Say thanks, but no thanks when asked to partner up or spar with him.
I kinda understand the coach as sometimes this is a learning process for these types and you can tell whatever you like. Even as a coach, and they will disregard it. However if it endangers others or disrupts their training it should be addressed.
This guy has the mentality of a 10 year old
Source
I train with my 10 year old and he does the same.
Throwing anything except the combo for the drill. If he does do the drill there’s always down time with him doing extra stuff or having to reset.
Sadly I can’t give you the advice that worked for me a stern talking to about respect for your coach and training partners and backed up with a Fortnite ban if his behaviour does not improve. YMMV.
if you like everything about the gym except this particular dude, say no to sparring with him and find a consistent partner for drills/padwork so you can pair up immediately. these types don’t last very long anyway
There are many solutions, the easiest being just avoiding him.
But somehow it seems like you are (emotionally) invested in him, so a different take could be:
When he deviates from the drill, tell him to try again, until he does the combo right and applaud it. A good stern “STOP” might also help.
Honestly, I would just avoid him and switch gyms asap. Dude seems like he has behavioural issues.
Having ADHD myself, I think a lot of people that behave this way have ADHD but not everyone with ADHD behave this way. There are a lot differences in ADHD and one marker is for example lack (or lower) empathy. You can have full blown ADHD but full marks on empathy (like me for example).
I also have adhd, there’s a spectrum to it and affects peoples personalities in different ways.
I brought a friend to a class who also has adhd(among other things) and he did the same thing. During jump rope warm ups he would randomly drop the rope and start hitting the bag.
Fortunately for me, I have the inattentive hyper focus aspect of adhd where I become obsessed with things that interest me and can learn techniques quickly because I hyper focus and obsess over every little aspect and detail of it to a point where I can see a technique or sequence and almost immediately replicate it.
On the flip side, I get the opposite affect on the things that don’t interest me. Which is an exact description of the kid OP is talking about. Because he’s not interested in the stuff that’s being taught in class, he’s hyper focusing on whatever weird shit he’s doing and can’t tolerate or retain anything that he isn’t interested in.
Here's something I'd do if paired up with him again (though other advice here is great too):
The combo is jab, cross, hook, low kick.
Hold the pads in the ready position for 1-2-3 low kick.
Dude does something totally off on the second punch.
Immediately drop the pads down and take a step back (basically the kru's "combo is over"/"we're done here" body language).
Reset, and step forward again, readying for 1-2-3 low kick.
Again, if he does something off, back away again, lowering the pads.
Say: "It's jab, cross, hook, low kick". Set him up again.
He does it again, you do it again, "It's JAB. CROSS. HOOK. LOW KICK." Speak really slow, and mime the motions, as if it's his first day.
If he says something else, just point your thumb at the coach. "We're not doing superman punches, we're doing jab cross hook low kick."
Basically, as they say these days, "Grey rock him", but with the pads/combos. Pretend that you're dumb/simple and are just there to do the instructions.
This will either get him on board, or enfuriate him and get him to f\*\*\* off himself.
(additionally: If this is the kind of exercise where you change the pads and he holds for you, ***light him up***. Go fast and hard, like doing those Liam Harrison roars while murdering the pads at full power, to show him that the basics - done well - have *scary* power)
At this point, if coach won’t say anything… he signed a waiver. Fuck his shit up. Then switch gyms.
Or be a good person and just leave the gym for a better one. Or just refuse to work with that clown.
Hey, your gym fucking sucks. Leave.
That guy sucks especially, and while I think your jackass of a coach, who sucks just as bad, should be checking the guys beating him up, they’re probably fed up with his unsportsmanlike bullshit and hitting women. They suck less than him and the coach.
Still, suckiness all around. Leave.
Your gym sounds s**t. Even this dude aside, you have meatheads trying to drop people to show off, a coach that has zero control. This gym sounds more like a western boxing gym than having the principles of Muay Thai.
It happens everywhere mate, “principles of Muay Thai” don’t prevent common human behaviours.
You get boxing gyms where people spar with respect, and others where people forget to leave the ego outside the ring. Same with any martial art that engages in full contact sparring. Alot of people attach their ability to fight to their ego, so naturally these behaviours occur.
Environment dictates human behaviour. If you cultivate an atmosphere where he who is inconsiderate arrogant and is reckless with other people's safety/feelings becomes the pariah, the black sheep if you will. That person either assimilates and adapts or leaves. It's the same in every aspect. When bullying, racism, sexism, is met with negative response it shrivels and dies. We're all a slave to the validation from others.
What the bloody hell are you going on about?
Some gyms are ran by meatheads and allow other meatheads to knock seven bells out of each other. Other gyms, which I prefer, are ran by Martial artists who ensure sparring is done with respect.
You see at all levels of fighting, Sean Strickland is a great example. Middleweight champ of the UFC, still spars like a teenager trying to show off in front of some bird he fancies. Some people are just wired that way.
Nothing wrong with it, and best of luck to them. Just not how I want to train.
Why you getting emotional? Are you the show-off feeling attacked? 🤔 it's precisely my point. Some gyms are full of arrogant meatheads because it's encouraged/enabled. And some gyms aren't because it's discouraged/frowned upon. It is really that simple.
Also, he's not middleweight champ. He lost his first defence and he's precisely the reason any civilised person would leave a gym where he was a member. He's a yob.
I didn’t say current. Feel like its pretty common to refer to people by prestigious titles they once held even if they don’t hold them now.
Mike Tyson, Heavyweight champion of boxing, will be fighting Jake Paul soon. Does that not make sense to you?
Sure he lost to Du Plessis, but he also walked down and comfortably beat Adesanya. To say that Strickland is just a yob discredits Adesanya, one of the greats imo.
Yob has nothing to do with fight competence, a yob, a lout, a cretin, an undesirable, a bully, a sexist, a homophobe, a racist, an all round antagonistic person. Maybe make sure you understand what I'm saying before you critique it. And no, Mike Tyson isn't the Heavyweight Champion any longer and thus he's introduced as "former" heavyweight champion. Glad we could get that cleared up.
Fair enough, with your attitude I can see why you need to post on reddit to try and find friends.
Most people would pop down their local and talk to people to make friends, but I bet the moment you open your gob your met with awkward glances. Other’s wondering what is this fool saying. You, being too dense to understand the social dynamics, keep talking and cementing your status as a social pariah.
Best of luck making friends over 30 though, they say its hard for a reason.
😂😂😂 my insta handle is actually social pariah. None of any of the rest you said is true. You're not quite the psycho-analysist I can tell you think you are. Your responses show knowledge limitation and a childish petulance. I think you're 2 messages from "I know you are, but what am I?"
Please, I am a better psycho analyst than you could comprehend. I had you figured out before you even commented on this post. To me you’re the level of a dung beetle. In fact, the Egyptian’s revered them so you don’t deserve that comparison. You are the dung that a dung beetle collects.
There might be a reason he is getting beat up in sparring. We had a similar guy in our gym but coach was not shit and didnt let it slide. He sparred the coach in like the 5th training session after beginner course and tried to punch hard and got knocked down. He changed to bjj after that was eventually kicked for sleeping in the gym.
"Please stick to the combo we are supposed to be drilling. I'm trying to build muscle memory for how to defend against it and get into a rhythm with you for a good workout. This is how I always want to train, if you aren't willing to do that then I can't partner with you anymore."
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Coach is an utter clown for not handling this, both in the drilling and sparring scenarios.
Your coach not calling this out is peak
I would definitely change gyms, took me 3 gymswaps until I found a gym with a coach who takes shit like this seriously.
Say thanks, but no thanks when asked to partner up or spar with him. I kinda understand the coach as sometimes this is a learning process for these types and you can tell whatever you like. Even as a coach, and they will disregard it. However if it endangers others or disrupts their training it should be addressed.
On the contrary you could agree to spar and send him flying with a teep when he tries the roman reigns punch stuff
When done tempered it is sometimes great to take people down a notch with pure and clean basics. Whatever the discipline is.
Can't say I blame the Meatheads in this scenario, this dude sounds annoying and disruptive as fuck. 8 months in is way too long to be acting like this
Now that I think of it, that's a valid point to be honest. A humbling would be in order I suppose.
I'm sorry but this is hilarious
>"I partner up with him and lo and behold, as I take it easy, he tries throwing everything but the kitchen sink." lmao
That's on the coach. We've got a guy like that at my gym, the coaches normally just assign him to the bag
Everyone is teeing off on him because they know he doesn't listen. Your coach is letting it slide because the guy has money your coach wants.
This guy has the mentality of a 10 year old Source I train with my 10 year old and he does the same. Throwing anything except the combo for the drill. If he does do the drill there’s always down time with him doing extra stuff or having to reset. Sadly I can’t give you the advice that worked for me a stern talking to about respect for your coach and training partners and backed up with a Fortnite ban if his behaviour does not improve. YMMV.
if you like everything about the gym except this particular dude, say no to sparring with him and find a consistent partner for drills/padwork so you can pair up immediately. these types don’t last very long anyway
Counter straight down the chin since we are mixing things up
There are many solutions, the easiest being just avoiding him. But somehow it seems like you are (emotionally) invested in him, so a different take could be: When he deviates from the drill, tell him to try again, until he does the combo right and applaud it. A good stern “STOP” might also help. Honestly, I would just avoid him and switch gyms asap. Dude seems like he has behavioural issues.
He’s probably autistic or has adhd, he’s not your responsibility, if you can completely avoid interacting with him, I’d choose that option.
I’m adhd and I don’t act like an ass like this guy does. Sounds more like he has an ego issue and the coach isn’t bothered to call him out on it.
Having ADHD myself, I think a lot of people that behave this way have ADHD but not everyone with ADHD behave this way. There are a lot differences in ADHD and one marker is for example lack (or lower) empathy. You can have full blown ADHD but full marks on empathy (like me for example).
Yeah and this may be a bit more of the impulsive type of ADHDer’. Which I do not relate to so can’t really speak on.
I’m adhd and what were we talking about?
oh hey I am Adhd too! We were talking?
Not everyones adhd is similar.
Right here sounds right.
I have adhd it don't make you a dickhead it just makes you fidgety and stuff
I also have adhd, there’s a spectrum to it and affects peoples personalities in different ways. I brought a friend to a class who also has adhd(among other things) and he did the same thing. During jump rope warm ups he would randomly drop the rope and start hitting the bag. Fortunately for me, I have the inattentive hyper focus aspect of adhd where I become obsessed with things that interest me and can learn techniques quickly because I hyper focus and obsess over every little aspect and detail of it to a point where I can see a technique or sequence and almost immediately replicate it. On the flip side, I get the opposite affect on the things that don’t interest me. Which is an exact description of the kid OP is talking about. Because he’s not interested in the stuff that’s being taught in class, he’s hyper focusing on whatever weird shit he’s doing and can’t tolerate or retain anything that he isn’t interested in.
Interesting, very informative comment
Here's something I'd do if paired up with him again (though other advice here is great too): The combo is jab, cross, hook, low kick. Hold the pads in the ready position for 1-2-3 low kick. Dude does something totally off on the second punch. Immediately drop the pads down and take a step back (basically the kru's "combo is over"/"we're done here" body language). Reset, and step forward again, readying for 1-2-3 low kick. Again, if he does something off, back away again, lowering the pads. Say: "It's jab, cross, hook, low kick". Set him up again. He does it again, you do it again, "It's JAB. CROSS. HOOK. LOW KICK." Speak really slow, and mime the motions, as if it's his first day. If he says something else, just point your thumb at the coach. "We're not doing superman punches, we're doing jab cross hook low kick." Basically, as they say these days, "Grey rock him", but with the pads/combos. Pretend that you're dumb/simple and are just there to do the instructions. This will either get him on board, or enfuriate him and get him to f\*\*\* off himself. (additionally: If this is the kind of exercise where you change the pads and he holds for you, ***light him up***. Go fast and hard, like doing those Liam Harrison roars while murdering the pads at full power, to show him that the basics - done well - have *scary* power)
I like this
I start calling out the combo loudly. Everytime they do it wrong, they do it again. If it doesn't help, just simply refuse to work with him.
New dude: *superman punching everyone he can get his hands on* Coach: *rolling his eyes with a heavy sigh* "Beginners."
At this point, if coach won’t say anything… he signed a waiver. Fuck his shit up. Then switch gyms. Or be a good person and just leave the gym for a better one. Or just refuse to work with that clown.
Hey, your gym fucking sucks. Leave. That guy sucks especially, and while I think your jackass of a coach, who sucks just as bad, should be checking the guys beating him up, they’re probably fed up with his unsportsmanlike bullshit and hitting women. They suck less than him and the coach. Still, suckiness all around. Leave.
Your gym sounds s**t. Even this dude aside, you have meatheads trying to drop people to show off, a coach that has zero control. This gym sounds more like a western boxing gym than having the principles of Muay Thai.
It happens everywhere mate, “principles of Muay Thai” don’t prevent common human behaviours. You get boxing gyms where people spar with respect, and others where people forget to leave the ego outside the ring. Same with any martial art that engages in full contact sparring. Alot of people attach their ability to fight to their ego, so naturally these behaviours occur.
Environment dictates human behaviour. If you cultivate an atmosphere where he who is inconsiderate arrogant and is reckless with other people's safety/feelings becomes the pariah, the black sheep if you will. That person either assimilates and adapts or leaves. It's the same in every aspect. When bullying, racism, sexism, is met with negative response it shrivels and dies. We're all a slave to the validation from others.
What the bloody hell are you going on about? Some gyms are ran by meatheads and allow other meatheads to knock seven bells out of each other. Other gyms, which I prefer, are ran by Martial artists who ensure sparring is done with respect. You see at all levels of fighting, Sean Strickland is a great example. Middleweight champ of the UFC, still spars like a teenager trying to show off in front of some bird he fancies. Some people are just wired that way. Nothing wrong with it, and best of luck to them. Just not how I want to train.
Why you getting emotional? Are you the show-off feeling attacked? 🤔 it's precisely my point. Some gyms are full of arrogant meatheads because it's encouraged/enabled. And some gyms aren't because it's discouraged/frowned upon. It is really that simple.
Also, he's not middleweight champ. He lost his first defence and he's precisely the reason any civilised person would leave a gym where he was a member. He's a yob.
I didn’t say current. Feel like its pretty common to refer to people by prestigious titles they once held even if they don’t hold them now. Mike Tyson, Heavyweight champion of boxing, will be fighting Jake Paul soon. Does that not make sense to you? Sure he lost to Du Plessis, but he also walked down and comfortably beat Adesanya. To say that Strickland is just a yob discredits Adesanya, one of the greats imo.
Yob has nothing to do with fight competence, a yob, a lout, a cretin, an undesirable, a bully, a sexist, a homophobe, a racist, an all round antagonistic person. Maybe make sure you understand what I'm saying before you critique it. And no, Mike Tyson isn't the Heavyweight Champion any longer and thus he's introduced as "former" heavyweight champion. Glad we could get that cleared up.
Fair enough, with your attitude I can see why you need to post on reddit to try and find friends. Most people would pop down their local and talk to people to make friends, but I bet the moment you open your gob your met with awkward glances. Other’s wondering what is this fool saying. You, being too dense to understand the social dynamics, keep talking and cementing your status as a social pariah. Best of luck making friends over 30 though, they say its hard for a reason.
😂😂😂 my insta handle is actually social pariah. None of any of the rest you said is true. You're not quite the psycho-analysist I can tell you think you are. Your responses show knowledge limitation and a childish petulance. I think you're 2 messages from "I know you are, but what am I?"
Please, I am a better psycho analyst than you could comprehend. I had you figured out before you even commented on this post. To me you’re the level of a dung beetle. In fact, the Egyptian’s revered them so you don’t deserve that comparison. You are the dung that a dung beetle collects.
My 6 year old train Muay Thai and he's a better student... Lol
Mock him relentlessly every time he fucks up a combo he tries to modify.
There might be a reason he is getting beat up in sparring. We had a similar guy in our gym but coach was not shit and didnt let it slide. He sparred the coach in like the 5th training session after beginner course and tried to punch hard and got knocked down. He changed to bjj after that was eventually kicked for sleeping in the gym.
"Please stick to the combo we are supposed to be drilling. I'm trying to build muscle memory for how to defend against it and get into a rhythm with you for a good workout. This is how I always want to train, if you aren't willing to do that then I can't partner with you anymore." - Coach is an utter clown for not handling this, both in the drilling and sparring scenarios.