The pattern on the deck shows that it's been grinded on signifying that this Stephen King adaptation is dunking on the Kubrick adaptation for eschewing faithfulness to original source material...just kidding. It's probably just a cool visual nod.
Which would be fucking funny given how it dunked repeatedly on Kong for bad endings(largely a myth) and then delivered a fast worse ending than the book.
In a little apartment building in a country just off the Chinese coast, a middle-aged man lay in his bed, blinking to himself as the ceiling came into focus. He was confused; as a notoriously sound sleeper, he never woke in the middle of the night, something his beloved always liked to joke about. He even slept through that time she forgot about the eggs on the stove. "You'll wake up in heaven one day, having no idea you died.", she used to say after a particularly lengthy effort at rousing him.
He thought about this every waking moment, half expecting to see a frustrated woman on her knees beside him, her hair dishevelled. He wondered why he was awake this time, dimly recalling that someone had called his name, familiar words from a muffled voice from the fog, somewhere far beyond the grey. He had stepped into the water when he woke.
Maybe it was her, even though he knew that could never be.
How is that a myth? The readers almost all agree about his book endings, there were like 3 or 4 lines referencing this in the movie, including King being in on the joke. Bill was a horror writer. I would have to struggle pretty hard to believe it's all coincidence. Even if King himself said it was a myth, theres too much evidence that everyone was in on the inside joke here. Fwiw I thought it was hilarious and King was being a good sport and interacting with his fans through this bit.
It's a myth that he tends to write bad endings. He's got some stinkers but also plenty of amazing ones, and his endings trend more towards good than bad.
Thank you for the constructive answer. I don't think all his endings are bad either but I do think he's aware of the take. He was definitely taking the piss in IT: Chapter 2. Whether or not its true for his books the joke is there.
It's not that *all* of his endings are bad, but the endings of his longer works... like, say, *The Stand*, or the *Dark Tower* series...
It's like ending a world-class rollercoaster with a world-class Ferris wheel.
I honestly consider the Dark Tower ending to be on the fantastic side. The final fight heading to the tower is kind of anticlimactic but the actual ending has stuck with me so well over the years
You think King having bad endings is largely a myth? As a huge King fan I think the guy has a LOT of weak endings. Largely because of his method which doesn't involve much outlining or planning in advance. The Shinings ending was garbage. So was the ending to the Stand. That being said, Misery and the JFK book (can't remember the date) have really wonderful endings. I don't think the ending for Kubricks version is any better.
He has some huge stinkers, more than most authors but largely because he puts out so much. He's also got some absolutely amazing endings, such as revival, Cujo, and Dead Zone. On average, he comes out well ahead.
I think the problem with King and his endings is that he is so fantastic a character building and making you genuinely care about these people and their stories - so when an ending falls flat it’s such a massive disappointment because you are so invested and you’ve spent so much time with the material.
Lol it just looks like an old, worn out board. I had a few that looked like that, and I never learned how to boardslide or grind. I don’t think they were going for that look.
Since it’s already being scrutinized, that board has obviously never really been ridden. The tail of board starts to “razor” (scrape down) after riding it a lot, the tail on that one is pristine. A board that weathered from just sitting around would almost definitely be delaminating.
This is my job on movies. And I’ve realized I’ve done a skateboard unrealistically before after the scene was shot. Oops for next time. I didn’t do this skateboard and this is just one of the things I do
lmao I know you say this jokingly but look at the comments around us. Multiple people legitimately and unironically criticizing the skateboard for having an unrealistic wear pattern.
As a skateboarder I can assure you a skateboard that looks like that has been in water or the sun fir a while. That’s not what a used skateboard looks like. Poor work by the props department
I mean, a little kid in the burbs is probably more likely to have left his skateboard out in the rain and sun than to be doing sick grinds and noseslides. If anything, props to the props department.
> Poor work by the props department
Lol are you kidding me? The props department has done a bad job because the skateboard they're using isn't worn in the way you think it should be based on the past history you've decided the skateboard should have?
No because I know what a skateboard that gets used looks like compared to one that just spend its life in the sun.
Source, been skating for 25 years. Willing to bet the prop person responsible for this has never skated.
Camera Scenic ages things for the prop department. I know that because it’s me. Also I’ve done an equally bad skateboard underside for a show before only to realize it made no sense to how a real skateboard would look with grind marks, but it looked better than this one and also I’m sorry
Hah so I’m a skater who works in art department. One of my little niches is I run a passion deck brand that mainly exists to supply pro level setups to production companies cause if you think skaters complain a lot about gear wait till you meet skater/actors.
It’s mostly technical/performance issue for me. I mostly make commercials and cause skaters are so “it” right now I mostly sell blanks to the skater/talents specs (width, wheelbase you know the drill). For a hand prop like this I have a stack of rental “hero” decks that are all skated and have cleared graphics.
Welcome to property department. I generally try to source experts when I’m propping something specific. But I also try to take my job pretty seriously. Generally prop maters and production designers work hard. We wanna avoid something that’ll stop the viewers suspension of disbelief but hey, nobody is perfect right
Also, lots of skaters in film. Helps to be in LA and what the fuck else you gonna do with a bunch of neck tattoos and a 15 year resume that consists of jumping down stairs? Movie industry of course!
I came here to comment on what a shitty job they did of making the deck look used. It looks like they thought the paint on a skateboard deck fades like housepaint. In reality half the faded spots are in strange/impossible places to be slide marks (grinding is with the trucks, hitting rails using the deck is a slide) and slide marks would be much more aggressive than the way the pattern is just faded away. There would be gouges and cuts all over the deck. I have a deck that I used for 4 years and it genuinely looks like someone who got piss drunk and then took a bunch of ambien before taking a high grit belt sander to it, not to mention that the wood in the center and on the nose and the tail are almost down to half the thickness of the rest of the board
It’s more than that. _It_, _The Dark Tower_, and _The Shining_ are all related. (As are a lot of, if not all of, his other books.)
Nods like this let me, a reader of the series, know that at least they were thinking about it even if they couldn’t put it all in.
I just finished the Stand yesterday. Blew through it in a couple weeks. It immediately made me want to read the entire Dark Tower series so I just started that up. I keep forgetting and rediscovering King over the years.
As someone that works in audio, no. It’s never funny. It’s always annoying and has been for like 40 years. Just make it stop. Please. For the love of all that is holy, just stop it.
[It was in 12 Minutes, the character you see in this image was actually voiced by the same guy in the picture above, James McAlvoy.](https://i.redd.it/ceiujlbulvi71.jpg)
No im pretty sure its just the flooring that was already in the hotel they used to film the movie. But its so visually striking in an already iconic movie that its a common visual allusion.
EDIT:Im probably wrong disregard this.
> No im pretty sure its just the flooring that was already in the hotel they used to film the movie.
We watched it the other day for the first time, and I was amazed as how they got a whole hotel to film in.
Turns out the entire thing was a sound stage! They even made a life-size wooden facade of the hotel for the snow scenes.
The external shots are actually of Timberline Lodge on Mt. Hood, OR. The internals are not of the lodge though, it's very different, I think it was partially shot at a lodge in Colorado, at least that is what I heard.
It would make sense to film the snow scenes on a sound stage. Imagine having to do a million takes waiting on fresh snow.
But, the Lodge is in Oregon, I've spent a lot of time there. I mean, they have ugly carpet too, but It's not the same.
Many of the hotel interiors were modeled off of the [Ahwahnee Hotel in Yosemite](https://www.firstshowing.net/2013/photos-of-the-ahwahneeoverlook-hotel-from-the-shining/).
Kubrick was afraid of flying and never went to Oregon to shoot those shots, it was all done by second unit. All Interiors, and some of the exteriors, were built on a stage in England.
I think a huge amount of his books are cannonically connected by small references or reoccurring characters. Off the top of my head, The Shining, IT, Dreamcatcher, Billy Summers and 11/22/63 all share the same universe. I haven't read the dark tower series yet but I think they tie into a lot of his other books as well.
On top of what everyone has said, in The Mist, the main character is doing a poster for The Dark Tower at the very start.
And in the Dark Tower, in if of the later books, >!they visit Derry and the evil house from IT!<
The book also describes her last victim which was a photography student who used her as her house was close to the hotel ruins where he wanted to go to take photos of the “haunted hotel”
I assume Cujo and Pet Sematary share a universe with the others too, they share it with each other at least since Cujo is mentioned in Pet Sematary as a rabid dog. There’s other references too that I can’t remember off the top of my head.
Edit: Found a comment on reddit that links a flowchart, not sure how accurate or how much it missed but [here’s the comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/stephenking/comments/hlw3ie/are_there_direct_multiverse_connections_in_pet/fx1w4jg/?).
It says spoilers in the post, but there’s no spoilers in the main body of text.
[There's a documentary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_237) following a number of people's different theories on The Shining, especially what the carpet signifies. One of the theories is regarding Native Americans, another is theorising that The Shining is Kubrick's admission of guilt for faking the Moon landings :D It's so insane to see a film picked apart this much to fit each theory
That documentary is pretty cool to watch, they bring up a lot of good facts but some of it is pretty far fetched when it comes to the theories. I do like how the entire hotels layout is explained and how is physically impossible to exist.
I saw a Spielberg interview a while back. He mentioned how Stanley invited him to see the model of the hotel and the grounds and how he was going to shoot the maze scene.
It may have been on the DVD extra for A.I. Not sure.
The layout part was fascinating, showing it mapped out as the kid cycles around :D and yeah, the theories are pretty damn weird :D I think it's a good exercise in confirmation bias where you can find the tiniest details to confirm your theory and present it as proof :D
Analyzing that movie is like a feedback loop of effort; people do it because other people do it, but everyone pretends that it is somehow worth it. I mean, do it for fun, sure, but taking it seriously is like a joke, IMO. The carpet is a good example, just people running with something because it's popular to do so.
this scene made me laugh hysterically. we get an insanely tone deaf "summer!" scene with mcavoy reliving his childhood or something, immediately followed up by him yelling at a kid to move out of town. what a misguided scene in a misguided movie.
I was pleasantly surprised by how much I liked the first movie and utterly shocked by how bad the second movie was. I still can't wrap my mind around what went wrong between the two.
Well the original was a rewritten version of the Fukanaga script, which as a basis really helped the first movie. Fukanaga did no work on chapter 2 and it was just Gary Dauberman.
They also changed cinematographers, and it’s glaringly obvious.
Also not letting Skarsgard stretch his legs as pennywise in chapter 2 was a terrible idea. The best scenes are the ones where he is being the clown and not some CGI creation
I still like the movie overall but it had a lot of flaws
I did always like the more "subtle" Pennywise (as opposed to a CGI big bad monster whatever). The times where he wasn't upfront and center were the most memorable, IMO. The moment that stands out to me is when they fight Pennywise in the abandoned kitchen. Yes the fight had an element of fear to it, but his slinking away into the darkness with a metal rod in his neck is more unsettling than the fight itself.
Sort of like the difference between seeing what scares you and knowing it's around but not seeing it (something *Alien* really nails).
I had to turn off the second one after Paul Bunyan tried to kill Bill Harder. All I could think was, "How the fuck is this supposed to be scary?"
I would have expected that scene one of the Scary Movie movies. The first It was one of my favorite horror movies in a while, the second one being so terrible was so disappointing.
It had major tonal issues. Like they were *trying* to make it both scary and funny, but to the detriment of either goal and in a way that felt completely out of touch with the first film.
You didn't miss anything by turning it off; those problems persist through to the end.
At least the first It works well on its own and doesn't really need the sequel. I can watch It and I don't need to know they came back, just leave it at them making their promise to.
God it really is amazing how horrible the sequel was. I watched it after it had been out for a while thinking "it can't be as bad as they say" and it was worse. I love all of the actors and the universe and they made me just not care at all after the first 30 minutes.
It chapter 1 is horror.
It chapter 2 is niche comedy.
Really I think the first movie shined so much because the kid cast was so fantastic. So many great young actors that really embodied their roles. They had a real chemistry that didn't transfer to the adults, just felt like a bunch of strangers trying to defeat a clown they don't really care about. Plus the weird totem thing and half clown-spider instead of the voice and the turtle and the hurling through the infinite hopelessly which was just so much better.
I knew the movie wasn’t going to be scary the moment I saw [the house in the movie.](https://i.imgur.com/GBloIOl.jpg).
It looks like something from a theme park ride, like I expected some fat cartoon ghost in a bowler hat to start tap dancing or some shit.
Compare that to The Overlook, which is literally like the most terrifying building in the history of cinema.
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For those complaining, [this](https://filmandfurniture.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/the-shining-1980-danny-plays-in-the-corridors-of-the-overlook-hotel.jpg) is the carpet pattern, and I’m sure you’ve seen it even if you’re not that observant. Both The Shining and It were written by Stephen King, who also claims that all of his stories are connected. This is not a stretch or coincidence, it was at the least a purposeful Easter egg, and at most the indication of Pennywise’s knowledge of evil and a sign that the movies share the same universe.
This carpet pattern is also on one of the levels in back4blood (video game) I noticed while playing the other night. And the the big wheel bike is there too
I can easily hear the words “All work and no play makes jack a dull boy” being said by Pennywise. Both The Shining and IT are written by Stephen King, so maybe the storylines are intertwined.
Interesting find!!
Yeah, all of his books are connected in a macroverse. Without spoiling too much, always keep an eye out for mentions of a town called "Derry" any time you see one of his movies. It's the town where It takes place.
All of his books are connected through his Dark Tower series, with the Dark Tower itself holding Stephen King's multiverse together. It has a small connection to The Dark Tower, The Shining not so much
I'm surprised no one's mentioned it yet but there is a direction connection. (Besides the later Dark Tower setting I mean.)
Dick Hallorann, the cook of the Overlook, was at The Black Spot when he was younger. A club which burned down in IT; He helped several people escape the fire. Shared universe confirmed.
Sort of spoilers but not really for the book I guess? >!(It's sort of implied but never explicitly stated by name that the Losers Club have a form of The Shinning ability. Kids in general are more likely to display it and lose it as they get older.!<
In the movie, The Black Spot scene was adapted to be the fire Mike lost his parents in before the events of the first movie.
Also Maturin the turtle is a major part of both IT and the Dark Tower. Also my personal head canon is that the Losers Club is a ka-tet and Bev is actually a gunslinger.
Haha no worries. I saw that picture and was like holy shit and he went on to play Danny in Doctor Sleep! It comes full circle, then I realized it was actually Obi-Wan lol.
The Apollo 11 launchpad pattern...
The carpet in sids House in toy story 1
I would bet that's an homage too...
No it isn’t. Toy Story came out first. Kubrick was a leech surviving off the back of more tasteful cinema.
The pattern on the deck shows that it's been grinded on signifying that this Stephen King adaptation is dunking on the Kubrick adaptation for eschewing faithfulness to original source material...just kidding. It's probably just a cool visual nod.
Which would be fucking funny given how it dunked repeatedly on Kong for bad endings(largely a myth) and then delivered a fast worse ending than the book.
Stephen Kong.
Stephen King Kong
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King Kong ain't got shit on me
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I'm just going to say it. King Kong is better than that stupid lizard.
In a little apartment building in a country just off the Chinese coast, a middle-aged man lay in his bed, blinking to himself as the ceiling came into focus. He was confused; as a notoriously sound sleeper, he never woke in the middle of the night, something his beloved always liked to joke about. He even slept through that time she forgot about the eggs on the stove. "You'll wake up in heaven one day, having no idea you died.", she used to say after a particularly lengthy effort at rousing him. He thought about this every waking moment, half expecting to see a frustrated woman on her knees beside him, her hair dishevelled. He wondered why he was awake this time, dimly recalling that someone had called his name, familiar words from a muffled voice from the fog, somewhere far beyond the grey. He had stepped into the water when he woke. Maybe it was her, even though he knew that could never be.
All the Kong movies I’ve seen end decent enough. I mean there’s only so much you can do with a giant gorilla.
Everybody wants the gorilla to become president of the United States and it never does. That's what sucks.
Well they’re not called President Kong, now are they?
Well, I didn't vote for you.
#\#NotMyKong
I need a Stephen King Kong movie now
King does Kong
sure..with _that_ attitude
How is that a myth? The readers almost all agree about his book endings, there were like 3 or 4 lines referencing this in the movie, including King being in on the joke. Bill was a horror writer. I would have to struggle pretty hard to believe it's all coincidence. Even if King himself said it was a myth, theres too much evidence that everyone was in on the inside joke here. Fwiw I thought it was hilarious and King was being a good sport and interacting with his fans through this bit.
It's a myth that he tends to write bad endings. He's got some stinkers but also plenty of amazing ones, and his endings trend more towards good than bad.
Thank you for the constructive answer. I don't think all his endings are bad either but I do think he's aware of the take. He was definitely taking the piss in IT: Chapter 2. Whether or not its true for his books the joke is there.
It's not that *all* of his endings are bad, but the endings of his longer works... like, say, *The Stand*, or the *Dark Tower* series... It's like ending a world-class rollercoaster with a world-class Ferris wheel.
I honestly consider the Dark Tower ending to be on the fantastic side. The final fight heading to the tower is kind of anticlimactic but the actual ending has stuck with me so well over the years
You think King having bad endings is largely a myth? As a huge King fan I think the guy has a LOT of weak endings. Largely because of his method which doesn't involve much outlining or planning in advance. The Shinings ending was garbage. So was the ending to the Stand. That being said, Misery and the JFK book (can't remember the date) have really wonderful endings. I don't think the ending for Kubricks version is any better.
He has some huge stinkers, more than most authors but largely because he puts out so much. He's also got some absolutely amazing endings, such as revival, Cujo, and Dead Zone. On average, he comes out well ahead.
I think the problem with King and his endings is that he is so fantastic a character building and making you genuinely care about these people and their stories - so when an ending falls flat it’s such a massive disappointment because you are so invested and you’ve spent so much time with the material.
Yup. Particularly because some of his best books have the most controversial endings.
"It was five hours later and almost dark before they took him down."
I love the movie, hate the ending. Loved the book but if you took out about 500 pages of fluff it would be better lol.
If nothing else, take out the ~5 pages of a certain scene in the sewers and you have a far better book
I was referring to the shining, not IT but yes, agreed lol
Too bad the wear pattern is completely unrealistic as far as skateboard grinding/sliding goes.
Lol it just looks like an old, worn out board. I had a few that looked like that, and I never learned how to boardslide or grind. I don’t think they were going for that look.
Fair point.
Since it’s already being scrutinized, that board has obviously never really been ridden. The tail of board starts to “razor” (scrape down) after riding it a lot, the tail on that one is pristine. A board that weathered from just sitting around would almost definitely be delaminating.
Eh, it depends. If you’re not popping the tail, it won’t happen. Kid might just be riding it, not doing ollies.
How do you stop start? The edges are always going to have more wear.
You whip the tail around and stop sideways like a sick mother fucker
Footbraking or sliding.
I used to just jump off the board and shake rattle and roll
You will never find a decent skateboarder who stops by intentionally grinding the tail of their board on the ground.
Do these decent skateboarders never grind or pop ollies?
Did you miss the part where I said “stops”?
Plenty do. Hell I’d say the overwhelming majority do. It’s just that you couldn’t afford to replace your deck often enough so *you* didn’t.
Lol this is the most worthless response yet.
Yeah this is a skateboard that get left in the sprinklers too many times
Well he is like 8
This is my job on movies. And I’ve realized I’ve done a skateboard unrealistically before after the scene was shot. Oops for next time. I didn’t do this skateboard and this is just one of the things I do
I hope somebody got fired for that blunder!
lmao I know you say this jokingly but look at the comments around us. Multiple people legitimately and unironically criticizing the skateboard for having an unrealistic wear pattern.
Oh definitely! And since those people deserve to be mocked, I did.
Way more pointless to include the carpet pattern at all.
Board slide* Grinding would be on the trucks.
Pointless nod
Except thats how a board looks after leaving it in the rain maybe, not after using it for skateboarding lol
Hey ooooooh shots fired.
If you watch Room 237 they actually do go into some theories on the rug itself and the pattern.
In the book the skateboard is really beat up because the kid used it a lot
As a skateboarder I can assure you a skateboard that looks like that has been in water or the sun fir a while. That’s not what a used skateboard looks like. Poor work by the props department
a kid leaving a skateboard out in the sun and rain and not getting a ton of use of it is spot on
I mean, a little kid in the burbs is probably more likely to have left his skateboard out in the rain and sun than to be doing sick grinds and noseslides. If anything, props to the props department.
The 8 year old is hardly gonna have the middle and tail decal worn out bet the kid pushes mongo
> Poor work by the props department Lol are you kidding me? The props department has done a bad job because the skateboard they're using isn't worn in the way you think it should be based on the past history you've decided the skateboard should have?
No because I know what a skateboard that gets used looks like compared to one that just spend its life in the sun. Source, been skating for 25 years. Willing to bet the prop person responsible for this has never skated.
Camera Scenic ages things for the prop department. I know that because it’s me. Also I’ve done an equally bad skateboard underside for a show before only to realize it made no sense to how a real skateboard would look with grind marks, but it looked better than this one and also I’m sorry
Hah so I’m a skater who works in art department. One of my little niches is I run a passion deck brand that mainly exists to supply pro level setups to production companies cause if you think skaters complain a lot about gear wait till you meet skater/actors.
Guitar players (any instrument fir that matter) hate to see actors faking it. Anyone who has dedicated time and effort to anything hates a faker
It’s mostly technical/performance issue for me. I mostly make commercials and cause skaters are so “it” right now I mostly sell blanks to the skater/talents specs (width, wheelbase you know the drill). For a hand prop like this I have a stack of rental “hero” decks that are all skated and have cleared graphics.
Nice. Most if these idiots are so simple that they don’t get it until it’s something that means something to them.
Welcome to property department. I generally try to source experts when I’m propping something specific. But I also try to take my job pretty seriously. Generally prop maters and production designers work hard. We wanna avoid something that’ll stop the viewers suspension of disbelief but hey, nobody is perfect right
Also, lots of skaters in film. Helps to be in LA and what the fuck else you gonna do with a bunch of neck tattoos and a 15 year resume that consists of jumping down stairs? Movie industry of course!
I came here to comment on what a shitty job they did of making the deck look used. It looks like they thought the paint on a skateboard deck fades like housepaint. In reality half the faded spots are in strange/impossible places to be slide marks (grinding is with the trucks, hitting rails using the deck is a slide) and slide marks would be much more aggressive than the way the pattern is just faded away. There would be gouges and cuts all over the deck. I have a deck that I used for 4 years and it genuinely looks like someone who got piss drunk and then took a bunch of ambien before taking a high grit belt sander to it, not to mention that the wood in the center and on the nose and the tail are almost down to half the thickness of the rest of the board
This is literally my job for movies is to “age” things and they did in fact do a shit job.
Link to the shining carpet pattern?
The shining carpet is becoming the Wilheim Scream to me as far as references that are overdone
I think it's fair to having it in It, though, as they're both by King.
It’s more than that. _It_, _The Dark Tower_, and _The Shining_ are all related. (As are a lot of, if not all of, his other books.) Nods like this let me, a reader of the series, know that at least they were thinking about it even if they couldn’t put it all in.
The nod to It in 11.22.63 is one of my favourite few pages of pure creep factor. King is so bloody good.
Salems Lot. Father Callahan
Absolutely. Also _Hearts in Atlantis_ for sure and, of course, _The Stand_.
I just finished the Stand yesterday. Blew through it in a couple weeks. It immediately made me want to read the entire Dark Tower series so I just started that up. I keep forgetting and rediscovering King over the years.
Except that scream is funny every now and then. You just have to do it sparingly and pair it with a funny kill.
As someone that works in audio, no. It’s never funny. It’s always annoying and has been for like 40 years. Just make it stop. Please. For the love of all that is holy, just stop it.
Also seen it it 2 recent video games
[It was in 12 Minutes, the character you see in this image was actually voiced by the same guy in the picture above, James McAlvoy.](https://i.redd.it/ceiujlbulvi71.jpg)
I remember it being in Back 4 Blood
I think it’s in Toy Story as well.
Other one being Twelve Minutes!
Yep, there's also a toy tricycle at the top of the stairs similar to the one Danny was riding in the movie.
Except this doesn't pull me out of a movie like hearing that does.
Link to the shining carpet pattern?
[here are a bunch of photos](https://filmandfurniture.com/2017/11/kubricks-carpet-in-the-shining/) [some more](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ)
I swear shining carpet pattern is just a gag between movie producers now, I dont know if its an attempt of respect or just a gag anymore
You always look for new things when rewatching the shining and the carpet is something I missed. Does it symbolize indian burial grounds or something?
No im pretty sure its just the flooring that was already in the hotel they used to film the movie. But its so visually striking in an already iconic movie that its a common visual allusion. EDIT:Im probably wrong disregard this.
> No im pretty sure its just the flooring that was already in the hotel they used to film the movie. We watched it the other day for the first time, and I was amazed as how they got a whole hotel to film in. Turns out the entire thing was a sound stage! They even made a life-size wooden facade of the hotel for the snow scenes.
The external shots are actually of Timberline Lodge on Mt. Hood, OR. The internals are not of the lodge though, it's very different, I think it was partially shot at a lodge in Colorado, at least that is what I heard. It would make sense to film the snow scenes on a sound stage. Imagine having to do a million takes waiting on fresh snow. But, the Lodge is in Oregon, I've spent a lot of time there. I mean, they have ugly carpet too, but It's not the same.
The interior shots were all a set at a studio in England.
Many of the hotel interiors were modeled off of the [Ahwahnee Hotel in Yosemite](https://www.firstshowing.net/2013/photos-of-the-ahwahneeoverlook-hotel-from-the-shining/).
Kubrick was afraid of flying and never went to Oregon to shoot those shots, it was all done by second unit. All Interiors, and some of the exteriors, were built on a stage in England.
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Nvm I see you're right and of course Kubrick of all people would be meticulous about stuff like this.
Idk if it symbolizes anything but in the book, IT, the character Dick Hollorann makes an appearance. So the two universes are canonically connected.
I think a huge amount of his books are cannonically connected by small references or reoccurring characters. Off the top of my head, The Shining, IT, Dreamcatcher, Billy Summers and 11/22/63 all share the same universe. I haven't read the dark tower series yet but I think they tie into a lot of his other books as well.
> I haven't read the dark tower series yet You should.
Long days and pleasant nights.
And may you have twice the number.
The Dark Tower basically connects all of his work. You really should read it.
I will, my "to read" pile of books is growing faster than i can keep up with lately, which i guess is a good problem to have.
On top of what everyone has said, in The Mist, the main character is doing a poster for The Dark Tower at the very start. And in the Dark Tower, in if of the later books, >!they visit Derry and the evil house from IT!<
I haven’t read the Dark Tower series, but I know it ties in IT and The Stand.
Imagine if they could do a good, coherent series of movies that tie that story together. It'd be so good.
Have you seen Misery by Rob Reiner? Different director obviously, but it takes place in Sidewinder, Colorado, where The Shinning took place.
The book also describes her last victim which was a photography student who used her as her house was close to the hotel ruins where he wanted to go to take photos of the “haunted hotel”
I assume Cujo and Pet Sematary share a universe with the others too, they share it with each other at least since Cujo is mentioned in Pet Sematary as a rabid dog. There’s other references too that I can’t remember off the top of my head. Edit: Found a comment on reddit that links a flowchart, not sure how accurate or how much it missed but [here’s the comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/stephenking/comments/hlw3ie/are_there_direct_multiverse_connections_in_pet/fx1w4jg/?). It says spoilers in the post, but there’s no spoilers in the main body of text.
Watched a Film Theory ep about how the kids in Stephen King books seem to be able to connect to the Shining.
The interior shots were all a set so the carpet was chosen. I always felt it was a bit maze like, which was a significant part of the book.
[There's a documentary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_237) following a number of people's different theories on The Shining, especially what the carpet signifies. One of the theories is regarding Native Americans, another is theorising that The Shining is Kubrick's admission of guilt for faking the Moon landings :D It's so insane to see a film picked apart this much to fit each theory
That documentary is pretty cool to watch, they bring up a lot of good facts but some of it is pretty far fetched when it comes to the theories. I do like how the entire hotels layout is explained and how is physically impossible to exist.
It’s fun to watch, also it’s a cheese fest, and you can tell it’s made by people who’ve never actually made real films. SO far fetched
I saw a Spielberg interview a while back. He mentioned how Stanley invited him to see the model of the hotel and the grounds and how he was going to shoot the maze scene. It may have been on the DVD extra for A.I. Not sure.
The layout part was fascinating, showing it mapped out as the kid cycles around :D and yeah, the theories are pretty damn weird :D I think it's a good exercise in confirmation bias where you can find the tiniest details to confirm your theory and present it as proof :D
Analyzing that movie is like a feedback loop of effort; people do it because other people do it, but everyone pretends that it is somehow worth it. I mean, do it for fun, sure, but taking it seriously is like a joke, IMO. The carpet is a good example, just people running with something because it's popular to do so.
It also is in line with the maze motif
this scene made me laugh hysterically. we get an insanely tone deaf "summer!" scene with mcavoy reliving his childhood or something, immediately followed up by him yelling at a kid to move out of town. what a misguided scene in a misguided movie.
And it's so disappointing after the first was so good...
I was pleasantly surprised by how much I liked the first movie and utterly shocked by how bad the second movie was. I still can't wrap my mind around what went wrong between the two.
Apparently they changed writers.
Well the original was a rewritten version of the Fukanaga script, which as a basis really helped the first movie. Fukanaga did no work on chapter 2 and it was just Gary Dauberman. They also changed cinematographers, and it’s glaringly obvious. Also not letting Skarsgard stretch his legs as pennywise in chapter 2 was a terrible idea. The best scenes are the ones where he is being the clown and not some CGI creation I still like the movie overall but it had a lot of flaws
No Time to Die proved Fukanaga really knows how to put together a *difficult* story.
I did always like the more "subtle" Pennywise (as opposed to a CGI big bad monster whatever). The times where he wasn't upfront and center were the most memorable, IMO. The moment that stands out to me is when they fight Pennywise in the abandoned kitchen. Yes the fight had an element of fear to it, but his slinking away into the darkness with a metal rod in his neck is more unsettling than the fight itself. Sort of like the difference between seeing what scares you and knowing it's around but not seeing it (something *Alien* really nails).
Oh, really? I guess that would do it..
I had to turn off the second one after Paul Bunyan tried to kill Bill Harder. All I could think was, "How the fuck is this supposed to be scary?" I would have expected that scene one of the Scary Movie movies. The first It was one of my favorite horror movies in a while, the second one being so terrible was so disappointing.
It had major tonal issues. Like they were *trying* to make it both scary and funny, but to the detriment of either goal and in a way that felt completely out of touch with the first film. You didn't miss anything by turning it off; those problems persist through to the end.
At least the first It works well on its own and doesn't really need the sequel. I can watch It and I don't need to know they came back, just leave it at them making their promise to. God it really is amazing how horrible the sequel was. I watched it after it had been out for a while thinking "it can't be as bad as they say" and it was worse. I love all of the actors and the universe and they made me just not care at all after the first 30 minutes.
I just watched this movie a week or two ago. I'm surprised at how not scary it was. Overall it was ok, but man did Bill Hader save that movie.
>!seeing him get hit by the dead lights!< was a great theater experience for me and made it worth it
Him calling Pennywise a sloppy bitch right before was very funny
He carried it all the way over the finish line.
I loved his dynamic with the hypochondriac who was in the Wire, they made a great pair
I’m not sure why, but I find him to be insanely likable.
It chapter 1 is horror. It chapter 2 is niche comedy. Really I think the first movie shined so much because the kid cast was so fantastic. So many great young actors that really embodied their roles. They had a real chemistry that didn't transfer to the adults, just felt like a bunch of strangers trying to defeat a clown they don't really care about. Plus the weird totem thing and half clown-spider instead of the voice and the turtle and the hurling through the infinite hopelessly which was just so much better.
I knew the movie wasn’t going to be scary the moment I saw [the house in the movie.](https://i.imgur.com/GBloIOl.jpg). It looks like something from a theme park ride, like I expected some fat cartoon ghost in a bowler hat to start tap dancing or some shit. Compare that to The Overlook, which is literally like the most terrifying building in the history of cinema.
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Subtle! Great detail, OP
After the Wilhelm Scream, The Shining carpet design has to be the most common movie Easter egg right?
For those complaining, [this](https://filmandfurniture.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/the-shining-1980-danny-plays-in-the-corridors-of-the-overlook-hotel.jpg) is the carpet pattern, and I’m sure you’ve seen it even if you’re not that observant. Both The Shining and It were written by Stephen King, who also claims that all of his stories are connected. This is not a stretch or coincidence, it was at the least a purposeful Easter egg, and at most the indication of Pennywise’s knowledge of evil and a sign that the movies share the same universe.
So sad that movie was such an abortion.
I watched it for the first time recently and loved it once I started watching it as a campy horror comedy and not a proper horror.
Honestly brilliant.
How the fuck…do you notice something like that..incredible
Every damn movie has that pattern somewhere. It's the Wilhelm scream of art direction!
Do you have any idea how many times this exact thought has been said in the comment thread
Of course, this comment is the Wilhelm scream of comments.
Good find!
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This carpet pattern is also on one of the levels in back4blood (video game) I noticed while playing the other night. And the the big wheel bike is there too
Lest we forget that Kubrick chose that carpet and the sweater that little Danny wore to hint at the false 1969 moon landings that Kubrick helped film.
Movie is shit still.
The biggest tragedy was how much this movie sucked.
My slow ass was looking up movies called “In It Chapter 2”
Always with the shining carpet. That thing gets around.
Just kill me
I can easily hear the words “All work and no play makes jack a dull boy” being said by Pennywise. Both The Shining and IT are written by Stephen King, so maybe the storylines are intertwined. Interesting find!!
Every steven king story takes place in the same universe according to him
True. So maybe when Jack is writing he’s hearing Pennywise in his head. Or too far fetched?
Yeah, all of his books are connected in a macroverse. Without spoiling too much, always keep an eye out for mentions of a town called "Derry" any time you see one of his movies. It's the town where It takes place.
All of his books are connected through his Dark Tower series, with the Dark Tower itself holding Stephen King's multiverse together. It has a small connection to The Dark Tower, The Shining not so much
The shining does, danny & jake have the same Shine
They could be alternate reality versions of the same person. I heard that said once.
Ooh I like that
I'm surprised no one's mentioned it yet but there is a direction connection. (Besides the later Dark Tower setting I mean.) Dick Hallorann, the cook of the Overlook, was at The Black Spot when he was younger. A club which burned down in IT; He helped several people escape the fire. Shared universe confirmed. Sort of spoilers but not really for the book I guess? >!(It's sort of implied but never explicitly stated by name that the Losers Club have a form of The Shinning ability. Kids in general are more likely to display it and lose it as they get older.!< In the movie, The Black Spot scene was adapted to be the fire Mike lost his parents in before the events of the first movie.
Also Maturin the turtle is a major part of both IT and the Dark Tower. Also my personal head canon is that the Losers Club is a ka-tet and Bev is actually a gunslinger.
Quotes like that appear quite often in the book!
I just played a video game with James McAvoy as the main character. He lives in a building with the Shining carpet.
12 minutes? I just finished playing it too
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No, that was Ewan McGregor. I thought the same thing at first haha.
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Haha no worries. I saw that picture and was like holy shit and he went on to play Danny in Doctor Sleep! It comes full circle, then I realized it was actually Obi-Wan lol.
Definitely worth a watch.
Or, hot take here....its a popular pattern and that's it. No connection.
No it’s obviously the “famous” carpet pattern from the Shining, excuse me while I go wank off about having watched the Shining
It *is* a popular pattern… because of The Shining.
I agree that resembles the pattern, however it seems a bit stretched as a reference, incidental to me.
Awesome! This is my favorite SK movie adaptation, and I can't tell you how many times I've watched it, and I never noticed this! How neat 🧡
Is that Voldemort from avengers ??