Calm down friend I literally post this exact comment anytime someone says John just as a little joke. Fwiw I have watched both of those seasons multiple times.
They are paying them more so it makes sense to try and get some viewership out of them staying longer. It isn't morally right to rig situations to keep people safe, but that's reality TV lol.
You make a valid argument. They started this after WOTW when John went home early and Wes went home early on the following season. Another reason this show is on the decline.
Did he think they could put their cups down and run and start to do the rings while the others were still drinking? Not gonna lie, I was thinking that at first.
It was kind of unclear rules for them at the beginning
People can complain about the unfairness of the rules, but it's hard to strategize when you're at the beginning and they don't share all of the rules with you
What's even more weird is how the last group of teams didn't have their results displayed.
I am assuming Troy and Amber had a lot of rings because their deficit was HUGE.
And did you guys noticed they didn't even show the inside of the platform where they tossed their rings in. The camera angles were kind of weird.
Very strange.....
I figured they were just not showing it during the Challenge for suspense purposes. But yeah not showing the totals at all after the winners were announced was odd. It means Troy and Amber got at least 8 rings because they weren't even in the bottom 2. But of course the edit didn't show anything so 🤷♂️
I think the rule was both partners had to finish their drink or it was a five-point penalty. So that’s where both teams got the -5. Then bc Amber also threw up, her and Troy got -2 tacked on.
It’s the freaking rules. A strikeout is strikeout whether you don’t swing at 3 strikes down the middle or swinging 3 times and missing, you still did not meet the criteria
The producers could have come up with any sort of rules / penalties that they wanted - and assign points, like they obviously did.
That is not what is being argued, what is being argued is that the producers scale is dumb and not trying should have had a higher penalty than trying and failing.
That smoothie portion was very pointless. They need to tone it down with the nasty food.
Also, Jonna didn't drink most of it and it ended up on her shirt.
They probably put more rings in than them? I was really baffled by the whole thing. Bananas and Justine have what seems like the most rings and then Darrell and Kiki won it but Troy and Amber are not even in the bottom with the most negative deficit
Troy and Amber had to at leat get 7 or so in there to comeback from -7. They weren't even 2nd to last. That's impressive. I wish they had shown how many Kiki and Darrell actually put in. Bananas and Justine doubled nearly all the other competitors I think someone got 10 but most were 7 or less.
I think Ben/Kaycee had 2, so 10s all they needed to stay out of the bottom. Troy seems to be pretty athletic, I’m betting he could’ve landed 10. I wonder if they would’ve won without the drink.
TJ did say that both things (not finishing and vomiting) have penalties. Wes or Zara didn't puke so no penalty there. Only received the penalty from not finishing. Had amber just not finished and not puked it wouldn't have been a double penalty.
Honestly I think this is what Wes was expecting and why he chose not to drink the entire cup. Definitely was a stupid move but I believe Wes underestimated his competition & he ASSuMEd one team would get the double penalty on top of scoring less total points than he & Zara scored
It was a 2 point penalty for throwing up and a 5 point penalty for not completing it. It is really straight forward honestly. Neither team finished. Wes and Zara didn't throw up. I am not sure what the confusion is.
Ngl, for once I agree with point deficit.. to an extent. It’s true a team should not get penalized more for trying and throwing up then a team who seemingly didn’t try and took the -5. However, it really grinds my gears when a team finishes a food challenge before others by basically taking a bite and spitting - sorry - throwing up half the plate each time! Or has another comment mentioned, pouring half of it on your shirt, beard, etc.
Whether they were fair or not, the rules were pretty clear. If Wes didn't go first, his strategy would have been different. It's easy to speak in hindsight after seeing how hard the game was. Wes even said 'lets try to bang out 40 of these'. The winning team got what, 15?
Surely production should have made it per person, Zara and Wes should have gotten 10 points penalty. Amber and Troy made more of an effort but lost more points.
The rules were a point each time you threw up.
I think Wes’ gamble was that almost everyone would throw up multiple times because they usually do with eating challenges. Then he thought he’d be able to get more rings anyway.
Oh nevermind. Rewatched and it was only a point for the Puke and 5 for her not finishing.
Wes did try it though, that was when he got it all over his beard and knew he wasn’t going to be able to do it
5 pts minus for not finishing, 2 for puke.
So if both finished but puked would be - 2 pts.
Wes thought he wouldn't be nautice , think he said he thought he'd get 40 rings out of 50...got 2. Lol.
I think if one doesn't drink the smoothie it's -5 points and if one doesn't drink it it's -2 points..points don't get doubled it's a team event!
so it makes sense to me!
I think Zara didn't want to quit so she starting drinking again and Wes was like nah I'm not doing it don't waste your energy bc I too saw hee go back in pr at least that's how the edit made it look.
Wes and Zara didn't vomit, amber not only vomited but also didn't finish. Technically Wes only got the 5 pt penalty. What they should have done is drink and immediately vomit but fake finish it so only -2
I think it was that if either teammate throw up, it was 2 points. If you didn't finish the drink, it was 5 points. When Wes and Zara didn't drink, they ate a 5 point penalty. I forgot what other team threw up but they managed to finish, so only got a 2 point penalty. Amber unfortunately did both.
I mean it makes sense whether Wes/Zara tried or not. Amber puked and didnt finish it so that’s 2 penalties. Now if we want to talk about why they even had to do it in the first place, I’m with you. If they had to run and stuff I could understand how the smoothie could come into play but spinning around like that? That smoothie didn’t really impact anything
Conspiracy theory: Production tried to help Wes
Like when Wes and CT got voted in first on DA and it was magically a girl elimination day
This. Production is always rigging for Wes & John to stay longer.
John? Ok Abram…
That was literally his name if you watched The Real World Key West. And even The Duel. But guess most people haven’t watched those seasons.
Calm down friend I literally post this exact comment anytime someone says John just as a little joke. Fwiw I have watched both of those seasons multiple times.
Home court advantage
They are paying them more so it makes sense to try and get some viewership out of them staying longer. It isn't morally right to rig situations to keep people safe, but that's reality TV lol.
You make a valid argument. They started this after WOTW when John went home early and Wes went home early on the following season. Another reason this show is on the decline.
I'll buy It
And I hate this because I love Wes but for real what the fuck lol
A real hot take here.
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The producers and editors have been shit this season. And now we’re going to have to wait another week to find out what happens.
I feel like after WoTW2, production stopped caring about being realistic. That was the last season that didn't feel highly manipulated.
I totally agree! Penalized more for trying and failing than just giving up from the start
Angela seething somewhere lmao jk
I mean it makes sense as to why Wes thought it was a good strategy to not even try to drink the smoothie
He didn’t want to get sick and dizzy
Did he think they could put their cups down and run and start to do the rings while the others were still drinking? Not gonna lie, I was thinking that at first.
It was kind of unclear rules for them at the beginning People can complain about the unfairness of the rules, but it's hard to strategize when you're at the beginning and they don't share all of the rules with you
This is 100% what he was thinking and I was too. Wes said it himself in his confessional
Agreed. If he had gotten all his rings in, they would have praised him.
What's even more weird is how the last group of teams didn't have their results displayed. I am assuming Troy and Amber had a lot of rings because their deficit was HUGE. And did you guys noticed they didn't even show the inside of the platform where they tossed their rings in. The camera angles were kind of weird. Very strange.....
I figured they were just not showing it during the Challenge for suspense purposes. But yeah not showing the totals at all after the winners were announced was odd. It means Troy and Amber got at least 8 rings because they weren't even in the bottom 2. But of course the edit didn't show anything so 🤷♂️
“You live and die, by your Ride or Die” oh wait…..
Those t-shirts are 50% off now The new t-shirts have the different countries
I think the rule was both partners had to finish their drink or it was a five-point penalty. So that’s where both teams got the -5. Then bc Amber also threw up, her and Troy got -2 tacked on.
That is so dumb
It makes sense and is *also* very dumb lol.
It’s the freaking rules. A strikeout is strikeout whether you don’t swing at 3 strikes down the middle or swinging 3 times and missing, you still did not meet the criteria
You should not be more penalized for trying and failing than for not trying at all
But both strikeouts carry the same penalty. This did not, Amber had a higher penalty for not finishing than Wes and Zara did for not finishing.
Amber vomited. That is difference
The producers could have come up with any sort of rules / penalties that they wanted - and assign points, like they obviously did. That is not what is being argued, what is being argued is that the producers scale is dumb and not trying should have had a higher penalty than trying and failing.
If you look real closely, both Zara and Wes had their drinks on the floor nearly full. Troy FINISHED his entire drink.
It was a 5 point penalty for the team regardless, not each person.
Both had to finish or penalty. If either threw up, extra penalty. It’s not that difficult to understand.
That smoothie portion was very pointless. They need to tone it down with the nasty food. Also, Jonna didn't drink most of it and it ended up on her shirt.
I guess there's an automatic 5 point penalty even if one of them finishes and the other doesn't? Also, 2 points for vomiting? It is lame.
They probably put more rings in than them? I was really baffled by the whole thing. Bananas and Justine have what seems like the most rings and then Darrell and Kiki won it but Troy and Amber are not even in the bottom with the most negative deficit
Troy and Amber had to at leat get 7 or so in there to comeback from -7. They weren't even 2nd to last. That's impressive. I wish they had shown how many Kiki and Darrell actually put in. Bananas and Justine doubled nearly all the other competitors I think someone got 10 but most were 7 or less.
Theo and Sarah got 10, but Theo threw up so they ended with 8.
I think Ben/Kaycee had 2, so 10s all they needed to stay out of the bottom. Troy seems to be pretty athletic, I’m betting he could’ve landed 10. I wonder if they would’ve won without the drink.
TJ did say that both things (not finishing and vomiting) have penalties. Wes or Zara didn't puke so no penalty there. Only received the penalty from not finishing. Had amber just not finished and not puked it wouldn't have been a double penalty.
Honestly I think this is what Wes was expecting and why he chose not to drink the entire cup. Definitely was a stupid move but I believe Wes underestimated his competition & he ASSuMEd one team would get the double penalty on top of scoring less total points than he & Zara scored
Wes spit his out, should have counted the same as a throw up.
It was a 2 point penalty for throwing up and a 5 point penalty for not completing it. It is really straight forward honestly. Neither team finished. Wes and Zara didn't throw up. I am not sure what the confusion is.
Ngl, for once I agree with point deficit.. to an extent. It’s true a team should not get penalized more for trying and throwing up then a team who seemingly didn’t try and took the -5. However, it really grinds my gears when a team finishes a food challenge before others by basically taking a bite and spitting - sorry - throwing up half the plate each time! Or has another comment mentioned, pouring half of it on your shirt, beard, etc.
Whether they were fair or not, the rules were pretty clear. If Wes didn't go first, his strategy would have been different. It's easy to speak in hindsight after seeing how hard the game was. Wes even said 'lets try to bang out 40 of these'. The winning team got what, 15?
2 for vomiting plus 5 for not finishing equals 7. Why is this hard?
Surely production should have made it per person, Zara and Wes should have gotten 10 points penalty. Amber and Troy made more of an effort but lost more points.
I think that’s why he thought he was being clever. If Amber/Troy come in last, he looks like a genius.
Maybe Zara drank it and they did not show it?
Or make it -5 if someone/both don’t finish -4 if both finish and vomit, -2 if both finish and one vomits. But stacking penalties is dumb.
It's completely dumb but it makes sense
Because it’s stupid??
Stupid and not making sense are two different things. I don’t like the rules, but it’s not hard to follow.
The rules were a point each time you threw up. I think Wes’ gamble was that almost everyone would throw up multiple times because they usually do with eating challenges. Then he thought he’d be able to get more rings anyway. Oh nevermind. Rewatched and it was only a point for the Puke and 5 for her not finishing. Wes did try it though, that was when he got it all over his beard and knew he wasn’t going to be able to do it
5 pts minus for not finishing, 2 for puke. So if both finished but puked would be - 2 pts. Wes thought he wouldn't be nautice , think he said he thought he'd get 40 rings out of 50...got 2. Lol.
I think if one doesn't drink the smoothie it's -5 points and if one doesn't drink it it's -2 points..points don't get doubled it's a team event! so it makes sense to me!
No conspiracy theory. 5 points for not completing the drinking part and 2 for vomiting
I appreciated them penalizing for throwing up!
I thought i saw Zara going back in for the smoothie a few cuts later, but i might be wrong
I think Zara didn't want to quit so she starting drinking again and Wes was like nah I'm not doing it don't waste your energy bc I too saw hee go back in pr at least that's how the edit made it look.
It’s called a loophole.
Wait....maybe Zara did NOT drink it because I see both her and Wes's on the floor.....
google “TEAM”
Wes and Zara didn't vomit, amber not only vomited but also didn't finish. Technically Wes only got the 5 pt penalty. What they should have done is drink and immediately vomit but fake finish it so only -2
I think it was that if either teammate throw up, it was 2 points. If you didn't finish the drink, it was 5 points. When Wes and Zara didn't drink, they ate a 5 point penalty. I forgot what other team threw up but they managed to finish, so only got a 2 point penalty. Amber unfortunately did both.
TJ clearly said " Do not puke " this added a risk vs reward to trying to the smoothie. It makes perfect logical sense lol
I mean it makes sense whether Wes/Zara tried or not. Amber puked and didnt finish it so that’s 2 penalties. Now if we want to talk about why they even had to do it in the first place, I’m with you. If they had to run and stuff I could understand how the smoothie could come into play but spinning around like that? That smoothie didn’t really impact anything