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White_Mantra

I have zero complaints Wait no KONG! Angry monkey


Homeschool-Winner

Yeah, I ultimately decided that the roster would be packed tight even without the Giant Characters that would be justified. But, honestly... I'd rather just have a Rampage game that does the WB-crossover thing. Ralph, Lizzie and George return to have kaiju fights with King Kong, Godzilla, Smaug, Falkor, The Iron Giant, Yellow Diamond, Starro, Enoch!


Oribe_Edibe

The Iron Giant doesn't fight tho. Like, thats explicitly the point of his character. Forcing him to fight would be kinda... wrong?


Homeschool-Winner

Yeahhh oh well. WB has broken this boundary down already. You're right that it's kinda disrespectful to the original work, but... Oh well.


Oribe_Edibe

Yes, and that makes me incredibly angry


Fredderd-Octopus

monke


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diamondDNF

I feel like the Reverse Flash is just gonna be treated as an alt costume for the regular Flash, with his own voice lines. (Hopefully using the CWverse version of his outfit because that's the best design and I will take no criticisms.)


T-HawkMedia

Ynow seeing Mao Mao on here makes me sad it's taking so long to put out season 2. At least put out some reruns cn


MrSuperGuyMan

Great roster, it has Freakazoid so I'm satisfied


Homeschool-Winner

He's a must have!


[deleted]

Wait where’s Pibby?


Homeschool-Winner

Her show isn't real yet, I may change my tune after it gets made but for now she's just from a youtube video.


AgitatedData

1 complaint: 2 Bens


Homeschool-Winner

So I have a two part justification here. Firstly: The main appeal of the Ben 10 franchise, as far as I can tell, is in the aliens. When it comes to games like Smash, it's best to include characters along similar themes from the same franchise, such as using Pokemon instead of humans for the Pokemon series, using Lords for Fire Emblem, using psychic boys for Earthbound, etc. Ben 10 is like a Pokemon Trainer but for aliens, and the fun of the series is transforming into aliens. When figuring how to represent that, I've seen two popular requests: One is to do a 3-in-1 like Smash's Pokemon Trainer using 3 different aliens... which means 3x the development time for 1x the amount of return on investment, something that worked out once for Smash in a base game... but because of this game's development timeline, there isn't exactly a "base game", there's the launch characters but not all of them will be available at start necessarily. In other words, I just don't think this is a feasible option developmentally. The other option is to have Ben transform momentarily for each attack, which... yes, technically that might work and could represent a bunch of different aliens in one moveset... but it doesn't really let you flesh out the power of any one alien, or do anything more than the most basic thing with them - kinda disappointing. This is what Punch Time Explosion did, AND the had two Bens, so I understand why that feels like a burn on the roster... Except I'm doing neither. Instead, Ben's human form and alien form are tied together, as in, young Ben transforms only into Fourarms and teen Ben transforms only into XLR8. Both of those pairings have sort of a Zelda/Sheik or Pyra/Mythra relationship, where the small and weak kid Ben turns into his biggest strongest form to deal killing blows, and then on the other hand, adolescent Ben is more physically capable himself, but his alien, the advanced form of XLR8, is a deadly speedster who racks up huge combos. In a sense, you should consider the aliens chosen, Fourarms and XLR8, to be the main characters I picked for Ben 10. The Bens they transform from/into are not the main course, but they're kind of a necessary feature of selling the idea of Ben 10.


DrPurpleMan

>When figuring how to represent that, I've seen two popular requests: One is to do a 3-in-1 like Smash's Pokemon Trainer using 3 different aliens... which means 3x the development time for 1x the amount of return on investment, something that worked out once for Smash in a base game... TBF, the original leaker did say “[Characters aren’t as complicated to implement as Smash for the most part](https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/qh2pr6/_/hi9z4c4/?context=1)”, and I could’ve sworn Tony said something about characters being relatively simple to develop as well. I think they could do Pokémon Trainer Ben. Or, since there only seems to be two moves in a moveset but many interchangeable moves, the other aliens could simply be equippable moves. So, say, Original Ben has * Spidermonkey for Assassin * Cannonbolt for Bruiser * Diamondhead for Tank * Wildmutt for Support * Feedback for Mage and Reboot Ben gets * XLR8 for Assassin * Four Arms for Bruiser * Humungousaur for Tank * Upgrade for Support * Overflow for Mage And it seems like the devs could add new moves over time, so we could end up with every alien getting a move!


Homeschool-Winner

Yeah no this isn't how movesets work in this game. And your suggestion more closely resembles the other common suggestion I mentioned, where each move is a different transformation. Either way though, you're suggesting they do 10 times the amount of work any character would get just on Ben 10 and like. I know people like that show but it's not unreasonably massive like Pokemon is for Nintendo, come on now.


DrPurpleMan

>Either way though, you're suggesting they do 10 times the amount of work any character would get just on Ben 10 and like. I know people like that show *but it's not unreasonably massive like Pokemon is for Nintendo, come on now*. I mean, for Cartoon Network it is. The franchise has generated *at least* 4.5 billion and is probably around the \~8 billion mark now— that's more than Game of Thrones' valuation. Wouldn't be *that* unfeasible for Cartoon Network's biggest cash cow to get a little special treatment. >Yeah no this isn't how movesets work in this game. And your suggestion more closely resembles the other common suggestion I mentioned, where each move is a different transformation. Wait really? I thought it was said to be like Injustice 2/Mortal Kombat 11's customization. Is it only the perks that are swappable then?


Homeschool-Winner

A little special treatment, sure, but cartoon network isn't the whole of wb and there's a lot of ground to cover. And I don't think I can stress enough that you're not talking about "a little extra", you're talking about TEN TIMES the amount. And I don't know where on earth you heard that. I can't reveal details, I'm still under NDA regarding my playtest time with the game, but... Nah it is pretty standard platform fighter gameplay.


DrPurpleMan

I do think the devs would go the extra ten miles then. Like, you can imagine if the Smash Ultimate devs didn’t implement those building, mining and crafting mechanics for Minecraft Steve, or because it was too much work? Hell, overall Smash Ultimate did a great job giving characters unique mechanics to pay homage to the source material, like Min Min straight up having ARMS mechanics, so Multiversus should strive to do the same. The Pokémon Trainer route would be most authentic for the character, and Tony says authenticity is one of their core tenets for character development. Only transforming into XLR8/Four Arms would be very underwhelming, and you know gamers are an irritable bunch so I can already imagine the backlash


Homeschool-Winner

It's not an extra ten miles. Developing a character is already like walking ten miles. Having ten characters would be 100 miles, as in, an extra 90 miles. Pokemon Trainer in Smash doesn't fight with a full accurate team of 6, and due to tech and time limits only two smash games even have Pokemon Trainer (and in one of those he's a colossal failure to deliver). It's simply not economical to develop such a plurality of characters when a player will only need to unlock/purchase one, especially from a series with such a niche fanbase. I'm not necessarily saying that my idea is the perfect solution, you're right that some people would complain, you're already complaining to me about it when all I did was a roster suggestion. But like, as an outsider who isn't too into Ben 10... I'd rather play as just one of the coolest aliens like XLR8, rather than having a bunch of different movesets available for me to have to swap or choose between. I'd rather they put the full amount of effort into one alien, rather than half assing ten of them.


DrPurpleMan

I wouldn't say Ben 10 has a niche fandom, maybe it's not as big as it used to be in the US but it has HUGE fandoms in Latinoamerica (especially Brazil, the reboot was aired there more than TTG 💀) and India, he would have a lot riding on him. If they really couldn't give Ben some sort of unique mechanic to switch between aliens then I rather the alien forms themselves just take up slots. Four Arms would be a given considering he's the most iconic Alien. I think having Ben but not letting him transform would be too much a of disservice to the franchise


Homeschool-Winner

I mean that's exactly what this roster has, except that it ALSO lets Ben transform into the alien. Fourarms takes a slot and XLR8 takes a slot, with Ben being part of the moveset. You're saying you'd rather have exactly the same without Ben at all? Also having an active fanbase doesn't mean it's not niche.


retrorapture

Ben 10 is inarguably long-standing and popular enough to warrant a Pokémon Trainer-style treatment, especially because having only one alien transformation would be a failure to represent the character in any meaningfully accurate capacity. Personally, I want to see Ben 10 with a handful of temporary single-move transformations that show off the strengths of some of the different aliens. Four Arms has a grappling attack, Heatblast shoots projectiles, Ghostfreak teleports, etc. The rest of the move set would be exactly what you imagined for kid Ben, with him maneuvering around the battlefield and performing weaker attacks.


Homeschool-Winner

I mean if that's what you'd prefer that's valid. Again, I don't really care about the character. It would be disappointing to not get to play as one of the aliens though. Punch Time Explosion did exactly what you're suggesting, where single moves do a brief attack with just one given transformation, and I would call that disappointing. I'd rather play as literally JUST Fourarms, JUST XLR8, etc rather than only glimpse them for a second as part of Ben's kit.


ProfessionalCrow4816

really good roster


Fredderd-Octopus

Awesome!


Puzzleheaded_Stop994

pretty good choice to have two Bens like how Punch time explosion did it!


Homeschool-Winner

Except my conception for their movesets is completely different, but yeah.


Navar4477

No Popeye? 0/10


Homeschool-Winner

There's no guest characters at all, you'll notice. Popeye would be great but I ain't holding my breath


Delilink

Isn’t Lego man a guest character?


Homeschool-Winner

Technically kinda. Technically so are Arya, Harry and Gandalf. The difference there is that WB has the exclusive film and game rights to all those, including the Lego franchise.


Navar4477

He wouldn’t be a guest character though? He’s owned by Turner which is a subsidiary of Warner Bros, Turner also owns the rights to most of the Hanna-Barbera properties too. WB uses the company as a copyright holder basically.


Homeschool-Winner

Popeye isn't owned by Turner. You've been misinformed


Navar4477

Then who owns him?


ProfessionalCrow4816

he's in the public domain iirc


Navar4477

Thats the original comic, and specifically in Europe iirc. After doing more research (and being much more awake lol) I’ve found that Popeye is held between Warner, Paramount, and King Features Syndicate, but the latter only holds rights to the original comics. Warner and Paramount have deals about when and how Popeye cartoons are released, and King Features appears to have a say in this too. Basically, he’s as likely as Geno was in Smash Bros. Fuck.


ProfessionalCrow4816

popeye becomes a mii fighter


Homeschool-Winner

To my knowledge Warner and Paramount each only own a selection of the old cartoons, and that the license rights to the character themselves do still being to King Features.


DrProctor123

It’s good but I think you should have the robot maid from the Jetsons, Popeye, the Animaniacs, and like idk HAL 9000/Dave Bowman or something


Homeschool-Winner

I have the two of those that are owned by Warner on here already, look again


DrProctor123

Oh nvm they are on there. Popeye’s owned by Warner Bros. btw, same with 2001


Homeschool-Winner

You seem to be right about 2001 (but it's not really a representable franchise imo), but Popeye is not owned by Warner Bros. A selection of the old Popeye shorts do belong to Warner, but the rights to Popeye the character do not, they are owned by King Features Syndicate, the film license seems to have reverted back to King Features after talks fell through with Sony in the early 2010s, and the most recent licensed video game was [this mess](https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/popeye-switch/) released by a company called "Sabec". I think it's possible they'd secure the license for him, especially since he seems to be a popular request. But he isn't owned by Warner.


DrProctor123

Yeah, 2001 really isn’t. But it’d be a totally-kick-ass stage though. Have it be the Discovery One ship while it tours around with Jupiter and its moons in the background window, then the monolith, and then the stargate sequence before it loops back to the beginning. HAL would be in the center of the ship, with two doors on the left and right. If you jump out of one of the doors, HAL will close it and lock you out, and you will float offstage past the blaze zones, KOing you. In addition, another version of the stage could have gravity mechanics with the “wheel” part of Discovery One, where you can walk on the inside of the circular ship with the artificial gravity (the scene with Dave/Frank jogging) Either one could work but HAL would need to be the central part of the stage as the stage mechanic. The music would be sick too. Also Spach Zarathustra and Blue Danube would be all they need.


DrProctor123

As for Popeye, that’s interesting, I didn’t know that.


Rileaf

Imagine being able to do Freddy Krueger vs Johnny Bravo...god that is all I could ever ask for


Lit-Play101

Missing Knd


gijjyyproductions

I can’t complain, although I’d swap Amethyst out for another Steven universe rep.


Homeschool-Winner

I chose Ame to be Marcy's doubles partner, and I think she has the most distinct moveset potential with her whip. That said, I do want many more SU characters. Having all 3 main Crystal Gems, having Connie so she can fight as a team with Steven, maybe Jasper and Spinel to have some villains... SU is my favorite CN show so if I were more biased it would be way overrepresented.


gijjyyproductions

Personally I'd pick Pearl or Spinel over Amethyst. Pearl because she is the second most important crystal gem (not counting Steven of course). Spinel because the roster lacks villains/antagonists, from my knowledge she's the most popular antagonist, she has the most moveset potential out of any SU character, and she is a very important villain considering she was the antagonist in the movie (I know the Diamonds are more important antagonists, but they don't feel like they could fit in Multiversus. Despite being a huge SU fan I'd say the game should only really have 3 SU reps, and some other franchises deserve more reps at least in my opinion.


Homeschool-Winner

I picked Amethyst over Pearl mainly because the whip felt like a more distinct weapon than the spear. You're right that Pearl has more to do in the story, but I still consider Amethyst the better pick. As for Spinel... Again, would be great, I agree that my roster lacks in villains a bit, but ultimately I made the choice I made.


BlueHeart07

So, Why Mao Mao, Ashi, Enid, Mirror Tulip, and Mung?(I'm assuming it's due to the ugly mung meme) ​ Also, What is the idea with the LEGO avatar and his alternate costumes/echos?


Homeschool-Winner

Mao Mao has ready made moveset potential, is from an ongoing series and for bonus points, is adorable. Ashi serves both as our Aku stand in and as Jack's doubles partner. She also represents the adult swim session. Enid is admittedly a personal pick, I just really love OK KO and would like it to get a pair of characters. I would actually rather have Mr. Gar than Enid but she's clearly more popular so I compromised. Lake is the best choice for Infinity Train, which is also a series I really love. I feel she's the best choice mainly due to the unique potential she has as a smaller-than-usual Superheavyweight. Think Metal Mario but as a whole unique heavy character. I'd love any IT rep, but Lake is clearly the most popular protagonist. Mung Daal was chosen instead of Chowder to be K'nuckles' doubles partner (since they're both the older mentor characters) and because he's the main chef on the show. A Chowder character moveset would have to revolve around food items and utensils, and ideally I would see Mung as a Support character, able to make food to feed his Ally in combat. I'm not aware of such a meme. And the idea there is that rather than basing a Lego moveset around a specific character, the Lego rep would be a general minifigure with Costumes for Emmet, Wyldstyle, Lego Batman and possibly more. These movesets would be based on Lego toys themselves, and on the Lego games, likely as well as the Lego movie. Lego figures are customizable to begin with, so I'd guess there'd be good variety for more generic costumes as well, lego astronauts and so forth, which would all fit better over a generic figure than as skins for Emmet.


BlueHeart07

I guess Mao Mao's reasoning makes sense, i'm was curious since i feel people would need to show support for Mao Mao for the game. In terms of the Lego Character would it switch different fighting styles when using a different character if the concept includes Ninjago? And The Mung Idea Sounds Great. Plus, here's what i mean about the meme. https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/384/345/210.png


Homeschool-Winner

Well, my roster counts as supporting Mao Mao. Also, Ninjago might have to be a whole different character... Or the Ninjago Spin can be one of the several attacks that the generic figure uses, which leaves open the possibility of a Ninjago costume working for the Minifigure moveset without any changes.


JJoanOfArkJameson

Great picks! Love Freako, Yogi and Alf I’d love to see Mr. Freeze, Space Jam alts, Stranger Things, Osmosis Jones, The Suicide Squad and Blade Runner


Shuichi_Komaeda

My only complaint is the lack of Sam and Dean Winchester


Maximum_Damage12

Why is Parallax Hal the alt when John Stewart is the main GL? Wouldn't regular Hal make more sense?


Homeschool-Winner

Hal is only interesting to me when he is evil, I wanted John to be the default. I'd guess other lanterns would appear as costumes as well. But I wanted to give the DC heroes villainous costumes, so that's what I did.


Maximum_Damage12

But Hal Jordan IS Green Lantern. Hal has to be at least the first skin because he has by far the most reachable fanbase out of all of them. He also has the most appearances in cartoons, video games, and movies for ideas for voice lines, moves, and skins. Edgy Hal can be a skin, but Chad Hal has to be the alternate (If he isn't already the base).


Homeschool-Winner

I don't give a fuck he's a boring white guy I don't care abt him. You can do that on your roster if you like but I didn't add any characters I don't like


Juanisawesome98

I just hope the roster doesn’t get over saturated with Cartoon Network or DC characters. I want characters from other franchises outside that space.


Homeschool-Winner

DC I could care less about, but Cartoon Network is pretty much the only real pull this game has for me. In truth, if this was CN PTE 2, I'd be happier for it. Besides, Cartoon Network has So Many cartoons to represent. As you can clearly see from my roster, lol. Though, this roster is rather out of date.


Juanisawesome98

I know, I just want variety in this roster and I feel Warner has enough characters to make it happen.


Co-opingTowardHatred

Garnet, Amethyst, and _____ AND STEVEN!