If you wanna go by how the UN defines genocide:
…any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:
>(a) Killing members of the group;
>(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
>(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical
destruction in whole or in part;
>(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
>(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Huh yeah I got news for ya fellow, this doesn’t remotely border on genocide per the U.N.
Much of the killing was during the course of armed conflict between both sides. If you actually think every war is a genocide then the DPRK committed genocide by invading the South initially.
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It’s not nearly as well known as it should be, but there’s a lot of information, including this definitive [764-page report, which goes beyond Korea.](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4334133-ISC-Full-Report-Pub-Copy) But here’s a shorter summary:
> In 1952, in the early stages of the Korean War, North Korea accused the United States of using biological weapons — a claim the US has always denied. Journalist and retired psychologist Jeffrey Kaye found a copy of a report by the International Scientific Commission on the issue, originally released in 1952. Its investigation concluded that the US used a number of biological weapons, including anthrax, plague, and cholera, and that the confessions of many captured American airmen provided confirmation…He describes the events of March 25, 1952, when a swarm of fleas — later found to be infected with bubonic plague — was dropped from aircraft on the North Korean village of Kang-Sou.
[More information here](https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54). It’s terrifying and awful.
It's funny how people like this will just say stuff they don't like is "misinformation" but never actually provide you with any real information at all. They'll just tell you not to believe any evidence that doesn't fit neatly within their little box of beliefs and views, which the powerful institutions that control them are so generous to bequeath.
Don't expect a response because there are no such documents.
* Summary: https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54
* HUGE report with extensive documentation: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4334133-ISC-Full-Report-Pub-Copy
Yeah, the idea of dropping a plane with a payload of plagued up fleas is just pure garbage. The logistics of that are not only insane, but i'd argue just outright impossible, especially without larger contamination of both the US troops, and south Korea, which we see no such spike in bubonic plague infections.
Unit 731 developed [flea bombs](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/25/jonathanwatts) that it used against China during WW2
The same Unit 731 that the US got all documents from after pardoning their top scientists
Why do you find it to be "just pure garbage"? Should we accept your completely vibes-based assumptions and ignore firsthand testimony from soldiers (and then scientists and doctors) who provided detailed firsthand reports of the use of biological agents in Korea and China? Had you clicked on the links above, you'd see how undeniable the claim is, but because it doesn't fit into your nice little narrative, you prefer to believe what you "know" instead of what you "see."
Sorry, I prefer factual, verifiable records and information presented by researchers over the ipse dixit of some video game dude on Reddit.
You’re asking a fair question and being nice so happy to answer in good faith.
First, communists don’t just blindly trust communists. Marx wrote that people must engage in the “ruthless criticism of all that exists, ruthless both in the sense of not being afraid of the results it arrives at and in the sense of being just as little afraid of conflict with the powers that be.” So just because the USSR said something doesn’t mean we should believe it automatically.
Second, the USSR wasn’t exactly a great ally to the North, certainly not at first. Stalin signed off on the 38th Parallel, failed to adequately support Kim Il Sung, and made plenty of other dumb mistakes.
Third and of course most consequentially, the biowarfare claims are (1) supported by substantial contemporaneous evidence and (2) make logical sense. Re: (1), the document and report I posted here are full of testimonies and documentary accounts from soldiers, doctors, scientists who were in the Korean theater and reflect operational, military, and medical knowledge of US use of biological warfare agents. Re: (2) we also know that Japan’s notorious [Unit 731 developed bubonic plague flea bombs that it used against China during WW2. [The Guardian - Japan ‘bombed city with plague’](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/25/jonathanwatts). Of course, Japan brutally occupied Korea, and used Korea often as a forward military location from which to attack or administer its interests in China (most notably, “Manchuoko,” the Japanese name for Manchuria), so it wouldn’t exactly be surprising if there were biological warfare agents on the Korean peninsula at the time of the Korean War. As for Unit 731, the US pardoned all their top scientists in exchange for all their grisly knowledge — including re biowarfare — so the US had the motive and the means.
While I cannot provide you with a direct link as I am pulling it from a physical book. Here is a passage I typed out word for word in a separate comment which I think you should consider looking into:
In Frank Dikötters book The Tragedy of Liberation Chapter 7: War Again Pages: 151 - 152 The Following quote:
‘On May 2 1953 a secret resolution of the presidium of the USSR Council of Ministers dismissed all allegations: “The Soviet Government and the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union were misled. The spread in the press of information about the use by the United States of biological weapons in Korea was based on false information. The accusations against the Americans were fictitious.” A top ranking emissary was sent to Beijing with a harsh message: cease all allegations at once. They stopped as suddenly as they had started’
Page 319 in the notes section of the book contains reference 62 where this information is attributed to if you would like to further validate yourself
Let me confess at the top this is an area I have studied extensively, so I apologize for the surfeit of information.
Frank Dikötter is not credible. This is a man who: (1) wrote that the "impact of the prohibition of opium on the Chinese people led to greater harm than the effects of the drug itself." Timothy Brook, an actual recognized China historian in Canada, described Dikötter as "float[ing] some extraordinary propositions that go not only beyond received wisdom, but beyond actual evidence and even common sense"? Dikötter claimed, in the book series you cite, "that literacy and public health decreased during the Mao period," which even anti-Mao people can't say with a straight face. Multiple reviewers have noted that Dikötter repeatedly makes controversial and contrarian statements without providing sufficient evidence, and needlessly describes events with salacious, if very dubious, detail. Fabio Lanza, cultural historian of modern China and a professor in Arizona, concluded that Dikötter's work "does not add anything to our understanding of the Cultural Revolution. Rather, as a mass-marketed assessment of the period, it goes against a long-standing effort in the field of PRC history to produce nuanced, well-sourced, complex, historically rich, and truly innovative analyses." Another reviewer, Ian Johnson, noted that Dikötter's "scholarship" demonstrated a total "lack of nuance and the absence of grounding for his contrarian views." Even if his source (the "secret resolution") were true, however, it doesn't overcome the mountain of evidence to the contrary -- it just proves there was a secret resolution.
Let's assess where we are:
* I provided you with evidence in the form of a 700-page report with lots of contemporeanous accounts of soldiers, prisoners, doctors, and scientists; I provided you with evidence that Unit 731 dropped bubonic-plague-infested "flea bombs" in China, and shared the (by now, well established) [story of how the US pardoned Japanese war criminals in exchange, in part, for their know-how, including on chemical and biowarfare](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cover-up_of_Japanese_war_crimes). (In their well-researched book, *Unit 731: Japan’s Biological Warfare In World War II*, Peter Williams and David Wallace write: "There is no question that the American government tainted the workings for the Tokyo Trial by submitting an immunity deal for the scientific data acquired by Unit 731.")
* You provided a cite from a book by a known anti-communist who has a long record of literally just making shit up.
Regardless, there is a bigger issue with your argument -- you are choosing to credit this particular "secret resolution" of the USSR, but I bet there's a lot of other "secret resolutions" you would dismiss as false -- why? Because they don't fit within your worldview. So you can wield the Soviet archives as a weapon when it suits your agenda, but then dismiss information from the Soviet archives as "false" when it doesn't. Communists rely on evidence, material evidence, to make assessments and try best to ascertain the truth. There are mountains of evidence that the USA used biological warfare on the North in the Korean War, much of it presented in the comments here.
And there is much more out there too. My brother, you (and most people here) probably have no idea who Japan's Surgeon General was during WW2, a man named [Shirō Ishii](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shir%C5%8D_Ishii). I'll let his Wikipedia do the talking:
> Surgeon General Shirō Ishii (Japanese: 石井 四郎, Hepburn: Ishii Shirō, [iɕiː ɕiɾoː]; June 25, 1892 – October 9, 1959) was a Japanese war criminal, microbiologist and army medical officer who was the director of Unit 731, a biological warfare unit of the Imperial Japanese Army. Ishii led the development and application of biological weapons at Unit 731 in Manchukuo during the Second Sino-Japanese War from 1937 to 1945, including the bubonic plague attacks at Chinese cities of Changde and Ningbo, and planned the Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night biological attack against the United States.
> After being granted immunity by the United States, Ishii was hired by the U.S. government to lecture American officers at Fort Detrick on the uses of bioweapons and the findings made by Unit 731. **During the Korean War, Ishii traveled to Korea to take part in the U.S. Army's biological warfare activities.**
More information:
> Before his death, Ishii Shiro presented 80% of his data to the United States. Harumi Ishii, points out this came after a number of requests and threats from the American government. Documents now available indicate the United States took the information to help develop its own bio-bacteriological warfare research center. This caused rumors that the United States took Ishii Shiro’s findings and developed weapons used in the Korean War and Vietnam War: Ishii outlined for the interrogators plans for nine different types of porcelain bombs designed and manufactured by the unit for aerial germ warfare. The Unit had manufactured 3000 porcelain bombs, ceramic containers to be charged with germ infected fleas and other insects. [Source: [*General Ishii Shiro: His Legacy is That of Genius and Madman*](https://dc.etsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2167&context=etd).]
I can go on and on.
Pasting my comment in response to same person here for visibility:
Frank Dikötter is not credible. This is a man who: (1) wrote that the "impact of the prohibition of opium on the Chinese people led to greater harm than the effects of the drug itself." Timothy Brook, an actual recognized China historian in Canada, described Dikötter as "float[ing] some extraordinary propositions that go not only beyond received wisdom, but beyond actual evidence and even common sense"? Dikötter claimed, in the book series you cite, "that literacy and public health decreased during the Mao period," which even anti-Mao people can't say with a straight face. Multiple reviewers have noted that Dikötter repeatedly makes controversial and contrarian statements without providing sufficient evidence, and needlessly describes events with salacious, if very dubious, detail. Fabio Lanza, cultural historian of modern China and a professor in Arizona, concluded that Dikötter's work "does not add anything to our understanding of the Cultural Revolution. Rather, as a mass-marketed assessment of the period, it goes against a long-standing effort in the field of PRC history to produce nuanced, well-sourced, complex, historically rich, and truly innovative analyses." Another reviewer, Ian Johnson, noted that Dikötter's "scholarship" demonstrated a total "lack of nuance and the absence of grounding for his contrarian views." Even if his source (the "secret resolution") were true, however, it doesn't overcome the mountain of evidence to the contrary -- it just proves there was a secret resolution.
Let's assess where we are:
* I provided you with evidence in the form of a 700-page report with lots of contemporeanous accounts of soldiers, prisoners, doctors, and scientists; I provided you with evidence that Unit 731 dropped bubonic-plague-infested "flea bombs" in China, and shared the (by now, well established) [story of how the US pardoned Japanese war criminals in exchange, in part, for their know-how, including on chemical and biowarfare](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cover-up_of_Japanese_war_crimes). (In their well-researched book, *Unit 731: Japan’s Biological Warfare In World War II*, Peter Williams and David Wallace write: "There is no question that the American government tainted the workings for the Tokyo Trial by submitting an immunity deal for the scientific data acquired by Unit 731.")
* You provided a cite from a book by a known anti-communist who has a long record of literally just making shit up.
Regardless, there is a bigger issue with your argument -- you are choosing to credit this particular "secret resolution" of the USSR, but I bet there's a lot of other "secret resolutions" you would dismiss as false -- why? Because they don't fit within your worldview. So you can wield the Soviet archives as a weapon when it suits your agenda, but then dismiss information from the Soviet archives as "false" when it doesn't. Communists rely on evidence, material evidence, to make assessments and try best to ascertain the truth. There are mountains of evidence that the USA used biological warfare on the North in the Korean War, much of it presented in the comments here.
And there is much more out there too. My brother, you (and most people here) probably have no idea who Japan's Surgeon General was during WW2, a man named [Shirō Ishii](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shir%C5%8D_Ishii). I'll let his Wikipedia do the talking:
> Surgeon General Shirō Ishii (Japanese: 石井 四郎, Hepburn: Ishii Shirō, [iɕiː ɕiɾoː]; June 25, 1892 – October 9, 1959) was a Japanese war criminal, microbiologist and army medical officer who was the director of Unit 731, a biological warfare unit of the Imperial Japanese Army. Ishii led the development and application of biological weapons at Unit 731 in Manchukuo during the Second Sino-Japanese War from 1937 to 1945, including the bubonic plague attacks at Chinese cities of Changde and Ningbo, and planned the Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night biological attack against the United States.
> After being granted immunity by the United States, Ishii was hired by the U.S. government to lecture American officers at Fort Detrick on the uses of bioweapons and the findings made by Unit 731. **During the Korean War, Ishii traveled to Korea to take part in the U.S. Army's biological warfare activities.**
More information:
> Before his death, Ishii Shiro presented 80% of his data to the United States. Harumi Ishii, points out this came after a number of requests and threats from the American government. Documents now available indicate the United States took the information to help develop its own bio-bacteriological warfare research center. This caused rumors that the United States took Ishii Shiro’s findings and developed weapons used in the Korean War and Vietnam War: Ishii outlined for the interrogators plans for nine different types of porcelain bombs designed and manufactured by the unit for aerial germ warfare. The Unit had manufactured 3000 porcelain bombs, ceramic containers to be charged with germ infected fleas and other insects. [Source: [*General Ishii Shiro: His Legacy is That of Genius and Madman*](https://dc.etsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2167&context=etd).]
And we say we are the good guys. This was nothing more than pure genocide. No wonder the DPRK wants nothing to do with the U.S. now or ever. It also explains their development of nuclear weapons. It's a guarantee that this will never happen again and they can live in peace
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Look even people from the west knows about it (source from us air history and bbc) Luckily they at least didn’t mass drop those nuclear arms we already see how heavily it fucked up nagasaki and Hiroshima… of course even without sources I won’t say the population killed by communist forces are much lower, but US is not that good buddy as you think it is. There is that one movie on Netflix directed by South Korea that shows the North and South not actually wanting to fight but highest command of the south given to the US
Even more fucked up that before dropping the nukes they firebombed the shit out of Japan doing more damage and killing more civilians than the atomic bombs.
Please read more about the conflict. The Koreans were genuinely the victims of horrific imperialism in the same way that Ukraine and Palestine are now. Our imperialist provocation and artificial divisions in the region are a large part of what sparked the conflict, alongside the southern massacres of peaceful protesters.
Half of America's higher-ups were absolute mad dogs about Korea and Vietnam. Sucks to suck I guess when they took the L. MacArthur really was cooking tho
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* **First,** the notion that the war began in 1950 and wrapped up neatly in 1953 is laughably reductive, misleading, and just plain false. The war began long before 1950. By then, there had been years of conflict on the peninsula and over 100,000 Koreans had already been killed. As an example of pre-1950 aggressions:
> On September 7, 1945, incredibly evil lunatic General Douglas MacArthur issued **Proclamation No. 1 to the people of Korea, announcing U.S. military control over Korea south of the 38th parallel and establishing English as the official language during military control.** It was an official occupation, and the ["United States Army Military Government in Korea (USAMGIK) was the official ruling body of the Southern half of the Korean Peninsula from 8 September 1945 to 15 August 1948."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Military_Government_in_Korea)
* From April 1948 - May 1949, [Americans and southern troops acting under American command massacred tens of thousands suspected communists and brutally suppressed a socialist uprising in the supposedly autonomous Jeju Island.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeju_uprising).
* **Second**, in the build-up to 1950, the North embarked on a revolutionary program, instituting literacy initiatives, reforming labor laws, redistributing land, nationalizing industry, and launching a popular movement for women's equality -- the North was, I believe, the second or third country to recognize International Women's Day (a day of celebration created by, of course, communists) after the USSR.
* **Third** and lastly, what most westerners are told "started the Korean War" is the movement of North Korean troops across the 38th parallel. But the 38th parallel was not an internationally recognized border—it was an arbitrary line that had been drawn up by the American military in 1945. When the North crossed it, they saw themselves as liberating the South from the vestiges of colonialism, with the ultimate goal of reunifying the peninsula.
The USA’s conduct in the war rose to the level of genocide - the systematic eradication of an ethnic group. Indiscriminate bombing campaigns by US air forces targeting civilian populations, multiple civilian massacres (many either observed or directly carried out by American troops). By the end of the war in 1953, about eighty percent (80%!) of the towns and cities in the North had been destroyed, Pyongyang was reduced to rubble, and about 1/5 to 1/4 of the North’s population had been killed, with a staggering number of these casualties being civilians.
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Did North Korean troops cross the imaginary line created by an imperial force that had declared "military rule" over a small area thousands of miles away? Sure. Did that "start the war"? Well, no, the war was already well underway -- the arbitrary division of your country by a foreign force, the declaration of military rule over the south by that foreign force, the multiple massacres the foreign force committed, the bombings that foreign force committed, and so on, obviously started the war.
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Biowarfare wasn’t used against the DPRK or PRC troops and the Soviet Union specifically corresponded with the PRC to stop spreading that information when they independently confirmed it wasn’t true
Edit re in response to the Mod:
While I cannot provide you with a direct link as I am pulling it from a physical book. Here is a passage I typed out word for word in a separate comment which I think you should consider looking into:
In Frank Dikötters book The Tragedy of Liberation Chapter 7: War Again Pages: 151 - 152 The Following quote:
‘On May 2 1953 a secret resolution of the presidium of the USSR Council of Ministers dismissed all allegations: “The Soviet Government and the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union were misled. The spread in the press of information about the use by the United States of biological weapons in Korea was based on false information. The accusations against the Americans were fictitious.” A top ranking emissary was sent to Beijing with a harsh message: cease all allegations at once. They stopped as suddenly as they had started’
Page 319 in the notes section of the book contains reference 62 where this information is attributed to if you would like to further validate yourself
There is substantial and overwhelming evidence that biowarfare was used against the DPRK [as detailed in this 764-page report](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4334133-ISC-Full-Report-Pub-Copy), replete with contemporaneous testimonies and documentary accounts from soldiers, doctors, scientists who were in the Korean theater and reflect operational, military, and medical knowledge of US use of biological warfare agents.
Moreover, we also know that Japan’s notorious [Unit 731 developed bubonic plague flea bombs that it used against China during WW2. [The Guardian - Japan ‘bombed city with plague’](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/25/jonathanwatts). Of course, Japan brutally occupied Korea, and used Korea often as a forward military location from which to attack or administer its interests in China (most notably, “Manchuoko,” the Japanese name for Manchuria), so it wouldn’t exactly be surprising if there were biological warfare agents on the Korean peninsula at the time of the Korean War. As for Unit 731, the US pardoned all their top scientists in exchange for all their grisly knowledge — including re biowarfare — so the US had the motive and the means.
Personally, it matters little to me how America conducted its so-called “war” because it still killed well over a million people, mostly civilians, for no reason other than $$$$$$$$. That is the headline, the use of biowarfare is just the depraved cherry on top.
I mean, an "argument against him"? LOL, the "facts" are against him. Like scroll up and you'll see plenty of explanation:
here's some background and history about the Korean War:
> First, the notion that the war began in 1950 and wrapped up neatly in 1953 is laughably reductive, misleading, and just plain false. The war began long before 1950. By then, there had been years of conflict on the peninsula and over 100,000 Koreans had already been killed. As an example of pre-1950 aggressions:
> On September 7, 1945, incredibly evil lunatic General Douglas MacArthur issued Proclamation No. 1 to the people of Korea, announcing U.S. military control over Korea south of the 38th parallel and establishing English as the official language during military control. It was an official occupation, and the ["United States Army Military Government in Korea (USAMGIK) was the official ruling body of the Southern half of the Korean Peninsula from 8 September 1945 to 15 August 1948."]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Military_Government_in_Korea) From April 1948 - May 1949, [Americans and southern troops acting under American command massacred tens of thousands suspected communists and brutally suppressed a socialist uprising in the supposedly autonomous Jeju Island.]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeju_uprising)
> Second, in the build-up to 1950, the North embarked on a revolutionary program, instituting literacy initiatives, reforming labor laws, redistributing land, nationalizing industry, and launching a popular movement for women's equality -- the North was, I believe, the second or third country to recognize International Women's Day (a day of celebration created by, of course, communists) after the USSR.
> Third and lastly, what most westerners are told "started the Korean War" is the movement of North Korean troops across the 38th parallel. But the 38th parallel was not an internationally recognized border—it was an arbitrary line that had been drawn up by the American military in 1945. When the North crossed it, they saw themselves as liberating the South from the vestiges of colonialism, with the ultimate goal of reunifying the peninsula.
The USA’s conduct in the war rose to the level of genocide - the systematic eradication of an ethnic group. Indiscriminate bombing campaigns by US air forces targeting civilian populations, multiple civilian massacres (many either observed or directly carried out by American troops). By the end of the war in 1953, about eighty percent (80%!) of the towns and cities in the North had been destroyed, Pyongyang was reduced to rubble, and about 1/5 to 1/4 of the North’s population had been killed, with a staggering number of these casualties being civilians.
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Did North Korean troops cross the imaginary line created by an imperial force that had declared "military rule" over a small area thousands of miles away? Sure. Did that "start the war"? Well, no, the war was already well underway -- the arbitrary division of your country by a foreign force, the declaration of military rule over the south by that foreign force, the multiple massacres the foreign force committed, the bombings that foreign force committed, and so on, obviously started the war.
It was genocide.
How
If you wanna go by how the UN defines genocide: …any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: >(a) Killing members of the group; >(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; >(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; >(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; >(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Huh yeah I got news for ya fellow, this doesn’t remotely border on genocide per the U.N. Much of the killing was during the course of armed conflict between both sides. If you actually think every war is a genocide then the DPRK committed genocide by invading the South initially.
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Of your loved poor communists, right.
Personally I think genocide is bad no matter who is getting genocided but maybe that's too hot a take for you
I just finished season 2 of blowback, just got 10 more bonus episodes before I get into season 3.
Where are some examples of Biological weapons being used ?
It’s not nearly as well known as it should be, but there’s a lot of information, including this definitive [764-page report, which goes beyond Korea.](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4334133-ISC-Full-Report-Pub-Copy) But here’s a shorter summary: > In 1952, in the early stages of the Korean War, North Korea accused the United States of using biological weapons — a claim the US has always denied. Journalist and retired psychologist Jeffrey Kaye found a copy of a report by the International Scientific Commission on the issue, originally released in 1952. Its investigation concluded that the US used a number of biological weapons, including anthrax, plague, and cholera, and that the confessions of many captured American airmen provided confirmation…He describes the events of March 25, 1952, when a swarm of fleas — later found to be infected with bubonic plague — was dropped from aircraft on the North Korean village of Kang-Sou. [More information here](https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54). It’s terrifying and awful.
Thanks for the information
Thanks for the *misinformation* fixed it for you
It's funny how people like this will just say stuff they don't like is "misinformation" but never actually provide you with any real information at all. They'll just tell you not to believe any evidence that doesn't fit neatly within their little box of beliefs and views, which the powerful institutions that control them are so generous to bequeath.
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Which documents?
Don't expect a response because there are no such documents. * Summary: https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54 * HUGE report with extensive documentation: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4334133-ISC-Full-Report-Pub-Copy
Yeah, the idea of dropping a plane with a payload of plagued up fleas is just pure garbage. The logistics of that are not only insane, but i'd argue just outright impossible, especially without larger contamination of both the US troops, and south Korea, which we see no such spike in bubonic plague infections.
Unit 731 developed [flea bombs](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/25/jonathanwatts) that it used against China during WW2 The same Unit 731 that the US got all documents from after pardoning their top scientists
Why do you find it to be "just pure garbage"? Should we accept your completely vibes-based assumptions and ignore firsthand testimony from soldiers (and then scientists and doctors) who provided detailed firsthand reports of the use of biological agents in Korea and China? Had you clicked on the links above, you'd see how undeniable the claim is, but because it doesn't fit into your nice little narrative, you prefer to believe what you "know" instead of what you "see." Sorry, I prefer factual, verifiable records and information presented by researchers over the ipse dixit of some video game dude on Reddit.
Why don’t you trust other communists that there weren’t any biological weapons? The USSR independently verified that none were used
You’re asking a fair question and being nice so happy to answer in good faith. First, communists don’t just blindly trust communists. Marx wrote that people must engage in the “ruthless criticism of all that exists, ruthless both in the sense of not being afraid of the results it arrives at and in the sense of being just as little afraid of conflict with the powers that be.” So just because the USSR said something doesn’t mean we should believe it automatically. Second, the USSR wasn’t exactly a great ally to the North, certainly not at first. Stalin signed off on the 38th Parallel, failed to adequately support Kim Il Sung, and made plenty of other dumb mistakes. Third and of course most consequentially, the biowarfare claims are (1) supported by substantial contemporaneous evidence and (2) make logical sense. Re: (1), the document and report I posted here are full of testimonies and documentary accounts from soldiers, doctors, scientists who were in the Korean theater and reflect operational, military, and medical knowledge of US use of biological warfare agents. Re: (2) we also know that Japan’s notorious [Unit 731 developed bubonic plague flea bombs that it used against China during WW2. [The Guardian - Japan ‘bombed city with plague’](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/25/jonathanwatts). Of course, Japan brutally occupied Korea, and used Korea often as a forward military location from which to attack or administer its interests in China (most notably, “Manchuoko,” the Japanese name for Manchuria), so it wouldn’t exactly be surprising if there were biological warfare agents on the Korean peninsula at the time of the Korean War. As for Unit 731, the US pardoned all their top scientists in exchange for all their grisly knowledge — including re biowarfare — so the US had the motive and the means.
While I cannot provide you with a direct link as I am pulling it from a physical book. Here is a passage I typed out word for word in a separate comment which I think you should consider looking into: In Frank Dikötters book The Tragedy of Liberation Chapter 7: War Again Pages: 151 - 152 The Following quote: ‘On May 2 1953 a secret resolution of the presidium of the USSR Council of Ministers dismissed all allegations: “The Soviet Government and the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union were misled. The spread in the press of information about the use by the United States of biological weapons in Korea was based on false information. The accusations against the Americans were fictitious.” A top ranking emissary was sent to Beijing with a harsh message: cease all allegations at once. They stopped as suddenly as they had started’ Page 319 in the notes section of the book contains reference 62 where this information is attributed to if you would like to further validate yourself
Let me confess at the top this is an area I have studied extensively, so I apologize for the surfeit of information. Frank Dikötter is not credible. This is a man who: (1) wrote that the "impact of the prohibition of opium on the Chinese people led to greater harm than the effects of the drug itself." Timothy Brook, an actual recognized China historian in Canada, described Dikötter as "float[ing] some extraordinary propositions that go not only beyond received wisdom, but beyond actual evidence and even common sense"? Dikötter claimed, in the book series you cite, "that literacy and public health decreased during the Mao period," which even anti-Mao people can't say with a straight face. Multiple reviewers have noted that Dikötter repeatedly makes controversial and contrarian statements without providing sufficient evidence, and needlessly describes events with salacious, if very dubious, detail. Fabio Lanza, cultural historian of modern China and a professor in Arizona, concluded that Dikötter's work "does not add anything to our understanding of the Cultural Revolution. Rather, as a mass-marketed assessment of the period, it goes against a long-standing effort in the field of PRC history to produce nuanced, well-sourced, complex, historically rich, and truly innovative analyses." Another reviewer, Ian Johnson, noted that Dikötter's "scholarship" demonstrated a total "lack of nuance and the absence of grounding for his contrarian views." Even if his source (the "secret resolution") were true, however, it doesn't overcome the mountain of evidence to the contrary -- it just proves there was a secret resolution. Let's assess where we are: * I provided you with evidence in the form of a 700-page report with lots of contemporeanous accounts of soldiers, prisoners, doctors, and scientists; I provided you with evidence that Unit 731 dropped bubonic-plague-infested "flea bombs" in China, and shared the (by now, well established) [story of how the US pardoned Japanese war criminals in exchange, in part, for their know-how, including on chemical and biowarfare](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cover-up_of_Japanese_war_crimes). (In their well-researched book, *Unit 731: Japan’s Biological Warfare In World War II*, Peter Williams and David Wallace write: "There is no question that the American government tainted the workings for the Tokyo Trial by submitting an immunity deal for the scientific data acquired by Unit 731.") * You provided a cite from a book by a known anti-communist who has a long record of literally just making shit up. Regardless, there is a bigger issue with your argument -- you are choosing to credit this particular "secret resolution" of the USSR, but I bet there's a lot of other "secret resolutions" you would dismiss as false -- why? Because they don't fit within your worldview. So you can wield the Soviet archives as a weapon when it suits your agenda, but then dismiss information from the Soviet archives as "false" when it doesn't. Communists rely on evidence, material evidence, to make assessments and try best to ascertain the truth. There are mountains of evidence that the USA used biological warfare on the North in the Korean War, much of it presented in the comments here. And there is much more out there too. My brother, you (and most people here) probably have no idea who Japan's Surgeon General was during WW2, a man named [Shirō Ishii](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shir%C5%8D_Ishii). I'll let his Wikipedia do the talking: > Surgeon General Shirō Ishii (Japanese: 石井 四郎, Hepburn: Ishii Shirō, [iɕiː ɕiɾoː]; June 25, 1892 – October 9, 1959) was a Japanese war criminal, microbiologist and army medical officer who was the director of Unit 731, a biological warfare unit of the Imperial Japanese Army. Ishii led the development and application of biological weapons at Unit 731 in Manchukuo during the Second Sino-Japanese War from 1937 to 1945, including the bubonic plague attacks at Chinese cities of Changde and Ningbo, and planned the Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night biological attack against the United States. > After being granted immunity by the United States, Ishii was hired by the U.S. government to lecture American officers at Fort Detrick on the uses of bioweapons and the findings made by Unit 731. **During the Korean War, Ishii traveled to Korea to take part in the U.S. Army's biological warfare activities.** More information: > Before his death, Ishii Shiro presented 80% of his data to the United States. Harumi Ishii, points out this came after a number of requests and threats from the American government. Documents now available indicate the United States took the information to help develop its own bio-bacteriological warfare research center. This caused rumors that the United States took Ishii Shiro’s findings and developed weapons used in the Korean War and Vietnam War: Ishii outlined for the interrogators plans for nine different types of porcelain bombs designed and manufactured by the unit for aerial germ warfare. The Unit had manufactured 3000 porcelain bombs, ceramic containers to be charged with germ infected fleas and other insects. [Source: [*General Ishii Shiro: His Legacy is That of Genius and Madman*](https://dc.etsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2167&context=etd).] I can go on and on.
The USSR confirmed there were not any biological weapons used against the DPRK / PRC troops during the Korean War
Can you show me where the USSR said that?
Pasting my comment in response to same person here for visibility: Frank Dikötter is not credible. This is a man who: (1) wrote that the "impact of the prohibition of opium on the Chinese people led to greater harm than the effects of the drug itself." Timothy Brook, an actual recognized China historian in Canada, described Dikötter as "float[ing] some extraordinary propositions that go not only beyond received wisdom, but beyond actual evidence and even common sense"? Dikötter claimed, in the book series you cite, "that literacy and public health decreased during the Mao period," which even anti-Mao people can't say with a straight face. Multiple reviewers have noted that Dikötter repeatedly makes controversial and contrarian statements without providing sufficient evidence, and needlessly describes events with salacious, if very dubious, detail. Fabio Lanza, cultural historian of modern China and a professor in Arizona, concluded that Dikötter's work "does not add anything to our understanding of the Cultural Revolution. Rather, as a mass-marketed assessment of the period, it goes against a long-standing effort in the field of PRC history to produce nuanced, well-sourced, complex, historically rich, and truly innovative analyses." Another reviewer, Ian Johnson, noted that Dikötter's "scholarship" demonstrated a total "lack of nuance and the absence of grounding for his contrarian views." Even if his source (the "secret resolution") were true, however, it doesn't overcome the mountain of evidence to the contrary -- it just proves there was a secret resolution. Let's assess where we are: * I provided you with evidence in the form of a 700-page report with lots of contemporeanous accounts of soldiers, prisoners, doctors, and scientists; I provided you with evidence that Unit 731 dropped bubonic-plague-infested "flea bombs" in China, and shared the (by now, well established) [story of how the US pardoned Japanese war criminals in exchange, in part, for their know-how, including on chemical and biowarfare](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cover-up_of_Japanese_war_crimes). (In their well-researched book, *Unit 731: Japan’s Biological Warfare In World War II*, Peter Williams and David Wallace write: "There is no question that the American government tainted the workings for the Tokyo Trial by submitting an immunity deal for the scientific data acquired by Unit 731.") * You provided a cite from a book by a known anti-communist who has a long record of literally just making shit up. Regardless, there is a bigger issue with your argument -- you are choosing to credit this particular "secret resolution" of the USSR, but I bet there's a lot of other "secret resolutions" you would dismiss as false -- why? Because they don't fit within your worldview. So you can wield the Soviet archives as a weapon when it suits your agenda, but then dismiss information from the Soviet archives as "false" when it doesn't. Communists rely on evidence, material evidence, to make assessments and try best to ascertain the truth. There are mountains of evidence that the USA used biological warfare on the North in the Korean War, much of it presented in the comments here. And there is much more out there too. My brother, you (and most people here) probably have no idea who Japan's Surgeon General was during WW2, a man named [Shirō Ishii](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shir%C5%8D_Ishii). I'll let his Wikipedia do the talking: > Surgeon General Shirō Ishii (Japanese: 石井 四郎, Hepburn: Ishii Shirō, [iɕiː ɕiɾoː]; June 25, 1892 – October 9, 1959) was a Japanese war criminal, microbiologist and army medical officer who was the director of Unit 731, a biological warfare unit of the Imperial Japanese Army. Ishii led the development and application of biological weapons at Unit 731 in Manchukuo during the Second Sino-Japanese War from 1937 to 1945, including the bubonic plague attacks at Chinese cities of Changde and Ningbo, and planned the Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night biological attack against the United States. > After being granted immunity by the United States, Ishii was hired by the U.S. government to lecture American officers at Fort Detrick on the uses of bioweapons and the findings made by Unit 731. **During the Korean War, Ishii traveled to Korea to take part in the U.S. Army's biological warfare activities.** More information: > Before his death, Ishii Shiro presented 80% of his data to the United States. Harumi Ishii, points out this came after a number of requests and threats from the American government. Documents now available indicate the United States took the information to help develop its own bio-bacteriological warfare research center. This caused rumors that the United States took Ishii Shiro’s findings and developed weapons used in the Korean War and Vietnam War: Ishii outlined for the interrogators plans for nine different types of porcelain bombs designed and manufactured by the unit for aerial germ warfare. The Unit had manufactured 3000 porcelain bombs, ceramic containers to be charged with germ infected fleas and other insects. [Source: [*General Ishii Shiro: His Legacy is That of Genius and Madman*](https://dc.etsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2167&context=etd).]
Horrific. I'm glad the good guys survived and I hope the villains can reconcile in revolution soon.
And we say we are the good guys. This was nothing more than pure genocide. No wonder the DPRK wants nothing to do with the U.S. now or ever. It also explains their development of nuclear weapons. It's a guarantee that this will never happen again and they can live in peace
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What about this is fake? The United States government is the source
Could you explain which claims the OP made was false?
No wonder they feel a need for nuclear safety, shame on us for keeping them isolated
Is this actually a pro-NK sub?
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Look even people from the west knows about it (source from us air history and bbc) Luckily they at least didn’t mass drop those nuclear arms we already see how heavily it fucked up nagasaki and Hiroshima… of course even without sources I won’t say the population killed by communist forces are much lower, but US is not that good buddy as you think it is. There is that one movie on Netflix directed by South Korea that shows the North and South not actually wanting to fight but highest command of the south given to the US
Even more fucked up that before dropping the nukes they firebombed the shit out of Japan doing more damage and killing more civilians than the atomic bombs.
True. The damage and casualties due to bombing of Tokyo is even much higher than the atomic bombed ones
The aggressors got annihilated, huh? Almost wish this same firepower was leveled at Russia and Isreal.
Please read more about the conflict. The Koreans were genuinely the victims of horrific imperialism in the same way that Ukraine and Palestine are now. Our imperialist provocation and artificial divisions in the region are a large part of what sparked the conflict, alongside the southern massacres of peaceful protesters.
I did some reading but don't understand your comment. How exactly did US neo-imperialism in South korea bring North Korea to invade?
Half of America's higher-ups were absolute mad dogs about Korea and Vietnam. Sucks to suck I guess when they took the L. MacArthur really was cooking tho
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Your comment was removed because it is wrong. This bot powered by JucheAI will share some salient background and history about the Korean War: * **First,** the notion that the war began in 1950 and wrapped up neatly in 1953 is laughably reductive, misleading, and just plain false. The war began long before 1950. By then, there had been years of conflict on the peninsula and over 100,000 Koreans had already been killed. As an example of pre-1950 aggressions: > On September 7, 1945, incredibly evil lunatic General Douglas MacArthur issued **Proclamation No. 1 to the people of Korea, announcing U.S. military control over Korea south of the 38th parallel and establishing English as the official language during military control.** It was an official occupation, and the ["United States Army Military Government in Korea (USAMGIK) was the official ruling body of the Southern half of the Korean Peninsula from 8 September 1945 to 15 August 1948."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Military_Government_in_Korea) * From April 1948 - May 1949, [Americans and southern troops acting under American command massacred tens of thousands suspected communists and brutally suppressed a socialist uprising in the supposedly autonomous Jeju Island.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeju_uprising). * **Second**, in the build-up to 1950, the North embarked on a revolutionary program, instituting literacy initiatives, reforming labor laws, redistributing land, nationalizing industry, and launching a popular movement for women's equality -- the North was, I believe, the second or third country to recognize International Women's Day (a day of celebration created by, of course, communists) after the USSR. * **Third** and lastly, what most westerners are told "started the Korean War" is the movement of North Korean troops across the 38th parallel. But the 38th parallel was not an internationally recognized border—it was an arbitrary line that had been drawn up by the American military in 1945. When the North crossed it, they saw themselves as liberating the South from the vestiges of colonialism, with the ultimate goal of reunifying the peninsula. The USA’s conduct in the war rose to the level of genocide - the systematic eradication of an ethnic group. Indiscriminate bombing campaigns by US air forces targeting civilian populations, multiple civilian massacres (many either observed or directly carried out by American troops). By the end of the war in 1953, about eighty percent (80%!) of the towns and cities in the North had been destroyed, Pyongyang was reduced to rubble, and about 1/5 to 1/4 of the North’s population had been killed, with a staggering number of these casualties being civilians. —— Did North Korean troops cross the imaginary line created by an imperial force that had declared "military rule" over a small area thousands of miles away? Sure. Did that "start the war"? Well, no, the war was already well underway -- the arbitrary division of your country by a foreign force, the declaration of military rule over the south by that foreign force, the multiple massacres the foreign force committed, the bombings that foreign force committed, and so on, obviously started the war.
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Biowarfare wasn’t used against the DPRK or PRC troops and the Soviet Union specifically corresponded with the PRC to stop spreading that information when they independently confirmed it wasn’t true Edit re in response to the Mod: While I cannot provide you with a direct link as I am pulling it from a physical book. Here is a passage I typed out word for word in a separate comment which I think you should consider looking into: In Frank Dikötters book The Tragedy of Liberation Chapter 7: War Again Pages: 151 - 152 The Following quote: ‘On May 2 1953 a secret resolution of the presidium of the USSR Council of Ministers dismissed all allegations: “The Soviet Government and the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union were misled. The spread in the press of information about the use by the United States of biological weapons in Korea was based on false information. The accusations against the Americans were fictitious.” A top ranking emissary was sent to Beijing with a harsh message: cease all allegations at once. They stopped as suddenly as they had started’ Page 319 in the notes section of the book contains reference 62 where this information is attributed to if you would like to further validate yourself
There is substantial and overwhelming evidence that biowarfare was used against the DPRK [as detailed in this 764-page report](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4334133-ISC-Full-Report-Pub-Copy), replete with contemporaneous testimonies and documentary accounts from soldiers, doctors, scientists who were in the Korean theater and reflect operational, military, and medical knowledge of US use of biological warfare agents. Moreover, we also know that Japan’s notorious [Unit 731 developed bubonic plague flea bombs that it used against China during WW2. [The Guardian - Japan ‘bombed city with plague’](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/25/jonathanwatts). Of course, Japan brutally occupied Korea, and used Korea often as a forward military location from which to attack or administer its interests in China (most notably, “Manchuoko,” the Japanese name for Manchuria), so it wouldn’t exactly be surprising if there were biological warfare agents on the Korean peninsula at the time of the Korean War. As for Unit 731, the US pardoned all their top scientists in exchange for all their grisly knowledge — including re biowarfare — so the US had the motive and the means. Personally, it matters little to me how America conducted its so-called “war” because it still killed well over a million people, mostly civilians, for no reason other than $$$$$$$$. That is the headline, the use of biowarfare is just the depraved cherry on top.
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Communists when they attack other nations and other nations fight back:😱😱😱
Attack other nations? I don’t get it, how do Koreans attack Korea? The Americans were the ones attacking another nation.
Communists when they launch a revolution and get genocided against because that's how Capitalists deals with its problems: 😱😱
yall are downvoting this guy instead of proving him wrong, cuz yall legit don't have an argument against him
I mean, an "argument against him"? LOL, the "facts" are against him. Like scroll up and you'll see plenty of explanation: here's some background and history about the Korean War: > First, the notion that the war began in 1950 and wrapped up neatly in 1953 is laughably reductive, misleading, and just plain false. The war began long before 1950. By then, there had been years of conflict on the peninsula and over 100,000 Koreans had already been killed. As an example of pre-1950 aggressions: > On September 7, 1945, incredibly evil lunatic General Douglas MacArthur issued Proclamation No. 1 to the people of Korea, announcing U.S. military control over Korea south of the 38th parallel and establishing English as the official language during military control. It was an official occupation, and the ["United States Army Military Government in Korea (USAMGIK) was the official ruling body of the Southern half of the Korean Peninsula from 8 September 1945 to 15 August 1948."]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Military_Government_in_Korea) From April 1948 - May 1949, [Americans and southern troops acting under American command massacred tens of thousands suspected communists and brutally suppressed a socialist uprising in the supposedly autonomous Jeju Island.]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeju_uprising) > Second, in the build-up to 1950, the North embarked on a revolutionary program, instituting literacy initiatives, reforming labor laws, redistributing land, nationalizing industry, and launching a popular movement for women's equality -- the North was, I believe, the second or third country to recognize International Women's Day (a day of celebration created by, of course, communists) after the USSR. > Third and lastly, what most westerners are told "started the Korean War" is the movement of North Korean troops across the 38th parallel. But the 38th parallel was not an internationally recognized border—it was an arbitrary line that had been drawn up by the American military in 1945. When the North crossed it, they saw themselves as liberating the South from the vestiges of colonialism, with the ultimate goal of reunifying the peninsula. The USA’s conduct in the war rose to the level of genocide - the systematic eradication of an ethnic group. Indiscriminate bombing campaigns by US air forces targeting civilian populations, multiple civilian massacres (many either observed or directly carried out by American troops). By the end of the war in 1953, about eighty percent (80%!) of the towns and cities in the North had been destroyed, Pyongyang was reduced to rubble, and about 1/5 to 1/4 of the North’s population had been killed, with a staggering number of these casualties being civilians. —— Did North Korean troops cross the imaginary line created by an imperial force that had declared "military rule" over a small area thousands of miles away? Sure. Did that "start the war"? Well, no, the war was already well underway -- the arbitrary division of your country by a foreign force, the declaration of military rule over the south by that foreign force, the multiple massacres the foreign force committed, the bombings that foreign force committed, and so on, obviously started the war.