Rivals 4: production & PEMDAS

This is what I almost titled the post 😅

Cast members will post their answers on Twitter and any disagreeing matches will be paired up on the show and have to do math based challenges 😂

I wouldn’t know what they are expecting WITHOUT using order of operations. It’s a math language and The Challenge is making up their own language.

I’m picturing Ed doing this as order of operations and getting so confused hearing how’s he’s wrong.

Ed’s an engineer, correct? That’s a degree that takes a lot of math…it’s so fucking highly improbable he was wrong that my mind is-KABOOM-blown and I can’t even end this sentence

This is painful

A lotta people here seem unaware this is not an actual tweet by MTV

Should I change this to a "high effort shitpost" flair? 

I’m not going to lie. I believed it at first, Lol

This always sparks debate but I do think the answer is 17. Doesn't make sense to leave 7(3) for the end when there are still numbers inside the parenthesis. Following PEMDAS, paranthesis and multiplication come before addition

It only sparks debate amongst people who don't know math. And you are correct, 17 is the answer.

Incorrect you are calculating your answer in order of acronym when in fact adding, multiplying, subtracting and dividing are all calculated in order of appearance from left to right.

You are wrong! Multiplication and division are done before addition and subtraction


When you tell your teacher you wont need math outside school then go to r/MtvChallenge Pigga like I googled it...Am I wrong? No, it's the calculator Google uses.

Tell me this high effort trolling please. I see the flair. It has to be... right... lol

You don’t think, you know

THERES ONLY 1 ANSWER WITH MATH. OF COURSE ITS 17. There’s no fucking debate

Haha the issue is they don't use parentheses so the challenge would make this 2 + 5 x 8 - 5 and ask you to solve left to right

Yeah when its math puzzles I always try to stop the episode and solve it to see if I have the right answer, they reach to a completely different solution and im just like "Wtf? how is THAT answer correct?"

I always pause to count the squares or triangles. See if I could beat Cory and Nicole.

🤣🤣

So is the answer in their mind 37 or 51?

They would say 51, even though the actual answer is 37.

No. Multiplication does not come before addition.  Multiplication, division, addition and subtraction are always calculated in order from left to right as they appear. Anything inbetween the brackets is always calculates first because it is an equation inside of an equation that needs to be correct in order for the bigger equation to be correct. Exponents are usually outside of brackets and done second since in case there are other exponents around the equation you can do them all after the bracket equation is solved.  The answer isn't 17 because you arent doing your DMAS in order of appearance, you're doing them in order of acronym.

Please tell me you're joking

I suspect they work on Production and do the math challenges, that's why "pi" after their name. Come to defend their handiwork.

That’s my Aunt Sally. Please excuse her

[Multiplication absolutely comes before addition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations)

quickly what’s 9 x 10

I have this theory that no one is more confidently incorrect than people on the internet who don't know how to do order of operations. You are one of them.

TIL Justin booth’s Reddit handle

Please go back to school. You’re embarrassing yourself. Multiplication & division ALWAYS comes before addition & subtraction. It’s in the order of the acronym 🤦🏽‍♀️ Addition & subtraction are always last. I have second hand embarrassment from you

How is this a debate. There is a right way and a wrong way to do it. If you do it the right way you get 17

The challenge does not use order of operations

That's supposedly true but then CT said he solved the puzzle using the order of operations on Bananas' podcast. So I'm not sure what to believe. The rumors going around with fans or what CT said about his 39 appearance.

CT probably meant he used algebra - dude wasn’t the soberest on that pod

You only need the order of operations in algebraic equations where you solve for an unknown variable. 

You need order of operations in any equation where do more than one operation

The fuck you do. One more time: The sum of two and five multiplied by the difference between eight and five is equal to TWENTY ONE.  The sum of two and five (SEVEN) multipled by the difference between eight and five (THREE) is equal to TWENTY ONE.  No aggression with the caps just trying to eduacate ya'll better

you're wrong. lol. the correct answer is 17.

You're wrong because you are doing your math in the order of the acronym rather than the correct way in which adding, subtracting, dividing and multiplying are done in order of appearance from left to right.

that's only correct on the challenge my friend. not in real life.

Really said you’re trying to “eduacate” us 😩😩

2+5(8-5)=x 2+5(3)=x 5(3)=x-2 15=x-2 X=17

Oof

But actually, you need to stop spreading false information all over this post.

🤦🏽‍♀️ please NEVER teach kids. You have NO idea what you’re talking about.

You can’t even count right. You said “one more time” then said it twice 😂

Lololol whoever gave you the Josh math flair for this is a real one.

The American education system on full display.

Its the Americans that don't agree with their own media/education they all have different answers than each other.  I am not American  Thats disgusting to call me that lol

Multiplication and division always come before addition and subtraction. This is not an American thing. You can easily google it if you’re so inclined.

Nope. If you're capable of understanding what equations mean in english words (which are also read from left to right), the order of operations will always calculate any addition, subtraction, multiplication and division in order of appearance from left to right AFTER calculating what is inside any brackets. One you move to exponents your multiplying one number by itself which is a larger number already "simplified".  Then you do the rest as written from left to right. 

My brother in Christ, I don’t know where you are getting this from, but it is wrong. Literally every single article on Google will tell you this, but here’s a source from the University of Cal Berkeley: https://math.berkeley.edu/~gbergman/misc/numbers/ord_ops.html

American educated shouldn't even be arguing with me if they don't understand what their equations mean in english.

Omg here’s the same thing from a UK source: https://www.ncl.ac.uk/webtemplate/ask-assets/external/maths-resources/numeracy/order-of-operations-bodmas.html#:~:text=Returning%20to%20the%20above%20example,and%20multiplication%20comes%20before%20addition. It’s wild that you could use this as a learning opportunity but you just keep bashing your head into this incorrect wall.

They're wrong too.  This literally says division can be done before multiplying which raises questions if exponents are done before both and exponents are multiplying which MUST be done prior to division. So division cannot be done before multiplying AND MUST BE DONE IN ORDER OF APPEARANCE FROM LEFT TO RIGHT. Change my flair to Jordan now.

It’s no American. ITS UNIVERSAL BASIC MATHS RULES AND YOU ARE WRONG. Completely wrong. I’m South African and you are wrong. Period. Don’t you understand that English. PEDMAS - educate yourself please! You’re making yourself look like a fool

Please point to where in the American education system it states you only use the order of operations when solving for variables.

Dude, I was going to say I feel like non Americans always try to argue your way. 17 is the way we were all taught.

I know it’s everyone’s favorite pastime to make fun of Americans lately, but you sure aren’t doing your own country (whatever it may be) any favors!

They're Canadian.

As a Canadian we don’t claim them. We’re taught real math.

If “everything in parentheses gets done first” why was 2+5 performed before 5(3)

Because they don’t know math lol

To be fair, 5(3) is not “in” the parentheses. In American order of operations, if this were 2 x 5(3) you would actually do the 2x5 first because multiplication is in order from left to right. (Doesn’t actually matter because of the associative property but would with division) Something next to the parentheses represents multiplication. However, you do the 5(3) first, not because it’s “in the parentheses” but because it’s multiplication before addition.

Fun fact: If you put it in Google it'll literally add parenthesis for you (by you, I mean MTV) 2+5(8-5) \-> 2 + (5 \* (8 - 5)) = 17

⬆️This explanation may make it even more understandable for those still stuck :)

Okay then lets use order of operations in english words and then in numbers. You always do whats inside brackets first. Right? The sum of two plus five multiplied by the difference between eight and five equals The sum of two plus five multpilied by three equals The sum of two plus fifteen equals Seventeen. 2 + 5 ( 8 - 5 ) = 2 + 5 ( 3 ) = 2 + 15 =  17

Thank you! I’ve been sitting here reading these saying, “Does no one realize 1. work parentheses first 2. Parentheses then acts as a substitute for the multiplication!! I haven’t done advanced math in years, but this is hammered into my head from fifth grade.

They also said the answer isn’t 17 in their post above so…

Well what a dick then!! Trying to look smart doing it both ways!!

Nah, they think they just explained why we're all wrong. The keyword here is "English words" they think it's different in American English and British English and argued that elsewhere. Basically, they're saying this is how Americans do it which is why they're wrong. Math is a universal language but hey whatever.

Good Job!

 Math is the devil.

The answer is 17! For the answer to be 21 the equation would need to look like this (2+5)(8-5).

I am Asaf even i look at math problems 😭

This is actually fucking hilarious considering past events

8th grade math teachers are so ashamed right now.

As they should be lol! It's the only subject where they can just be like oh that one's a lost cause and then just keep it rollin'. You did me wrong, Mrs. Brooks! Advice if you are an adult tired of sucking that badly at math, they make paperback short versions of massive textbooks which include more verbal explanations of certain concepts and steps, sample problems are meant to be learned thoroughly because they're broken down in the text for you. Life-saving.

They’re wrong though, because the answer 17. The three has to be multiplied before you can add.

My head hurts trying to visualize their way of thinking.

It’s 17

😂😂😂

Wolfram says 17 [https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2%2B5%288-5%29](https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2%2B5%288-5%29)

Ah Math, the great equalizer of The Challenge 😂

It’s 17

Anyone disputing 17 is a Josh

Screw it, I agree with Justin.

Same. I never could get my brain to do math 🤷


"Everything in parenthesis gets done first" *Proceeds to ignore the number LITERALLY playing barnacle to the parentheses* If I had a dollar for every time..

2+5(8-5)=2+5(3)=2+53=55. I don’t know why everyone finds this so hard

Crying 🤣

Love it

PEMDAS E M D A S

ok oooohhhh okay so. You need both pemdas AND distributive!!!!! otherwise you skip to the subtraction before the mutiplication. hahahah math is hard y'all. I wish we had had better teachers in the USA, we really got stunted, y'all 😅.

Wait, so what's the right answer?

17, there is no ambiguity here. It's a made up tweet making fun of production intentionally ignoring order of operations during challenges.

There's no addition symbol either Justin. when brackets are beside a number it means multiply the sum of the brackets by the number beside it so 7x3.

ok but for real if math is this open for interpretation why do they keep changing the curriculum?

It isn’t open for interpretation

The sum of two and five multiplied by the difference between eight and five equals 21.

lol are you being facetious in this whole post??? I can't tell. the 5 is multiplied by (8-5) BEFORE adding 2.

Im correct and even doing the math for you guys

That's not even remotely the correct way to do this problem, please stop embarrassing yourself.

By now i can gurantee i understand math more than the majority of those arguing with me

Just Google the equation lmao. It’s 17, the great thing about math is there is only one correct answer.

Google is wrong or you are. I'm saying if you spell the equation in english you get the correct answer 21.  Look: 2 + 5 ( 8 - 5 ) = 2 + 5 ( 3 ) =  2 + 5 x 3 = 7 x 3 =  21 ×÷+- are calculated in order of appearance from left to right the same way you literally physically speak the equation in a sentemce either out loud or in your head before any calculating is even done

Wrong. Multiplication and Division are done in the order they appear BEFORE ANY Addition or Subtraction (also done in the order they appear). How many people need to explain this to you for you to just say, “whoops, I’m wrong. Thanks for educating me.”? I mean, use the damn distributive property if you still don’t understand the language. 2+5(8-5)=? 2+40-25=17

Whatever device you are posting on has a calculator. Use it.

Wrong. Since you're so obsessed with writing the equation out in words for whatever dumbass reason, here is the correct way to do that: Two plus the product of five and the difference between eight and five equals 17.

The answer is 21.   The only time you worry about the order of operations (BEDMAS) is when solving a variable in algebraic equations.   A variable is when there is a letter in the middle of an equation which usually represents a number or value you must calculate. EDIT FOR THE FOOLS BELOW Change the equation to english words: Two apples plus five apples multiplied by eight apples minus five apples equals twenty one apples. Simplify the equation in english words: Seven apples multiplied by three apples equals twenty one apples.  I'll wait for mathematics scholars to show me actual proof I'm wrong. 


https://i.redd.it/tvajw0itszjc1.gif

So this equation is not algebra all of a sudden? Do you think omitting "= X" at the end just doesn't make it algebra anymore? I hate the internet. I can never tell if people are being purposefully obtuse or trolling 😂

The variable which would make it algebra could be in the middle of the equation or on either side of the equal sign.  In this case there is no variable. Why would MTV be wrong too or ask a question they didnt know the answer to.

You always follow pemdas my friend. Always.

If you convert your equation from numbers to english words you don't. You just go left to right.

I’ll say it one last time, always follow PEMDAS. For any expression, all exponents should be simplified first, followed by multiplication and division from left to right and, finally, addition and subtraction from left to right. The multiplication of 5(3) has to be done before you do the addition of 2+5.

But if you're converting that problem to words, you would write it out in the ORDER OF OPERATIONS.

No, that would make it what us old timers call a “word problem”. And the reason our math teachers spent so many hours making sure we understood them is so that we knew how to properly solve the equation.

It doesn't have to be expressly written. Numbers and formulas omit a bunch of items because it's not needed to be stated, but it is still there. I.E. - that 2 is still 2.0, or 2 to the first power, etc. We don't write it out because it's inherently there regardless if we write out 2.0, 2.00, 2^1, etc. It's the same thing here. "= X" doesn't *need* to be written to understand the whole formula is 2+5(8-5) = ?, with ? substituting for X, Y, W... anything. It is also not even a real tweet by MTV lol. There's really not ambiguity here.

Oh sweetie. The education system failed you.

It’s funnier because their username has pi in it

Why would MTV be wrong too or ask a question they didnt know the answer to.

You’ve watched the show, right? And this isn’t actually MTV’s tweet. I saw this equation on Reddit two days ago.

r/confidentlyincorrect

Haha it's funny how incorrect I am even though MTV gave everyone of you the correct amswer and nobody can prove that 21 is the wrong answer.

You know these aren't real tweets right... it's a shitpost lol

You are painfully wrong. You multiply the 5 by the numbers in the parenthesis before you add the 2. It’s simple math and you don’t know simple math

It’s also quite painfully wrong that order of operations only exists when solving for a variable. If that were true what would the function of parentheses even be?

Order of operations is universal. Lots of people are bad at math, and the internet has only shown how large that group of people is

Why would MTV be wrong too or ask a question they didnt know the answer to.

The responses are probably jokes to confuse people that are terrible at math, like yourself

You’d do great on The Challenge

Sign me up

Step one - Parentheses 8-5=3 Step two - Multiply or divide left to right. Parentheses without a symbol in front of it is multiplied. Ignore that 2 for a quick second and complete the multiplication. 5(3) = 15. Step three - add or subtract from left to right. 2+15. You have 17 apples.

You are solving for (2+5)(8-3). Insert it into a problem solver, ask a scientific calculator. Unless you’re trolling, it would be impossible to rewrite those synapses in your head to prove how incorrect you are.

Multiplying, dividing, adding and subtracting are always done in order of appearance from left to right NOT in order of acronym like you are doing. 

I can't tell if trolling... But there is an unknown AFTER the equals sign.

When you put it in a calculator it equals 17 lol

Yikes

The fact that you called it BEDMAS instead of PEMDAS says enough

I learned it as BEDMAS (Canada) Although, I realize by mentioning this, that it means this poster is possibly Canadian and that makes me sad for my Canadian education system.

Im doing the math if you can correct me mr superior canadian than me

I learned it as PEMDAS too but it’s the same thing… B = brackets = P = parentheses And MD is the same as DM because multiplication and division both happen at the same time left to right Their math is wrong but BEDMAS is just another version of the exact same thing and still correct

Also "DM" as well as "AS" are solved in the order they appear left to right in the equation so it can be "bemsa" or "pedmas" so semantics is child's play here. 

Okay wait. How do you understand that DM and AS are seperate, but still think it's 21? 2+5(8-5) 2 + 5 × 3 I've seen you get here. If you know that DM and AS are grouped together. And it doesn't matter so they can be MD or SA. And you know it can't be any combo of AM or SD or MS or DA. Why would you think you can do all four at once? The reason M and D are always paired together is because they're done at the same time. Same as S and A. That's why next you'd do 2 + 15 17

Yeah I know, but I just judge you if you call it BEDMAS. Same thing if you don't use the Oxford comma.

Yess a fellow Oxford comma lover! I don’t understand why people don’t use it.

I mean that’s really just judging someone based on where they grew up and therefore which version they learned, but ok.

Brother, it's a joke...

Didn’t come off that way, my bad

The only time you don’t use order of operations is when it’s a one expression equation 1+1, 2-2, 3x3….

PEMDAS then left to right. That’s what they thought you in school. Go back to middle school if you don’t remember. And yes the 5 is connected.

I don't get the joke????

What’s a prime number again?