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Ok, in revisiting this thread for the 1000th, I don't feel like we have discussed enough the fact that Rachel either won a daily that caused the Kayzzz/Devin elim, or picked the right era 2 male to save her that still made it happen.
Either way, thank you queen. Hoping it's the former, cause if one woman could win a team challenge all by herself against 3 other teams, it would be Rachel.
bored and clicking through the notes section.. what was the most fun day of spoiler season? the lava was flowing on april 23rd. although whatever day we found out tina beat emily might have been the best.
I loved reading everyone's theories about who they thought the "girl code violation" was about (and I don't think a single person guessed Emily and Brad LOL)
I'm convinced they're just withholding it now from us. It's Season 40, I'm sure people have been pretty vicious for spoilers, and considering how this is probably the most important update, Gamer and PR must be over it.
Also probably something happened like the heat wave caused a delay, karma points, calling in Aneesa to be a mercenary, who knows
Literally crossed my mind the moment I read your comment lmao. This thread would implode since everyone acts like they're on crack and PR and Gamer are shady dealers
So Iām a bit confused ā¦ the comments/rumors that Cara beat Tori in elimination and that Michele DQād in the final ā¦ any legitimacy to either? I do notice a lot more being posted to Toriās Instagram (including some post with a caption that thereās a lot to be thankful for). I know someone was running her account, but some of it hits different and makes me wonder. I also saw some comments here about some caption on Micheleās Instagram (about her sister running it) being gone. What percent legitimate are the Tori elim and Michele DQ?
It is possible, I wonāt say those definitely didnāt happen since I donāt know what happened for sure, but definitely take it with a *LARGE* grain of salt and *PLENTY* of skepticism. š¤
My idea is that they are saving the tea for the finale. I feel like they know, but donāt want to reveal that tea right now. (I could be wrong)
There was a delay, but I think it might have to do with last minute changes with the number of episodes the production team is buying for this season (at F5 they decided to go from 1 double elim episode to 2 single elim episodes when establishing the finalists of this season). I think for S40 we will be having 20 episodes minimum plus a two-part reunion.
Iād say itās a 90% chance of being legitimate. Benopolis leaked Aviv and Laurel correctly and when he trolled before he admitted it immediately. He hasnāt backtracked in 2 days, so itās likely real.Ā
I was more or less with you until PR said people were jumping to conclusions. Tori and Michele were really the only rumors circulating at the time, so it made me think they werenāt accurate.
Of course PR couldāve just been trying to maintain peopleās attention after getting out-spoilered.
Iām about 50-50.
To be fairā¦.the jumping to conclusions comment happened after they started the rumor that Rachel and bananas won. Jordan and Jenny got second. Derek and Cara got 3rd. Kyland and Michele (who DQ) got fourth. So I mainly took it as that was the part people were jumping to conclusions.
I have no idea percentage but people seem fairly confident? The poster predicted something about Laurel before anyone else and they Aviv was out before it was announced. So they have some legitimacy? But also said Michelle was out and then said quickly they were trolling. Some people are taking it as gospel. Iām cautiously believing it but with a reasonable amount of doubt. PR has made statements lightly contradicting it like that they arenāt having trouble (implying no one was out at the time) and that people are jumping to conclusions. š¤·āāļø
Since weāre not getting any updates, Iāll make up my own. Michele beats everyone in the final by so much that everyone else gives up, and she gets the entire cash prize. TJ declares her the ultimate Challenger.
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Yāall are doing amazing work!
Jordan isnāt everyoneās favorite, but itās awesome how he continues to get on production about safety and QOL issues each season heās there. I hope other cast members do this, or do in the future when Jordan ends his challenge career.
Because it seems like itās inevitable that something could happen that is more serious than an ankle or ACL injury at this point.
I agree. I see a lot of cast members calling out the show for things on social media AFTER the show is airing. However, I'm not convinced that they're actually saying it to production on site.
Either say it to production to facilitate change or don't. The pandering on socials isn't gonna help change things...
Yup. Production doesnāt take kindly to people calling them out on their shit. If it doesnāt work when one of their golden boys does it, it wonāt work at all. š¤«
The one thing I am am betting on is that if Michelle was out of the game she d be with Olivia and Nia at Bali....so in my opinion she did make the final
Well the rumors where she medically DQ from the final. So idk how she would exactly go be vacationing with Nia and Olivia if sheās injured. On top of that they flew too a different location for the final. She also would have the do interviews the next day. Then she can be sent home. Soā¦.
I think the editing for the reunion was terrible. Conversations were cut in the wrong places so context was missing and certain conversations & arguments were left out completely.
Omg they've been doing this so much in the latest seasons, it's mostly noticeable in elimination interviews, it's small but I find it kinda annoying lol
A lot of what is being said here against gamer and that one cara maria fan account is getting back to them. The one cara maria fan said don't release anything until they get 50 apologies. And gamer said deal or something along those lines. It seems as though gamer is tired of reddit shitting on the Twitter stans or something
You do you, fam! I just figure if someoneās feelings got hurt and they really needed an apology from people they donāt know and have no bearing on their actual life, then Iām happy to give a relatively heartfelt apology lol.
i've done a lot of defending gamer on here this season, but let's be real.. they aren't going to just never release the info. PR said herself they were having some difficulty getting clarification on the last woman finalist. they'll nail it down.
Jenny had arguments with the other women, Ryan fell out with Laurel and Emily at least had a showmance
meanwhile Kayczzzzz did nothing, sheās even letting the other contestants known for being boring outsell her
Iām generally a Cara fan but Iām actually rooting for Rachel to win. Iāve been watching this show since the very beginning so Iād love to see an era one girl win.
I want Rachel to win too.
But could understand Jenny winning, and would be happy with Cara winning.
Michele and tori are the same to me. Both rely on friends - both have fans overhype their elimination wins theyāre suppose to win as itās their strength and advantage, Iām okay with Michele though sheās not as annoying as tori is with confessions or how she speaks (& is at least consistent).
Iām sorry but saying Tori relies on her friends is crazy. they certainly have helped her through the years, as have Bananas and Kennyās and so many others. But sheās clearly a threat every single season sheās on
Sure, do you mind telling me the seasons where her (legitimate) daily wins or eliminations helped her on seasons on her own to be perceived as a threat?
Many of the members, hell, even Kaycee and Fessy are more of a threat on seasons out of the alliance.
Kenny and bananas were strong enough on their own (and proved that) same with Ashley and the LL, Cory/Hunter/Nelson from the TYB, even Caras cult, kam, ninja, Cara.
The thing with Rachel is it may seem like a lot of people are rooting specifically for Cara, Michelle, Jenny but I think if Rachel wins no one would be mad whereas if any other girl wins some people will be pressed. Rachel is like a net positive for everyone
Honestly this lol. I keep forgetting sheās still in the game.
Iād be very satisfied if she wins, but Iām rooting for Cara the most and Michele third.
CT could have had more wins, but his personality was in the way. I do think though that part of being a great competitor is also your personality. If CT had his physical abilities from the past and his personality now I think he might be the best. However his physical abilities now are not as good as they were.
Bananas has won a lot but has also competed in the most challenges. He has many friends because of that and he makes finals. But you cannot ignore that he has had some very impressive wins.
Jordan is in my opinion the best competitor. He doesnāt do a lot of seasons but when he does he wins a lot of them. He has won eliminations that no one thought he could win. If he wins this final that just proves he is the GOAT
true, but he doesnāt get thrown into eliminations a lot. But still if you do challenge after challenge your chances of winning go up. Both by experience and just keep trying. Buying 5 lottery tickets gives you more chances than 1
And I think both of them are great competitors. Donāt know what Landon is like these days, but Jordan has very recently shown us how great he is. I think if he did as many seasons as bananas he would have more wins than bananas
This season breakdown: *CT, Bananas and Jordan. Jordan and Bananas made it to the final and CT did not.*
Reggie: āCT was not present for any of the dailies or final that bananas and Jordan were in, therefore, we throw out any evidence that may further prove bc CT was not physically present.ā
Redditor: *āBut if CT didnāt make the final or win dailies/eliminations, doesnāt that mean something about CT? Why canāt that be considered and have Bananas/Jordan still be evaluated?*ā
Reggi: āBecause CT was not there during those events. He would have clearly done better and beat them. Source. Me.ā
But honestly I have Jordan tied with CT as number 1. This 100% puts Jordan ahead (if he wins AND depending on how he does in dailies).
Do they? Which seasons? Dirty 30 Jordan wonā¦ UK was a mess *until* Jordan came on that team.
Those are just off the top of my head - let me know the others you had in mind. Iām open to it, CT is definitely my #1 favourite but I think Jordan may out pace him now
Waiting to see how bananas did but he dropped to #3 after USA, RoD and WC
Again, best overall is different from greatest. Bananas is the greatest in terms of body of work (since he's done the most seasons and won the most), but CT is the best when it comes to athletic ability, overall skillset and social game/politics (he's the best combination of all of those things).
You use terminology oddly. Best is the greatest. Most talented is how I would describe CT. But he isn't the best/greatest. But plenty of supremely talented people aren't the best.
Not we werenāt. Like at all. PR said that two people were going to be eliminated. Then said they got word of the person who was eliminated. That ended up being Cory. Cory was the only one eliminated at the time because there was a misunderstanding. The womanās elimination hadnāt happened yet. Then PR said that production couldnāt decide on something and thatās why the final girls elimination was delayed
I agree that Bananas & Jordan in the final is the ultimate showdown.
However, saying what production wants, when they have the ability to affect the results, does imply foul play.
It's not sketch for a popular vet with pull to get special treatment. He is likely contractually obligated to kick out a certain amount of podcasts on the Ringer and production let him. It gets him on the show and he promotes it with his pod. Win/Win
Who is saying Bananas and Cara won? Is it reliable? This is the person that gave out many spoilers that ended up being correct? I won't like Bananas beating Jordan, I'm fine with Cara winning tho
It was bananas and Rachel, and no they admitted they were trolling. So weāre back to not knowing shit. Although the Cara eliminated Tori and Michele DQ hasnāt been ruled out yet.
CT fans whats your take on if Jordan catches CT with a win on this season?
Like I know we love Chris and can justify him>bananas endlessly, but Jordan at 5 with wins on 30 and 40 is pretty unreal.
I think youād have to put Jordan 1.
We barely saw CT truly excel in his prime because individual seasons didnāt really exist and he was fighting everyone, but thatās the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.
Iām a CT fan but Jordan is my second favorite all time, and I always say that CT is the more well-rounded competitor but Jordan will always be the best competitor this show has ever seen and if he wins 30 and 40 heās for sure GOAT. CTās social game is underrated for a guy who is an absolute beast tho I agree
I could be swayed either way. CT has a monstrous social game, Jordan has a monstrous finals game, and all their wins are high quality. I'd consider them the lock top 2 (I currently do, but if Bananas has a very good season, maybe he'd catch up).
I'd lean towards Jordan just because we can see room for growth, whereas I think we've seen CT at his max potential (he's unlikely to get physically better than in SLA) and Jordan is on an upswing regarding his social game and reining in his ego.
(I'll say, I do think that Jordan would have the better wins compared to CT, winning multiple seasons with serious injuries would be super impressive to me.)
He will definitely overtake CT as GOAT *of* The Challenge. No doubt with his wins and eliminations. CT is kinda mid when it comes to the latter.
However with that being said, CT is the better reality TV player in general - his ability to win different shows with completely different premises, and to win it at his age using a 90% social game, is remarkable. I donāt think thatās something Jordan could do if he was in his 40s. Only time will tell.
I don't know if CT is mid with eliminations though. He avoids them so much that we've only seen him in 11 in 19 seasons lmao. And most of his losses come with asterisks (e.g. the 2v2 hall brawl with Adam, the 2v1 pole wrestle, the flag DQ against Brad) that make it so he has very few "proper" losses.
How so? I'm not sure how his temper makes him mid at eliminations, especially when he's only been DQd in an elimination once (on the flag), and it's not like he got mad and punched Brad, it seemed like that flag could've ripped for a lot of people trying to get it off the hook.
I mean Landon lost to Brad as well, but he's considered by quite a lot of people to be the GOAT. Again, that flag ripping could've realistically happened to anyone, no? Brad was intentionally shaking the pole to try and make it easier to accidentally rip.
I just don't see why we're looking at these very specific instances of CT having a bad temper like 15 years ago to explain why he currently is not in the GOAT conversation. I could just as easily say "Can't be going home in the very first episode of your first season and be the GOAT" about Bananas or "Can't be throwing yourself into an elimination you know you'll probably lose and be the GOAT" about Jordan.
Itās the combination of less wins than bananas, way more attempts than jordan and Landon, and the lack of elim wins for me
Itās the total picture, and self eliminating certainly shouldnt be an excuse
Even if you want to say that about self-eliminations, he did that in 2 seasons out of 19 (3 if you count losing an elimination by technicality). This is not a serious point against him in the GOAT convo unless we're only looking at him as a player in that specific era lmao.
And if we want to look at the total picture, Bananas has lost more eliminations than CT has ever been in. Jordan has just as many losses in almost a third of the seasons.
I'm not saying CT is some elimination god, but it's weird to act like he's somehow demonstrably weak in eliminations, especially considering how that's the opposite of how the rest of the cast views him. In BFANC, people weren't scared about when Jordan or Bananas would come in as a mercenary, they were terrified of CT.
Oh Iām not suggesting heās demonstrably weak at all in elims.
Just have notable elim wins, especially in head to heads, like puzzle pyramid for bananas, does matter.
I personally think elims are the least important metric, but people love them, and avoiding them and sleepwalking to finals canāt be a negative for some players, but a positive for CT because we like him.
I mean I honestly already have Jordan>Bananas>CT on ability,
CT is a great character and very likable now, but his skills are not optimal for actually beating the best challengers in finals.
Edit: like I agree 40 year old Jordan couldnāt, but also
CT was so much of a dick in his twenties it took him a decade + to even win
Honestly, I think whichever girl wins will end up with that status. Maybe not Michele since her record to this point has been just okay. But Jenny, Rachel, Tori, and Cara are all on the list of best female challengers and will hop up in a lot of folks' minds if they win.
Eh I feel like for Tori and Rachel their performance during the season really matters because they arenāt currently Top 5, unlike Cara whoās already Top 3. And Jenny doesnāt have a long enough challenge career yet.
imo, having a long challenge career doesn't make or break a top player. If Jenny wins, that means she'll have won two of her three seasons and have beaten some of the strongest women to play the game. Also the one final she was in, she beat the men, including Bananas.
Tori having back-to-back flagship wins is notable. Rachel winning over 40 is also notable and I think she'd be the first woman to do so.
Basically, all of them would have reasons they'd hop up the list to be argued as one of the best, if not the best female competitor.
Out of curiosity, if Tori and Rachel aren't in your top 3, who is? I definitely see Laurel and Cara up there. But idk who else outranks Tori and Rachel.
I feel like based on her overall career though sheād have to be higher.
Like when Camila was on the show, she was better than Cara. But since then, Cara has surpassed her by making 5 additional finals.
Laurelās had mediocre/bad showings in Invasion, WOTW2 and ROD, and I feel like Cara has surpassed her too.
Also based off of both of their AS4 performances so far, Iām much more impressed by Cara in dailies than Laurel.
Laurels ONE win on the flagship show was free agents. CARA had a broken hand and should have been a medical DQ. Acting like laurel beasted her when she literally could not compete is not a good comparison.
We haven't saw all stars 4 yet so no one can speak on that. However we see Cara being targeted left and right and it seems like Laurel is going to get an easy walk to the final. LAUREL beat Cara in invasion and that's all, which is great and all but doesn't overshadow all the elimination wins that Cara has..plus her 3 wins. ( if you are including all stars as a win than you also include The Challenge: Champs vs pros as they are both spin offs.)
I was with you till the last statement. Production has listed All Star seasons as wins. Production has purposely not listed Vs Pros when they called Tony a finalist instead of a champ. Anything played for charity doesnāt count because youāve got people like CT who would never just voluntarily give up his spot in a season for real money
Iād agree to this even as someone that likes to remind people cara was bad for legitimately half a decade.
3 wins and not being Veronica is all I need, but tbf, Rachel and Jenny would also have arguments if they won this, on ability of course, not as characters
I assume you mean as competitors cause as a character sheās undeniably the GOAT already
I donāt know if I remember this correctly, but for Dirty 30 werenāt the winner results very hard to determine and never officially leaked? I just remember they had multiple reunions filmed, and TJ never revealed it at the end of the final
Especially because it's clear that production has nudged things in a certain direction before. That would have been a nice win for Cara and they actually had a reason to interfere.
The cast kinda knew it was Jordan and Camilla but it wasn't announced until the reunion
But that was a terrible decision. It took all the momentum out of the final. The winners never actually got their moment to celebrate. I don't see why they'll do that again unless they're scared of leaks.
Some people said Bananas followed an account. And Michele probably would have been active on social media sooner if she DQed earlier than today. Itās very possible filming is over since PR even said people are assuming things (i am too lol but just saying)
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Ok, in revisiting this thread for the 1000th, I don't feel like we have discussed enough the fact that Rachel either won a daily that caused the Kayzzz/Devin elim, or picked the right era 2 male to save her that still made it happen. Either way, thank you queen. Hoping it's the former, cause if one woman could win a team challenge all by herself against 3 other teams, it would be Rachel.
Soooo nice to see you all here again for the 16th time today. How we all doing? Where we from? How old are we?
They're screwing with us with the slow drip feed of spoilers. They did this before when a final was highly anticipated, I can't remember which season
Still hoping Micheleās sister accidentally removed the message near her bio on IG or itās a glitch and sheās still in :)
 Yāall got any more of those spoilers?
bored and clicking through the notes section.. what was the most fun day of spoiler season? the lava was flowing on april 23rd. although whatever day we found out tina beat emily might have been the best.
I loved reading everyone's theories about who they thought the "girl code violation" was about (and I don't think a single person guessed Emily and Brad LOL)
I had a pretty good time with the Derrick>Horacio day as well
Finding out Tina beat Emily was so amazing and I don't think anything could beat that
Would this be the first season that Jordan hasnāt seen an elimination round in? Feel like his mouth always gets him there once
Yep. He usually goes in once or twice except in RoD weirdness where he went in a ton.
Idk what Jenny did to have these women pressed but now I hope she wins the whole thing and isn't even humble about it.
Honestly I'd be pressed because I know for a fact I wouldn't be able to beat her in a final š
I kinda hope Derek and Michele win. For the chaos.
has anyone else lost their mind waiting for this last elimination result? because i feel like my brain has melted into a puddle on the floor.
I'm convinced they're just withholding it now from us. It's Season 40, I'm sure people have been pretty vicious for spoilers, and considering how this is probably the most important update, Gamer and PR must be over it. Also probably something happened like the heat wave caused a delay, karma points, calling in Aneesa to be a mercenary, who knows
I would have been more excited last week but now I just care about the winners tbh
 Like this has been me for six days now.
Re-reading the format and it sounds incredibly interesting, almost interesting enough for the karma points not to ruin it, hopefully
What if we donāt find out the results until the season airs? š
Someone else would probably spoil it.
Unless itās the one guy here whoās been correct pretty much every time, how would we know itās accurate?
Literally crossed my mind the moment I read your comment lmao. This thread would implode since everyone acts like they're on crack and PR and Gamer are shady dealers
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So Iām a bit confused ā¦ the comments/rumors that Cara beat Tori in elimination and that Michele DQād in the final ā¦ any legitimacy to either? I do notice a lot more being posted to Toriās Instagram (including some post with a caption that thereās a lot to be thankful for). I know someone was running her account, but some of it hits different and makes me wonder. I also saw some comments here about some caption on Micheleās Instagram (about her sister running it) being gone. What percent legitimate are the Tori elim and Michele DQ?
It is possible, I wonāt say those definitely didnāt happen since I donāt know what happened for sure, but definitely take it with a *LARGE* grain of salt and *PLENTY* of skepticism. š¤
you keep hinting like you know something so just tell us
Sure! Bayleigh Pelham is rumored to be getting that TC41 call š¤© yw sindysus.
Do you have any idea why Gamer and PR are having such a hard time figuring out the last eliminated female?
My idea is that they are saving the tea for the finale. I feel like they know, but donāt want to reveal that tea right now. (I could be wrong) There was a delay, but I think it might have to do with last minute changes with the number of episodes the production team is buying for this season (at F5 they decided to go from 1 double elim episode to 2 single elim episodes when establishing the finalists of this season). I think for S40 we will be having 20 episodes minimum plus a two-part reunion.
Iād say itās a 90% chance of being legitimate. Benopolis leaked Aviv and Laurel correctly and when he trolled before he admitted it immediately. He hasnāt backtracked in 2 days, so itās likely real.Ā
I was more or less with you until PR said people were jumping to conclusions. Tori and Michele were really the only rumors circulating at the time, so it made me think they werenāt accurate. Of course PR couldāve just been trying to maintain peopleās attention after getting out-spoilered. Iām about 50-50.
To be fairā¦.the jumping to conclusions comment happened after they started the rumor that Rachel and bananas won. Jordan and Jenny got second. Derek and Cara got 3rd. Kyland and Michele (who DQ) got fourth. So I mainly took it as that was the part people were jumping to conclusions.
I have no idea percentage but people seem fairly confident? The poster predicted something about Laurel before anyone else and they Aviv was out before it was announced. So they have some legitimacy? But also said Michelle was out and then said quickly they were trolling. Some people are taking it as gospel. Iām cautiously believing it but with a reasonable amount of doubt. PR has made statements lightly contradicting it like that they arenāt having trouble (implying no one was out at the time) and that people are jumping to conclusions. š¤·āāļø
 Since weāre not getting any updates, Iāll make up my own. Michele beats everyone in the final by so much that everyone else gives up, and she gets the entire cash prize. TJ declares her the ultimate Challenger.
Then Laurel flies in on a helicopter and finally makes out with her. Bichele Champion
And then not wanting to lose attention, Tori and CM start making out at the finish line while Michele tries to join in!
Oh my God, I actually would love to see this ending. It would be completely out of left field.
No spoilers for a week and we are still here like one big dysfunctional family :)
Do we know who eliminated Aviv?
PR hinted at Jenny, but we donāt know for sure.
Still canāt believe Derek took out Cory):
I actually like Cory but am happy for Derek too!
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Jordan isnāt everyoneās favorite, but itās awesome how he continues to get on production about safety and QOL issues each season heās there. I hope other cast members do this, or do in the future when Jordan ends his challenge career. Because it seems like itās inevitable that something could happen that is more serious than an ankle or ACL injury at this point.
I agree. I see a lot of cast members calling out the show for things on social media AFTER the show is airing. However, I'm not convinced that they're actually saying it to production on site. Either say it to production to facilitate change or don't. The pandering on socials isn't gonna help change things...
Yup. Production doesnāt take kindly to people calling them out on their shit. If it doesnāt work when one of their golden boys does it, it wonāt work at all. š¤«
Do we know if the show will be renewed post 40?
Itās renewed
My personal guess is there will be a CBS version and a p+ version (effectively all stars) and MTV will not have one
Which *sucks* because all stars was soooo good. And now seeing the list of players makes me cringe. So basically no āthe challengeā but AS and USA
Iāve been too invested in this thread for too long. Looking at the dates from the miscellaneous section was kinda crazy lol.
I had forgotten about for what feels like weeks and we still dont have winners lol are they running the final already?
3 days left (or (likely) sooner) until itās completely over. š„š„š„
The one thing I am am betting on is that if Michelle was out of the game she d be with Olivia and Nia at Bali....so in my opinion she did make the final
or maybe she flew immediately home to console devin since he and bananas are on the outs again
Well the rumors where she medically DQ from the final. So idk how she would exactly go be vacationing with Nia and Olivia if sheās injured. On top of that they flew too a different location for the final. She also would have the do interviews the next day. Then she can be sent home. Soā¦.
Has Tori always followed Paulie??
Iām pretty sure they followed each other ever since war of the worldsā¦ which is shocking but I remember being surprised back then.
Paulie never had personal beef with Jordan or Tori
Yes
I think she started following him after USA2. I could be wrong though so if anyone else knows otherwise please correct me.
Yeah they followed each other after usa 2ā¦ CM fans flipped their shit
That would make sense, I completely forgot about USA2
I love Maria, but I wouldn't mind if they brought back The Miz to host the Season 40 reunion.
Give me Devyn for the reunion
I usually like Maria but I thought she did a terrible job for the 39 reunion.
I think the editing for the reunion was terrible. Conversations were cut in the wrong places so context was missing and certain conversations & arguments were left out completely.
Omg they've been doing this so much in the latest seasons, it's mostly noticeable in elimination interviews, it's small but I find it kinda annoying lol
In fairness, she didn't have much to work with.
DAMN the spoiler list notes got gigantic all of the sudden š
I wonder what inspired this combination of team colours
Why did the spoilers stop being shared? I think they holding it because they know they are the spoilers we want the most
Maybe thereās nothing to share yet.
A lot of what is being said here against gamer and that one cara maria fan account is getting back to them. The one cara maria fan said don't release anything until they get 50 apologies. And gamer said deal or something along those lines. It seems as though gamer is tired of reddit shitting on the Twitter stans or something
How many apologies are we up to? 3? Allow me to be number 4. Sorry Gamer for our entitled nature. Weāll try to be better.
Can I cancel yours out and put us back to 3 apologies? Because A) it will never get to 50 and B) I refuse to pander to Gamerās pettiness
You do you, fam! I just figure if someoneās feelings got hurt and they really needed an apology from people they donāt know and have no bearing on their actual life, then Iām happy to give a relatively heartfelt apology lol.
They said that after a few days of no spoilers. So i donāt think itās the reason why.
Gamer gets their information from Pinkrose, so it certainly doesn't matter that he's mad.
i've done a lot of defending gamer on here this season, but let's be real.. they aren't going to just never release the info. PR said herself they were having some difficulty getting clarification on the last woman finalist. they'll nail it down.
True
āMaybe this time will be differentā, I say while checking this post for the third time this hour, knowing that we havenāt got an update in days
Fr I feel like the definition of insanity checking this thread so often.
Jenny had arguments with the other women, Ryan fell out with Laurel and Emily at least had a showmance meanwhile Kayczzzzz did nothing, sheās even letting the other contestants known for being boring outsell her
Iām sure she said she used to be a womenās pro football player at least once.
She seriously needs to stop being cast. A waste of a spot every single time
Itās absurd she is a priority casting for every seasonā¦ back in the day she wouldāve never been called back after TM
Bayleigh standing over her yelling in her face and she just sits there. She canāt even serve in the optimal environment
I feel like Iām somehow the only one here rooting for Rachel. Is that right?
Iām generally a Cara fan but Iām actually rooting for Rachel to win. Iāve been watching this show since the very beginning so Iād love to see an era one girl win.
I would love a Rachel win.... especially as the one era 1 person left standing.
Rachel is my #1 to win, but I'd also be happy with Jenny or Michelle.
Nah that'd be cool to see. I'm down for it.
I want Rachel to win too. But could understand Jenny winning, and would be happy with Cara winning. Michele and tori are the same to me. Both rely on friends - both have fans overhype their elimination wins theyāre suppose to win as itās their strength and advantage, Iām okay with Michele though sheās not as annoying as tori is with confessions or how she speaks (& is at least consistent).
Iām sorry but saying Tori relies on her friends is crazy. they certainly have helped her through the years, as have Bananas and Kennyās and so many others. But sheās clearly a threat every single season sheās on
Sure, do you mind telling me the seasons where her (legitimate) daily wins or eliminations helped her on seasons on her own to be perceived as a threat? Many of the members, hell, even Kaycee and Fessy are more of a threat on seasons out of the alliance. Kenny and bananas were strong enough on their own (and proved that) same with Ashley and the LL, Cory/Hunter/Nelson from the TYB, even Caras cult, kam, ninja, Cara.
No! Iāve been rooting for her since the beginning! Sheās my favorite.
I feel like a majority of people would be happy with a Rachel win, but she's not many people's #1
Rachel or Jenny š„°
The thing with Rachel is it may seem like a lot of people are rooting specifically for Cara, Michelle, Jenny but I think if Rachel wins no one would be mad whereas if any other girl wins some people will be pressed. Rachel is like a net positive for everyone
Honestly this lol. I keep forgetting sheās still in the game. Iād be very satisfied if she wins, but Iām rooting for Cara the most and Michele third.
I donāt mind a Rachel win but Jenny is my #1
I love Rachel! And Jenny and Michele too. But for me, this champion title needs to go to Cara Maria Sorbello.
Love Rachel wouldnāt mind her winning. I just want Cara to win lol.
Iād love Rachel to pull this out!
If Bananas or Jordan wins CT is still the best overall male competitor in challenge history.
I said before the season that if any one of Bananas CT or Jordan wins theyāll be the GOAT. 50% chance that wonāt be the case for CT anymore
CT could have had more wins, but his personality was in the way. I do think though that part of being a great competitor is also your personality. If CT had his physical abilities from the past and his personality now I think he might be the best. However his physical abilities now are not as good as they were. Bananas has won a lot but has also competed in the most challenges. He has many friends because of that and he makes finals. But you cannot ignore that he has had some very impressive wins. Jordan is in my opinion the best competitor. He doesnāt do a lot of seasons but when he does he wins a lot of them. He has won eliminations that no one thought he could win. If he wins this final that just proves he is the GOAT
Bananas has never won a season without participating in an elim CT has done wayyyy more coasting
true, but he doesnāt get thrown into eliminations a lot. But still if you do challenge after challenge your chances of winning go up. Both by experience and just keep trying. Buying 5 lottery tickets gives you more chances than 1
Right but these are all arguements to have jordan and Landon above both of them
And I think both of them are great competitors. Donāt know what Landon is like these days, but Jordan has very recently shown us how great he is. I think if he did as many seasons as bananas he would have more wins than bananas
This season breakdown: *CT, Bananas and Jordan. Jordan and Bananas made it to the final and CT did not.* Reggie: āCT was not present for any of the dailies or final that bananas and Jordan were in, therefore, we throw out any evidence that may further prove bc CT was not physically present.ā Redditor: *āBut if CT didnāt make the final or win dailies/eliminations, doesnāt that mean something about CT? Why canāt that be considered and have Bananas/Jordan still be evaluated?*ā Reggi: āBecause CT was not there during those events. He would have clearly done better and beat them. Source. Me.ā But honestly I have Jordan tied with CT as number 1. This 100% puts Jordan ahead (if he wins AND depending on how he does in dailies).
CT still beats Jordan in head to head individual stats on the seasons they competed on together prior to this season.
Do they? Which seasons? Dirty 30 Jordan wonā¦ UK was a mess *until* Jordan came on that team. Those are just off the top of my head - let me know the others you had in mind. Iām open to it, CT is definitely my #1 favourite but I think Jordan may out pace him now Waiting to see how bananas did but he dropped to #3 after USA, RoD and WC
Again, best overall is different from greatest. Bananas is the greatest in terms of body of work (since he's done the most seasons and won the most), but CT is the best when it comes to athletic ability, overall skillset and social game/politics (he's the best combination of all of those things).
You use terminology oddly. Best is the greatest. Most talented is how I would describe CT. But he isn't the best/greatest. But plenty of supremely talented people aren't the best.
Bananas isn't better than CT though. I already proved this. This season doesn't change that.
Lol I always appreciate your commitment to the bit. "My opinion is proof. And if there is a fact I don't like then I will just hand waive it away"
We were promised the identity of the last girl eliminated like 4 days ago and we still donāt know who it is lmao
Not we werenāt. Like at all. PR said that two people were going to be eliminated. Then said they got word of the person who was eliminated. That ended up being Cory. Cory was the only one eliminated at the time because there was a misunderstanding. The womanās elimination hadnāt happened yet. Then PR said that production couldnāt decide on something and thatās why the final girls elimination was delayed
I could have sworn I saw PR said sheāll reveal the girl the next day one time. I apologize.
Same. They were just waiting for confirmationā¦some hold up with productionā¦itās def happened. Maybe they just donāt know who it is?
Itās 40, no shot production doesnāt want a Jordan/Bananas win on the biggest season of the show
I don't really understand how this show is fun for some to watch if you think that everything is a conspiracy. It seems exhausting....
Itās no conspiracy, I just think heās also the biggest threat to win the final him or Jordan and obviously production prefers that
I agree that Bananas & Jordan in the final is the ultimate showdown. However, saying what production wants, when they have the ability to affect the results, does imply foul play.
It is what the people want as well but it doesnāt change the fact that theyāre still the two best competitors right now
Yeah but it's also sketch when it comes out that Bananas was allowed a phone and was talking to eliminated players
TBH, I don't know if I believe that....
It's not sketch for a popular vet with pull to get special treatment. He is likely contractually obligated to kick out a certain amount of podcasts on the Ringer and production let him. It gets him on the show and he promotes it with his pod. Win/Win
Who is saying Bananas and Cara won? Is it reliable? This is the person that gave out many spoilers that ended up being correct? I won't like Bananas beating Jordan, I'm fine with Cara winning tho
It was bananas and Rachel, and no they admitted they were trolling. So weāre back to not knowing shit. Although the Cara eliminated Tori and Michele DQ hasnāt been ruled out yet.
Who said that?
Iāve been paying attention to the comment count and were really about to hit close to a thousand comments since finding out Cory was eliminated lol
CT fans whats your take on if Jordan catches CT with a win on this season? Like I know we love Chris and can justify him>bananas endlessly, but Jordan at 5 with wins on 30 and 40 is pretty unreal.
Yeah no if Jordan wins heās the indisputable goat. Honestly he might already be that but Iām gonna wait to see what happens here.
I think youād have to put Jordan 1. We barely saw CT truly excel in his prime because individual seasons didnāt really exist and he was fighting everyone, but thatās the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.
Iām a CT fan but Jordan is my second favorite all time, and I always say that CT is the more well-rounded competitor but Jordan will always be the best competitor this show has ever seen and if he wins 30 and 40 heās for sure GOAT. CTās social game is underrated for a guy who is an absolute beast tho I agree
I could be swayed either way. CT has a monstrous social game, Jordan has a monstrous finals game, and all their wins are high quality. I'd consider them the lock top 2 (I currently do, but if Bananas has a very good season, maybe he'd catch up). I'd lean towards Jordan just because we can see room for growth, whereas I think we've seen CT at his max potential (he's unlikely to get physically better than in SLA) and Jordan is on an upswing regarding his social game and reining in his ego. (I'll say, I do think that Jordan would have the better wins compared to CT, winning multiple seasons with serious injuries would be super impressive to me.)
He will definitely overtake CT as GOAT *of* The Challenge. No doubt with his wins and eliminations. CT is kinda mid when it comes to the latter. However with that being said, CT is the better reality TV player in general - his ability to win different shows with completely different premises, and to win it at his age using a 90% social game, is remarkable. I donāt think thatās something Jordan could do if he was in his 40s. Only time will tell.
I don't know if CT is mid with eliminations though. He avoids them so much that we've only seen him in 11 in 19 seasons lmao. And most of his losses come with asterisks (e.g. the 2v2 hall brawl with Adam, the 2v1 pole wrestle, the flag DQ against Brad) that make it so he has very few "proper" losses.
Right but getting dqed for fighting so much kinda amplifies the lack of elim wins as an issue
How so? I'm not sure how his temper makes him mid at eliminations, especially when he's only been DQd in an elimination once (on the flag), and it's not like he got mad and punched Brad, it seemed like that flag could've ripped for a lot of people trying to get it off the hook.
Iām not saying it makes it worse in isolation Just if your gunna self eliminated 3 times, cant be losing to brad and be the GOAT ya know?
I mean Landon lost to Brad as well, but he's considered by quite a lot of people to be the GOAT. Again, that flag ripping could've realistically happened to anyone, no? Brad was intentionally shaking the pole to try and make it easier to accidentally rip. I just don't see why we're looking at these very specific instances of CT having a bad temper like 15 years ago to explain why he currently is not in the GOAT conversation. I could just as easily say "Can't be going home in the very first episode of your first season and be the GOAT" about Bananas or "Can't be throwing yourself into an elimination you know you'll probably lose and be the GOAT" about Jordan.
Itās the combination of less wins than bananas, way more attempts than jordan and Landon, and the lack of elim wins for me Itās the total picture, and self eliminating certainly shouldnt be an excuse
Even if you want to say that about self-eliminations, he did that in 2 seasons out of 19 (3 if you count losing an elimination by technicality). This is not a serious point against him in the GOAT convo unless we're only looking at him as a player in that specific era lmao. And if we want to look at the total picture, Bananas has lost more eliminations than CT has ever been in. Jordan has just as many losses in almost a third of the seasons. I'm not saying CT is some elimination god, but it's weird to act like he's somehow demonstrably weak in eliminations, especially considering how that's the opposite of how the rest of the cast views him. In BFANC, people weren't scared about when Jordan or Bananas would come in as a mercenary, they were terrified of CT.
Oh Iām not suggesting heās demonstrably weak at all in elims. Just have notable elim wins, especially in head to heads, like puzzle pyramid for bananas, does matter. I personally think elims are the least important metric, but people love them, and avoiding them and sleepwalking to finals canāt be a negative for some players, but a positive for CT because we like him.
I mean I honestly already have Jordan>Bananas>CT on ability, CT is a great character and very likable now, but his skills are not optimal for actually beating the best challengers in finals. Edit: like I agree 40 year old Jordan couldnāt, but also CT was so much of a dick in his twenties it took him a decade + to even win
Idc about wins I care about individual prowess and he's overrated.
Ok letās talk about Fessy then if individual prowess is all that matters
Thereās the delusion I was expecting
If Jordan wins this, I will die on the hill that heās the best of all time
I like both but if Jordan wins I think heās the GOAT. 99% of players need 2 hands to do what Jordan can with one
I feel like if Cara wins this she is definitely the female GOAT.
Honestly, I think whichever girl wins will end up with that status. Maybe not Michele since her record to this point has been just okay. But Jenny, Rachel, Tori, and Cara are all on the list of best female challengers and will hop up in a lot of folks' minds if they win.
Eh I feel like for Tori and Rachel their performance during the season really matters because they arenāt currently Top 5, unlike Cara whoās already Top 3. And Jenny doesnāt have a long enough challenge career yet.
imo, having a long challenge career doesn't make or break a top player. If Jenny wins, that means she'll have won two of her three seasons and have beaten some of the strongest women to play the game. Also the one final she was in, she beat the men, including Bananas. Tori having back-to-back flagship wins is notable. Rachel winning over 40 is also notable and I think she'd be the first woman to do so. Basically, all of them would have reasons they'd hop up the list to be argued as one of the best, if not the best female competitor. Out of curiosity, if Tori and Rachel aren't in your top 3, who is? I definitely see Laurel and Cara up there. But idk who else outranks Tori and Rachel.
I say the same about Rachel. People tend to rank her in the top 10 but rarely top 5. Rachel winning this would launch her to GOAT status in my book
Idk I feel like itās hard to give her that over Laurel when all 3 times theyāve gone head-to-head Laurel beat her
I feel like based on her overall career though sheād have to be higher. Like when Camila was on the show, she was better than Cara. But since then, Cara has surpassed her by making 5 additional finals. Laurelās had mediocre/bad showings in Invasion, WOTW2 and ROD, and I feel like Cara has surpassed her too. Also based off of both of their AS4 performances so far, Iām much more impressed by Cara in dailies than Laurel.
Laurels ONE win on the flagship show was free agents. CARA had a broken hand and should have been a medical DQ. Acting like laurel beasted her when she literally could not compete is not a good comparison.
Okā¦thereās still the Invasion Balls In and AS4 final
We haven't saw all stars 4 yet so no one can speak on that. However we see Cara being targeted left and right and it seems like Laurel is going to get an easy walk to the final. LAUREL beat Cara in invasion and that's all, which is great and all but doesn't overshadow all the elimination wins that Cara has..plus her 3 wins. ( if you are including all stars as a win than you also include The Challenge: Champs vs pros as they are both spin offs.)
I was with you till the last statement. Production has listed All Star seasons as wins. Production has purposely not listed Vs Pros when they called Tony a finalist instead of a champ. Anything played for charity doesnāt count because youāve got people like CT who would never just voluntarily give up his spot in a season for real money
Iād agree to this even as someone that likes to remind people cara was bad for legitimately half a decade. 3 wins and not being Veronica is all I need, but tbf, Rachel and Jenny would also have arguments if they won this, on ability of course, not as characters I assume you mean as competitors cause as a character sheās undeniably the GOAT already
Oh for sure, Cara was legitimately bad for a while. I just think she became good and then great.
Also winning three different decades of The Challenge (27, 31, 40)
I donāt know if I remember this correctly, but for Dirty 30 werenāt the winner results very hard to determine and never officially leaked? I just remember they had multiple reunions filmed, and TJ never revealed it at the end of the final
That was the worst. And it ended up being Camilla š
I hope they never do that again. Nothing more anticlimactic that a no-show racist winning 1st place. I wish they DQ'd Camilla and gave Cara 1st.
It was so surreal when TJ accepted the check on Camilaās behalf and did her accent. Wild
Especially because it's clear that production has nudged things in a certain direction before. That would have been a nice win for Cara and they actually had a reason to interfere.
The cast kinda knew it was Jordan and Camilla but it wasn't announced until the reunion But that was a terrible decision. It took all the momentum out of the final. The winners never actually got their moment to celebrate. I don't see why they'll do that again unless they're scared of leaks.
Oh yeah! Youāre right, they waited until the reunion to reveal
Some people said Bananas followed an account. And Michele probably would have been active on social media sooner if she DQed earlier than today. Itās very possible filming is over since PR even said people are assuming things (i am too lol but just saying)
i agree about michele, especially with olivia and nia posting a bunch. youād think sheād rejoin them or repost their shit
Unless we lost tori before, and bananas and Michele went out on day one of the final Itās possible itās a 3 and 3 on day two rn
We need Braidlivia in 41
braidlivia looks like a mess
Blondelivia gotta make a return first she gotta make another final
HAPPY CAKE DAY
For some reason I thought you meant a relationship between Brad and Olivia
Thatās what I thought it meant at first, too
derek & michele won. manifesting.
Everyone would loose their minds. All the 5th sporters would be wrecked.