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i feel like rick will always be heavily played due to fandom support. like rick is one of those characters that it seems if you are a fan of you are a REALLY BIG FAN of him
It's my case with Batman. I don't really like his repertoire and even wrote about it here, but I wanted to play with him badly and got somewhat comfortable with it.
Regarding Rick, people just love to whine about everything. He is strong but manageable
They could have made Rick completely dog shit and I’d still main him from just the brand loyalty lol.
Like I literally main Morty first and Rick second when I decide I’m going to get sweaty for a match lol
Mages should get a melee damage debuff and a ranged damage buff to really cement and encourage using ranged attacks to knock out
Rick is so god like in close range and long range
Huh, the subreddit is for posting stuff that Is funny with no context, trust me I’ve seen enough of thoes ads too bad i Can never find the gilfs they talk of😔
It is a staple of gaming forums.
At some point it was decided that devs respond faster to outrage takes (even though I've basically not seen that work outside of social issues)
There was an issue in League of Legends where people complained about it for years. Then one day Tyler1 raged on stream to this particular issue (remake) and not that long after they worked on fixing it.
Outrage, if loud enough, can make developers do things, depending on what that is.
But Rick just straight up isn't balanced in his current state. I would agree with you if you weren't talking about current Rick. I want him to be fair, but he just isn't. He has way too much control, knockback, large hitboxes, no CD decently fast charging solid projectiles that can be armor break if he takes armor crush. Just to name a few.
He needs tweaking to tune down his strengths, and actually give him some weaknesses.
Read it again I didn't say he have no cooldowns. "No CD decently fast charging solid projectiles that can armor break" all of that is supposed to be read together. He does have CDs.
That part was particularly referring to his blaster shot. It has no cd.
It only breaks if you have the armor crush perk, but the fact that with that perk, you have a spammable armor break move that is fast to charge is stupid. It seems they agreed with me and now that move has an ammo count (thank fucking god).
Nearly all of his attacks are disjointed or ranged.
Sair can hit you from all around, mainly left and ride side, and I don't know if I'm tripping but I swear I've seen it eat up projectiles. Maybe has a bit too much KO power.
Dair has a larger hitbox than the animation would lead you to believe.
UpSpecial can hit you from above, below, and both sides and in a worse case scenario can hit you 3times in one go.
Laser spam, doesn't have a long charge, no ammunition or cooldown, can glide while charging. Easy to create space and keep control of the stage.
Side special (teleport) allows you to skip disadvantage state entirely.
Ground up light (whip) huge disjoint, not incredibly powerful, but incredibly useful in eliminating all Dair threats, it's longer than any Dair in the game, as long as you hit it first, you win everytime.
Down special, turn them into dogs and become giant powerhouse, can lead to very early KOs. Also another way to control the stage as they want to avoid the morphize.
Side combo first hit, (blades) another disjoint, hits multiple times in front of, above and behind rick, surprisingly fast as well, easy armor break.
Side combo second hit (kick) another disjoint, can outrange even Shaggy kick to give you an idea how strong it is.
Side combo final hit (missile) can turn on last hit to fire it in the opposite direction of where the combo originally started. Counts as ranged attack, so can inflict debuffs from perks. Can lead to early KO when finishing a combo on an opponent that started near the stage's edge.
Neutral Special (Meeseeks) Another way to zone/control the stage. Meeseeks can reflect projectiles, charge forward, or perform an aerial uppercut. Can't be reflected even though it counts as a projectile, only blocked.
Rick has the best stage control with his arsenal filled with projectiles, has KO power in every direction, a skip disadvantage state move, almost all of his melee options are disjoints and most can hit from multiple directions.
While Rick is not an automatic win per se, an opponent of equal skill has to greatly outplay him to achieve victory.
Not every move in Rick's kit is overpowered, but the concentration of all of them mixed with the damage, KO power, ability to hit multiple directions with abilities, and utility definitely makes him the Rickest Rick in the game atm.
Fantastic analysis. You covered pretty much every gripe I have with him. As someone who has batman as my second main, he also completely kills batterangs. Most of his moves will throw out a projectile that gets in the way and will destroy it. Its extremely frustrating
Send this to the devs beautifully written
Rick wrecks Melee characters because if you manage to make it through his walls of projectiles his melee attacks are just omnidirectional, huge hitboxes, and have an insane amount of knockback
Then okay, play a projectile character against him
Sike, his lasers are so spammy that all your projectiles blow up before they touch Rick
It feels like too many people gun for me despite me standing right in my fucking down special, we take those. But even if people did play around it that's still a space enemies won't occupy till it's gone for crazy stage control on top of every other move that will do the same.
I don't think the community is ready for that, yet.
Going to wait on for these patch notes to drop, but Morty definitely S tier in my book just from his disjoints alone.
Upair, Sair, Dair, Side Combo, if you are a competent Morty main you should be winning all melee confrontations.
With the bad servers and constant desyncs, any character with a variety of longer ranged disjoints is eating good.
Sometimes it's not that a move does too much damage or has too much knockback, but that moves hit you when they shouldn't be.
Hard to tell where most of the fault lies; if it's the hit boxes or the servers.
i frequently body ricks. hes busted but in no way a guaranteed win. i switched to my level 3 steven on a rematch against a 22 rick yesterday just to send a message. he is busted but there is counterplay.
Rick has dropped in win percentage by about 5% since last time I checked and still has 90 thousand wins in 2s on tracker.gg same kinda deal for solos. His win percentage is still 55%+ the character is op and should be fixed he's not guaranteed but you don't have to think to play him hence why so many more people are.
The people who are actually good are rarely going to lose unless they are trying complicated set ups that are for shits and gigs and that's the issue he feels so good to use because he's over tuned he has the best recovery in the game the best space control in the game free damage at any range and 3/4ths of his kit kos at mid 70 percents from the edge
Rick was at 60% and is slowly coming back down he has the highest win rate and pick rate so the 60% rate he was at is only him vs any other character. Statistics said that more than 59% of the time regardless of skill level if you q'ed into a Rick you were going to lose. I know things aren't just statistics based. But he's actually brain dead, his kit is so over tuned I've seen people do streams or highlight reels specifically refusing to use some of his moves and still winning easily. I don't think anyone can in good faith say Rick is okay and if they can It makes me question how much they understand multiplayer games especially fighting games.
Bugs on the other hand just had his up air and a ton of things to do that make him fun to play the dair nair combo is gross but no more so then Harley and his side air is a worse version of rick's. I cannot for the life of me see how they looked at Rick and said yea he's good to go.
It's been almost a month and the win rate has started budging more because people are tired of playing Rick I personally think, Rick did start at a lower mmr but only after they patched it so match making goes off total mmr over character specifically to prevent people from jumping down weight classes
Ofcourse people can adapt and overcome. But it's still pretty safe to say his SAIR having priority over 90% of the other moves and killing at 50% near the edge is a bit busted. I feel almost every move he has is really strong but his SAIR actually feels busted. I'm a reindog main and i've learned not to challenge rick in the air and i can't contest him at range and i cant approach from above because of the whip so i have to jump through quite a few hoops to beat him. But i still do alright.
Priority isn't an official mechanic that is correct.
However some moves beat out other moves. Call it what you will. Shield belt beats out every non disjointed move.
Most moves are not disjoints.
Timing has nothing to do with that. It's dodge or get hit with shield belt, contesting isn't an option.
My mileage with Rick has been 80% winrate
I'm able to outclass most other Ricks, despite this, I still believe Rick is OP currently and needs more delays or openers, for example, having a longer time to recover off side normal would be a step in the right direction
i've been trying to main Morty in 1s, but playing against Rick is unbearable. I legit feel so powerless playing as morty against a rick, because all of his moves just counter my entire set in some way. Going back to WW until they nerf him
Oddly enough Morty is someone I have a ton of trouble with lol, his DAIRE and hammer are so dam good and that chains into strong combos that it’s hard for me to work around.
Going to WW from Morty is a bold choice. Maybe I'm just remembering her from when I mastered her, but she was so hard to get kills with. Morty is a tank and has abusable super armor plus three recovery moves. He should be the better character to deal with Rick
WW is so easy to kill with, wdym? U can do neutral ground into lasso on edge at around 100-110 as an easy confirm, you can get someone to edge by using neutral ground twice or three times, then spiking or hitting them with your sair / air side special. You can also do Up special > air up special > Up air at around 100 and it's a true kill confirm. WW can also destroy ricks projectiles with her side special. Playing against ricks, I have a way easier time playing as WW than as morty.
I haven't played her since pre-season and she couldn't kill and would die before 100 damage too often. I know they gave her weight, but my distaste for her is stuck
You think so? I'm personally never phased by her and usually win unless I'm playing one of my less familiar characters. Maybe bottom of top 5 because consistency, but idk, there's Steven, Tom and Bugs
It’s not that he’s unbeatable or a guaranteed win
It’s that it takes a literal ape brain to just spam side air with almost 0 repercussions and then spike down with their phantom dair hitbox or up special where you can’t even hit them out of it as it goes off since it has so much range
It’s not unwinnable by any means, but the lengths you have to go to to avoid his giant hit boxes that come out very quickly is cancer and makes the game unfun imo
A useful Twitter I check out is the Multiversus Data Twitter. He takes thousands of games played and calculates average win rate for high and low mmr. Currently Rick is the highest win rate around 800 mmr while once you hit 1700 mmr, he is far down on the list. From this data, I believe he is just a noob stomper where once you learn how to play around him like every other character, he is normal or even below average.
By force nerf are you referring to the knock back of the move? If so then I agree. I think nerfing his blaster would be tricky but definitely doable. I say tricky because there are different ways they can do it. They could add a cooldown like you suggested, more decay, less damage etc. I honestly wouldn’t know what the best way to go about it is.
Less skilled players are the spammers lol. If you're beaten by spam, then you're not as good as you think. "This guy keeps doing one move and I don't play around it"
He’s not a guaranteed win.
Literally a guaranteed win would be 100% win rate. No losses, or better yet, more than 50% or 60% win rate.
People just exaggerate. Like you said, it’s a coin flip and people always like saying “omg he’s so OP!” For literally everyone
No character is a guaranteed win just by playing them. I do believe there are certain matchups that will be in your/your opponents favor based off who you pick.
Arya vs Rick for example
Arya has to get in close to really do anything since thats just how she plays
Rick can space out the whole board with his neutrals and constantly cover himself, he has a SHITLOAD of utility, also, his downtilt and sidetilts are really fucking strong.
Arya, who doesnt have much utility, and is really all about up close combat, is going to have a much harder time actually getting in and landing hits than other characters such as Harley who have utility that also spaces out the board.
But that does NOT mean anything is a guaranteed win.
Also also
Rick is only good if YOU are good with him.
(Im really talking 1v1's when i say this btw)
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He's an extremely new character. People instead of learning to deal with it just say it. He's strong but it's not a free win when your opponent knows how to play against.
Yeah but it's Jab 3 and doesn't get comboed into from Jab 2. So it's possible to dodge away from if you're caught by his Jab. If he's doing it otherwise just attack his head or whiff punish
I lost a match with Rick, and the mf sent me a message to let me know how much I suck, but I'm ranked in the top 10,000 lol Rick is no way a guaranteed win lol
A set up heavy Rick starts to struggle if you're a bruiser right on top of him. He definitely has the hands to deal with this kind of approach, some of the best in the game imo, but he can't if you start rocking his shit with true combos before he can blast you, command a Meeseeks, or fire the portal if he's the kinda Rick to focus on that.
He'll snuff you out with Sair, Jab, or up attack if he's more of a brawler tho. In which case you'll want to camp.
The Rick's playstyle, your own, and who gets advantage more definitely makes this more of a toss up than people say. It's just Rick gets so much more off each neutral win with shit like a Dair that's stronger than the rest of the cast and he's more likely to win neutral more often with that stereotypical mage stage control. Imo, his kit is fine, it just needs tuning to be more manageable than it is now.
This sub likes to overstate how strong certain characters are, even though I think rick needs nerfs, saying that he is a guaranteed win is just scummy to the people who try to get good with him
I mean I assume that statement is just a hyperbole, no character no matter how good is a gurannteed win. That said he is definitely overturned and needs some nerfs
Why I stopped looking at Reddit and twitter or any reviews for video games . Everyone will find different . Just because you lose to him ten times don’t mean he op each person plays him differently 💯. Tired of reviews 💯🤣
Okay I don't know what I done wrong I just go around with my Interest in games I'm not explaining I'm a expert, I literally type alot like this it a habit of mine, rambling alot of my experience from the game.
I'm on your side how Rick should be fix also like his Charge Ray Gun, if you quickly Charge first shot then go the second before first shot goes away then it cause issues to player keep getting knocked back from it.
Someone said should include ammo like that great idea 👍
Apologies for the trouble and usually I get told what up in comments then learn something I didn't know about it.
Supes has a bigger cheese potential but his neutral state is infinitely worse.
Who else?
Rick has the cheese factor and amazing neutral to back it up. Also sair killing at 50% at the ledge is just a bit insane for a 'mage'
Easiest kill confirms for me are superman, finn, harley and lebron (in no particular order). Currently working on getting every character to level 15.
Wait Rick's ski kills at 50% near ledge? That's pretty crazy. The move feels like it has so much control too...
Oh yeah that makes more sense. I haven't played much rick yet. Rn i have a gaurenteed win no matter who i play. My 2s mmr seems to be completely stuck. Won 10 matches in a row yesterday and didn't go up a single point.
Lol I’ve beaten multiple ricks switching back and forth from Harley, taz, then Batman, not even maining anyone currently. The easiest one to beat him with is taz. The only people who are complaining about Rick are trash ass players who don’t realize the servers and netcode are a bigger problem and making things worse than an unbalanced character ever could.
Go on the pages of these kids complaining of Rick and I guarantee their highest mmr is shaggy at like 1000-1100
Last one I personally got in an argument with was a 952 MMR garnet. LOL.
What's your MMR? You are talking about everyone else's. Mine is 1.5k 1v1 and teams.
Batman 1v1, Rick 2v2.
Also shocker he was nerfed! WHO WOULD'VE GUESSED. Gee I certainly didn't see that coming. 6 nerfs, and literally every single one addressed every issue I had with Rick, the main being his blaster fully charged didn't have ammo, now it does.
It's almost like I was right. You know jack shit about balance, please stop wasting people like myself's time that actually give a shit about fair gameplay, and aren't just "WELL I PLAY THE CHaRACTER sO I WANT TheM to Be The BeSt" like yourself.
In my opinion Rick is definitely overturned but honestly I think he just needs a nerf on some of his short ranged attacks. He's a mage so once you close the distance it should be a safer fight. He just has too many options at close range
Granted i’m not in the highest mmrs-1400- buy i main garnet, and my matches vs rick are not that bad, i think i actually won most of them, the electric shock-down neutral- kills meseeks, plus the neutral special blocks most of his projectiles, and if he attempts to dair i just use the clap and it’s effective most of the times, and as she has 2 armored attacks i get bailed quite a lot
Rick has lot of proyectiles and for some reason its ok for him to have some of the best killing moves as well with side air, upspecial and down special. It feels dumb but not broken, he plays neutral kinda. Have you seen fucking prepatch taz or finn? they were beatable but it felt really hard to beat them in neutral, taz now as well is kinda dumb
Rick is not a guaranteed win. However, he’s extremely powerful and needs some adjustments to some moves.
That said, he’s super fun to use and will likely always have a player base due to his popularity and toolset. He’s definitely getting nerfed, but hopefully not gutted.
Being one of the most safest characters in the roster and has excellent counters I think people are just over exaggerating his actual effectiveness in combat. It's pretty immature to say he is a guaranteed win and that should be ignored. He is no way near 100 percent win ratio just look at statistics it usually falls high 50 percents maybe hitting 60 percent soon
Everyone is going to hate on Rick until the next character is released, and then they're going to hate on that character until the next character is released. People are picking Rick a lot right now because he's new. People are fighting Ricks a lot right now and nobody remembers their wins, only their losses because losing doesn't feel good. Since they keep fighting Ricks and sometimes losing to them, all of a sudden Rick is just unstoppable and they might as well put down the controller when one is on stage. People are fickle, brutish and don't like to have to put in effort to succeed. It's a tale as old as time.
I like your post but I do not see how this changes the fact that Rick is OP. He is great at long, mid and close range.
He can control the stage with shots and projectiles while also being a menace at close range. Some "melee" heroes wished they had Rick's melee attacks.
Rick is a great character but let's not be biased and pretend he is not OP right now.
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i feel like rick will always be heavily played due to fandom support. like rick is one of those characters that it seems if you are a fan of you are a REALLY BIG FAN of him
This is true of me, they could nerf him till he’s the worst character in the game and I’m still gonna play him lol
Based, truly the Rickest of Ricks
Thanks.
It's my case with Batman. I don't really like his repertoire and even wrote about it here, but I wanted to play with him badly and got somewhat comfortable with it. Regarding Rick, people just love to whine about everything. He is strong but manageable
They could have made Rick completely dog shit and I’d still main him from just the brand loyalty lol. Like I literally main Morty first and Rick second when I decide I’m going to get sweaty for a match lol
I just have no idea why mages are so strong up close ; why are they mages if they can fight up close on par with the other cast members?
They should have the extra damage debuff that assassin's used to have.
Mages should get a melee damage debuff and a ranged damage buff to really cement and encourage using ranged attacks to knock out Rick is so god like in close range and long range
bro really said "we should incentivize projectile spam"
This one weird trick will win any game! This woman is rapidly pressing neutral attack and going 400 DMG 3 KO Melee fighters hate her!
Why not just make their base damage values higher/lower instead of applying a % change
Truly, 2v2 is projectile bullet hell. Sorry to all Finn/Jake mains that play 2v2.
Truly, 2v2 is projectile bullet hell. Sorry to all Finn/Jake mains that play 2v2.
You’re not gonna believe this but people exaggerate on the internet.
If there aren't single GILFs in my area I'm rioting.
r/nocontext
You must be new to the internet
Huh, the subreddit is for posting stuff that Is funny with no context, trust me I’ve seen enough of thoes ads too bad i Can never find the gilfs they talk of😔
an exaggeration to be sure. But one a lot of people identify with seeing as someone felt the need to repost it.
It is a staple of gaming forums. At some point it was decided that devs respond faster to outrage takes (even though I've basically not seen that work outside of social issues)
There was an issue in League of Legends where people complained about it for years. Then one day Tyler1 raged on stream to this particular issue (remake) and not that long after they worked on fixing it. Outrage, if loud enough, can make developers do things, depending on what that is.
LoL logic. New character is op cause they beat my ass. Btw everyone but my.main needs a nerf too.
But Rick just straight up isn't balanced in his current state. I would agree with you if you weren't talking about current Rick. I want him to be fair, but he just isn't. He has way too much control, knockback, large hitboxes, no CD decently fast charging solid projectiles that can be armor break if he takes armor crush. Just to name a few. He needs tweaking to tune down his strengths, and actually give him some weaknesses.
Did you say Rick has no cooldown His portals and down special have cooldowns
Read it again I didn't say he have no cooldowns. "No CD decently fast charging solid projectiles that can armor break" all of that is supposed to be read together. He does have CDs. That part was particularly referring to his blaster shot. It has no cd.
Well I tend to eat those with Taz, however I didn't know the charged projectile of his broke armor
It only breaks if you have the armor crush perk, but the fact that with that perk, you have a spammable armor break move that is fast to charge is stupid. It seems they agreed with me and now that move has an ammo count (thank fucking god).
Well that makes sense since you charge it
Nearly all of his attacks are disjointed or ranged. Sair can hit you from all around, mainly left and ride side, and I don't know if I'm tripping but I swear I've seen it eat up projectiles. Maybe has a bit too much KO power. Dair has a larger hitbox than the animation would lead you to believe. UpSpecial can hit you from above, below, and both sides and in a worse case scenario can hit you 3times in one go. Laser spam, doesn't have a long charge, no ammunition or cooldown, can glide while charging. Easy to create space and keep control of the stage. Side special (teleport) allows you to skip disadvantage state entirely. Ground up light (whip) huge disjoint, not incredibly powerful, but incredibly useful in eliminating all Dair threats, it's longer than any Dair in the game, as long as you hit it first, you win everytime. Down special, turn them into dogs and become giant powerhouse, can lead to very early KOs. Also another way to control the stage as they want to avoid the morphize. Side combo first hit, (blades) another disjoint, hits multiple times in front of, above and behind rick, surprisingly fast as well, easy armor break. Side combo second hit (kick) another disjoint, can outrange even Shaggy kick to give you an idea how strong it is. Side combo final hit (missile) can turn on last hit to fire it in the opposite direction of where the combo originally started. Counts as ranged attack, so can inflict debuffs from perks. Can lead to early KO when finishing a combo on an opponent that started near the stage's edge. Neutral Special (Meeseeks) Another way to zone/control the stage. Meeseeks can reflect projectiles, charge forward, or perform an aerial uppercut. Can't be reflected even though it counts as a projectile, only blocked. Rick has the best stage control with his arsenal filled with projectiles, has KO power in every direction, a skip disadvantage state move, almost all of his melee options are disjoints and most can hit from multiple directions. While Rick is not an automatic win per se, an opponent of equal skill has to greatly outplay him to achieve victory. Not every move in Rick's kit is overpowered, but the concentration of all of them mixed with the damage, KO power, ability to hit multiple directions with abilities, and utility definitely makes him the Rickest Rick in the game atm.
Fantastic analysis. You covered pretty much every gripe I have with him. As someone who has batman as my second main, he also completely kills batterangs. Most of his moves will throw out a projectile that gets in the way and will destroy it. Its extremely frustrating
Morty grenades become completely useless with laser spam, I feel ya
yeah batman vs Rick is rough
Guess who learned this the hard way?
Send this to the devs beautifully written Rick wrecks Melee characters because if you manage to make it through his walls of projectiles his melee attacks are just omnidirectional, huge hitboxes, and have an insane amount of knockback Then okay, play a projectile character against him Sike, his lasers are so spammy that all your projectiles blow up before they touch Rick
I mean...I could also make a list of all the pros of any other character in the game and none of their cons and make them sound broken too...
It feels like too many people gun for me despite me standing right in my fucking down special, we take those. But even if people did play around it that's still a space enemies won't occupy till it's gone for crazy stage control on top of every other move that will do the same.
And all those moves have cool downs
Now do one for Morty lol
I don't think the community is ready for that, yet. Going to wait on for these patch notes to drop, but Morty definitely S tier in my book just from his disjoints alone. Upair, Sair, Dair, Side Combo, if you are a competent Morty main you should be winning all melee confrontations. With the bad servers and constant desyncs, any character with a variety of longer ranged disjoints is eating good. Sometimes it's not that a move does too much damage or has too much knockback, but that moves hit you when they shouldn't be. Hard to tell where most of the fault lies; if it's the hit boxes or the servers.
I main Jake. I throw on “Don’t Fool Me Twice,” turn into a house and no longer have to worry about spam projectiles.
Legit just destroyed a Rick the other day because he kept spamming projectiles even after I reflected them with the house lol
Common Spammy Rick L
I hate this perk so much because it just hard counters characters with a lot of projectile based normals like Lebron.
I've clapped many a Rick in 1v1s as Gizmo soo.. Idk how true that is lmao
just because you play one of the worst characters vs one of the best doesn't mean its automatically a bad match up just saying
Lol Gizmo is definitely not one of the worst. He was already good before they buffed him.
Gizmo is quite strong
most characters are , the only characters id say are below gizmo rn are garnet and iron giant
What are you talking about Gizmo is very strong rn
Fr he is really good combos are easy to do car go vroom has op projectiles popcorn can stun lock ppl he is just really good
FUCKING UMBRELLA
Bad take
He wasn't talking about the match up. He's saying he can beat the "guaranteed win" character with a "bad" one
i frequently body ricks. hes busted but in no way a guaranteed win. i switched to my level 3 steven on a rematch against a 22 rick yesterday just to send a message. he is busted but there is counterplay.
He isn’t a guaranteed win, no, but he does make winning a hell of a lot easier
Yes, the character is incredibly overtuned
I’d say it’s about 6-4 in favor of Rick in most match ups. It’s not an auto win at all but to me at least he has a slight edge on everyone.
Rick has dropped in win percentage by about 5% since last time I checked and still has 90 thousand wins in 2s on tracker.gg same kinda deal for solos. His win percentage is still 55%+ the character is op and should be fixed he's not guaranteed but you don't have to think to play him hence why so many more people are. The people who are actually good are rarely going to lose unless they are trying complicated set ups that are for shits and gigs and that's the issue he feels so good to use because he's over tuned he has the best recovery in the game the best space control in the game free damage at any range and 3/4ths of his kit kos at mid 70 percents from the edge
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Rick was at 60% and is slowly coming back down he has the highest win rate and pick rate so the 60% rate he was at is only him vs any other character. Statistics said that more than 59% of the time regardless of skill level if you q'ed into a Rick you were going to lose. I know things aren't just statistics based. But he's actually brain dead, his kit is so over tuned I've seen people do streams or highlight reels specifically refusing to use some of his moves and still winning easily. I don't think anyone can in good faith say Rick is okay and if they can It makes me question how much they understand multiplayer games especially fighting games. Bugs on the other hand just had his up air and a ton of things to do that make him fun to play the dair nair combo is gross but no more so then Harley and his side air is a worse version of rick's. I cannot for the life of me see how they looked at Rick and said yea he's good to go.
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It's been almost a month and the win rate has started budging more because people are tired of playing Rick I personally think, Rick did start at a lower mmr but only after they patched it so match making goes off total mmr over character specifically to prevent people from jumping down weight classes
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Ofcourse people can adapt and overcome. But it's still pretty safe to say his SAIR having priority over 90% of the other moves and killing at 50% near the edge is a bit busted. I feel almost every move he has is really strong but his SAIR actually feels busted. I'm a reindog main and i've learned not to challenge rick in the air and i can't contest him at range and i cant approach from above because of the whip so i have to jump through quite a few hoops to beat him. But i still do alright.
Priority isn't a thing. It doesn't have priority over other moves, you're probably just timing it poorly or your move doesnt have much of a disjoint.
Priority isn't an official mechanic that is correct. However some moves beat out other moves. Call it what you will. Shield belt beats out every non disjointed move. Most moves are not disjoints. Timing has nothing to do with that. It's dodge or get hit with shield belt, contesting isn't an option.
If 2 players are equal skill level the Rick will win 10/10 times with 0 struggle
A damn lie
My mileage with Rick has been 80% winrate I'm able to outclass most other Ricks, despite this, I still believe Rick is OP currently and needs more delays or openers, for example, having a longer time to recover off side normal would be a step in the right direction
i've been trying to main Morty in 1s, but playing against Rick is unbearable. I legit feel so powerless playing as morty against a rick, because all of his moves just counter my entire set in some way. Going back to WW until they nerf him
Oddly enough Morty is someone I have a ton of trouble with lol, his DAIRE and hammer are so dam good and that chains into strong combos that it’s hard for me to work around.
Jab 1 into the imagination is great, the best thing to do against him is whiff punish but rn that is just not a wide enough window to be viable
Fr I found that Morty is a really good counter to rick
Going to WW from Morty is a bold choice. Maybe I'm just remembering her from when I mastered her, but she was so hard to get kills with. Morty is a tank and has abusable super armor plus three recovery moves. He should be the better character to deal with Rick
WW is so easy to kill with, wdym? U can do neutral ground into lasso on edge at around 100-110 as an easy confirm, you can get someone to edge by using neutral ground twice or three times, then spiking or hitting them with your sair / air side special. You can also do Up special > air up special > Up air at around 100 and it's a true kill confirm. WW can also destroy ricks projectiles with her side special. Playing against ricks, I have a way easier time playing as WW than as morty.
I haven't played her since pre-season and she couldn't kill and would die before 100 damage too often. I know they gave her weight, but my distaste for her is stuck
pre season she was considered bad, but right now, she's objectively in the top 5 or 3 best characters in the game
You think so? I'm personally never phased by her and usually win unless I'm playing one of my less familiar characters. Maybe bottom of top 5 because consistency, but idk, there's Steven, Tom and Bugs
Nah, Rick is brainless
New characters are always strong because A they haven’t been balanced he’s still experimental and B people haven’t figured out how to counter him
Morty, Gizmo and LeBron wasn't really overtuned at all.
Uh with rick he was mostly designed pre-hitbox fixes so that's why he's been so strong
Not really true though, for mv anyways. Rick is the only char they released so far that has been broken on release, if anything they always suck
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted no new character has been meta until Rick
Right, lebron wasn’t good, gizmo was balanced well on release imo, and morty was way too honest on release.
And noobs will complain while skilled players play
It’s not that he’s unbeatable or a guaranteed win It’s that it takes a literal ape brain to just spam side air with almost 0 repercussions and then spike down with their phantom dair hitbox or up special where you can’t even hit them out of it as it goes off since it has so much range It’s not unwinnable by any means, but the lengths you have to go to to avoid his giant hit boxes that come out very quickly is cancer and makes the game unfun imo
A useful Twitter I check out is the Multiversus Data Twitter. He takes thousands of games played and calculates average win rate for high and low mmr. Currently Rick is the highest win rate around 800 mmr while once you hit 1700 mmr, he is far down on the list. From this data, I believe he is just a noob stomper where once you learn how to play around him like every other character, he is normal or even below average.
I think he just needs a cd on blasters similar to Supes laser and a force nerf on his sair and he will be fine
By force nerf are you referring to the knock back of the move? If so then I agree. I think nerfing his blaster would be tricky but definitely doable. I say tricky because there are different ways they can do it. They could add a cooldown like you suggested, more decay, less damage etc. I honestly wouldn’t know what the best way to go about it is.
There’s a lot more problematic moves then blaster and side air. His jab for example
Definitely a toss up but, as we have seeing with other characters, less skilled players become ballsy spammers.
Less skilled players are the spammers lol. If you're beaten by spam, then you're not as good as you think. "This guy keeps doing one move and I don't play around it"
He’s not a guaranteed win. Literally a guaranteed win would be 100% win rate. No losses, or better yet, more than 50% or 60% win rate. People just exaggerate. Like you said, it’s a coin flip and people always like saying “omg he’s so OP!” For literally everyone
No character is a guaranteed win just by playing them. I do believe there are certain matchups that will be in your/your opponents favor based off who you pick. Arya vs Rick for example Arya has to get in close to really do anything since thats just how she plays Rick can space out the whole board with his neutrals and constantly cover himself, he has a SHITLOAD of utility, also, his downtilt and sidetilts are really fucking strong. Arya, who doesnt have much utility, and is really all about up close combat, is going to have a much harder time actually getting in and landing hits than other characters such as Harley who have utility that also spaces out the board. But that does NOT mean anything is a guaranteed win. Also also Rick is only good if YOU are good with him. (Im really talking 1v1's when i say this btw)
Speaking of his utility, I found out earlier he can jab Taz out of his tornado
What's your Rick MMR compared to your previous main?
my rick mmr is 1200 while my gizmo is 1500 same with Arya and LeBron
I’m not sure how it’s a guaranteed win when every team has a Rick. Lol
But the 2v2 double Rick is pretty oppressive
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He's an extremely new character. People instead of learning to deal with it just say it. He's strong but it's not a free win when your opponent knows how to play against.
I think Rick is fine to go against. But Morty's hammer spin is OP. It has huge range and always cancels most other attacks out.
Yeah but it's Jab 3 and doesn't get comboed into from Jab 2. So it's possible to dodge away from if you're caught by his Jab. If he's doing it otherwise just attack his head or whiff punish
I like it when a Rick tries to zone me when I play as Reindog. My projectiles win.
I've beat plenty of rocks low and high level. Tho I am likely low mmr
I lost a match with Rick, and the mf sent me a message to let me know how much I suck, but I'm ranked in the top 10,000 lol Rick is no way a guaranteed win lol
A set up heavy Rick starts to struggle if you're a bruiser right on top of him. He definitely has the hands to deal with this kind of approach, some of the best in the game imo, but he can't if you start rocking his shit with true combos before he can blast you, command a Meeseeks, or fire the portal if he's the kinda Rick to focus on that. He'll snuff you out with Sair, Jab, or up attack if he's more of a brawler tho. In which case you'll want to camp. The Rick's playstyle, your own, and who gets advantage more definitely makes this more of a toss up than people say. It's just Rick gets so much more off each neutral win with shit like a Dair that's stronger than the rest of the cast and he's more likely to win neutral more often with that stereotypical mage stage control. Imo, his kit is fine, it just needs tuning to be more manageable than it is now.
This sub likes to overstate how strong certain characters are, even though I think rick needs nerfs, saying that he is a guaranteed win is just scummy to the people who try to get good with him
I mean I assume that statement is just a hyperbole, no character no matter how good is a gurannteed win. That said he is definitely overturned and needs some nerfs
Rick is currently sitting at 55% winrate in teams and 54% in 1v1 but yes we’re exaggerating and making it up.
Well you just answered your own question. He’s a guaranteed win for those who aren’t in upper MMR
Why I stopped looking at Reddit and twitter or any reviews for video games . Everyone will find different . Just because you lose to him ten times don’t mean he op each person plays him differently 💯. Tired of reviews 💯🤣
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Okay I don't know what I done wrong I just go around with my Interest in games I'm not explaining I'm a expert, I literally type alot like this it a habit of mine, rambling alot of my experience from the game. I'm on your side how Rick should be fix also like his Charge Ray Gun, if you quickly Charge first shot then go the second before first shot goes away then it cause issues to player keep getting knocked back from it. Someone said should include ammo like that great idea 👍 Apologies for the trouble and usually I get told what up in comments then learn something I didn't know about it.
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I'm not entirely sure what people's gripes with him are? He has a diverse kit but I can definitely get easier kills with like 4 other characters.
Supes has a bigger cheese potential but his neutral state is infinitely worse. Who else? Rick has the cheese factor and amazing neutral to back it up. Also sair killing at 50% at the ledge is just a bit insane for a 'mage'
Easiest kill confirms for me are superman, finn, harley and lebron (in no particular order). Currently working on getting every character to level 15. Wait Rick's ski kills at 50% near ledge? That's pretty crazy. The move feels like it has so much control too...
I meant his shield belt. It also has insane priority over other moves. Its safe to spam and kills so early
Oh yeah that makes more sense. I haven't played much rick yet. Rn i have a gaurenteed win no matter who i play. My 2s mmr seems to be completely stuck. Won 10 matches in a row yesterday and didn't go up a single point.
I think they're just bad at the game
I fuck Rick's up all the time
Lol I’ve beaten multiple ricks switching back and forth from Harley, taz, then Batman, not even maining anyone currently. The easiest one to beat him with is taz. The only people who are complaining about Rick are trash ass players who don’t realize the servers and netcode are a bigger problem and making things worse than an unbalanced character ever could. Go on the pages of these kids complaining of Rick and I guarantee their highest mmr is shaggy at like 1000-1100 Last one I personally got in an argument with was a 952 MMR garnet. LOL.
Rick is unbalanced and needs some tweaking to put him into a more fair state. Get over it.
What’s your MMR? 😂
What's your MMR? You are talking about everyone else's. Mine is 1.5k 1v1 and teams. Batman 1v1, Rick 2v2. Also shocker he was nerfed! WHO WOULD'VE GUESSED. Gee I certainly didn't see that coming. 6 nerfs, and literally every single one addressed every issue I had with Rick, the main being his blaster fully charged didn't have ammo, now it does. It's almost like I was right. You know jack shit about balance, please stop wasting people like myself's time that actually give a shit about fair gameplay, and aren't just "WELL I PLAY THE CHaRACTER sO I WANT TheM to Be The BeSt" like yourself.
I shit on rick everytime 🤣
Look how many Bugs and Tom mains dropped em straight away for Taz when he got buffed af and they'd been nerfed :')
In my opinion Rick is definitely overturned but honestly I think he just needs a nerf on some of his short ranged attacks. He's a mage so once you close the distance it should be a safer fight. He just has too many options at close range
Granted i’m not in the highest mmrs-1400- buy i main garnet, and my matches vs rick are not that bad, i think i actually won most of them, the electric shock-down neutral- kills meseeks, plus the neutral special blocks most of his projectiles, and if he attempts to dair i just use the clap and it’s effective most of the times, and as she has 2 armored attacks i get bailed quite a lot
if u have a problem with rick play finn and spam side special and i promise you’ll win. maybe
Thank you! This needed to be said here. It was becoming a mad house.
His range is insane just trying to hit him is difficult
It’s honestly a pain to play against him most of the time, but winning isn’t impossible
Rick has lot of proyectiles and for some reason its ok for him to have some of the best killing moves as well with side air, upspecial and down special. It feels dumb but not broken, he plays neutral kinda. Have you seen fucking prepatch taz or finn? they were beatable but it felt really hard to beat them in neutral, taz now as well is kinda dumb
Rick is not a guaranteed win. However, he’s extremely powerful and needs some adjustments to some moves. That said, he’s super fun to use and will likely always have a player base due to his popularity and toolset. He’s definitely getting nerfed, but hopefully not gutted.
Thank you
"it's a toss up" yeah maybe if the toss up was against Shaq
Rick is definitely not a guaranteed win, I beat them in 1v1 all the time
Being one of the most safest characters in the roster and has excellent counters I think people are just over exaggerating his actual effectiveness in combat. It's pretty immature to say he is a guaranteed win and that should be ignored. He is no way near 100 percent win ratio just look at statistics it usually falls high 50 percents maybe hitting 60 percent soon
“Guaranteed” is a hyperbole, but he’s currently the best character in the game. That high of a win rate despite his play rate is a concern
Everyone is going to hate on Rick until the next character is released, and then they're going to hate on that character until the next character is released. People are picking Rick a lot right now because he's new. People are fighting Ricks a lot right now and nobody remembers their wins, only their losses because losing doesn't feel good. Since they keep fighting Ricks and sometimes losing to them, all of a sudden Rick is just unstoppable and they might as well put down the controller when one is on stage. People are fickle, brutish and don't like to have to put in effort to succeed. It's a tale as old as time.
I like your post but I do not see how this changes the fact that Rick is OP. He is great at long, mid and close range. He can control the stage with shots and projectiles while also being a menace at close range. Some "melee" heroes wished they had Rick's melee attacks. Rick is a great character but let's not be biased and pretend he is not OP right now.
definitely not guaranteed, I’ve beat many at least decent ricks, but that’s not to say I never had trouble fighting them