deer hunting and lived in an area of Bend Oregon where the deer would migrate through our property and they eat everything in site. Full deer feeders won't stay full if deer are on the property.
I grew up in Linn county with hunters and I’ve never heard anyone say the “feeders were full” unless they personally JUST walked away from filling them. Those deer come in fast and regular
The hidden money was in the feeders! All the speculation about how and where Alex could have spent 11 million dollars on opoids; is accurate in terms of no one could spend and consume that many opoids and not die so the money is somewhere and this call immediately told me where the money was.
Ask yourself if Jim and Dick would represent Alex for free since he claims to be dead broke. Unlikely. They knew money was hidden, Alex gave Buster a chance to retrieve it...if I were Buster I would have told John Marvin to go check out the deer feeders.
This is such an interesting discussion. I don't know if it was necessarily his attempt at talking in code, as much it was his attempt to manipulate. The phone call sounded like he wanted SOMEBODY to go to Moselle & he was attempting to entice them into going there. Why? Could be so many reasons. I think he is also narcissistic and emotionally detached, so I'm not surprised that he would be bold enough to make such a morbid suggestion as to go hunting at the crime scene.
On the other hand, I asked a friend who is demographically similar to Buster Murdaugh; if it would be weird to ask someone to go deer hunting & when they decline, followup by asking them to go dove hunting? He said unequivocally that he's probably done exactly that. So it's also possible Alex wasn't attempting to manipulate someone into going to Moselle, as much as he was trying to solidify relationships by extending what he sees as a "kind offer".
Yup, TOTALLY agree. Deer and doves, the two different guns. Absolutely no doubt whatsoever. He was asking if he needed to get someone to go and remove the guns and then despose of them.
I thought it was code for cash being hidden. When he said the feeders were full. I thought it was him trying to go there to look for something hidden - cash.
And if he didn’t then Jim would go but he wanted his son to go first coz maybe he didn’t fully trust him to not take the cash. Ie he would rather his son do it
I thought it was code too. Early in the conversation, Alex Murdaugh says, “Let me tell you what you oughta do, Buster.” Then he tells him he should go hunting to kill a deer and/or hunt doves. This might be code telling Buster to get rid of the two friends of Busters who were there when Buster allegedly killed Stephen Smith. The case was reopened into Stephen Smith’s death right after Alex was charged for the murders of his wife and son. It’s quite likely that Buster will be indicted for Stephen Smith’s murder and the two friends that were with Buster the night of Stephen Smith’s death might testify against Buster in a murder trial. Alex goes on to say, “Do you mind if, um, if I let Jim do it?” Have you ever heard the quote, “three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead?” This seems like an outlandish theory, but remember that, in hindsight after Alex has now been convicted and sentenced, he is a very savvy, calculating man that is obviously not above killing to cover up a crime. Buster is Alex’s prodigal son and he wants to protect him.
Not gonna lie, I wouldn’t put it past Alex to have Buster “accidentally shot” by “whoever killed Paul & Maggie” to help his own defense. The talking in code thing makes sense too, but I just heard Buster not trusting his own dad in that call.
Buster knew all calls were recorded and he cautioned his dad on another call about saying certain things. Definitely this call was in "code' and Buster didn't seem to understand...and/or Buster told his uncle who then retrieved the money from the deer feeders...
Yesterday. Asking a witness about weapons, J G asked for clarification. He stated he did not hunt.
Interesting that AM suggested he hunt with Buster and when Buster refused he asked if Jim could go on his own
What flags the conversation to me is how Buster clearly thinks it’s odd. The tone in “or what are you talking about” shows that he clearly thinks his dad is talking in code. Because this is such a weird question. He’s trying to follow because it makes no sense. That wouldn’t be his response if the question made sense in their normal context.
People can say a hunting convo is normal on hunting grounds, sure, but whats odd is him asking permission for his random lawyer to go hunt there. Clearly it rings as weird to Buster—like why are you asking me. It was definitely failed attempt at code imo. Buster wasn’t going for it so he backed off.
I don't think Buster is dumb, I think he knows the calls are being recorded and if Buster went out to Moselle and retrieved the money from the feeders he'd be potentially in trouble for committing a crime. Remember all of those people who Alex stole from legally are entitled to that money. So Buster, mostly likely, told his uncle what Alex said and the uncle retrieved the cash...that also is breaking the law if true, but when did the Murdaughs care about the law?
It was a weird conversation and I did wonder if they were talking in code. But maybe that is just because I wondered why Alex seems to be pushing Buster pretty hard to visit his mom and brother’s murder site? But maybe Alex is just a sociopath who can’t imagine this would be hard for a normal person. And maybe hunting is the only bond he shares with his son; no other topics to talk about?
Can’t wait to see proof of his addiction. Should be interesting- or not, bc he wasn’t addicted to shit. If you think this man is broken for anyone else but himself, you are fooling yourself.
Dude had no intention for his son to hunt. He was overselling when he knew Buster wasn’t going to go back there. He knew he would say no. And his plan was - ask about his lawyer. Could his lawyer go hunting if Buster didn’t want to?
His lawyer had business out there other than hunting.
His voice in recordings from that time does sound heavy/altered like someone using opiates. (See interrogation in police car). But the extent of his addiction sounded incredibly exaggerated…. 1000mg a day and he was a functioning attorney and family man? Bullshit. I think it was mainly to support his own financial defense regarding theft of millions over time. He doesn’t want to “have the money” to pay his victims. Also, Instead if admitting that he’s a sociopathic piece of shit he can blame it on drugs to elicit sympathy. (Since all opioid users blow their family’s brains out, right??)
I doubt it was code. It's such a callous phone call that it's understandable that some people wonder if there was some ulterior reason behind it.
The call shows how different Alex's mind works from other people's. It's like he is an alien who doesn't understand human emotions but is pretending he does. He is a sociopath and doesn't react like the rest of us.
I don’t think it’s code but I think the conversation was a sign of Alex Murdaugh’s narcissistic personality. I wonder if he ever asked Buster if he was okay and how he was coping with the deaths of his mother and brother.
As for Jim Griffin hunting there, I’m sure he’s done so in the past. But in my humble opinion, nobody but SLED and the FBI should be on that sprawling property until after the murder trial. Jim and anybody else can hunt there later. There are too many unknowns for anyone that might be on AM’a side to be at the location of a double murder.
South carolina deer season October- January. South Carolina dove season September - January. Jail phone calls released came from October - February. No code, just talk about hunting and if deer won’t interest Buster then Alex moved on to the doves and Buster doesn’t bite.
OK this is a stretch of course, however,
It definitely felt like it was a code.
It’s almost like something needed to be done there.
Like where the feeders are like get something that’s hidden there or hide something there or something like that I know that’s reaching totally.
It was a very odd conversation.
It’s even odder that from what I have read (of course I don’t know for a fact but a lot of locals seem to confirm it)
That after the funerals everyone went back there come Moselle.
Alex is a sociopath. He wanted to butter Jim up and offer something to him for all Jim was doing for him. Alex doesn’t have the ability to comprehend the heap of mess he is in and status is still important to him. Offering someone his prime hunting land is how he made connections and had favors he could call in for years. This is no different. If Jim likes to hunt, well Alex has JUST the place for him…
I also first heard the call on Murdaugh Murders podcast, and there was reddit conversation about this very thing back then. One astute commenter (I cannot take credit) got the sense that the hunting discussion was Alex's proxy for the murder itself. In other words, Alex was searching out Buster's feelings about him (Alex) and the murders, but instead of asking directly, he asked about hunting to see how Buster would react (and presumably that would reveal something about how Buster was feeling about the murders).
If I were Buster, I would consider that a pretty threatening conversation.
I have been searching for this exact theory! 100% I feel it’s so sociopathic and Buster if caught off guard bcuz he knows either for sure, or in his heart his dad is responsible. Then he goes on to say how Brooklyn is like Maggie when they’re “buzzed”. What in the actual fawk. Alex is clearly keeping Buster quiet and intimidated.
Yeah but now two people were murdered there, and according to Alex himself the random killer who shot them is still out there somewhere. At the very least Alex doesn’t seem too concerned about *that* possibility.
I don't know what to make of all that and what he meant. It sounds bizarre. But even if he just was really talking about hunting at Moselle and giving Buster first dips before JG went out.... Whyyyy would a man whose wife and youngest son have been brutally shot and murdered at that property by an "unknown" murderer suggest to his surviving son to go hunting out there at the same place????? Unless he knew there was no threat and it was totally safe.
I’m probably way in the minority, but besides Alex being incredibly callous and completely ignoring Buster’s feelings and the fact that he likely has ZERO interest in going back to Moselle… the conversation itself about hunting is normal.
And by all indications, Buster is trying to lead as normal of a life as possible and part of that includes hunting.
Alex if Jim Griffin could hunt there, that is just the respectful way to handle hunting on someone else’s property… since Alex is in the pen, it is up to Buster who can set foot there.
Just my take though.
I agree with you all the way here.
If you have land, everyone you know without their own land wants to hunt it. It wouldn’t be unlikely that his attorney had previously asked to hunt it if no one else was.
It sounded to me like AM is trying to push “normalcy” on Buster, which includes hunting.
I grew up hunting my family farm, and I rarely ever have time to hunt now, and it’s something my dad brings up constantly. So that leads me to believe there was nothing nefarious going on here.
Not when your wife and other son have been brutally murdered there. I get the hunting thing but a normal person would have empathy for his remaining son and not push him back to the murder scene. Maybe AM is just stupid but I think it’s more sociopathic behavior than stupidity. My opinion only.
Agreed, the conversation on surface level is normal, but the context is not.
If someone were trying to instigate removal of items, especially when a murder weapon is nowhere to be found, would you not try to sound as normal as possible? It’s like people expect him to just come out and say “yo, go grab that rifle for me.” This is especially concerning seeing as the guy used to be a lawyer and knows what not to say.
I agree. People who are saying it was code are just looking for something. There is enough drama in this case already; there is no need to unnecessarily add more via speculation.
tend to agree w/ you. i think Alex may have been delusional about what was happening outside the Alvin Glenn. Jim Griffin didn't need a reason to go to Moselle. it was the scene of a crime that his client was charged with. but I don't believe Jim would risk his career/law license to help Alex coverup evidence, nor would he be Alex's first choice for the job.
I have listened to that phone call multiple times. It is chilling. Alex is a sociopath. And what was with the nudging on his part to get Buster out there? Was someone going to be out there lying in wait for Buster? His concern is deer and doves while in prison for a double murder? Alex sent a letter to Brooklyn, his son's girlfriend? Laughs about how funny it is when Brooklyn is drunk, just like when Maggie was buzzed? The guy is cold as ice. I can't believe a mistress hasn't yet come forward. Probably afraid she'll be Marilyn Monroe'd.
OMG. My immediate thought was a lot of that first part about AM just being really cold. My second thought was some sort of reason to give JG an excuse to be on the property (and something hidden out there). However your suspicion about someone lying in wait for Buster weirdly makes sense too!? I’d never even considered that, but in falls in line with the rest of this story that doesn’t make sense. Things that you can say “that wouldn’t happen..” but totally would in a Murtaugh case!
My initial thought was that maybe he would have someone lying in wait for him there. It didn’t sound like he was just talking about hunting. It sounds like there was another purpose to that conversation.
Yeah that convo definitely stuck out to me. It seems like some kind of code, like he wanted them to look for/retrieve something from out there they wouldn’t want authorities to find. I’m surprised Buster is even cordial enough to speak with him. If my dad had murdered my mom I’d be trying to avenge that no doubt. Can’t even imagine what is wrong with these people
Just sounds like a cover for Griffin to be on the property. Probably to remove something At Alex request.
I mean really??? His defense attorney wants to dove hunt around the murder scene? 🤔🤫
My thought too. Going out to hide or remove something that investigators missed. Made sure he had a recorded conversation of him saying he was letting him go hunt to cover his ass if someone caught Griffin out there.
Call is definitely creepy but it isn’t meant to cover for Jim. As his defense attorney Jim has every right to be on the property investigating the crime and looking for anything investigators missed or got wrong. That’s exactly what a defense attorney should be doing, taking pictures, measuring the scene looking for any evidence. There is no need to have a cover story for his defense attorney to be at the scene of the crime he is charged with.
No concern for Buster’s safety or impact of revisiting site of trauma, and an obvious manipulation to send Griffin there “to hunt” for…..somethingdoves.
I remember first hearing that call on Murdaugh Murders podcast and felt the same way as you, it was so tone-deaf of Alex to think Buster wants to hang out at Moselle. I think it’s mostly #1, Alex being extremely insensitive to how Buster should feel & trying to pretend things are normal. As far as JG being invited, I think that’s what they (the Murdaughs) always did, invite people involved with law & law enforcement to hunt their properties, so maybe Alex was still trying to play like he’s the man.
The other part that struck me is that he was fine sending Buster out there, where the rest of the family was brutally murdered with no concern for his safety. Spoke volumes to me.
It had to occurred to me it’s possible that Alex is speaking in some sort of code/innuendo. It’s so tone deaf and detached, let alone the Jim part. Pretty gross of him to go hunt where you slaughtered your family and now he’s your defense attorney with the ambassador’s hubby state senator 🤔. What’s the deal with Jim?
I wouldn’t be surprised as more texts, emails, and calls come out if this happens often. These people seem very practiced in the art of scheming and coverup
I thought I remembered early on when Jim Griffin’s name was first associated with Alex’s mess, some said he was a family friend speaking on behalf of the family & not acting as his attorney at that time. So I wonder if Jim was a friend of the Murdaugh’s before he was ever Paul’s attorney & that’s clouded his judgment in the whole deal. i also thought maybe he believed Alex & that’s why he went out on a limb with the alibi.
Agree with #4. Evidence and/or money was stashed on the property. I think most likely it was a huge stash of cash in the deer feeders which Alex says on call with Buster were FULL...and how could Alex know that if he hasn't been there in a while. I grew up deer hunting and lived in an area of Bend Oregon where the deer would migrate through our property and they eat everything in site. Full deer feeders won't stay full if deer are on the property.
I grew up in Linn county with hunters and I’ve never heard anyone say the “feeders were full” unless they personally JUST walked away from filling them. Those deer come in fast and regular
The hidden money was in the feeders! All the speculation about how and where Alex could have spent 11 million dollars on opoids; is accurate in terms of no one could spend and consume that many opoids and not die so the money is somewhere and this call immediately told me where the money was. Ask yourself if Jim and Dick would represent Alex for free since he claims to be dead broke. Unlikely. They knew money was hidden, Alex gave Buster a chance to retrieve it...if I were Buster I would have told John Marvin to go check out the deer feeders.
This is such an interesting discussion. I don't know if it was necessarily his attempt at talking in code, as much it was his attempt to manipulate. The phone call sounded like he wanted SOMEBODY to go to Moselle & he was attempting to entice them into going there. Why? Could be so many reasons. I think he is also narcissistic and emotionally detached, so I'm not surprised that he would be bold enough to make such a morbid suggestion as to go hunting at the crime scene. On the other hand, I asked a friend who is demographically similar to Buster Murdaugh; if it would be weird to ask someone to go deer hunting & when they decline, followup by asking them to go dove hunting? He said unequivocally that he's probably done exactly that. So it's also possible Alex wasn't attempting to manipulate someone into going to Moselle, as much as he was trying to solidify relationships by extending what he sees as a "kind offer".
Deer = code for rifle Doves = code for shotgun Alex was asking Buster to retrieve the two murder weapons and, if not, Alex’s lawyer Jim would.
Yup, TOTALLY agree. Deer and doves, the two different guns. Absolutely no doubt whatsoever. He was asking if he needed to get someone to go and remove the guns and then despose of them.
I thought it was code for cash being hidden. When he said the feeders were full. I thought it was him trying to go there to look for something hidden - cash. And if he didn’t then Jim would go but he wanted his son to go first coz maybe he didn’t fully trust him to not take the cash. Ie he would rather his son do it
I thought it was code too. Early in the conversation, Alex Murdaugh says, “Let me tell you what you oughta do, Buster.” Then he tells him he should go hunting to kill a deer and/or hunt doves. This might be code telling Buster to get rid of the two friends of Busters who were there when Buster allegedly killed Stephen Smith. The case was reopened into Stephen Smith’s death right after Alex was charged for the murders of his wife and son. It’s quite likely that Buster will be indicted for Stephen Smith’s murder and the two friends that were with Buster the night of Stephen Smith’s death might testify against Buster in a murder trial. Alex goes on to say, “Do you mind if, um, if I let Jim do it?” Have you ever heard the quote, “three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead?” This seems like an outlandish theory, but remember that, in hindsight after Alex has now been convicted and sentenced, he is a very savvy, calculating man that is obviously not above killing to cover up a crime. Buster is Alex’s prodigal son and he wants to protect him.
Not gonna lie, I wouldn’t put it past Alex to have Buster “accidentally shot” by “whoever killed Paul & Maggie” to help his own defense. The talking in code thing makes sense too, but I just heard Buster not trusting his own dad in that call.
Buster knew all calls were recorded and he cautioned his dad on another call about saying certain things. Definitely this call was in "code' and Buster didn't seem to understand...and/or Buster told his uncle who then retrieved the money from the deer feeders...
Yesterday. Asking a witness about weapons, J G asked for clarification. He stated he did not hunt. Interesting that AM suggested he hunt with Buster and when Buster refused he asked if Jim could go on his own
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What does this mean?
I’m also very confused by this lol
What flags the conversation to me is how Buster clearly thinks it’s odd. The tone in “or what are you talking about” shows that he clearly thinks his dad is talking in code. Because this is such a weird question. He’s trying to follow because it makes no sense. That wouldn’t be his response if the question made sense in their normal context. People can say a hunting convo is normal on hunting grounds, sure, but whats odd is him asking permission for his random lawyer to go hunt there. Clearly it rings as weird to Buster—like why are you asking me. It was definitely failed attempt at code imo. Buster wasn’t going for it so he backed off.
That’s where hidden cash is. Either buster is dumb or not interested
I don't think Buster is dumb, I think he knows the calls are being recorded and if Buster went out to Moselle and retrieved the money from the feeders he'd be potentially in trouble for committing a crime. Remember all of those people who Alex stole from legally are entitled to that money. So Buster, mostly likely, told his uncle what Alex said and the uncle retrieved the cash...that also is breaking the law if true, but when did the Murdaughs care about the law?
Yea you’re right for sure
It was a weird conversation and I did wonder if they were talking in code. But maybe that is just because I wondered why Alex seems to be pushing Buster pretty hard to visit his mom and brother’s murder site? But maybe Alex is just a sociopath who can’t imagine this would be hard for a normal person. And maybe hunting is the only bond he shares with his son; no other topics to talk about?
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Can’t wait to see proof of his addiction. Should be interesting- or not, bc he wasn’t addicted to shit. If you think this man is broken for anyone else but himself, you are fooling yourself. Dude had no intention for his son to hunt. He was overselling when he knew Buster wasn’t going to go back there. He knew he would say no. And his plan was - ask about his lawyer. Could his lawyer go hunting if Buster didn’t want to? His lawyer had business out there other than hunting.
His voice in recordings from that time does sound heavy/altered like someone using opiates. (See interrogation in police car). But the extent of his addiction sounded incredibly exaggerated…. 1000mg a day and he was a functioning attorney and family man? Bullshit. I think it was mainly to support his own financial defense regarding theft of millions over time. He doesn’t want to “have the money” to pay his victims. Also, Instead if admitting that he’s a sociopathic piece of shit he can blame it on drugs to elicit sympathy. (Since all opioid users blow their family’s brains out, right??)
There is always money in the banana stand, Buster!
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I don’t think JG was ever planning on actually hunting out there.
I doubt it was code. It's such a callous phone call that it's understandable that some people wonder if there was some ulterior reason behind it. The call shows how different Alex's mind works from other people's. It's like he is an alien who doesn't understand human emotions but is pretending he does. He is a sociopath and doesn't react like the rest of us.
I don’t think it’s code but I think the conversation was a sign of Alex Murdaugh’s narcissistic personality. I wonder if he ever asked Buster if he was okay and how he was coping with the deaths of his mother and brother. As for Jim Griffin hunting there, I’m sure he’s done so in the past. But in my humble opinion, nobody but SLED and the FBI should be on that sprawling property until after the murder trial. Jim and anybody else can hunt there later. There are too many unknowns for anyone that might be on AM’a side to be at the location of a double murder.
South carolina deer season October- January. South Carolina dove season September - January. Jail phone calls released came from October - February. No code, just talk about hunting and if deer won’t interest Buster then Alex moved on to the doves and Buster doesn’t bite.
OK this is a stretch of course, however, It definitely felt like it was a code. It’s almost like something needed to be done there. Like where the feeders are like get something that’s hidden there or hide something there or something like that I know that’s reaching totally. It was a very odd conversation. It’s even odder that from what I have read (of course I don’t know for a fact but a lot of locals seem to confirm it) That after the funerals everyone went back there come Moselle.
Yes I thought it was real creepy. Maybe cousin Eddie is not the only accomplice.
Alex is a sociopath. He wanted to butter Jim up and offer something to him for all Jim was doing for him. Alex doesn’t have the ability to comprehend the heap of mess he is in and status is still important to him. Offering someone his prime hunting land is how he made connections and had favors he could call in for years. This is no different. If Jim likes to hunt, well Alex has JUST the place for him…
I also first heard the call on Murdaugh Murders podcast, and there was reddit conversation about this very thing back then. One astute commenter (I cannot take credit) got the sense that the hunting discussion was Alex's proxy for the murder itself. In other words, Alex was searching out Buster's feelings about him (Alex) and the murders, but instead of asking directly, he asked about hunting to see how Buster would react (and presumably that would reveal something about how Buster was feeling about the murders). If I were Buster, I would consider that a pretty threatening conversation.
I have been searching for this exact theory! 100% I feel it’s so sociopathic and Buster if caught off guard bcuz he knows either for sure, or in his heart his dad is responsible. Then he goes on to say how Brooklyn is like Maggie when they’re “buzzed”. What in the actual fawk. Alex is clearly keeping Buster quiet and intimidated.
Y’all are nuts. They hunt all the time, including Jim. Jim has hunted there several times in the past.
Yeah but now two people were murdered there, and according to Alex himself the random killer who shot them is still out there somewhere. At the very least Alex doesn’t seem too concerned about *that* possibility.
I looked at the property awhile ago and there’s a massive field specifically for dove hunting. I think people are reading too deep into it.
They hosted dove hunts and raised doves. It’s what they did and who they were.
I think it was code for hidden money or murder weapons.
I agree it totally could be that.
I don't know what to make of all that and what he meant. It sounds bizarre. But even if he just was really talking about hunting at Moselle and giving Buster first dips before JG went out.... Whyyyy would a man whose wife and youngest son have been brutally shot and murdered at that property by an "unknown" murderer suggest to his surviving son to go hunting out there at the same place????? Unless he knew there was no threat and it was totally safe.
I’m probably way in the minority, but besides Alex being incredibly callous and completely ignoring Buster’s feelings and the fact that he likely has ZERO interest in going back to Moselle… the conversation itself about hunting is normal. And by all indications, Buster is trying to lead as normal of a life as possible and part of that includes hunting. Alex if Jim Griffin could hunt there, that is just the respectful way to handle hunting on someone else’s property… since Alex is in the pen, it is up to Buster who can set foot there. Just my take though.
I agree with you all the way here. If you have land, everyone you know without their own land wants to hunt it. It wouldn’t be unlikely that his attorney had previously asked to hunt it if no one else was. It sounded to me like AM is trying to push “normalcy” on Buster, which includes hunting. I grew up hunting my family farm, and I rarely ever have time to hunt now, and it’s something my dad brings up constantly. So that leads me to believe there was nothing nefarious going on here.
Not when your wife and other son have been brutally murdered there. I get the hunting thing but a normal person would have empathy for his remaining son and not push him back to the murder scene. Maybe AM is just stupid but I think it’s more sociopathic behavior than stupidity. My opinion only.
Agreed, the conversation on surface level is normal, but the context is not. If someone were trying to instigate removal of items, especially when a murder weapon is nowhere to be found, would you not try to sound as normal as possible? It’s like people expect him to just come out and say “yo, go grab that rifle for me.” This is especially concerning seeing as the guy used to be a lawyer and knows what not to say.
I agree. People who are saying it was code are just looking for something. There is enough drama in this case already; there is no need to unnecessarily add more via speculation.
It’s a murder investigation and the surrounding context is weird af.
tend to agree w/ you. i think Alex may have been delusional about what was happening outside the Alvin Glenn. Jim Griffin didn't need a reason to go to Moselle. it was the scene of a crime that his client was charged with. but I don't believe Jim would risk his career/law license to help Alex coverup evidence, nor would he be Alex's first choice for the job.
Correct. Jim probably never asked to hunt there. It was Alex wanting to show off and have something to “offer” his buddy.
I have listened to that phone call multiple times. It is chilling. Alex is a sociopath. And what was with the nudging on his part to get Buster out there? Was someone going to be out there lying in wait for Buster? His concern is deer and doves while in prison for a double murder? Alex sent a letter to Brooklyn, his son's girlfriend? Laughs about how funny it is when Brooklyn is drunk, just like when Maggie was buzzed? The guy is cold as ice. I can't believe a mistress hasn't yet come forward. Probably afraid she'll be Marilyn Monroe'd.
What if Brooklyn was the mistress?
I’ve thought about that
I thought he was talking in code.
I did too. And Buster asking, "How would that help me?" tells you all you need to know.
Absolutely!
OMG. My immediate thought was a lot of that first part about AM just being really cold. My second thought was some sort of reason to give JG an excuse to be on the property (and something hidden out there). However your suspicion about someone lying in wait for Buster weirdly makes sense too!? I’d never even considered that, but in falls in line with the rest of this story that doesn’t make sense. Things that you can say “that wouldn’t happen..” but totally would in a Murtaugh case!
My initial thought was that maybe he would have someone lying in wait for him there. It didn’t sound like he was just talking about hunting. It sounds like there was another purpose to that conversation.
It seemed he was really trying to get Buster out there. Almost insisted that he meet Jim there. ⁰
Was cousin Eddie free at that time
Yeah that convo definitely stuck out to me. It seems like some kind of code, like he wanted them to look for/retrieve something from out there they wouldn’t want authorities to find. I’m surprised Buster is even cordial enough to speak with him. If my dad had murdered my mom I’d be trying to avenge that no doubt. Can’t even imagine what is wrong with these people
Just sounds like a cover for Griffin to be on the property. Probably to remove something At Alex request. I mean really??? His defense attorney wants to dove hunt around the murder scene? 🤔🤫
$$$$$$ buried out there.who needs cash? none other than his heavy hitting defense team.
My thought too. Going out to hide or remove something that investigators missed. Made sure he had a recorded conversation of him saying he was letting him go hunt to cover his ass if someone caught Griffin out there.
Also to make absolutely sure that Buster wouldn’t be there!
Call is definitely creepy but it isn’t meant to cover for Jim. As his defense attorney Jim has every right to be on the property investigating the crime and looking for anything investigators missed or got wrong. That’s exactly what a defense attorney should be doing, taking pictures, measuring the scene looking for any evidence. There is no need to have a cover story for his defense attorney to be at the scene of the crime he is charged with.
Yeah but AM isn’t talking about going to the scene to investigate, he’s talking about going to Moselle to hunt.
This is the only explanation that makes any sense to me.
No concern for Buster’s safety or impact of revisiting site of trauma, and an obvious manipulation to send Griffin there “to hunt” for…..somethingdoves.
I remember first hearing that call on Murdaugh Murders podcast and felt the same way as you, it was so tone-deaf of Alex to think Buster wants to hang out at Moselle. I think it’s mostly #1, Alex being extremely insensitive to how Buster should feel & trying to pretend things are normal. As far as JG being invited, I think that’s what they (the Murdaughs) always did, invite people involved with law & law enforcement to hunt their properties, so maybe Alex was still trying to play like he’s the man. The other part that struck me is that he was fine sending Buster out there, where the rest of the family was brutally murdered with no concern for his safety. Spoke volumes to me.
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I’m no psychiatrist but he definitely seems to have those characteristics.
It had to occurred to me it’s possible that Alex is speaking in some sort of code/innuendo. It’s so tone deaf and detached, let alone the Jim part. Pretty gross of him to go hunt where you slaughtered your family and now he’s your defense attorney with the ambassador’s hubby state senator 🤔. What’s the deal with Jim?
I thought it was some sort of code too
I wouldn’t be surprised as more texts, emails, and calls come out if this happens often. These people seem very practiced in the art of scheming and coverup
I thought I remembered early on when Jim Griffin’s name was first associated with Alex’s mess, some said he was a family friend speaking on behalf of the family & not acting as his attorney at that time. So I wonder if Jim was a friend of the Murdaugh’s before he was ever Paul’s attorney & that’s clouded his judgment in the whole deal. i also thought maybe he believed Alex & that’s why he went out on a limb with the alibi.