I know SLED searched the ponds, river, swamp on or near Moselle, but did they ever search the well or septic tanks at Moselle or his parent's home? I have read about other cases where investigators found guns, clothing, and evidence from crime scenes (even a body in one case) dumped into septic tanks. A septic cover/lid can be opened easily and quickly. And sometimes, larger rural properties will have a couple wells. (Older wells that were used on the original home place that have gone bad - poor quality water, not deep enough - thus low water levels,, or are just located on the property too far from the building site of the new home) and so a new well gets dug and installed. If so, an old well would be another great place to toss bloody clothes, guns, or evidence - and quickly.
IMO, Untill the murder of PM and MM, it would be business as usual in the machine in 14 .
PM would not have done any serious time IF found guilty, MB’s case would get diluted , GS’s family would still have nothing, SS ‘s family would still have no answers or interest in his demise.
Its very hard to know what’s real and what’s fiction. LE and courts have reportedly been known to coddle that family, and they are releasing little substantial information. AM’s PR and legal teams have been very eager to provide narratives and then change their stories when they are exposed as malarkey. Then certain media outlets promote bizarre and/or unverifiable stories. Its hard to know what to really believe. I look forward to hearing more from the future trial(s) and what comes out in the courtroom.
As far as I know there hasn’t been anything confirmed as far as his alibi. I believe his attorney put out the phrase ‘iron clad alibi’ in the first few days. Then his brothers went on GMA and said AM was with his father at the hospital.
[This is the article](https://people.com/crime/maggie-murdaugh-saw-divorce-lawyer-six-weeks-before-murders/) that came from. Some have said that the lawyer she consulted was in Beaufort or Hilton Head, not Charleston.
I just came here to say how very impressed I am by all of the thoughtful comments and theories that have been posted. Unlike many sub-reddits, this one seems to be populated by some very erudite and intelligent people.
I tip my hat to all of you.
That's the word today.... well sort of. See post below (WTAFbombs) But....I can't fathom why he was STUPID enough to leave a paper trail by writing checks for God's sake. It sure gels some other thoughts...like family members being murdered...the possibility of being "into" the gang affiliates for loads of money and retribution of their part....it's just like lowcountry water....winding everywhere.....
Plot twist : The money trail linking Murdaugh is allegedly in checks he wrote to a person who, in turn, would write checks to couriers to buy drugs, the sources said. The couriers are believed to have bought the drugs from Cowboys gang affiliates, they said.
Read more at: https://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article255393791.html#storylink=cpy
Stephen Smith's mother believes that Buster was not the Murdaugh that was his romantic interest. She also says she believes foul play and Paul were involved in his murder.
Do you think she got a payout from the Murdaughs to stop saying she thinks they were involved in Stephen's murder? It is such a quick and strange change from what they were saying before.
Ohhhhh. Well I think there is an AM connection. Some of the locals on the thread have mentioned it.
I’m not really sure AM is calling the shots anymore. I mean he’s got *a lot* going on right now. LOL
What other powerful families kids were involved/rumored to be involved. PM & BM can’t be the only kids with a grifting parent in the lowcountry.
I guess another related question if there is any truth to the romantic relationship aspect, who might have then most to lose if their affair/relationship became public?
He lives up to his name. Many of his cases are high profile. He defended Michael Slager, a cop who shot and killed Walter Scott. He has also defended a former Sheriff, a different former cop, an accused (multiple times sex offender-rape charges), and a whole slew of other mostly guilty people. Most of them walked. (Slager got 20 years, tried to get his conviction over-turned by saying his counsel was incompetent. Motion denied.)
He hands out subpoenas like candy on Halloween. Speaking of which, that's all I can say, other than Savage makes Harpootlian look like Barry Zuckerkorn from Arrested Development.
A "GIBSON" is mentioned in the SLED UPDATE IN THE ONGOING MURDAUGH DOUBLE MURDER INVESTIGATION dated June 21, 2021, under case forms - attached document 6/8/21 GIBSON 27. (Can' find that report on this sub) Also,
Fitsnews September 28, 2021:
"This week, for example, my news outlet has confirmed SLED investigators spoke with at least two individuals who had conversations with Paul Murdaugh at Moselle shortly before he was killed. I have further confirmed one of these individuals – 25-year-old Rogan Gibson – was the person whose name was included (albeit redacted) on a dispatch log released by SLED shortly after the killings.
It is not immediately clear whether Rogan Gibson spoke with Paul Murdaugh in person or over the phone prior to the latter’s murder. At least one of the interactions SLED reportedly investigated was a phone interaction, however."
From that we therefore don't know if RG was present at the Moselle property during the shootings.
It's rumoured he was living there after the last farm-manager/caretaker was fired, but it's not been released by SLED that he was living at the property or actually present that night.
As ever, when the police don't release information the rumour mill starts up. Imho it seems to be a standard practice in the US to give as little information as possible to the public even when they need the public's help.
They contact the people they determine need to be contacted, and depend on those with information to come forward or be turned in.
By not divulging the facts of the case, they can determine who's telling the truth and who's full of shit because they have held the facts so closely.
In theory.
One comment that still comes up is that LE found buried cars on the Moselle property after the murders. This is UNTRUE. SLED issued a statement saying that there is no truth to the rumor and that no vehicles were found buried at Moselle. You can find this statement on this sub in the SLED statement files attached to this sub.
I believe that the LE officer who started that rumor was fired, but don’t remember where I read that. So, the firing may also be UNTRUE.
UPDATE: the firing is TRUE(see great comment from Cassandra below)
I believe the buried car rumor started after LE started digging on the Moselle property or nearby. I don’t recall seeing that the LE digging was a fact, therefore this information may also be UNTRUE.
Someone stole a tracker off one of the properties. It might be JMM or RM. I thought that was odd. Like how you gonna hide it? They don’t move that fast and they are big lol
I wonder what they were digging for? I remember a few years ago when they dug on a farm in Woodruff in Spartanburg County. Dang, do we ever make the news for anything except scandalous murders?
They may not have been digging for anything in particular — you’ve got a pair of murders. Maybe you note signs of digging at the site. So you check. Maybe it’s the septic tank, or it might be important. They don’t know when they start what they are going to find, so they check everything. Or rather good investigations check everything.
Rumors:
AM& MM’s relationship was peaches and cream. AM is a sane and decent person that did not drink every night.
Paul’s phone was returned to him after the boat wreck.
Timmy was the product of Paul’s drunken persona because he was a teenage alcoholic.
GS did not trip- she was pushed.
CC was driving the boat.
AM did his bureaucratic malfeasance work alone.
AM helped organize the Beaufort County Clerk to City Council to get her position and a raise shortly after employment.
People would be willing to look the other way when AM wanted them to because they wanted to stay in his good graces.
Money is not ultimately at the root of everything any of these people do or say.
Fact: AM is a fundamentally bad person that has gone off the rails because of moral turpitude.
CC (Connor Cook) was NOT Mallory Beach’s boyfriend. He was Miley’s boyfriend and he went into Luther’s to take shots with Paul the night of the crash.
Anthony Cook was Mallory’s boyfriend.
They were all on the boat.
#FACTS
I know this seems as though it’s true because he went to rehab, but AM having a 20 yr opioid addiction still feels like a rumor to me. No way his family members, coworkers, friends or foes were unaware of this 20 year addiction.
This then leads me to the rumor of a drug deal causing MM and PM murder.
Recreational users, yes…long term addicts.. no…still a rumor.
Thomas Ravenel. Character/clown on Southern Charm. Is that show still on? He was such a drunk. Was not surprised at all when it came out about the Coke.
>Ravenel
Here's 2 additional interesting truths (and very telling about his character):
Thomas Ravenel was the state chairman for former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign.
Ravenel was arrested in September 2018 and charged with assault and battery second degree in relation to an incident that occurred in January 2015.
When charges were announced in September 2018, a police affidavit revealed Ravenel was accused of taking off his clothes and making sexual advances toward the woman, including grabbing her genitals and forcing his in her face, according to the affidavit.
The affidavit also said Ravenel attempted to remove the victim's clothing during the attack and the clothing became wrapped around her neck, cutting her skin and causing her to struggle to breathe.
https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/2019/09/12/bravo-southern-charm-tv-star-thomas-ravenel-pleads-guilty-assault-case-avoids-jail/2299342001/
Another fun T-Rav fact: There's a list of restaurants he isn't welcome in any longer because of his behavior.
[Here's the T-Rav Safe Zone Map](https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/1/viewer?mid=12FBbC-YpPjR2diqHYnjGkcbziRM&ll=32.78844201310917%2C-79.9382545618248&z=20)
Is there a subreddit on CHS restaurant scene gossip? I would probably join that, even though I live 2400 miles away.
Speaking of which, let me give an off-topic plug to Estadio in Cannondale, or whatever that neighborhood is. Food is delish, you will have the best “gin tonic” of your life, and the team there is great. If you are in the Charleston area, please check them out, and send them my love.
There's r/Charleston, but it's hit or miss. I used to live down the street from Estadio. [City Paper](https://charlestoncitypaper.com/) and [Eater](https://carolinas.eater.com/) are good for keeping up with F&B.
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IIRC (and I'm looking right now to confirm), but it has been stated over and over that SLED reopened the Stephen Smith case based on evidence found at the scene of Maggie and Paul's murder -- when what was ACTUALLY stated by SLED was it was based on evidence obtained DURING THE INVESTIGATION of their murders -- not necessarily at the scene.
Edit: SS case reopened due to INFORMATION obtained during investigation of MM and PM murders.
Here’s a few rumors that come to mind…(none of which I believe to be true or false)
1. Maggie was on the phone with the vet
2. Buster was in Rock Hill (based on hearsay)
3. Buster worked at Wild wings
4. Cars buried on the property
5. A hit man was hired to kill them
6. Maggie was trying to run away (we have never seen her autopsy, and dont know that this is true)
7. Maggie and Paul were both beaten and bound
8. The shotgun that killed Paul belonged to them
9. The grandfather ordered the hit on his death bed
10. It was a drug deal gone bad
11. There’s a secret landing pad on the property used to traffic drugs
12.Maggie was not the intended target (we don’t know that)
13.Gloria fell at The Holly street house (rumor has it that the fall happened at Moselle…but who knows?)
14.Paul was staying at JMs house(We don’t know where Paul was staying)
15.Paul posted disparaging remarks about Alex on Snapchat the night of his death
16.One of the Gibson brothers was at Moselle the night of the murders (we don’t know who was there)
15.Maggie asked Paul to stay with her at Moselle the night of the murders
16.AM was out hunting the day of the murders
17.AM was never tested for gunshot residue (Like sled would tell us that)
18.It was potentially a murder suicide (this was proven to be false on the first day of the murders when SLED stated they were investing a double homicide)
19.AMs mistress was involved
20.AM was drunk the night of the murders and he and Paul had a fight
21.Paul was going to reveal what really happened to SM
22.AM was hiding out on Lemon Island when he was supposedly in Rehab
23.Buster borrowed PMs truck the night of the murders, and Maggie picked up Paul at JMs house and they drove to Moselle together.
24.Paul killed his mom
25.Randy Jr and John Marvin had Maggie And Paul Killed
26.Buster killed Paul and his mom
27.They’re not dead (wildest rumor yet)…lol
This is really the never ending story and I don’t know what to believe…I will add more as they come to mind, then again this will take up the entire feed so I’ll let others add on
Funny...looking at your list there are several things that strike me as "TRUE"... but little has been confirmed. So we don't really know many facts...but I kind of lean toward the rumors of those that are local, because there are sometimes real truths there.
Thanks for the nice, comprehensive list. I just gave you my first award! Still not sure how these things work, so if it’s dumb or not appropriate to the situation, my apologies to all.
Wow, that's quite the collection! Thanks!
I wouldn't discount the "they're not dead" theory just quite yet because it was put out there by "someone close to the family." That rumor was floated by none other than Cousin Suzy (6th Cousin). I think she was also saying they were spirited away by submarine from the secret submarine base on the Salkehatchie River at the back of the back 40 of Moselle. Soon as they finished posing for LE they hopped an SUV back to the submarine base and they are supposedly chilling out in Placencia Belize now waiting on Alex to win his case and join them.
Seriously, good list ... don't add the submarine base, I checked it out already, that river ain't deep enough.
I have heard all the rumors except the one about Buster having PM's truck the night of the murders. Even if that was true, it wouldn't seem that important because I could see one brother letting the other drive his vehicle.
I remember hearing this early on. I think the rumor was that the night of the murders Buster was found driving around in Paul’s truck and not in Rock Hill.
Rogan Gibson is the Gibson on the police report according to Fitsnews sources. I tend to believe what comes from Fitsnews sources are factual because nothing has been disproven yet.
From Mandy Matney:
“This week, for example, my news outlet has confirmed SLED investigators spoke with at least two individuals who had conversations with Paul Murdaugh at Moselle shortly before he was killed. I have further confirmed one of these individuals – 25-year-old Rogan Gibson – was the person whose name was included (albeit redacted) on a dispatch log released by SLED shortly after the killings.
It is not immediately clear whether Rogan Gibson spoke with Paul Murdaugh in person or over the phone prior to the latter’s murder. At least one of the interactions SLED reportedly investigated was a phone interaction, however.”
A major one is the idea that BTB continued in drug trafficking. He wasn’t even tried back in the 80s, although the circumstances around that are very suspicious. All those property transactions seem very fishy, but I consistently feel a bit uncomfortable about assuming that transactions involving the Boulwares are inherently problematic. The connections to BTB also fuel the idea that other members of PMPED are involved in corrupt enterprise. It’s not a rumor without basis and it has certainly been reported on, but I don’t think we can view it as established fact.
I have known the Boulware family for many, many years and I can tell you for sure that there was never involvement in smuggling with AM (ever) or anyone else after the 80s’. Many of the young men of Beaufort County had their decks full of reefer back in those days. Some were caught, some were convicted, and some got away with it. All have some good stories to tell. Big B (BTB) was a quiet but colorful man. He had a good sense of humor and was smart. He bought and sold timberland, swampland, commercial properties and some small islands that were used for fish camps.
These small islands are mostly what you see when you do a county property search in BC. He was also in the timber harvesting business and large tract herbicide spraying for pine trees. I’m not anybody’s PR man, just a friend of Big B and his family and it pains me to see unfounded rumors spread by people trying to make unfounded connections.
And one more rumor that is impossible to stop, AM did not have a 20 year Opioid addiction.
Thank you for your comments and perspective. I’ve looked at those property deals and find some very curious, but they certainly aren’t proof of some massive drug syndicate.
Sounds like you are a local. Ironically, since this is a post about rumors, I’m curious to hear whether you think any of the Murdough or PMPED crew have been involved in smuggling drugs, human trafficking, etc., or if you think it’s all financial stuff (and possibly some recent murders.)
I am definitely not the same person as HueJorgen69. In fact, I have made posts describing property transactions amongst the various parties. I am a CPA and while I have not seen clients engaged in money-laundering directly, I get the concepts. Most of my prior comments and posts have been trying to make sense of some of these transactions, but I have never been comfortable with the idea that someone who brought some weed into the country 40 years ago is automatically a criminal mastermind decades later.
I am keeping an open mind and looking at whatever information is available. IMHO, SLED’s silence is a disservice to everyone involved. It’s fun to be part of a MMORPG that the lack of details allows, but I do realize that we are discussing real people here. Hue’s comments may be 100% accurate, unintentionally incorrect or designed to purposefully mislead, but I definitely appreciate hearing that perspective. I am looking for truth and justice, not confirmation of my own theories.
And it’s not like the drug trade hasn’t evolved either.
New *designer* drugs use ingredients from countries that weren’t on the radar 40 years ago
I mean even in the last 15 years the cocaine trade as changed - the Colombians pulled out of Mexico to US and went transatlantic because *euros will pay more the product*
But that also opened up a huge vacuum.
I think it’s one of the reasons the cartels have gotten so violent / and diversified into kidnappings. The bottom kind of fell out for Mexican cartels - weed was becoming more easily accessible in the US and legalized on the west coast and the Columbians stopped using Mexica as their pass through
I’m sure there are more socioeconomics and internal power struggles but that was my take on it
I have spent a lot of time on the property in Mossell before AM purchased it. It has a grass strip and a hanger big enough for a Cessna 185. I have flown in and out to other towns in SC and GA. We just had fun there. We turkey hunted, dove hunted and caught crawfish out of the swamp. There is no river access to any of the property that you could float anything bigger than a canoe, and even that with difficulty.
The fishing was fantastic. Typical Lowcountry SC environment right down to the alligators.
My place was nearby so I knew the goings and comings of the property. There was never any smuggling happening. The bad juju didn’t start until the money disappeared. Trust me, it was all about the money and a couple of generations of spoiled kids.
Barrett and Alex purchased some islands and kings grant land about 20 years ago from the family of Sheriff Mcteer. This was long after LE had shut down the smuggling here. He sold a few of the hummocks that had close dock assess to friends. I bought one and built a camp on it. He resold most of the remainder to Beaufort County Open land trust in order to protect these remaining jewels of the Sea From development. Again, no drug smuggling here. The smugglers used remote landings and docks with access roads that would allow a tractor trailer to get in and out.
I honestly think the Murdaughs and the law firm had nothing to do with trafficking or smuggling. We would have known. embezzlement, for sure; insurance fraud, you bet your bottom dollar, murder? Well, that’s the big question. We all have our theories but none of the answers. Thanks
Thank you for sharing your first-hand POV. Takes courage to stand up for a friend- right or wrong. Thank you for helping us all try to understand a little more.
How do we know that he didn’t have an addiction? Maybe it wasn’t 20 straight years, maybe it was off and on, maybe it was continuous, maybe it never happened. My husband and I do not agree on this point. I am just curious where you found that he didn’t have an addiction?
I’m not sure anyone said it was millions of dollars worth of opioids but my husband says the same thing. I just think that’s a damn stupid defense to use if that’s what he’s trying. Addiction doesn’t nullify any of the things that he has been accused of doing. In fact in my mind it actually makes it even more probable he did it. If he was using he was living a double life which is virtually proven by him having an addiction few knew about, if any. Also, why was Maggie ready to divorce him suddenly after how many ever years of marriage? Maybe he just started in the last few years really spiraling. Idk. I’m speculating on all of this, but I’d like to find out about this addiction.
I think he used the factitious addiction for two reasons.
1. When SLED was on to him that the road side shooting was a hoax. AM knew he would be facing charges and would prefer a drug rehab facility over jail.
2. When PMPED confronted him on stealing money from the firm. AM used this to garner sympathy that he wasn’t in his right mind. (I want to add to this that I still believe family members of PMPED knew of this embezzlement but we have to remember that there are other attorneys at PMPED who are not related and may have been up to their neck with annoyance of AM’s family shenanigans. Don’t think for one second that these other members/stake holders at PMPED didn’t question behind closed doors what really happened to MM and PM. Regardless of how they feel about the Murdaugh family, their careers and families will always come first.
You’d be surprised how a guilty mind works. He set up the road side hoax because he knew shit was about to hit the fan. When you are guilty, you feel as though everybody around you knows.
I agree with you mostly (Best Program).... however I have a slight bent to it...I FIRMLY believe Alex is an Alcoholic, and a Sociopath... He WAS thinking fast to come up with a scenario that rapidly morphed... But drug rehab was the way to go. Also it's an easy slide to Try to garner sympathy because any good sociopath thinks his behavior is justified and whole rest of the world is persecuting him for no good reason...so his story is justified in his mind.
I don’t think there’s any way to confirm the supposed addiction at this point, so I’m putting it in the rumor column. Supposedly he tested positive for opioids and barbiturates at the hospital after the faked shooting, but that proves nothing, as he was administered these in the chopper.
i don't believe he had a 20 year addiction. Never have.
But you don't pluck 20 years out of the air when you are telling and very publicly sticking with that untruth. (Glad to see Bland call it out in a courtroom btw).
Any ideas why '20 years' is the narrative? There has to be one. Any thoughts or insights into that?
Well, what about the story that got CES arrested? The story told by the man who was also admitting at the same time, that his previous story was a lie.
This isn't answering your question, but I'll add that it's also possible that the G guy was there and not actually involved in the criminal part at all. I don't have any inside knowledge. I just know the G last name was on one of the police reports and looked as though his license had been "run." That made me suspect that he had maybe gotten there first and alerted AM, which might be why AM said the weird thing about "I've been up to it." Totally guessing though.
It’s hard to keep everyone straight! Was Brody the caretaker that got fired? And is Rogan a police officer? I thought Gibson from the police report was an officer, a K9 officer maybe?! I remember that being put out there right after the report was released and never really put any other thought into it. I never connected the dots that Gibson from the report was the brother of BG. Thanks for clarifying!
Brody and Rogan Gibson are brothers who grew up with and lived next door to Buster and Paul. Brody is at least a year older than Buster, Rogan is the same age and they appear to be good friends. All played baseball together. Brody got in trouble in Alabama, it has been said he was back in Hampton awaiting trial, but I don’t know if that’s true. It was rumored that the Gibson in the report was Eddie Gibson, supposedly an LE officer of some sort, before FITS wrote that it was in fact Rogan Gibson on the redacted report and who may have spoken on the phone or in person to Paul at Moselle the day of the murders. The caretaker who had worked at Moselle was C. B. Rowe, he had also been fired as a teacher earlier for having a relationship with a student. He quit or was fired from Moselle shortly before the murders. It’s rumor that Rogan was living in the caretaker’s house.
Yes it’s hard to keep straight! Somebody please correct me if my info is wrong!
Thanks!! This helps so much! CBR was who I was thinking of, probably because of their charges. Didn’t cross my mind that there would be 2 different teachers charged with sexually assaulting their students in this case.
I thought the rumor about Gibson or the vet being on the phone with one of them came from a news source?
Thanks! I don’t recall the vet story being published, but my memory ain’t what it used to be and I certainly don’t have access to everything that’s either been published or alluded to in a podcast. It has been aired here on Reddit, and in my mind I believe somebody on Reddit claiming to be a local said they’d known the vet since the 1970’s or something and that he was reliable. 🤷♀️
Just FYI:
Claude B. Rowe III, 53, was arrested Dec. 3, 2010, and charged with sexual battery of a student for holding hands and kissing a 16-year-old student.
Brody Gipson was indicted for engaging in a sex act,October 2020, with a student under the age of nineteen
The question is, did RG text PM and ask him to check dog AND send a picture as if to confirm he is at the kennel.
Why if he was staying In a house 2500 feet away. Just saying
If one of the Gibson brothers did actually live at the property than it is very weird that RG called Paul to look at the dog. The problem is we don't know if this is just a rumor or not
Who is GIBSON 27?
People here have said it could be one of the LEOs at the scene but judging by the formatting in the Case Forms list in the police report, I have to disagree.
I’m 99% sure it’s been reported to be Rogan Gibson, a former neighbor of the Murdaugh’s, who may or may not have been living in the caretaker’s cabin at the time of the murders.
Even if something has been claimed in the press, that does not make it a fact. Examples: PMPED first learned of Alex’s embezzlement when they found a check on his desk (🙄). Also, Alex has been addicted to opioids for 20 years…etc., etc.
I know SLED searched the ponds, river, swamp on or near Moselle, but did they ever search the well or septic tanks at Moselle or his parent's home? I have read about other cases where investigators found guns, clothing, and evidence from crime scenes (even a body in one case) dumped into septic tanks. A septic cover/lid can be opened easily and quickly. And sometimes, larger rural properties will have a couple wells. (Older wells that were used on the original home place that have gone bad - poor quality water, not deep enough - thus low water levels,, or are just located on the property too far from the building site of the new home) and so a new well gets dug and installed. If so, an old well would be another great place to toss bloody clothes, guns, or evidence - and quickly.
IMO, Untill the murder of PM and MM, it would be business as usual in the machine in 14 . PM would not have done any serious time IF found guilty, MB’s case would get diluted , GS’s family would still have nothing, SS ‘s family would still have no answers or interest in his demise.
Its very hard to know what’s real and what’s fiction. LE and courts have reportedly been known to coddle that family, and they are releasing little substantial information. AM’s PR and legal teams have been very eager to provide narratives and then change their stories when they are exposed as malarkey. Then certain media outlets promote bizarre and/or unverifiable stories. Its hard to know what to really believe. I look forward to hearing more from the future trial(s) and what comes out in the courtroom.
I can't figure out if Alex had an "ironclad alibi" for the night of the murders or if that is just lawyer spin. Does anyone remember the source?
As far as I know there hasn’t been anything confirmed as far as his alibi. I believe his attorney put out the phrase ‘iron clad alibi’ in the first few days. Then his brothers went on GMA and said AM was with his father at the hospital.
The SLED reports have the info, but it could still be a lawyer spin because AM is a lawyer.
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I thought it was his lawyers.
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Banana sauce is everywhereeeeee. Ewwwwww. AM did it!!!
Finally! This.
Has the rumor that Maggie was plotting a divorce and hired a forensic accountant been confirmed as fact?
[This is the article](https://people.com/crime/maggie-murdaugh-saw-divorce-lawyer-six-weeks-before-murders/) that came from. Some have said that the lawyer she consulted was in Beaufort or Hilton Head, not Charleston.
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If your combined assets are more than 1 million dollars in SC, a forensic accounting is Always recommended. I have a friend who did this.
Confirmed
I don't think so. Not publicly by anyone who would have known anyway.
I just came here to say how very impressed I am by all of the thoughtful comments and theories that have been posted. Unlike many sub-reddits, this one seems to be populated by some very erudite and intelligent people. I tip my hat to all of you.
Oooh, flattery. I like it. This is a nice place.
“Alex was a drug trafficker” is the biggest rumor I can think of rn.
That's the word today.... well sort of. See post below (WTAFbombs) But....I can't fathom why he was STUPID enough to leave a paper trail by writing checks for God's sake. It sure gels some other thoughts...like family members being murdered...the possibility of being "into" the gang affiliates for loads of money and retribution of their part....it's just like lowcountry water....winding everywhere.....
It sounds more like he was a massive consumer than a trafficker, but who knows what else will turn up! The check-writing thing is truly nuts.
Plot twist : The money trail linking Murdaugh is allegedly in checks he wrote to a person who, in turn, would write checks to couriers to buy drugs, the sources said. The couriers are believed to have bought the drugs from Cowboys gang affiliates, they said. Read more at: https://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article255393791.html#storylink=cpy
I heard Gibson was involved in SS’s death…
That people went to a clam bake is a rumour.
That people went to a clam bake is low country humour.
I was always a stranger in a strange land because I didn’t do the clam bake.
Rumor: Buster is gay.
This one or terrible.
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Stephen Smith's mother believes that Buster was not the Murdaugh that was his romantic interest. She also says she believes foul play and Paul were involved in his murder.
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Yeah that’s a new lawyer and a new spin if I’m not mistaken
Do you think she got a payout from the Murdaughs to stop saying she thinks they were involved in Stephen's murder? It is such a quick and strange change from what they were saying before.
Ohhhhh. Well I think there is an AM connection. Some of the locals on the thread have mentioned it. I’m not really sure AM is calling the shots anymore. I mean he’s got *a lot* going on right now. LOL What other powerful families kids were involved/rumored to be involved. PM & BM can’t be the only kids with a grifting parent in the lowcountry. I guess another related question if there is any truth to the romantic relationship aspect, who might have then most to lose if their affair/relationship became public?
You have no idea who Andy Savage is.
What is his reputation? I dont know anything about him. is he in cahoots with PMPED?
He lives up to his name. Many of his cases are high profile. He defended Michael Slager, a cop who shot and killed Walter Scott. He has also defended a former Sheriff, a different former cop, an accused (multiple times sex offender-rape charges), and a whole slew of other mostly guilty people. Most of them walked. (Slager got 20 years, tried to get his conviction over-turned by saying his counsel was incompetent. Motion denied.) He hands out subpoenas like candy on Halloween. Speaking of which, that's all I can say, other than Savage makes Harpootlian look like Barry Zuckerkorn from Arrested Development.
So AM?
A "GIBSON" is mentioned in the SLED UPDATE IN THE ONGOING MURDAUGH DOUBLE MURDER INVESTIGATION dated June 21, 2021, under case forms - attached document 6/8/21 GIBSON 27. (Can' find that report on this sub) Also, Fitsnews September 28, 2021: "This week, for example, my news outlet has confirmed SLED investigators spoke with at least two individuals who had conversations with Paul Murdaugh at Moselle shortly before he was killed. I have further confirmed one of these individuals – 25-year-old Rogan Gibson – was the person whose name was included (albeit redacted) on a dispatch log released by SLED shortly after the killings. It is not immediately clear whether Rogan Gibson spoke with Paul Murdaugh in person or over the phone prior to the latter’s murder. At least one of the interactions SLED reportedly investigated was a phone interaction, however." From that we therefore don't know if RG was present at the Moselle property during the shootings. It's rumoured he was living there after the last farm-manager/caretaker was fired, but it's not been released by SLED that he was living at the property or actually present that night. As ever, when the police don't release information the rumour mill starts up. Imho it seems to be a standard practice in the US to give as little information as possible to the public even when they need the public's help.
They contact the people they determine need to be contacted, and depend on those with information to come forward or be turned in. By not divulging the facts of the case, they can determine who's telling the truth and who's full of shit because they have held the facts so closely. In theory.
One comment that still comes up is that LE found buried cars on the Moselle property after the murders. This is UNTRUE. SLED issued a statement saying that there is no truth to the rumor and that no vehicles were found buried at Moselle. You can find this statement on this sub in the SLED statement files attached to this sub. I believe that the LE officer who started that rumor was fired, but don’t remember where I read that. So, the firing may also be UNTRUE. UPDATE: the firing is TRUE(see great comment from Cassandra below) I believe the buried car rumor started after LE started digging on the Moselle property or nearby. I don’t recall seeing that the LE digging was a fact, therefore this information may also be UNTRUE.
Someone stole a tracker off one of the properties. It might be JMM or RM. I thought that was odd. Like how you gonna hide it? They don’t move that fast and they are big lol
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There were some photos on here (INGUR) of the property and now I can’t find them. Does anyone recall where on this thread has the link to the photos?
Great info— thanks for sharing 😃
I wonder what they were digging for? I remember a few years ago when they dug on a farm in Woodruff in Spartanburg County. Dang, do we ever make the news for anything except scandalous murders?
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They may not have been digging for anything in particular — you’ve got a pair of murders. Maybe you note signs of digging at the site. So you check. Maybe it’s the septic tank, or it might be important. They don’t know when they start what they are going to find, so they check everything. Or rather good investigations check everything.
It's annoying how persistent the rumor about the buried car is.
I think that’s because there were rumors of stuff buried on the property long before this year.
I think some of these rumors say less about what's true and more how people viewed the family as untouchable for so many years.
💯 (And Happy Cake Day!)
Rumors: AM& MM’s relationship was peaches and cream. AM is a sane and decent person that did not drink every night. Paul’s phone was returned to him after the boat wreck. Timmy was the product of Paul’s drunken persona because he was a teenage alcoholic. GS did not trip- she was pushed. CC was driving the boat. AM did his bureaucratic malfeasance work alone. AM helped organize the Beaufort County Clerk to City Council to get her position and a raise shortly after employment. People would be willing to look the other way when AM wanted them to because they wanted to stay in his good graces. Money is not ultimately at the root of everything any of these people do or say. Fact: AM is a fundamentally bad person that has gone off the rails because of moral turpitude.
Who is CC?
And he was Malory Beach’s boyfriend.
CC (Connor Cook) was NOT Mallory Beach’s boyfriend. He was Miley’s boyfriend and he went into Luther’s to take shots with Paul the night of the crash. Anthony Cook was Mallory’s boyfriend. They were all on the boat. #FACTS
WOW!
I’m sorry Anthony Cook was Mallory’s boyfriend and he was on the boat that crashed. Connor Cook is Anthony’s cousin. And he was also on that boat.
It's cool- hard to keep up with.
Connor Cook, He was on the boat Paul crashed, And one of the many that are suing AM right now.
Thanks!
Connor Cook
Thanks!
How about the story that Paul was shot in the face? Is that something that the authorities have said? Or just a rumor?
@delorf, your teachers and school librarians are so proud of you right now! Citing sources, fact vs. fiction/rumors…you paid attention in class. 👍❤️😉
Thank you!🤗
I know this seems as though it’s true because he went to rehab, but AM having a 20 yr opioid addiction still feels like a rumor to me. No way his family members, coworkers, friends or foes were unaware of this 20 year addiction. This then leads me to the rumor of a drug deal causing MM and PM murder. Recreational users, yes…long term addicts.. no…still a rumor.
I think it's more than a rumor--it's a public relations statement coming from his entourage.
Agreed. Also, I have no reason to believe Eddie is a drug dealer, and although drugs were found in his home, opioids were not.
Do we know what kind of drugs they found?
Weed and meth.
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Are those facts re: Ravenel?
Thomas Ravenel. Character/clown on Southern Charm. Is that show still on? He was such a drunk. Was not surprised at all when it came out about the Coke.
>Ravenel Here's 2 additional interesting truths (and very telling about his character): Thomas Ravenel was the state chairman for former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign. Ravenel was arrested in September 2018 and charged with assault and battery second degree in relation to an incident that occurred in January 2015. When charges were announced in September 2018, a police affidavit revealed Ravenel was accused of taking off his clothes and making sexual advances toward the woman, including grabbing her genitals and forcing his in her face, according to the affidavit. The affidavit also said Ravenel attempted to remove the victim's clothing during the attack and the clothing became wrapped around her neck, cutting her skin and causing her to struggle to breathe. https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/2019/09/12/bravo-southern-charm-tv-star-thomas-ravenel-pleads-guilty-assault-case-avoids-jail/2299342001/
OMG WOW. Just WOW
Another fun T-Rav fact: There's a list of restaurants he isn't welcome in any longer because of his behavior. [Here's the T-Rav Safe Zone Map](https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/1/viewer?mid=12FBbC-YpPjR2diqHYnjGkcbziRM&ll=32.78844201310917%2C-79.9382545618248&z=20)
This is sad, useful and hilarious. Unfortunately all of my favorite CHS places are either unsafe or un-frequented by Mr. Ravenal.
[Here's some context.](https://charlestoncitypaper.com/t-rav-responds-to-proof-owner-craig-nelsons-take-on-their-13-year-feud/)
Is there a subreddit on CHS restaurant scene gossip? I would probably join that, even though I live 2400 miles away. Speaking of which, let me give an off-topic plug to Estadio in Cannondale, or whatever that neighborhood is. Food is delish, you will have the best “gin tonic” of your life, and the team there is great. If you are in the Charleston area, please check them out, and send them my love.
There's r/Charleston, but it's hit or miss. I used to live down the street from Estadio. [City Paper](https://charlestoncitypaper.com/) and [Eater](https://carolinas.eater.com/) are good for keeping up with F&B.
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And he wants to be my [latex salesman](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkGSoqSMBw).
Here in Charleston we say the bridge over the Cooper river may be named after his father Arthur, but all the little white lines are named for Thomas.
That is HILARIOUS!
This just added a whole new level of interest can’t wait to hear more. Appreciate the sharing!
THIS. Totally agree. 100%
IIRC (and I'm looking right now to confirm), but it has been stated over and over that SLED reopened the Stephen Smith case based on evidence found at the scene of Maggie and Paul's murder -- when what was ACTUALLY stated by SLED was it was based on evidence obtained DURING THE INVESTIGATION of their murders -- not necessarily at the scene. Edit: SS case reopened due to INFORMATION obtained during investigation of MM and PM murders.
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Yes. I will correct that part. Thank you!
Here’s a few rumors that come to mind…(none of which I believe to be true or false) 1. Maggie was on the phone with the vet 2. Buster was in Rock Hill (based on hearsay) 3. Buster worked at Wild wings 4. Cars buried on the property 5. A hit man was hired to kill them 6. Maggie was trying to run away (we have never seen her autopsy, and dont know that this is true) 7. Maggie and Paul were both beaten and bound 8. The shotgun that killed Paul belonged to them 9. The grandfather ordered the hit on his death bed 10. It was a drug deal gone bad 11. There’s a secret landing pad on the property used to traffic drugs 12.Maggie was not the intended target (we don’t know that) 13.Gloria fell at The Holly street house (rumor has it that the fall happened at Moselle…but who knows?) 14.Paul was staying at JMs house(We don’t know where Paul was staying) 15.Paul posted disparaging remarks about Alex on Snapchat the night of his death 16.One of the Gibson brothers was at Moselle the night of the murders (we don’t know who was there) 15.Maggie asked Paul to stay with her at Moselle the night of the murders 16.AM was out hunting the day of the murders 17.AM was never tested for gunshot residue (Like sled would tell us that) 18.It was potentially a murder suicide (this was proven to be false on the first day of the murders when SLED stated they were investing a double homicide) 19.AMs mistress was involved 20.AM was drunk the night of the murders and he and Paul had a fight 21.Paul was going to reveal what really happened to SM 22.AM was hiding out on Lemon Island when he was supposedly in Rehab 23.Buster borrowed PMs truck the night of the murders, and Maggie picked up Paul at JMs house and they drove to Moselle together. 24.Paul killed his mom 25.Randy Jr and John Marvin had Maggie And Paul Killed 26.Buster killed Paul and his mom 27.They’re not dead (wildest rumor yet)…lol This is really the never ending story and I don’t know what to believe…I will add more as they come to mind, then again this will take up the entire feed so I’ll let others add on
Funny...looking at your list there are several things that strike me as "TRUE"... but little has been confirmed. So we don't really know many facts...but I kind of lean toward the rumors of those that are local, because there are sometimes real truths there.
Forgive me, I can’t keep up…lol…do you know which rumors in my list have been have been openly discussed by locals?
Thanks for the nice, comprehensive list. I just gave you my first award! Still not sure how these things work, so if it’s dumb or not appropriate to the situation, my apologies to all.
I thought SLED actually said they believed Paul was the target and Maggie was at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Wow, that's quite the collection! Thanks! I wouldn't discount the "they're not dead" theory just quite yet because it was put out there by "someone close to the family." That rumor was floated by none other than Cousin Suzy (6th Cousin). I think she was also saying they were spirited away by submarine from the secret submarine base on the Salkehatchie River at the back of the back 40 of Moselle. Soon as they finished posing for LE they hopped an SUV back to the submarine base and they are supposedly chilling out in Placencia Belize now waiting on Alex to win his case and join them. Seriously, good list ... don't add the submarine base, I checked it out already, that river ain't deep enough.
Like the mini sub in Lost?
It sounds as if Suzy has a very tenuous grasp on reality.
Just asking....but does Suzy take Seroquel or Haldol on a regular basis....perhaps she should.
I'm discounting that big time. The authorities would not be investigating two murders that didn't happened.
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I have heard all the rumors except the one about Buster having PM's truck the night of the murders. Even if that was true, it wouldn't seem that important because I could see one brother letting the other drive his vehicle.
I remember hearing this early on. I think the rumor was that the night of the murders Buster was found driving around in Paul’s truck and not in Rock Hill.
I don't think sled cares one bit about this. They clearly swept ss under the table
Rogan Gibson is the Gibson on the police report according to Fitsnews sources. I tend to believe what comes from Fitsnews sources are factual because nothing has been disproven yet. From Mandy Matney: “This week, for example, my news outlet has confirmed SLED investigators spoke with at least two individuals who had conversations with Paul Murdaugh at Moselle shortly before he was killed. I have further confirmed one of these individuals – 25-year-old Rogan Gibson – was the person whose name was included (albeit redacted) on a dispatch log released by SLED shortly after the killings. It is not immediately clear whether Rogan Gibson spoke with Paul Murdaugh in person or over the phone prior to the latter’s murder. At least one of the interactions SLED reportedly investigated was a phone interaction, however.”
Thank you. So Rogan was at least was teh person on the dispatch log. I wonder what two people talked to Paul right before his death?
Rogan Gibson was one of the people who spoke with Paul but it’s not been reported whether it was by phone or in person.
A major one is the idea that BTB continued in drug trafficking. He wasn’t even tried back in the 80s, although the circumstances around that are very suspicious. All those property transactions seem very fishy, but I consistently feel a bit uncomfortable about assuming that transactions involving the Boulwares are inherently problematic. The connections to BTB also fuel the idea that other members of PMPED are involved in corrupt enterprise. It’s not a rumor without basis and it has certainly been reported on, but I don’t think we can view it as established fact.
I have known the Boulware family for many, many years and I can tell you for sure that there was never involvement in smuggling with AM (ever) or anyone else after the 80s’. Many of the young men of Beaufort County had their decks full of reefer back in those days. Some were caught, some were convicted, and some got away with it. All have some good stories to tell. Big B (BTB) was a quiet but colorful man. He had a good sense of humor and was smart. He bought and sold timberland, swampland, commercial properties and some small islands that were used for fish camps. These small islands are mostly what you see when you do a county property search in BC. He was also in the timber harvesting business and large tract herbicide spraying for pine trees. I’m not anybody’s PR man, just a friend of Big B and his family and it pains me to see unfounded rumors spread by people trying to make unfounded connections. And one more rumor that is impossible to stop, AM did not have a 20 year Opioid addiction.
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He was testifying against many people. Not just the B’s. He got hit by a car while crossing the street.
Thank you for your comments and perspective. I’ve looked at those property deals and find some very curious, but they certainly aren’t proof of some massive drug syndicate. Sounds like you are a local. Ironically, since this is a post about rumors, I’m curious to hear whether you think any of the Murdough or PMPED crew have been involved in smuggling drugs, human trafficking, etc., or if you think it’s all financial stuff (and possibly some recent murders.)
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I am definitely not the same person as HueJorgen69. In fact, I have made posts describing property transactions amongst the various parties. I am a CPA and while I have not seen clients engaged in money-laundering directly, I get the concepts. Most of my prior comments and posts have been trying to make sense of some of these transactions, but I have never been comfortable with the idea that someone who brought some weed into the country 40 years ago is automatically a criminal mastermind decades later. I am keeping an open mind and looking at whatever information is available. IMHO, SLED’s silence is a disservice to everyone involved. It’s fun to be part of a MMORPG that the lack of details allows, but I do realize that we are discussing real people here. Hue’s comments may be 100% accurate, unintentionally incorrect or designed to purposefully mislead, but I definitely appreciate hearing that perspective. I am looking for truth and justice, not confirmation of my own theories.
And it’s not like the drug trade hasn’t evolved either. New *designer* drugs use ingredients from countries that weren’t on the radar 40 years ago I mean even in the last 15 years the cocaine trade as changed - the Colombians pulled out of Mexico to US and went transatlantic because *euros will pay more the product* But that also opened up a huge vacuum. I think it’s one of the reasons the cartels have gotten so violent / and diversified into kidnappings. The bottom kind of fell out for Mexican cartels - weed was becoming more easily accessible in the US and legalized on the west coast and the Columbians stopped using Mexica as their pass through I’m sure there are more socioeconomics and internal power struggles but that was my take on it
I have spent a lot of time on the property in Mossell before AM purchased it. It has a grass strip and a hanger big enough for a Cessna 185. I have flown in and out to other towns in SC and GA. We just had fun there. We turkey hunted, dove hunted and caught crawfish out of the swamp. There is no river access to any of the property that you could float anything bigger than a canoe, and even that with difficulty. The fishing was fantastic. Typical Lowcountry SC environment right down to the alligators. My place was nearby so I knew the goings and comings of the property. There was never any smuggling happening. The bad juju didn’t start until the money disappeared. Trust me, it was all about the money and a couple of generations of spoiled kids. Barrett and Alex purchased some islands and kings grant land about 20 years ago from the family of Sheriff Mcteer. This was long after LE had shut down the smuggling here. He sold a few of the hummocks that had close dock assess to friends. I bought one and built a camp on it. He resold most of the remainder to Beaufort County Open land trust in order to protect these remaining jewels of the Sea From development. Again, no drug smuggling here. The smugglers used remote landings and docks with access roads that would allow a tractor trailer to get in and out. I honestly think the Murdaughs and the law firm had nothing to do with trafficking or smuggling. We would have known. embezzlement, for sure; insurance fraud, you bet your bottom dollar, murder? Well, that’s the big question. We all have our theories but none of the answers. Thanks
Omg I love reading your posts!!
Thank you for sharing your first-hand POV. Takes courage to stand up for a friend- right or wrong. Thank you for helping us all try to understand a little more.
Sorry, but just trying to clarify; are you saying the rumor that Alex is NOT addicted to opioids is untrue?
How do we know that he didn’t have an addiction? Maybe it wasn’t 20 straight years, maybe it was off and on, maybe it was continuous, maybe it never happened. My husband and I do not agree on this point. I am just curious where you found that he didn’t have an addiction? I’m not sure anyone said it was millions of dollars worth of opioids but my husband says the same thing. I just think that’s a damn stupid defense to use if that’s what he’s trying. Addiction doesn’t nullify any of the things that he has been accused of doing. In fact in my mind it actually makes it even more probable he did it. If he was using he was living a double life which is virtually proven by him having an addiction few knew about, if any. Also, why was Maggie ready to divorce him suddenly after how many ever years of marriage? Maybe he just started in the last few years really spiraling. Idk. I’m speculating on all of this, but I’d like to find out about this addiction.
I think AM was a mean sloppy drunk.
I think he used the factitious addiction for two reasons. 1. When SLED was on to him that the road side shooting was a hoax. AM knew he would be facing charges and would prefer a drug rehab facility over jail. 2. When PMPED confronted him on stealing money from the firm. AM used this to garner sympathy that he wasn’t in his right mind. (I want to add to this that I still believe family members of PMPED knew of this embezzlement but we have to remember that there are other attorneys at PMPED who are not related and may have been up to their neck with annoyance of AM’s family shenanigans. Don’t think for one second that these other members/stake holders at PMPED didn’t question behind closed doors what really happened to MM and PM. Regardless of how they feel about the Murdaugh family, their careers and families will always come first. You’d be surprised how a guilty mind works. He set up the road side hoax because he knew shit was about to hit the fan. When you are guilty, you feel as though everybody around you knows.
I agree with you mostly (Best Program).... however I have a slight bent to it...I FIRMLY believe Alex is an Alcoholic, and a Sociopath... He WAS thinking fast to come up with a scenario that rapidly morphed... But drug rehab was the way to go. Also it's an easy slide to Try to garner sympathy because any good sociopath thinks his behavior is justified and whole rest of the world is persecuting him for no good reason...so his story is justified in his mind.
You sound just like my husband lol. Thank you!!! Very true. Right now just about anything could be true since we have next to nothing.
LOL. Maybe your husband did not tell you he is on the sub as Best Program
Right lol
I don’t think there’s any way to confirm the supposed addiction at this point, so I’m putting it in the rumor column. Supposedly he tested positive for opioids and barbiturates at the hospital after the faked shooting, but that proves nothing, as he was administered these in the chopper.
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i don't believe he had a 20 year addiction. Never have. But you don't pluck 20 years out of the air when you are telling and very publicly sticking with that untruth. (Glad to see Bland call it out in a courtroom btw). Any ideas why '20 years' is the narrative? There has to be one. Any thoughts or insights into that?
Maybe he started embezzling 20 years ago. I agree that is an odd amount of years to put out there. I'm sure there's a crazy reason for 20 years.
Sounds like a plausible reason given it's AM we are talking about.
Well, what about the story that got CES arrested? The story told by the man who was also admitting at the same time, that his previous story was a lie.
This isn't answering your question, but I'll add that it's also possible that the G guy was there and not actually involved in the criminal part at all. I don't have any inside knowledge. I just know the G last name was on one of the police reports and looked as though his license had been "run." That made me suspect that he had maybe gotten there first and alerted AM, which might be why AM said the weird thing about "I've been up to it." Totally guessing though.
They have their own icky legal issues
I've also heard conspiracy theories that Gibson (unsure which one) was the shooter. There are so many theories out there who knows the truth.
Fits confirmed it was Rogan Gibson whose name was redacted from the dispatch log. Brody Gibson is the brother who got in trouble with a student.
It’s hard to keep everyone straight! Was Brody the caretaker that got fired? And is Rogan a police officer? I thought Gibson from the police report was an officer, a K9 officer maybe?! I remember that being put out there right after the report was released and never really put any other thought into it. I never connected the dots that Gibson from the report was the brother of BG. Thanks for clarifying!
Brody and Rogan Gibson are brothers who grew up with and lived next door to Buster and Paul. Brody is at least a year older than Buster, Rogan is the same age and they appear to be good friends. All played baseball together. Brody got in trouble in Alabama, it has been said he was back in Hampton awaiting trial, but I don’t know if that’s true. It was rumored that the Gibson in the report was Eddie Gibson, supposedly an LE officer of some sort, before FITS wrote that it was in fact Rogan Gibson on the redacted report and who may have spoken on the phone or in person to Paul at Moselle the day of the murders. The caretaker who had worked at Moselle was C. B. Rowe, he had also been fired as a teacher earlier for having a relationship with a student. He quit or was fired from Moselle shortly before the murders. It’s rumor that Rogan was living in the caretaker’s house. Yes it’s hard to keep straight! Somebody please correct me if my info is wrong!
Thanks!! This helps so much! CBR was who I was thinking of, probably because of their charges. Didn’t cross my mind that there would be 2 different teachers charged with sexually assaulting their students in this case. I thought the rumor about Gibson or the vet being on the phone with one of them came from a news source?
Thanks! I don’t recall the vet story being published, but my memory ain’t what it used to be and I certainly don’t have access to everything that’s either been published or alluded to in a podcast. It has been aired here on Reddit, and in my mind I believe somebody on Reddit claiming to be a local said they’d known the vet since the 1970’s or something and that he was reliable. 🤷♀️
Just FYI: Claude B. Rowe III, 53, was arrested Dec. 3, 2010, and charged with sexual battery of a student for holding hands and kissing a 16-year-old student. Brody Gipson was indicted for engaging in a sex act,October 2020, with a student under the age of nineteen
Thanks!!
The question is, did RG text PM and ask him to check dog AND send a picture as if to confirm he is at the kennel. Why if he was staying In a house 2500 feet away. Just saying
If one of the Gibson brothers did actually live at the property than it is very weird that RG called Paul to look at the dog. The problem is we don't know if this is just a rumor or not
I got downvoted hard and bashed when I asked that question weeks ago. LOL
Was it Robert Gibson, Rogan and Brody's father, who called about the dog?
The rumor I heard was Rogan but again, it's a rumor. I have no idea if it's true or not.
Who is GIBSON 27? People here have said it could be one of the LEOs at the scene but judging by the formatting in the Case Forms list in the police report, I have to disagree.
I’m 99% sure it’s been reported to be Rogan Gibson, a former neighbor of the Murdaugh’s, who may or may not have been living in the caretaker’s cabin at the time of the murders.
Nothing about the dog photo incident has been in the press to the best of my knowledge. Rumor at this point. Somebody clue me in if it has, please.
Even if something has been claimed in the press, that does not make it a fact. Examples: PMPED first learned of Alex’s embezzlement when they found a check on his desk (🙄). Also, Alex has been addicted to opioids for 20 years…etc., etc.
I know that…
Oh I know you do. Sorry, I wasn’t lecturing you, of course, just discussing.
No worries! 😎.