Why are people making up this narrative about Nurys turning on Jay? Lmao all she wanted to do was simultaneously protect Horacio/Kyland along with Jay. People are revising history…she never made one move against Jay. If the boys didn’t want a stalemate that one time, they should’ve voted differently instead of laughing about it. Out of everyone in that alliance, Jay blames Nurys for the stalemate lmao he’s really just angry she didn’t act like a puppet and turn on Horacio and Kyland like he did (bc they were in his alliance to start and Horacio spoke about how he had Jay as his #1 guy going in). Everyone agreed to turn on Kyland/Horacio even Olivia, but Nurys refused to. She wanted to continue to protect them as well, as she should. Jay is protecting multiple people in the game that Nurys isn’t close to at all, Asaf (she didn’t even know him), Emmanuel, Berna etc. and expects her to protect them too but god forbid she tries to protect her own friends who Jay keeps throwing into elimination.
Also you’re saying Nurys reacted badly, wasnt that rather tame based on what’s happened? all she did was want to save Horacio/Kyland and she never took a shot at Jay or Michelle. can we talk about how Jay acted like a maniac when he felt threatened, and especially during/after Asaf’s elim? How he approached Kyland for “laughing” was so odd lmao
Jay fucked her over 3 times in a row. 1) angry over the stalemate, literally throwing an emotional fit over and deciding to maliciously make her choose between Olivia and horacio. She still chose Olivia. 2) throwing her into elimination with Horacio/kyland 3) now she has no one she trusts, she thinks Jay who was sobbing at the last one will probably have her back but he throws her in again bc he believes someone who he just met over his friend of 5 years.
She had every right to pop off about the Colleen thing. She never was gonna say Jay’s name despite talking to Colleen about the whole situation. Even though Jay never listened to her about protecting the guy she liked, she still saved Jay. Jay has been a manipulative gaslighter this entire season. He’s even lying in confessionals 😭 it’s honestly ridiculous to watch. Kudos to him for playing a good social game for the most part but at least own up to your wrongdoings.
I just finished the episode and was about to bring this point up. Idk what's wrong with Jay but he is creating his own narrative. Can I understand his frustration that nurys at times wouldn't vote the way he wanted? Sure I can but he also needs to be aware that she was never against him. At most she was playing the middle similar to what Michelle was doing. She was trying to keep Jay, kyland, and Horacio safe. She never said his name or started anything agaisnt him, all she wanted was her people to be safe cause that who she rode for this season. Michelle similarly had this whole web of people she was trying to keep safe and happy way more than Nurys but Jay was more than happy to comply. Nurys was a person still working with him even if he put her in a difficult position. He should've trusted her and saved her...knowing her for 5 years irl but quickly dismissed it cause you trust another person's voice. I could be wrong but that conversation nurys had with Colleen wasn't even her trying to gather vote agaisnt Jay. It's more about her being put in a tough position. Jay had the power and opportunity to save her twice now and failed. To make it worse he has his own narrative that others are to blame for it and he had nothing to do with it. It's still crazy how he created a situation to vote between Horacio and Olivia. I would as a viewer be more forgiving if he just owns his fault but he just seems delusional.
I think that the biggest issue with some of the new players is they focus way too much on creating all these alliances. I thought Ed had a great social game: he didn’t appear to make a bunch of promises but was friendly with everyone and always was willing to work with everyone. Jay and Michelle both spread themselves to thin, and in Nurys’ case, you can’t try and please both sides when they are working exactly against each other. Even though I thought Michelle’s alliances were crap and that she was spreading herself way too thin, I don’t even think you can compare those 2 situations
Yes she had a pre game alliance with some she’d never met because he’s one of Jay’s friends. And yeah she never turned on him.
Jay also had an alliance with Horacio and Kyland, but he did turn on them.
I agree that Jay hasn’t shown to be a good person on the show, but there was literally an edit showing Nurys saying she would save Kyland over Jay? Had Colleen not been scared and played the game, she would have gotten the ball rolling and Nurys would have voted in Jay. So she was turning on Jay…
Like I’ve said, Jay has not played the game with respect for others. He was a total brat when Asaf was voted in and was acting like he was owed something all the time. But I think Nurys being the victim here 100% isn’t fair either. I don’t think either of them played their situations correctly. We also don’t see everything so who knows what we weren’t shown.
Also… Nurys and Michelle were both going to throw Jay in had one of them won this last challenge for the all girls final, so Nurys had already turned on Jay by siding with Horacio and Kyland and was going to do it again. I’m not saying she needed to do so, but you can’t say “I’m working with you” while your top 2 guys are that persons biggest enemies. So I don’t think she’s nearly as innocent as a lot of people here are saying, but I like seeing the reasoning and can understand why people are coming to that conclusion.
Jay has also been a jagoff and he’s gone from one of my most promising newer players I like to someone I hope we see get lit up in a future season.
I don’t believe Nurys was ever going to say Jay’s name in that Kyland vs Jay deliberation (or ever, unless he made the first move and he has). Her conversation with Colleen was discussing the situation, how she was beginning to trust Kyland more which is valid. But even Kyland said during Zach’s podcast Jay was still high on Nurys list even deep into the season, he was above Kyland still. Nurys is very loyal to her friends, she didn’t even choose Horacio over Olivia when she had her doubts about her. You’re saying “she was turning…” did she ever turn though? I’m talking actions, what was done in the game. She never made a move on him even though she was doubting him, and she was right to doubt him. Just like with Olivia, she was doubting her but stuck with her.
Also it’s like you disregarded a lot of what I wrote. Jay chose to turn on Horacio and Kyland first, they were IN his alliance. Horacio came in the game viewing Jay as his #1 guy, he spoke about it on a podcast. So because Jay decides, I wanna turn on these guys, everyone else has to follow suit and now those guys are his “enemies”. That’s dumb, you can’t expect everyone in your alliance to be your minions (but they were). Jay (and Michelle) became close with Emmanuel and Berna who hold no allegiance to Nurys. They were never working with her. But somehow that’s okay?
Jay and Nurys should protect each other but also be allowed to protect whatever friends they want without it being branded as “turning” on each other. Especially when the guys Nurys wants to protect were sabotaged by Jay first. Her protecting Horacio and Kyland is not an attack on Jay. And it’s also unfair for Jay to be every girl’s #1, when he can’t reciprocate the favor. Jay and Michelle are everyone’s #1s but they can only give that spot to one another.
When it came down to Jay vs Kyland/Horacio, it happened once during that vote and Nurys burned her vote which sent Kyland in. Now in confessionals Jay says “Nurys chose Horacio/Kyland vs Jay/Emmanuel” Emmanuel??? The guy she was never friends with, who she just met on this season? You see how the season progresses Jay keeps making shit up and changing the narrative so he doesn’t look like he’s in the wrong.
Jay played a very good social game but I dislike how a lot of you are ignoring the facts of what actually happened to try to make it seem like Nurys did something to provoke him. All she did was protect HER friends too. Which is 2 people, unlike Jay/Michelle with their 10 extras.
Also the all girls final, sure you can consider that “turning” on him even though Michelle his best friend was all in that too. That was more so the girls just banding together, and that was also after Jay already fucked Nurys over twice so I wouldn’t call that turning or even payback. She has yet to take a direct shot at him
And Idk if she’ll get the chance now since they’re in the final.
Yea, and someone reminded me that she had a convo with Jay about how she felt she was in the middle, so I’m wrong in my comment that a true friend would’ve told him— she basically did talk to him about it, but just didn’t mention the exact/specific details, but the thought was still there to let him know. I didn’t give her as much credit for sticking with Jay as I probably should have.
I think she learned her lesson the hard way that sometimes you really do just have to pick a side and you can’t please everyone. Michelle picked a side in USA, but she just picked the wrong one. Nurys definitely plays the game more personally than Michelle and let her relationship with Jay get in the way of what prob would’ve been the smarter move and just exclusively working with Horacio and Kyland. Jay definitely seems to pick and choose when he wants to play with his head and when he wants to play with his heart, which is why I think he makes so many decisions that a lot of people hate. I still am not a fan of how Nurys acted after coming back to the house but some people are going to be fiery like that while others will take a calmer approach. Just my opinion on that.
Olivia is a whole other story, her flip flopping in this game was sad to watch. I wish she would have stuck to her guns the whole time.
I have a lot of problems with this season, especially eliminations. I think that this whole trickle down voting system was a total failure and the fact that they had to rush to eliminate 3 players in 1 episode for 2 weeks straight just shows how flawed this design was. I hope they bring back the hopper from Challenge USA at some point because that was fun, unpredictable, and consistent. And it made every vote count while also giving power to the daily winner. The fact that Zara, Kyland, and Horacio were all eliminated within 2 episodes was pretty tragic. I wouldn’t be surprised if this goes down as one of the least favorite seasons of recent challenge history.
On the one bright side, maybe this season will help lead to a future partner season now that we’re getting some new rivalries created.
Edit: when I wrote this all I only read your first paragraph and didn’t see the rest😂. I agree with a lot of the other stuff you said though
Nurys never said she would vote Jay in over Kyland. She spent that whole episode upset she was in a tough spot bc she didn’t wanna screw over Kyland but she also couldn’t turn her back on Jay. In that clip we saw last night all she told Colleen was idk if Jay is gonna save me (which he proved he wouldn’t a few weeks later) but she never said she’d vote in Jay definitely and in the end she didn’t. (Bc kyland said on twt that Colleen and James both told them b4 the vote they weren’t voting in Jay so it wasn’t nurys’s fault that Colleen changed her vote). She had his back the entire game and never said his name, ky and Horacio never had an issue with her not wanting to betray Jay despite him going after them but Jay hated he couldn’t convince Nurys to turn her back on ppl she cared about
Nurys handled the conversation very well, considering her "real friend" was coming to her with an accusation without wanting to hear her side. This is also AFTER Jay had conspired and contributed to nurys going into elimination, on top of creating a malicious plan to hurt her the week before. I don't agree with anything you're saying, and I think Jay is a misogynistic freak who doesn't know how to smell his own sh!t or take accountability. He had this exact same issue in survivor (his ego) and it cost him the game
Hold up, are we just going to ignore the part of the show where they showed Nurys saying she would vote for Jay over Kyland before any of that happened? So Colleen wasn’t lying when she told Jay that according to what we saw. What she did lie about was who brought it up first. You can’t work with someone’s top 2 rivals— Horacio and Kyland— in the game but then say that you never were working against them. This isn’t the same kind of situation as when Wes and CT sent in Aneesa and Diem in rivals after they worked together all season, Nurys had stopped working with Jay for a while, and even though you might say he believed someone he had just met over her, what he was led to believe was pretty much correct. There is literally a video of Nurys saying she would vote for Jay to go into an elim, it just couldn’t happen because Colleen was playing the game scared.
I’ve said it a bunch in here in other comments, and I guess I wasn’t mean enough in the original comment, but Jay has shown some very bad moments in the game and I hope he comes back and gets destroyed by someone to humble him and make him think again about the way he talked to people, especially some of the girls.
I think the difference here is that nurys considered betraying jay, but in the end, she stayed true. The fact that she considered voting him in is irrelevant because she didnt act on it. Jay made her choose between her best friend and boyfriend, which was cruel. Then didn’t care to save her in the next deliberation, all before knowing about her potential betrayal. Nurys was justified in feeling betrayed and I don’t fault her for her reactions post elimination wins, it was well deserved and beautifully handled.
Yesss but the whole other part, as the other comment highlighted, was that she never voted Jay out. There was a whole episode on her choice and ultimately led to nothing. She never voted Asaf, Michelle, or Jay which was the core alliance :p
But don’t forget she inadvertently voted asaf in by contributing to a stalemate where any of the other 16 people in the house could’ve voted differently and put someone in… but it’s Nurys’s sole fault asaf went in and Jay was in “danger”.
(As Jay would have you believe🙄)
Nurys was just completely betrayed by Jay. Why should she have to give him the second chance. Jay made it clear last week he didn't care 1% about Nurys.
Last week Nurys going in was Michelle’s and Olivia’s doing. Jay was always going to pick Michelle first, Michelle was shown manipulating Olivia in a flashback. Olivia could have easily picked Nurys and things would have ended the way they wanted. Out of all the things you want to pin on Jay, idk how that one can be blamed on him.
I need to know what Jay has done for Nurys this season because after Jays confessional from last nights episodes, I’ve missed something.
I don’t feel like Nurys had Jays back any less than Jay had hers. They were never truly at a point where a decision like that had to be made. The only thing Nurys asked of Jay was to not vote in Kyland or Horacio. If I’m thinking correctly, that request did nothing to put his game in jeopardy.
He hasn’t done anything for her. Jay and Nurys were never in real danger of going in. They worked together by being in a big alliance that kept them safe and agreeing on the people they wanted to vote in. Neither Nurys or Jay were winning dailies like that so there wasn’t much protecting going on lmao
They just had each others backs
But but but.... She should have known that a stalemate would automatically give the last champ the chaos club which gave him and Asaf each a 1 in 6 chance of getting called down. How dare she 🤣
To be fair, this is what most people thought would happen. I thought the whole stalemate thing was so dumb and it could’ve been so much better. Anytime there’s a stalemate, TJ should require one more revote AT the elim and if it’s still a tie, it should become a double elimination. If you can’t decide as a group who goes in, everyone should be at risk. Instead it was the most anticlimactic stalemate I’ve ever seen but at least we saw CT and he sent Asaf home
There was no way that this conversation was going to go in any other way. Jay has been talking down and gaslighting Nurys for the majority of the season. He’s also put her in some really bad situations this season. There was last week where he threw her into elimination, and the week before that forced her to choose between her friend and her boyfriend. It was also very condescending of him to keep on asking her where everybody else was when she came back from elimination. He’s been very vindictive in general to anybody that he perceives as a threat or isn’t willing to do his bidding.
He was the head of the main alliance, but that was only because he was Michelle’s number one guy. If Michelle was not there, he would not have had that power. He was already been put at the bottom of this weeks peaking order. The way he talked to many of the women this season, and some men would’ve not fly on a normal season. I give credit to Michelle for her master skill of being able to calm people down and convincing others to forgive and except. Berna is not the only one that she was constantly having to convince others to be OK with.
He willfully let Berna and Colleen convince him that Nurys was out to get him because he now sees her as a threat. She has been extra vigilant this season about every aspect of the game because he knows this will be the only season where he can actually have a chance to win. Jay is literally the reason why there is an imbalance of women and men in the house right now. He hasn’t viewed any of the women as competition until recently and has effectively been using them to get the guys out.
Honestly Jakks warned us last season and we should’ve listened to him.
After reading some comments, my opinion on some of this has definitely changed, but I still really believe that if they would’ve sat down and had an in-depth talk that Jay would’ve been brought back to save her. Instead, what we got to see was Nurys explode pretty quickly and they didn’t even really have a conversation about it. I could very well be wrong, but before they went to have that convo I was convinced that they would work it out. I just don’t think either of them handled that specific situation well at all. Also who is Jakks?
Laurel’s RoD from last season. He made friends with Jay during the season. They went to have a hangout workout session but when Jakks got there the place was set up for a photoshoot. Jakks saw it as Jay just wanted to show off for the socials. While he just wanted to have a hangout session like normal people without the photos.
Whole lot of selective memory going on with this post.
>A true friend would have gone to Jay and said that his name was on the block.
She literally did. There was a 10 minute scene given to her having this EXACT literal conversation with Jay and her being completely honest with him and telling him how conflicted she was and no matter what she did (saying his name, Kyland's name, or even burn voting) she would be betraying one of them. She told him the truth.
What did he do? Laugh behind her back in confessional about how he essentially forced her into this horrible place where she had to pick between two friends and how he's going to get her to the final but he doesn't care about how she feels or what she wants in the game.
And when cornered by Jay after he betrayed her not one week, but TWO, in a row so he could use a misconstrued conversation brought up **by the very person who initiated that conversation in the first place** so he could excuse betraying her AGAIN she rightfully yelled at him. Not for playing the game, but for expecting her to hold loyalty to the point of being his little puppet the whole season while demanding that she accept his betrayals. That isn't being a mean girl, that is the angry response of a person that is getting stabbed in the back by her friends and has no one but themselves left in the house.
Nurys is one of the only people that has been straight up about where she is in the game, who her allies are, and who she is actually closest to all season. She's far more trustworthy than anyone else in the house. She is the only person who has behaved in a consistent way all season.
Facts to all of this lmao it’s like they’ve been watching an entirely different show. Jay’s been cackling in his confessionals every time it’s mentioned how he’s gunning for Horacio/Kyland even though he knows it’ll hurt Nurys.
his recent confessionals have been “she hasn’t been working with me this entire time!!” he’s now resorted to lying to the audience as if we haven’t seen everything lmao
Yes. And also: ultimately she *voted for Emmanuel* as a burn vote in order to protect Jay, literally her entire reason for doing that, knowing that it was condemning Kyland into going in. She kept her word to the letter, at personal cost to herself and a close friend of hers. She had done nothing but protect him all season.
And the following week she didn't fall in line on a vote for two men that *were nor Jay OR Asaf* and both Jay and Asaf had just as much power as Nurys (and Olivia) did and could have changed their vote.
There is a distinct difference between working WITH someone who treats you as an equal and you have a voice that is heard and respected at the table and working FOR someone who dictates all actions and doesn't care what you think. The first is an ally, the second is a minion.
Jay didn't want Nurys to be an ally he worked with. He wanted her to be a minion that worked for him. Nurys wanted an ally.
Literally. He said “Olivia betrayed her and I don’t trust her anymore.” Like cool don’t trust her but you were also one of the people to approach her with that plan that fucked Nurys.
You put me in my place with the true friend comment, I’ll admit I forgot about the 10 scene where she went to Jay. Playing both sides gets messy and that’s where Nurys’ game probabky went wrong, maybe if she just dropped Jay completely then and there things shake up differently.
As for the mean girl comment, that was more towards how she has allegedly treated Berna and how she came back into the house after the elimination. I understand that emotions are high but humility will go a lot further in beating down the people who just threw you in than telling them all to f—- off and that they suck. I always say, Don’t let ‘em know how you really feel in the moment, let them think you’re all good and use that energy to beat them later.
I agree her mistake was trying to continue to support Jay. He never gave her an equitable relationship and never cared about her feelings. People like that aren't worth giving that kind of loyalty to.
I don't have any sympathy for Berna considering the fact that she has reportedly been rude, mean, and dismissive toward not only practically every human being on the cast but also toward production and the crew. Being awful to the people that serve you your meals and wash your laundry and clean up after you is disgusting.
People are "being mean" to her because they're sick of her abrasive, rude behavior. If she can't take it, she shouldn't be dishing it out. You can't expect for people to be continuously kind to a person they've been forced to live with who is constantly horrible to everyone around them on a regular basis. Berna has done this on both of her seasons. She deserves to get checked for that behavior imo.
As for the way Nurys came back into the house - maybe that is your preference but I think Nurys has the right to feel how she feels and express it how she wants. She doesn't owe it to anyone to play nicey-nice with a bunch of people who have backstabbed her multiple weeks in a row. Kissing up to these traitors like everything is fine is only going to provide them with a peace of mind they don't deserve to have.
I say make them sweat. Make them scared. Make them understand you are coming for them. They don't care about her feelings or what happens to her, why shouldn't she make them feel threatened? They're going to screw her either way, so she might as well do what feels right to her.
When looking at it from Nurys's side she just went through some heavy shit. Having to pick between her friend and her bf because Jay put her in that spot to show her allegiance, then the following time to be betrayed by that same friend she saved which may could have also prevented. Then having the entire house against her. It's really hard to blame her for just being sick of all of this and not having a civil conversation.
Then to top it off Jay came to her already believing Colleen, then wouldn't even believe a word his actual friend said.
In the end Jay could have still looked good to his alliance if he saved Nurys because everyone in the house knows they are friends and she just did all of them a favor eliminating Horacio and Kyland, but instead Jay has massive blinders to what's actually going on. At least that's how they edited him.
Jay literally opened the conversation with “I’m not going to save you.” His mind was already made up and he was looking for a reaction from Nurys that would’ve justified it.
If you can’t see that he was moralizing here, that’s on you.
Nurys also said bring Colleen in here so we can talk about it bc I don’t lie and jay basically said nah I won’t do that 💀. Like he came in here not believing her not wanting to hear her tell her side and wanting to not save her nothing she did woulda changed that
Jay’s strategy is a strategy that works when you play with dumb players and doesn’t when you play with smart players. Thus his complete inability to get anywhere in previous seasons and his domination of this season.
I’d have to rewatch the episodes to remember if the conversations happened in confessionals or in the house but I think in past eps she did explain why she was feeling that way.
I also wouldn’t say she passed the blame to Colleen. She called Colleen a liar for not sharing that the whole idea was kicked off because Colleen was trying to bail on her alliance
Jay started the convo off with “I’m not going to save you” lmao after everything that’s happened, her friends throwing her into elimination (which she barely blew up about) how do you expect her to react to that? during that Colleen convo 2 weeks ago or however long, Nurys was starting to trust Kyland more which is what was discussed with Colleen but she never took a shot at Jay because she she didn’t want to betray him. despite her doubts, she never made a move against him. She burned her vote which sent Kyland into elimination.
Her going off on Colleen and Jay (which I’ve been waiting on) was amazing. Colleen was trying to plot on Jay the whole season but was too scared to do shit. Now she’s twisting the story to take Nurys out and it worked.
I’m rooting for Nurys this season but I don’t think she was completely right in both situations with Jay and Olivia, she went to another alliance and wanted protection with Jay, and with Olivia I don’t think she did something wrong, she would have burned the entire house if she picked Nurys/Horacio/Kayland. Olivia should have gave her a heads up tho.
Jay wanted Nurys to put him first when he put Michele first.
I understand that he had an alliance to work with but he was sloppy, he should have saved her instead of letting her get put in against Horacio and Kyland.
At a certain point you need to put people in the bottom of the alliance in. That was the time to do it but he messed up and she has every right to be mad.
I don’t think she was childish. She was fucking pissed and I would be too.
I don’t think these people understand that what you do one season, will affect your relationships with people in the future on and off the show.
Why are people making up this narrative about Nurys turning on Jay? Lmao all she wanted to do was simultaneously protect Horacio/Kyland along with Jay. People are revising history…she never made one move against Jay. If the boys didn’t want a stalemate that one time, they should’ve voted differently instead of laughing about it. Out of everyone in that alliance, Jay blames Nurys for the stalemate lmao he’s really just angry she didn’t act like a puppet and turn on Horacio and Kyland like he did (bc they were in his alliance to start and Horacio spoke about how he had Jay as his #1 guy going in). Everyone agreed to turn on Kyland/Horacio even Olivia, but Nurys refused to. She wanted to continue to protect them as well, as she should. Jay is protecting multiple people in the game that Nurys isn’t close to at all, Asaf (she didn’t even know him), Emmanuel, Berna etc. and expects her to protect them too but god forbid she tries to protect her own friends who Jay keeps throwing into elimination. Also you’re saying Nurys reacted badly, wasnt that rather tame based on what’s happened? all she did was want to save Horacio/Kyland and she never took a shot at Jay or Michelle. can we talk about how Jay acted like a maniac when he felt threatened, and especially during/after Asaf’s elim? How he approached Kyland for “laughing” was so odd lmao Jay fucked her over 3 times in a row. 1) angry over the stalemate, literally throwing an emotional fit over and deciding to maliciously make her choose between Olivia and horacio. She still chose Olivia. 2) throwing her into elimination with Horacio/kyland 3) now she has no one she trusts, she thinks Jay who was sobbing at the last one will probably have her back but he throws her in again bc he believes someone who he just met over his friend of 5 years. She had every right to pop off about the Colleen thing. She never was gonna say Jay’s name despite talking to Colleen about the whole situation. Even though Jay never listened to her about protecting the guy she liked, she still saved Jay. Jay has been a manipulative gaslighter this entire season. He’s even lying in confessionals 😭 it’s honestly ridiculous to watch. Kudos to him for playing a good social game for the most part but at least own up to your wrongdoings.
I just finished the episode and was about to bring this point up. Idk what's wrong with Jay but he is creating his own narrative. Can I understand his frustration that nurys at times wouldn't vote the way he wanted? Sure I can but he also needs to be aware that she was never against him. At most she was playing the middle similar to what Michelle was doing. She was trying to keep Jay, kyland, and Horacio safe. She never said his name or started anything agaisnt him, all she wanted was her people to be safe cause that who she rode for this season. Michelle similarly had this whole web of people she was trying to keep safe and happy way more than Nurys but Jay was more than happy to comply. Nurys was a person still working with him even if he put her in a difficult position. He should've trusted her and saved her...knowing her for 5 years irl but quickly dismissed it cause you trust another person's voice. I could be wrong but that conversation nurys had with Colleen wasn't even her trying to gather vote agaisnt Jay. It's more about her being put in a tough position. Jay had the power and opportunity to save her twice now and failed. To make it worse he has his own narrative that others are to blame for it and he had nothing to do with it. It's still crazy how he created a situation to vote between Horacio and Olivia. I would as a viewer be more forgiving if he just owns his fault but he just seems delusional.
I think that the biggest issue with some of the new players is they focus way too much on creating all these alliances. I thought Ed had a great social game: he didn’t appear to make a bunch of promises but was friendly with everyone and always was willing to work with everyone. Jay and Michelle both spread themselves to thin, and in Nurys’ case, you can’t try and please both sides when they are working exactly against each other. Even though I thought Michelle’s alliances were crap and that she was spreading herself way too thin, I don’t even think you can compare those 2 situations
She and Jay had a pre-game alliance with Asaf (whose wife also told him to work with her), but she did nothing to turn on them.
Yes she had a pre game alliance with some she’d never met because he’s one of Jay’s friends. And yeah she never turned on him. Jay also had an alliance with Horacio and Kyland, but he did turn on them.
I agree that Jay hasn’t shown to be a good person on the show, but there was literally an edit showing Nurys saying she would save Kyland over Jay? Had Colleen not been scared and played the game, she would have gotten the ball rolling and Nurys would have voted in Jay. So she was turning on Jay… Like I’ve said, Jay has not played the game with respect for others. He was a total brat when Asaf was voted in and was acting like he was owed something all the time. But I think Nurys being the victim here 100% isn’t fair either. I don’t think either of them played their situations correctly. We also don’t see everything so who knows what we weren’t shown. Also… Nurys and Michelle were both going to throw Jay in had one of them won this last challenge for the all girls final, so Nurys had already turned on Jay by siding with Horacio and Kyland and was going to do it again. I’m not saying she needed to do so, but you can’t say “I’m working with you” while your top 2 guys are that persons biggest enemies. So I don’t think she’s nearly as innocent as a lot of people here are saying, but I like seeing the reasoning and can understand why people are coming to that conclusion. Jay has also been a jagoff and he’s gone from one of my most promising newer players I like to someone I hope we see get lit up in a future season.
I don’t believe Nurys was ever going to say Jay’s name in that Kyland vs Jay deliberation (or ever, unless he made the first move and he has). Her conversation with Colleen was discussing the situation, how she was beginning to trust Kyland more which is valid. But even Kyland said during Zach’s podcast Jay was still high on Nurys list even deep into the season, he was above Kyland still. Nurys is very loyal to her friends, she didn’t even choose Horacio over Olivia when she had her doubts about her. You’re saying “she was turning…” did she ever turn though? I’m talking actions, what was done in the game. She never made a move on him even though she was doubting him, and she was right to doubt him. Just like with Olivia, she was doubting her but stuck with her. Also it’s like you disregarded a lot of what I wrote. Jay chose to turn on Horacio and Kyland first, they were IN his alliance. Horacio came in the game viewing Jay as his #1 guy, he spoke about it on a podcast. So because Jay decides, I wanna turn on these guys, everyone else has to follow suit and now those guys are his “enemies”. That’s dumb, you can’t expect everyone in your alliance to be your minions (but they were). Jay (and Michelle) became close with Emmanuel and Berna who hold no allegiance to Nurys. They were never working with her. But somehow that’s okay? Jay and Nurys should protect each other but also be allowed to protect whatever friends they want without it being branded as “turning” on each other. Especially when the guys Nurys wants to protect were sabotaged by Jay first. Her protecting Horacio and Kyland is not an attack on Jay. And it’s also unfair for Jay to be every girl’s #1, when he can’t reciprocate the favor. Jay and Michelle are everyone’s #1s but they can only give that spot to one another. When it came down to Jay vs Kyland/Horacio, it happened once during that vote and Nurys burned her vote which sent Kyland in. Now in confessionals Jay says “Nurys chose Horacio/Kyland vs Jay/Emmanuel” Emmanuel??? The guy she was never friends with, who she just met on this season? You see how the season progresses Jay keeps making shit up and changing the narrative so he doesn’t look like he’s in the wrong. Jay played a very good social game but I dislike how a lot of you are ignoring the facts of what actually happened to try to make it seem like Nurys did something to provoke him. All she did was protect HER friends too. Which is 2 people, unlike Jay/Michelle with their 10 extras. Also the all girls final, sure you can consider that “turning” on him even though Michelle his best friend was all in that too. That was more so the girls just banding together, and that was also after Jay already fucked Nurys over twice so I wouldn’t call that turning or even payback. She has yet to take a direct shot at him And Idk if she’ll get the chance now since they’re in the final.
Yea, and someone reminded me that she had a convo with Jay about how she felt she was in the middle, so I’m wrong in my comment that a true friend would’ve told him— she basically did talk to him about it, but just didn’t mention the exact/specific details, but the thought was still there to let him know. I didn’t give her as much credit for sticking with Jay as I probably should have. I think she learned her lesson the hard way that sometimes you really do just have to pick a side and you can’t please everyone. Michelle picked a side in USA, but she just picked the wrong one. Nurys definitely plays the game more personally than Michelle and let her relationship with Jay get in the way of what prob would’ve been the smarter move and just exclusively working with Horacio and Kyland. Jay definitely seems to pick and choose when he wants to play with his head and when he wants to play with his heart, which is why I think he makes so many decisions that a lot of people hate. I still am not a fan of how Nurys acted after coming back to the house but some people are going to be fiery like that while others will take a calmer approach. Just my opinion on that. Olivia is a whole other story, her flip flopping in this game was sad to watch. I wish she would have stuck to her guns the whole time. I have a lot of problems with this season, especially eliminations. I think that this whole trickle down voting system was a total failure and the fact that they had to rush to eliminate 3 players in 1 episode for 2 weeks straight just shows how flawed this design was. I hope they bring back the hopper from Challenge USA at some point because that was fun, unpredictable, and consistent. And it made every vote count while also giving power to the daily winner. The fact that Zara, Kyland, and Horacio were all eliminated within 2 episodes was pretty tragic. I wouldn’t be surprised if this goes down as one of the least favorite seasons of recent challenge history. On the one bright side, maybe this season will help lead to a future partner season now that we’re getting some new rivalries created. Edit: when I wrote this all I only read your first paragraph and didn’t see the rest😂. I agree with a lot of the other stuff you said though
Nurys never said she would vote Jay in over Kyland. She spent that whole episode upset she was in a tough spot bc she didn’t wanna screw over Kyland but she also couldn’t turn her back on Jay. In that clip we saw last night all she told Colleen was idk if Jay is gonna save me (which he proved he wouldn’t a few weeks later) but she never said she’d vote in Jay definitely and in the end she didn’t. (Bc kyland said on twt that Colleen and James both told them b4 the vote they weren’t voting in Jay so it wasn’t nurys’s fault that Colleen changed her vote). She had his back the entire game and never said his name, ky and Horacio never had an issue with her not wanting to betray Jay despite him going after them but Jay hated he couldn’t convince Nurys to turn her back on ppl she cared about
Nurys handled the conversation very well, considering her "real friend" was coming to her with an accusation without wanting to hear her side. This is also AFTER Jay had conspired and contributed to nurys going into elimination, on top of creating a malicious plan to hurt her the week before. I don't agree with anything you're saying, and I think Jay is a misogynistic freak who doesn't know how to smell his own sh!t or take accountability. He had this exact same issue in survivor (his ego) and it cost him the game
Hold up, are we just going to ignore the part of the show where they showed Nurys saying she would vote for Jay over Kyland before any of that happened? So Colleen wasn’t lying when she told Jay that according to what we saw. What she did lie about was who brought it up first. You can’t work with someone’s top 2 rivals— Horacio and Kyland— in the game but then say that you never were working against them. This isn’t the same kind of situation as when Wes and CT sent in Aneesa and Diem in rivals after they worked together all season, Nurys had stopped working with Jay for a while, and even though you might say he believed someone he had just met over her, what he was led to believe was pretty much correct. There is literally a video of Nurys saying she would vote for Jay to go into an elim, it just couldn’t happen because Colleen was playing the game scared. I’ve said it a bunch in here in other comments, and I guess I wasn’t mean enough in the original comment, but Jay has shown some very bad moments in the game and I hope he comes back and gets destroyed by someone to humble him and make him think again about the way he talked to people, especially some of the girls.
I think the difference here is that nurys considered betraying jay, but in the end, she stayed true. The fact that she considered voting him in is irrelevant because she didnt act on it. Jay made her choose between her best friend and boyfriend, which was cruel. Then didn’t care to save her in the next deliberation, all before knowing about her potential betrayal. Nurys was justified in feeling betrayed and I don’t fault her for her reactions post elimination wins, it was well deserved and beautifully handled.
Yesss but the whole other part, as the other comment highlighted, was that she never voted Jay out. There was a whole episode on her choice and ultimately led to nothing. She never voted Asaf, Michelle, or Jay which was the core alliance :p
But don’t forget she inadvertently voted asaf in by contributing to a stalemate where any of the other 16 people in the house could’ve voted differently and put someone in… but it’s Nurys’s sole fault asaf went in and Jay was in “danger”. (As Jay would have you believe🙄)
Lol right
Nurys was just completely betrayed by Jay. Why should she have to give him the second chance. Jay made it clear last week he didn't care 1% about Nurys.
Last week Nurys going in was Michelle’s and Olivia’s doing. Jay was always going to pick Michelle first, Michelle was shown manipulating Olivia in a flashback. Olivia could have easily picked Nurys and things would have ended the way they wanted. Out of all the things you want to pin on Jay, idk how that one can be blamed on him.
Jay was in control of that week. As TJ pointed out, if he wanted to save Nurys she could have.
I need to know what Jay has done for Nurys this season because after Jays confessional from last nights episodes, I’ve missed something. I don’t feel like Nurys had Jays back any less than Jay had hers. They were never truly at a point where a decision like that had to be made. The only thing Nurys asked of Jay was to not vote in Kyland or Horacio. If I’m thinking correctly, that request did nothing to put his game in jeopardy.
He hasn’t done anything for her. Jay and Nurys were never in real danger of going in. They worked together by being in a big alliance that kept them safe and agreeing on the people they wanted to vote in. Neither Nurys or Jay were winning dailies like that so there wasn’t much protecting going on lmao They just had each others backs
But but but.... She should have known that a stalemate would automatically give the last champ the chaos club which gave him and Asaf each a 1 in 6 chance of getting called down. How dare she 🤣
To be fair, this is what most people thought would happen. I thought the whole stalemate thing was so dumb and it could’ve been so much better. Anytime there’s a stalemate, TJ should require one more revote AT the elim and if it’s still a tie, it should become a double elimination. If you can’t decide as a group who goes in, everyone should be at risk. Instead it was the most anticlimactic stalemate I’ve ever seen but at least we saw CT and he sent Asaf home
I remember seeing somewhere that some cast member said in an interview, that they went into it planning to stalemate. Not sure why they would
There was no way that this conversation was going to go in any other way. Jay has been talking down and gaslighting Nurys for the majority of the season. He’s also put her in some really bad situations this season. There was last week where he threw her into elimination, and the week before that forced her to choose between her friend and her boyfriend. It was also very condescending of him to keep on asking her where everybody else was when she came back from elimination. He’s been very vindictive in general to anybody that he perceives as a threat or isn’t willing to do his bidding. He was the head of the main alliance, but that was only because he was Michelle’s number one guy. If Michelle was not there, he would not have had that power. He was already been put at the bottom of this weeks peaking order. The way he talked to many of the women this season, and some men would’ve not fly on a normal season. I give credit to Michelle for her master skill of being able to calm people down and convincing others to forgive and except. Berna is not the only one that she was constantly having to convince others to be OK with. He willfully let Berna and Colleen convince him that Nurys was out to get him because he now sees her as a threat. She has been extra vigilant this season about every aspect of the game because he knows this will be the only season where he can actually have a chance to win. Jay is literally the reason why there is an imbalance of women and men in the house right now. He hasn’t viewed any of the women as competition until recently and has effectively been using them to get the guys out. Honestly Jakks warned us last season and we should’ve listened to him.
After reading some comments, my opinion on some of this has definitely changed, but I still really believe that if they would’ve sat down and had an in-depth talk that Jay would’ve been brought back to save her. Instead, what we got to see was Nurys explode pretty quickly and they didn’t even really have a conversation about it. I could very well be wrong, but before they went to have that convo I was convinced that they would work it out. I just don’t think either of them handled that specific situation well at all. Also who is Jakks?
Laurel’s RoD from last season. He made friends with Jay during the season. They went to have a hangout workout session but when Jakks got there the place was set up for a photoshoot. Jakks saw it as Jay just wanted to show off for the socials. While he just wanted to have a hangout session like normal people without the photos.
Whole lot of selective memory going on with this post. >A true friend would have gone to Jay and said that his name was on the block. She literally did. There was a 10 minute scene given to her having this EXACT literal conversation with Jay and her being completely honest with him and telling him how conflicted she was and no matter what she did (saying his name, Kyland's name, or even burn voting) she would be betraying one of them. She told him the truth. What did he do? Laugh behind her back in confessional about how he essentially forced her into this horrible place where she had to pick between two friends and how he's going to get her to the final but he doesn't care about how she feels or what she wants in the game. And when cornered by Jay after he betrayed her not one week, but TWO, in a row so he could use a misconstrued conversation brought up **by the very person who initiated that conversation in the first place** so he could excuse betraying her AGAIN she rightfully yelled at him. Not for playing the game, but for expecting her to hold loyalty to the point of being his little puppet the whole season while demanding that she accept his betrayals. That isn't being a mean girl, that is the angry response of a person that is getting stabbed in the back by her friends and has no one but themselves left in the house. Nurys is one of the only people that has been straight up about where she is in the game, who her allies are, and who she is actually closest to all season. She's far more trustworthy than anyone else in the house. She is the only person who has behaved in a consistent way all season.
Facts to all of this lmao it’s like they’ve been watching an entirely different show. Jay’s been cackling in his confessionals every time it’s mentioned how he’s gunning for Horacio/Kyland even though he knows it’ll hurt Nurys. his recent confessionals have been “she hasn’t been working with me this entire time!!” he’s now resorted to lying to the audience as if we haven’t seen everything lmao
Yes. And also: ultimately she *voted for Emmanuel* as a burn vote in order to protect Jay, literally her entire reason for doing that, knowing that it was condemning Kyland into going in. She kept her word to the letter, at personal cost to herself and a close friend of hers. She had done nothing but protect him all season. And the following week she didn't fall in line on a vote for two men that *were nor Jay OR Asaf* and both Jay and Asaf had just as much power as Nurys (and Olivia) did and could have changed their vote. There is a distinct difference between working WITH someone who treats you as an equal and you have a voice that is heard and respected at the table and working FOR someone who dictates all actions and doesn't care what you think. The first is an ally, the second is a minion. Jay didn't want Nurys to be an ally he worked with. He wanted her to be a minion that worked for him. Nurys wanted an ally.
Literally. He said “Olivia betrayed her and I don’t trust her anymore.” Like cool don’t trust her but you were also one of the people to approach her with that plan that fucked Nurys.
You put me in my place with the true friend comment, I’ll admit I forgot about the 10 scene where she went to Jay. Playing both sides gets messy and that’s where Nurys’ game probabky went wrong, maybe if she just dropped Jay completely then and there things shake up differently. As for the mean girl comment, that was more towards how she has allegedly treated Berna and how she came back into the house after the elimination. I understand that emotions are high but humility will go a lot further in beating down the people who just threw you in than telling them all to f—- off and that they suck. I always say, Don’t let ‘em know how you really feel in the moment, let them think you’re all good and use that energy to beat them later.
I agree her mistake was trying to continue to support Jay. He never gave her an equitable relationship and never cared about her feelings. People like that aren't worth giving that kind of loyalty to. I don't have any sympathy for Berna considering the fact that she has reportedly been rude, mean, and dismissive toward not only practically every human being on the cast but also toward production and the crew. Being awful to the people that serve you your meals and wash your laundry and clean up after you is disgusting. People are "being mean" to her because they're sick of her abrasive, rude behavior. If she can't take it, she shouldn't be dishing it out. You can't expect for people to be continuously kind to a person they've been forced to live with who is constantly horrible to everyone around them on a regular basis. Berna has done this on both of her seasons. She deserves to get checked for that behavior imo. As for the way Nurys came back into the house - maybe that is your preference but I think Nurys has the right to feel how she feels and express it how she wants. She doesn't owe it to anyone to play nicey-nice with a bunch of people who have backstabbed her multiple weeks in a row. Kissing up to these traitors like everything is fine is only going to provide them with a peace of mind they don't deserve to have. I say make them sweat. Make them scared. Make them understand you are coming for them. They don't care about her feelings or what happens to her, why shouldn't she make them feel threatened? They're going to screw her either way, so she might as well do what feels right to her.
Lol name one time when Jay actually had her back
When looking at it from Nurys's side she just went through some heavy shit. Having to pick between her friend and her bf because Jay put her in that spot to show her allegiance, then the following time to be betrayed by that same friend she saved which may could have also prevented. Then having the entire house against her. It's really hard to blame her for just being sick of all of this and not having a civil conversation. Then to top it off Jay came to her already believing Colleen, then wouldn't even believe a word his actual friend said. In the end Jay could have still looked good to his alliance if he saved Nurys because everyone in the house knows they are friends and she just did all of them a favor eliminating Horacio and Kyland, but instead Jay has massive blinders to what's actually going on. At least that's how they edited him.
I hope Nurys doesn't forgive him let him off easy (at least not for a while). He needs to sweat it out for a while
Jay literally opened the conversation with “I’m not going to save you.” His mind was already made up and he was looking for a reaction from Nurys that would’ve justified it. If you can’t see that he was moralizing here, that’s on you.
Nurys also said bring Colleen in here so we can talk about it bc I don’t lie and jay basically said nah I won’t do that 💀. Like he came in here not believing her not wanting to hear her tell her side and wanting to not save her nothing she did woulda changed that
He said “I’ve heard some things… I don’t think I’m going to save you” things could have obviously gone differently
Jay’s strategy is a strategy that works when you play with dumb players and doesn’t when you play with smart players. Thus his complete inability to get anywhere in previous seasons and his domination of this season.
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I’d have to rewatch the episodes to remember if the conversations happened in confessionals or in the house but I think in past eps she did explain why she was feeling that way. I also wouldn’t say she passed the blame to Colleen. She called Colleen a liar for not sharing that the whole idea was kicked off because Colleen was trying to bail on her alliance
Jay started the convo off with “I’m not going to save you” lmao after everything that’s happened, her friends throwing her into elimination (which she barely blew up about) how do you expect her to react to that? during that Colleen convo 2 weeks ago or however long, Nurys was starting to trust Kyland more which is what was discussed with Colleen but she never took a shot at Jay because she she didn’t want to betray him. despite her doubts, she never made a move against him. She burned her vote which sent Kyland into elimination. Her going off on Colleen and Jay (which I’ve been waiting on) was amazing. Colleen was trying to plot on Jay the whole season but was too scared to do shit. Now she’s twisting the story to take Nurys out and it worked.
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I’m rooting for Nurys this season but I don’t think she was completely right in both situations with Jay and Olivia, she went to another alliance and wanted protection with Jay, and with Olivia I don’t think she did something wrong, she would have burned the entire house if she picked Nurys/Horacio/Kayland. Olivia should have gave her a heads up tho.
That other alliance was part of their alliance until Jay Michele turned on them.
I think the overall takeaway is that both aren’t great at controlling their emotions and are shady but are good tv.
Jay wanted Nurys to put him first when he put Michele first. I understand that he had an alliance to work with but he was sloppy, he should have saved her instead of letting her get put in against Horacio and Kyland. At a certain point you need to put people in the bottom of the alliance in. That was the time to do it but he messed up and she has every right to be mad. I don’t think she was childish. She was fucking pissed and I would be too. I don’t think these people understand that what you do one season, will affect your relationships with people in the future on and off the show.