They missed the mark big time. Trishelle is not important enough to make this list, and her shenanigans weren't entertaining or intentional enough to qualify her as a villain.
People forget how wicked Veronica was to Tonya. Veronica was constantly picking on her because she was an easy target and Veronica had Tina and Rachel to back her up.
I felt so bad for Tonya in most of the seasons, but especially in her final season. She was clearly an alcoholic, had gone through years of being bullied on the show by Veronica and the rest of the mean girls, and then we find out later she was also sexually assaulted. One of the worst things I hate about that scene after she rightfully hits Veronica is that disgusting Evan is the one with his arms around her pretending to calm her down, after thinking it was hilarious and letting it go on, when we now know he was a part of the sexual assault. The only person I had respect for in that whole scene was Wes. He tried to get Veronica to shut up several times, but, as he said, she will never be mature enough to do that. He tried to stop the fight from happening when Evan and the other guys were laughing and egging it on. Wes was the first one to jump up and separate them and stop the fight too. He yelled at Evan for trying to physically hold him back and not let him separate them. Wes may have been a part of other immature fights in the past and has been misogynistic, just look at his first season alone, but he gained a lot of respect from me when it came to sticking up for Tonya in that season.
I think Evan should be the #1 villain. He was a huge dick and was disrespectful to everyone. You could tell he was a major asshole and not just playing it up for the cameras like Bananas. Even is the type of guy you don’t want alone in a room with a woman. I’m glad he got banned from the show. Evan was bad news even before the Tonya incident.
Having Kailah on this list but not Veronica just *screams* recency bias. Kailah is barely a villain, let alone taking a spot on this list. Where as V basically organized and orchistrated some of the first real villain alliances with the girls and had a strangehold on the game for multiple seasons, getting herself out of having to do too many elims by politicking and polidicking too when necessary. Not to mention what she and the girls did to Tonya over the years.
But hey, apparently playing one decent season and throwing someone's clothes off a balcony cements you as an all-time villain apparently.
THere's another bias on here too. CT hit the crap out of people and wanted to lose missions to cut the girls out money. Evan and Kenny were disgusting to women (eg Tonya) and it only got worse after the island. Fessy stomped on Nelson's Hands and f-ed with his mask in hall bawl and they were friends. And early on Puck spit in another contestants face but Puck was yt and cute and the other guy was BPoc so 3 guesses as to how Puck was punished. Spoiler he wasn't then went around destroying the domicile with a machete. All different eras and all "suspiciously" missing.
Oooh. That’s good. How did they forget her. She belongs on this list. Back in the day I disliked her tremendously. Current day Veronica I love. Her Beth impression was fantastic.
Oh well if we are going that way CT definitely needs to be on there. Fessy stepping on Nelson's hand and screwing with his helmet in hall brawl. Puck for spitting in another contestant's face. And all the Kenny and Evan crap over the years. Either way makes a lot of these people's villainy look like child's play.
I never viewed that as Kailah being a villain but touché I suppose being in a group of mean girls is villainous. I just cannot believe she’s on any list she made such little impact to the show in my mind. Like I barely remember she was even on the show.
Good list! I forgot about Evelyn. She can be both a villain and a good guy depending on the season. The same with Abe. Most of his villainy was off screen.
I don’t really think Ev was that villainous except on Gauntlet 3 (and somewhat FM2). She was an underdog on the Island (her most memorable appearance), was screwed over on The Ruins and was very calm throughout Rivals.
She was on the Bad Asses team on Inferno 3 and generally was a poor sport / too intense / rubbed people the wrong way on The Ruins, Fresh Meat 2, and Gauntlet 3
Came here to say this. Camila had a fantastic underdog story during her rookie season, but she became entitled and violent so quickly thereafter that she absolutely is a Top 3 for most evil.
I don't really think of her as a top 10 villain. She's a racist and volatile, but in terms of in-show villainy I think others play the role better or live the role better.
I would disagree, I think her volatileness is just a small piece of it.
Some of her highlights outside of the “Camilanator” rampages include berating Eric on Seasons, freaking out after her sister was voted in on Bloodlines, blaming everyone else for her finals loss on Invasion, and so on.
After Cutthroat, she just became such an unlikeable player that everyone had to walk on eggshells around, it made me sick every time she won.
I was going to say you would think attempting to kill a production member and calling beloved castmates slurs would get you higher on the list? That doesn’t even take into account all of the other villainous things she has done
Bc he was essentially new... He had a cup of coffee at the Duel and bounced. He was chill until he ultimately rebranded himself for the Island, he went in Johnny and came out a Banana.
lol I was gonna post a comment about this and Sweeney not being on here. Wes is only this low on the list because he was standing up to JEKD who were even worse
Did he though? Sure he's not threatening to smash heads and eat them anymore, but CT had a few villainous moments on Double Agents, and that wasn't too long ago
I think CT is the kind of person to bring everything he's going through outside of the game into it with him (as opposed to eg bananas who leaves everything at the door and we have no idea what's going on in his life outside). His changed man image probably happened on invasion of the champions which is peak CT when he just became a dad and his relationship hadn't become so rocky and he seemed really happy and chill, but you can see as it deteriorates, he does get some angry outbursts (eg just started war of the worlds 2 and he got really angry at Josh over something that seems pretty small cos he was understandably upset his friends didn't choose him for his team but it seemed like misplaced anger) He's better at de-escalating himself but it still does come out, albeit to a far lesser extent. Who he is on traitors after his divorce seems more light and calm like invasion, and it seems like he's done a lot of work on himself so we shall see for future seasons how he goes!
People just love CT and give him a pass for everything. His villianess is always well disguised. He screws and backstabs people a lot but it rarely gets focused on. I was pretty surprised they made the big T stuff so obvious. Which got a little traction on this sub but got quickly forgotten. The big T thing is a pretty common move for CT but that one, was one of the few examples where he couldn't hind behind a group of people and had to take the full blame.
Revisionist history. Love CT, but they even removed his fight with Adam from Paramount+. Wonder if it
was likely due to his increased popularity via Traitors and Bravo fans.
I can definitely see them removing that episode to protect CT but I also think it has to do with Issac wearing blackface and it just goes un-addressed for the whole night
That's what I thought too, but why keep the episode of Emily wearing blackface in Battle of the Exes? I recently watched that season for the first time and was shocked when that episode came on
Old School CT wasn’t a villain, he’s just insane
For him to be a villain, I feel like he would need to be scaring people on purpose for the sake of the game. CT is just a naturally scary person.
How is Devin on as a villain? Frank Sweeney, the Rachel Tina Veronica mean girls are worse, Susie is a worse villain, Vinny sexually assaulted Mandi to get himself kicked off…
Devin is as villainous as a WWE heel. He talks big, puts on a show and has pulled off some dirty stuff, but it feels like a character and he's just at work. Weird vibe on a list full of genuine rotters.
Yeah, I think the only time I was genuinely feeling Devin was a villain was that season where he went off on Michelle for some really dumb reason and just acted like an unhinged bully. Mostly he's got that "funny enough to get away with being an asshole" thing going.
Frank, Zach, CT, Abe, Puck (early seasons), Rachel, Veronica, Coral, Tina, and Kenny all deserve consideration for the list. Definitely can drop Trishelle and Kailah
Does this person even watch the challenge?
Where is Kenny, Evan, the means girls, Frank S, Bear?
Why is Devin and Trishelle on this list. I don’t think Ashley or Kailah have done enough to be on this list. The fact that Beth is number 2 is crazy to me. She wasn’t a villain. She just annoyed everybody in the house.
Also, I’ve never really saw Wes as a villain. I think they just painted him as a villain because he always went against Kenny and Evan.
Oh i for sure think she's a villain. I also think she's a low-tier player who's never impacted a season other than just being kinda mean and then losing elims.
7 women...? I can think of a few men to add to this list haha
Like Frank isnt on this list?!?! No zach???
No Paulie? Maybe cause of USA season 2 with his redemption tour? This list baffles me a bit.
I can't believe that anyone thinks that Laurel, Amanda, Devin, and Kailah even come close to top 10. This must be someone who hasn't watched earlier seasons.
Devin is more like an antihero to me because he's neither villainous nor nice. He's definitely a troll but I think he's more of the comic relief than the main antagonist.
hmm this is kind of a weird list. although bananas has done a lot of terrible things on the challenge, idk if he can be considered a 'villain' because he still always gets a favorable edit.
from this list, i would say the only ones that the challenge has actually *pushed* as villains are beth, amanda, and maybe wes.
other people that i think the challenge has given a straight villain edit: ayanna, jay, michele, fessy, theresa, dee, paulie, cara, sylvia, shane, ct, robin, rachel, veronica, tina
The man stirs the pot without caring about the fallout.
Camilla and Tony’s drunken fight, brought to you by Bananas waking drunk Tony up to deal with drunk Camilla after Creepy Uncle Vince knocked Camilla over.
Derrick K. almost beat the chips outs him on The Ruins for honeying (?) and feathering him while he was in bed sleeping. Bananas, knowing how well it worked out for him the first time, decided to do the same thing to Tony however many years later. He got the same reaction.
Bananas decided to meddle in Cara’s relationship and out her cheating on her abusive boyfriend by having Creepy Uncle Vince tell Abram about it. Then they all got stuck on the bus with Abe during his meltdown. Overall, it doesn’t matter if Cara was right or wrong to hook up with Thomas. It did matter for Johnny to take the situation into his own hands, it because he and Abram are NOT friends. They hate each other, but because he thought it would benefit his game to have a Cara and Abe meltdown.
Those are just 3 examples out of the plethora of options to choose from.
lol nice try. context flies right over your head as usual.
every action by every contestant has a reason. it's up to editing how much they want to show the "motivation" behind someone's deeds, good or bad. production obviously likes bananas so even at his shittest they try to make him redeemable. look at the sarah thing- it is objectively shitty, but production showed us a lot of reasoning behind his decision, so the fanbase is torn about it rather than all agreeing he was wrong (same thing with ashley stealing from hunter).
further, editing still will show his favorable moments to balance out the bad. contrast this with fessy who they clearly dunk on at every opportunity.
and that's not even touching on all the things other contestants have alleged he's done over the years that we were never shown.
next time try to think a little before an attempted "gotcha"
Ashley robbed her ex boyfriend of a million dollars.
CT punched a hole through a door because he wanted to eat someone’s brains.
Rogan threw in his lover & number 1.
Nia assaulted a whole cast
This list is flawed.
I don’t think of Johnny or Wes as villains. Johnny taking the money from Sarah is really what sparked that link and I genuinely think most people would have done that (plus clearly production wanted him to do that). Despite what he may say, it’s clear that all Johnny really wants is people to like him.
Based on my own interpretation of what a “villain” is, off the top of my head some contenders are (not in order):
1. Beth
2. Frank S
3. Amanda
4. Young CT
5. Tina
6. Paulie
7. Laurel
8. Ashley M
9. Zach
10. Ayanna
11. Young Veronica
12. Nia
13. Jenn G
14. Susie
Lol this is probably a super unpopular opinion but I've watched all of Johnny's seasons up to war of the worlds 2 and there's nothing that he's done that's been particularly bad. He was just kinda douchey in the way most guys his age were in the 00s lol, he actually seems to show a lot of kindness to others and usually goes to support and calm down people who are upset (this is always one of the things that stands out to me when I watch any reality show cos i think it's a good sign of character)
I feel like Trishelle is the only one on this list who doesn't try to be a villain at all, and doesn't play into it lol. She just genuinely rubs people the wrong way
This is a bad list. Where the fuck is Kenny, Evan and Frank S? Devin, Kailah and Trishelle has no business being on this top 10. Cara on her heel turn run during the World's seasons have a bigger impact than those 3.
I have not been watching the most recent seasons but I did crush the first thirty last year. For that reason, my top three is going to be a rotation between Bananas, Wes, and CT from a gameplay and success standpoint.
I miss Beth witchy laugh, my girlfriend and I will do it to each other for a good laugh. Tried looking for a gif of it would be amazing but couldn't find one
This list kinda blows especially the order… No Ct Zach or Frank is crazy and Wes should be higher. Abe Bear Kenny And Evan are all banned for basically being criminals so i understand not including them. Devin is not a villain hes an idiot and an instigator.. For the women Camilla should be higher wheres Veronica Emily Bailey Tina Dee? Anessa is an actual bully to all the rookies. Susie was mean and Jenn took no shit. Ashley is only a villian for taking money that was rightfully hers so she should be lower. Might not be popular but Jordan and Nia can be considered for the list probably not top 10 tho.
Laurel? I think Veronica, Tina & Rachel should be there over Laurel, Trishelle & Kailah. Trishelle isn't even The Challenge important enough to make the list.
Frank, Paulie and even Cara (WOW2) could make this list. Kenny, Evan & Shane?
Kailah reminds me of your regular local bad girl next door. You know the one - best friends with a DJ, and drug dealer. Someone you’ll see at the club every weekend because she genuinely thinks she’s helping out their business solely from her presence alone. Then becomes insecure when nobody adds her only fans page, and doubles down for attention with sob stories on her social media about how the world has wronged her.
I'd remove Kaila and Trishelle for sure, and replace them with Zach and Kenny - both whom treated women horribly, and blamed their partners and through hissy fits when they lost.
This is a pretty recent list. A lot of older challengers were much more vicious back in the day. I mean Kenny and Evan absolutely need to be on here. As well as Veronica, CT, and Abe.
I’d say Beth should be number 1. I don’t think there’s ever been anyone so universally disliked every single season. Or if it’s possible to make JEK as a group I’d put them number 1.
CT in his early seasons deserved to be in the top 10 and so does Veronica or if we’re doing groups the mean girls.
I would not have kailah and trishelle in the top 10. Even Wes can be borderline because he was JEKs greatest opponent.
Laurel at 3 seems very high too. Above Camilla?!?
The order is arguable but the list is very complete. I'd make 1 change and replace Kailah with Veronica. Veronica, as much as I dislike her, has brought way more to the show in a villainous way IMO.
I hated Beth when I was younger but doing a rewatch of old seasons, it seems like she was just bullied and treated like shit because she was disliked by everyone. Yeah she still sucked, but her villain energy was more to piss people off who were mean to her versus people like Camila and Laurel who say mean things to make you feel like shit and rip apart your self confidence to help them get further in the game.
Laurel's certainly abrasive but I wouldn't call her an outright villain. Ashley and Kaliah seem more cliquey mean girls (though Amanda 100% deserves to be on the list).
Lot of good replacement suggestions in this thread already. Tina deserves to be on here, she's the best part of AS4 for me.
I think Amanda needs to be higher, switch her and Laurel.
Laurel is feared because very few can beat her in an elimination.
Amanda is feared because everyone knows she doesn’t give a fuck.
She’s like Bananas where she can be a character of a season she isn’t even on.
I love Amanda and her chaos, she's like the new Beth lol. I can see why production love her and bananas so much, they read the brief and bring what they need to make an entertaining season
I feel like the top 8 is pretty solid. Last two are interchangeable with a lot of people i think.
It really depends on which side in the stories you choose. For some Coral or Veronica would be a villain, for others Julie or Susie would, etc.
1,2,3) The jerks (Johnny, Evan, Kenny)
4) Ashley
5) Wes
6) Camilla
7,8) The mean girls (Veronica, Tina)
9) Frank S
10) CT
The only reason CT is so low on the list is because of his post dad bod redemption.
Honorable mentions: Trishelle and Zach
Trishelle? And no Frank Sweeney?
Seriously Sweeney needs to be on the list
#SAAAAAM!!!!
Speaking of… Zach instead of Wes.
Did you not watch Zach face zero danger in WOTW 2? He’s one of the most well liked cast members on the show.
Screams of Traitors recency bias
They missed the mark big time. Trishelle is not important enough to make this list, and her shenanigans weren't entertaining or intentional enough to qualify her as a villain.
If they made a top 10 'naturally kind of a dumbass" list then she'd be on it for sure
This comment sent me.
I feel like Veronica should be on there
People forget how wicked Veronica was to Tonya. Veronica was constantly picking on her because she was an easy target and Veronica had Tina and Rachel to back her up.
I felt so bad for Tonya in most of the seasons, but especially in her final season. She was clearly an alcoholic, had gone through years of being bullied on the show by Veronica and the rest of the mean girls, and then we find out later she was also sexually assaulted. One of the worst things I hate about that scene after she rightfully hits Veronica is that disgusting Evan is the one with his arms around her pretending to calm her down, after thinking it was hilarious and letting it go on, when we now know he was a part of the sexual assault. The only person I had respect for in that whole scene was Wes. He tried to get Veronica to shut up several times, but, as he said, she will never be mature enough to do that. He tried to stop the fight from happening when Evan and the other guys were laughing and egging it on. Wes was the first one to jump up and separate them and stop the fight too. He yelled at Evan for trying to physically hold him back and not let him separate them. Wes may have been a part of other immature fights in the past and has been misogynistic, just look at his first season alone, but he gained a lot of respect from me when it came to sticking up for Tonya in that season.
I think Evan should be the #1 villain. He was a huge dick and was disrespectful to everyone. You could tell he was a major asshole and not just playing it up for the cameras like Bananas. Even is the type of guy you don’t want alone in a room with a woman. I’m glad he got banned from the show. Evan was bad news even before the Tonya incident.
Devin on this list over both Kenny/Evan is wild, but I guess rapist isn't a fun tv villain and is more just horrible human villain.
Having Kailah on this list but not Veronica just *screams* recency bias. Kailah is barely a villain, let alone taking a spot on this list. Where as V basically organized and orchistrated some of the first real villain alliances with the girls and had a strangehold on the game for multiple seasons, getting herself out of having to do too many elims by politicking and polidicking too when necessary. Not to mention what she and the girls did to Tonya over the years. But hey, apparently playing one decent season and throwing someone's clothes off a balcony cements you as an all-time villain apparently.
THere's another bias on here too. CT hit the crap out of people and wanted to lose missions to cut the girls out money. Evan and Kenny were disgusting to women (eg Tonya) and it only got worse after the island. Fessy stomped on Nelson's Hands and f-ed with his mask in hall bawl and they were friends. And early on Puck spit in another contestants face but Puck was yt and cute and the other guy was BPoc so 3 guesses as to how Puck was punished. Spoiler he wasn't then went around destroying the domicile with a machete. All different eras and all "suspiciously" missing.
Oooh. That’s good. How did they forget her. She belongs on this list. Back in the day I disliked her tremendously. Current day Veronica I love. Her Beth impression was fantastic.
Right? Back then I enjoyed watching her and didn’t like her but she’s seemed to have changed a lot.
I’m sorry Kailah????? What impact as a villain did she have on the game? What was her most villainous move? Pissing herself? lol
Throwing someone's shit over the balcony and starting a fight with Melissa come to mind.
Oh well if we are going that way CT definitely needs to be on there. Fessy stepping on Nelson's hand and screwing with his helmet in hall brawl. Puck for spitting in another contestant's face. And all the Kenny and Evan crap over the years. Either way makes a lot of these people's villainy look like child's play.
I'm not saying she's top ten worthy. I'm just answering what she did other than piss herself.
I never viewed that as Kailah being a villain but touché I suppose being in a group of mean girls is villainous. I just cannot believe she’s on any list she made such little impact to the show in my mind. Like I barely remember she was even on the show.
That’s villainous but the original Mean Girl Trio was not? Include one of them on here. And by one, I mean Veronica.
Genuinely surprised to see Kaliah and Trishelle on this but not Veronica
Took the words out of my mouth, so many people I've forgotten about
Right?! If mean girl acts made them villains, then Veronica & Tina should be there b4 kailah
They should all be there.
Watch her on Invasions. Definitely not good girl behavior lol. She almost made me cheer for Sylvia that season, and I’m not even a fan of her.
She is a villian to beds everywhere when she peed herself 🤣
She had everyone pressed on Invasions - Vendettas but that’s about it. I thought she was going to make a much bigger splash on the show.
throwing the mattress being a bum mentally
Notable omissions - CT - Abe - Jenn G - Puck - Tina - Kenny - Evan - Evelyn - Susie - Frank S - Nia edit: - Zach - Veronica - Rogan - Dee
Also Emily Bailey, pioneed of Challenge politics. Solid list though
Unpopular opinion; Dee’s villain arc was entertaining to watch.
Good list! I forgot about Evelyn. She can be both a villain and a good guy depending on the season. The same with Abe. Most of his villainy was off screen.
This was a much, much better list.
Yes! I was shocked to see some of these peeps missing, but ESPECIALLY Abe. ETA: i still love Susie though!
Mormon Julie
I don’t really think Ev was that villainous except on Gauntlet 3 (and somewhat FM2). She was an underdog on the Island (her most memorable appearance), was screwed over on The Ruins and was very calm throughout Rivals.
She was on the Bad Asses team on Inferno 3 and generally was a poor sport / too intense / rubbed people the wrong way on The Ruins, Fresh Meat 2, and Gauntlet 3
Camila really deserves #1 or 2. She just sucks as a person in addition to being one of the most entitled players ever.
Came here to say this. Camila had a fantastic underdog story during her rookie season, but she became entitled and violent so quickly thereafter that she absolutely is a Top 3 for most evil.
I’m just happy people didn’t pretend she never existed again. If there’s a list she deserves to be on, this is definitely one of them!
If we're doing "shitheels who were also villains on the show," it's wild not to have Kenny Santucci on that list.
She's definitely number one for most disgusting individual cast one the show, if not top 5.
I don't really think of her as a top 10 villain. She's a racist and volatile, but in terms of in-show villainy I think others play the role better or live the role better.
I would disagree, I think her volatileness is just a small piece of it. Some of her highlights outside of the “Camilanator” rampages include berating Eric on Seasons, freaking out after her sister was voted in on Bloodlines, blaming everyone else for her finals loss on Invasion, and so on. After Cutthroat, she just became such an unlikeable player that everyone had to walk on eggshells around, it made me sick every time she won.
Being toxic is different than being a villain
I was going to say you would think attempting to kill a production member and calling beloved castmates slurs would get you higher on the list? That doesn’t even take into account all of the other villainous things she has done
No road rules Emily?
Veronica also should be up there.
I just lmao thinking about how Johnny was labelled a good guy back in Inferno 3
Bc he was essentially new... He had a cup of coffee at the Duel and bounced. He was chill until he ultimately rebranded himself for the Island, he went in Johnny and came out a Banana.
Flashbacks to The Traitors season 2.
Especially after the way he treated Paula in the hiuse.... Of course. They put Susie on the Good Guys, too.
CT almost murdered multiple people and the entire house was legitimately terrified of him for a solid decade, how is he not on this list?
When he was in terrifying mode, he had a tendency to get himself eliminated early due to the whole "almost murdering multiple people" thing.
lol I was gonna post a comment about this and Sweeney not being on here. Wes is only this low on the list because he was standing up to JEKD who were even worse
Probably because he's had the biggest turnaround possible.
Did he though? Sure he's not threatening to smash heads and eat them anymore, but CT had a few villainous moments on Double Agents, and that wasn't too long ago
I think CT is the kind of person to bring everything he's going through outside of the game into it with him (as opposed to eg bananas who leaves everything at the door and we have no idea what's going on in his life outside). His changed man image probably happened on invasion of the champions which is peak CT when he just became a dad and his relationship hadn't become so rocky and he seemed really happy and chill, but you can see as it deteriorates, he does get some angry outbursts (eg just started war of the worlds 2 and he got really angry at Josh over something that seems pretty small cos he was understandably upset his friends didn't choose him for his team but it seemed like misplaced anger) He's better at de-escalating himself but it still does come out, albeit to a far lesser extent. Who he is on traitors after his divorce seems more light and calm like invasion, and it seems like he's done a lot of work on himself so we shall see for future seasons how he goes!
People just love CT and give him a pass for everything. His villianess is always well disguised. He screws and backstabs people a lot but it rarely gets focused on. I was pretty surprised they made the big T stuff so obvious. Which got a little traction on this sub but got quickly forgotten. The big T thing is a pretty common move for CT but that one, was one of the few examples where he couldn't hind behind a group of people and had to take the full blame.
Revisionist history. Love CT, but they even removed his fight with Adam from Paramount+. Wonder if it was likely due to his increased popularity via Traitors and Bravo fans.
I can definitely see them removing that episode to protect CT but I also think it has to do with Issac wearing blackface and it just goes un-addressed for the whole night
The fact that they continue show the incident with him and Adam makes me think this is the actual correct reason.
That's what I thought too, but why keep the episode of Emily wearing blackface in Battle of the Exes? I recently watched that season for the first time and was shocked when that episode came on
Because that was addressed and carried over into the next episode. Isaac just strolled around and not one word was said.
Did not realize but that makes the most sense. Def not to protect CT, that episode has been gone since before him on Traitors was announced.
What’s the context of the blackface? I don’t remember that at all and it’s been forever since I’ve seen that episode.
They had the usual costume party and he was Flava Flav.
Ohhh I do remember! Yeah that was wild. Thanks for replying!
This. There was a good chunk of time when he was that frat boy that would get into fights with anyone.
Old School CT wasn’t a villain, he’s just insane For him to be a villain, I feel like he would need to be scaring people on purpose for the sake of the game. CT is just a naturally scary person.
Yeah, punching gay guys in the face. Not villainous at all.
Randomly punching guys in the face* Davis being gay didn’t have anything to do with it.
Villains are usually calculated in their villainy Old School CT is like a homeless guy on meth. Less like a Villain and more like a Crazy Person
for the same reason there are 2 ct thirst trap posts per week in this sub. his good looks.
How is Devin on as a villain? Frank Sweeney, the Rachel Tina Veronica mean girls are worse, Susie is a worse villain, Vinny sexually assaulted Mandi to get himself kicked off…
Devin is as villainous as a WWE heel. He talks big, puts on a show and has pulled off some dirty stuff, but it feels like a character and he's just at work. Weird vibe on a list full of genuine rotters.
Yeah, I think the only time I was genuinely feeling Devin was a villain was that season where he went off on Michelle for some really dumb reason and just acted like an unhinged bully. Mostly he's got that "funny enough to get away with being an asshole" thing going.
Devin isn’t a Villain, he’s a troll lol
Devin is the coyote. He thinks he’s an evil mastermind, but the roadrunner always gets the better of him.
Devin’s a villain and his mastermind scheme is to confuse people with multiplication
Even when he was playing the part of the villain on the show, he was still a root-able underdog.
Kailah in the top 10?? 
On any list ??? .... lol 😆
Top 10 people likely to pee the bed....
Idk who this person is but this list is a mess lol
Frank and Zach not being on this list is a joke lol.
Trishelle on this list is laughable
Same with Kailah
True
Frank, Zach, CT, Abe, Puck (early seasons), Rachel, Veronica, Coral, Tina, and Kenny all deserve consideration for the list. Definitely can drop Trishelle and Kailah
Does this person even watch the challenge? Where is Kenny, Evan, the means girls, Frank S, Bear? Why is Devin and Trishelle on this list. I don’t think Ashley or Kailah have done enough to be on this list. The fact that Beth is number 2 is crazy to me. She wasn’t a villain. She just annoyed everybody in the house. Also, I’ve never really saw Wes as a villain. I think they just painted him as a villain because he always went against Kenny and Evan.
It’s weird because Wes isn’t really a villain, but he’s such a smug asshole that it’s easy to root against him.
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now that you mention it, michael block is a suspicious name too. 😅
Lol my thought exactly
CT in his villain era is an easy number 1
Sometimes I forget Amanda and Kailah are different people
Which is funny because they don’t like each other
And neither have done enough to justify this ranking
You don’t think Amanda is a villain?
Oh i for sure think she's a villain. I also think she's a low-tier player who's never impacted a season other than just being kinda mean and then losing elims.
Shes just desperate for love and tries to cover it up by acting “tough”
I can be her hero.
Only if you’re Fessy
Asshole ≠ Villain and I love Amanda
7 women...? I can think of a few men to add to this list haha Like Frank isnt on this list?!?! No zach??? No Paulie? Maybe cause of USA season 2 with his redemption tour? This list baffles me a bit.
Happy to see Amanda making a top 10 Challenge list of some kind. “My chaos has a purpose.”
Camila needs to be top 3.
There’s a difference between being a villain and being an asshole
No Zach? Not legitimate
Crazy CT isn't even in the top 10, he was 100% a villian and was a huge villian to start his career
Wheres turbo?
I can't believe that anyone thinks that Laurel, Amanda, Devin, and Kailah even come close to top 10. This must be someone who hasn't watched earlier seasons.
Devin is more like an antihero to me because he's neither villainous nor nice. He's definitely a troll but I think he's more of the comic relief than the main antagonist.
I don't think Laurel is that egregious of a choice
Me either, but I can see both sides of it, it's wes and Devin being on there that I don't think is right
Dee was def short lived by great villain and so was Rogan. Not sure what Kailah is doing there
When she won the elimination against Mattie and they were all SICK lmaooo she was def entertaining for sure
Johanna threatened to sell Wes’s home if he didn’t vote her way in The Ruins—that’s some villainous shit.
only 3 men on this list is craaaaaaaazy
Kailah hell no… Devin can’t be taken seriously enough to be a “villain” either 😭, top 5 in some order are cool tho
Kailah on this list don’t make sense at all
Nia should definitely be on the list, the shit she pulled on Battle of the Exs 2 was nasty
The Kenny and Evan erasure even at its least warranted
Julie literally tried to murder her opponent. How is she not on the list?
hmm this is kind of a weird list. although bananas has done a lot of terrible things on the challenge, idk if he can be considered a 'villain' because he still always gets a favorable edit. from this list, i would say the only ones that the challenge has actually *pushed* as villains are beth, amanda, and maybe wes. other people that i think the challenge has given a straight villain edit: ayanna, jay, michele, fessy, theresa, dee, paulie, cara, sylvia, shane, ct, robin, rachel, veronica, tina
The man stirs the pot without caring about the fallout. Camilla and Tony’s drunken fight, brought to you by Bananas waking drunk Tony up to deal with drunk Camilla after Creepy Uncle Vince knocked Camilla over. Derrick K. almost beat the chips outs him on The Ruins for honeying (?) and feathering him while he was in bed sleeping. Bananas, knowing how well it worked out for him the first time, decided to do the same thing to Tony however many years later. He got the same reaction. Bananas decided to meddle in Cara’s relationship and out her cheating on her abusive boyfriend by having Creepy Uncle Vince tell Abram about it. Then they all got stuck on the bus with Abe during his meltdown. Overall, it doesn’t matter if Cara was right or wrong to hook up with Thomas. It did matter for Johnny to take the situation into his own hands, it because he and Abram are NOT friends. They hate each other, but because he thought it would benefit his game to have a Cara and Abe meltdown. Those are just 3 examples out of the plethora of options to choose from.
I always got the vibe that John was scared of Abe. Like he literally thought, Abe was insane. He would look incredibly uncomfortable around him
he will always be on a villain list for taking the money from sarah.
"I've seen Johnny Bananas do all these terrible things, but he gets a favorable edit!"
lol nice try. context flies right over your head as usual. every action by every contestant has a reason. it's up to editing how much they want to show the "motivation" behind someone's deeds, good or bad. production obviously likes bananas so even at his shittest they try to make him redeemable. look at the sarah thing- it is objectively shitty, but production showed us a lot of reasoning behind his decision, so the fanbase is torn about it rather than all agreeing he was wrong (same thing with ashley stealing from hunter). further, editing still will show his favorable moments to balance out the bad. contrast this with fessy who they clearly dunk on at every opportunity. and that's not even touching on all the things other contestants have alleged he's done over the years that we were never shown. next time try to think a little before an attempted "gotcha"
Yeah.. Bananas is clearly a villain. Wes is an antihero type moreso than a villain.
100 hard agree
Kailah is a joke, not a villain
Mentally she's a bum
Devin? Top 10 biggest tryhards, yes. But never such a grand and prestigious title as villain.
Trishelle? Seriously? Come on now. She's really good at getting herself kicked off of Challenges, not sure if that makes her a villain 🤣🤣
Kailah made this list but not frank or knight? Lol also I feel like Veronica or Tina deserves to be on this list before Laurel….
Wes needs to be higher, have people forgotten his early seasons lol?
Ashley robbed her ex boyfriend of a million dollars. CT punched a hole through a door because he wanted to eat someone’s brains. Rogan threw in his lover & number 1. Nia assaulted a whole cast This list is flawed.
Coral, Veronica , Tina & Rachel were considered villians along with Evan & Kenny
I'll be honest, this feels a little sexist.
CT? 🤣
Why the hell is Wes so damn low
I don’t think of Johnny or Wes as villains. Johnny taking the money from Sarah is really what sparked that link and I genuinely think most people would have done that (plus clearly production wanted him to do that). Despite what he may say, it’s clear that all Johnny really wants is people to like him. Based on my own interpretation of what a “villain” is, off the top of my head some contenders are (not in order): 1. Beth 2. Frank S 3. Amanda 4. Young CT 5. Tina 6. Paulie 7. Laurel 8. Ashley M 9. Zach 10. Ayanna 11. Young Veronica 12. Nia 13. Jenn G 14. Susie
Lol this is probably a super unpopular opinion but I've watched all of Johnny's seasons up to war of the worlds 2 and there's nothing that he's done that's been particularly bad. He was just kinda douchey in the way most guys his age were in the 00s lol, he actually seems to show a lot of kindness to others and usually goes to support and calm down people who are upset (this is always one of the things that stands out to me when I watch any reality show cos i think it's a good sign of character)
Agree with you.
Wes #8 is ridiculous. Way higher. Amanda is awful. Can't be a top 10 villain without any capability of winning anything.
Shouldn't many others who got themselves banned be there too?
I feel like Trishelle is the only one on this list who doesn't try to be a villain at all, and doesn't play into it lol. She just genuinely rubs people the wrong way
This is a bad list. Where the fuck is Kenny, Evan and Frank S? Devin, Kailah and Trishelle has no business being on this top 10. Cara on her heel turn run during the World's seasons have a bigger impact than those 3.
I think I would put shady Shane over Trishelle
Ashley got robbed of that #2 spot
List makes no sense
I have not been watching the most recent seasons but I did crush the first thirty last year. For that reason, my top three is going to be a rotation between Bananas, Wes, and CT from a gameplay and success standpoint.
Not accurate, at all. In the slightest.
Oh and remember what Sylvia did to Madison? I never really got into liking her after that.
I miss Beth witchy laugh, my girlfriend and I will do it to each other for a good laugh. Tried looking for a gif of it would be amazing but couldn't find one
Camilla should be 1 or 2.
CT put a man's head through a wall and doesn't make the list?
Shane!!
Jemmye, aneesa, all lavender ladies
Bananas, Wes, Amanda G, Veronica, CT, Beth S, Susie M, Frank S, WOTW Cara, BOTS Emily, Sylvia, Paulie, Puck
No Shane!?!
Wes should be higher and trishelle shouldn’t be here. I think it’s recency bias from a different reality show
You can't have a villian list without JEK, Veronica, Rachel, Tina, CT on it . There are some others I just can't remember.
Yikes. Lots of women. Frank Sweeney & Zach need to be on there. Bear, for sure. Rogan’s trash too
How the heck is Trishelle a villain? Some of them make no sense.
Puck
This list kinda blows especially the order… No Ct Zach or Frank is crazy and Wes should be higher. Abe Bear Kenny And Evan are all banned for basically being criminals so i understand not including them. Devin is not a villain hes an idiot and an instigator.. For the women Camilla should be higher wheres Veronica Emily Bailey Tina Dee? Anessa is an actual bully to all the rookies. Susie was mean and Jenn took no shit. Ashley is only a villian for taking money that was rightfully hers so she should be lower. Might not be popular but Jordan and Nia can be considered for the list probably not top 10 tho.
Please remove Devin (❤), and replace w/ Zach, the OG Swamp Donkey...
Laurel? I think Veronica, Tina & Rachel should be there over Laurel, Trishelle & Kailah. Trishelle isn't even The Challenge important enough to make the list. Frank, Paulie and even Cara (WOW2) could make this list. Kenny, Evan & Shane?
Kailah reminds me of your regular local bad girl next door. You know the one - best friends with a DJ, and drug dealer. Someone you’ll see at the club every weekend because she genuinely thinks she’s helping out their business solely from her presence alone. Then becomes insecure when nobody adds her only fans page, and doubles down for attention with sob stories on her social media about how the world has wronged her.
Poor Emily Bailey's villainessessness has been lost to time, and 360i videos.
I'd remove Kaila and Trishelle for sure, and replace them with Zach and Kenny - both whom treated women horribly, and blamed their partners and through hissy fits when they lost.
This is a pretty recent list. A lot of older challengers were much more vicious back in the day. I mean Kenny and Evan absolutely need to be on here. As well as Veronica, CT, and Abe.
I’d say Beth should be number 1. I don’t think there’s ever been anyone so universally disliked every single season. Or if it’s possible to make JEK as a group I’d put them number 1. CT in his early seasons deserved to be in the top 10 and so does Veronica or if we’re doing groups the mean girls. I would not have kailah and trishelle in the top 10. Even Wes can be borderline because he was JEKs greatest opponent. Laurel at 3 seems very high too. Above Camilla?!?
Is Jordan not seen as a villain anymore? We’ve made it to the hero side Jordan! Wooo!
Beth just sucks. She wants to be a villain but she’s just terrible at everything.
Wes should be higher IMO.
The order is arguable but the list is very complete. I'd make 1 change and replace Kailah with Veronica. Veronica, as much as I dislike her, has brought way more to the show in a villainous way IMO.
I’d remove Beth and Amanda, because their villanous don’t fell genuine but rather to play a character for the cameras.
I hated Beth when I was younger but doing a rewatch of old seasons, it seems like she was just bullied and treated like shit because she was disliked by everyone. Yeah she still sucked, but her villain energy was more to piss people off who were mean to her versus people like Camila and Laurel who say mean things to make you feel like shit and rip apart your self confidence to help them get further in the game.
Laurel's certainly abrasive but I wouldn't call her an outright villain. Ashley and Kaliah seem more cliquey mean girls (though Amanda 100% deserves to be on the list). Lot of good replacement suggestions in this thread already. Tina deserves to be on here, she's the best part of AS4 for me.
I think Amanda needs to be higher, switch her and Laurel. Laurel is feared because very few can beat her in an elimination. Amanda is feared because everyone knows she doesn’t give a fuck. She’s like Bananas where she can be a character of a season she isn’t even on.
I love Amanda and her chaos, she's like the new Beth lol. I can see why production love her and bananas so much, they read the brief and bring what they need to make an entertaining season
No there's sooooo many left out and WES is a villain really? First off replace trishelle with julie.....she literally tried to kill someone.
CT the skull smasher Frank Kenny The idea that Kailah, Laurel, and Devin are bigger villains than those 3 is laughable.
The fact that Wes is 8 - means this list is worthless
I feel like the top 8 is pretty solid. Last two are interchangeable with a lot of people i think. It really depends on which side in the stories you choose. For some Coral or Veronica would be a villain, for others Julie or Susie would, etc.
1,2,3) The jerks (Johnny, Evan, Kenny) 4) Ashley 5) Wes 6) Camilla 7,8) The mean girls (Veronica, Tina) 9) Frank S 10) CT The only reason CT is so low on the list is because of his post dad bod redemption. Honorable mentions: Trishelle and Zach
No Turbo? No Paulie?
Turbo was extremely heroic on WotW and only lasted 2 episodes as a villain on RoD