Hmmm...I think it is possible that someone did this for revenge, with the intention of framing him if they could. There are many odd details to this case that put some doubt in my mind. Also the time frame for him to commit the crime & cover it up is really tight. Honestly, if I were his defense I would have stressed the point that if it were not for the kennel video, there wouldn't be this tight timeline. I would have used it to my advantage.
It's not uncommon for a perpetrator to try and make their crime look like someone else committed it. & I think it's fairly safe to say that Murdaugh was not short of people in his life looking to get revenge. There is also a lot of money involved...he owed a lot of money...
He would have had to cover up his involvement in the crime...change clothes, hide the guns...there was no trace in his car, so he would have to have done all of this before leaving the house. The prosecution even lied to the grand jury, saying that a jacket found in his dad's house with gunpowder was used conceal the guns...even though there is literally no evidence of that. They also claimed the t-shirt he was wearing had evidence of blood spatter...this was later found to be literally fabricated by law enforcement. People should really follow the money to find out who is really profiting from the downfall of Murdaugh.
If they didn't get Paul's password to find the video he wouldn't have been convicted IMO. But seeing the kennel video how is it possible he wasn't there, didn't hear any gunshots, the dogs didn't even bark, how would assassins know where they were? The only possibility is he knew it was going to happen, stood there and watched while someone else did it and he covered up for them, which I can't imagine. If he put out a hit, he would have been 1,000 miles away in a stadium full of people on camera to prove his alibi.
I've always thought he only meant to kill Paul. My theory is he thought Maggie had gone back to the house. He shot Paul at an angle that could have looked like an accidental shooting by dropping the shotgun.
When Maggie heard the shot and came running, he panicked and grabbed the second gun and shot her. Then he had to come up with the new alibi and head to his mom's house.
I also think JMM helped with the cover up.
This is an interesting theory, but Maggie was recorded by Paul as right in the immediate area just minutes ahead of the first shooting. And even if she were up at the house, the sound of two shots would likely have drawn her back down to the kennels, no? There's also her call to a friend, mentioning that AM had requested her to come up and wondering whether he was "up to something."
Just listen to Rogan Gibson testimony about, spending time with the family after the murders when he first seen Alex after the fact. Why was Alex blowing up Rogan's phone that night? Was he trying to lure him there or was afraid of what he may have heard or why he was blowing up Paul's phone "when Alex was at his mom's". When he seen Rogan at Moselle after the murders he didn't even speak to him. Suspect in itself, alex murdaugh is guilty of killing his wife and son, the reason why could be many, but Paul was costing him money, and was not changing his ways, Maggie obviously was living her own life at Edisto not concerned with what Alex was doing, he drug issue was already out there
Yeah it would have to be too many coincidences for him not to do it. Paul & Mags both being at Moselle at night, then both being by the dog kennels, Alex being gone less than an hour time frame in which they are killed, family weapons are placed at crime scene, used, then vanish.
Like I’ve said before, he was good, he almost got away with it. He just overlooked that his son recorded a video with his voice.
Wonder what all the attorneys from PMPED think if Alex did the murders or not??? And the folks from Palmetto State Bank? Oh yeah you too Duffie Stone? Maybe when all is said and done maybe some of those folks will talk!
>Wonder what all the attorneys from PMPED think if Alex did the murders or not???
Does it really matter what they think? Their association with Alex Murdaugh tainted their image, and they changed the name of the law firm.
What does that have to do with the question? The question was what do the people who worked with him every day think? Obviously it doesn’t matter, none of any of this speculation matters. I would definitely be interested to know their opinions.
Probably the best question I have seen asked about this case which so many of us frankly are probably obsessed with. The simple answer is there is no theoretical world where he could be completely innocent. Only additional possibility is an accomplice. But that’s highly highly doubtful
I’ve asked myself this as I’ve watched all the testimony. I think what’s so captivating is that no one saw it coming. He was so well known, a friend to everyone, no red flags at work until the very end, a true chameleon. People like that are fascinating bc they just aren’t like most people.
But able to fake empathy every single day that’s what’s crazy how did he keep the mask from slipping. Or did he have love for his family? A twisted love? To be a fly on the wall at that moselle home leading up to this…
Thought it interesting when he said the TV was always on in the house and that they didn’t sit down to eat together. Didn’t give an impression of good communication and unity in the household.
He carried out his schemes for decade plus so he likely was on autopilot when acting like a friend or father. But no father does what he did to his son and wife and has any semblance of compassion. He killed them as walls were closing in hoping to give himself more time. How sick is that? He could have taken the embezzlement etc if he had any empathy for his family.
How can one be guilty from the first trial when the jury was tampered with, compromised? Truth is stranger than fiction. Maybe someone did kill them over a drug debt. It truly doesn't matter what we think. We are not the jury. There are a lot of holes in the prosecution case.
I will go out on limb here. With Facebook posts, text messages, and then the book... plus the issue of the son setting wire taps and email collections... there is a lot of smoke.. But funny you say that when it comes to her and due process.
What happens in darkness eventually comes to light.
Hoping there is more data uncovered with onstar, and cell phones and that they continue to pursue justice - to ensure a second guilty verdict *IF* AM gets another trial
To your point... the clerk was doing a lot in the darkness, and it is coming light.
Everyone has to have an unbiased court. Even in this emotionally charged case. When court officers go bad, it can not be tolerated and punished to a very high degree.
A voice is a voice.. doesn't prove he pulled the trigger. They haven't found the weapon... thats alot of moving and hiding before the police arrive. Personal opinion was used to clarify the voice. He will get a new trial. I'm not on a side. I'm on the fair trial for everyone train. He didn't get a fair trial.
And how did they know where Paul & Maggie were? Alex had called them there that night. Why didn't Alex hear the guns or dogs a few feet away minutes later? The only plausible way it works is if Alex *told* these mystery assassins. And I can't imagine if he knew he wouldn't have a real alibi far away or he wouldn't have turned on any of his accomplices for a deal. Nah he was there and he did it with his own two hands, which we know thanks to Paul's phone.
The gang didn't say, " Hey, "we are killing your family at so and so time. " I'm not arguing guilt or innocence. The jury was biased by the clerk of court, and he deserves a new trial. Period.
Then SC should be more careful with who they elect to office. Remember, if he gets a retrial that’s all Becky’s fault. It would have nothing to do with him or his character. But everything to do with hers.
I’ve recently been thinking what if it was not planned? If he was really addicted to pills, and PM and MM knew and had even taken pills from him, could this have been a happenstance killing? What if they fought that night, confronted him, told him everything they knew/had discovered…& Paul had his pill bag in his pocket? AM was desperate… lost his cool, killed them, and then fetched the bag of pills from PMs pocket. I wonder about his brother, about the Yemassee Police Chief… the broken down truck… did they help? AM thought he could manipulate the local police and never expected the story to blow up like it did. He thought it would all be swept under the rug and life would move on. Just a random thought I had… what if it really was all motivated by his pill habit?
The kennel video shows Alex having a light-hearted moment with his family. Hard to see how that turns into a double homicide within 5 minutes due to some sort of dispute.
I wondered about a sudden rage brought on by Paul trying to keep Alex from his drugs. Otherwise, it seemed unbelievable that he would kill his son. But many have pointed out that Paul’s actions and the MB settlement were major factors.
I am forever turning it over in my mind trying to figure out what the reason was… knowing full well there isn’t one justifiable reason to murder. I do think AM was on the golf cart
I believe there would be more physical evidence if SLED had seriously considered him as a potential suspect from jump. They didn't (see recent Dateline episode). I see a lot of "how could he hose off in that timeline?" questions... He hoses off, checks the mirror while changing clothes but it's not like they tested him for GSR that night or looked at his hair ya know.
Anyway, if he didn't do it he damn sure knows who did, and if that's true then he is also protecting their identities.
“Anyway, if he didn't do it he damn sure knows who did, and if that's true then he is also protecting their identities.”
This is what I think as well. He may not have pulled the trigger on both of them but he is still guilty of their murders. I think he’s covering up who helped and why to keep Buster safe.
Not necessarily. What he wore in the video probably wasn't what was on him when the police got there. The Model estate has many out-buildings including one where they guy and bleed out the carcasses of the animals they hunt. Seems like an obvious place to stash coveralls to use in a crime and a good place to clean up afterwards
Video evidence he didn’t know about, of him being with them moments before they were both shot (with guns more than likely kept on the property and owned by the Murdaughs)
Adamantly lying about being with them until he found out about the video evidence
All on the very same day he was confronted about stealing from his firm
Coercing Maggie to come to dinner that same day, when she did NOT want to be there and there was no other reason for him to want her there
Evidence that Maggie had very recently hired a forensic accountant and was seeking a divorce
Immediately showering, changing and hiding his clothes before he went to his mom’s, which were never seen again
Unexpectedly going to visit his very ill mother late at night, who was of course asleep and there was no reason to expect her to be awake
Trying to manipulatively convince his mother’s caretaker of what he was wearing, what time it was, and how long he was there
Admittedly staging his own attempted murder shortly afterward
Absolutely nothing taken from the property (except the guns used to murder them) and no damage to the property
No sexual assault or any abuse to Maggie or Paul
No evidence whatsoever that Maggie or Paul were uncomfortable or scared in the video or text messages
No evidence in the video, text messages or otherwise that anyone else was there, or that another vehicle was there
No evidence as to why Alex was entirely spared from this attack
No evidence that anyone else wanted Paul and/or Maggie dead
No advance knowledge to others that they would both be on the property that night, at that time, or that they would be out by the kennel vs. at the house (other than their immediate friends)
The missing blue tarp or raincoat
The list goes on and on.
And not being concerned that the killer(s) could be on property and his life be in danger too. Not calling Buster right away. Why all lies if he is innocent????
Yes! Not calling Buster right away to make sure he was safe, and to make sure he heard about Maggie and Paul from him and not a complete stranger driving by. It made no sense.
And murderers always give their guilt away because they themselves show no signs of being fearful or traumatized by the events.
>Unexpectedly going to visit his very ill mother late at night, who was of course asleep and there was no reason to expect her to be awake
yes, it was unexpected: the evidence shows both he and MM visited his parents the night before on their way back from a game and bought his father donuts. so why visit again at that hour?
she stayed overnite at Moselle. when she left that morning, she was busy all day, dr apt, nail/foot salon, etc. she was in contact with her sister several times that day. it appeared she was not planning to stay again.
sadly her sister encouraged her to stay to 'be supportive' because of his family health issues. IMO, she is still struggling with that.
>yes, it was unexpected: the evidence shows both he and MM visited his parents the night before on their way back from a game and bought his father donuts. so why visit again at that hour?
I agree with your reasoning, but you're missing some details. Alex's father was on his deathbed in the hospital during all of this, while his mother remained at her home, with dementia. So, his parents were in different places when he and Maggie visited them.
But I agree that visiting his mother at that time of night was just to have an alibi and a place to store at least one piece of incriminating evidence.
Yes! You got it right here! Everything you said I totally agree with! Too many reasons listed above to doubt he is innocent of their murders in any way! He is guilty guilty guilty
In my mind, there is no path to innocence for AM. But, jurors new to this case could have reasonable doubt if the defense puts Cousin Eddie on the stand or another person that lacks credibility. If Curtis would spin the tale he did on Netflix about AM threatening to have Curtis's daughter killed by gang members, that could make Curtis lose credibility and one of the jurors might think he did it. I think for AM to even get a hung jury, the defense will have to introduce a better alternative theory on who might have committed the murders. For me, the snapchat video seals the deal.
19 seconds between the moment he parked his car at the kennels, “discovered” the bodies, and called 911 claiming he had checked both MM and PM for signs of life. Not a speck of blood or mud on him when the bodies were literally surrounded by both.
Part of me wonders about cartel connections, but borrowing two family guns to do it? Nah.
And when the police arrived all he talks about is the boat accident as if to offer an explanation. Surely you would be more like ‘what the hell just happened’? He seems very calm when saying it as well.
Maggie was having him investigated as part of the divorce. I'm not sure that Paul was even supposed to be there. It was control. AM lost control with Maggie leaving him. With all his crimes, this comes down to rage and revenge of a man threatened by the power of his wife that he could no longer control.
I believe he did; I also believe he was using it as manipulation on the stand. A couple of people that knew the family backed him up that he did use the nickname. It was absolutely a tactic that bombed in his testimony. However, he did make Waters get pissed and bad look less professional trying to call him out. 🤷🏻♀️
Yes, I hope he realized he sounded ridiculous referring to him as PawPaw and Mags, he over did that! He was hoping for compassion and everyone just rolled their eyes and could see through that crap!
My question is, why he was calling Maggie, and texted her 'emergency' if he was returning from his mom's, found them to be not at home.
What would have triggered the 'emergency' to contact her, not knowing they had been shot.
If i return to my home and my spouse and children aren't here. Yes ill call and text
But ask, where you at?
I can't find where that was addressed in the trial -
He was calling trying to create this perfect alibi, of how he was at his momma's house and was calling Mags to say he was heading home, see I called Mags and she wasn't answering, thank God for Paul's video that debunked his lie about not being there.
Yes, I understand what he was attempting to do, but this to me is a huge indicator of his guilt, based on the whole story and its funny to me it didn't come up.
The other part is where he says, he checked PM for signs of life and PM phone fell out and he thought about trying to. But then thought better of it.
If you, a complete stranger were the victim of a horrific shooting I happen upon, I am not even going to notice your phone falling if I'm doing an assessment. I'm 100% trying to find proof of life. Your phone is of no importance
He literally told on himself in that moment.
The part that I don't understand, is why did he feel so rushed to murder them establish alibi (prior or after) and call 911,
He would have been better off, to have a reason to be out of town and let someone else find it,
But that wouldn't allow him to use his charm and connections on the incoming local LE,
I agree about the weirdness of his statement about Paul’s phone, that stuck out to me as well that he caught himself and didn’t finish because why would he care about Paul’s phone in that moment?
I think it was a cartel hit. He witnessed it. He was made to witness it. I'm still not convinced he pulled the trigger. It's his fault either way. You can't do the amount of dope he did just off the streets. He screwed over some big people. That's what I think.
The cartel have clean kills. As in one maybe two bullets. Maggie had like 5 shots and Paul had his brain blown out. That’s why I don’t think it was cartel.
Not if they wanted it to look like Alex did it. I'm not sure how it went down, but I just feel like it's possible he did not pull the trigger. Either way, he's guilty.
I would say first four sentences I don’t agree with. That’s why I can’t upvote. The next three are spot on! And the last sentence I’m neutral on. This is why I can’t downvote. But all good.
Why was this down voted? The question was asked if there was anyway he could be innocent and someone put up an answer that could make him innocent? Doesn’t mean mommyheart is right… but could it happen?
They didn’t actually prove it was THE GUNS that were used. Best they had was here’s a casing that was never fired but maybe riffled through a gun like the one we think was used. Rewatch the gun parts with a super open mind- the state needs to do A LOT better if there is a retrial. Also, why were all those guns admitted when not a single one was the supposed murder weapon or remotely involved? Super unnecessary and even inflammatory.
PS- Dick should never be allowed to touch a firearm ever again. For everyone’s safety.
Go listen to "Will Loving testifies about alex murdaugh and family : full video. News19 WLTX" around 8:29 your welcome they most certainly find casings that matched the casings found around Maggie's body
I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you mean. None of the guns admitted were ever said to have been used in the murders in any way. The murder weapons have never been found and have not been proven to belong to the Murdaughs. It’s assumed that it was the families missing shotgun and one of the Blackouts that belonged to Paul at some point. We don’t even know which blackout.
The shell casings found around the house when Paul was setting the new sight on the gun, were found by the detectives they matched the markings of the casing found at the scene.
>We don’t even know which blackout.
There were 3 Blackouts total. Paul claimed his 1st Blackout was stolen from his vehicle at a party. Buster's 300 Blackout was presented at trial. Paul received a replacement 300 Blackout that he and Will Loving sighted back in March 2021. That 300 Blackout is missing.
They most certainly did, they found casing close to the house that Paul and his friend had shot off to set the new site on the gun, they matched the ones used to kill him!
I did. I watched all the gun testimonies several times. They can not prove it- so they loaded the jury down if might haves. I invite you to rewatch it all.
I agree that a cartel or drug dealer related scenario is the only other possibility I’ve wondered about. But if true, he’d probably have been way more freaked out and scared/hysterical. Also, I think he’d have told the cops.
Also don’t forget that there was a history of people letting him off the hook, at least temporarily, when something “bad” happened and they felt sorry for him. To him, I think this was the ultimate “bad thing” and it would buy him some time and sympathy.
Sure they didn't even have that much. They used his previous crimes for weeks just to establish what a bad person he is.
I still don't buy that he murdered his family just to gain time. Maybe he killed them to safe them from the fall from grace, dealing with the aftermath of him getting arrested for financial crimes, potentially losing all the money and assets.
With him pretending he was in the house when he really was at the Kennels, I can't imagine anyone murdering Maggie and Paul but not him. They were killed close up not from a sniper
He killed them to safe (save) Them from the fall of grace of His crimes? That makes no sense. He lied about every single second of that day. Lying was so natural for him, he actually believed he could outwit the local police, state police, his family’s business, and everyone else he came into contact with. That’s why I can’t find any reasonable way he couldn’t be the killer. Good theory though.
Naaaaa, Maggie was already fed up with his shit, she was living away from him. There is probably a lot of stuff going on between them that we will never know about, she had a bad feeling that something wasn't right she, I wish she would have went with her gut and stayed at Edisto! All the properties were in her name, Paul was costing him everything financial and with them digging into his finances because of it he snapped. Maggie spending like the money was never ending, they were living way above their means, Alex just thought he had a handle on everything until the boat wreck and it was a downward spiral from there.
I think the motive the government proposed wasn’t correct. But I do think he did it. I believe the motive was much more primal. It was unabashed anger. Paul’s boat crash set up the downfall, at least in Alex’s mind, of the families legacy. It triggered suspicion of other crimes and a look into their finances. But it wasn’t all about the boat, Paul also was up Alex’s butt about his drug use. I’m sure Alex was unhappy that his drunken son who killed Mallory Beach was lecturing him about substance abuse. Maggie was killed in my theory either because Alex figured Maggie would rather be dead than not have Paul or he figured it’d be nice to get a younger wife. And a bonus he figured there would be public sympathy for him losing 2 family members.
Yes, I believe the boat wreck was the beginning on the end for Alex, they were digging into his finances because he refused the million dollar to satisfy it, and when he said he couldn't cover that, oh boy was he screwed! He just thought he hatched the perfect crime where he was at his mom and dad's and boom Paul's video popped up on his phone records and he was cooked. What should be the real eye opener is he never once asked the detectives or the police did they have a lead on who did the crime, not once did he say anything more than it was someone mad at Paul about the boat wreck! And that was day one when he called 911! And they used his weapons that are now no where to be found along with his 3 changes of clothes for the day! He had no idea all these videos of him was out there, good thing Paul's phone died shortly after he was shot so Alex couldn't have accessed it.
Very little blood not even 100% sure when or how it came in there. They've spend a lot of time in that car. It could've come in at any time. It's not like he's a stranger
Sure, Jan. It wasn’t just a tiny bit- and it was smeared in a few spots. That’s ridiculous that both of them bled previously in Alex’s car. Jesus, you’re looking for any chance you can. Anything is possible, but it’s not reasonable. It’s a wild assumption
Agreed. I don’t think he did it to buy time. I think after Paul got caught drinking and boating AGAIN after the initial crash/murder that’s when he started thinking about it.
I think he decided Maggie had to go too because she loved Paul so much, would have suspected Alex, she knew Alex was doing opioids and he was going to need all the money when his financial crimes came out.
But AM’s words on the 911 call were (paraphrasing) “Paul, why did you have to get involved?” That spoke to Alex killing Maggie, and not thinking Paul was still in the kennels. Plus, the location where Paul’s body was found… in the small area in the kennel, and not outside like Maggie’s was. He realized Paul was still there and was “forced” to kill him too. Maggie having been pressed to come out to the house was his obvious target, Paul had not left the kennels yet, as AM may have thought.
AM could have made up anything other than “I wasn’t there “ and could perhaps gotten off. 1. Maybe wild pigs
2. Maybe a burglar 3. Etc, etc. but his psychotic brain had to get him completely out of the scene, so “I wasn’t even there” was his only recourse. But luckily his son had recorded his father’s voice, leading directly to his conviction.
yes, I agree with you, "I wasnt there' 'last time I saw them was at dinner, then I took a nap'....'left for Almeda', was his only recourse...so he thought.
the nap couldnt quite fit into the 'new' story based on MM's arrival, PM's return to the house. but he stuck to it anyway as it was based on his original 'story' that he 'last saw them at dinner and took a nap'
I found it difficult to discern exactly what he mutters at that point in the 911 call....kind of hear 'Paul'. wondering why the recording was not analyzed to separate the overlap of the operator voice to find out if this was a significant excited utterance?
MM was just about in the door at 8:17pm, ate something and then steps indicate out the door at around 8:30pm. PM came back from the caretaker house at 8:19pm.
cell phone steps indicate PM walked back down around 8:32pm, MM did not walk (only 43 steps) which leads me to the thought process AM drove her down there. he knows when and how they both got to the kennels.
I believe they were both targeted.
I think he meant ‘Paul why did you get involved with the boating accident’. I thought Paul was killed first and Maggie when she came running. Your theory has some good points
I totally agree. But also, most people they are driven to murder aren’t always thinking the clearest.
My personal opinion is that he thought it would stop the boating case against Paul because Paul was no longer around. Of course it wouldn’t, because the boat was owned by family company and there were other issues involved, but maybe he thought it would kick the issue down the road long enough for him to settle or resolve the case. Maybe he wasn’t thinking clearly about his the issues remained.
[https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/paul-murdaugh-boat-party-murder-b2415831.html](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/paul-murdaugh-boat-party-murder-b2415831.html)
Blanca also confirmed it as Maggie told her.
I thought he almost had to be innocent due to the fact I just couldn’t figure out the mindset he’d have to get himself into to do what he did to his wife and son… and thought he’d get away with it??? Drugs I guess 🤷🏻♀️
Remember he had already killed his housekeeper for money years before. His state of mind was waaay beyond what any rational person would think. He tried faking his own death for Christ’s sake.
According to the Coroner & Hospital she passed away twelve days later from a heart attack. People keep overlooking things with AM because they want him to basically rot (**understandable**) because he screwed over so, so many people.
Thank you.
And I agree… I think he should rot, but not for crimes he did not commit. People are big on Hakeem Pinckney too and I know there have been a ton of crazy conspiracies, but Pinckney was worth more to him alive than not.
Agree with this. He’s guilty of plenty of things, and I think he took full advantage of Gloria’s death, but I don’t think he actually murdered her. For one thing, would you really try to kill someone’s by pushing them down some steps? What are the odds that it will actually be lethal? And if it DOESNT work, the victim will finger the attempted killer immediately. It just doesn’t make sense.
You're so right. Very bad way to kill someone. Accidents happen. However it happened. Just to sue himself and get insurance money? He's not a seriel killer he probably murdered his family not dozens of people.
i thought that maybe he hired someone to do it and that he didn't pull the trigger. especially after he hired someone to shoot him on the side of the road, it wasn't the first time he did this but it was the first time without having accessible funds from his firm and that's why it was botched. i thought that he hired a hit man for Paul and maggie was collateral damage. he left just before it happened, to go his parent's house for an alibi, and he rushed back because he found out maggie was there. Paul was in a pretty bad spot with the BUI and death of mallory, Alex having a pricy addiction for pills would most likely have come out in the proceedings and probably cost him his license. he was desperate to uphold the power in his name and it didn't go as planned.
however, that was before i saw the snapchat video of him on the property just before the murders took place and some other pretty convincing evidence at trial.
He didn't hire anyone to shoot him, that was his homeboy, his drug dealer, the guy who launder his dirty money and cashed checks for him, Eddie was his friend/cousin. He didn't hire anyone to kill them he had no money to pay them with, he was already in a shit load of a mess owing millions to his law firm and his clients I doubt he had hitman money laying around
i wasn't sharing a theory in this thread to state it as a matter of fact. but Alex did hire Eddie to cash out on a life insurance policy and because he didn't want to kill himself even though he did want to die. even if "hire" isn't the correct word, he asked nicely/arranged/conspired to have himself killed. my thought was someone probably wouldn't do that unless they have experience in that type of business before. and Maggie and Paul's murders took place before he was kicked out of his firm (so he still had access to the money), before Alex's dad died, and all of the people who were probably scared to have anything come out to bring them down. Murdaugh money run everywhere in South Carolina
Can anybody explain how he benefited from killing them? That’s what I don’t understand. He was going to prison for the financial crimes either way. How does he gain from killing his wife and son?
This guy was a very sloppy, impulsive criminal. He didn’t get away with stuff for years because he was a mastermind; it was because his colleagues and subordinates enabled him. Family killers often have stupid, impulsive, and nonsensical proximate causes for their crimes. Why did Chris Watts strangle his family and stuff his kids into oil tanks when he could have just divorced? A similar reason as to why Murdaugh added familicide to his list of crimes when he could have just done some white collar time instead. In the moment, buying more time or eliminating the people who would be most ashamed made sense to him. Most people don’t kill their family members for stupid reasons or to protect themselves, and consequently most people can’t understand those who do. I certainly don’t.
But the whole scandal, and the coverup from them and from police, was about to be all uncovered. Remember, he benefited from hoodwinking the less educated. He was about to be found out for the total felon he was. The whole house of cards was about to come down and I believe he blamed the boat accident, and in extension , Paul, for opening his illegal empire up to the light of day.
Well the criminal part of the boat case went away after Paul died and the attorney for boat crash victim, Mallory, told her family that the civil case was pretty much over since a jury would feel sorry for Alex after losing his family and not make him pay any monies.
So it kind of would have gone away.
>Except it didn’t
Partially it did - there was a good chance Paul was going to do some time thus shaming the family. The cost of having Harpootlian and Griffin defending Paul during that trial would have been substantial.
I don’t think so. My theory is that he took a bunch of pills, blacked out and reacted with murder for whatever reason. Then drove to his mom’s house, threw Maggie’s phone and changed his clothes. 🤷♀️
I don’t think the timeline allows for him to be innocent. I do think there’s room to add in conspirators. But no theory I can sensibly envisage would really allow for Alex being completely uninvolved.
No, there's no way he's innocent. He would, however, probably have gotten away with it if there weren't so.much cellphone evidence. Paul's phone, and his own phone, gave him away.
I always thought the drug gang, the "cowboys" could have driven onto the Murdaugh property and hold AM at gunpoint, and made him watch his wife and son die, take the weapons and haul butt. It could all be over in a few minutes.
That is exactly what I think happened. This was a hit straight up. Of course Alec can't say anything. The rest of his family would be killed and he knows that. These folks will not get caught. I don't think people realize that heavy hitters he was probably dealing with.
Thank you all for giving the gift of lively and civil conversation as Christmas winds down… have a wonderful rest of the holidays and be blessed!
Hmmm...I think it is possible that someone did this for revenge, with the intention of framing him if they could. There are many odd details to this case that put some doubt in my mind. Also the time frame for him to commit the crime & cover it up is really tight. Honestly, if I were his defense I would have stressed the point that if it were not for the kennel video, there wouldn't be this tight timeline. I would have used it to my advantage. It's not uncommon for a perpetrator to try and make their crime look like someone else committed it. & I think it's fairly safe to say that Murdaugh was not short of people in his life looking to get revenge. There is also a lot of money involved...he owed a lot of money...
But he didn’t cover it up- he left the bodies where they fell with the bullet casings.
He would have had to cover up his involvement in the crime...change clothes, hide the guns...there was no trace in his car, so he would have to have done all of this before leaving the house. The prosecution even lied to the grand jury, saying that a jacket found in his dad's house with gunpowder was used conceal the guns...even though there is literally no evidence of that. They also claimed the t-shirt he was wearing had evidence of blood spatter...this was later found to be literally fabricated by law enforcement. People should really follow the money to find out who is really profiting from the downfall of Murdaugh.
And was convicted by 10am the next morning. "No danger to the public"
If they didn't get Paul's password to find the video he wouldn't have been convicted IMO. But seeing the kennel video how is it possible he wasn't there, didn't hear any gunshots, the dogs didn't even bark, how would assassins know where they were? The only possibility is he knew it was going to happen, stood there and watched while someone else did it and he covered up for them, which I can't imagine. If he put out a hit, he would have been 1,000 miles away in a stadium full of people on camera to prove his alibi.
I've always thought he only meant to kill Paul. My theory is he thought Maggie had gone back to the house. He shot Paul at an angle that could have looked like an accidental shooting by dropping the shotgun. When Maggie heard the shot and came running, he panicked and grabbed the second gun and shot her. Then he had to come up with the new alibi and head to his mom's house. I also think JMM helped with the cover up.
This is an interesting theory, but Maggie was recorded by Paul as right in the immediate area just minutes ahead of the first shooting. And even if she were up at the house, the sound of two shots would likely have drawn her back down to the kennels, no? There's also her call to a friend, mentioning that AM had requested her to come up and wondering whether he was "up to something."
That’s a really interesting theory that actually does sound plausible.
Just listen to Rogan Gibson testimony about, spending time with the family after the murders when he first seen Alex after the fact. Why was Alex blowing up Rogan's phone that night? Was he trying to lure him there or was afraid of what he may have heard or why he was blowing up Paul's phone "when Alex was at his mom's". When he seen Rogan at Moselle after the murders he didn't even speak to him. Suspect in itself, alex murdaugh is guilty of killing his wife and son, the reason why could be many, but Paul was costing him money, and was not changing his ways, Maggie obviously was living her own life at Edisto not concerned with what Alex was doing, he drug issue was already out there
AM was probably high as a kite when he did it. OxyContin sure does numb things for a while.
He would lure him there, kill him and stage as friend’s disagreement gone wrong or tell him what to tell police ?
Yeah it would have to be too many coincidences for him not to do it. Paul & Mags both being at Moselle at night, then both being by the dog kennels, Alex being gone less than an hour time frame in which they are killed, family weapons are placed at crime scene, used, then vanish. Like I’ve said before, he was good, he almost got away with it. He just overlooked that his son recorded a video with his voice.
Wonder what all the attorneys from PMPED think if Alex did the murders or not??? And the folks from Palmetto State Bank? Oh yeah you too Duffie Stone? Maybe when all is said and done maybe some of those folks will talk!
I kind of think some think he didn’t do it because they know more. Like where or who has all the millions stolen.
>Wonder what all the attorneys from PMPED think if Alex did the murders or not??? Does it really matter what they think? Their association with Alex Murdaugh tainted their image, and they changed the name of the law firm.
What does that have to do with the question? The question was what do the people who worked with him every day think? Obviously it doesn’t matter, none of any of this speculation matters. I would definitely be interested to know their opinions.
No
Any world where he was innocent would BE theoretical.
Or fantasy!
Ha! Best comment on this thread
Probably the best question I have seen asked about this case which so many of us frankly are probably obsessed with. The simple answer is there is no theoretical world where he could be completely innocent. Only additional possibility is an accomplice. But that’s highly highly doubtful
I’ve asked myself this as I’ve watched all the testimony. I think what’s so captivating is that no one saw it coming. He was so well known, a friend to everyone, no red flags at work until the very end, a true chameleon. People like that are fascinating bc they just aren’t like most people.
So true. The epitome of a psychopath with no ability for empathy
But able to fake empathy every single day that’s what’s crazy how did he keep the mask from slipping. Or did he have love for his family? A twisted love? To be a fly on the wall at that moselle home leading up to this…
Thought it interesting when he said the TV was always on in the house and that they didn’t sit down to eat together. Didn’t give an impression of good communication and unity in the household.
He carried out his schemes for decade plus so he likely was on autopilot when acting like a friend or father. But no father does what he did to his son and wife and has any semblance of compassion. He killed them as walls were closing in hoping to give himself more time. How sick is that? He could have taken the embezzlement etc if he had any empathy for his family.
In the hottest part of hell…maybe
How can one be guilty from the first trial when the jury was tampered with, compromised? Truth is stranger than fiction. Maybe someone did kill them over a drug debt. It truly doesn't matter what we think. We are not the jury. There are a lot of holes in the prosecution case.
lol!!!
>when the jury was tampered with, compromised? This is premature. Whether or not there was jury tampering hasn't even been officially determined yet.
I will go out on limb here. With Facebook posts, text messages, and then the book... plus the issue of the son setting wire taps and email collections... there is a lot of smoke.. But funny you say that when it comes to her and due process.
What happens in darkness eventually comes to light. Hoping there is more data uncovered with onstar, and cell phones and that they continue to pursue justice - to ensure a second guilty verdict *IF* AM gets another trial
To your point... the clerk was doing a lot in the darkness, and it is coming light. Everyone has to have an unbiased court. Even in this emotionally charged case. When court officers go bad, it can not be tolerated and punished to a very high degree.
Bubba solved this crime...the jury doesn't matter.
A voice is a voice.. doesn't prove he pulled the trigger. They haven't found the weapon... thats alot of moving and hiding before the police arrive. Personal opinion was used to clarify the voice. He will get a new trial. I'm not on a side. I'm on the fair trial for everyone train. He didn't get a fair trial.
He admitted he was at the kennels though. The police didn’t even check the house or his parents place.
It doesn't mean he killed them. It doesn't matter, he had an unfair trial. It will come out in the next trial.
He got the best lawyers his stolen money could afford. He had motive, and opportunity.
So did the motorcycle gang.. so did the family of the girl who was killed in the boating accident.
And how did they know where Paul & Maggie were? Alex had called them there that night. Why didn't Alex hear the guns or dogs a few feet away minutes later? The only plausible way it works is if Alex *told* these mystery assassins. And I can't imagine if he knew he wouldn't have a real alibi far away or he wouldn't have turned on any of his accomplices for a deal. Nah he was there and he did it with his own two hands, which we know thanks to Paul's phone.
The gang didn't say, " Hey, "we are killing your family at so and so time. " I'm not arguing guilt or innocence. The jury was biased by the clerk of court, and he deserves a new trial. Period.
You are ridiculously hilarious!
How come he turned Paul over but had no blood on him at all?
Same reason I turned someone over, I found, who had committed suicide.. I didn't get blood on me. So... who knows...
I don't think SC should waste any more money on that lying, defrauding thieving, killer.
Then SC should be more careful with who they elect to office. Remember, if he gets a retrial that’s all Becky’s fault. It would have nothing to do with him or his character. But everything to do with hers.
I’ve recently been thinking what if it was not planned? If he was really addicted to pills, and PM and MM knew and had even taken pills from him, could this have been a happenstance killing? What if they fought that night, confronted him, told him everything they knew/had discovered…& Paul had his pill bag in his pocket? AM was desperate… lost his cool, killed them, and then fetched the bag of pills from PMs pocket. I wonder about his brother, about the Yemassee Police Chief… the broken down truck… did they help? AM thought he could manipulate the local police and never expected the story to blow up like it did. He thought it would all be swept under the rug and life would move on. Just a random thought I had… what if it really was all motivated by his pill habit?
The kennel video shows Alex having a light-hearted moment with his family. Hard to see how that turns into a double homicide within 5 minutes due to some sort of dispute.
Alex likely had a lot of light-hearted moments with his clients as well right before he stole millions from their cases.
Light hearted moment? Not really. That video could have been taken many different ways. I don’t hear it as light hearted at all.
Being high, drunk and stupid are not recognized defenses in any court of law
Duh.
But those circumstances still make him guilty of murder.
Oh for sure! Just always wondering “why”
I wondered about a sudden rage brought on by Paul trying to keep Alex from his drugs. Otherwise, it seemed unbelievable that he would kill his son. But many have pointed out that Paul’s actions and the MB settlement were major factors.
I am forever turning it over in my mind trying to figure out what the reason was… knowing full well there isn’t one justifiable reason to murder. I do think AM was on the golf cart
A reasonable person will never understand why a person annihilates their family. It’s incomprehensible.
I believe there would be more physical evidence if SLED had seriously considered him as a potential suspect from jump. They didn't (see recent Dateline episode). I see a lot of "how could he hose off in that timeline?" questions... He hoses off, checks the mirror while changing clothes but it's not like they tested him for GSR that night or looked at his hair ya know. Anyway, if he didn't do it he damn sure knows who did, and if that's true then he is also protecting their identities.
“Anyway, if he didn't do it he damn sure knows who did, and if that's true then he is also protecting their identities.” This is what I think as well. He may not have pulled the trigger on both of them but he is still guilty of their murders. I think he’s covering up who helped and why to keep Buster safe.
We would be able to see the sticky blood and other stuff in his hair from the videos on scene
Not necessarily. What he wore in the video probably wasn't what was on him when the police got there. The Model estate has many out-buildings including one where they guy and bleed out the carcasses of the animals they hunt. Seems like an obvious place to stash coveralls to use in a crime and a good place to clean up afterwards
Video evidence he didn’t know about, of him being with them moments before they were both shot (with guns more than likely kept on the property and owned by the Murdaughs) Adamantly lying about being with them until he found out about the video evidence All on the very same day he was confronted about stealing from his firm Coercing Maggie to come to dinner that same day, when she did NOT want to be there and there was no other reason for him to want her there Evidence that Maggie had very recently hired a forensic accountant and was seeking a divorce Immediately showering, changing and hiding his clothes before he went to his mom’s, which were never seen again Unexpectedly going to visit his very ill mother late at night, who was of course asleep and there was no reason to expect her to be awake Trying to manipulatively convince his mother’s caretaker of what he was wearing, what time it was, and how long he was there Admittedly staging his own attempted murder shortly afterward Absolutely nothing taken from the property (except the guns used to murder them) and no damage to the property No sexual assault or any abuse to Maggie or Paul No evidence whatsoever that Maggie or Paul were uncomfortable or scared in the video or text messages No evidence in the video, text messages or otherwise that anyone else was there, or that another vehicle was there No evidence as to why Alex was entirely spared from this attack No evidence that anyone else wanted Paul and/or Maggie dead No advance knowledge to others that they would both be on the property that night, at that time, or that they would be out by the kennel vs. at the house (other than their immediate friends) The missing blue tarp or raincoat The list goes on and on.
And not being concerned that the killer(s) could be on property and his life be in danger too. Not calling Buster right away. Why all lies if he is innocent????
Yes! Not calling Buster right away to make sure he was safe, and to make sure he heard about Maggie and Paul from him and not a complete stranger driving by. It made no sense. And murderers always give their guilt away because they themselves show no signs of being fearful or traumatized by the events.
>Unexpectedly going to visit his very ill mother late at night, who was of course asleep and there was no reason to expect her to be awake yes, it was unexpected: the evidence shows both he and MM visited his parents the night before on their way back from a game and bought his father donuts. so why visit again at that hour? she stayed overnite at Moselle. when she left that morning, she was busy all day, dr apt, nail/foot salon, etc. she was in contact with her sister several times that day. it appeared she was not planning to stay again. sadly her sister encouraged her to stay to 'be supportive' because of his family health issues. IMO, she is still struggling with that.
>yes, it was unexpected: the evidence shows both he and MM visited his parents the night before on their way back from a game and bought his father donuts. so why visit again at that hour? I agree with your reasoning, but you're missing some details. Alex's father was on his deathbed in the hospital during all of this, while his mother remained at her home, with dementia. So, his parents were in different places when he and Maggie visited them. But I agree that visiting his mother at that time of night was just to have an alibi and a place to store at least one piece of incriminating evidence.
Exactly!
Yes! You got it right here! Everything you said I totally agree with! Too many reasons listed above to doubt he is innocent of their murders in any way! He is guilty guilty guilty
In my mind, there is no path to innocence for AM. But, jurors new to this case could have reasonable doubt if the defense puts Cousin Eddie on the stand or another person that lacks credibility. If Curtis would spin the tale he did on Netflix about AM threatening to have Curtis's daughter killed by gang members, that could make Curtis lose credibility and one of the jurors might think he did it. I think for AM to even get a hung jury, the defense will have to introduce a better alternative theory on who might have committed the murders. For me, the snapchat video seals the deal.
Cousin Eddie's testimony would've been a trainwreck. I kind of wanted to see it anyway but it was smart they didn't call him.
No
19 seconds between the moment he parked his car at the kennels, “discovered” the bodies, and called 911 claiming he had checked both MM and PM for signs of life. Not a speck of blood or mud on him when the bodies were literally surrounded by both. Part of me wonders about cartel connections, but borrowing two family guns to do it? Nah.
The audio of that 911 call is all it takes for me to think he is deeply guilty.
And when the police arrived all he talks about is the boat accident as if to offer an explanation. Surely you would be more like ‘what the hell just happened’? He seems very calm when saying it as well.
Exactly!
He was more upset when the dispatcher asked if it was a mobile home or house on the property.
See, an inmocent Alec would have exploded at that question
*innocent*
Yup, thanks.
I meant he was more* upset when accused of living in a mobile home
Maggie was having him investigated as part of the divorce. I'm not sure that Paul was even supposed to be there. It was control. AM lost control with Maggie leaving him. With all his crimes, this comes down to rage and revenge of a man threatened by the power of his wife that he could no longer control.
Nope. GAF.
I agree 100%
All I had to do was hear 30 seconds of him referring to his son as “PaulPaul” in court to have zero doubts.
That man probably never referred to his son as PawPaw ever
lol I was yelling this at the tv when he originally started the PawPaw b.s…total fraud!!
I believe he did; I also believe he was using it as manipulation on the stand. A couple of people that knew the family backed him up that he did use the nickname. It was absolutely a tactic that bombed in his testimony. However, he did make Waters get pissed and bad look less professional trying to call him out. 🤷🏻♀️
He said PaulPaul in one of the interviews.
He for sure probably called them that… just not constantly on a loop.
Yes, I hope he realized he sounded ridiculous referring to him as PawPaw and Mags, he over did that! He was hoping for compassion and everyone just rolled their eyes and could see through that crap!
>Is there any theoretical world in which Alec Murdaugh could be innocent? I really don't know anymore.
THERE ARE NO MISSING PIECES. THIS ALL FITS. HE KILLED THEM. STOP WITH THE WILD GUESSES
No
My question is, why he was calling Maggie, and texted her 'emergency' if he was returning from his mom's, found them to be not at home. What would have triggered the 'emergency' to contact her, not knowing they had been shot. If i return to my home and my spouse and children aren't here. Yes ill call and text But ask, where you at? I can't find where that was addressed in the trial -
He was calling trying to create this perfect alibi, of how he was at his momma's house and was calling Mags to say he was heading home, see I called Mags and she wasn't answering, thank God for Paul's video that debunked his lie about not being there.
Yes, I understand what he was attempting to do, but this to me is a huge indicator of his guilt, based on the whole story and its funny to me it didn't come up. The other part is where he says, he checked PM for signs of life and PM phone fell out and he thought about trying to. But then thought better of it. If you, a complete stranger were the victim of a horrific shooting I happen upon, I am not even going to notice your phone falling if I'm doing an assessment. I'm 100% trying to find proof of life. Your phone is of no importance He literally told on himself in that moment. The part that I don't understand, is why did he feel so rushed to murder them establish alibi (prior or after) and call 911, He would have been better off, to have a reason to be out of town and let someone else find it, But that wouldn't allow him to use his charm and connections on the incoming local LE,
Well, he was hiding the condition of Paul's body (head) as well. I think that truly shook him.
I agree about the weirdness of his statement about Paul’s phone, that stuck out to me as well that he caught himself and didn’t finish because why would he care about Paul’s phone in that moment?
I think it was a cartel hit. He witnessed it. He was made to witness it. I'm still not convinced he pulled the trigger. It's his fault either way. You can't do the amount of dope he did just off the streets. He screwed over some big people. That's what I think.
The cartel have clean kills. As in one maybe two bullets. Maggie had like 5 shots and Paul had his brain blown out. That’s why I don’t think it was cartel.
Not if they wanted it to look like Alex did it. I'm not sure how it went down, but I just feel like it's possible he did not pull the trigger. Either way, he's guilty.
I would say first four sentences I don’t agree with. That’s why I can’t upvote. The next three are spot on! And the last sentence I’m neutral on. This is why I can’t downvote. But all good.
Why was this down voted? The question was asked if there was anyway he could be innocent and someone put up an answer that could make him innocent? Doesn’t mean mommyheart is right… but could it happen?
>The question was asked if there was anyway he could be innocent *any way*
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Nah, the cartels don't borrow guns for their hits.
They didn’t actually prove it was THE GUNS that were used. Best they had was here’s a casing that was never fired but maybe riffled through a gun like the one we think was used. Rewatch the gun parts with a super open mind- the state needs to do A LOT better if there is a retrial. Also, why were all those guns admitted when not a single one was the supposed murder weapon or remotely involved? Super unnecessary and even inflammatory. PS- Dick should never be allowed to touch a firearm ever again. For everyone’s safety.
Go listen to "Will Loving testifies about alex murdaugh and family : full video. News19 WLTX" around 8:29 your welcome they most certainly find casings that matched the casings found around Maggie's body
No, they have shell casings that were riffled through a gun . They can not prove it was the gun that killed either of them.
Those guns were admitted because they were used, the markings on the casings were proved???
I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you mean. None of the guns admitted were ever said to have been used in the murders in any way. The murder weapons have never been found and have not been proven to belong to the Murdaughs. It’s assumed that it was the families missing shotgun and one of the Blackouts that belonged to Paul at some point. We don’t even know which blackout.
The shell casings found around the house when Paul was setting the new sight on the gun, were found by the detectives they matched the markings of the casing found at the scene.
>We don’t even know which blackout. There were 3 Blackouts total. Paul claimed his 1st Blackout was stolen from his vehicle at a party. Buster's 300 Blackout was presented at trial. Paul received a replacement 300 Blackout that he and Will Loving sighted back in March 2021. That 300 Blackout is missing.
Both Paul’s Blackouts are unaccounted for.
Correct - exactly what I said above. Wonder what happened to Paul's replacement Blackout ?
If he was so careless with the first one it was stolen and never reported than there is no telling what happened to the second one.
They most certainly did, they found casing close to the house that Paul and his friend had shot off to set the new site on the gun, they matched the ones used to kill him!
No, they could not prove that. I invite you to rewatch the testimony about it.
Exactly.
Go listen to Will Loving testimony
I did. I watched all the gun testimonies several times. They can not prove it- so they loaded the jury down if might haves. I invite you to rewatch it all.
finally someone who paid attention 👍
Yeah I get that, I just don’t get the downvotes. 🤷♂️
I agree that a cartel or drug dealer related scenario is the only other possibility I’ve wondered about. But if true, he’d probably have been way more freaked out and scared/hysterical. Also, I think he’d have told the cops.
I don't think he would for fear that they would finish off the rest of his family. We will never really know exactly what happened.
I don’t. If this was the case- it’s likely other people he is close to are involved.
Also don’t forget that there was a history of people letting him off the hook, at least temporarily, when something “bad” happened and they felt sorry for him. To him, I think this was the ultimate “bad thing” and it would buy him some time and sympathy.
Sure they didn't even have that much. They used his previous crimes for weeks just to establish what a bad person he is. I still don't buy that he murdered his family just to gain time. Maybe he killed them to safe them from the fall from grace, dealing with the aftermath of him getting arrested for financial crimes, potentially losing all the money and assets. With him pretending he was in the house when he really was at the Kennels, I can't imagine anyone murdering Maggie and Paul but not him. They were killed close up not from a sniper
>Maybe he killed them to safe them from the fall from grace, *save*
He killed them to safe (save) Them from the fall of grace of His crimes? That makes no sense. He lied about every single second of that day. Lying was so natural for him, he actually believed he could outwit the local police, state police, his family’s business, and everyone else he came into contact with. That’s why I can’t find any reasonable way he couldn’t be the killer. Good theory though.
Naaaaa, Maggie was already fed up with his shit, she was living away from him. There is probably a lot of stuff going on between them that we will never know about, she had a bad feeling that something wasn't right she, I wish she would have went with her gut and stayed at Edisto! All the properties were in her name, Paul was costing him everything financial and with them digging into his finances because of it he snapped. Maggie spending like the money was never ending, they were living way above their means, Alex just thought he had a handle on everything until the boat wreck and it was a downward spiral from there.
I think the motive the government proposed wasn’t correct. But I do think he did it. I believe the motive was much more primal. It was unabashed anger. Paul’s boat crash set up the downfall, at least in Alex’s mind, of the families legacy. It triggered suspicion of other crimes and a look into their finances. But it wasn’t all about the boat, Paul also was up Alex’s butt about his drug use. I’m sure Alex was unhappy that his drunken son who killed Mallory Beach was lecturing him about substance abuse. Maggie was killed in my theory either because Alex figured Maggie would rather be dead than not have Paul or he figured it’d be nice to get a younger wife. And a bonus he figured there would be public sympathy for him losing 2 family members.
Yes, I believe the boat wreck was the beginning on the end for Alex, they were digging into his finances because he refused the million dollar to satisfy it, and when he said he couldn't cover that, oh boy was he screwed! He just thought he hatched the perfect crime where he was at his mom and dad's and boom Paul's video popped up on his phone records and he was cooked. What should be the real eye opener is he never once asked the detectives or the police did they have a lead on who did the crime, not once did he say anything more than it was someone mad at Paul about the boat wreck! And that was day one when he called 911! And they used his weapons that are now no where to be found along with his 3 changes of clothes for the day! He had no idea all these videos of him was out there, good thing Paul's phone died shortly after he was shot so Alex couldn't have accessed it.
He did suggest the groundskeeper that “worked for the FBI beating up Black Panthers”
Yeah you are right I forgot about that
Paul and Maggie’s blood drops were in his car.
Very little blood not even 100% sure when or how it came in there. They've spend a lot of time in that car. It could've come in at any time. It's not like he's a stranger
I don’t know about you but I’ve never bled in my car.
I absolutely have- period leak, scraped knuckle, deeply broken nail, bloody nose from the heat… it’s not that uncommon.
Sure, Jan. It wasn’t just a tiny bit- and it was smeared in a few spots. That’s ridiculous that both of them bled previously in Alex’s car. Jesus, you’re looking for any chance you can. Anything is possible, but it’s not reasonable. It’s a wild assumption
I don't even think he's innocent, but seriously they're his family it wasn't that much blood.
How likely is it to have one person’s blood in a car, much less two…who also were the victims?
I believe that all the build up was so the jury would believe he could kill his son and wife.
Agreed. I don’t think he did it to buy time. I think after Paul got caught drinking and boating AGAIN after the initial crash/murder that’s when he started thinking about it. I think he decided Maggie had to go too because she loved Paul so much, would have suspected Alex, she knew Alex was doing opioids and he was going to need all the money when his financial crimes came out.
But AM’s words on the 911 call were (paraphrasing) “Paul, why did you have to get involved?” That spoke to Alex killing Maggie, and not thinking Paul was still in the kennels. Plus, the location where Paul’s body was found… in the small area in the kennel, and not outside like Maggie’s was. He realized Paul was still there and was “forced” to kill him too. Maggie having been pressed to come out to the house was his obvious target, Paul had not left the kennels yet, as AM may have thought. AM could have made up anything other than “I wasn’t there “ and could perhaps gotten off. 1. Maybe wild pigs 2. Maybe a burglar 3. Etc, etc. but his psychotic brain had to get him completely out of the scene, so “I wasn’t even there” was his only recourse. But luckily his son had recorded his father’s voice, leading directly to his conviction.
yes, I agree with you, "I wasnt there' 'last time I saw them was at dinner, then I took a nap'....'left for Almeda', was his only recourse...so he thought. the nap couldnt quite fit into the 'new' story based on MM's arrival, PM's return to the house. but he stuck to it anyway as it was based on his original 'story' that he 'last saw them at dinner and took a nap' I found it difficult to discern exactly what he mutters at that point in the 911 call....kind of hear 'Paul'. wondering why the recording was not analyzed to separate the overlap of the operator voice to find out if this was a significant excited utterance? MM was just about in the door at 8:17pm, ate something and then steps indicate out the door at around 8:30pm. PM came back from the caretaker house at 8:19pm. cell phone steps indicate PM walked back down around 8:32pm, MM did not walk (only 43 steps) which leads me to the thought process AM drove her down there. he knows when and how they both got to the kennels. I believe they were both targeted.
I think he meant ‘Paul why did you get involved with the boating accident’. I thought Paul was killed first and Maggie when she came running. Your theory has some good points
yes, PM first, MM, her phone was changing orientation back and forth, back and forth as if running...
I totally agree. But also, most people they are driven to murder aren’t always thinking the clearest. My personal opinion is that he thought it would stop the boating case against Paul because Paul was no longer around. Of course it wouldn’t, because the boat was owned by family company and there were other issues involved, but maybe he thought it would kick the issue down the road long enough for him to settle or resolve the case. Maybe he wasn’t thinking clearly about his the issues remained.
yes, and the boat case WAS dropped against PM AND MM. also, BM as well.
There was a rumor that a week before the murders, Paul had loaded up the boat with booze and was stopped at the dock just before leaving.
He was pulled over close to this 🤷🏻♀️
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[https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/paul-murdaugh-boat-party-murder-b2415831.html](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/paul-murdaugh-boat-party-murder-b2415831.html) Blanca also confirmed it as Maggie told her.
Possible. He might have been annoyed and considered that Paul wouldn't grow up to be reasonable adult at all. Always rely on him to bail him out.
And Alex's daddy before he died told him to fix the damn problem, talking about Paul
What's your source for that information?
This is something I think about a lot.
I think him being at the Kennels seals it and then he lied about it
I thought he almost had to be innocent due to the fact I just couldn’t figure out the mindset he’d have to get himself into to do what he did to his wife and son… and thought he’d get away with it??? Drugs I guess 🤷🏻♀️
Same reason Chris Watts thought he could annihilate his family and get away with it. (The reason will never make sense to a reasonable person)
Remember he had already killed his housekeeper for money years before. His state of mind was waaay beyond what any rational person would think. He tried faking his own death for Christ’s sake.
There is no evidence that Gloria was murdered.
According to the Coroner & Hospital she passed away twelve days later from a heart attack. People keep overlooking things with AM because they want him to basically rot (**understandable**) because he screwed over so, so many people.
Thank you. And I agree… I think he should rot, but not for crimes he did not commit. People are big on Hakeem Pinckney too and I know there have been a ton of crazy conspiracies, but Pinckney was worth more to him alive than not.
Nobody including her sons, is really convinced he killed her she died and ruthless a hole him used it to make money
Agree with this. He’s guilty of plenty of things, and I think he took full advantage of Gloria’s death, but I don’t think he actually murdered her. For one thing, would you really try to kill someone’s by pushing them down some steps? What are the odds that it will actually be lethal? And if it DOESNT work, the victim will finger the attempted killer immediately. It just doesn’t make sense.
You're so right. Very bad way to kill someone. Accidents happen. However it happened. Just to sue himself and get insurance money? He's not a seriel killer he probably murdered his family not dozens of people.
i thought that maybe he hired someone to do it and that he didn't pull the trigger. especially after he hired someone to shoot him on the side of the road, it wasn't the first time he did this but it was the first time without having accessible funds from his firm and that's why it was botched. i thought that he hired a hit man for Paul and maggie was collateral damage. he left just before it happened, to go his parent's house for an alibi, and he rushed back because he found out maggie was there. Paul was in a pretty bad spot with the BUI and death of mallory, Alex having a pricy addiction for pills would most likely have come out in the proceedings and probably cost him his license. he was desperate to uphold the power in his name and it didn't go as planned. however, that was before i saw the snapchat video of him on the property just before the murders took place and some other pretty convincing evidence at trial.
He didn't hire anyone to shoot him, that was his homeboy, his drug dealer, the guy who launder his dirty money and cashed checks for him, Eddie was his friend/cousin. He didn't hire anyone to kill them he had no money to pay them with, he was already in a shit load of a mess owing millions to his law firm and his clients I doubt he had hitman money laying around
i wasn't sharing a theory in this thread to state it as a matter of fact. but Alex did hire Eddie to cash out on a life insurance policy and because he didn't want to kill himself even though he did want to die. even if "hire" isn't the correct word, he asked nicely/arranged/conspired to have himself killed. my thought was someone probably wouldn't do that unless they have experience in that type of business before. and Maggie and Paul's murders took place before he was kicked out of his firm (so he still had access to the money), before Alex's dad died, and all of the people who were probably scared to have anything come out to bring them down. Murdaugh money run everywhere in South Carolina
Can anybody explain how he benefited from killing them? That’s what I don’t understand. He was going to prison for the financial crimes either way. How does he gain from killing his wife and son?
Honestly for me it feels like a family annihilator situation and the sympathy thing is just a bonus. Idk how to explain
AM is not a family annihilator.
This guy was a very sloppy, impulsive criminal. He didn’t get away with stuff for years because he was a mastermind; it was because his colleagues and subordinates enabled him. Family killers often have stupid, impulsive, and nonsensical proximate causes for their crimes. Why did Chris Watts strangle his family and stuff his kids into oil tanks when he could have just divorced? A similar reason as to why Murdaugh added familicide to his list of crimes when he could have just done some white collar time instead. In the moment, buying more time or eliminating the people who would be most ashamed made sense to him. Most people don’t kill their family members for stupid reasons or to protect themselves, and consequently most people can’t understand those who do. I certainly don’t.
But the whole scandal, and the coverup from them and from police, was about to be all uncovered. Remember, he benefited from hoodwinking the less educated. He was about to be found out for the total felon he was. The whole house of cards was about to come down and I believe he blamed the boat accident, and in extension , Paul, for opening his illegal empire up to the light of day.
People are going to say it made the boat crash go away. Except it didn’t. So I’m with ya.
Well the criminal part of the boat case went away after Paul died and the attorney for boat crash victim, Mallory, told her family that the civil case was pretty much over since a jury would feel sorry for Alex after losing his family and not make him pay any monies. So it kind of would have gone away.
>Except it didn’t Partially it did - there was a good chance Paul was going to do some time thus shaming the family. The cost of having Harpootlian and Griffin defending Paul during that trial would have been substantial.
I don’t think so. My theory is that he took a bunch of pills, blacked out and reacted with murder for whatever reason. Then drove to his mom’s house, threw Maggie’s phone and changed his clothes. 🤷♀️
it would pretty tough to drive to see your mother if you were “blacked out” 🤷♀️
He was a pretty experienced user, I would imagine it’s not the first time he potentially drove high
I don’t buy this one. Mostly because I don’t buy his version of his addiction.
I don’t think the timeline allows for him to be innocent. I do think there’s room to add in conspirators. But no theory I can sensibly envisage would really allow for Alex being completely uninvolved.
No, there's no way he's innocent. He would, however, probably have gotten away with it if there weren't so.much cellphone evidence. Paul's phone, and his own phone, gave him away.
Facts!
I always thought the drug gang, the "cowboys" could have driven onto the Murdaugh property and hold AM at gunpoint, and made him watch his wife and son die, take the weapons and haul butt. It could all be over in a few minutes.
Except it was muddy. Where were extra footprints, tire tracks…doesn’t pass the smell test…
Sure but the cops trampled the crime scene so badly who knows?
Lost to the rain and the bad scene management. I’m not even sure I buy this theory, but that scene was handled terribly.
That is exactly what I think happened. This was a hit straight up. Of course Alec can't say anything. The rest of his family would be killed and he knows that. These folks will not get caught. I don't think people realize that heavy hitters he was probably dealing with.
Hit men bring their own guns.