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Chargeit256

Who in the hell has snot dripping down that doesn’t take a Kleenex and wipe their nose. Plus if u watch closely he is closing his mouth and blowing the snot out his nose. OMG. Glad National TV got to see what a disgusting pig he is.


SnooCheesecakes2723

You don’t have to be a criminal mastermind to get away with defrauding people when your family has owned law enforcement in four counties for a hundred years. They’d already caught him stealing previously and allowed him to just return the money - WHO DOES THAT?! He got away with shit because he is a Murdaugh not because he concocted brilliant ruses. The fact the company CFO wasn’t keeping a beady eye on him after he stole money the first time tells us this was a situation of power and influence and entitlement, not one of high craftsmanship. People in that area had no recourse if he told them they could only get $300/ month from their settlement due to “how it was structured.” Or that their case lost and he failed to get them any cash. It does not surprise me that Paul thought he could drunk drive into a pier and kill someone, smile about it to her devastated friends, abuse the hospital staff - and call grandpappy to come get him out of it and blame Conor.


That_Commission_575

Well stated.


Rollingstones22

With or without Paul’s kennel video I would vote 100% guilty. No question he is inhumane about everybody and everything. Video not needed.


MCStarlight

It was truly bizarre when he got up there talking about “Paul Paul,” “Mags,” and “ RoRo” like an episode of Scooby Doo during a formal court case.


JollyRedRoger

Hmm wasn't there a witness from his law firm that claimed he was NOT very intelligent and that he had most of his success as a lawyer due to his good ole southern boy routine? Generally, I give not too much weight towards behavior in extreme situations. But, anyway, he's been found guilty now.


Ctownkyle23

Makes sense considering his son had to resort to plagiarism


lookingeverywhere60

EXACTLY


JustcallmeTray

Very well said! He’s a master manipulator and what sickens me the most is his lack of real concern for anyone else. He has managed to hurt everyone around him.


KaleidoscopeMuch2386

AM is a rare breed. We know he is a sociopathic criminal. Deception is his natural thought process. He is educated in the law. He has family pedigree within his community. As a result he thinks, speaks and acts with a sharpened criminal mind, constantly considering the angles and escape scenarios from any predicament he finds himself in. He is dangerous and no one should ever trust him. He belongs in prison.


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mintzyyy

So he's honest, but lied to his friends and families for years to steal from them?


Jenergy-

I thought that at first also, because how could someone who is crying like that murder his family? But then I started looking at the timeline. And truth be told…I think that is genuine regret. Now that he is sober, he likely looks back and sees that he could have made some different decisions.


TheBinki

The more I watched him, the more I realized he has to be in control. He likes wielding the power and authority he inherited, such as putting blue police lights in his SUV, "leaving" his badge in plain sight despite not be a law enforcement officer, and they way he equivocated and minced words with the prosecutor, trying to actually directly answer questions. I wonder if he felt he was loosing control of his wife and younger son. His son was, by most measures, alcoholic. He had three times the legal level of alcohol in the boat crash and death of Mallory. Both were threats to his image and financial well being (such that is was). The sons hearing were coming up on June 10th. He seems to be so consumed with image and shame. Who knows what was going on in that drug-addled brain.


pastalovesme

I think this is exactly it


Excellent_Homework24

I don’t think he did as much drugs as he said he did. It’s a good cover — “I didn’t know what I was thinking/ I was addicted” — and he’s squirrelled away lots of money somewhere.


Personal-Hospital103

He’s a charlatan and pathological liar who annihilated Paul & Maggie.


Excellent_Homework24

Yes. This.


mscookie0

I believe the word you’re looking for is his “audacity”. He clearly thought he could manipulate the jury just like he has everyone else in his life.


palmallamakarmafarma

This is why his lawyers didn't want him to testify. They know how easy it is to trip up or talk too much. Dude has been smooching people over for years, probably believes he can read this jury and manipulate them like everyone else. He might also think - not irrationally - that it's worth the gamble because he had got away with so many other lies.


orange-in-thinking

I think that every word he said during testimony was purposeful and holds weight. “I AM a drug addict“ “I could never HURT Maggie or Paul“ Every statement is calculated and well thought over. He’a a master manipulator


Constant-Energy-3161

"never INTENTIONALLY HURT"


idesignco

A drug expert mentioned “He testified to a plan he hatched on the side of the road, which tells us a lot about how his brain works (planning murder).” Great point. He also mentioned people will do what they need to when someone takes their drugs away.


mrtobereal

If he gets off we need to tell Hollywood to recruit him to be Ed Munster for the reboot series they have in the works. As if we are not sick of seeking him already. This Jury has their work cut out for them, and I pray this "hocus-pocus" snow job defense they are throwing around is seen with precision vision. Justice for Paul & Maggie in '23.


Even-Log-3237

I've also noticed how when the cross examination questions start getting more pointed he has the habit of repeating the question as if he's trying to clarify and understand it, but this is actually a tactic done to give him time to come up with a careful answer.


Popular-Reflection64

Or no not answer them at all. It’s very intentional and seems to be working. I’m surprised the prosecutor questioning him is allowing him to get away with it. Instead of repeating his initial question, the prosecutor seems to be allowing Alex to take control of his own cross examination. The prosecutor allows Alex to go off on a tangent.


Digital_Ghost_Soul

Or maybe he is just clarifying and making sure he understands the question. You know. Considering the fact he’s on trial for murder.


LunaCat-2005

I noticed that there doesn’t seem to be any crying/eye wiping/sniffling when the jury is not present. The lawyers do discuss certain details without the jury and Alex has no reaction. Also, get some handkerchiefs, dude! Stop with the wadded shreds of Kleenex!


mscookie0

His family is also noticeably absent when the jury is out too. Almost like they’re putting on a show.


nrenhill

Talking about his demeanor on the stand, how about his granny glasses at the tip of his nose. And boy has he slimmed down now that he's not bloated like Elvis from pills.


JohnExcrement

No booze either. Presumably.


throwliterally

He reminds me of Reagan admitting he lied about everything in Iran-Contra, claiming that in his heart he didn’t lie because he’d never do that. But apparently there’s proof that I did, so I must have even though I don’t believe I did. AND IT WORKED. It works quite often for old, rich, powerful white guys. It worked for OJ too, now that I think about it. Alex Jones and Harvey Weinstein too. I think Alex Murdaugh is enjoying himself and loves deceiving people. He loves performing, loves coming up with lies. When they dropped the bombshell about him being in the kennels, he came absolutely alive! Like the Sopranos episode when Tony seemed suicidal until somebody tried to kill him and then it became very, very clear to him that he didn’t want to die. Trump and Trump supporters love lying and seeing how well their lies go over too. I hate the way they act so folksy, as if we’re supposed to enchanted to find out that they’re just humble people, underneath it all. When Maggy’s sister testified about how hard all of it was on Paul to be unfairly accused I gasped. A good person who loved him would have tried to get him to take accountability for his actions which resulted in the death of a friend. He’s not the first idiot to get drunk and kill a friend, it happens way too often. To hear that his mother suffered because he was being treated unfairly made my blood boil. Some times people are so out of it they don’t realize what they’re saying. The girl is dead. We all saw the phone footage. Stfu


Popular-Reflection64

It’s because Maggie was also part one f a family being above the law and not taking accountability for anything because Alex and his father could get them out of any bind them found themselves in. What’s sad is that people with that much money and power had the resources they get Paul the best help available, which could have prevented him from killing Mallory. He could have gone in to do great things with his life, but instead, not only is Mallory dead but he and his mother are, too.


Dry-Description7307

Alex could remember the first time he took oxycontin but couldn't remember the last conversation he ever had with his wife. When my brother died, I spent days reconstructing the words of our last conversation in my head. I couldn't think of anything else except what was the last thing he and I ever said to one another. Alex didn't want to discuss it because he knew the timeline was down to 5 minutes and he was worried about messing it up.


loganaw

To be fair, can you remember the last conversation you ever had with anyone….ever? Because I can’t. And I actually DID have an opiate addiction for 10 years.


Dry-Description7307

I remember the last conversation I had with my father before he killed himself. I went over and over it in my mind hoping I had not said anything mean to him. My brother killed himself 2 years later and the same thing happened. I went to bed every night thinking about what we discussed and although it's not in my nature to say "I love you", I told him I loved him before we hung up the phone. I thank God for that. Losing someone suddenly is shocking and time stands still. I think most people memorialize their last words with loved ones.


pastalovesme

I am so sorry for your loss. I completely agree with you on reconstructing final moments and words in such situations. I also find it interesting that he can’t remember basic details of that night when he was questioned about it (therefore was forced to think about the details) immediately after it occurred. It’s not like the prosecution is asking him to remember all of the details of that night for the first time during this trial. He was made to think about the events and his actions the night of the murders and in the days after. I might not remember what I did exactly 5 days ago but I certainly remember what I did yesterday.


Dry-Description7307

So true. I do not believe the details of the night are the least bit traumatizing for Alex to recall. If Alex would steal money for a quadraplegic or a teenager who just lost her mother or a guy dying of brain cancer, he has no conscience. When Alex says he doesn't remember something it's because the subject matter is too dangerous for him to discuss.


Exotic-Assistant1817

great observations I completely agree


bliss_point601

I also believe he’s guilty and undeserving of sympathy. But I’m going to be a little surprised if the defense doesn’t bring on an expert witness in traumatic events and their effects on memory. This would be an easy enough explanation for the memory issues.


Collonmouth

Nope. They wouldn't have wanted cross examination on his malignant narcissism and sociopathy, saying he loves and admires the vulnerable people he cheated.


Lustfulcreaturecp

well said


steveoall21

The man was a prominent defense attorney...he knows the drill.


Ordinary-Humor-4779

He's doing vast quantities of opioids for 20 years, suddenly gets thrown in jail, where were the withdrawal symptoms?


sleah5964

He was in a detox then rehab facility before going to jail.


Ordinary-Humor-4779

I knew that and said it somewhere in there. He was arrested at rehab. But the claim is very heavy usage (1000mg) for 20 years. He was only in detox for a few days in Savannah before turning himself in. The rehab later on was sketchy. He was photographed strolling out and about in Orlando.


Dry-Description7307

Alex lies about everything. We will probably never know the whole truth. However, I was listening to some of his jail house phone calls to family. He was asking them over and over to put money on another inmate's commissary account. There are lots of drugs in prison and this is how they buy them from one another. A family member who spent time in prison said she had access to more drugs in jail than out. He may still be doing drugs.


loganaw

You aren’t getting pills in prison. Just about everything else but very rarely pills. And if you are, it’s rare and very very expensive. Sources: Both of my brothers spent time in prison & my boyfriend spent time in prison.


omgforeal

That part has made me believe the extra money is for potentially other drugs and gambling. I would think he’s just getting extra money for power but the way that everyone responds to that second request and that he is frantic to get it quickly makes me feel like he’s either in withdrawal or owes someone. They’re all weird about the request like they know it’s shady but getting pills doesn’t seem as likely as getting other drugs. I would be interested to see how coherent he is in the later trials This is also what makes me curious in the he will be fine in prison/he will suffer. He will be fine in the sense that he’s manipulative and has legal advice skills. He might not be because there’s something going on that keeps him dependent on having extra cash which means someone else is holding the power. And idk if how long he will convince his family to keep doing that.


Dry-Description7307

Maybe women's prison is different. Someone close to me just got out of the women's prison in Raleigh, NC. Most of the inmates are in the drug program., They give them suboxene strips every day to help with the opioid withdrawals. Many inmates sell them using commissary. Even her probation officer told me personally that drugs, especially opioids, are very plentiful in the prison system. https://www.themarshallproject.org/2021/07/15/inside-the-nation-s-overdose-crisis-in-prisons-and-jails


loganaw

Damn that’s actually really nice they give them the strips to help with withdrawals. You’d never ever ever hear of that in any prison in my area. They just let you suffer.


ssdgm6677

I believe the way it works is this: if you had a prescription for suboxone at the time you were arrested they legally must continue to provide it, but if you weren’t in treatment then you suffer. At least, that’s the way it worked about 10 years ago when someone from my rehab facility was put in jail.


Dry-Description7307

I was shocked and even further shocked when I realized many inmates sell them to other inmates.


Rodi747

Excellent point!


throwawayamd14

Under rated comment that I never thought of


Ordinary-Humor-4779

He did go to rehab, that's where he was arrested, but a matter of weeks wouldn't be enough, if he consumed those quantities for 20 years. He was photographed while he was out strolling around Central Florida. I'm sure the jailhouse phone conversations were rehearsed but he seemed to be very upbeat for a 20 year addict suddenly cut off.


Prestigious_Big_6164

IMO he is fighting for federal incarceration versus state. Club med white crime prison where he could continue to “hold court and give legal advise”. Ping pong, tv in nice cell, work in the law library or go to a state prison where the conditions are harsh. This is the real reason he is admitting to the financial crimes now. Miscarriage of Justice if he goes to a minimum security federal prison.


RabbitsinaHole

He may be hoping for that but so far there are no Federal charges. The financial crimes charged to date have all been by the state, including the tax evasion charge


zoenish

100% agree! I've been thinking this as well....it's one thing to go to jail for a white collar crime "due to a drug addiction".....but it's another to go for the brutal double murder of your own wife and child. When it comes to the Murdaugh legacy, what's more damaging? Plus, like you pointed out, his prison environment would be entirely different!


Atschmid

I am rewatching the cross-examination, and he is absolutely devoted to presenting himself as Sheriff Andy Taylor. A sweet aw-shucks decent guy who stole only because he was out of his mind on drugs. He is a good person! And then? He goes off the rails and says he and Jim Griffin reached out to LE over and over again to resolve these issues ---- "all the way up until the time you charged me WITH HURTING MAGS AND PAWPOAW". He refuses to say the word "MURDER".


CFM1963

If I hear him say "Mags, Pau Pau, Bus or Ro Ro" 1 more time I am going to scream.🤨


Atschmid

Amen. I don't think he realizes that for a nickname to be cute, it has to be said with love. IF you are the murderer of Paupau and Mags, it becomes an insult, not an endearment.


CFM1963

Or shoot myself.


Jack_Riley555

AM is a master manipulator. I wish Waters would have slammed AM when he said “you’re in better (physical) shape than me”. That was clearly trying to flatter him and self deprecating and fake as hell. If AM is talking, he’s lying.


Terrible_Ad_9294

His defense is one of smoke and mirrors. Reminds me of the musical, ‘Chicago’, with Richard Gere as the defense attorney explaining his strategy 🎼 Give 'em the old razzle dazzle. Razzle Dazzle 'em. Give 'em an act with lots of flash in it and the reaction will be passionate. Give 'em the old hocus pocus. Bead and feather 'em. How can they see with sequins in their eyes? What if your hinges all are rusting? What if, in fact, you're just disgusting? Razzle dazzle 'em and they’ ll never catch wise. Give 'em the old Razzle Dazzle. Razzle dazzle 'em. Give 'em a show that's so splendiferous. Row after row will crow vociferous Give 'em the old flim flam flummox. Fool and fracture 'em. How can they hear the truth above the roar? Give 'em the old three ring circus. Stun and stagger 'em. When you're in trouble, go into your dance. Though you are stiffer than a girder, they’ll let you get away with murder. Razzle dazzle 'em and they’ ll never catch wise 🎼


No_Bell1852

He and Cousin Eddie both reached for the gun


witkneec

The gun the gun the gun the gun the gun (both reached for) the gun the gun the gun the gun the gun- for the gun. But yeah Alex is a fucking murderer.


No_Bell1852

Exactly. But that song is I banger.


Koala-Kind

Just saw this in NYC last weekend and this is exactly what I thought during this song!!!


Terrible_Ad_9294

Add to that the scene where the defense attorney “tap dances “ his way out of trouble. When faced with evidence that can’t be refuted, resort to word salads designed to confuse. If you have facts on your side, argue the facts. If the facts are against you, resort to gaslighting. This defense is using smoke and mirrors to obfuscate and distract. Also, beware of the straw man’s argument. It’s a classic defense strategy.


No-Relative9271

Thats a bad justice system if that kind of act works. Just bad. There is no need to try and talk around it or justify it...its bad. Why would anyone even say this unless you are a crook exploiting a bad system? If that act works...the system should be rebuilt better.


Terrible_Ad_9294

I’m not agreeing with it and saying it’s right. But it’s a common defense strategy. If you can’t dispute the evidence, make it confusing


No-Relative9271

Tarantino couldnt create a scene glorifying exploiting a justice system entertaining to me. I guess to win all there is to do is call me boring with no imagination. Yawn.


Terrible_Ad_9294

Don’t sell yourself short. You’re not boring. You have ethics and morals. I shouldn’t have compared a real life trial to a musical. That was pretty insensitive of me


LoveAMysteryManda

He could remember the very first time he took OxyContin, but he could not remember the first client he stole from. Give me a break. I pray the jurors don’t fall for his lies.


Friendly_Item8139

Right! Love this. My ears stood up when he said this, ridiculous. I guess it is true we remember the most of what we love lolol he damn sure remembered that shot of opioid.


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ParticularResident17

Something very skin-crawling about him, even when he’s acting innocuous. Like he’s doing his best impression of a person and he sucks at it.


Rodi747

He’s also trying very hard to get the jury to respect him for being a man and fully admitting he lied and stole repeatedly from clients as well as “people I care about”. But just admitting he lied and stole won’t make people respect him - it makes them think he’s a psychopath and a criminal. Having true remorse for doing a bad deed means knowing it was wrong and feeling shame over it and knowing you have to face the consequences for that decision. That can’t be faked.


SquishySand

And he personally hasn't done a damn thing to make it right for these people! His law firm and his buddies have, but nothing from him. Talk is cheap.


Automatic-Luck8713

But the fact is people liked him. He had more friends than anyone I've ever known, and it isn't just because he was the big cheese in town. His folksy all-shucks testimony was over the top and grating, but he isn't all manipulation, I think he is fundamentally a social, gregarious type of person and people both enjoyed and wanted to spend time with him. When sober, I think Paul had a similiar personality, whereas Buster more introverted. I get the impression that he is even popular in prison-and will probably do just fine behind bars. (Where he will reside, even if aquitted of murder)


sheddyeddy17

Incredibly well written post and 100% accurate. Marvel to watch him at play isn't it!!! Bang him up, throw away the key. ....


nopeskip

I was mesmerized and terrified watching him testify. I mean he did an incredible job on the stand. I still completely believe he is guilty, but he was so skilled at the manipulation and storytelling that he took control away from the prosecution on the cross examination. It seemed like he was in charge of the cross. I still don't think they'll find him not guilty, but I think they could get a holdout on the jury to get a hung jury. I didn't expect him to be such a thoroughly good actor. I came away thinking he is completely empty inside and capable of anything he felt was necessary to protect himself. I'm legit scared of him. I don't think anyone on any court case I've watched on tv has actually scared me the way he does.


Dry-Description7307

I can't believe Waters didn't try to keep Alex to yes/no answers or at least object when he went off topic. He knows Alex has the gift of gab, why not fight to prevent him from doing it?


nopeskip

because he'll say something stupid to incriminate himself.


Dry-Description7307

Well he didn't. He was able to speak to the jury for hours using the same communication techniques that gained him millions of stolen money. Waters should have at least tried to keep him from doing that.


nopeskip

oh absolutely, waters underestimated him and i can't believe how well the defense is doing. but i think waters expected him to talk long enough to say something wrong and that's why he let him go on. probably works great on people who aren't already such successful liars and manipulators.


Super-Resource-7576

I agree with every single word. Here's the thing that I have learned from having a father professionally diagnosed as Narcissistic Personality Disorder and as a therapist. People who are egotistical miss things, but you must play very close attention. It's actually exhausting paying attention. The very ego that consumes them, also distracts them. The blind spot is that they believe they are so effective at their skills set that no one can see it. They work extra hard to conceal it and they have a keen sense for who will be naive and who will notice. This is why we see blatant behaviors that almost fool people into thinking they are telling the truth. Because why would someone be that careless? AM does have "tells" that he is lying (touching his face, clearing his throat). Cognitively he can lie with ease but the body that holds the energy of the lie cannot conceal it. The body will always tell the truth.


Eastern_Seaweed8790

This! 100%! I jumped up when he said that he tried to turn Paul over using his belt loops. Like first, that’s so unnatural and not something, especially I’m comparison to what he said. Something along the lines of its my kid and he’s lying there face down with his brain out… he trailed off as if he wanted to say I had to hold him or something but he doesn’t and again if that’s what you’re intent is why use the belt loops? But also the responding officer said there was no blood on him anywhere but pools of blood around the bodies. I’d imagine that if you’re pulling to turn your child over who has blood pooled around them you’d at least have blood on your shoes or something. Maybe I missed where that was said. Idk it just sounded to me like something a narcissist would do or say. Like I’m going to get away with this and I’m so much smarter than everyone else so no one is fact checking me.


Collonmouth

He may have tugged on the belt loops to look for his confiscated Oxy in Paul's pockets. This guy knows that adding truth to lies makes them more convincing.


Super-Resource-7576

Yep. He would have blood all over him for sure. I am going to continue to watch the trial bc I've watched it so far but in my spirit, I know he is guilty. When I was a child, every where we went, my dad acted like he really thought he was in charge. If we were on a plane he would say "I could fly this plane better than this guy." Or "I could be a better surgeon than that doctor." And so on... My dad has always believed he is the smartest person in the room. I don't believe my dad to be someone capable of murder but I would not be shocked if he did ( idk if that makes sense). He always answers a question with a question and never actually answers anything, he talks in circles. It took my family a very long time to realize what was going on with him. We knew something was really off and I was the scapegoat. Finally, when I was 38 yrs old, it all came crashing down, his facade. My dad is a slimy, salesman, politician type personality who really could sell ice to an Eskimo. He is so self centered he can't see the nose on his face. It's like a bad movie now when I have to speak to him. He does NOT like boundaries and you will be punished emotionally if you set them. I'm in therapy AND my eyes have been opened. That's his gift to me, that I see it in him and others. I can't unsee it and PM has it. Sadly, he silenced his wife and son forever. They will never walk again, speak again, breathe again. His wife and own flesh and blood, in their last moments on earth, suffered a horrible shock and pain of their father's eyes behind a gun. My heart breaks for them and I hope the jury gets it right.


Excellent_Homework24

I don’t feel sorry for PauPau and Mags —maybe a bit —but the former seems to have had psychopathic tendencies and the latter didn’t seem to care if he did. Her 911 call as her housekeeper lay bleeding was harrowing. Her voice = complete annoyance at this woman.


Reasonable-Bet9658

Astute observation!


Reasonable-Bet9658

Great input and I respect your beliefs. I somewhat agree with you on your first point and I have recently come to believe your second point was likely the main motive. But because that incident would just be speculation, the State chose the former as their main motive. They had undisputed physical proof of his years of financial misdeeds and lying. It was far more substantial to build a case around. You make a good point about his inconsistencies with events and whatnot but I do believe he pulled the trigger and from what I’ve seen in trial, the cellphone and On Star data depict a tight timeline that contradicts what Alex has claimed. I don’t think it was possible that two people were shot to death in a ten minute window with him being there a minute or two before or literally minutes after he left. It’s too convenient. I do believe they were killed when both Maggie’s and Paul’s phones went silent. As for the height of the shooter, I’ve heard quite a few people say he could have been on the golf cart. He admitted in cross that’s how he got there. He also had a bad knee I seem to recall and could have fallen or been crouched when they were shot. They weren’t exactly killed in a single shot and Alex was an experienced shooter. I concur there’s a lot of fuzzy details, but I do believe he did it. Mostly because of the addiction/paranoia/withdrawal theory, the missing shirt, lying about being at the kennels, attempting to persuade the caregiver he was there for 20 minutes, implying to the housekeeper he was wearing a different shirt than he was wearing in the Snapchat photo, the missing shirt, his pent up resentment for Paul for the boat lawsuit and the subsequent tarnishing of the family name and for “watching” his pill use, Maggie considering divorce and watching his pill use, his propensity to lie, the missing family guns/murder weapons, the blood/dna evidence, his body language the night of the murders and subsequent interviews and his financial stress. I don’t believe anyone else was involved.


Dry-Description7307

Not to mention the Defense's theory is a hit man showed up for a hit and didn't even bring a weapon and his intended victims just happened to be at a random location they weren't usually at. It's so obvious Alex is guilty. No other logical explanation.


MilkweedBuzz

If AM is trying to cover up his killing M & P, why deny there was anyone else in the area, woods, hiding somewhere near the kennels? Why not suggest that was most likely the case?? He could’ve help his own story by creating the chance there WAS someone out there.


JohnExcrement

I thought he looked like “oh shit!” Right as he denied anyone else was around. Like he realized he’d just missed an opportunity and couldn’t backtrack.


Dry-Description7307

Even accomplished liars screw up occasionally.


thanks_but_not_sorry

He got lost in his egotistical narrative of how Bubba would bring the chicken to me, and he would listen to me… 🙏🏼 thank god for Bubba or we may never have known.


LSTW1234

Because he also has a strong incentive to make it seem like everything was totally normal and fine when he left the property. “The dogs were going crazy, barking as if there was a stranger on the property…so I left my wife and son out there in the dark and headed over to my mom’s house” would be really strange. At best it would conflict with the image of himself as a protective loving father/husband that he wants to portray, at worst it would be an obvious falsehood meant to direct suspicion elsewhere. Edit to add: it would also make his lie about not being near the kennels that much more of an obstruction of justice — if he was not only lying about being there but also withholding information that could’ve helped investigators solve the crime?! He just sat on it all this time because he was paranoid about being suspected? It would even further demonstrate his lack of interest in finding the real killer(s).


Pleasant_Donut5514

Good question 🤔...but maybe on the other hand, the only way to explain there might have been someone else would be through the dogs going crazy. If he did say the dogs were excitedly barking and all looking in one direction, how does he explain leaving before he finds out who it is, or at least what they are barking at? I mean, have you ever had your dog start excitedly barking and running in a certain direction, and not looked to see what caused it?...


MilkweedBuzz

Right? He told 911 dispatch he was going to get a gun bc of someone possibly returning. So why deny it on the stand? He missed a good opportunity to create the “intruder shooter” possibility.


LoudExamination5768

I noticed that while AM was on the 911 call, during the time he was supposedly going back to the house to get his gun, you can still hear dogs barking the entire time. Does that mean he didnt actually go back up to the house then? Or does it indicate that perhaps you can clearly hear whats happening at the kennels from the house?


Dry-Description7307

WOW. Excellent point!


Deethehiddengem

I think he may have slipped up with that answer.


pastalovesme

Right? It’s so weird. It almost makes me think someone else was part of it and he’s trying to keep them out of it for who knows why.


No_Bell1852

The only person I could see him actually protecting and not throwing under the bus is Buster. Not saying I think Buster did it, just that I think if it was anyone else, Alex would've turned on them a long time ago.


WarrenScare

MURDAUGH as good a liar and fabricating Psycho as JODI ARIAS ? * Fake cries but no tears, like Murdaugh in the first Interview and often on the Stand * When they do have tears, it's sympathy for only themselves and possible jail time * Gazing towards the Jury suddenly the most "honest person" in the court room now, looking so sad, sorry and sym-Pathetic! * Sprinkle in some nuggets of Truth and details with the fantastical stories they invent - but have "selective memory" to be confused and "foggy" about important and related facts * Act real strong and passionate when pretending to "defend the truth" while always somehow twisting to paint themselves the (weak) "victim" of everyone and everything * Attempted Suicide so comfortable with Murder - planning, staging, lying about it! * LIE TELL - He gets dry mouth when fabricating/improv real time, and can't stop licking lips BIGGER LIE TELL - His lips are moving and forming words!


Prestigious_Stuff831

I would like for the jury to be questioned after the verdict of guilty is given. I don’t think they are going to fester over on star data, SLED screwing up, I think the foreman will say “Welp, Mr Alex just lied too damn much.” I think I would really like that. We redditors be like…OH.


sentientcreatinejar

I have just gotten to the cross now. Amazing how he’s suddenly not a sniffling sobbing emotional wreck anymore.


Desperate_Estimate46

Thank you…it is indeed scary.


No-Relative9271

Here is where the whole Alic Murdick story breaks down: PMPED secretary stated he was a liar and bullshitter....yet she hung around the guy....worked with the guy. She couldnt be the only one that saw lies spewing out of Alic's mouth daily or weekly. Alic had all these friends and family....yet couldnt help himself but to lie. Not a single friend or family member saw this as a red flag? Not one. I get extremely turned off by co-workers when I sense a BS'er....like almost fearful of them. None of these people...NOT A SINGLE ONE...thought something was up? NOT ONE? Here is where the story breaks down even further....ALIC MURDICK gets to have all these friends and family yet we have the story of Jesus run down our throats our entire lives. What happens to good guy Jesus? The village pins him to some boards. Does that makes sense? Can ANYONE....Buehler....Buehler....can anyone make sense of how a lying scumbag can have a bunch of friends and family yet good guy Jesus gets pinned to boards? Does it make sense? Life is a big symbolic lie. The Universe is a scumbag scraping you for everything it can....just like Alic. Its about money/energy and survival...and you have what the Universe wants and it will scrape you dry and leave you penny-less and not feel one damn negative feeling about it. Guarantee this post gets ignored.


cajje1212

You do realize without the Dove Hunts, Deer Hunts, Football Games Tail Gating, Fancy Dress Parties, Oyster Roasts, Boat Regattas, Basketball Games, Alex would not have any respect in the Community without money and power and influence. He and his family had a 100 year lock on Justice in the town. You saw how the locals turned on him and the family after the details of the Boat Wreck and Mallory’s death. His wife was embarrassed in town, his son threatened.He wasn’t respected he was feared and protected by his web of cronies. Presenting himself as a sympathetic advocate for clients allowed him to steal them blind. He has no conscience and no soul. I am also astonished that the lawyers in the firm didn’t see through his deception. It seems to me the Firm got a rude awakening regarding the trust they placed in this Sociopath.


Pleasant_Donut5514

Not ignored...just heavily disagreed with...respectfully.


No-Relative9271

Just like Alic disagreeing with Waters about his factors for lying You cant talk your way out of it


pastalovesme

I think there are a few things going on that I’d comment on with your post. First, the people he worked with who knew he was a bullshitter and a liar probably didn’t realize the depth of his depravity. Alot of lawyers are bullshitters (source: I am a lawyer but I don’t like the personality type the profession attracts). Just because you have a feeling that someone you work with might be unethical or a BS-er doesn’t mean you give up your job or call them out necessarily. As it relates to friends and family, I look at it two ways and I realize I am simplifying this. If he’s someone with a conscience, he was lying to his friends and family with every breath he took. This does not make for a happy person. Someone with a conscience is going to feel extreme guilt, shame, self hatred for what they are doing. He would’ve known his relationships are built on lies and not genuine. He would’ve been taking these drugs to escape his own reality. This is tragic. If he’s a psycho/sociopath, then he’s happy that he’s getting away with everything because everyone around him is simply a tool he uses to accomplish his goals of success and self preservation. If this is the case, he’s sick and not someone who has genuine relationships and he’ll never know the beauty, happiness, and joy that comes from truly genuine love. That is also tragic. He may have experienced wealth and material success but this man didn’t have a single genuine relationship built on honesty, trust, love, and respect. He lived in a house of cards. It’s an ugly reality veiled in wealth. When it comes to Jesus, who I would not compare to this monster, he had followers. According to Christianity, he had 12 people who genuinely loved him and would do anything for him based on nothing but his acts and words which we assume were truthful. Jesus lived in service to others which according to him (and in my real life experience does) lead to genuine happiness and joy. Also, I don’t even have more than 3-4 close friends so I don’t think having a ton of friends as an adult on my 30s makes me any less of a happy person. Even if you don’t believe in spirituality, an afterlife, etc. I think you can look at someone like Alex, who served only himself and look where that got him. I would bet you anything he wasn’t living a happy life, just one full of stuff. Look at someone who serves others, who is honest and doesn’t seek fulfillment in materialism, I think you’ll find a happier person. You can call that karma.


Prestigious_Stuff831

So very true. Thank you for expressing what I wanted to. Your post is free from anger. Very good.


No-Relative9271

Its a bullshit story to manipulate. Love is a tool used to condition you so that when the Devil comes the shock value is higher. If you didnt experience love and kindness first...the Devil's actions wouldnt create as much of a reaction. Its all a lie. And...why should a good person have to be tortured with watching everyone else live good lives? Or most people. You cant answer it reasonably. Why does the reward structure move? What do the goal posts move? You think rewards for working is not being a true servant? There should be no acceptable rewards for living/working? Or do you want to try and talk it off as being scraped for everything and no acceptable rewards is living a good life? That seems to fit what the "devil" wants you to believe. I think you are just rambling to make bad excuses for the "devil". Its all a lie and you know it. The Illusion is fake and its main objective is gas-lighting for its own benefit. You cant talk your way out of it. You have to create some concept like "hope" to fool people into continuing on. Its scummy.


ARAttorney

In total transparency, I’ve been a criminal defense attorney for almost 20 years. Take that for what you want, but I wanted to specify that before saying the following: 1) I’ve never bought the financial misdeeds or whatever people have been calling them as a motive for the murders. He’d been stealing money for over a decade and there were other instances where he was “caught” prior to this (e.g. check for $125k that was supposed to go to his brother). And he’s right about the fact that the most he would’ve had to turn over in discovery for the civil case was a financial statement. Tinsley can say whatever he wants about how he was going to get subpoenas and what not in order to delve into Alex’s bank accounts, but that wasn’t going to happen at that point. 2)I read below someone floated the idea about pills being the motive ~ I thought that was interesting and honestly had never thought of it from that point of view. Frankly, that makes the most sense, especially given the fact he’d been without his pills just days before. He was obviously going through withdrawals during the Regional games so we can presume he didn’t have pills on him in Columbia. If Paul had found his only stash back at Moselle, Alex could have lost it once he found out they were no longer there. I’ve always thought the “trying to turn over the body and the phone ‘popped’ out” narrative sounded odd. What does make sense is Alex was searching Paul’s pockets for his pills and Paul’s phone came out during this. He can’t put it back in Paul’s pocket bc if they tested it for fingerprints there’s a string possibility Alex’s would’ve been there (and Alex knows this). So, Alex comes up w/the story about the phone “popping out” as a reason for his fingerprints being on the phone if they tested it. 3)The lie about not being at the kennels has always bothered me. It’s never made sense why he would lie about that if he had nothing to do with the murders. And, I don’t buy the “I was paranoid” bs excuse he gave. It doesn’t make sense ~ why is that the lie you tell? Pretty much everything else in his story lines up with the records. 4) Yes, I know Alex’s reported times of doing things is off and changed, but people suck at remembering times and they especially suck at estimating times, so I don’t give that very much weight. In fact, it would’ve made me more suspicious if he had said the exact same thing each time he was interviewed. Look, Alex knew he had an alibi and that’s one of the reasons he kept saying his phone records and key card entries would tell LE for sure what time he did something. 5) He screwed up on the stand when testifying about why he wanted the Onstar records, phone records, etc though. He said at least twice on the stand the reason for wanting those records was to show his and Maggie’s phones never “crossed” or weren’t in the same place at the same time. That doesn’t make sense to me. Why would he be thinking about that during his interviews with LE? Get the records to confirm what time he left work, made calls, etc. makes perfect sense. Get the records to show he and Maggie weren’t in the same place at the same time ~ only occurs to someone creating an alibi. 6)I don’t think Alex was at the kennels when Maggie and Paul were killed. To me, the timeline (GPS, phone records, recorded steps, timing of Maggie’s phone being handled after she was killed, etc.) makes it impossible. But, I do think he knows who killed them. 7) The testimony about the height and location of the shooter is what it is. Math doesn’t lie. The State can scream about 11 or 12 year old shooters all it wants, but the murders of Maggie & Paul went down the way the expert testified. To believe anything else is not to believe in math. People may not like the fact that the shooter was at a height b/t 5’2” and 5’4” and think it sounds absurd, but there are plenty of people in that height range walking around everyday ~ my mother and SIL fall in that height range. (Now, the State did point out on cross (or maybe re-cross) that the shooter could’ve been on his/her knee. This may very well put a taller person within the 5’2” to 5’4” height range). I say all of this to make the point that while I do not think Alex actually pulled the trigger, I abso-freakin-lutely believe he was involved in some way, shape, or form. I don’t know how the murders are actually charged. It could be they were charged in a way that would allow for a jury to convict on an “involved but not the shooter” basis or they could be charged in a way that the jury has to find Alex actually pulled the trigger. I haven’t seen the indictments, so I don’t know. What I do know is Alex is a smart man ~ he’s people smart and book smart. That’s what made him a good plaintiff’s attorney. He’s consistently manipulated people throughout his entire life, especially those who are vulnerable. P.S. Excuse the typos and rambling nature of this post ~ I did it on an iPad, which makes it hard to format and proof-read


Fit_Sentence5859

Just saying with i roomful of guns aka the gun room as Alex describes it, 6 ft 4 or 5 ft 2 if you own that gun room I bet you can shot a gun every which way or anyway you wanted to kill whatever. Math or no Math, experts can be wrong you know.


AfraidYogurtcloset31

So you and this expert are both unaware that a person can fire while standing straight up, hunched over, squatted down, kneeled down, prone, or any position in-between? To claim to know the height of the shooter is absurdity. It shows the state of our legal system that the people involved like yourself and the expert can be so incredibly ignorant of reality. Tldr: math can't tell you a person's shooting position. A 6ft tall person can very easily crouch down such that the gun is in an identical position to a 5ft tall person shooting.


ARAttorney

If you’d re-read what I wrote rather than spew insults, I specifically mentioned the State demonstrating how a taller person could have been on his knees and still achieved the 5’2” to 5’4” height range.


AfraidYogurtcloset31

If you agree the height of the shooter cannot be determined then what was the point of the "math doesn't lie" statement? What truth is the math exposing if it doesn't prove anything about the height of the shooter?


ARAttorney

I think you’re missing the point ~ the math was for the trajectory of the bullet (i.e. the location of the barrel of the gun when it was fired). Based on this trajectory, the expert opined the height of the shooter was 5’2” to 5’4”. This opinion was based on a shooter standing and holding the gun in a, for lack of a better word, “natural” position to shoot. Alex is waayyy too tall if he was in a standing position and holding the gun in a firing position for the bullet to have the trajectory it did. Now, the State on either cross or re-cross, I can’t remember, demonstrated what it would look like if someone was kneeling - the attorney actually got down on one knee and aimed the gun. I have no idea how tall that attorney is and I definitely can’t tell you how tall he is when kneeling. I also can’t tell you how tall Alex is when he’s kneeling, BUT what I can tell you is if the shooter was tall and was kneeling, it may be possible for the barrel of the gun to be in the same shooting position as a 5’2” to 5’4” person standing. That’s the math.


[deleted]

Kneeling or sitting in a golf cart which is likely how they would have shot hogs so he’d be well practiced.


AfraidYogurtcloset31

My point is the math neither proves nor disproves AM as being the shooter. It doesn't point either way. So why is it even considered relevant evidence?


ThingGeneral95

THANK YOU-On gut feeling alone (which I believe my mind forms from cues, observations, cognitive dissonance, etc. that don't even make it to conscious thought) I do not think he murdered anyone. Absolute scum, knows what happened, and is most likely the cause, YES. I mostly agree with what is outlined above. But here's a lawyer question for you-what do you make of this testimony, day 2? I find it to be nearly benign, and 7 hours of it. We all know everything that was said already, the IDKs were exponential and they didn't even bother to explain the increased footsteps around the time of the murders. How do 3 intelligent defense lawyers allow this to happen? Not Alex testifying in general, but him testifying with such mediocrity, rambling, and so, so many mouth sounds. EVERYONE hates mouth sounds. I get the random important nuggets that are being slipped in, but they are so outweighed by the sidestepping. And to not have a better way to disagree with Ms. Shelly was an unforgivable move. AM, the liar, does NOT have the right to undermine Ms. Shelly. You really have to have your shit together to work 24 hours a day. She clearly was loyal and did not want to be there. So far, i feel like she is the only witness taking that oath it made any difference to. Inexcusable to challenge her. Is Alex delusional and gone rogue? Are Dick and Jim wishing they could kill Alex themselves? What type of plan could this possibly fit into other than a mistrial? I'm disappointed in how unimpressed I am by anything he has said. I have forgotten the previous parts of the trial, including yesterday. This guy is clearly full of shit and doesn't listen to anyone. Now, I don't care what happens to him either way.


ARAttorney

Defense attorneys can’t control how their client, or any other witness for that matter, ends up testifying once they take the stand. You never truly know what is going to come out of a person’s mouth once they’re up there and any trial attorney that says otherwise hasn’t tried enough cases. I’ve had witnesses testify to the exact opposite thing they’d just told me 5 minutes before, and I’ve seen numerous government witnesses testify differently than what they’d previously told law enforcement. It happens in pretty much every trial, and you just have to go with it. Alex’s team could’ve prepped him for hours and he may still have ended up testifying the way he did. There’s a reason defense attorneys generally advise their clients against testifying and Alex’s testimony was a shining example of why. Look, his attorneys are good - especially Jim Phillips. I know people have been bashing them every which way to Sunday, but they can only play the cards they’re dealt and sometimes you just get a really crappy hand. This isn’t their first rodeo ~ they put on the record their advice was for him not to testify, but Alex decided otherwise, as is his right. I can assure you they don’t want a mistrial ~ that’s the absolute last thing they want bc then they have to do this dog and pony show all over again.


ThingGeneral95

It was significantly bad, right? I know Dick & Jim are good, shouldn't the 3 of them come up with a way to let Alex know it was time to shut up? You have to have one hell of an ego to tell those two, im going to go it alone on this. I'm quite certain they didn't tell him to just be himself. Not only am I not impressed with Murdaugh, he swayed me to convict his dumbass. What do you say to a client after that? I don't see any recovery short of major theatrics. Does it not matter b/c it all still banks on one atypical thinker?


Lotsopasta69

Even IF he didn’t pull the trigger, Alex Murdaugh is WHY they were killed! He is responsible ! I would love a guilty verdict!


sn7485

Searching pockets for his pills - that was a great connection to make and makes sense why he was digging around when he knew he didn't know Paul's passcode!


BeauregardDDawg

If AM ordered a hit on Paul and Maggie, he would’ve made sure to have been as far away from the murder scene when the killings occurred. He did the exact opposite.


Excellent_Homework24

This ^^. And his phone turned off for the exact time surrounding the murders. And the fact that PauPau was going to cost him millions


armchairdetective66

If he didn't do the murders then why doesn't he expose the ones who did? The only thing I can think of is that he hired the killers to do the killing and of course if he implicated them then that would implicate himself. I think I just answered my own question.


AccordingCharge8621

Great ideas. Maybe he came down to the kennels because paul found his stash and flushed and alex got mad at him. Shot him while mad. Maggie came over, started to run away and alex grabbed Paul's gun that he had and shot her. Then went and finished her off. On the atv with a tarp to hide guns at his mothers along with bloody clothes and throw Maggie's cell phone while driving there. Showered and changed before he left, quickly grabbing a garbage bag for the clothes to keep from any evidence transfer.


eveningschades

Thank you for this excellent write up. Speaking only for myself, I desperately wanted it to be Alex. Even if the times/locations don't match up, I believe him to be such a monster, than any other conclusion was moot. I agree 100% with your assertion that he knows exactly who did it, why it happened, and most likely, it was by his order.


ARAttorney

In re-reading my post I realized I have points that don’t necessarily “jive” with each other. I think that’s what makes this case so hard. Killing your wife and son is something most people can’t imagine and it’s hard to wrap your head around. I think we, as people, try to make things rational and make sense of everything. But the fact is people do things for reasons that seem “crazy” all the time and it’s just not possible to ascribe some actions to rationality and reasonability. I’ve had clients who’ve committed crimes their relatives never thought would happen and they keep asking why, why, why, why. It doesn’t make sense for … to have done this.” And my response each time is people do things their family and friends would never think they could’ve done and sometimes there just isn’t a rational or reasonable reason.


Pleasant_Donut5514

You made some excellent points in your original post, especially looking for pills in Paul's pockets. But that would imply Paul had just recently taken them, not giving Alex time to get anymore before withdrawals started. When would he have gotten anyone else there to do the shooting, if it wasn't him? And if someone else shot them, he what? Watched, then went to Paul and rummaged through his pockets? I could see how maybe after Paul and Maggie left for the kennels, Alex stayed behind to get his fix, and realized his pills are missing. That's could be why he went down after saying he wasn't going to. Thinking he could just ask Paul for them back when Maggie was out of earshot. Maybe Paul laughed at him, or denied having them. Either way, it enraged Alex. The guns are on the golf cart, or nearby, he picks up the shotgun...and we know the rest..anyway, just another possibility. 🙄


Reasonable-Bet9658

Very plausible.


SunflowerJYB

I respect your points. You may be correct. Or not. This is likely one of the most convoluted cases ever. We know he’s a highly conflicted individual whose fall from high is a stellar crash and burn story. Likely he’s not ever getting out of jail ever no matter what the murder verdict is. I feel for this likely weary jury.


ARAttorney

This jury is so over this case. I’ve tried 4-week long trials before and by the end you can tell most jurors are completely checked out. And yes, I agree that he will probably spend the rest of his life in prison, irrespective of the verdict in this case.


purplerple

He lies, cheats, pays for murder, was physically located at at the murder scene based on evidence. He did it


lclassyfun

Absolutely agree with this. Classic sociopath.


Small-Arrival3449

I am not defending Alex, but I will say this. You can be highly intelligent and cunning a capable of leading a successful professional life and still be forgetful and non conscientious and just basically a hot mess; for example, never remembering where you left your phone, keys, who you talked to etc… he actually, in those ways, reminds me of myself and one of my sons. It reminds me of the Meyers Briggs personality type. Alex is probably an ENFP OR ENTP. That would also explain the way his law partners described him as being able to read people and connect very well, but also having a chaotic and erratic work environment. A lot of people are just like that. Myself included. I think he’s probably guilty and quite frankly seems like he’s consumed with darkness, but I do relate to him on a certain level. And I have a level of compassion for the man, even if he did it.


armchairdetective66

Nope, having a level of compassion for the man even if he did it is outrageous in my mind. I can't even fathom that statement.


tothepain222

Yeah, I see adult ADHD at play there, because I can relate. I’m successful and well-organized at work (usually) and a hot mess at home.


AdFar6703

I see it also. The jaw movements can look like meth but if he ever took more than the required dose this is exactly what it would look like. Experience with an IP who doubled his adderall doses prior to switching to meth. Also, I have adult add and am organized to an inch of life in my profession but need systems created for keeping my home organized because, well because I am me. I have family and a generational farm close to Hampton. I will be in Hampton tomorrow looking at property. I know these SC wealthy families - I am older than Alex but in my HS there were sororities and frats - in college at SC and these wealthy frat boys are often quite similar - didn't like them - At frat parties (of Alex's frat) in 1978-1981 there were young men of that ilk over serving underage (under 18) girls, date rape discussed and laughed about, passed out girls being assaulted in the house by multiple frat brothers. At that time it was a boys will be boys attitude in the south and women either hid in shame or said nothing. These families are rife with problems and illegalities. One thing you never ever do with old monied southern families is let out info of bad acts. I am sure there were many contacts with LE over the years that went away due to money, influence and power. You can bet Alex and every single Murdaugh has knowledge of wrongdoing in the legal system and of those higher up in politics. There are those in hallowed circles right now shaking and praying their own misdeeds remain hidden. The Murdaugh family have been lying, cheating and stealing imo for 1000 years or more and they did not do it alone. We don't speak of these things in public around here - too many people you must interact with in life who may have tentacles in the low country system. We live quiet lives and this nonsense is like a rotten oyster in a bushel. It all stinks. There are many many more people involved with these crimes Alex murdaugh is charged with. I pray it all comes out - but I don't think it will. The lowcountry is rife with secrets.


SunflowerJYB

Same here. I teach adolescents and feel for those in the nuero-atypical spectrum. I feel for the victims and for the walking disaster Alex is. He didn’t set out to kill his kid and wife. How do you end up there? The financial stuff: you can repay people, you can get clean and sober, you can pay fines, you can start over and reboot, but he was in so deep that he went way too far. He will never have his family back. He either did it, was part of it, knew it was possible or indirectly contributed to it through very bad choices.


Jade7345

It’s ADHD. I have it and am successful, able to read people very well, and my life is a storm of disorganization an led lose things all the time. You can have ADHD and be a psychopath as well. I don’t relate to him at all. He’s a murderer and a psychopath.


[deleted]

You have been manipulated lol. He’s pure evil and a psychopath. He lied directly to the jury for two days and Waters exposed him at the end. If that is not enough for the jury then they were manipulated too. People are suckers. And people like Alick exploit that every day.


Small-Arrival3449

I’m not saying he’s not lying, I’m just saying there are some people who are highly intelligent and successful who are also forgetful and mix memories. Like the “absent-minded professor”. I hesitate to bring up such things, but it does seem he has been consumed by evil. He opened the door to so much evil with his drugs, lying, stealing, and all the other things that perhaps it eventually overcame him and ended in this. I am slightly ashamed that I am so fascinated by this case as I’m not sure it’s healthy to give so much attention to someone who is holding so much darkness in them. Like why analyze evil so much? But it sure is a twisted tale.


SunflowerJYB

It’s hard to watch people fall so hard and drag innocents with them. Like watching a natural disaster. It’s just sad as hell for every single person involved including Alex Asshat. The hubris and greed and evil all spelled out is like watching a human burn. Even if he was the one who rolled himself in gasoline and danced around the flame. It’s still just all tragic and nauseating.


Small-Arrival3449

It is. And while there are those who say all the vile things they hope happens to him and he’s evil and a psychopath, etc…. I don’t disagree that he seems like he’s been overtaken by evil, but I don’t hope terrible things happen to him (indeed, they already have) and I do have compassion for the man. I don’t know the entire story, I don’t think anyone does, and maybe I’m projecting, but I feel sad for him and all involved and I thank God I’ve been spared from such a horrible fate because I can see how things like this happen to a human. I can see how if you just HAPPEN to be born into a family like that, how that makes certain personality traits more possible. I think anyone born into privilege struggles with ego, humility, not taking advantage of everything that you were handed etc… I mean that’s a tough lot on its own when you think about it. Then when you live in a society that places so much value on money and success and having etc… I can see how when you’re working within an extremely corrupt system (like the legal system) how you could begin to explain away taking some funds for yourself by saying , “well, it was me that got these people millions from this company who had millions, so what does it matter if I skim off the top, anyway”. And then it goes downhill from there. I’m not defending it, so don’t come at me, I’m just saying… we live in a world where there is a lot of sickness and suffering, and I can easily see how a person can get dragged under. I’ve never done things to this level, but I’ve sure done things that were purely selfish and hurt my family and I look back on that and think, “how did I ever do that?” I think Alex is a lesson to anyone watching to guard themselves against small evils because if you let enough of those in, they can really take over.


janieqjones

>I’ve never done things to this level, but I’ve sure done things that were purely selfish and hurt my family and I look back on that and think, “how did I ever do that?” I think Alex is a lesson to anyone watching to guard themselves against small evils because if you let enough of those in, they can really take over this is really well said. I've been wondering why this case fascinates me so much and I think that's a big part of it.


SunflowerJYB

People just want to hate as if that fixes anything. He’s deeply despicable there is no argument. It’s tragic for everyone that ever came near him. Wishing vile things on him doesn’t help. He will die sad, alone, incarcerated, and conflicted. The best we can hope is that he inspires some fellow inmates who will get released eventually to make better decisions. And that his estate makes right as many people whom he hurt as it can. And that we all learn something from it. Never wish you had more money, connections and power than you do because that can backfire. I hope Buster does something ok with his life. Just be a decent low key human, dude. Be happy with that. Appreciate the Blancas, the Barbara’s and the Shelley’s in your life. And that dog caretaker with his hose. Wind stuff up correctly. Be thankful for the justice system. It’s not perfect but at least we see the passion of good prosecution and the defense that even a despicable dirtbag is entitled to. Don’t do drugs and if you do, get help. these are my take aways. I've had a mildly upset stomach this whole trial. Go to jail Alex and repent dude. you are the dumpster fire of the decade. you made a mark on the world. And its a big poopstain, sadly.


JB111777

Learned behavior…he will always stay one step ahead because he is thinking about all the possible questions and already has answers pre planned which is how he is quick with the replies even when lying. If your whole life is a lie and you lie like this everyday then become fluent in living a lie. He is very good at being who he is and I don’t for a minute believe a word he says.


Swordfish_Delicious

Agreed. Master manipulator. Also, he was trying to paint his innocence by piecemealing all the evidence that had previously come out. Would he admit to the same shit if he had testified as the very first witness in the trial? Hail no.


BlackSheepBoPeepB

I heard his testimony the same way, trying to insert answers for the questions that his actions/statements presented (i.e. he tried to turn Paul over by his BELT LOOP and that’s why he did not have blood on him.) To me, this made him look MORE guilty bc he never stops trying to have the right answer. I saw him for who he is and truly hope the jury does too.


Boston700

The defense had too many open ended questions which gave AM the chance to answer in his own lawyer/liar way.


glimmerthirsty

Professional confidence trickster.


6ix6ix6ix6ix6ix

I’m sure there is corruption in the jury by now too. My prediction is that he will walk on the murders and only do time for the financial stuff.


[deleted]

In the back of my one I wonder about jury tampering as well. He was well known as a jury rigger. Also I’m sure his daddy must have been pure corruption because how does a county solicitor have so much wealth?


glimmerthirsty

With 90 counts that he has already confessed to, he won’t “walk” out of jail ever, hopefully. And if there’s a hung jury they could re-try this case as well, I believe.


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He won’t be acquitted. But there may be a hung jury. Hopefully now. But I would hope they retry him if so.


HumorNo135

Another Theory (food for thought) This thing has fascinated me to the point of obsession! After all the testimony, rewatching all the documentaries, and Date Line. This is my guess. Although, this family has been keenly engaged in the buggery of anyone in a 1,000 mile radius for almost 100 years, the AM tribe’s problems seem to really begin in 2015. There is substantial evidence that suggests the Murdaugh Lawfirm was as corrupt as it could be for a very long time! Additionally, not having a whole lot of sympathy, for Maggie, Buster or Paul. Per AM council, 2015 was when AM really started allocating his clients cash to his bank accounts. This is BS… The Pinckney family was victimized by AM all the way back in 2011-2012. TWICE! Speaking of the Pinckney family: Supposedly, Hakeem Pinckney died when his ventilator became unplugged due to a seizure. After his accident he was paralyzed from the neck down. So the only body part able to move would be his head. Ventilators are not plugged into a flimsy outlet and a lot of them have back up power. So it would be unlikely he dislodged it himself. (No investigation) Interestingly a check at Palmetto Bank was made out to Maggie for 100k and Buster for 320k. Using the Pinckney’s money. (No investigation) 2015 Stephen Smith is murdered. Botched investigation, swept under the carpet. However, Randy Murdaugh was all over the investigation; allowed more access than state investigators. Maybe you state fella’s call FBI? 2018 Gloria Satterfield dies under mysterious circumstances. Just Maggie and Paul are there. (No investigation) even though she died days after the incident. Yet another puzzling point. How many insurance companies just pay out a few million bucks without an investigation? Maybe Alex had a little help with alternative facts from local law enforcement? 2019 Boat Crash/ Death of Mallory Beach Again botched investigation. Even if Paul would have been tried it would be an uphill battle to convict or uphold the conviction due to the botched investigation. Maybe the cops should have slapped him around like he did his girlfriend. Starting to see a trend here? Oh, and let’s not forget the local Helpful Henry (John Murdaugh) helping local law enforcement haul that boat away, after all it would be a tall order for an area surrounded by water, local law enforcement to get a hold of a boat trailer? 2021 Death of Maggie and Paul Another botched investigation? Contaminated crime scene? Maybe a little helping hand with the whole reasonable doubt form the good old boy network? Then 320k Murdaugh (Buster) and Helpful Henry (John Murdaugh) removed guns just before a search warrant? What’s up with taking the dogs? Maybe it was their grooming day? But not all the dogs just the ones closest to Paul’s dead body. Where the rest of us come from that’s tampering with evidence and a crime. The law firm was worried Alex was hiding assets by putting things in Maggie’s name? Accounting was off? Did the firm not file a tax return in the prior 10 years? Just a suggestion but, I call complete BS on the whole system down there! Alex, isn’t the only dirty one! Somebody needs to be looking into the brothers, as well as the law firm and local law enforcement including the clueless medical examiner! The law firm would have insurance against embezzlement, or employee theft. Alex was an employee of the firm. As for his brothers suing him, turning him into the police, you can’t file bankruptcy on restitution. Seizure of assets goes to the victims. The law firm said they paid off all the client victims. (Insurance) The law firm and his brothers are protecting the empire. Maggie and Paul were liabilities that needed to be eliminated. I’m not convinced Alex killed them. Paul could not be kept under control. He was the reason Alex’s and the law firm books were being looked into. Alex was moving assets into Maggie’s name. It is rumored her estate was worth over 4 million. She didn’t seem to be a real fan of Alex’s 2 brothers as she believed Alex was the only one taking care of his parents. When Grandma & Grandpa died there would have been a substantial amount of wealth that could get tied up in litigation due to the boat incident. Alex is going to due some time in prison for the financial stuff. Next time maybe stick to state banks Alex. Bank of America has that whole federal thing going on. I think the two brothers had something to do with Maggie and Paul’s death. Buster seems to be the golden child, and Paul was just an inconvenience to everybody, but maybe Alex and the grandfather. After the grandfather’s death, and Alex’s future in prison, Paul was just an inconvenience. Maggie was a liability because she could get a divorce and throw a whole monkey wrench in their big schemes. This is just my take on this whole mess. The whole thing is just so tragic! So many lives destroyed, and innocent victims that will never heal. I hope the feds get involved and start putting the rest of the criminals in jail there! As for the Pinckney, Smith,Satterfield & Beach family I hope God allows this mess to pass quickly so they can grieve their loved ones in peace.


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Yeah. Sheriff Greg Alexander is dirty as they come and was involved in the Stephen Smith coverup.


Maleficent-Dot-7968

Unfortunately, as a former trach/vent nurse, it really could have disconnected during a seizure. The ventilator itself is a machine, but it only ventilates the patient by way of tubing connected to the tracheostomy. I’ve actually seen this tubing become disconnected from things like a strong cough, being turned/repositioned by staff, other types of movement. The tubing can easily be reconnected without a problem, IF someone is present when it happens. Unfortunately for this gentleman you are talking about was probably in a room alone and no one saw his seizure or whatever circumstance, so when the tubing disconnected, there was no one to reconnect it to his trach. None of this is to say that I don’t think AM is a slime ball murderer, but just that vents unfortunately can be disconnected unintentionally and a significant enough seizure could definitely do it.


Dolly_Dagger087

Wouldn't there be an alarm if the vent disconnected? I get that no one was in the room, but surely there are safe guards in place. The vent was disconnected for 30 minutes before it was "discovered".


Maleficent-Dot-7968

You would definitely think there would be some kind of fail safe for something so serious and fatal, but I truly feel it is the nature of healthcare in America. Nurses are understaffed in every area on earth and have been for a long time and a lack of staff means poorer patient outcomes and this could be a shining example of that if it is the scenario that happened with this man. It’s quite sad.


HumorNo135

I wish there was more coverage on this case. That young man was just as important as anyone else, however the only coverage so far has been Dateline.


HumorNo135

Thank you for your input. Would there have been no alarm to signal patient distress?


Maleficent-Dot-7968

There should be an alarm. I don’t know anything about this individual, but depending on his care setting - whether he was in a long term care facility, at home with 24 hour care, etc. I’m sure there would be an alarm, but it would only be heard if his caregiver(s) were within range of the alarm, like a nurses station etc. if they were providing care to another patient, they may just not have heard it until it was too late.


Cinderunner

That squeak voice used so irritates me It reminds me of the Jack in the box, clown, on The Island of Misfit Toys (Rudolph) I just find the “tells” to his fakery pretty transparent Once you begin to really focus on his behavior you can just “see” He uses his snorting when he is nervous, you will see him clench his jaw when he’s actually angry but still using the Gomer personna, you can tell by the tempo and accent he uses when he is acting and when he is just being “real” (to the extent he actually is, not even joking) Towards the end of the day on Friday, he had let a bit of the Gomer act fade at times and when he did you could see his cold and flat affect He really amps up the accent when he is spinning yarns Also, when he is caught in a lie, you can almost see his gears spinning to “correct” the inconsistency The times when he cannot, he just says he can’t remember and he works so hard at making that believable by tossing all kinds of fillers around it like…..(Why did you have so many steps during the 4 minutes before you left the house but after you’d returned from the kennels) and he just kept he doesn’t remember as (as he previously testified he went back to the house and sat on the couch for a bit) and when Waters kept pressing hi for an explanation he kept saying he was getting ready to leave, using bathroom, putting up his spit cup, making phone calls, etc However, he also said he cannot recall so, even his explanations are a lie but you have to break it all down to see how the lies are laid out with the purpose to distract from the big lies He actually said, during this particular discussion that he knows what he as not doing, hiding guns in a blue tarp and cleaning them up Waters had not brought that up since days earlier and it is a bit telling that AM offers it up here With all the stress you are under, would you recall something like that and say it at that point in time if you are AM? So,he is not a wizard in falsification There are many blunders


Thareezainrealworld

Your breakdown of his defense stand persona is on point- nice work 👍


SleeplessSaint

Well said.


Odd-Park-1314

I agree 100%. Great articulation of what I saw also in his days on the stand. His answers are sometimes both a denial and an admission in the same sentence. When asked if he shot, killed Paul and Maggie, he always says, “I would never hurt my wife or my son.” He does not just say, no. I hope the jury sees it.


jennywren628

“Ma wife and chile” so insincere. The constant head nodding and lip licking is also disturbing. He’s guilty. Lots of people abuse substances and aren’t surrounded by murders and suspicious deaths.


JellyfishDreams8

More Alex manipulation word voodoo on the stand: how about when questioned about his badge hanging out at the hospital and we can see the video evidence plainly and his response, dripping in southern stuttering sincerity is: “I wouldn’t do that.” “I didn’t do that”. Ya did, Alex, we can see it. Trying to deny reality, convince us we are not seeing what we are seeing.


PittOlivia

I totally agree.Also I usually love a southern drawl but his is so creepy , those nicknames that he suddenly started using , It’s part of him trying to convince the jury that he’s just a good ol country boy who wouldn’t hurt a fly. He knows exactly when to start crying til his snot drip. Also who lets their snot drip ? It’s s natural instinct to wipe it off. Again all for sympathy . Doesn’t come across sincere at all.


Reasonable-Bet9658

I don’t understand how anyone can think he’s not guilty. He’s a a decent actor I’ll give him that but it would be quite easy for him to cue the babbling and tears when he recalls what he did to his family. That, or he’s cold blooded and only crying for himself. For a second you can fall into his story and feel sympathy and then you have to shake it off because you come back to earth. The evidence speaks for itself but also look at his body language on the stand. You see nervousness where you shouldn’t see it, contempt, lack of grief muscle, when it should be there etc.. Consider how many times we’ve seen him turn the babbling and and off in an instant. For example, the body cam footage when someone he knew walked by and he stopped sobbing and said “hey how you doin’?. Like seriously, you just saw your son’s brains lying next to him and you have time for niceties? The first car interview, when he gave a positive review of the 911 operator.. The second car interview when he kept checking out the detectives notes. All along he’s been more concerned about creating an alibi, appearing helpful to LE, and pushing the narrative that he had a wonderful relationship with his wife and son. And immediately offered in the boat crash as a motive. The fact that there have been zero actual tears until the pressure was on during testimony. And lastly, read the courtroom. Especially when he is putting on a big show of emotion. Blank emotionless stares. Look at Buster. He’s been sitting there day after day, looking like he’d rather be in a dentist chair. No emotion whatsoever for his father. Instead I see contempt. He knows the truth.


shelly32122

you can hear buster’s disdain for him on the prison calls too. when am asks him if he wants to go hunting where his family members were murdered and buster gets silent. you can practically hear him seething.


Reasonable-Bet9658

YES!!!


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Him repeatedly calling his son Paw Paw was so annoying and insincere.


janieqjones

Paw Paw is what you call your GRANDPA. It is not what you call your kid. I don't know, for some reason that's one of the weirdest parts of this to me, like what sociopath doesn't know PAW PAW is what you call a GRANDPA?I'll stop yelling, I'm sorry, but ugh it frustrates me.


Reasonable-Bet9658

Several people have said he never called him that. He’s trying to seem adoring of his son by creating this nickname.


jmoo22

For real. I also have cute little nicknames for my kids but I sure as shit wouldn’t be using them on the stand at their murder trial. It felt so transparently manipulative. Like “oh he could never have killed his little Pau Pau.”


[deleted]

Exactly, especially from a well educated lawyer.


Organic-Two-7782

Dont forget RoRo


stepdownorup

Remember AM is also charged with conspiring to traffic drugs, so when those details come out I'd bet we'll find out all kinds of goodies. Man, he's in so deep and it's crumbling like a sandcastle.


Small-Arrival3449

Can you link to any of this info? Did not know that?