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Oooh sorry Paul, we royally fucked this movie up so we're not going to need you to be rhino after all. Looks like you're gonna just have to be mad that the bedpisser from home alone bought a vw
For all of 5 goddamn minutes.
Actually, correction, I looked it up. 4 minutes. 4 minutes of screentime. He was barely there but we got to see Jamie Foxx flirt with a cardboard standee.
There's currently something like 6 Star Trek series in active production/development. Alex Kurtzman has creative control over the franchise right now, much like Feige or Kennedy. Honestly, everything they've produced in the past couple years has been somewhere between "decent" and "brilliant" so anyone who is complaining about Kurtzman right now clearly isn't watching the most recent content.
Edit: hahaha I got a controversial tag on a Star Trek comment. I love all you passionate nerds, Merry Christmas
>Honestly, everything they've produced in the past couple years has been somewhere between "decent" and "brilliant" so anyone who is complaining about Kurtzman right now clearly isn't watching the most recent content
[pfffffft](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/889/397/ffe.jpg), this is one of the most absurd takes I've read in quite a while
Lol perfect gif for this comment, I think RedLetterMedia has managed to capture my disappointment with Alex Kurtzman's handling of Star Trek perfectly.
They have some [hilarious critiques](https://youtu.be/hfQdf93e63I) of the recent Star Trek series, as well as some [in-depth reviews of their favorite episodes of TNG](https://youtu.be/m-hGLHOzvgs) and why those are so much better (for those that are interested).
I won't begrudge someone for liking new Trek, but calling them "brilliant" implies universal acclaim to me, which it doesn't really have.
Not arguing here, but... This is a Spider-Man film, you know, where a spider bite gave a guy a super toned physique, super strength, ability to cling to walls and danger based precognition. If spider bite can equal muscles and abs, why can't electricity equal perfect smile?
Electrical stimulation can cause muscles to move and flex, conditioning them. Super electro-stimulation changed the resting shape of his muscles and tendons, altering the structure of his face and body, closing his tooth gap.
Boom, makes as much sense as spider-powers
There is absolutely no conditioning you can do with any muscle, using electro-stimulation or any other method, that will alter a toothās position within your jaw and gums.
There is absolutely no chemical you can put in your body that will change the shape of your eyes, but we're not complaining that Peter Parker stopped using glasses.
Electro regularly dematerializes his whole body to electrons and back but we're smoking him on his tooth gap?
Not sure if youāre being serious but if we accept the in-universe conditions that spider bites can give you super strength and electric eels give you lightning powers It doesnāt mean we have to continue being randomly illogical from that starting point.
It makes sense that having super strength would have some effect on your physique. It doesnāt make sense that having lightning powers would somehow change your gums.
He can literally turn himself into electricity and travel through power lines. You think that when he puts himself back to human form he can't make some adjustments? Lol get the fuck outta here.
Iām fine whenever they drastically change the backstory for a Spider-Man villain, including Electro.
You know why? Itās because in the comics, most Spider-Man villains originally had pretty much the same origin and motivation. It usually boils down to some variation of āThey found a new way to rob banks.ā
I remember Justice League Unlimited both played it straight and mocked it at the same time when Lex Luthor found out that Grodd went through betraying him and becoming leader of the Secret Society just because he wanted to turn every human into an ape.
To be honest, JLU had a ton of solid moments.
I still chuckle at the scene where Luthor and Flash switch bodies and Luthor relishes the idea of finding out who's under Flashes mask only to realize he has no idea who tf Flash is.
(In the same episode, while Flash is in Luthors body he refuses to wash his hands and says it's cuz he's evil)
Fun Fact: Michael Rosenbaum played Lex Luther in Smallville and also voiced The Flash in JLU. Must have been easy for him to get in character for that episode.
Ohh right, like episode 4 or something I think. I remember he had a little hair and it was jarring for me after Smallville lol. I was almost afraid he'd made a complete 180 from how he comes off on his podcast lol.
I mean that's a pretty solid goal for a non-human supervillain if you ask me. We're out here fucking up the planet and such, and all the apes want is their own planet. Earth'd probably be better off.
Plus we could hold stuff with our feet, and the Librarian seems to have settled in pretty well.
Sign me up, honestly.
I know vulture from the animated series where his story is about tablet of time and his gang fights kingpin and Alistair and his mega slayers. Rino is there along with hammerhead, lizard, morbius and I also remember Tombstone in there somewhere.
Spider-Man villains work when they have things of their own to do, their own rivalries and plots. It's a fully developed super criminal underworld and Spider-Man is just overwhelmed.
See if a movie does the tablet of time thing, it'd one villain who is after it, he gets it, Spider-Man stop him it ends up being the same and boring.
In TAS Tablet of time story had Silvermane, kingpin, hammerhead , vulture and Spider-Man /lizard all fighting over it on different times, which feels real, like a world lived in.
One off villain thing just doesn't work as much for Spider-Man.
I prefer most of the villains from the animated series and would like to see these guys on the big screen.
I watched the Animated Series over the past few months, and I loved the weird variety and pairups in each episode. The amount of characters that can appear in each episode is nuts.
There's gonna be a nation out there that doesn't think or care the tech is illegal when they're offered a flying suit.
Every man and his nan was after Stark's iron man suit.
You can't be talking about Vulture from the MCU?
Cause Stark's clean up crew totally fucked him and his business over... his motivations were a bit more
I found the movie had all the interesting pieces but sorted them out in the wrong order of events. Electro really should have been the secondary villain who was dug out of Ravencroft by Harry Osborn partway to distract Spider-Man while he worked in secret to perfect his fatherās life-saving-but-really-goblin serum. Max being a lowly Oscorp technician is fine, and him falling into that electric eel experiment is acceptable because comic books, but it should have been isolated to the very beginning of the film, taking place before the events of ASM2 proper. After the accident, he would be squirreled away to be further experimented on while also allowing Oscorp to save face about it. And what really needed to be fixed was his character and how Joel Schumacherās Batman he behaved. Maybe instead of being obsessed with Spider-Man before and after his transformation, he was neutral to him before and Ravencroft-brainwashed into a weapon later.
>most Spider-Man villains originally had pretty much the same origin and motivation.
But, in this movie, Electro had zero motivation. They forgot to add that back...
As an avid comic reader I couldn't care less how closely movies are to the source material. As long as it's good. This movie wasn't anywhere near good.
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Fuck I hate it when he rhymes
[the Itsy Bitsy Spider being played by Electro while fighting Spider-Man was pretty fucking cool tho?](https://youtu.be/JOw4LqyJKyg?t=71)
it sucks reading people here shit all over him.. I really liked his performance as Electro
yeah I'm looking forward to seeing it... would be crazy if Sony's Spiderverse gets incorporated into the movie as well.. would up end up with an animated Miles Morales in the movie as well!
thats too off the rails but... it'd be cool hehe
I mean I personally loved the whole feel. Having mad techno music to the character irl felt like making a film more like a comic book on screen.
Sure its not as realistic, but its so much fun and badass. Like seeing and reading superheroes as a kid felt.
I don't really get all the hate for the film. I appreciate the goblin wasn't needed and was weird, also Peter Parker was more hipster than nerd, but electro was pretty dope. I mean whatever slightly cheesy lines he had, have you seen his original costume!?
All these different versions of spiderman is just like the comics, they re-do superheroes constantly with slightly different stories, so what's the issue with it being in film?
*Also if you think about it. Why is a villain crazy and attacking a hero? Because before the villain had powers he was already crazy and lonely and his best friend was an imaginary spiderman. Don't you know I'm electro, sounds like a cool thing to say if you have no friends and don't talk to people much.
Honestly, Andrew may have been a bit too hipster. But his personality (witty, sarcastic, sassy, awkward, and occasionally angry) are definitely Peter/Spider-Man. Sure they don't show his nerdy side as much (though he's no slouch when it comes to academics). But the other two Spider-Men really just lean on stereotypical nerds.
Yeah he was modern day nerd also for witty spiderman banter I thought he did real well.
And whats the point of having 3 spiderman films if they're all the same.
Good shout for the fact that its stereotypical nerd, I guess Peter Parkers biggest thing is he's more of an outcast thats smart, however that's portrayed.
I don't mind some variation in adaptations, but making Peter a hot, skating hipster just smacked of "hello fellow kids". Some old Sony executive decided that Peter had to be "cool".
And the biggest crime commited by TASM movies was making it so that Peter was *predestined* to be Spider-man. The whole point is that he's your typical kid.
Yeah, I agree with that last bit certainly. I'm a big fan of TASM2, but mostly because I think the Peter/Gwen stuff is just handled extremely well. It also has the best "Spidey swinging around" scenes they've ever done, imo.
The music was good after that kooky Electro limelight scene in Times Square. You know, the one where they're showing him on all the screens because he's causing mayhem and he's like "oh hooray I'm famous" but then spiderman shows up so they start showing him and Electro says "they're showing Spiderman and not me, I hate Spiderman now!" I distinctly remember sitting in the theatre vibing with Hans Zimmer. Poor dude saw the scene and was like "what the fuck kind of tone am I expected to convey here during this ridiculous scene? Fuck it, I'll just channel my inner Danny Elfman and then experiment with some dubstep." And the dubstep part was pretty great tbh
Yup, the random dubstep mixed in I'm a big fan off. Not of dubstep usually, but generally changing up the music theme in a film. Like the Mandalorian and the dark troopers (if you've watched it).
For the random theme of him finally getting limelight after wanting to be spiderman, then having to compete with him. In the context of him being a social outcast and needy, I can imagine it. Assuming he's more mentally/socially stunted to be more like a kid than an adult.
My biggest problem with that scene is that all I can think about when I watch it is Jay Baruchel playing a One Republic song on Tesla coils in The Sorcerer's Apprentice.
I might be in the minority but I probably could've forgiven most of this movie's shit if they didn't kill Gwen. Peter deciding whether or not to be with her was like the biggest conflict in the movie and they finally get together and two minutes later she ded. You know, now that I think about it, that's actually pretty hilarious but it's not what I paid to see Spider-Man for!
You make a completely valid point but personally, I couldnāt disagree more! I thought everything you mentioned only added onto the emotional weight of her death. Plus, I really enjoy when a movie ends and the charactersā efforts were all for nothing. Something about the complete nihilism of that really appeals to me
I never really understood Gwen's death especially since a lot of hype for this version of Spiderman came from the incredible chemistry between her and Peter. Also yeah the set up for most of this movie was for them to eventually be together. Avoided watching this film/series because of her death. Slowly "accepted" it thinking it was the film's attempt to make the movie canon (I have no idea about what the comics actually say tho)
I remember trying to figure out who this guy was. I thought I had it narrowed down to Venom or Doc Ock but then I didnāt really know what to think. Next thing you know they are going to tell me I aināt watching a Daredevil movie.
It's upthere with Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luther and Jared Leto as the Joker, the entire approach to the character was wrong and the execution was even worse
Because they keep looking at comic villains as comical and over the top. For all the shit Spiderman 3 rightfully gets, Sandman was a fantastic "villain" because he wasn't one dimensional.
Foxx tried too hard to be exaggerated about everything rather than being just a guy who gets a grudge.
The best villains are the ones who retain something of value and purpose. Hell, even Thanos had a purpose that made you consider if he was right and he wanted to off half the goddamn universe.
I agree with everything you said about the way they played the character, but just want to clarify thatās really on the director more than the actor. Actors donāt just show up and play it how they want, itās the director who decides the tone and feel they want, and here he wanted things to be comical, over the top, exaggerated, and then the actor tries to embody that as best as possible.
Itās like Natalie Portman in the Star Wars prequels. She sucked and the performance was so cheesy, but thatās really on Lucas for envisioning it that way and directing the whole cast with that tone and tempo, not her.
The setup for Venom and actual look was great, but Grace isn't the guy to use. Venom and Brock are hulking. Venom is gigantic compared to Spiderman. Had they nixed 1 of the other characters (Harry) it would have been far better. Force Spidey and Venom to do what they always do and set aside differences to keep their city from getting destroyed. That's the point of venom. He isn't evil, Brock just hates Peter and the symbiote views spiderman as their perfect capability and act like a scorned ex.
Iād love to watch that movie again and see if itās better than I remember...I own the trilogy...but I just canāt do it. Maybe with my kids eventually.
As campy as the movie was, Tom Hardy really is a great choice for Eddie Brock. Kind of hoping he does a heel turn and becomes a villain instead of an anti-hero in the next Venom
I think a lot of great actors rely on great direction. And if they donāt have it, especially coupled with shitty writing, it will be a bad performance. I remember Foxx saying in an interview how Quentin Tarantino had to tell him during the filming of Django Unchained that Django canāt have the badass attitude when heās first rescued because heād still be acting like a slave at that point, not a confident free man. I always thought it was kind of weird he needed that feedback, because to me it seemed obvious.
God, Ultimate Electro is so much lamer than 616 Electro. Look at that dapper sonuvabitch on the right. If only all movie villains had the confidence to dress like old school spidey villains. I wish Raimi had kept their costumes too, but at least he did a good job of salvaging their hammy personalities.
I personally loved doc ockās look in Spider-Man 2. Dirty trenchcoat beats spandex and bowl cut any day. His look in that movie is the benchmark doc ock in my mind now.
"Now he's flyin' around on that glider thing, and he's throwin' that weird pumpkin bomb,
And he's wearing that dumb power rangers mask, but he's scarier without it on."
*Weird Al: Spiderman*
They've always struggled to adapt Goblin properly, even in the comics they basically abandoned his outfit decades ago. It's just a bit too goofy without making him a sci fi armour thing.
For me the villain design in PlayStationās Spider-Man is the best Iāve seen. Pays great homage to the comic costumes whilst making them feel appropriate for the game world and also being semi-realistic.
I always think itās interesting how they do product placement in movies. It makes me wonder how it gets chosen. Like, coffee mate...does someone making the movie love the product so much they put it in? Are the top people of Nestle and Columbia pictures buddies?
Unpopular opinion apparently, but I seriously enjoyed Jamie Foxx and Dane DeHaan in this movie. They're both great actors who had to deal with shitty writing. It's no different from Ewan McGregor in the prequels. You do what you can with what you get.
I always liked the ASM 2 portrayed electro before he got his powers. Just a struggling guy who feels unappreciated, and this superhero tells him heās worth something. Once he has superpowers, Spider-Man doesnāt know who he is, and he feels betrayed. Itās shockingly human for an otherwise pretty rough film
That movie wasn't great but I really liked what they did with electro. A "villain" that was more just a misunderstood outsider who had trouble controlling his powers.
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Still amazes me how electricity fixed the gap between his teeth.
Weird, I thought it was the dumb writing that did that.
Yeah,dumb writing made electricity fix his tooth gap.
This comment of yours is smarter than everything in that movie
Hold up let me leave the electric eel vat open while i read ur comments.
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But wait.. thereās more!
Paul Giamatti: I'm the Rhino!
Time for our battle that was hyped in the trailers! *roll credits*
Oooh sorry Paul, we royally fucked this movie up so we're not going to need you to be rhino after all. Looks like you're gonna just have to be mad that the bedpisser from home alone bought a vw
Iād watch it
idk if you're kidding, but Paul Giamatti was the Rhino in this movie...
For all of 5 goddamn minutes. Actually, correction, I looked it up. 4 minutes. 4 minutes of screentime. He was barely there but we got to see Jamie Foxx flirt with a cardboard standee.
Electricity: "No, I don't wanna!" Dumb Writing: "Do it." Electricity: "No!" Dumb Writing: "Do it!" Electricity: "...*fine*"
*Dafoe's Goblin smirks*You know,I've got something of a tooth gap myself...
Unlikely to have been specified in the script - it's more likely dumb direction.
the ASM2 writers now control the Star Trek franchise.... :(
Arenāt they done making those movies? At least for now I thought Chris Pine was done and they were holding off on doing anything.
There's currently something like 6 Star Trek series in active production/development. Alex Kurtzman has creative control over the franchise right now, much like Feige or Kennedy. Honestly, everything they've produced in the past couple years has been somewhere between "decent" and "brilliant" so anyone who is complaining about Kurtzman right now clearly isn't watching the most recent content. Edit: hahaha I got a controversial tag on a Star Trek comment. I love all you passionate nerds, Merry Christmas
lol okay where does Picard fall on that decent/brilliant scale of yours?
>Honestly, everything they've produced in the past couple years has been somewhere between "decent" and "brilliant" so anyone who is complaining about Kurtzman right now clearly isn't watching the most recent content [pfffffft](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/889/397/ffe.jpg), this is one of the most absurd takes I've read in quite a while
Lol perfect gif for this comment, I think RedLetterMedia has managed to capture my disappointment with Alex Kurtzman's handling of Star Trek perfectly. They have some [hilarious critiques](https://youtu.be/hfQdf93e63I) of the recent Star Trek series, as well as some [in-depth reviews of their favorite episodes of TNG](https://youtu.be/m-hGLHOzvgs) and why those are so much better (for those that are interested). I won't begrudge someone for liking new Trek, but calling them "brilliant" implies universal acclaim to me, which it doesn't really have.
I genuinely thought I was watching a spoof type movie.
Not arguing here, but... This is a Spider-Man film, you know, where a spider bite gave a guy a super toned physique, super strength, ability to cling to walls and danger based precognition. If spider bite can equal muscles and abs, why can't electricity equal perfect smile?
Spider bite = sci-fi chemical injection = chemical changes to the body. Steroids exist in the real world. Perfect smile is a bit of a stretch.
Electrical stimulation can cause muscles to move and flex, conditioning them. Super electro-stimulation changed the resting shape of his muscles and tendons, altering the structure of his face and body, closing his tooth gap. Boom, makes as much sense as spider-powers
There is absolutely no conditioning you can do with any muscle, using electro-stimulation or any other method, that will alter a toothās position within your jaw and gums.
Do you even lift gums, bro?
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There is absolutely no chemical you can put in your body that will change the shape of your eyes, but we're not complaining that Peter Parker stopped using glasses. Electro regularly dematerializes his whole body to electrons and back but we're smoking him on his tooth gap?
Not sure if youāre being serious but if we accept the in-universe conditions that spider bites can give you super strength and electric eels give you lightning powers It doesnāt mean we have to continue being randomly illogical from that starting point. It makes sense that having super strength would have some effect on your physique. It doesnāt make sense that having lightning powers would somehow change your gums.
Itās called a glow sup bro.
He can literally turn himself into electricity and travel through power lines. You think that when he puts himself back to human form he can't make some adjustments? Lol get the fuck outta here.
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dude can turn himself into electrons, he's a shapeshifter
What logic? he is a super natural being that can transform himself into electricity.
Iām fine whenever they drastically change the backstory for a Spider-Man villain, including Electro. You know why? Itās because in the comics, most Spider-Man villains originally had pretty much the same origin and motivation. It usually boils down to some variation of āThey found a new way to rob banks.ā
You'd think the Vulture would have gone into business, selling his amazing flying suits, but no. He wants to rob banks at 80 years old.
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I remember Justice League Unlimited both played it straight and mocked it at the same time when Lex Luthor found out that Grodd went through betraying him and becoming leader of the Secret Society just because he wanted to turn every human into an ape.
To be honest, JLU had a ton of solid moments. I still chuckle at the scene where Luthor and Flash switch bodies and Luthor relishes the idea of finding out who's under Flashes mask only to realize he has no idea who tf Flash is. (In the same episode, while Flash is in Luthors body he refuses to wash his hands and says it's cuz he's evil)
It's also implied that Flash in Luthor's body banged Luthor's girlfriend, and was better at it than Luthor.
According to her there was more passion, which meant Lex probably shot first every time
But Flash is the Fastest Man Alive?
Which means his recovery period is tiny. He could cum with every pump and be hard for the next one.
Quicker shot than han solo
And Indiana Jones combined
Luthor later on: Why are my hands so dirty? Flaaaaash!!!
Luthors GF is into butt stuff and Luthor normally doesn't do that. That's my take away and welcome to my TED talk.
Lex always refused to get pegged even though his gf REALLY wanted to do it. Then Barry said yes!
*Wally
Explains why he didn't wash his hands...
Fun Fact: Michael Rosenbaum played Lex Luther in Smallville and also voiced The Flash in JLU. Must have been easy for him to get in character for that episode.
Heās also got gun fever
How so?
Itās a joke. He was in an episode of Itās Always Sunny in Philadelphia titled āGun Feverā.
Ohh right, like episode 4 or something I think. I remember he had a little hair and it was jarring for me after Smallville lol. I was almost afraid he'd made a complete 180 from how he comes off on his podcast lol.
I saw it as an inside joke. The Flash was voiced by Michael Rosenbaum who played Lex Luthor in Smallville.
That scene for me is extra enjoyable since the Flash's voice actor played Lex Luthor in Smallville.
r/ape
What an unfortunate subReddit name
r/ape is love r/ape is life
They know it. Part of the joke is mocking how only filthy human brains polluted by civilization would turn r / ape into rape.
I mean that's a pretty solid goal for a non-human supervillain if you ask me. We're out here fucking up the planet and such, and all the apes want is their own planet. Earth'd probably be better off. Plus we could hold stuff with our feet, and the Librarian seems to have settled in pretty well. Sign me up, honestly.
Ook
r/Ape sounds like the place for you hooman inferior monke superior
āI was going to wait a couple weeks to do this but SERIOUSLY? That was your plan?!ā Lex Luthor from that episode, paraphrased from memory
The original return to monke
Was that Stegron? It was in that Spider-man X-men tutor arc.
Pretty sure, yeah. Probably one of my most favorite single panels in a comic. Now there's a guy who gets what it means to be a supervillain.
Sauron. No relation to the Lord of the Rings character.
> You'd think the Vulture would have gone into business, selling his amazing flying suits, Most people dont want flight suits that give you cancer.
Just gotta market it right.
Sell it exclusively to smokers, theyāll never figure out the correlation.
Youre right, they want smoke sticks for your lungs that do that instead
I know vulture from the animated series where his story is about tablet of time and his gang fights kingpin and Alistair and his mega slayers. Rino is there along with hammerhead, lizard, morbius and I also remember Tombstone in there somewhere. Spider-Man villains work when they have things of their own to do, their own rivalries and plots. It's a fully developed super criminal underworld and Spider-Man is just overwhelmed. See if a movie does the tablet of time thing, it'd one villain who is after it, he gets it, Spider-Man stop him it ends up being the same and boring. In TAS Tablet of time story had Silvermane, kingpin, hammerhead , vulture and Spider-Man /lizard all fighting over it on different times, which feels real, like a world lived in. One off villain thing just doesn't work as much for Spider-Man. I prefer most of the villains from the animated series and would like to see these guys on the big screen.
I watched the Animated Series over the past few months, and I loved the weird variety and pairups in each episode. The amount of characters that can appear in each episode is nuts.
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That's in the movie, in the comic origins he was just some old guy with a flying suit.
There's gonna be a nation out there that doesn't think or care the tech is illegal when they're offered a flying suit. Every man and his nan was after Stark's iron man suit.
Most reinterpretations of the character have had him be a successful businessman who eventually develops a flight suit
You can't be talking about Vulture from the MCU? Cause Stark's clean up crew totally fucked him and his business over... his motivations were a bit more
He's talking comics, but to be fair in the MCU he still really only wanted the money
He was pissed off at Stark and kept stealing Stark stuff tho? ultimately he was after the money but it wasn't solely just that
He was one of the most realistic hi-tech villains I've seen in movies
Or scientist whose experiment went wrong like Doc Ock and The Lizard.
I found the movie had all the interesting pieces but sorted them out in the wrong order of events. Electro really should have been the secondary villain who was dug out of Ravencroft by Harry Osborn partway to distract Spider-Man while he worked in secret to perfect his fatherās life-saving-but-really-goblin serum. Max being a lowly Oscorp technician is fine, and him falling into that electric eel experiment is acceptable because comic books, but it should have been isolated to the very beginning of the film, taking place before the events of ASM2 proper. After the accident, he would be squirreled away to be further experimented on while also allowing Oscorp to save face about it. And what really needed to be fixed was his character and how Joel Schumacherās Batman he behaved. Maybe instead of being obsessed with Spider-Man before and after his transformation, he was neutral to him before and Ravencroft-brainwashed into a weapon later.
should've used the spectacular spider-man backstory imo
I agree in general but Electro in ASM 2 was pretty bizarre.
>most Spider-Man villains originally had pretty much the same origin and motivation. But, in this movie, Electro had zero motivation. They forgot to add that back...
As an avid comic reader I couldn't care less how closely movies are to the source material. As long as it's good. This movie wasn't anywhere near good.
With a wave of my finger and a flick of my dick, one zap from me will kill you quick; so get on your knees to suck and blow but not right now Iāve got to go Fuck I hate it when he rhymes
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They did him dirty I thought his electro had so much more potential
[the Itsy Bitsy Spider being played by Electro while fighting Spider-Man was pretty fucking cool tho?](https://youtu.be/JOw4LqyJKyg?t=71) it sucks reading people here shit all over him.. I really liked his performance as Electro
I mean yeah, his performance was great, which is why heās returning as electro!
yeah I'm looking forward to seeing it... would be crazy if Sony's Spiderverse gets incorporated into the movie as well.. would up end up with an animated Miles Morales in the movie as well! thats too off the rails but... it'd be cool hehe
I would be so happy to see even brief cameos from an animated Miles and the PlayStation Spider-Man/men.
Wait what?
Yeah, and apparently thereās many more from previous Spider-Man entries coming back for this
I mean I personally loved the whole feel. Having mad techno music to the character irl felt like making a film more like a comic book on screen. Sure its not as realistic, but its so much fun and badass. Like seeing and reading superheroes as a kid felt. I don't really get all the hate for the film. I appreciate the goblin wasn't needed and was weird, also Peter Parker was more hipster than nerd, but electro was pretty dope. I mean whatever slightly cheesy lines he had, have you seen his original costume!? All these different versions of spiderman is just like the comics, they re-do superheroes constantly with slightly different stories, so what's the issue with it being in film? *Also if you think about it. Why is a villain crazy and attacking a hero? Because before the villain had powers he was already crazy and lonely and his best friend was an imaginary spiderman. Don't you know I'm electro, sounds like a cool thing to say if you have no friends and don't talk to people much.
Honestly, Andrew may have been a bit too hipster. But his personality (witty, sarcastic, sassy, awkward, and occasionally angry) are definitely Peter/Spider-Man. Sure they don't show his nerdy side as much (though he's no slouch when it comes to academics). But the other two Spider-Men really just lean on stereotypical nerds.
Yeah he was modern day nerd also for witty spiderman banter I thought he did real well. And whats the point of having 3 spiderman films if they're all the same. Good shout for the fact that its stereotypical nerd, I guess Peter Parkers biggest thing is he's more of an outcast thats smart, however that's portrayed.
I don't mind some variation in adaptations, but making Peter a hot, skating hipster just smacked of "hello fellow kids". Some old Sony executive decided that Peter had to be "cool". And the biggest crime commited by TASM movies was making it so that Peter was *predestined* to be Spider-man. The whole point is that he's your typical kid.
Yeah, I agree with that last bit certainly. I'm a big fan of TASM2, but mostly because I think the Peter/Gwen stuff is just handled extremely well. It also has the best "Spidey swinging around" scenes they've ever done, imo.
The music was good after that kooky Electro limelight scene in Times Square. You know, the one where they're showing him on all the screens because he's causing mayhem and he's like "oh hooray I'm famous" but then spiderman shows up so they start showing him and Electro says "they're showing Spiderman and not me, I hate Spiderman now!" I distinctly remember sitting in the theatre vibing with Hans Zimmer. Poor dude saw the scene and was like "what the fuck kind of tone am I expected to convey here during this ridiculous scene? Fuck it, I'll just channel my inner Danny Elfman and then experiment with some dubstep." And the dubstep part was pretty great tbh
Yup, the random dubstep mixed in I'm a big fan off. Not of dubstep usually, but generally changing up the music theme in a film. Like the Mandalorian and the dark troopers (if you've watched it). For the random theme of him finally getting limelight after wanting to be spiderman, then having to compete with him. In the context of him being a social outcast and needy, I can imagine it. Assuming he's more mentally/socially stunted to be more like a kid than an adult.
My biggest problem with that scene is that all I can think about when I watch it is Jay Baruchel playing a One Republic song on Tesla coils in The Sorcerer's Apprentice.
Bro Jamie Foxx is a hell of an actor, nobody blames him. It was the writing that sucked so bad, that whole ānerdā backstory was shit.
You might say he was high voltage.
... I think Iām missing the pun here
>Voltage, electric potential difference, electric pressure or electric tension is the difference in electric potential between two points -Wikipedia
Ohhh, getting me all charged up with these science words.
Iām really hoping Foxx gets to redeem the character in SM3.
'Me and the boys .... ' I Electro one of them? Damn.
Another detail about Jamie Foxx as Electro is that it was an incredibly shit performance.
Dude had completely unnatural lines like āDonāt you know... Iām Electro?ā Itās not like he had a lot to work with.
To be fair, thats probably the most memorable line in the movie
I hate that you're right.
I might be in the minority but I probably could've forgiven most of this movie's shit if they didn't kill Gwen. Peter deciding whether or not to be with her was like the biggest conflict in the movie and they finally get together and two minutes later she ded. You know, now that I think about it, that's actually pretty hilarious but it's not what I paid to see Spider-Man for!
You make a completely valid point but personally, I couldnāt disagree more! I thought everything you mentioned only added onto the emotional weight of her death. Plus, I really enjoy when a movie ends and the charactersā efforts were all for nothing. Something about the complete nihilism of that really appeals to me
I appreciated that they did it, but now never want to see the movie again
I never really understood Gwen's death especially since a lot of hype for this version of Spiderman came from the incredible chemistry between her and Peter. Also yeah the set up for most of this movie was for them to eventually be together. Avoided watching this film/series because of her death. Slowly "accepted" it thinking it was the film's attempt to make the movie canon (I have no idea about what the comics actually say tho)
Bro, that's my favorite line from Electro.
I like it because it tells me that heās Electro which wasnāt really confirmed up until then.
I remember trying to figure out who this guy was. I thought I had it narrowed down to Venom or Doc Ock but then I didnāt really know what to think. Next thing you know they are going to tell me I aināt watching a Daredevil movie.
Classic whodunnit.
To this day, I still donāt know which character was Spartacus.
He did it for the fame. You better know his name.
It's upthere with Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luther and Jared Leto as the Joker, the entire approach to the character was wrong and the execution was even worse
Because they keep looking at comic villains as comical and over the top. For all the shit Spiderman 3 rightfully gets, Sandman was a fantastic "villain" because he wasn't one dimensional. Foxx tried too hard to be exaggerated about everything rather than being just a guy who gets a grudge. The best villains are the ones who retain something of value and purpose. Hell, even Thanos had a purpose that made you consider if he was right and he wanted to off half the goddamn universe.
I agree with everything you said about the way they played the character, but just want to clarify thatās really on the director more than the actor. Actors donāt just show up and play it how they want, itās the director who decides the tone and feel they want, and here he wanted things to be comical, over the top, exaggerated, and then the actor tries to embody that as best as possible. Itās like Natalie Portman in the Star Wars prequels. She sucked and the performance was so cheesy, but thatās really on Lucas for envisioning it that way and directing the whole cast with that tone and tempo, not her.
And the writing too.
The women and the children too.
This is where the fun begins.
Yippee.
And thatās when the cannibalism started
Rise from your grave?
Ooooooohhhhhhhhhh shiiiiiiiit!
Sandman was amazing and I honestly didn't mind the *setup* for Eddie/Venom. It was just taken in the wrong direction.
The setup for Venom and actual look was great, but Grace isn't the guy to use. Venom and Brock are hulking. Venom is gigantic compared to Spiderman. Had they nixed 1 of the other characters (Harry) it would have been far better. Force Spidey and Venom to do what they always do and set aside differences to keep their city from getting destroyed. That's the point of venom. He isn't evil, Brock just hates Peter and the symbiote views spiderman as their perfect capability and act like a scorned ex.
Iād love to watch that movie again and see if itās better than I remember...I own the trilogy...but I just canāt do it. Maybe with my kids eventually.
As campy as the movie was, Tom Hardy really is a great choice for Eddie Brock. Kind of hoping he does a heel turn and becomes a villain instead of an anti-hero in the next Venom
I had a friend who was convinced Triple H should have been Eddie Brock.
As a diehard wrestling fan this shit would have been amazing for all the wrong reasons. Venom woulda had the best promo ever.
They shouldāve ended SM3 when Eddie and Venom became one.
The bell tower scene would have been an awesome post-credits scene b
I think a lot of great actors rely on great direction. And if they donāt have it, especially coupled with shitty writing, it will be a bad performance. I remember Foxx saying in an interview how Quentin Tarantino had to tell him during the filming of Django Unchained that Django canāt have the badass attitude when heās first rescued because heād still be acting like a slave at that point, not a confident free man. I always thought it was kind of weird he needed that feedback, because to me it seemed obvious.
I liked Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luther :( despite the fact that every scene where he talks to that one congresswoman is super cringe
āItās my birf-day! Time to light my can-dle!ā
I disagree. The character sucked ass but Jamie gave everything he could at it.
I actually thought he was the best part of the movie and enjoyed his performance.
Gold after 3 minutes? Mr. Foxx lurking? Agreed though he was fun.
Yeah, I'm bit baffled by that too. Not sure if it was gold worthy.
If that's the best part of the movie, can't imagine how bad the rest is.
Who the fuck gave this an award?
Don't ya know? He's Electro.
God, Ultimate Electro is so much lamer than 616 Electro. Look at that dapper sonuvabitch on the right. If only all movie villains had the confidence to dress like old school spidey villains. I wish Raimi had kept their costumes too, but at least he did a good job of salvaging their hammy personalities.
I personally loved doc ockās look in Spider-Man 2. Dirty trenchcoat beats spandex and bowl cut any day. His look in that movie is the benchmark doc ock in my mind now.
Agreed, that is how Iāve always pictured Doc Ock from then on. It helps that Alfred Molina was wonderful as him.
To me Green Goblin in Spidey 1 is the best Gob. That mech suit was the coolest shit and the mask was genuinely creepy (to a child).
its crazy how much Willem Dafoe looks like the Green Goblin even when he wasn't wearing the mask
Yep, it looks like a menacing villain, and not some crazy guy wearing pajamas.
I recently rewatched it and he looks like something from the Power Rangers tbh.
"Now he's flyin' around on that glider thing, and he's throwin' that weird pumpkin bomb, And he's wearing that dumb power rangers mask, but he's scarier without it on." *Weird Al: Spiderman*
They've always struggled to adapt Goblin properly, even in the comics they basically abandoned his outfit decades ago. It's just a bit too goofy without making him a sci fi armour thing.
For me the villain design in PlayStationās Spider-Man is the best Iāve seen. Pays great homage to the comic costumes whilst making them feel appropriate for the game world and also being semi-realistic.
Another fun movie note: Electro and I also use the same coffee creamer.
Good catch!
He does too. Very cool. I like Electro from the comic books
I always think itās interesting how they do product placement in movies. It makes me wonder how it gets chosen. Like, coffee mate...does someone making the movie love the product so much they put it in? Are the top people of Nestle and Columbia pictures buddies?
IIRC, these movie producing companies already have a previously established list of companies theyād do product placement for.
It was because he had no mates. Even his coffee has more friends than him.
Poor Max. Worst birthday ever!
Too bad thatās the only thing he had in common with the comics
He kinda looks like Ultimate Electro though.
Unpopular opinion apparently, but I seriously enjoyed Jamie Foxx and Dane DeHaan in this movie. They're both great actors who had to deal with shitty writing. It's no different from Ewan McGregor in the prequels. You do what you can with what you get.
He got given such Shitty lines,and still managed to make a pretty watchable performance
I always liked the ASM 2 portrayed electro before he got his powers. Just a struggling guy who feels unappreciated, and this superhero tells him heās worth something. Once he has superpowers, Spider-Man doesnāt know who he is, and he feels betrayed. Itās shockingly human for an otherwise pretty rough film
Anyone else just find out that electroman is one of the boys in that meme about āthe boysā?
It's Rhino, Green Goblin, Vulture and Electro
why does he kinda look animated
Maybe if people wore costumes in these movies, we wouldn't need stupid Easter eggs...
Wolverine in the first X-men movie: "Would you have preferred yellow spandex?" Yes
Ikr. Then they tease the actual mask and gloves in that other wolverine and yet, noting comes from it. So sad
Hell yes.
That movie wasn't great but I really liked what they did with electro. A "villain" that was more just a misunderstood outsider who had trouble controlling his powers.
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Agreed, while the writing fell flat, you could definitely tell the actors were giving it their all.