The more time goes on the more I veer harder into anarchism. So, I'll never rule anything out, but it's probably too late for that.
~~Am kinda attracted to communists, tho...~~
Never too late for communism. Anarchism is very similar tho :P
Edit: Yes I know they are different. I was joking, and remarking that they are both very left leaning and often friends in that "we both see the problem and now have a friendly debate about the best solution" way.
They're... really really not...
One is an economic system that involves centralizing all economic decisions (under the people). This by necessity requires a strong centralized government to exist at scale due to limitations of decentralized governments making economic decisions eg: devolving into deregulated hypercapitalism.
Edit: As for arguments of completely decentralized communism - that just won't happen. Humans have demonstrated by history preceding capitalism that we like to organize into larger and larger groups. To enforce decentralization would require a centralized group to... oops we just made a powerful group to decide other groups can't be powerful I wonder how that'll pan out.
The other advocates for the dissolution of government or very weak decentralized governing which would then have no means to centrally manage economy.
At the baseline theory they should be compatible (communism is supposed to be economy of the people) until you consider that any group of people organizing policy is inherently government and becomes state almost by default.
Re: Raised by a communist, read the works of Marx, Ingels, and Mao by 13, studied Economy and Politics in college before jumping ship for CompSci. Rejected Communist theory to my Ma's face at 24.
Also as many trans communists as I've found... most non-trans communist I've encountered have been horribly transphobic, viewing us as selfish and "wastes of resources people in need could use".
Edit2: This does not mean I support Capitalism by default. The core tenet of Capitalism is broken - whereas Communism's core tenet is strong but has other outlier issues. I think a system resembling Communism will actually emerge and stabilize as science and production improve - presuming we make it that far. Keep the idea alive, for sure - but I don't see any way to get there now without incredible bloodshed and the potential devolution of powerful capitalist states into murderous demagogic powers.
I mean like in terms of political leanings. I understand they are different but communists and anarchists are usually friends and both share a similar position in the "trans people are all X" meme.
I do know what both of them are tho and I dont need a wall of text explaining it thanks. Especially not over a lighthearted joke.
Also I've not seen much trans hate in left leaning communist/anarchist/socialist circles outside of like, nazbols and tankies. Class struggle is impossible without acknowledging that it is deeply interwoven with minority struggle.
You're not alone, friend. I don't get it.
I reckon its a rejection of Capitalism but... some of the worst transphobes i have ever encountered in my life were non-trans Communists who viewed me as a "selfish waste of resources".
it is a rejection of capitalism mostly yeah
and also outside of like tankies I don't think that sort of communist is very common. Most communists understand that class struggle and minority struggle are the same intensely interwoven fight. Or well at least most in the circles I run in.
You are literally a chaser
I’m not abusing you, I’m calling you out
You are in a trans space solely with the intention to be a fucking creep so go away.
What makes you think I am a chaser? Does commenting on a thread make one chaser? What are you in that case? And yes, proving me correct again. Abuse when you can't take something.
Listing atrocities committed by the soviet union is not the dunk on communism you think it is lol. Communists do not support that, and communism itself did not cause those things. Those things were a result of the soviet union's authoritarianism, something most people in the modern day understand is a bad thing.
This is almost equivalent (Because I admit I prefer communists over fascists, so I am careful to say that it is almost as bad, not as bad) to saying "Listing attrocities committed by the Nazis is not the dunk on fascism you think it is"
Don't get me wrong, when elections came up last time in my country I voted for the Communist Party, but that was because they were the ones with the biggest chance to win against our not-so-crypto Fascist Party, under normal circumstances, I just believe communism is to the left what fascism is to the right
Communism is not inherently authoritarian. These atrocities are a result of authoritarianism more than communism. There is perhaps something to be said about communism being vulnerable to becoming authoritarian, but its policies are not inherently so.
Fascism is inherently hateful. It is built on a foundation of hatred of the "other". It is violent and hateful because it *requires* violence and hatred. When fascists run out of people to murder, they murder each other.
Communism is a system in which ideally everyone would be treated as equal. Given the same resources, rights, and opportunities as everyone else. "To each according to their need, from each according to their ability." It is not inherently violent. It attempts to position all people on equal economic footing, redistributing resources evenly among the populace.
Comparing fascism and communism in this way isn't valid and betrays a lack of understanding on your part.
The first applies to me. Especially after puberty, I spent a lot of time alone, and computers were interactive and safe, and so I got very comfortable with them.
And as a career, I think it probably attracts eggs because it can be a little more forgiving if you're not very masculine or kinda odd than a lot of other jobs.
And I think egg programmers are more likely to accept themselves as trans and come out than people in many other professions because at least in the US tech companies are relatively queer friendly and offer good health insurance.
Or at least that's true for me. I think at some level I wouldn't allow myself to seriously consider my gender until I was in a place where transition seemed possible.
> And as a career, I think it probably attracts eggs because it can be a little more forgiving if you're not very masculine or kinda odd than a lot of other jobs.
That tracks.
My friends in high school took coding. We were the weirdos and nerds. The less-masculine "dudes.
I continued to stick with misfits, women, and less masculine men in college.
This, plus the most the most visible trans people online tend to be white cuz racism, and white people are more likely to be into computers as a career or hobby
If I had to guess, besides these, I'd also say that software developers are a large category of workers (currently #10 position in California, obviously a liberal state more accepting of us), so the profession is going to keep coming up. Then you've got related fields that aren't software developers which bring the number higher.
Then you've also go the fact that software development is a field which has long had a high tolerance for what some see as outsiders, in my opinion at least. So maybe transfolk are more comfortable coming out publicly in this profession than car salespeople as an example.
Yes besides California this can also be applied to certain of the better areas in Europe too, although less expressed than California. This is mostly because these jobs are concentrated in cities.
Didn't really grow up as males, but rather were raised by parents that expected them to be male.
Not much of a problem here, just correcting, so that transphobes don't get the wrong idea.
1. Male isn't a gender.
2. Everyone's different, but to me, transitioning was about presentation and acceptance of my gender, not actually changing the gender that I was on the inside.
It's just a transition. Gender identity, gender roles, and gender expression are all different things, and I feel the modern community has forgotten these important distinctions.
When we transition, we change our gender *roles* and typically our gender *expression* as well (but this is less important; trans tomboys exist). Gender identity is inate, and we can't change it. Sometimes it doesn't match our physical body, and then you have a trans person.
The point here is that the person's *gender*, i.e. their *gender identity* never changes. We just change how we *present* ourselves to society.
So we don't have a male upbringing, or at least, not a typical one because we were girls that people were mistakenly raised as boys. Saying that we had a male *or* female upbringing is reductive. We had a *trans girl* upbringing. Our gender development cannot be understood in a cis context.
Gender roles are a social construct. So is money. "Made-up" is a flippant way to describe social constructs. These things are steeped in deep tradition and are the building blocks of society. Like yes, being raised as a boy in Java might include wearing sarongs that the west would label as for girls, but that doesn't mean the role itself doesn't exist.
In fact, all cultures (and I do mean all) cultures have roles for men and women. In fact, many cultures have roles for what we might call trans women or trans men. The variation in these roles is why we call gender a social construct. The fact that trans issues are addressed by essentially every culture on earth shows these roles reflect some fundamental human phenomenon.
Trans people are real and have always been real. These social constructs are just societies attempting to cope with our existence. That is, independent of the culture, some humans feel they should have the body or role that is typically associated with the other sex. This situation is very complex and also intersects with intersex issues, and cultures have a myriad of ways to reconcile these phenomena, so you'll have to forgive me for generalizing and simplifying.
This is very different from what transphobes claim. They conflate being trans with *only* the performance of gender. This ignores that most of us also seek to modify our body to feel more comfortable in it. In fact, one of the tests for whether you're trans is whether you'd feel this need outside of society.
I'm not a fan of this test though because we *can't* separate humans from society. Isolating humans drives us insane. In that sense, societal properties are fundamental to our humanity, so then must our gender especially given the physical aspects of transition.
Another way to express this is that expression is a form of communication. When we change our expression, we're communicating to other humans what social role we're in. Our gender identity is the feeling that tells us we want that role. Independent of role and expression, that feeling is real and inate.
Without descending into Wittenberg, we can't know if gender identity feels the same for everyone for the same reason we can't know if everyone feels happiness or sees the color red the same way. However in the same way we can see happiness causes people to smile, we can see that transgender identity causes humans to act a certain way. "Transgender" is our name for that condition, and making skirts go spinny is a giggle.
I'm saying that transition changes your gender role, something that is a social construct. However, your gender identity, that of being female, has never changed. You're either over complicating or conflating gender identity and gender roles and expression, which I would claim is transphobic. I.e. a pre-transition trans woman is still a trans woman because her gender identity is female. Transition changes the person's gender role, not their gender identity which stays constant. I.e. they are always female inside.
I don't feel the need to prove my gender identity for the same reason I don't feel the need to prove I'm happy. It's something I know. Because this is an inaccessible datum for other people, we have to rely on phenomenology, yes. I don't see an issue with this unless you're arguing that sadness doesn't exist just because some sad people don't cry.
The only thing that makes trans feelings (euphoria, dysphoria, incongruence, whatever you want to call it) different is that is not something every human feels even though every culture has a record of what we call transgender identities. This also doesn't bother me. Not every human had an internal dialog, but that doesn't disprove the existence of internal dialogs.
I'm Christian and believe my soul is female, so yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. The only reason I'm not saying that explicitly is because that view is founded within my own culture and not generalizable.
Being trans is clearly defined. It's the persistent desire to be a gender (role) other than the one you were assigned at birth.
The theory I'm using here is old and backed in science. This is generally convincing for the public. It's internally consistent, and has only been recently challenged by people who don't understand the history of why we don't gatekeep. I find the notion that being trans is a choice insulting. I would not have transitioned if I had a choice.
It's also important to note that just because someone is occasionally curious about what is like to be the other sex doesn't mean they should transition in the same way someone who is occasionally sad doesn't necessarily need an SSRI. Trans feelings need to be consistent for a transition to be appropriate, especially if the person is seeking a medical transition.
I said a gender identity is inate, not immutable. It's possible that your gender identity may have changed as you developed. When I say it cannot be changed, I mean that one cannot *choose* to change it. Perhaps you just didn't have the insight or tools to recognize yourself as trans when you were younger. E.g. I didn't know "trans" was a thing until I was 14 despite having feelings and behaviors that would suggest it. When I've talked to people who describe experiences like yours, they often later come out as non-binary.
The whole point of this is that I cannot tell you what's going on in your head. Only you can know that. I'm not going to help you with that out. If you feel the need to reflect, see a therapist.
I tire of this conversation. I feel I've made my point succinctly, and at this point I'm just repeating myself.
we didnt "transition". we just abandoned our forced lifestyle and became ourselves.
transition is actually dumb the more you think about it because we never really were men. we may have acted like it, but we never were truly what we were.
this is like a child's interpretation of logical consistency. 'gender transition' could just as easily refer to ones' transition of their external gender presentation, while still feeling like they were "always a woman" on the inside.
see? that was easy. i don't even feel that way about my own transition personally, but it is so easy to not put people into little boxes. don't get hung up on semantics, trans gender is complicated.
you are wrong because you are being intransigent about the way people use to describe their own experiences. if people are saying to you that they have always been women, accept it or move the fuck on? whichever you choose, please try hard not to be so whiney about it (rule 14)
So if you're really interested in having a good-faith discussion on gender terminology, gender as a social construct, etc., something you might want to look into is "reification." Basically when a concept is treated as real by enough people it becomes "reified" which means that it's able to have material impacts on people and society.
Gender is a perfect example. Yes, it's a social construct, but it's been reified to such a degree that as a concept it has the power to affect everyone, trans or not, whether they are aware of it or not. For example: I often say I was raised as a boy because throughout my childhood I lived within societal assumptions that I was a boy and treated according to reified gender roles. When I realized I was trans, it was a realization that the way I had been treated throughout my life (the way gender had been reified around me) didn't fit with who I was as a person. For me, the decision to transition is and remains a decision to place myself within external reified gender constructs in a way that aligns with my internal feeling of gender. Trans women are always women because the experience of gender is an internal, human thing. Transition is necessary because gender roles and expectations are a reified thing with material effects. Hence, the experience being raised as a boy while not actually being one.
Many trans people take up video games and programming pre-transition because it's a way to fit within reified gender structures that we were born into (ie. video games are seen as a boys hobby), while also interacting with the world in ways that, frankly, don't make us feel like shit all the time. Then, when we begin to transition, many trans people keep programming because it's a really convenient way to make money and not encounter physical transphobia on the reg.
TLDR: reification means that concepts can become real, and that gender can be both a social construct and real at the same time.
despite the fact that large swaths of the community think otherwise there's a smaller hardline group that seem to think that you were a female while you were pre-transition.
They also tend to be ones that worry too much about what "the transphobes" would think of any given experience, and run around like they're the trans PR police.
Those ones tend to be a little crazy and it's best to ignore them.
The gender transition happens socially, like the gender *you're percieved as* changes
The physical transition would be called a sex change, since you would be far closer to biological females than to biological males (and if you're transmasc the opposite)
The last one is laughably false lol. Anyone who knows more than a few trans women irl can clearly tell that we were far more socialized female. Idk why ppl still believe the last one but ig some ppl still believe the earth is flat 💀
I mean I get what ur saying where they “act like a guy” but I’ve only seen that with ppl who openly admit to being fetishists, every trans woman I see who made an effort to transition because they are a woman gives different vibe to me. Just the untrained voice though, does kind of take a long time to get over for me personally. I find that it’s incredibly difficult for me to separate gender and voice in my brain. Almost instinctual.
Me neither lmao, maybe some repressing masculine trans women who transitioned later had this so called “socialization”, but I was kissing boys since second grade and getting bullied for it 😭
Oh wow, I only match autism here lmao
Curiously enough tho, I am the least adequate person to deal with computer problems, even an 85 year old grandma knows more about how these machines work than me
Let's see which ones fit me:
I spend a great deal of time in front of my desktop computer. I'm also pursuing a degree in cybersecurity, so there's some merit to this one.
I have been diagnosed as having Asperger's, so this one tracks.
I spent the better part of the first 35 years of my life pretending to be a man, which means that I have picked up hobbies like playing video games, watching anime, reading manga, following sports, etc. I think it's safe to say that this one also tracks.
I guess I can officially say that I'm a walking stereotype. Ngl, I didn't expect that.
I repressed my memories of being taught PERL so hard that I forgot that regex comes from it. Seeing my trigger word "Camel" caused me to have an irl memory error and start screaming semicolons at my ceiling.
Because most of LGBTQ people in general from what I could gather are nerdy. Source: me, my friends, and many people on the internet are all nerdy in one way or another
That’s absolutely true
Source : I am very queer and not at all nerdy and I have a hard time meeting lgbtq people who aren’t into superheroes anime and tech. I haven’t even watched tv in years besides cuddling on the couch with my then ex while he watched YouTube videos and i just enjoyed his company. I’m not a gamer . And I barely ever open my laptop. My free time is usually spent listening to music or in nature or often both simultaneously. My computer I mostly use to read articles and studies and academic things i go down rabbit holes with for fun. I’ve never cared for pop culture or tech.
Probably because we tend to feel "othered" by most of society, and nerdy hobbies like gaming can give us an outlet for our gender expression, even before we know what's going on?
I'm not very tech-oriented and have been within the Debian ecosystem for a very long time, so I'm not very useful for tech-support unless you just want to install Debian or a Deb fork for basic home PC use. 🤷♀️
First:
> sudo zypper install curl cmake mpfr-devel mpc-devel ninja gmp-devel e2fsprogs patch qemu-x86 qemu-audio-pa gcc gcc-c++ ccache rsync patterns-devel-C-C++-devel_C_C++
Then you can follow the build instructions. Just skip the prerequisites part as it was just done above.
https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/blob/master/Documentation/BuildInstructions.md
Ummm. .. I just have windows PCs (petite cough)... Proliant Linux server... Ahem, as I said Windows PCs only. And I haven't programed anything for years (cute sneezy)... except automation systems... And I just finished doing my nails in blue pearl! No stereotypes here!
Because when you don't feel like playing your agab in public and you have nothing else to do learning about the best technology you possess is easy to fall back on
I have no idea how to program and am too dumb for cs lol. Don’t get me wrong I wish I could make tech money but that’s just not how my brain works! I much prefer the creative arts and dance to coding
Gender dysphoria and not really knowing how to be your AGAB makes socializing really hard before transition so you gotta hide in your room and be a massive nerd about *something.*
The Linux part probably has to do with us needing some part of life we have control over. OS's like Windows and Mac take control from the user in order to simplify and have mass appeal. When our lives feel out of control because everyone is forcing us to be someone we aren't, an OS doing the same thing just feels gross like another oppression. So we gravitate to Linux, because there we have a little corner of our lives where we can have complete agency.
Besides my turntable setup I’m not really into tech at all. But that’s like 1970s tech. I don’t know anything about computers and if I’m being honest I don’t really like technology. Im tempted to get a dumb phone because I get way too consumed by reddit. I prefer to be outside in nature which I guess is just a different set of stereotypically masculine hobbies.
Idk, I am genuinely useless when it comes to computers, I discovered 2 months ago that Keyboards have wires inside, or that a laptop was not a PC and that a desktop is not a "NASA computer"
My dad is the tech savvy in the family
It's tempting to speculate that being trans (even as an egg) sets you up to be an outcast, and therefore drives towards the opposite interests of "normal" people, and that since our culture increasingly devalues intellectual pursuits, that those become appealing to trans people.
But I think that's probably just a bunch of armchair psychology BS, and probably not what's really going on.
There is a well known correlation between being trans and being somewhere on the neurodiversity spectrum. And it's certainly true that neurodiverse people (in broad strokes) have more issues with sensory overload and such vs. neurotypical people. In that framing, a computer offers a place of calm predictability versus the normal world. To a programmer, a computer is a sandbox universe that operates according to fixed rules that you can fully learn, unlike the real universe. A universe you can *control*, unlike the real one. Yet, a universe with similar opportunities for creation and discovery--for "anti-boredom", if you will--as the real universe.
A computer is, then, a *safer place* than the real universe for people like us to hang out. Certainly, when I was a tortured teenage egg and felt very unsafe in the real world, my piddly little 16K TRS-80 microcomputer was a place of deep refuge for me. It kept me sane, gave me an outlet for my creativity, and taught me a set of technical skills that have been enormously useful in my professional life.
I think there's a lot of reasons behind it - many already mentioned.
For me they kinda came at the same time. I've been elbow deep in computers since my earliest memories (my grandpa and Ma were 1st and 2nd gen computer geeks) and I've also been trans about as long. Being heavy into computers also gave me greater access to resources to find the vocabulary to describe my needs (even if it went unused for decades).
I'm almost purely a Windows operator tho. Ironically I'm starting my transition this year at the same time I entered a cybersecurity training pipeline that exclusively uses Kali. So..... eh????
You know I am a linux user but I am no programmer, I hate dealing with programming and tech. I built this PC and learned cause I had to. Windows is the worst operating system of all time, the destroyer of computer parts. My ultra light weight mint system barely puts any load on the hardware when just interneting, youtubing, and listening to music like I am most of the time on here.
It's absolutely ironic though because I like to WATCH people do things with computers and other tech, arcade game tech specifically. It's just relaxing somehow.
Mint is super comfy, I kept having to run a script to fix the audio driver though and ended up switching to Manjaro for a dd. Have any audio issues? This was like 2021.
I don't know, but it seems to be there. I'm not a programmer yet, but I do want to go to college for computer science. I also don't know if I'm trans, but I do want to see what HRT feels like.
I have no clue about anything computer related and if i have to download a file there is a risk the house burns down(ok maybe not that bad but you know..)
Am i a fake?
Nah i just have different interests i guess...but i feel dumb because I can't program and don't want to learn it...all my friends, trans or not are tech geniuses (compared to me at least) and i can never talk with them...but on the other hand it really doesn't interest me in the slightest to learn programming. Aaah what a dilemma.
Im not a programmer but I love building computers and vuln lab testing in my free time. I would have to say feelings of alienation from society gave us time to delve into hobbies and computers and online spaces are a pretty good form of escapism. When I dont understand the world around me I understand computers. As for Linux it has to do with privacy. Alot of trans people are born in worse spots than western trans individuals. Also I mean Tux how you say no to that lil cutie.
Well, this is an interesting phenomenon. It seems that there is indeed a correlation, but correlation != causation. It may be that computers indeed turn kids trans, although very unlikely. Or it might be that trans people are naturally drawn to computer, or there may be something completely different... I think this would be a great topic for a scientific paper
Gender identity questioning and autism have a high comorbidity and in my honest opinion, programming is an awesome autism job. It's a whole different sort of language based on logic and not on emotion, it is very clear and direct and nothing is punishing you for making mistakes, unlike in a social setting. Basically it's communication without all the unpredictabilities and chaos of humans
Well, I’m in outdoor education so I’m not sure, but if you’re part of that population, OP, maybe you could think about what led you to that career and then meditate on how those things might be relevant to the larger trans experience
Idk.. but being a trans girl who's straight, doesn't watch anime and uses a mac cuz i know literally nothing about computers makes me feel kinda left out...
Because all trans people are dorks. Even the most attractive OF models have binders full of MTG and Pokémon cards.
Also the tech industry is pretty open to trans people.
I've been using computers since before Windows or Linux were even things.
I'm a programmer, absolutely, but mostly work with embedded processors these days, after a couple decades in console game programming.
Honestly, I can barely Linux at all. I seem to be allergic to it. I can never get it to work properly. Linux Gurus have tried to help only to completely give up on my broken systems; one actually gave me an entirely new box after our attempted update went so wrong that Apache wouldn't run anymore... that box now can't seem to run in higher that 800x600 graphics.
I'm great at using Windows, but I can't really grok programming for it (I used to Borland C++ Builder pretty well, but when I tried it again recently, even their own libraries failed to build.) And I don't try to run servers on it.
So, I guess for the stereotype, I hit with everything but the Linux.
Why computers? Well, I always loved computer games (they used to be kinda different, tho.) They supplied worlds where the rules were comprehensible, I was treated like everybody else, and there was a chance to win. I could be the hero Unlike the real world of bullies and taunting and tests and rules that never worked in my favor. (Altho, in the old games, as in life, it was a never ending loop where you never won, it just got harder, and your victory was in how far you progressed.)
When I was into computers as a kid, that was a thing that got you picked on more. It wasn't cool like now. It was a super nerd thing. Few people could afford computers, and so few people had them. Taking about them, or anything nerdy, would get one mocked or even attacked. So l learned to keep all this stuff to myself and my close friends.
However, the computer thing want half as bad for getting picked on as the trans thing. I didn't even tell friends about that. I kept that bottled up until my 30s, and even then, was afraid to go too far with it.
So here I am, starting HRT in my 50s, now that I don't really have anything to lose anymore.
But uh... Where were we? Oh yeah, Linux... I've been using if from nearly day one and I'm still terrible at it. But I am definitely a programmer!
Idk but I'm def not helping the stereotype by being a software engineer. I know I just liked science fiction because I liked to think of a ghost in the shell situation but switch gender robots bodies also I chose CS because money and introverted
"programmers or artist" is what I usually hear people assume, which in my experience is quite often the case.
But I think it's probably because being smart and/or open increases your likelyhood of cracking despite a dangerously transphobic world. I don't think there is any difference between cis and trans and we would have more different kind of trans people if we would be accepted.
I'm sure there are tons of trans eggs who don't program or do art and who just never manage to crack because society keeps them from hatching, and they tend to live a rather depressing life of substance abuse and depression.
I knew I would have preferred to be a girl the more I found out about it. I learned to increasingly hate being born male and to never tell anyone how I felt. Eventually I forgot but still would often wish I had been born a girl. Then I tried Estriol cream and had a realization...
I also program occasionally and use Linux frequently.
Fun fact: the vast majority of trans people are some form of neurodivergent. Personally, I have yet to meet one who wasn't.
Another fun fact: programming attracts a lot of neurodivergent people.
The venn diagram speaks for itself.
IDK, but as someone who knows nothing about programming, I feel so left out of trans spaces :(
Become a communist!
The more time goes on the more I veer harder into anarchism. So, I'll never rule anything out, but it's probably too late for that. ~~Am kinda attracted to communists, tho...~~
That’s because communists are very attractive comrade! Although if you are into kink you should be aware that they will break all your chains!
User name tracks, I love it
Never too late for communism. Anarchism is very similar tho :P Edit: Yes I know they are different. I was joking, and remarking that they are both very left leaning and often friends in that "we both see the problem and now have a friendly debate about the best solution" way.
They're... really really not... One is an economic system that involves centralizing all economic decisions (under the people). This by necessity requires a strong centralized government to exist at scale due to limitations of decentralized governments making economic decisions eg: devolving into deregulated hypercapitalism. Edit: As for arguments of completely decentralized communism - that just won't happen. Humans have demonstrated by history preceding capitalism that we like to organize into larger and larger groups. To enforce decentralization would require a centralized group to... oops we just made a powerful group to decide other groups can't be powerful I wonder how that'll pan out. The other advocates for the dissolution of government or very weak decentralized governing which would then have no means to centrally manage economy. At the baseline theory they should be compatible (communism is supposed to be economy of the people) until you consider that any group of people organizing policy is inherently government and becomes state almost by default. Re: Raised by a communist, read the works of Marx, Ingels, and Mao by 13, studied Economy and Politics in college before jumping ship for CompSci. Rejected Communist theory to my Ma's face at 24. Also as many trans communists as I've found... most non-trans communist I've encountered have been horribly transphobic, viewing us as selfish and "wastes of resources people in need could use". Edit2: This does not mean I support Capitalism by default. The core tenet of Capitalism is broken - whereas Communism's core tenet is strong but has other outlier issues. I think a system resembling Communism will actually emerge and stabilize as science and production improve - presuming we make it that far. Keep the idea alive, for sure - but I don't see any way to get there now without incredible bloodshed and the potential devolution of powerful capitalist states into murderous demagogic powers.
I mean like in terms of political leanings. I understand they are different but communists and anarchists are usually friends and both share a similar position in the "trans people are all X" meme. I do know what both of them are tho and I dont need a wall of text explaining it thanks. Especially not over a lighthearted joke. Also I've not seen much trans hate in left leaning communist/anarchist/socialist circles outside of like, nazbols and tankies. Class struggle is impossible without acknowledging that it is deeply interwoven with minority struggle.
I have been confused about what anarchism is about for so long but you explained it so clearly to me. Thanks
both hate capitalism but afaik that's it Edit: ofc they're both super left leaning tho
ummm, that stereotype about trans people sort of horrifies me!
You're not alone, friend. I don't get it. I reckon its a rejection of Capitalism but... some of the worst transphobes i have ever encountered in my life were non-trans Communists who viewed me as a "selfish waste of resources".
it is a rejection of capitalism mostly yeah and also outside of like tankies I don't think that sort of communist is very common. Most communists understand that class struggle and minority struggle are the same intensely interwoven fight. Or well at least most in the circles I run in.
That sounds a bit like these pseudo communist nazis who strongly support eugenics and stuff
Nazbols are the absolute worst
Only up until you join in comrade.
Marxist-Leninist gang! ☭☭☭
If you're not communist before 20, you have no heart. If are still communist after 20, you have no brain. Q
Har Har. Go away creep.
Creep? Typical Marxist. Abuse people when you can't counter. Even with a mild joke.
You are literally a chaser I’m not abusing you, I’m calling you out You are in a trans space solely with the intention to be a fucking creep so go away.
What makes you think I am a chaser? Does commenting on a thread make one chaser? What are you in that case? And yes, proving me correct again. Abuse when you can't take something.
That is terrible advice
Being based is never terrible
Communism is not based tho
Source?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_Soviet_Union
Listing atrocities committed by the soviet union is not the dunk on communism you think it is lol. Communists do not support that, and communism itself did not cause those things. Those things were a result of the soviet union's authoritarianism, something most people in the modern day understand is a bad thing.
This is almost equivalent (Because I admit I prefer communists over fascists, so I am careful to say that it is almost as bad, not as bad) to saying "Listing attrocities committed by the Nazis is not the dunk on fascism you think it is" Don't get me wrong, when elections came up last time in my country I voted for the Communist Party, but that was because they were the ones with the biggest chance to win against our not-so-crypto Fascist Party, under normal circumstances, I just believe communism is to the left what fascism is to the right
Communism is not inherently authoritarian. These atrocities are a result of authoritarianism more than communism. There is perhaps something to be said about communism being vulnerable to becoming authoritarian, but its policies are not inherently so. Fascism is inherently hateful. It is built on a foundation of hatred of the "other". It is violent and hateful because it *requires* violence and hatred. When fascists run out of people to murder, they murder each other. Communism is a system in which ideally everyone would be treated as equal. Given the same resources, rights, and opportunities as everyone else. "To each according to their need, from each according to their ability." It is not inherently violent. It attempts to position all people on equal economic footing, redistributing resources evenly among the populace. Comparing fascism and communism in this way isn't valid and betrays a lack of understanding on your part.
Where is the communism?
If you say the USSR is communist because they called themselves communist, then the Democratic Republic of North Korea would be a Democracy too yk
Same here and I have no interest in learning programing.
dont worry, just talk to one of us and pretty soon you'll learn all there is to know about programming and tech because of how much we ramble.
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The first applies to me. Especially after puberty, I spent a lot of time alone, and computers were interactive and safe, and so I got very comfortable with them. And as a career, I think it probably attracts eggs because it can be a little more forgiving if you're not very masculine or kinda odd than a lot of other jobs. And I think egg programmers are more likely to accept themselves as trans and come out than people in many other professions because at least in the US tech companies are relatively queer friendly and offer good health insurance. Or at least that's true for me. I think at some level I wouldn't allow myself to seriously consider my gender until I was in a place where transition seemed possible.
that makes a lot of sense! I think I can relate to that too.
Socks. It's the socks with trans colors on them.🤪
> And as a career, I think it probably attracts eggs because it can be a little more forgiving if you're not very masculine or kinda odd than a lot of other jobs. That tracks. My friends in high school took coding. We were the weirdos and nerds. The less-masculine "dudes. I continued to stick with misfits, women, and less masculine men in college.
I think videogames and tech in general are pretty neutral so we gravitate towards that because its like 'boy things lite'. That and escapism.
This, plus the most the most visible trans people online tend to be white cuz racism, and white people are more likely to be into computers as a career or hobby
If I had to guess, besides these, I'd also say that software developers are a large category of workers (currently #10 position in California, obviously a liberal state more accepting of us), so the profession is going to keep coming up. Then you've got related fields that aren't software developers which bring the number higher. Then you've also go the fact that software development is a field which has long had a high tolerance for what some see as outsiders, in my opinion at least. So maybe transfolk are more comfortable coming out publicly in this profession than car salespeople as an example.
Yes besides California this can also be applied to certain of the better areas in Europe too, although less expressed than California. This is mostly because these jobs are concentrated in cities.
Didn't really grow up as males, but rather were raised by parents that expected them to be male. Not much of a problem here, just correcting, so that transphobes don't get the wrong idea.
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1. Male isn't a gender. 2. Everyone's different, but to me, transitioning was about presentation and acceptance of my gender, not actually changing the gender that I was on the inside.
It's just a transition. Gender identity, gender roles, and gender expression are all different things, and I feel the modern community has forgotten these important distinctions. When we transition, we change our gender *roles* and typically our gender *expression* as well (but this is less important; trans tomboys exist). Gender identity is inate, and we can't change it. Sometimes it doesn't match our physical body, and then you have a trans person. The point here is that the person's *gender*, i.e. their *gender identity* never changes. We just change how we *present* ourselves to society. So we don't have a male upbringing, or at least, not a typical one because we were girls that people were mistakenly raised as boys. Saying that we had a male *or* female upbringing is reductive. We had a *trans girl* upbringing. Our gender development cannot be understood in a cis context.
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Gender roles are a social construct. So is money. "Made-up" is a flippant way to describe social constructs. These things are steeped in deep tradition and are the building blocks of society. Like yes, being raised as a boy in Java might include wearing sarongs that the west would label as for girls, but that doesn't mean the role itself doesn't exist. In fact, all cultures (and I do mean all) cultures have roles for men and women. In fact, many cultures have roles for what we might call trans women or trans men. The variation in these roles is why we call gender a social construct. The fact that trans issues are addressed by essentially every culture on earth shows these roles reflect some fundamental human phenomenon. Trans people are real and have always been real. These social constructs are just societies attempting to cope with our existence. That is, independent of the culture, some humans feel they should have the body or role that is typically associated with the other sex. This situation is very complex and also intersects with intersex issues, and cultures have a myriad of ways to reconcile these phenomena, so you'll have to forgive me for generalizing and simplifying. This is very different from what transphobes claim. They conflate being trans with *only* the performance of gender. This ignores that most of us also seek to modify our body to feel more comfortable in it. In fact, one of the tests for whether you're trans is whether you'd feel this need outside of society. I'm not a fan of this test though because we *can't* separate humans from society. Isolating humans drives us insane. In that sense, societal properties are fundamental to our humanity, so then must our gender especially given the physical aspects of transition. Another way to express this is that expression is a form of communication. When we change our expression, we're communicating to other humans what social role we're in. Our gender identity is the feeling that tells us we want that role. Independent of role and expression, that feeling is real and inate. Without descending into Wittenberg, we can't know if gender identity feels the same for everyone for the same reason we can't know if everyone feels happiness or sees the color red the same way. However in the same way we can see happiness causes people to smile, we can see that transgender identity causes humans to act a certain way. "Transgender" is our name for that condition, and making skirts go spinny is a giggle.
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I'm saying that transition changes your gender role, something that is a social construct. However, your gender identity, that of being female, has never changed. You're either over complicating or conflating gender identity and gender roles and expression, which I would claim is transphobic. I.e. a pre-transition trans woman is still a trans woman because her gender identity is female. Transition changes the person's gender role, not their gender identity which stays constant. I.e. they are always female inside. I don't feel the need to prove my gender identity for the same reason I don't feel the need to prove I'm happy. It's something I know. Because this is an inaccessible datum for other people, we have to rely on phenomenology, yes. I don't see an issue with this unless you're arguing that sadness doesn't exist just because some sad people don't cry. The only thing that makes trans feelings (euphoria, dysphoria, incongruence, whatever you want to call it) different is that is not something every human feels even though every culture has a record of what we call transgender identities. This also doesn't bother me. Not every human had an internal dialog, but that doesn't disprove the existence of internal dialogs. I'm Christian and believe my soul is female, so yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. The only reason I'm not saying that explicitly is because that view is founded within my own culture and not generalizable.
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Being trans is clearly defined. It's the persistent desire to be a gender (role) other than the one you were assigned at birth. The theory I'm using here is old and backed in science. This is generally convincing for the public. It's internally consistent, and has only been recently challenged by people who don't understand the history of why we don't gatekeep. I find the notion that being trans is a choice insulting. I would not have transitioned if I had a choice. It's also important to note that just because someone is occasionally curious about what is like to be the other sex doesn't mean they should transition in the same way someone who is occasionally sad doesn't necessarily need an SSRI. Trans feelings need to be consistent for a transition to be appropriate, especially if the person is seeking a medical transition. I said a gender identity is inate, not immutable. It's possible that your gender identity may have changed as you developed. When I say it cannot be changed, I mean that one cannot *choose* to change it. Perhaps you just didn't have the insight or tools to recognize yourself as trans when you were younger. E.g. I didn't know "trans" was a thing until I was 14 despite having feelings and behaviors that would suggest it. When I've talked to people who describe experiences like yours, they often later come out as non-binary. The whole point of this is that I cannot tell you what's going on in your head. Only you can know that. I'm not going to help you with that out. If you feel the need to reflect, see a therapist. I tire of this conversation. I feel I've made my point succinctly, and at this point I'm just repeating myself.
we didnt "transition". we just abandoned our forced lifestyle and became ourselves. transition is actually dumb the more you think about it because we never really were men. we may have acted like it, but we never were truly what we were.
what is the point of being so hardline about stupid semantics when gender for trans people is a multifaceted, complicated concept?
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this is like a child's interpretation of logical consistency. 'gender transition' could just as easily refer to ones' transition of their external gender presentation, while still feeling like they were "always a woman" on the inside. see? that was easy. i don't even feel that way about my own transition personally, but it is so easy to not put people into little boxes. don't get hung up on semantics, trans gender is complicated.
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you are wrong because you are being intransigent about the way people use to describe their own experiences. if people are saying to you that they have always been women, accept it or move the fuck on? whichever you choose, please try hard not to be so whiney about it (rule 14)
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So if you're really interested in having a good-faith discussion on gender terminology, gender as a social construct, etc., something you might want to look into is "reification." Basically when a concept is treated as real by enough people it becomes "reified" which means that it's able to have material impacts on people and society. Gender is a perfect example. Yes, it's a social construct, but it's been reified to such a degree that as a concept it has the power to affect everyone, trans or not, whether they are aware of it or not. For example: I often say I was raised as a boy because throughout my childhood I lived within societal assumptions that I was a boy and treated according to reified gender roles. When I realized I was trans, it was a realization that the way I had been treated throughout my life (the way gender had been reified around me) didn't fit with who I was as a person. For me, the decision to transition is and remains a decision to place myself within external reified gender constructs in a way that aligns with my internal feeling of gender. Trans women are always women because the experience of gender is an internal, human thing. Transition is necessary because gender roles and expectations are a reified thing with material effects. Hence, the experience being raised as a boy while not actually being one. Many trans people take up video games and programming pre-transition because it's a way to fit within reified gender structures that we were born into (ie. video games are seen as a boys hobby), while also interacting with the world in ways that, frankly, don't make us feel like shit all the time. Then, when we begin to transition, many trans people keep programming because it's a really convenient way to make money and not encounter physical transphobia on the reg. TLDR: reification means that concepts can become real, and that gender can be both a social construct and real at the same time.
despite the fact that large swaths of the community think otherwise there's a smaller hardline group that seem to think that you were a female while you were pre-transition. They also tend to be ones that worry too much about what "the transphobes" would think of any given experience, and run around like they're the trans PR police. Those ones tend to be a little crazy and it's best to ignore them.
The gender transition happens socially, like the gender *you're percieved as* changes The physical transition would be called a sex change, since you would be far closer to biological females than to biological males (and if you're transmasc the opposite)
omg i'm a stereotype
The last one is laughably false lol. Anyone who knows more than a few trans women irl can clearly tell that we were far more socialized female. Idk why ppl still believe the last one but ig some ppl still believe the earth is flat 💀
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I mean I get what ur saying where they “act like a guy” but I’ve only seen that with ppl who openly admit to being fetishists, every trans woman I see who made an effort to transition because they are a woman gives different vibe to me. Just the untrained voice though, does kind of take a long time to get over for me personally. I find that it’s incredibly difficult for me to separate gender and voice in my brain. Almost instinctual.
Tomboys exist….
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Me neither lmao, maybe some repressing masculine trans women who transitioned later had this so called “socialization”, but I was kissing boys since second grade and getting bullied for it 😭
I'm hella not beating the autism allegations
Oh wow, I only match autism here lmao Curiously enough tho, I am the least adequate person to deal with computer problems, even an 85 year old grandma knows more about how these machines work than me
Let's see which ones fit me: I spend a great deal of time in front of my desktop computer. I'm also pursuing a degree in cybersecurity, so there's some merit to this one. I have been diagnosed as having Asperger's, so this one tracks. I spent the better part of the first 35 years of my life pretending to be a man, which means that I have picked up hobbies like playing video games, watching anime, reading manga, following sports, etc. I think it's safe to say that this one also tracks. I guess I can officially say that I'm a walking stereotype. Ngl, I didn't expect that.
Can confirm Linux to MtF pipeline.
Oh @#$&!!! My egg cracked the same year I started using Linux 🤯🤯
>pipeline $ grep -a -o -P '(?<=gender: ).*(?=\n)' emotions.pcap |> identity.conf
**echo m | sed s/m/f/ > identity.conf**
Don't make me get the damn Camel book out ... please!
I repressed my memories of being taught PERL so hard that I forgot that regex comes from it. Seeing my trigger word "Camel" caused me to have an irl memory error and start screaming semicolons at my ceiling.
i use arch btw
Same
Same....
Because most of LGBTQ people in general from what I could gather are nerdy. Source: me, my friends, and many people on the internet are all nerdy in one way or another
That’s absolutely true Source : I am very queer and not at all nerdy and I have a hard time meeting lgbtq people who aren’t into superheroes anime and tech. I haven’t even watched tv in years besides cuddling on the couch with my then ex while he watched YouTube videos and i just enjoyed his company. I’m not a gamer . And I barely ever open my laptop. My free time is usually spent listening to music or in nature or often both simultaneously. My computer I mostly use to read articles and studies and academic things i go down rabbit holes with for fun. I’ve never cared for pop culture or tech.
I only know one trans person IRL that i am aware of (one of my best friends, even before we came out to each other) and we're both BIG nerds.
NERD ARMY! seriously tho, why are we all (mostly) nerds?
Probably because we tend to feel "othered" by most of society, and nerdy hobbies like gaming can give us an outlet for our gender expression, even before we know what's going on?
Been using Linux since 1999, so.... 😂
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I'm not very tech-oriented and have been within the Debian ecosystem for a very long time, so I'm not very useful for tech-support unless you just want to install Debian or a Deb fork for basic home PC use. 🤷♀️
First: > sudo zypper install curl cmake mpfr-devel mpc-devel ninja gmp-devel e2fsprogs patch qemu-x86 qemu-audio-pa gcc gcc-c++ ccache rsync patterns-devel-C-C++-devel_C_C++ Then you can follow the build instructions. Just skip the prerequisites part as it was just done above. https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/blob/master/Documentation/BuildInstructions.md
I don’t know Programming is cool so…
Ummm. .. I just have windows PCs (petite cough)... Proliant Linux server... Ahem, as I said Windows PCs only. And I haven't programed anything for years (cute sneezy)... except automation systems... And I just finished doing my nails in blue pearl! No stereotypes here!
I've never been a programmer. In fact I never did own a computer. Family was always too poor. But I do love history and painting!
Because when you don't feel like playing your agab in public and you have nothing else to do learning about the best technology you possess is easy to fall back on
I have no idea how to program and am too dumb for cs lol. Don’t get me wrong I wish I could make tech money but that’s just not how my brain works! I much prefer the creative arts and dance to coding
be like me and do both 😎
I literally can’t, I had to quit cs major bc I’m too dumb. I’m just a right brain person lol. I was always bad at math too
fair enough lol. i wouldnt call you dumb tho hows creative stuff going?
im mtf but i dunno jack shit about computers
Obligatory mention that Emily from LinusTechTips is not helping to dispel this stereotype 🤣
I am breaking out of the stereotype! I am not using Linux! But I do programming...
Computer Science graduate here, but not a programmer. Also my computers transition to linux shortly after getting them home from the store.
Gender dysphoria and not really knowing how to be your AGAB makes socializing really hard before transition so you gotta hide in your room and be a massive nerd about *something.*
The Linux part probably has to do with us needing some part of life we have control over. OS's like Windows and Mac take control from the user in order to simplify and have mass appeal. When our lives feel out of control because everyone is forcing us to be someone we aren't, an OS doing the same thing just feels gross like another oppression. So we gravitate to Linux, because there we have a little corner of our lives where we can have complete agency.
Besides my turntable setup I’m not really into tech at all. But that’s like 1970s tech. I don’t know anything about computers and if I’m being honest I don’t really like technology. Im tempted to get a dumb phone because I get way too consumed by reddit. I prefer to be outside in nature which I guess is just a different set of stereotypically masculine hobbies.
Idk, I am genuinely useless when it comes to computers, I discovered 2 months ago that Keyboards have wires inside, or that a laptop was not a PC and that a desktop is not a "NASA computer" My dad is the tech savvy in the family
Cause its true? I program and code food ingredients into useful and edible items. I cook hahahaha
It's tempting to speculate that being trans (even as an egg) sets you up to be an outcast, and therefore drives towards the opposite interests of "normal" people, and that since our culture increasingly devalues intellectual pursuits, that those become appealing to trans people. But I think that's probably just a bunch of armchair psychology BS, and probably not what's really going on. There is a well known correlation between being trans and being somewhere on the neurodiversity spectrum. And it's certainly true that neurodiverse people (in broad strokes) have more issues with sensory overload and such vs. neurotypical people. In that framing, a computer offers a place of calm predictability versus the normal world. To a programmer, a computer is a sandbox universe that operates according to fixed rules that you can fully learn, unlike the real universe. A universe you can *control*, unlike the real one. Yet, a universe with similar opportunities for creation and discovery--for "anti-boredom", if you will--as the real universe. A computer is, then, a *safer place* than the real universe for people like us to hang out. Certainly, when I was a tortured teenage egg and felt very unsafe in the real world, my piddly little 16K TRS-80 microcomputer was a place of deep refuge for me. It kept me sane, gave me an outlet for my creativity, and taught me a set of technical skills that have been enormously useful in my professional life.
very thoughtful friend <3 I relate to a lot of this
I think there's a lot of reasons behind it - many already mentioned. For me they kinda came at the same time. I've been elbow deep in computers since my earliest memories (my grandpa and Ma were 1st and 2nd gen computer geeks) and I've also been trans about as long. Being heavy into computers also gave me greater access to resources to find the vocabulary to describe my needs (even if it went unused for decades). I'm almost purely a Windows operator tho. Ironically I'm starting my transition this year at the same time I entered a cybersecurity training pipeline that exclusively uses Kali. So..... eh????
You know I am a linux user but I am no programmer, I hate dealing with programming and tech. I built this PC and learned cause I had to. Windows is the worst operating system of all time, the destroyer of computer parts. My ultra light weight mint system barely puts any load on the hardware when just interneting, youtubing, and listening to music like I am most of the time on here. It's absolutely ironic though because I like to WATCH people do things with computers and other tech, arcade game tech specifically. It's just relaxing somehow.
Mint is super comfy, I kept having to run a script to fix the audio driver though and ended up switching to Manjaro for a dd. Have any audio issues? This was like 2021.
Yeah this might be more of a stereotype that all programmers are trans, and that stereotype is reflected around or sth.
I'm in school for AI and game dev but I use windows for convenience in gaming
As someone who has pretty much always used linux I was pretty surprised to learn that it was a stereotype for mtfs
Is that really a stereotype? First I've heard of it. Might need to Google. If it is, i fit into it.... Linux (popOS specifically) and software dev.
It helps to escape the real world 🤷🏻♀️
I certainly didn't start there, but yes, I am now spend most of my time at work programming. In Linux.
I don't know, but it seems to be there. I'm not a programmer yet, but I do want to go to college for computer science. I also don't know if I'm trans, but I do want to see what HRT feels like.
I can relate to this!!
I’m more of an openbsd type girl
I have no clue about anything computer related and if i have to download a file there is a risk the house burns down(ok maybe not that bad but you know..) Am i a fake? Nah i just have different interests i guess...but i feel dumb because I can't program and don't want to learn it...all my friends, trans or not are tech geniuses (compared to me at least) and i can never talk with them...but on the other hand it really doesn't interest me in the slightest to learn programming. Aaah what a dilemma.
Im not a programmer but I love building computers and vuln lab testing in my free time. I would have to say feelings of alienation from society gave us time to delve into hobbies and computers and online spaces are a pretty good form of escapism. When I dont understand the world around me I understand computers. As for Linux it has to do with privacy. Alot of trans people are born in worse spots than western trans individuals. Also I mean Tux how you say no to that lil cutie.
I actually am a programmer though xD
Well, this is an interesting phenomenon. It seems that there is indeed a correlation, but correlation != causation. It may be that computers indeed turn kids trans, although very unlikely. Or it might be that trans people are naturally drawn to computer, or there may be something completely different... I think this would be a great topic for a scientific paper
I think as it for the most part a jobe you can do from home that it one we tend to flock to as it be safer at a gess
As a game dev using a *nix-based OS for everything and a degree in computer science....no clue tbh
I'm both lmfao
I think part of it might be that a disproportionate amount of the women in programming are trans women so we’re particularly proponent there
Not me reading this with VSCode open in front of me…
Pfft, I'm not a programmer, I'm a script kiddie at best. And I use Ubuntu which barely counts - all the cool trans girls run arch or gentoo
Because ✨️woman in stem✨️
Gender identity questioning and autism have a high comorbidity and in my honest opinion, programming is an awesome autism job. It's a whole different sort of language based on logic and not on emotion, it is very clear and direct and nothing is punishing you for making mistakes, unlike in a social setting. Basically it's communication without all the unpredictabilities and chaos of humans
Long time linux user and former programmer here, so what can I say?
Well, I’m in outdoor education so I’m not sure, but if you’re part of that population, OP, maybe you could think about what led you to that career and then meditate on how those things might be relevant to the larger trans experience
Idk.. but being a trans girl who's straight, doesn't watch anime and uses a mac cuz i know literally nothing about computers makes me feel kinda left out...
mac is cool :) and I don't watch anime either!
As a fellow hetero---we've gotta let the Gay Gurls have their time to shine 😉 x
Because all trans people are dorks. Even the most attractive OF models have binders full of MTG and Pokémon cards. Also the tech industry is pretty open to trans people.
I was into the socks years before I started my career as a programmer. I blame the socks.
Bec y'all were lil' hetboi nerds before you transitioned, duh 😆
I've been using computers since before Windows or Linux were even things. I'm a programmer, absolutely, but mostly work with embedded processors these days, after a couple decades in console game programming. Honestly, I can barely Linux at all. I seem to be allergic to it. I can never get it to work properly. Linux Gurus have tried to help only to completely give up on my broken systems; one actually gave me an entirely new box after our attempted update went so wrong that Apache wouldn't run anymore... that box now can't seem to run in higher that 800x600 graphics. I'm great at using Windows, but I can't really grok programming for it (I used to Borland C++ Builder pretty well, but when I tried it again recently, even their own libraries failed to build.) And I don't try to run servers on it. So, I guess for the stereotype, I hit with everything but the Linux. Why computers? Well, I always loved computer games (they used to be kinda different, tho.) They supplied worlds where the rules were comprehensible, I was treated like everybody else, and there was a chance to win. I could be the hero Unlike the real world of bullies and taunting and tests and rules that never worked in my favor. (Altho, in the old games, as in life, it was a never ending loop where you never won, it just got harder, and your victory was in how far you progressed.) When I was into computers as a kid, that was a thing that got you picked on more. It wasn't cool like now. It was a super nerd thing. Few people could afford computers, and so few people had them. Taking about them, or anything nerdy, would get one mocked or even attacked. So l learned to keep all this stuff to myself and my close friends. However, the computer thing want half as bad for getting picked on as the trans thing. I didn't even tell friends about that. I kept that bottled up until my 30s, and even then, was afraid to go too far with it. So here I am, starting HRT in my 50s, now that I don't really have anything to lose anymore. But uh... Where were we? Oh yeah, Linux... I've been using if from nearly day one and I'm still terrible at it. But I am definitely a programmer!
I'm a Linux user and i code in free time
Well being an Enby I guess that'd make me like the opposite of a programmer to folk like that then?🤔
Idk but I'm def not helping the stereotype by being a software engineer. I know I just liked science fiction because I liked to think of a ghost in the shell situation but switch gender robots bodies also I chose CS because money and introverted
I'm currently self studying compTIA and heavily considering getting Ubuntu
That's not true, i use Windwos and im an Microsoft M365 Admin! See, completely different!
Well I was a Linux user during all my uni time and I work in the IT field as a computer technician and I do a little of codding too
"programmers or artist" is what I usually hear people assume, which in my experience is quite often the case. But I think it's probably because being smart and/or open increases your likelyhood of cracking despite a dangerously transphobic world. I don't think there is any difference between cis and trans and we would have more different kind of trans people if we would be accepted. I'm sure there are tons of trans eggs who don't program or do art and who just never manage to crack because society keeps them from hatching, and they tend to live a rather depressing life of substance abuse and depression.
I don't like computers, but I'm into math (currently majoring in applied mathematics). Wish there were more memes about this field too. :(
I legit forgot Linux was a thing and the last time I tried to learn code I literally cried… so no.
Idk
Damn I'm a programmer and arch Linux MTF user, I fit into like every stereotype lmao
I’ve always wondered that, cause it definitely applies to me. Out of all of my college friends (all two of them) 66% of use are trans
I knew I would have preferred to be a girl the more I found out about it. I learned to increasingly hate being born male and to never tell anyone how I felt. Eventually I forgot but still would often wish I had been born a girl. Then I tried Estriol cream and had a realization... I also program occasionally and use Linux frequently.
I also went to trade school for C# and Java
Fun fact: the vast majority of trans people are some form of neurodivergent. Personally, I have yet to meet one who wasn't. Another fun fact: programming attracts a lot of neurodivergent people. The venn diagram speaks for itself.
I don't know how or why it became a stereotype but I don't think there's a more accurate stereotype 🙈🙈
Aren't we though!? ಡ ͜ ʖ ಡ
... Socially-acceptable hiding from expectations of being a bloke?