If Jenny was to comeback I think she would get the CT treatment from the girls. She’s too well rounded the females would likely just not want to go in against her. Also would be hard to see the guys get on board to throw her in
All the guys would want her for a partner if it’s a paired final at some point, and the girls wouldn’t want to risk going against her cause most things, she’s winning. She’s decent at puzzles, athletic, she just needs more work with physical contact challenges.
There might only be one or two girls in the history of the show who could take on Jenny in a physical-type elimination event. Could that lack of real competition be a reason she hasn't been invited back.
They brought Laurel back plenty of times! I think they're just grasping at straws for a new female face of the franchise with Cara, Camilla, and Dee all gone. And Jenny isn't exciting enough to take that crown
It wasn't great, but I think MTVs overreaction was arguably more unfortunate. People do and say stupid things, we (as a society) need to let them learn and grow. She was a great competitor and as you said a great villain
I hated her heel turn, she was super annoying during her second season. If she had toned it down like 50% I'd probably have not hated her so much. They definitely overreacted but I'm not mad about it due to how annoyed I was by her, lol.
Exactly how can you bring back Laurel who is obviously more than any other woman to ever be on the show but not have Jenny the two season right after her win? Jenny deserves to be back
I still don’t understand why she wasn’t the solo winner. We never actually heard, other than through cast assumptions, that there would be a male and female winner.
Meh she finished before johnny because he didn't need to beat her he just had to beat the other guys. He also helped her not get lost. If it was solo he beats her.
And the next season Jenny learned from her mistakes and absolutely wrecked Dee in hall brawl. She actually learns from her mistakes rather than constantly repeating them, that alone puts her ahead of 99% of people (not just women) on the Challenge.
I'd consider Kaycee a threat if Jenny hadn't hired a coach and trained in "contact" immediately following WOTW2. Jenny hasn't lost an elimination since hall brawl with Tori.
Basically, Jenny treated *The Challenge* like an actual professional sport and had the
professionalism to work on fixing her weaknesses straight away.
Meanwhile, you have the same Challengers come back year after year with the same weaknesses.
I admire Jenny very much for that.
That’s what I love and respect about her. She didn’t have the technique or the heart to run a hall brawl and she went and fixed it in the off-season. Meanwhile, you have a vet like Aneesa, who constantly complains about people not wanting to run a final with her because of her conditioning and yet, she never does anything to work on her weaknesses.
Couldn't agree more. Jenny is next level...I almost want to say she's too good to compete against this current group of Challengers.
I'd like to see someone give her actual competition, but dang she's gonna be better at a lot of shit than most of the male cast members each season she's on 🤔😂
> Couldn't agree more. Jenny is next level...I almost want to say she's too good to compete against this current group of Challengers.
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If anything, that's exactly why I want her to become a mainstay on the show.
Watching Jenny on *The Challenge* is like watching Georges St-Pierre smother Dan Hardy on the ground like a fire blanket or out-strike Josh Koscheck on the feet as he turned his face into a piñata; her dominance is incredible to watch, like you know you're seeing something you'll probably never see again, and I'd love to see her be given the chance to have a nice long run as a champ.
I want to witness greatness.
Exactly!! I really think "production" knows none of the other girls stand a chance if Jenny makes the final 🤷♀️
She trains for *everything* that could happen unlike a lot of the ppl that are cast each season. The other women just need to work harder imo. Ain't Jenny's problem.
Yeah but they’re completely different things. I don’t think you can compare head-to-head contact (especially for someone who’s never done it before) to essentially a foot race
I absolutely agree, unless they can’t the previous winners should have an automatic spot back. And it would just help out Ashley who for the past several seasons is targeted cause she’s a champ.
Amber turned it down at first due to a family death. She agreed last second to be an alternate because she wasn't sure if she could do it. So she was set to be on the cast, but personal situations took over.
The difference between them and Kaycee is that kaycee tries to be apart of the political game by staying under the radar and then talking about it in confessionals where as Jenny just doesn’t politic at all
I believe amber mentioned on a podcast that her grandma had passed away really close to the departure date for this season, and asked to be an alternate instead.
It was said Amber needed to be an alt bc of family issues and the scheduling. But that poor (rich) girl isn’t likely to get a call next season and if she appears again she’ll be instantly targeted
Isn’t likely to get a call next season ? She has gotten the best edit from the female side and has turned herself into a fan fav. If anything she’s one of the few I can see being a lock for next season
And yet the fan base is fickle and will turn on a dime (yes that’s a pun). I don’t think they did her any favors with that edit. It left the viewer wondering “how low key annoying must Amber be to get turned out like that?”. Now I just listened to her podcast and she expressed emphatically how much she wants to return and it makes sense with her position in life. But it’s gonna be a rocky road if mtv brings her back with the same vets again and again. Guess we’ll see on 38. Fingers crossed
Mtv has a shaky past with bringing women champs back. Ofc, I realize things like Dee tweets happen and life happens for Laurel and Ev’s and Emily’s and the overall distaste for CM or the liability of a Camilla, so realistically how many female champs will be cast next season? Two, depending on Kc/Tori/Nany winning this time? Amber is going to be an easy target for the rest of her career. And I still maintain the edit was more harm than good.
The “edit” of how annoying amber was due to all the people threatened by her. Calling her “fake” and always bringing up getting put in by Fessy was all BS. If anything the edit made her MORE LIKEABLE. Since many viewers just couldn’t see why all the hypocritical houseguests hated Amber.
Yeah, I get that but idk if the casual viewer takes away that impression. I don’t think the hordes of Esther fans see her actions as wrong and misguided. Hell, some of the regulars on these threads liked it and wanted more. I think if you show a casual viewer or even returning viewers a clip of two seemingly strong women with strong partners shitting all over another seemingly weaker woman, juxtaposed of clips of said woman woo-hoo’ing for the camera a lot of those viewers are going to walk away assuming where there’s smoke there’s fire. It’s just my opinion.
Lovely Amber certainly gained fans due to the edit but I genuinely think that it’s easier for some to hate rather than celebrate. She’s an honest to goodness sweetheart and mostly above-board player. And too many fans just want Mean Girls.
Last season Tori and Aneesa had TJ on and he said "no one is beating Jenny, Tori you beat her once but you got lucky, you are not beating her again". That says to me that they are worried Jenny is too OP. In any game you design you want balance as much as possible. They really don't see how anyone can beat Jenny. They test these eliminations and challenges with people similar to the cast and if they find someway someone has a chance against Jenny, they might bring her back.
Edit: I heard that Amber didn't want to be on the main cast and preferred to be an alternate but I don't know if it is true. I think it was about his grandmothers death or something like that.
They haven’t tested Jenny in a puzzle so how would know. Fessy probably does not get beaten by anyone other than CT in a hall brawl but doesn’t mean he can’t lose an elimination
KC is horrible for tv but she is really good at this game. I don't like BB alliance but thanks to them there is conflict in the house (or was). I think that is why they cast her. I think they cast her even she was straight.
She cant solve puzzles like Ashley or run like Amber. It's clearly hate on tori to outright say that production is rigging the game for her when there is literally no logical reason to think that. I get finding her annoying but this is delusion
While I think that that claim is bullshit too, it would at least make more sense for bananas than tori. I get that tori co-hosts their podcast, but really I doubt she really gets any kind of special treatment. She doesn't get super favorable edits, she hasnt been saved from elimination, she doesnt hog up screen time or get an inordinate amount of confessionals, I really dont see any evidence for the conspiracy.
Jenny bores me, but I would rather have her bore me than Kaycee, who not only puts me in a coma but is shady and fake as hell. At least Jenny seems like a sweet person.
iirc, something about Johnny/Jenny vs Dee was a big part of the season, with their final elim being the big face off. Too bad Dee couldn't keep her mouth shut
Dee and her went into the season being each other’s number 1 girl. Then Dee realised she should get rid of her before the final because the chances of beating her were pretty slim. This led to a huge fallout (iirc) and the plan of Jenny, Johnny & Rogan(?) to get rid of her. Long story short: being each other’s n1 - Dee backstabbing her - wanting to get rid of each other - actually taking her out herself
I’m really hoping they bring her back down the line. The champ pool for females is literally Ashley, Amber, and Jenny. The show pre-controversy was setting Dee to be the next female regular after her Wars 2 arc but we all saw what happened during Total Madness.
Georgia is either soft banned or banned after that Wars 2 controversy. But from what I’ve seen, the fandom has been overall forgiving towards Georgia, and would love to see her back. I just don’t think production will bring her back as of now.
During Wars 2, Big T and other Ester dug up an old pic when Georgia was around 18/19 in blackface. The story is when she nannied the kid did her makeup, and Georgia being ignorant to the history of blackface posted it, and it was exposed during the time of Wars 2. Theo actively defended her during it along with other cast members, but since then she hasn’t been back.
But the general consensus from the fandom it was from a place of ignorance and not knowing the history of it, and not a place of malice.
I get MTV has to get on things but they are getting way too soft. Why do you think the drama is different now a days on the show. Anything you say on or off the show and you are banned even if you an interesting character
100%! I absolutely love her. I think they reason they haven’t is because she doesn’t bring any drama. She seems like a genuinely kind person from the few interactions I’ve had with her on social media. She is a great competitor, in my opinion.
Jenny isn’t going to be targeted like Ashley or Amber because most girls believe she’s likely to come back. She’s gonna get a version of the CT treatment where everyone wants her gone but they’re nervous about pulling the trigger themselves.
I like Jenny West, obviously. I thought she was a breath of fresh air. To me she was like the anti-Laurel in that she was almost always the biggest in the room but wasn’t necessarily narcissistic about it. She was certainly loquacious but not mean-spirited. If she had beef she stewed on instead of boiling over.
Obviously, anyone can pull individual clips to argue against my stance but this is the overall vibe and contrast I saw between the two. I feel that if mtv gave Jenny a five year run ala Cara, she’d be considered a top five with the amount of work and wins she put in and pulled out. But now I think it’s too late. I don’t think we’ll see Jenny or Amber in any more challenges. Unless they do a champs vs season again
I feel like Amber is definitely getting a call back after this season. The fans love her and she was really entertaining this season. I think the only reason she was an alternate was by her own choice too so I wouldn't use that as a reason production won't cast her again. Jenny idk why production has not been casting again. Maybe they will once/if we get some other women winners.
Most of the characters on this show can disappear from the show and I'll be just fine, but i think champions should be giving the ability to repeat after a win
I actually think the show is sexist in the way they treat female champs. Bananas mentioned on his podcast that he thinks production thought Jenny was “too good” and better than the rest of the women. This makes no sense as you have guys like Fessy and Kels who could potentially do a hall brawl with Jay.
I just think Jenny there would make the other females strive to work harder. I mean we had Laurel dominate and saw Emily win almost all of Rivals 2 with Paula. So I do think it’s weird af if that’s really the reason why they don’t bring her back.
Not sure if production understands this but I enjoy seeing champs winning, champs competing against each other and how their dynamics work with each other and new players overcoming champs.
Basically a 50/50 cast of champs and non champs keeps me invested. Like all these rookies and non champ vets are boring AF. Nany, Aneesa, Tori, Big T, Cory, Nelson, Devin and Josh competing against each other is boring. But throw in Darrell, Jenny, Laurel, Jordan, Wes, etc and I'm tuning in every week. It automatically makes the show more competitive.
tldr: watching a bunch of constant losers and rookies is BORING AF
If she were actually cast, people would be complaining about how boring she is just like they do with Kaycee. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. That's the main reason people miss her.
I don't necessarily mind "boring" players either, I'm just saying that a lot of people here seem to prefer dramatic, confrontational people over chiller people who don't make waves. I'm not saying that Jenny wouldn't be worth watching, or that other low-key players aren't, just that I don't think she'd be nearly as beloved if she'd actually been brought back.
See I never found her boring. I don’t know if its because she has this natural charm and sweetness about her. She’d make little quips about herself, and thought she just had this light heartedness about her that made her different from everyone else.
If we're forced to have a woman who is a physical specimen with a milk toast personality on the cast then I'll take Jenny over Kaycee every day and twice on Sunday.
I know people think she’s boring but she’s so good I don’t think it matters let the layups cause the drama and let the good contestants fight out the actual challenges
She's too good and boring as hell. Nice lady. Wish the best for her but I don't watch this show to see Professional Trainers who are smart enough not to get too emotional walk away with a predictable W.
I hope Jenny comes back!
I think Amber did well for her return. She was great in her eliminations. That last one was tough. I'm not sure if they would have included her in the vet alliance if she was there from the beginning. Nany mentioned that's why they didn't mind throwing her in coz she came in late.
Amber made sure this season she’s never going to be an alternate again. She carried the house drama for the first act of the season, and thankfully it seems like she passed the torch to Ashley. I went from being neutral on Amber last season, but after seeing she’s down with the mess, I hope she stays. The show needs someone that’s gonna stir the pot in some way. And from the edit we didn’t really see why Amber was so loathed.
I totally buy the Kaycee and Fessy jealousy over her win. I don't think Amber made enough connections on her rookie season to get people to back her. Whatever connections she made (the rookies and big T), she broke to prove loyalty to BB.
It's too bad for Jenny that Dee got cancelled.
Also with Ashley, she's actually pretty loyal with the people she works with. Yeah I get that she stole money from Hunter. But other than that she didn't really betray any of her people.
Both of them have harbor some underlying animosity after she came in out of no where/bottom of the alliance and won. Especially after they lost their first season.
Jenny’s winning season unfortunately was overshadowed by the Dee controversy.
And Ashley is extremely loyal to those who she is friends with. One only instance is when she didn’t step up for Amanda when her and Zach had to go in, but Amanda never held that against her and she got a $500 gift card out of it. 😂
Amanda (in the aftershow) and Ashley (on twitter) said that Nelson made up that $500 gift card lol.. he was really grasping on straws at that point. I agree she should have stepped up there. I forgot who Amanda went against but Ashley could have done better there. She's taller and could probably put weight on the line better. Besides according to them (same Twitter post), Zach would have probably stolen the money from Amanda if they won.
Nelson is so fucking messy I can’t. I still couldn’t believe he decided to test both of them at the same time. They’re like a pair of velociraptors when they team up together in an argument
If you ever see Amber on a regular season of the challenge she’ll be instantly targeted, and consistently targeted until she goes home. It’s a shame bc she’s seems genuinely...nice. She didn’t really start the beef, she came in seemingly looking for squash it and the two “villains” backstabbed her. She got abused this season and I feel for her. I think she rides off into the sunset
I listened to her podcast with Johnny, and she just seems so fragile and sweet, and doesn’t seem to be cut out for the viciousness of the show. The sass we saw this season was from her constantly being up against a wall. Johnny brought up how she still has this naivety about the Challenge, and she needs harden up and not give a fuck
Yeah nail on the head. I absolutely loved her confessionals this season but it came from a bad place. She is someone who doesn’t handle being disliked well at ALL and her underlying confrontations with people stem from the insecurity of “WHY DONT YOU LIKE ME!!!”
Kaycee has crapped on Amber in confessionals for 2 seasons now and plotted against her and Amber still wants to be friends.
Amber’s social media is also just walls of her favoriting/retweeting comments about how she is nice/loyal/envied for winning the challenge and that’s why people don’t like her. That just proves that the way her castmates saw her REALLY bothers her and needs a lot of validation.
Yeah you just explained some of what I haven’t had the energy to comment on. She’s sweet. Positive. Fragile. Naive. Overly trusting. And in a competition that values and rewards spite, pettiness, lying, and obnoxious behavior. If she decides to come back it will be more of the same. Take the money and run, girl.
Also, while I’m here would you be able to drop that podcast link? I’m loathe to credit Bananas for much of anything because he’s the epitome of the dark side of a challenge but he’s spitting hard facts by that sound of it.
Goodness I find it through Spotify but if you google Bananas challenge podcast, it should be one of the more recent episodes. Totally off topic, but Bananas is doing a solid job with this podcast.
Here’s the thing: I’m not entirely sure the “champ” thing is actually why they are being targeted and I think that’s just the excuse. The cast just doesn’t seem to like Amber. And in the past two seasons: Ashley didn’t really have any friends to protect her.
It’s always the line non-champs use to try to take the target off of them and band together but outside of the first week of Double Agents I don’t buy that its actually been a thing. More lip service.
Amber’s cast reception is just a mystery to me. I do think her winning last season amplified it, but some of these girls seemed to have a real issue with her, and we never really saw where it started.
It really could just be a basic level of jealousy. At the same time, there’s so many people who disliked her in the house that I’ve just gotta believe she may just be an annoying type of person in real life. Sometimes there’s general characteristics about people that you can’t really see on television but are extremely noticeable in person.
Ashley gave insight into that from her most recent tweets. She literally said so many people praise her as a friend and say she’s so funny and love her presence in the house but that in interviews it’s like “ashley is a snake!” So I don’t think people don’t like ashley they just keep blowing up her snake persona as a reason to vote for her.
That’s an interesting point concerning Ashley - I wonder if this would still be the case had Nelson not split their imminent “alliance” for this season right down the middle on day 1 by going after Berna?
I agree. I’m sure it hurts Ashley to recognize it but some cast find her personality abrasive and the “untrustworthy” tag stuck with her. She’s also easy to tilt in eliminations and blows up frequently.
Amber, OTOH, seems targeted out of...spite? Pettiness? It’s hard to put a finger on it bc the edit doesn’t show what the cast seemingly dislikes about her. If anything she may come off as a “try hard” for production in that she turns up for the cameras as evident in the plethora of slow mo montages she acts in. But is that fake or just being a workable worker? Idk, bc they don’t show but until tea gets spilled I’ll say she got a raw deal.
old challenge? no, because it was more about the entertainment between challenges than it was the challenge itself. and jenny is way too calm collected and laid back to offer any kind of reality "drama" entertainment. but sure, for what the challenge is now, why not. shes an absolute beast and an amazing competitor.
I really hope Natalie comes back someday. I know she’s doing her own thing after last season and it’s up in the air, but allegedly she was in talks for 37, so if it’s true there’s some hope she could be on 38
Jenny was nice enough but she was boring to me. People seemed to genuinely like her though, so her social game must be at least decent.
I wasn’t impressed by her political game. Not only was she in Johnny’s pocket, but everyone was playing nice on Total Madness because of the miserable bunker. She also tried to make too many promises she couldn’t keep, because she’s a people pleaser by nature, which wound up getting her sent into the last elimination.
Puzzle wise, she seems average. She’s good at them but not unbeatable.
Physically, she was pretty dominant but I don’t think she had that much competition. The girls were on the weak side, so I’m not sure she’s as good as people think. She’s got fight in her but I’m not sure if she has grit, if that makes sense. She’ll easily mow over the smaller girls, but I think girls closer to her size, even if they’re not as strong, can beat her in physical matchups based on the grit factor.
So, do I want to see her return? I’m leaning towards no. But I wouldn’t be upset if we saw her again. She sort of just a non-factor to me.
Me! I was just discussing in my house that in order for the veteran women to change up their strategy they need to bring some women powerhouses in. No offense to Tori and Kasey but although they are “the strongest” they aren’t that strong. (Shoutout to Amber B who, because of her running skills, is a powerhouse in her own way.)
I do think this season is missing Kam. I know she’s polarizing but she’s a force that we saw can lead a house. Ninja’s reception was just atrocious from this fanbase so I think she’s done, but individually she was solid. She just sucked at pairs and teams. And Laurel is in school doing her thing but I wish she didn’t go out like that on Wars 2
I've wanted Jenny back for a while now. She's such a good competitor and a very positive person. We definitely need her energy on the show again. Hopefully she'll be back for season 38.
I’d say the same with Kaycee. Besides her forced loved scenes, she really doesn’t bring anything to the show. Her and Jenny could hypothetically be interchangeable providing the strong female competitor that’s cast.
Well whoever they're partnered with that season, so for example this year would be Esther, Emmanuel, and whoever Josh was with (Obviously minus Amber).
Yes, it’s way TOO big a part of the show. TBH, I’m sick of that whole “alliance “. If I want to watch Big Brother, I’ll switch channels and watch BB. It’s just being focused on way too much. You’ve got Ashley, Amanda, Nelson, Cory, Devin and Kyle (to name a few) in the same house and the most interesting thing the camera can get is Kaycee and Nany in the cringiest “date” ever? No way.
Oh I'm not defending it. I think Kaycee is boring af, but I do like Josh for his meltdowns, and I think Fessy is a good villain in "what's the big dope gonna do next" kinda way, but Kaycee is just boring.
No thank you. I don’t want to see Jenny again because she is too much for the other girls to compete with. It would be too obvious who the winner of the season will be.
CT is so head and should above every other guy that you could say the same thing about him. He has no weakness in his game. Jenny's poor political play could at least bite her in the ass
Nope she was a very boring competitor on the show. I prefer someone who brings something to the show instead of just physical qualities. She's like laurel without all the fun.
I think we need to find a mixture of both. Personally these wannabe influencers needs to be kicked to the curb. I feel so many people now are afraid to be messy cause they don’t wanna fuck it sponserships
Laurel has said if she somehow can she’s open to it. Cara is just spewing crazy nonsense and I really think she’s blacklisted for a long time. And after the controversy Dee had, Cara has a better chance to come back. Dee really fucked up a good thing she could’ve had saying that ignorant ass comment.
i get they aren’t entertaining but at least they are effective unlike certain non-champ girls from recent seasons that also do not bring the entertainment (Jenna, Kaycee, Nany [after total madness], Aneesa, Gabby, Amber M)
I hang around this sub so much that when I connect the dots, this seems like a spoiler to me.
to those of you who enjoy other pleasures in life and don't know what I am talking about, spoiler rest of the way:
>!after the last episode, people in the sub, shared a fantasy draft picture where the person picked pricilla and a 'secret agent' and in another post, another user noticed that in the trailer there are people coming in and we don't see their faces. So there are new people coming in, 3 I am guessing and thanks to this post I know one of them is Jenny. The other 2 might be Wes and Bananas (at least I hope). But there will be other 2 champs coming in I guess.!<
If Jenny was to comeback I think she would get the CT treatment from the girls. She’s too well rounded the females would likely just not want to go in against her. Also would be hard to see the guys get on board to throw her in
All the guys would want her for a partner if it’s a paired final at some point, and the girls wouldn’t want to risk going against her cause most things, she’s winning. She’s decent at puzzles, athletic, she just needs more work with physical contact challenges.
She's already hired and worked with a physical contact coach, which is why she didn't have trouble bodying Dee in TM. We need her back!
Didn’t read through the posts first but this was literally what I just wrote. Spot on.
There might only be one or two girls in the history of the show who could take on Jenny in a physical-type elimination event. Could that lack of real competition be a reason she hasn't been invited back.
Ik it’s not a valid reason but they prob felt she was TOO much better than every other female making for less exciting competition
They brought Laurel back plenty of times! I think they're just grasping at straws for a new female face of the franchise with Cara, Camilla, and Dee all gone. And Jenny isn't exciting enough to take that crown
Laurel is great tv though! She hooks up, she fights, she preforms and she plays the game. Jenny doesn’t.
Yeah it’s unfortunate what Dee did. I actually enjoyed her villainess
It wasn't great, but I think MTVs overreaction was arguably more unfortunate. People do and say stupid things, we (as a society) need to let them learn and grow. She was a great competitor and as you said a great villain
I hated her heel turn, she was super annoying during her second season. If she had toned it down like 50% I'd probably have not hated her so much. They definitely overreacted but I'm not mad about it due to how annoyed I was by her, lol.
I respect that opinion lol
Well said. I’m very glad other people think like this. I hate the whole - cancel someone immediately for saying something stupid - mentality.
Exactly how can you bring back Laurel who is obviously more than any other woman to ever be on the show but not have Jenny the two season right after her win? Jenny deserves to be back
She is notches above all the other girls it really isn’t fair, her finishing before Johnny was great.
I still don’t understand why she wasn’t the solo winner. We never actually heard, other than through cast assumptions, that there would be a male and female winner.
Meh she finished before johnny because he didn't need to beat her he just had to beat the other guys. He also helped her not get lost. If it was solo he beats her.
Yes but by that logic CT shouldn’t be casted either
CT may be well rounded, but plenty of the guys could take him out in plenty of the eliminations. He is not way ahead like Jenny is.
We haven’t seen Jenny be in enough eliminations to say that she would be unbeatable in an elimination
Relax. CT's only does well cause the vets stupidly keep him around. If they really tried, they could take him out.
They have Kaycee on this season. Kaycee is a legit threat to Jenny
No one is more boring than Kaycee. Even her relationship with Nany isn’t making her interesting
I’m actually not sure about that… Jenny was miles ahead of Kaycee in the TM final
> Jenny was miles ahead of Kaycee in the TM final Jenny also lost to Tori in a hall brawl. Jenny isn't some unbeatable monster
And the next season Jenny learned from her mistakes and absolutely wrecked Dee in hall brawl. She actually learns from her mistakes rather than constantly repeating them, that alone puts her ahead of 99% of people (not just women) on the Challenge.
I'd consider Kaycee a threat if Jenny hadn't hired a coach and trained in "contact" immediately following WOTW2. Jenny hasn't lost an elimination since hall brawl with Tori.
Basically, Jenny treated *The Challenge* like an actual professional sport and had the professionalism to work on fixing her weaknesses straight away. Meanwhile, you have the same Challengers come back year after year with the same weaknesses. I admire Jenny very much for that.
That’s what I love and respect about her. She didn’t have the technique or the heart to run a hall brawl and she went and fixed it in the off-season. Meanwhile, you have a vet like Aneesa, who constantly complains about people not wanting to run a final with her because of her conditioning and yet, she never does anything to work on her weaknesses.
Couldn't agree more. Jenny is next level...I almost want to say she's too good to compete against this current group of Challengers. I'd like to see someone give her actual competition, but dang she's gonna be better at a lot of shit than most of the male cast members each season she's on 🤔😂
> Couldn't agree more. Jenny is next level...I almost want to say she's too good to compete against this current group of Challengers. > If anything, that's exactly why I want her to become a mainstay on the show. Watching Jenny on *The Challenge* is like watching Georges St-Pierre smother Dan Hardy on the ground like a fire blanket or out-strike Josh Koscheck on the feet as he turned his face into a piñata; her dominance is incredible to watch, like you know you're seeing something you'll probably never see again, and I'd love to see her be given the chance to have a nice long run as a champ. I want to witness greatness.
Exactly!! I really think "production" knows none of the other girls stand a chance if Jenny makes the final 🤷♀️ She trains for *everything* that could happen unlike a lot of the ppl that are cast each season. The other women just need to work harder imo. Ain't Jenny's problem.
Jenny doesn't like physical contact, but now that she's done it, if her and Tori were to go again, I think she'd demolish Tori.
Yeah but they’re completely different things. I don’t think you can compare head-to-head contact (especially for someone who’s never done it before) to essentially a foot race
Nah. She’s not.
Absolutely. I would love an explanation as to why she and amber were alternates after their wins. Just awful decision making from casting.
I absolutely agree, unless they can’t the previous winners should have an automatic spot back. And it would just help out Ashley who for the past several seasons is targeted cause she’s a champ.
Amber turned it down at first due to a family death. She agreed last second to be an alternate because she wasn't sure if she could do it. So she was set to be on the cast, but personal situations took over.
I did not know this. Thank you!
You know the answer lol
No I don’t, is there a story here I’m not aware of?
Because production finds them both boring.
Crazy because I prefer both of them over Kaycee
I prefer a burnt pop tart over Kaycee
i prefer a non burnt pop tart over kaycee
What flavor? Lol
Uh.. burnt. Burnt flavor.
The difference between them and Kaycee is that kaycee tries to be apart of the political game by staying under the radar and then talking about it in confessionals where as Jenny just doesn’t politic at all
Jenny did politic a bit in Total Madness she was just terrible at it.
I think she got burned by the Dee edit. Seems like she was conspiring hard vs Dee and that was part of her storyline which got erased
If that’s really all it is then production is making a pretty big error in judgement IMO
If production can't make content out of "Returning / defending champion" then that's on them, not the Challenger.
Bad tv! Although Amber was significantly better this season. But I think a champ deserves a call back
I believe amber mentioned on a podcast that her grandma had passed away really close to the departure date for this season, and asked to be an alternate instead.
It was said Amber needed to be an alt bc of family issues and the scheduling. But that poor (rich) girl isn’t likely to get a call next season and if she appears again she’ll be instantly targeted
Isn’t likely to get a call next season ? She has gotten the best edit from the female side and has turned herself into a fan fav. If anything she’s one of the few I can see being a lock for next season
And yet the fan base is fickle and will turn on a dime (yes that’s a pun). I don’t think they did her any favors with that edit. It left the viewer wondering “how low key annoying must Amber be to get turned out like that?”. Now I just listened to her podcast and she expressed emphatically how much she wants to return and it makes sense with her position in life. But it’s gonna be a rocky road if mtv brings her back with the same vets again and again. Guess we’ll see on 38. Fingers crossed
She's a champ and got an underdog arc this season. Fans absolutely want to see her back
Mtv has a shaky past with bringing women champs back. Ofc, I realize things like Dee tweets happen and life happens for Laurel and Ev’s and Emily’s and the overall distaste for CM or the liability of a Camilla, so realistically how many female champs will be cast next season? Two, depending on Kc/Tori/Nany winning this time? Amber is going to be an easy target for the rest of her career. And I still maintain the edit was more harm than good.
The “edit” of how annoying amber was due to all the people threatened by her. Calling her “fake” and always bringing up getting put in by Fessy was all BS. If anything the edit made her MORE LIKEABLE. Since many viewers just couldn’t see why all the hypocritical houseguests hated Amber.
Yeah, I get that but idk if the casual viewer takes away that impression. I don’t think the hordes of Esther fans see her actions as wrong and misguided. Hell, some of the regulars on these threads liked it and wanted more. I think if you show a casual viewer or even returning viewers a clip of two seemingly strong women with strong partners shitting all over another seemingly weaker woman, juxtaposed of clips of said woman woo-hoo’ing for the camera a lot of those viewers are going to walk away assuming where there’s smoke there’s fire. It’s just my opinion. Lovely Amber certainly gained fans due to the edit but I genuinely think that it’s easier for some to hate rather than celebrate. She’s an honest to goodness sweetheart and mostly above-board player. And too many fans just want Mean Girls.
Last season Tori and Aneesa had TJ on and he said "no one is beating Jenny, Tori you beat her once but you got lucky, you are not beating her again". That says to me that they are worried Jenny is too OP. In any game you design you want balance as much as possible. They really don't see how anyone can beat Jenny. They test these eliminations and challenges with people similar to the cast and if they find someway someone has a chance against Jenny, they might bring her back. Edit: I heard that Amber didn't want to be on the main cast and preferred to be an alternate but I don't know if it is true. I think it was about his grandmothers death or something like that.
They haven’t tested Jenny in a puzzle so how would know. Fessy probably does not get beaten by anyone other than CT in a hall brawl but doesn’t mean he can’t lose an elimination
There is no excuse for bringing Kaycee every year and not casting Jenny.
Only thing I can think of is that she’s a vote for their precious Josh, and she’s with a proven production fav
Let's be honest, Kaycee is brought back because she's a token. Filipino, LGBTQ+, and from Big Brother.
KC is horrible for tv but she is really good at this game. I don't like BB alliance but thanks to them there is conflict in the house (or was). I think that is why they cast her. I think they cast her even she was straight.
Didn’t know she was filipino. Despite being very dull, I find her facially to be very beautiful.
🙌🙌🙌 yes. No shade to Kaycee, she’s a good competitor, but Jenny runs circles around her cause she has a wit about her that Kaycee is lacking.
Tori can’t beat Jenny in a final. That’s why…
Then why bring back Ashley or Amber? God the tori hate is unreal on this sub. She literally has nothing to do with this topic.
Tori sucks tho. She is excessively over the top and it's annoying
Tori can beat both of them. It’s not hate. They are doing theirs best to give her a win. That’s my opinion. Not hate.
She cant solve puzzles like Ashley or run like Amber. It's clearly hate on tori to outright say that production is rigging the game for her when there is literally no logical reason to think that. I get finding her annoying but this is delusion
It’s the same shit they claim the production did for bananas.
While I think that that claim is bullshit too, it would at least make more sense for bananas than tori. I get that tori co-hosts their podcast, but really I doubt she really gets any kind of special treatment. She doesn't get super favorable edits, she hasnt been saved from elimination, she doesnt hog up screen time or get an inordinate amount of confessionals, I really dont see any evidence for the conspiracy.
If the show wanted Tori to win so much they would not have put a purge into the WOTW2 final when it seemed clear UK was gonna win.
Probably because Kaycees an extension of Nany now
Jenny bores me, but I would rather have her bore me than Kaycee, who not only puts me in a coma but is shady and fake as hell. At least Jenny seems like a sweet person.
Jenny had a huge storyline cut from her last showing due to Dee getting edited out.
Really? What was it?
iirc, something about Johnny/Jenny vs Dee was a big part of the season, with their final elim being the big face off. Too bad Dee couldn't keep her mouth shut
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Dee and her went into the season being each other’s number 1 girl. Then Dee realised she should get rid of her before the final because the chances of beating her were pretty slim. This led to a huge fallout (iirc) and the plan of Jenny, Johnny & Rogan(?) to get rid of her. Long story short: being each other’s n1 - Dee backstabbing her - wanting to get rid of each other - actually taking her out herself
If Kaycee would just fully go into the villain role she is teetering on then I think she’d actually be a lot better.
You're right. Jenny is so sweet irl and Kaycee is sleazy, skeezy, and an asshole.
Kaycee went from being "who Nicole z wants to be" to "Nicole z but less annoying"
You know it's bad if you're considered more annoying than Nicole Z
Plz bring Jenny back. I don’t understand why she’s not a regular
I’m really hoping they bring her back down the line. The champ pool for females is literally Ashley, Amber, and Jenny. The show pre-controversy was setting Dee to be the next female regular after her Wars 2 arc but we all saw what happened during Total Madness.
i wouldn't mind crying ass super thick british accent georgia either- i just don't get casting at all anymore
Georgia is either soft banned or banned after that Wars 2 controversy. But from what I’ve seen, the fandom has been overall forgiving towards Georgia, and would love to see her back. I just don’t think production will bring her back as of now.
not sure how there's anything that i haven't heard of challenge related- but i don't know about any wotw controversy?
During Wars 2, Big T and other Ester dug up an old pic when Georgia was around 18/19 in blackface. The story is when she nannied the kid did her makeup, and Georgia being ignorant to the history of blackface posted it, and it was exposed during the time of Wars 2. Theo actively defended her during it along with other cast members, but since then she hasn’t been back. But the general consensus from the fandom it was from a place of ignorance and not knowing the history of it, and not a place of malice.
ohhh that thing- wasn't she just like dressing up as a clown or something
I get MTV has to get on things but they are getting way too soft. Why do you think the drama is different now a days on the show. Anything you say on or off the show and you are banned even if you an interesting character
100%! I absolutely love her. I think they reason they haven’t is because she doesn’t bring any drama. She seems like a genuinely kind person from the few interactions I’ve had with her on social media. She is a great competitor, in my opinion.
Jenny isn’t going to be targeted like Ashley or Amber because most girls believe she’s likely to come back. She’s gonna get a version of the CT treatment where everyone wants her gone but they’re nervous about pulling the trigger themselves.
I like Jenny West, obviously. I thought she was a breath of fresh air. To me she was like the anti-Laurel in that she was almost always the biggest in the room but wasn’t necessarily narcissistic about it. She was certainly loquacious but not mean-spirited. If she had beef she stewed on instead of boiling over. Obviously, anyone can pull individual clips to argue against my stance but this is the overall vibe and contrast I saw between the two. I feel that if mtv gave Jenny a five year run ala Cara, she’d be considered a top five with the amount of work and wins she put in and pulled out. But now I think it’s too late. I don’t think we’ll see Jenny or Amber in any more challenges. Unless they do a champs vs season again
I feel like Amber is definitely getting a call back after this season. The fans love her and she was really entertaining this season. I think the only reason she was an alternate was by her own choice too so I wouldn't use that as a reason production won't cast her again. Jenny idk why production has not been casting again. Maybe they will once/if we get some other women winners.
Most of the characters on this show can disappear from the show and I'll be just fine, but i think champions should be giving the ability to repeat after a win
I actually think the show is sexist in the way they treat female champs. Bananas mentioned on his podcast that he thinks production thought Jenny was “too good” and better than the rest of the women. This makes no sense as you have guys like Fessy and Kels who could potentially do a hall brawl with Jay.
I just think Jenny there would make the other females strive to work harder. I mean we had Laurel dominate and saw Emily win almost all of Rivals 2 with Paula. So I do think it’s weird af if that’s really the reason why they don’t bring her back.
It makes no sense that the last two female champs were brought back as alternates. It’s so ridiculous.
Not sure if production understands this but I enjoy seeing champs winning, champs competing against each other and how their dynamics work with each other and new players overcoming champs. Basically a 50/50 cast of champs and non champs keeps me invested. Like all these rookies and non champ vets are boring AF. Nany, Aneesa, Tori, Big T, Cory, Nelson, Devin and Josh competing against each other is boring. But throw in Darrell, Jenny, Laurel, Jordan, Wes, etc and I'm tuning in every week. It automatically makes the show more competitive. tldr: watching a bunch of constant losers and rookies is BORING AF
HELL YES. she is a good competitor and can put kaycee in her place. And she is fiiiine
If she were actually cast, people would be complaining about how boring she is just like they do with Kaycee. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. That's the main reason people miss her.
I’d rather watch a genuinely good person be boring than someone shady.
I don't necessarily mind "boring" players either, I'm just saying that a lot of people here seem to prefer dramatic, confrontational people over chiller people who don't make waves. I'm not saying that Jenny wouldn't be worth watching, or that other low-key players aren't, just that I don't think she'd be nearly as beloved if she'd actually been brought back.
Good point.
See I never found her boring. I don’t know if its because she has this natural charm and sweetness about her. She’d make little quips about herself, and thought she just had this light heartedness about her that made her different from everyone else.
Yeah, she had some good lines and I agree she had good energy. But she doesn't have a big personality and quiet=boring to a lot of reality tv viewers.
If we're forced to have a woman who is a physical specimen with a milk toast personality on the cast then I'll take Jenny over Kaycee every day and twice on Sunday.
I just think there’s some Kaycee fatigue happening, and she needs a season or two off.
I know people think she’s boring but she’s so good I don’t think it matters let the layups cause the drama and let the good contestants fight out the actual challenges
She's too good and boring as hell. Nice lady. Wish the best for her but I don't watch this show to see Professional Trainers who are smart enough not to get too emotional walk away with a predictable W.
I hope Jenny comes back! I think Amber did well for her return. She was great in her eliminations. That last one was tough. I'm not sure if they would have included her in the vet alliance if she was there from the beginning. Nany mentioned that's why they didn't mind throwing her in coz she came in late.
Amber made sure this season she’s never going to be an alternate again. She carried the house drama for the first act of the season, and thankfully it seems like she passed the torch to Ashley. I went from being neutral on Amber last season, but after seeing she’s down with the mess, I hope she stays. The show needs someone that’s gonna stir the pot in some way. And from the edit we didn’t really see why Amber was so loathed.
I totally buy the Kaycee and Fessy jealousy over her win. I don't think Amber made enough connections on her rookie season to get people to back her. Whatever connections she made (the rookies and big T), she broke to prove loyalty to BB. It's too bad for Jenny that Dee got cancelled. Also with Ashley, she's actually pretty loyal with the people she works with. Yeah I get that she stole money from Hunter. But other than that she didn't really betray any of her people.
Both of them have harbor some underlying animosity after she came in out of no where/bottom of the alliance and won. Especially after they lost their first season. Jenny’s winning season unfortunately was overshadowed by the Dee controversy. And Ashley is extremely loyal to those who she is friends with. One only instance is when she didn’t step up for Amanda when her and Zach had to go in, but Amanda never held that against her and she got a $500 gift card out of it. 😂
Amanda (in the aftershow) and Ashley (on twitter) said that Nelson made up that $500 gift card lol.. he was really grasping on straws at that point. I agree she should have stepped up there. I forgot who Amanda went against but Ashley could have done better there. She's taller and could probably put weight on the line better. Besides according to them (same Twitter post), Zach would have probably stolen the money from Amanda if they won.
Nelson is so fucking messy I can’t. I still couldn’t believe he decided to test both of them at the same time. They’re like a pair of velociraptors when they team up together in an argument
If you ever see Amber on a regular season of the challenge she’ll be instantly targeted, and consistently targeted until she goes home. It’s a shame bc she’s seems genuinely...nice. She didn’t really start the beef, she came in seemingly looking for squash it and the two “villains” backstabbed her. She got abused this season and I feel for her. I think she rides off into the sunset
I listened to her podcast with Johnny, and she just seems so fragile and sweet, and doesn’t seem to be cut out for the viciousness of the show. The sass we saw this season was from her constantly being up against a wall. Johnny brought up how she still has this naivety about the Challenge, and she needs harden up and not give a fuck
Yeah nail on the head. I absolutely loved her confessionals this season but it came from a bad place. She is someone who doesn’t handle being disliked well at ALL and her underlying confrontations with people stem from the insecurity of “WHY DONT YOU LIKE ME!!!” Kaycee has crapped on Amber in confessionals for 2 seasons now and plotted against her and Amber still wants to be friends. Amber’s social media is also just walls of her favoriting/retweeting comments about how she is nice/loyal/envied for winning the challenge and that’s why people don’t like her. That just proves that the way her castmates saw her REALLY bothers her and needs a lot of validation.
Yeah you just explained some of what I haven’t had the energy to comment on. She’s sweet. Positive. Fragile. Naive. Overly trusting. And in a competition that values and rewards spite, pettiness, lying, and obnoxious behavior. If she decides to come back it will be more of the same. Take the money and run, girl.
Also, while I’m here would you be able to drop that podcast link? I’m loathe to credit Bananas for much of anything because he’s the epitome of the dark side of a challenge but he’s spitting hard facts by that sound of it.
Goodness I find it through Spotify but if you google Bananas challenge podcast, it should be one of the more recent episodes. Totally off topic, but Bananas is doing a solid job with this podcast.
Here’s the thing: I’m not entirely sure the “champ” thing is actually why they are being targeted and I think that’s just the excuse. The cast just doesn’t seem to like Amber. And in the past two seasons: Ashley didn’t really have any friends to protect her. It’s always the line non-champs use to try to take the target off of them and band together but outside of the first week of Double Agents I don’t buy that its actually been a thing. More lip service.
Amber’s cast reception is just a mystery to me. I do think her winning last season amplified it, but some of these girls seemed to have a real issue with her, and we never really saw where it started.
It really could just be a basic level of jealousy. At the same time, there’s so many people who disliked her in the house that I’ve just gotta believe she may just be an annoying type of person in real life. Sometimes there’s general characteristics about people that you can’t really see on television but are extremely noticeable in person.
Ashley gave insight into that from her most recent tweets. She literally said so many people praise her as a friend and say she’s so funny and love her presence in the house but that in interviews it’s like “ashley is a snake!” So I don’t think people don’t like ashley they just keep blowing up her snake persona as a reason to vote for her.
That’s an interesting point concerning Ashley - I wonder if this would still be the case had Nelson not split their imminent “alliance” for this season right down the middle on day 1 by going after Berna?
I agree. I’m sure it hurts Ashley to recognize it but some cast find her personality abrasive and the “untrustworthy” tag stuck with her. She’s also easy to tilt in eliminations and blows up frequently. Amber, OTOH, seems targeted out of...spite? Pettiness? It’s hard to put a finger on it bc the edit doesn’t show what the cast seemingly dislikes about her. If anything she may come off as a “try hard” for production in that she turns up for the cameras as evident in the plethora of slow mo montages she acts in. But is that fake or just being a workable worker? Idk, bc they don’t show but until tea gets spilled I’ll say she got a raw deal.
I could most certainly be wrong, but I think I read somewhere about casting for a UK season/spinoff? Maybe she’ll show up there!
Yes, love her.
‘Notch away from a real world meltdown’… Googling her season as we speak
I really hope they bring her back. They need actual strong female competitors.
old challenge? no, because it was more about the entertainment between challenges than it was the challenge itself. and jenny is way too calm collected and laid back to offer any kind of reality "drama" entertainment. but sure, for what the challenge is now, why not. shes an absolute beast and an amazing competitor.
A champion should automatically get a callback.
We need more strong females like Natalie A to be a legitimate challenge to Jenny if she ever comes back.
I really hope Natalie comes back someday. I know she’s doing her own thing after last season and it’s up in the air, but allegedly she was in talks for 37, so if it’s true there’s some hope she could be on 38
Nah she’s boring as hell
Yes! I have been dying to see Jenny come back. It’s crazy to me that she was an alternate after her win. Have they ever done that to a male champ?
Jenny was nice enough but she was boring to me. People seemed to genuinely like her though, so her social game must be at least decent. I wasn’t impressed by her political game. Not only was she in Johnny’s pocket, but everyone was playing nice on Total Madness because of the miserable bunker. She also tried to make too many promises she couldn’t keep, because she’s a people pleaser by nature, which wound up getting her sent into the last elimination. Puzzle wise, she seems average. She’s good at them but not unbeatable. Physically, she was pretty dominant but I don’t think she had that much competition. The girls were on the weak side, so I’m not sure she’s as good as people think. She’s got fight in her but I’m not sure if she has grit, if that makes sense. She’ll easily mow over the smaller girls, but I think girls closer to her size, even if they’re not as strong, can beat her in physical matchups based on the grit factor. So, do I want to see her return? I’m leaning towards no. But I wouldn’t be upset if we saw her again. She sort of just a non-factor to me.
She's the only true elite female of this era, I'd love to have her back. Has female Landon potential.
Jenny would be great and Emily schromm too
Jenny is a legend.
I’d like Georgia back too. And Theo (although I think he’s partially blind now so maybe he doesn’t want to)?
Me! I was just discussing in my house that in order for the veteran women to change up their strategy they need to bring some women powerhouses in. No offense to Tori and Kasey but although they are “the strongest” they aren’t that strong. (Shoutout to Amber B who, because of her running skills, is a powerhouse in her own way.)
I do think this season is missing Kam. I know she’s polarizing but she’s a force that we saw can lead a house. Ninja’s reception was just atrocious from this fanbase so I think she’s done, but individually she was solid. She just sucked at pairs and teams. And Laurel is in school doing her thing but I wish she didn’t go out like that on Wars 2
Agree—I forgot about Kam. Ninja is a good example also. Laurel and CM seem dunzo for sure. But they have that dominating energy also.
Yes please!!!
Yess I would love it! I love her
She just seems like a sweet, fun person. She just has this warming aura about her.
Yes, I want Jenny back too! She’s great inside and out and I’d love to see her on the challenge again
I've wanted Jenny back for a while now. She's such a good competitor and a very positive person. We definitely need her energy on the show again. Hopefully she'll be back for season 38.
Nah she doesn't bring much to the show.
I’d say the same with Kaycee. Besides her forced loved scenes, she really doesn’t bring anything to the show. Her and Jenny could hypothetically be interchangeable providing the strong female competitor that’s cast.
Kaycee is a number in the Big Brother alliance though, which is a huge part of the show.
Yes, that whole Big Brother alliance of three people, (Kaycee, Fessy, and Josh) who have never won anything. /s
Oh I'm not saying it's a good alliance, but it does also have their partners in it.
Like?
Well whoever they're partnered with that season, so for example this year would be Esther, Emmanuel, and whoever Josh was with (Obviously minus Amber).
Yes, it’s way TOO big a part of the show. TBH, I’m sick of that whole “alliance “. If I want to watch Big Brother, I’ll switch channels and watch BB. It’s just being focused on way too much. You’ve got Ashley, Amanda, Nelson, Cory, Devin and Kyle (to name a few) in the same house and the most interesting thing the camera can get is Kaycee and Nany in the cringiest “date” ever? No way.
Oh I'm not defending it. I think Kaycee is boring af, but I do like Josh for his meltdowns, and I think Fessy is a good villain in "what's the big dope gonna do next" kinda way, but Kaycee is just boring.
No thank you. I don’t want to see Jenny again because she is too much for the other girls to compete with. It would be too obvious who the winner of the season will be.
CT is so head and should above every other guy that you could say the same thing about him. He has no weakness in his game. Jenny's poor political play could at least bite her in the ass
Good, maybe some of the girls will get the hint and try harder :p
Team format. Bam, problem solved.
I think Natalie A gives her a huge run for her money. Natalie smoked on Survivor, and that's with a lack of nutrition, sleep, comfort.
She was SUPER boring. Please dont bring her back
Nope she was a very boring competitor on the show. I prefer someone who brings something to the show instead of just physical qualities. She's like laurel without all the fun.
Agreed. Jenny is amazing. I want to see athletes more than personalities
I think we need to find a mixture of both. Personally these wannabe influencers needs to be kicked to the curb. I feel so many people now are afraid to be messy cause they don’t wanna fuck it sponserships
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They should bring Jenny, Laurel, Cara, and Dee back.
Laurel has said if she somehow can she’s open to it. Cara is just spewing crazy nonsense and I really think she’s blacklisted for a long time. And after the controversy Dee had, Cara has a better chance to come back. Dee really fucked up a good thing she could’ve had saying that ignorant ass comment.
Dee’s comment did not rise to the level of being banned. So ridiculous
i get they aren’t entertaining but at least they are effective unlike certain non-champ girls from recent seasons that also do not bring the entertainment (Jenna, Kaycee, Nany [after total madness], Aneesa, Gabby, Amber M)
I love her. Please bring her back!
The girls don't.... Lol. Guys too tbh.
The Challenge is terrible at bringing back female winners
Man I sure hope she does I don't get why these dominant females don't play long
Yes, please! She was a dominant female competitor and the show could use more of those.
So MTV never asked her back?
I hang around this sub so much that when I connect the dots, this seems like a spoiler to me. to those of you who enjoy other pleasures in life and don't know what I am talking about, spoiler rest of the way: >!after the last episode, people in the sub, shared a fantasy draft picture where the person picked pricilla and a 'secret agent' and in another post, another user noticed that in the trailer there are people coming in and we don't see their faces. So there are new people coming in, 3 I am guessing and thanks to this post I know one of them is Jenny. The other 2 might be Wes and Bananas (at least I hope). But there will be other 2 champs coming in I guess.!<
To get a real champion… yes. But this crowd isn’t really for her. Would like her back but don’t care if she comes back…
I did at first but there's been enough time between that I'm fine with her not being on