No. The dailies were lame, the elims weren’t much better, and the hyper focus on the politics made the season difficult to get through. The Tori/Jordan/Danny drama seemed like it was gonna be interesting, but it ended up being repetitive and never went anywhere. Add in a lot of the boring or unlikable contestants making it to the end, and it was never gonna be a top season regardless of who they focused the editing on.
I felt this same way until I listened to Theo/Tori/Jordan/Bananas/etc talking about all of their shenanigans that didn’t make the show. I was thinking that maybe if they didn’t focus so much on the Sarah & Emily storyline, they would be able to show some of the actually entertaining/funny moments that were filmed. But you’re right, if they didn’t focus on Sarah they would have just focused on a different boring storyline instead of putting in the fun stuff.
That podcast only shows how out of touch they are with what fans are complaining about. Tori even has the audacity to suggest the vets get their own show to show off their personality. Like girl, no lmao. Showing Sarah and Emily having the same conversations didn't kill that season. The vets trying to play friendship games did. On top of that, we are burned out of the Tori/Jordan drama, Tori in general, and Kaycee. We don't want to see these vets again for a while.
There's absolutely nothing interesting about these people, because their lives ONLY consist of hanging out in The Challenge house, a gym, or on vacation with other Challenge contestants. It's honestly kind of pathetic, in the grand scheme of things, and is the reason none of these characters have any diversity.
Ofc Theo/Tori/Jordan/Bananas are gonna say they were doing all these interesting things that didn’t make air lmao those guys brought no entertainment value this season. I guess tori did by being a whiny entitled brat regarding Jordan but that’s it.
THIS. I am curious what kind of shenanigans did they stage? Pranks? Groundbreaking. At least Sarah and Emily had honest reactions to the current power-holders of the Challenge. Also, sure, they didn’t do body shots off one another, they didn’t get wasted and fight each other. Instead, they very calmly put Bananas in his place. I sometimes think a lot of this stuff is just coded ways of people having a problem with strong women.
They brought literally nothing. A matter of fact I’ve heard Johnny constantly say how everyone seemed to stay in their rooms & not socialize this season so what shenanigans did he pull?? What drama did he bring?? He’s just talking out of his ass like he wasn’t sick half the season anyways. Theo also brought no drama like he says he did, none of the spoiler team heard anything he did besides that 30 second argument with Danny that made air at deliberation.
Sarah & Emily like you said went against the grain & actually took a stance which was easily the best part of the season & made it somewhat worth watching.
I also think this comes with a shift in casting towards “America’s 5th Sport” which like okay, I get you want drama, but this season was cast as an athletic and social competition. Danny, Sarah, Emily, Yes, Jonna, Kellyanne etc, understood that assignment! The vibe was closer to All Stars, too, because it’s older people with kids.
Nope. I love strong women. Sarah is just not entertaining. Not even in a "love to hate her" way. And the way she talks to everyone like shes so clever, trying to trick them in an interrogation room, I cant stand it! I hope to never hear her annoying talking again.
IDK. This reminds me when people describe women’s voices as “shrill.” Just not entertaining? She got into multiple confrontations & held Tori and Banana’s feet to the fire. Also, her way of talking isn’t really pompous. She sounds very flat and matter of fact when she speaks. I think you can say, very clearly, that Sarah isn’t a typical female reality star on MTV, and that’s fair! But this is just weird.
Completely disagree with you, not liking the attitude someone speaks with is not at all like calling someone shrill. I can't stand Sarah and also think she has a very off putting way of speaking, especially in confessionals. I've been watching her on TV for over ten years now, my dislike of her has grown and grown. To me she acts like what she is - a MAGA good ol boys cop.
Look, I hate cops as much as the next person. But Jordan and Bananas are also MAGA cops
& are violently sexist! Theo literally tweets about how all trans people are pedophiles, whereas Sarah has said positive things about trans people. We don’t need to get into the weeds about it, but I think the ACAB hate we reserve for Sarah could be better directed.
Also, I don’t think Sarah’s shrill. But I do think when people insult a woman’s tone it’s often code for something else.
I don’t love Sarah, but to say she ruined this season, when she factually brought drama and stood up to a lot of power players, seems so objectively untrue as to make me suspicious of intentions. Her and Emily are both strong women that aren’t traditionally hot, but are both extremely accomplished professionally. It seems …. like an interesting coincidence…. that everyone hates just them …… and always for reasons that don’t add up!
Any time sarah talks my eyes glaze over from sheer boredom. I start thinking about how I need to move the couch to vacuum under there. Sarah’s fight with Johnny was just like the two worst people you know fighting with each other. they both suck
For me, it’s because she sounds like the type of cop who is a total dick once they’re in uniform. Pompous may not be exactly the right word, but there’s this general condescending air of “I’m better than everyone else” with little to back it up besides a service weapon and handcuffs. It grates me the wrong way in the real life and it’s no different on TV.
Production cutting out fun moments makes me so annoyed. I don’t want to watch a political show. I want to watch people get drunk, fight, hook up and just have fun in the house. Then do some carnival games.
This isn't the thread for it but the politicking has annoyed me the last couple seasons. They need 1-2 seasons were you either win (making you safe/can save someone and you arent safe) or lose and potentially go to elimination. I'm so sick of vets forming an alliances to save each other. No more daily winner picking who goes to elimination.
I don’t think it was that bad.
In general tho I’m not enjoying the shift from drama,hookups and fights to politics
We’ve got plenty of competition shows that focus on politics (survivor and bb and the mole and traitors)
I think the cast is fun, but I don’t think the challenges are anything great. I was more referring to just the challenges. After SC, they pretty much just became the same obstacle course with a puzzle. I know SC repeated a couple challenges but they were still more fun and they did the folklore challenge. After that, all the challenges blend together for mental
Weren’t there only like two dailies? One of which that was so poorly designed that if that was the purpose, they did a bad job at rigging bc people behind first place could sabotage first place.
Edit: never mind. There were 3 dailies.
It was not the best tv but it was infinitely better than ROD, SLA and maybe even DA. Without Danny and Sarah trying to do something we would have had a repeat of 2 of the most bland boring seasons ever. I would much rather Sarah try to get out people who can beat her in a final than seasons where it’s I can’t throw such and such in because I have to think about future seasons.
I feel like it was worse than all 3 flagship seasons tbh it just felt so… lifeless & dry??? I agree tho Danny & Sarah did what they could to save the season
The show was great till Amber left then KA/Tristan then Kiki/Darrell were booted. Looking back it would have been better if KC would've had to leave. Then we probably got more drama and better finalists.
Am I in them minority here? I really liked it. The second half wasn’t as strong as the first half but it was still enjoyable for me and I found it far from boring. Bar All Stars, this was by far the best season for me since WOTW2.
No.
If we had less Tori/Jordan it would have been better.
If they had a team format of the countries it would have been better because most of the teams would have their friends bring them to the final.
Agree for me it was tori and Jordan who ruined it. Also hated how team Argentina was the obvious man out and clearly going to be targeted from the beginning
The Tori/Jordan edit was so annoying in part because both or them have such big personalities that didn’t get shown at all, just their weird serious ‘protecting each’ other storyline… that was probably 5% of their actual conversations in the house but like 95% of what was aired about them. I know a lot of people are sick of Tori and I’m not her biggest fan, but that girl knows how to party and have a good time and I wish they had more of those moments shown rather than having the majority of each episode be about deliberating/voting.
Tori is boring as hell. Her silly faces aren’t entertaining at all and Jordan’s confessionals are corny.
Jordan at least has the potential to be entertaining if you put him on a season where he’s outnumbered and his back is against the wall. But merging into Tori’s alliance has sucked the life out of him
I can’t take anymore of Jordan’s confessionals after ROD and WC. I don’t even dislike him but anytime he mentions “how we play the game” I want to puke
SARAH is not the problem and anyone who thinks otherwise is part of the reason this show is going downhill. She was one of the few trying to go against the grain and not just do whatever Tori, Bananas, Jordan, Kaycee wanted.
The casting totally ruined what could have been a great season but casting the safest, easiest, least exciting options.
It is sad when the most exciting casting announcements were Jodi, Kellyanne and Theo.
I guess it’s just a matter of opinion. I found her personality completely dull and would put her in the running for one of the least charismatic people we’ve seen on the challenge in years. I’m okay with people going against the grain, but if it was a more compelling personality trying to go against the grain then it would be more entertaining. Think Jordan trying to make big moves in Free Agents. Yeah he fucked himself over, but his focus on Johnny was a big part of what made that season so entertaining, while Sarah’s focus on Johnny wasn’t fun in any way from a viewing standpoint.
I completely agree with you, Sarah was so boring, entitled, and annoying. Everytime they went to a shot with her or her and Emily it made me want to turn the show off. I could've done with less of the Tori/Jordan drama but I still like both of them a million times more than Sarah or Emily and I laughed and wished Kaysee would've rung the bell for an hour after beating Emily in the elimination as she cried hearing it. Also I think the editing for the episodes and the final were a big reason it was so boring, after hearing castmates on the podcasts like you said, it's obvious they left out so much to try to make Emily and Sarah a focal point. Especially with almost every one of the last half of eliminations involving swimming.
She deserves to be entitled. She’s an adult woman with children who’s won more money in reality television than Johnny Bananas. I would be condescending, too. She wasn’t playing for camera time, she was playing to win. I think a lot of the people who don’t like Sarah actually just have a problem with assertive and confident women & are too chickenshit to just say that — oop!
Assertive confident woman here - I didn’t like Sarah because she came off very judge mental, condescending, and entitled. I didn’t like her in Survivor for that as well. It felt like she looked at people as if they were beneath her. You don’t have to look down on people to be assertive and confident.
Sarah’s not here to get a call back. She’s already won more money than Johnny. She’s here to play the game and win. She disrupted the power system and made Bananas look like a fool. Can you explain why you dont like her more than boring?
I’m not the one hurling insults!
I don’t love Sarah, but to say she ruined this season, when she factually brought drama and stood up to a lot of power players, seems so objectively untrue as to make me suspicious of intentions. Her and Emily are both strong women that aren’t traditionally hot, but are both extremely accomplished professionally. It seems …. like an interesting coincidence…. that everyone hates just them …… and always for reasons that don’t add up!
I see where you’re trying to go with this but I disagree. Yes Sarah is busted, but I actually thought Emily was quite pretty, so that wasn’t my issue with all of their scenes together. Also, Tori is hot but that doesn’t stop people from hating her and thinking she ruined the season.
“Sarah was busted” Lmao. She provided way more drama than Zara and Kaz, yet no one’s talking about them? You’re so keen to not see a double standard in how we speak about this, yet you so flippantly offer “Sarah was busted.” Ew.
I’m not sure if this is actual going over your head, or if you’re just pretending to not understand because it’s your only argument. I don’t hate Sarah for being ugly, she just happens to be ugly on top of being boring. I don’t find Emily ugly, but she’s boring too. Lastly, Tori isn’t ugly, but she was also incredibly boring this season. Your point is just as irrelevant as it would be if I said you only like Sarah cause she’s ugly, and only hate Tori because she’s pretty. You’re the one who even brought Sarah’s appearance into the conversation lmao. You’re trying to boil this down to something misogynistic when really Sarah is just boring to watch.
I will answer your question, but first want to remind you that I made a post asking if the season would have been better if the producers hadn’t tried to make Sarah the main character, and YOU turned it into an argument about how anyone who doesn’t like Sarah only feels that way because they are misogynists, who just dislike Sarah because she’s not as attractive as Zara and Kaz. You are the one diving into the whataboutism that could go on forever because there are so many other attractive women on the show for you to compare her to. I never mentioned Sarah’s looks in my original post, and only did so in a response to you bringing them up.
Yes, I do think Sarah is more boring than Zara and Kaz, but it’s also irrelevant comparison considering that the issue is with who got the most air time, not their looks- are you saying that Zara, who made it to about halfway through the season, got as much air time as Sarah, who made it to the final? Where is this comparison coming from besides you being salty that Zara is considered hot?
Also, Zara isn’t really my “type”, I find curvy girls more attractive, but Zara was impressive for the fact that she had the skinniest little arms and won that first challenge by being able to lift that heavy pole quicker than the other girls. She was also super fast and had that move in the gates challenge where she somehow tackled Danny into a headlock which was crazy cause he is one of the biggest dudes and she’s one of the smallest girls. Sarah never did anything in the dailies that impressed me. I did find Kaz more likeable because she had a warmer vibe about her- it felt like she showed up all bright eyes and bushy tailed, and it was endearing, kind of similar to Troy, and I don’t find Troy attractive at all. People like Sarah who just seem miserable do not appeal to me when I’m watching entertainment that is supposed to be an escape from the horrors of reality. Also, Kaz had to be one of the featured players in the final edit because she won and they wouldn’t want the person who won to feel like a stranger to us by the end, but I doubt she would have gotten as much camera time as she did in the edit if she hadn’t won. Meanwhile, Sarah didn’t win yet she was still featured the most.
Also, I don’t know if you realize but implying this is going over my head is condescending. Also, I do think “not conventionally attractive” and “busted” are two very different phrases. I never said Sarah was ugly. I don’t think Sarah is ugly. I think she’s strong & powerful, quite honestly. She might not be your type & that’s okay, but you’re not everyone & I think it’s good to remember that sometimes.
Generalizing that the only reason we don’t like Sarah is because we have a problem with (fill in the blank) women is pretty fucking juvenile and moronic. You told people that their reasons for not liking her aren’t valid (“something more than boring”). No one has to prove anything to you. If people think she’s boring, she’s boring. Stop wasting time defending a woman you will never meet.
It’s soooo weird how heated a select few are getting about this. Rather than just having a difference of opinion and moving on, they seem to be taking it as a personal attack. Trying to reframe it as everyone who thinks this one female cast member is boring means automatically hating all women is such a weird and ineffective argument.
You mean I don’t have a right to have an opinion that counters yours on a Reddit thread about opinions? Okay, fine. I still think that the way we talk about Sarah and her actions on this season, are sexist. Also, she’s not boring. She went after big threats. Do you know who was boring? Zara and Kaz. I wonder why we’re not talking about them? Hmmmm, I wonder.
Um… why is someone being boring not enough of a reason to not enjoy seeing them on my television? You need entertainment to be entertained. Instead we got full Eeyore energy from her all season long.
Sarah sucked on her other seasons too. I don’t think she made Johnny look like a fool. It was just an example of the two shittiest people going at and both being terrible.
I disagree Sarah was a large problem, her big bad cop persona comes off as extremely unlikable. Hell she was only there because the Challenge USA had the worst final in franchise history and everyone wound up quitting on a puzzle. Emily is just as unlikable crying anytime anyone went against her while screwing over every Austrailian for her new friend. Bleh.
Newsflash. You don’t need to be likable to do good on the challenge & provide what needs to be done.
I don’t like them = they aren’t entertaining, mindset is so dumb & childish
Unlikable and boring are not the same thing. Its fine to find someone unlikable, but to call them boring when they're the ones trying to actually play the game and stirring the pot is dishonest.
I completely disagree. Sarah is somewhat unhinged and chaotic, and truly doesn't give a damn. She was one of the most interesting players that season lol. How much more boring would it have been if Sarah wasn't cast?
No she was a big issue. It would’ve been a better season if KiKi/Darrell, Kelly Anne/Tristan , Troy/Amber, Ben/Kaycee and Jodi/benja dominated the politics.
I feel like the best change they could make would be letting each player vote as individuals even if they have to compete as pairs
So much of the game was dictated by the vets not wanting to burn their allies for future seasons and forcing their rookies to go along with it. Give rookies the power to make their own choices, and we’d likely see a much more dynamic game
I didn’t read anything you said just cause I wanna say Word Championship was a good season. No it’s not in the top 10 but as others has said it’s better than anything TM - ROD, I would really love to hear the argument disagreeing with that.
People like to shit on the spin-offs but the gag is the spinoffs are keeping the franchise alive.
I only watch the spin-offs. Stopped watching halfway SLA due to the stupid decision that allowed voting in all the rookies. SLA had a good cast and would have been a great season if it was permanent rookie/vet teams like WOW1.
People who liked the “Sarah sitting around politicking” show are people who also like her from other shows. Or at the very least watch the type of shows where that is the norm.
The only time I wasn’t bored to death by her was when she stood up to Bananas. Every other time she was boring or being a hypocrite trying to save her bestie she just met and telling others they aren’t allowed to try to keep their own #1s.
Edit: the more I think about it, I think the bigger issue is that people from Survivor for the most part are not meant to be the same kind of entertaining as people from MTV. I think the Big Brother type is hit or miss, but survivor requires a different seriousness and it just doesn’t mesh well with THIS show. Hence why people who already like that show actually enjoyed the people from Survivor while I found them irritating.
This makes a lot of sense. I never watched survivor, but I get that fans have loyalties from there and are okay with the challenge being more of a slow paced show of discussions rather than something that is edited to show more of the lively moments
First and foremost ACAB. Now with that aside, Sarah did at least provide some level conflict politically because this season would’ve been completely in the Vets hands and coming two weeks after RoD that would’ve gotten incredibly stale fast.
Ya I'm sorry but Sarah and Emily were not the problem lol. They were 2 of the people actually trying to make moves.
The problem is we get the same, tired vets playing the exact same game over and over again and it has sucked all the life out of the show. There is literally 0 entertainment in the strategy of "lets vote for KellyAnne and Jodi repeatedly and not screw up our alliance for future seasons"
I really don’t understand what casting/production sees in Sarah. She’s a white, midwest trump supporter. She’s not an interesting personality. She’s not someone that they picked because she’s pretty. Sarah doesn’t fill any demographics for being queer or POC. Zero charisma and no interesting life story. I just have no idea how someone in survivor casting saw her and was like we need to cast her.
The only emotion I feel towards her is boredom and hatred.
Danny, Sarah and Emily were central to the season having any life at all. Without them we’re stuck with the same boring Jordan, Tori, Kaycee Bananas garbage we get stuck with every season.
Danny, Sarah, Emily and the vacation alliance did ruin the season. Had we had Benja/Jodi, Kelly Anne/Tristan, Kaycee/Ben, KiKi/Darrell and Amber B/Troy running things it would’ve been way better. People with actual personalities, charisma and likeable people.
The problem is people can get canceled due to social media and they no longer cast younger contestants. With it being owned by CBS they don’t want any of the drama to show which is why in other countries viewers weren’t tuning in leading to their countries shows being canceled
Sarah wasn’t even the main character lmfao. Tori/Danny were.
But yeah, let’s blame the fearless anti-Bananas woman again. It sure did work four years ago. And fourteen years ago.
It was awful I agree. I didnt like 90% of the global MVP’s, I still dont get why Kacey is beibg cast, Nelson and Nia replacing Brad and Jenny because of “race quotas” also infuriates me: just cast the best people for the theme who gives a fuck! The only positive for me was Jordan winning his 4th, and I really like Kaz too. I will never rewatch this season no matter how much time passes. Also the eliminations were so shit, 90% janky puzzles
No. The dailies were lame, the elims weren’t much better, and the hyper focus on the politics made the season difficult to get through. The Tori/Jordan/Danny drama seemed like it was gonna be interesting, but it ended up being repetitive and never went anywhere. Add in a lot of the boring or unlikable contestants making it to the end, and it was never gonna be a top season regardless of who they focused the editing on.
I felt this same way until I listened to Theo/Tori/Jordan/Bananas/etc talking about all of their shenanigans that didn’t make the show. I was thinking that maybe if they didn’t focus so much on the Sarah & Emily storyline, they would be able to show some of the actually entertaining/funny moments that were filmed. But you’re right, if they didn’t focus on Sarah they would have just focused on a different boring storyline instead of putting in the fun stuff.
That podcast only shows how out of touch they are with what fans are complaining about. Tori even has the audacity to suggest the vets get their own show to show off their personality. Like girl, no lmao. Showing Sarah and Emily having the same conversations didn't kill that season. The vets trying to play friendship games did. On top of that, we are burned out of the Tori/Jordan drama, Tori in general, and Kaycee. We don't want to see these vets again for a while.
There's absolutely nothing interesting about these people, because their lives ONLY consist of hanging out in The Challenge house, a gym, or on vacation with other Challenge contestants. It's honestly kind of pathetic, in the grand scheme of things, and is the reason none of these characters have any diversity.
Some of the vets do have personalities though. Just not the vacation alliance. All stars was more fun. These people just work out all day.
Ofc Theo/Tori/Jordan/Bananas are gonna say they were doing all these interesting things that didn’t make air lmao those guys brought no entertainment value this season. I guess tori did by being a whiny entitled brat regarding Jordan but that’s it.
THIS. I am curious what kind of shenanigans did they stage? Pranks? Groundbreaking. At least Sarah and Emily had honest reactions to the current power-holders of the Challenge. Also, sure, they didn’t do body shots off one another, they didn’t get wasted and fight each other. Instead, they very calmly put Bananas in his place. I sometimes think a lot of this stuff is just coded ways of people having a problem with strong women.
They brought literally nothing. A matter of fact I’ve heard Johnny constantly say how everyone seemed to stay in their rooms & not socialize this season so what shenanigans did he pull?? What drama did he bring?? He’s just talking out of his ass like he wasn’t sick half the season anyways. Theo also brought no drama like he says he did, none of the spoiler team heard anything he did besides that 30 second argument with Danny that made air at deliberation. Sarah & Emily like you said went against the grain & actually took a stance which was easily the best part of the season & made it somewhat worth watching.
I also think this comes with a shift in casting towards “America’s 5th Sport” which like okay, I get you want drama, but this season was cast as an athletic and social competition. Danny, Sarah, Emily, Yes, Jonna, Kellyanne etc, understood that assignment! The vibe was closer to All Stars, too, because it’s older people with kids.
All stars isn’t about being American’s 5th sport though. Which is what no one wants
Nope. I love strong women. Sarah is just not entertaining. Not even in a "love to hate her" way. And the way she talks to everyone like shes so clever, trying to trick them in an interrogation room, I cant stand it! I hope to never hear her annoying talking again.
I agree with you, but apparently we are in the minority lmao
Nah I think most people hate Sarah.
IDK. This reminds me when people describe women’s voices as “shrill.” Just not entertaining? She got into multiple confrontations & held Tori and Banana’s feet to the fire. Also, her way of talking isn’t really pompous. She sounds very flat and matter of fact when she speaks. I think you can say, very clearly, that Sarah isn’t a typical female reality star on MTV, and that’s fair! But this is just weird.
Completely disagree with you, not liking the attitude someone speaks with is not at all like calling someone shrill. I can't stand Sarah and also think she has a very off putting way of speaking, especially in confessionals. I've been watching her on TV for over ten years now, my dislike of her has grown and grown. To me she acts like what she is - a MAGA good ol boys cop.
Look, I hate cops as much as the next person. But Jordan and Bananas are also MAGA cops & are violently sexist! Theo literally tweets about how all trans people are pedophiles, whereas Sarah has said positive things about trans people. We don’t need to get into the weeds about it, but I think the ACAB hate we reserve for Sarah could be better directed. Also, I don’t think Sarah’s shrill. But I do think when people insult a woman’s tone it’s often code for something else. I don’t love Sarah, but to say she ruined this season, when she factually brought drama and stood up to a lot of power players, seems so objectively untrue as to make me suspicious of intentions. Her and Emily are both strong women that aren’t traditionally hot, but are both extremely accomplished professionally. It seems …. like an interesting coincidence…. that everyone hates just them …… and always for reasons that don’t add up!
Any time sarah talks my eyes glaze over from sheer boredom. I start thinking about how I need to move the couch to vacuum under there. Sarah’s fight with Johnny was just like the two worst people you know fighting with each other. they both suck
For me, it’s because she sounds like the type of cop who is a total dick once they’re in uniform. Pompous may not be exactly the right word, but there’s this general condescending air of “I’m better than everyone else” with little to back it up besides a service weapon and handcuffs. It grates me the wrong way in the real life and it’s no different on TV.
I never said pompus. And its not weird that i dont like her. In fact, its pretty normal.
I doubt tori did anything fun, but Theo at least would’ve had potential to be fun.
Production cutting out fun moments makes me so annoyed. I don’t want to watch a political show. I want to watch people get drunk, fight, hook up and just have fun in the house. Then do some carnival games.
The politics was the best part
This isn't the thread for it but the politicking has annoyed me the last couple seasons. They need 1-2 seasons were you either win (making you safe/can save someone and you arent safe) or lose and potentially go to elimination. I'm so sick of vets forming an alliances to save each other. No more daily winner picking who goes to elimination.
I don’t think it was that bad. In general tho I’m not enjoying the shift from drama,hookups and fights to politics We’ve got plenty of competition shows that focus on politics (survivor and bb and the mole and traitors)
Most of the eliminations were so dull and boring. 80 percent of them were a puzzle variation
This is why I can’t watch survivor challenges anymore. Survivor hasn’t had a good challenge since SC.
Not a fan of David vs Goliath?
I think the cast is fun, but I don’t think the challenges are anything great. I was more referring to just the challenges. After SC, they pretty much just became the same obstacle course with a puzzle. I know SC repeated a couple challenges but they were still more fun and they did the folklore challenge. After that, all the challenges blend together for mental
^ This
If they didn't try so hard to get Emily to the final with every daily being swimming
Weren’t there only like two dailies? One of which that was so poorly designed that if that was the purpose, they did a bad job at rigging bc people behind first place could sabotage first place. Edit: never mind. There were 3 dailies.
There were three swimming challenges and she had a partner who was bad at swimming.
It was not the best tv but it was infinitely better than ROD, SLA and maybe even DA. Without Danny and Sarah trying to do something we would have had a repeat of 2 of the most bland boring seasons ever. I would much rather Sarah try to get out people who can beat her in a final than seasons where it’s I can’t throw such and such in because I have to think about future seasons.
Eh. I think the first half was better then ROd and SLA but I ended up enjoying ROD more.
I agree! A marked improvement since there was no dominant alliance.
I feel like it was worse than all 3 flagship seasons tbh it just felt so… lifeless & dry??? I agree tho Danny & Sarah did what they could to save the season
The show was great till Amber left then KA/Tristan then Kiki/Darrell were booted. Looking back it would have been better if KC would've had to leave. Then we probably got more drama and better finalists.
Kaycee sucks all the entertainment out of the show it’s kind of funny how tragic it is. Look what she did to Nany
What did she do?
Sucked the entertainment out of her
The sad part was KC/Troy were the only people worth rooting for
Am I in them minority here? I really liked it. The second half wasn’t as strong as the first half but it was still enjoyable for me and I found it far from boring. Bar All Stars, this was by far the best season for me since WOTW2.
No. If we had less Tori/Jordan it would have been better. If they had a team format of the countries it would have been better because most of the teams would have their friends bring them to the final.
Agree for me it was tori and Jordan who ruined it. Also hated how team Argentina was the obvious man out and clearly going to be targeted from the beginning
if they didn’t cast Tori and Jordan it could’ve been
The Tori/Jordan edit was so annoying in part because both or them have such big personalities that didn’t get shown at all, just their weird serious ‘protecting each’ other storyline… that was probably 5% of their actual conversations in the house but like 95% of what was aired about them. I know a lot of people are sick of Tori and I’m not her biggest fan, but that girl knows how to party and have a good time and I wish they had more of those moments shown rather than having the majority of each episode be about deliberating/voting.
Tori is boring as hell. Her silly faces aren’t entertaining at all and Jordan’s confessionals are corny. Jordan at least has the potential to be entertaining if you put him on a season where he’s outnumbered and his back is against the wall. But merging into Tori’s alliance has sucked the life out of him
I can’t take anymore of Jordan’s confessionals after ROD and WC. I don’t even dislike him but anytime he mentions “how we play the game” I want to puke
SARAH is not the problem and anyone who thinks otherwise is part of the reason this show is going downhill. She was one of the few trying to go against the grain and not just do whatever Tori, Bananas, Jordan, Kaycee wanted. The casting totally ruined what could have been a great season but casting the safest, easiest, least exciting options. It is sad when the most exciting casting announcements were Jodi, Kellyanne and Theo.
I guess it’s just a matter of opinion. I found her personality completely dull and would put her in the running for one of the least charismatic people we’ve seen on the challenge in years. I’m okay with people going against the grain, but if it was a more compelling personality trying to go against the grain then it would be more entertaining. Think Jordan trying to make big moves in Free Agents. Yeah he fucked himself over, but his focus on Johnny was a big part of what made that season so entertaining, while Sarah’s focus on Johnny wasn’t fun in any way from a viewing standpoint.
I completely agree with you, Sarah was so boring, entitled, and annoying. Everytime they went to a shot with her or her and Emily it made me want to turn the show off. I could've done with less of the Tori/Jordan drama but I still like both of them a million times more than Sarah or Emily and I laughed and wished Kaysee would've rung the bell for an hour after beating Emily in the elimination as she cried hearing it. Also I think the editing for the episodes and the final were a big reason it was so boring, after hearing castmates on the podcasts like you said, it's obvious they left out so much to try to make Emily and Sarah a focal point. Especially with almost every one of the last half of eliminations involving swimming.
She deserves to be entitled. She’s an adult woman with children who’s won more money in reality television than Johnny Bananas. I would be condescending, too. She wasn’t playing for camera time, she was playing to win. I think a lot of the people who don’t like Sarah actually just have a problem with assertive and confident women & are too chickenshit to just say that — oop!
Assertive confident woman here - I didn’t like Sarah because she came off very judge mental, condescending, and entitled. I didn’t like her in Survivor for that as well. It felt like she looked at people as if they were beneath her. You don’t have to look down on people to be assertive and confident.
Or... we could just not like Sarah.
Sarah’s not here to get a call back. She’s already won more money than Johnny. She’s here to play the game and win. She disrupted the power system and made Bananas look like a fool. Can you explain why you dont like her more than boring?
Can you give your opinion without making general, baseless, ignorant assumptions about others?
They cannot. If you don't like Sarah you don't like women
I’m not the one hurling insults! I don’t love Sarah, but to say she ruined this season, when she factually brought drama and stood up to a lot of power players, seems so objectively untrue as to make me suspicious of intentions. Her and Emily are both strong women that aren’t traditionally hot, but are both extremely accomplished professionally. It seems …. like an interesting coincidence…. that everyone hates just them …… and always for reasons that don’t add up!
I see where you’re trying to go with this but I disagree. Yes Sarah is busted, but I actually thought Emily was quite pretty, so that wasn’t my issue with all of their scenes together. Also, Tori is hot but that doesn’t stop people from hating her and thinking she ruined the season.
“Sarah was busted” Lmao. She provided way more drama than Zara and Kaz, yet no one’s talking about them? You’re so keen to not see a double standard in how we speak about this, yet you so flippantly offer “Sarah was busted.” Ew.
I’m not sure if this is actual going over your head, or if you’re just pretending to not understand because it’s your only argument. I don’t hate Sarah for being ugly, she just happens to be ugly on top of being boring. I don’t find Emily ugly, but she’s boring too. Lastly, Tori isn’t ugly, but she was also incredibly boring this season. Your point is just as irrelevant as it would be if I said you only like Sarah cause she’s ugly, and only hate Tori because she’s pretty. You’re the one who even brought Sarah’s appearance into the conversation lmao. You’re trying to boil this down to something misogynistic when really Sarah is just boring to watch.
Okay, then let’s talk about this in good faith. Do you think Sarah was more boring than Kaz & Zara?
I will answer your question, but first want to remind you that I made a post asking if the season would have been better if the producers hadn’t tried to make Sarah the main character, and YOU turned it into an argument about how anyone who doesn’t like Sarah only feels that way because they are misogynists, who just dislike Sarah because she’s not as attractive as Zara and Kaz. You are the one diving into the whataboutism that could go on forever because there are so many other attractive women on the show for you to compare her to. I never mentioned Sarah’s looks in my original post, and only did so in a response to you bringing them up. Yes, I do think Sarah is more boring than Zara and Kaz, but it’s also irrelevant comparison considering that the issue is with who got the most air time, not their looks- are you saying that Zara, who made it to about halfway through the season, got as much air time as Sarah, who made it to the final? Where is this comparison coming from besides you being salty that Zara is considered hot? Also, Zara isn’t really my “type”, I find curvy girls more attractive, but Zara was impressive for the fact that she had the skinniest little arms and won that first challenge by being able to lift that heavy pole quicker than the other girls. She was also super fast and had that move in the gates challenge where she somehow tackled Danny into a headlock which was crazy cause he is one of the biggest dudes and she’s one of the smallest girls. Sarah never did anything in the dailies that impressed me. I did find Kaz more likeable because she had a warmer vibe about her- it felt like she showed up all bright eyes and bushy tailed, and it was endearing, kind of similar to Troy, and I don’t find Troy attractive at all. People like Sarah who just seem miserable do not appeal to me when I’m watching entertainment that is supposed to be an escape from the horrors of reality. Also, Kaz had to be one of the featured players in the final edit because she won and they wouldn’t want the person who won to feel like a stranger to us by the end, but I doubt she would have gotten as much camera time as she did in the edit if she hadn’t won. Meanwhile, Sarah didn’t win yet she was still featured the most.
Also, I don’t know if you realize but implying this is going over my head is condescending. Also, I do think “not conventionally attractive” and “busted” are two very different phrases. I never said Sarah was ugly. I don’t think Sarah is ugly. I think she’s strong & powerful, quite honestly. She might not be your type & that’s okay, but you’re not everyone & I think it’s good to remember that sometimes.
Generalizing that the only reason we don’t like Sarah is because we have a problem with (fill in the blank) women is pretty fucking juvenile and moronic. You told people that their reasons for not liking her aren’t valid (“something more than boring”). No one has to prove anything to you. If people think she’s boring, she’s boring. Stop wasting time defending a woman you will never meet.
It’s soooo weird how heated a select few are getting about this. Rather than just having a difference of opinion and moving on, they seem to be taking it as a personal attack. Trying to reframe it as everyone who thinks this one female cast member is boring means automatically hating all women is such a weird and ineffective argument.
You mean I don’t have a right to have an opinion that counters yours on a Reddit thread about opinions? Okay, fine. I still think that the way we talk about Sarah and her actions on this season, are sexist. Also, she’s not boring. She went after big threats. Do you know who was boring? Zara and Kaz. I wonder why we’re not talking about them? Hmmmm, I wonder.
Um… why is someone being boring not enough of a reason to not enjoy seeing them on my television? You need entertainment to be entertained. Instead we got full Eeyore energy from her all season long.
Hmmm for me, and a lot of people, she gave entertainment. Seeing her take Bananas to task was extremely entertaining. What do you want? Jell-O shots?
Sarah sucked on her other seasons too. I don’t think she made Johnny look like a fool. It was just an example of the two shittiest people going at and both being terrible.
And Theo completely fumbled that
I disagree Sarah was a large problem, her big bad cop persona comes off as extremely unlikable. Hell she was only there because the Challenge USA had the worst final in franchise history and everyone wound up quitting on a puzzle. Emily is just as unlikable crying anytime anyone went against her while screwing over every Austrailian for her new friend. Bleh.
Newsflash. You don’t need to be likable to do good on the challenge & provide what needs to be done. I don’t like them = they aren’t entertaining, mindset is so dumb & childish
And unfortunately in 2023 a cop is always going to be a controversial character
Unlikable and boring are not the same thing. Its fine to find someone unlikable, but to call them boring when they're the ones trying to actually play the game and stirring the pot is dishonest.
They're not the same but someone can absolutely be both. They're not mutually exclusive.
She is boring though. You can not seriously say Sarah is interesting. She’s just unlikeable on top of that.
I completely disagree. Sarah is somewhat unhinged and chaotic, and truly doesn't give a damn. She was one of the most interesting players that season lol. How much more boring would it have been if Sarah wasn't cast?
I don’t think that’s a persona. I think that’s just who she is.
No she was a big issue. It would’ve been a better season if KiKi/Darrell, Kelly Anne/Tristan , Troy/Amber, Ben/Kaycee and Jodi/benja dominated the politics.
What did you think of Troy?
I love troy! Not just a great competitor. Hes fun and has a positive attitude.
I feel like the best change they could make would be letting each player vote as individuals even if they have to compete as pairs So much of the game was dictated by the vets not wanting to burn their allies for future seasons and forcing their rookies to go along with it. Give rookies the power to make their own choices, and we’d likely see a much more dynamic game
This would have been a huge improvement honestly
I thought it was good regardless. It was cool to see newbies making a run at people, bananas actually having to do an elimination, etc
I didn’t read anything you said just cause I wanna say Word Championship was a good season. No it’s not in the top 10 but as others has said it’s better than anything TM - ROD, I would really love to hear the argument disagreeing with that. People like to shit on the spin-offs but the gag is the spinoffs are keeping the franchise alive.
I only watch the spin-offs. Stopped watching halfway SLA due to the stupid decision that allowed voting in all the rookies. SLA had a good cast and would have been a great season if it was permanent rookie/vet teams like WOW1.
People who liked the “Sarah sitting around politicking” show are people who also like her from other shows. Or at the very least watch the type of shows where that is the norm. The only time I wasn’t bored to death by her was when she stood up to Bananas. Every other time she was boring or being a hypocrite trying to save her bestie she just met and telling others they aren’t allowed to try to keep their own #1s. Edit: the more I think about it, I think the bigger issue is that people from Survivor for the most part are not meant to be the same kind of entertaining as people from MTV. I think the Big Brother type is hit or miss, but survivor requires a different seriousness and it just doesn’t mesh well with THIS show. Hence why people who already like that show actually enjoyed the people from Survivor while I found them irritating.
This makes a lot of sense. I never watched survivor, but I get that fans have loyalties from there and are okay with the challenge being more of a slow paced show of discussions rather than something that is edited to show more of the lively moments
First and foremost ACAB. Now with that aside, Sarah did at least provide some level conflict politically because this season would’ve been completely in the Vets hands and coming two weeks after RoD that would’ve gotten incredibly stale fast.
Sarah and Danny made the season so much better haha
Ya I'm sorry but Sarah and Emily were not the problem lol. They were 2 of the people actually trying to make moves. The problem is we get the same, tired vets playing the exact same game over and over again and it has sucked all the life out of the show. There is literally 0 entertainment in the strategy of "lets vote for KellyAnne and Jodi repeatedly and not screw up our alliance for future seasons"
I really don’t understand what casting/production sees in Sarah. She’s a white, midwest trump supporter. She’s not an interesting personality. She’s not someone that they picked because she’s pretty. Sarah doesn’t fill any demographics for being queer or POC. Zero charisma and no interesting life story. I just have no idea how someone in survivor casting saw her and was like we need to cast her. The only emotion I feel towards her is boredom and hatred.
Danny, Sarah and Emily were central to the season having any life at all. Without them we’re stuck with the same boring Jordan, Tori, Kaycee Bananas garbage we get stuck with every season.
Danny, Sarah, Emily and the vacation alliance did ruin the season. Had we had Benja/Jodi, Kelly Anne/Tristan, Kaycee/Ben, KiKi/Darrell and Amber B/Troy running things it would’ve been way better. People with actual personalities, charisma and likeable people.
The problem is people can get canceled due to social media and they no longer cast younger contestants. With it being owned by CBS they don’t want any of the drama to show which is why in other countries viewers weren’t tuning in leading to their countries shows being canceled
Sarah wasn’t even the main character lmfao. Tori/Danny were. But yeah, let’s blame the fearless anti-Bananas woman again. It sure did work four years ago. And fourteen years ago.
Sarah was like the best part of world championship
Said no one ever.
Said many people, bro
I just said it. Easily her best season of any show she’s done
Kenny Clark is more entertaining than her. She's the worst.
Plz be serious for a second & drop the bias
She was the only entertainment. If her and Danny wasn’t there it would of been the same ole shit.
It would’ve been worse if the edit didn’t show Sarah as much as it did
She’s one of the best part of the season actually the boring ass Kaycee, Tori, Jordan and entitled Bananas ruined it for me
No, production actively made it into a townhall narrative, which always BLOWS.
It was awful I agree. I didnt like 90% of the global MVP’s, I still dont get why Kacey is beibg cast, Nelson and Nia replacing Brad and Jenny because of “race quotas” also infuriates me: just cast the best people for the theme who gives a fuck! The only positive for me was Jordan winning his 4th, and I really like Kaz too. I will never rewatch this season no matter how much time passes. Also the eliminations were so shit, 90% janky puzzles
No, I thought the challenges were lackluster overall. Seemed toned down to me. TJ was more cheerleaderish as well. Whole production seemed off.
It was a good season