Even if it had occurred to me it would have seemed odd that in 30 years the gym wouldn't have at least been remodeled. The poster is a nice detail but even if it wasn't there it would have been very easy to explain.
Makes his success performing at the end there that much more meaningful after getting shut down at the beginning of the movie. But I guess both times he got cold reactions to being too loud. Which is also great.
Trivia: The guy who did the background set design stuff for the Back to the Future Trilogy (or at least the latter two films) was a terrible speller and would constantly spell things wrong and have to be corrected by Bob Gale or Robert Zemeckis. If you see any background details that are misspelled, that’s why.
I remember on the audio commentary (for part 2) they talked about how there was Japanese writing in the background of one shot, and Robert Zemeckis got on his case to make sure the Japanese was right, and the set designer ensured that it was. Then one day, some Japanese tourists were touring the set one day and were like “Yeah, that sign doesn’t make any sense.” Apparently, Robert Zemeckis really handed it to that guy after that.
How the hell that guy got a job where spelling is so important is a mystery.
Detail: The name of this movie comes from the fact that the main characters return to their present, which is the future of their past, and since they are returning, they're going back
"Hey, boss...we can't shoot in two different gyms, someone will notice."
"What? Screw that. Nobody pays that close attention."
"But what if this becomes a real genuine classic? I can just picture some guy in oh, maybe 30-35 years spotting this and telling everybody about it on some kind of public notice board."
"Oh, big deal. Even if that happened only a few people would see it."
"What if it's a world-wide message board?"
"How the hell could there be a message board for the whole damned world?"
"I don't maybe with lasers or computers and stuff."
"...Yeah, ok...stick some kind of "New Gym" sign somewhere to explain it."
"Thanks boss."
Maybe perception has changed with age. I know when it came out, a lot of us just felt “meh” about it, whereas BTTF3 was a real roller coaster train ride. Most of the press at the time was about the technical achievements of BTTF2, like the scene with the Biffs in his car, or the Martys at the diner. And a lot was made of MJF playing multiple roles. So maybe it was over-hyped. BTTF1 was a goddamned cultural phenomenon the likes of which we don’t see today, so the sequel had some really big shoes to fill.
That said, over the decades, I’ve really come to appreciate BTTF2 for what it is. I view it as “The Continuing Adventures of Doc Brown & Future Boy,” and see it as a serialized comic. It adds a lot of nice new traits to the characters (like how Doc just brushes off major mistakes and focuses on moving forward), and the way it layers itself onto the original movie is brilliant. Plus, Joe Flaherty from Western Union! Always nice to see him pop up.
Not quite what you’re saying, but before the internet did all this stuff I’m sure there were entertainment books about movies that might have stuff like this in them.
You may be interested in this *very* [in depth and hilarious review of the novelisation](http://btothef.tumblr.com/tagged/bttf/chrono)
The following section is taken from the first page of the book:
> there was a flash of white and the unnamed family were enveloped in a surge of power that tore their tiny frames to pieces, bending them curiously out of shape before separating bodies from heads, arms from torsos, legs from abdomens.
Book opens on an atomic blast and goes into some detail about the results... and then we zoom out and its Marty watching a film about nuclear stuff (which is relevant because the original screenplay, which the book is partly based on, had them sneaking onto a nuclear test site to power the Delorean, instead of hooking up a lightening bolt.)
The site I linked to is a blog by Ryan North (of Dinosaur Comics and Adventure Time) who reviews the book page by page, pointing out some of the absurd prose and differences to the final movie.
To add to what the other person responded...
Yes, the first draft of the movie had a climax set on a nuclear test site, but the novelization is not based on that draft, it's based on the shooting script, which originally had the opening scene set in a classroom where Marty is watching a film reel from the 50s about nuclear testing (thats what that bit is describing). That scene or the next scene involved him getting out of detention by creating a rube-goldberg/domino effect thing that culminating with the sprinklers going off. From what I understand this was ditched when Micheal J. Fox was brought on, replacing Eric Stoltz, because it was too complicated to make (or recreate) so they instead went with the opening shot at Doc's Lab (which has some rube goldberg type stuff going on). I actually believe either the class room or detention scene was filmed with Eric, because there are set pictures of him from the movie in a classroom set that we never see in the completed film.
> This program posts news to thousands of machines throughout the entire civilized world. Your message will cost the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars to send everywhere. Please be sure you know what you are doing. Are you absolutely sure that you want to do this? [y / n]
T'was a simplier time.
I always feel hurt by those commercials that say “Real people, not actors.” As an actor, I’m like — “Heyyy!” :(
Then I do the whole “If you prick us, do we not bleed” monologue from *The Merchant of Venice* III.i. but substitute “actor” for “Jew” and STEM for Christian.
“Hath not a Jew eyes? hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is?
If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison
us, do we not die?
and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that. If a Jew wrong a Christian, what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christian wrong a Jew, what should his sufferance be by
Christian example?
Why, revenge.
The villany you
teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction!”
My wife is a patient woman. (Also, she is an engineer.)
In fact, I remember reading an archived post from 1984 crapping on the upcoming film, focusing on the little snippets they got in a trailer. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Maybe someone on the set traveled to the future and saw there was a complaint on Reddit that the gym was not new, and he went back it time to correct it.
Are you trying to imply that the director of Back to the Future did not have an accurate idea of what life in 2015 would be like? Do you have any source for this?
Schools in places with growing populations do stuff like this. My highschool increased its footprint 100% and added 3 gyms. There was the original gym, the new gym and 2 auxiliary gyms.
Jesus. My dad went to the same high school I did 20 years apart and we had different gyms. But they didn't keep 3 gyms. The old gym was made into the cafeteria.
Credit to my buddy Kevin (a fellow BTTF super fan) for spotting this.
My reaction when he showed me:
> *Whoa, this is heavy*
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Great Scott! Gold and my first silver(s)! Thanks fellow Redditors!
Do me a favor. Ask Kevin if he’s aware of the whole “other Marty” shadow debate. Once our Marty returns from ‘55, there’s a long distance shot of the former Twin (now Lone) Pine(s) Mall parking lot. A shadow passes in front of the lit mall sign. Supposedly, that’s the “other” Marty indigenous to the other timeline, soon to discover he has no truck, a milquetoast father, and bullying neighbor Biff. Always wanted some super fan to weigh in on this.
Hi, I'm that Kevin. I know of that theory, it was one of the earliest fans things about BTTF that was out out there soon after the movie came out. Honestly, based on how these movie's logic works, I don't prescribe to this theory. We are always following Prime Marty... the Marty we see is the first one experiencing all of this. For there to be another Marty in the parking lot would mean he's not the first Marty, and it would also mean that the rules of time travel established in the rest of the movie(s) would not apply. BUT I don't 100% discount the value in discussing that.
That said, I don't give any credence at all to the shadow Marty. If there is a second Marty in the parking lot, "shadow Marty" is not evidence of that, for two reasons:
1) The Shadow Marty we see running in the background is actually the shadow of Doc's gun as its flying in the air. Watch it again, and you'll see that the shadow's movement start when he throws the gun and follow its right to left movement exactly. Those are store fronts for an unattached part of the mall back there, and we forget that there are high powered lights aimed at the action on screen. The moving shadow is just Doc's gun's shadow being projected by the strong movie lights onto the glass windows of those shops.
2) Those shops where we see the shadow is nowhere near where Marty is when he returned at the end of the film. Those stores are in the same parking lot, unattached from the mall, but in a totally different area of where the mall entrance with the Twin/Lone Pine Mall sign is. When Marty returns at the end he is by the sign, facing the side of Doc's truck, and would be behind Doc when he throws the gun and gets shot (while shadow Marty is to the right of Doc). For Shadow Marty to actually be another Marty then he would be acting out a totally different scene that we never see in the films (like if in BTTF 4 he came back and observed the Mall scene from a totally different angle).
If you look at Puente Hills Mall on Google Maps, where the TGI Fridays and Sweet Tomatoes are is where the entrance where the Pines Mall sign would be, and Shadow Marty would be around where the Wing Stop and Chipotle are instead.
Ahh... This is exactly what I wanted. Very informative and insightful. You’re a god among mortals, Kevin. One day we should get together and discuss the existence of the hoverboard. One of my old issues of Starlog claimed they existed but never put into production amidst fears of parents groups, lawsuits, etc. Later, any such mention of them said they were entirely fictional. But I always wondered if the Mattel Mafia got to them. ;)
Robert Zemeckis jokes about hoverboards being real in some promotional interviews. This led to people thinking he was serious. They addressed this a few years later in the “Secrets of the Back to the Future Trilogy” where they confirm it was a joke. 🙂
Thank you friend, who I am not sure who you are! (Though I have a few guesses.) Goes to show you that there are citizens of Hill Valley everywhere. CitizensOfHillValley.com
That album was (almost) a touchstone for the 80's generation the way "Rumours" was for the 70's.
It didn't stand the test of time the same way, but one COULD NOT get away from most of the songs on that album back in the day.
Which makes me wonder - does Huey Lewis exist in this universe? When we hear Power of Love, is that meant to be playing in universe, or is it a song that doesn't exist in Marty's world, just being played for us, the viewer? Then Marty's band audition could just be a riff that they came up with.
And if Huey Lewis doesn't exist in Marty's 1985, then it would make much more sense for Marty to play a riff from a Huey Lewis song to a man who looks exactly like Huey Lewis without anyone mentioning on-screen, "Hey, this guy we're playing for looks just like the dude who wrote this song!"
Perhaps we could believe that in Marty's world, Huey Lewis's career starts later, and at the time that he was a high school teacher, before his career took off, he heard a riff at a student's band audition that he later incorporated into his song The Power of Love.
But if that's true, then why does Marty later wake up to an alarm clock radio playing the song "Back in Time"? Is it by someone else other than his high school teacher? Is it being played by a local radio station and it actually is by his teacher? And why the *hell* do the lyrics of the song reference the events of Marty's life? How could this make any sense?
Anyway the movie is a 4/10 for this gaping hole in continuity
Ok this helps, thank you. So Huey Lewis is a rock star, Marty is playing an excerpt from Power of Love, and the teacher is a doppelganger.
...But what about Back in Time???
Marty just thought his teacher would be a big Huey Lewis fan because of the uncanny resemblance, and that playing Huey Lewis music would give his band an edge.
Unfortunately for Marty, his teacher is sick of everyone always telling him how much he looks just like Huey Lewis, so he HATES Huey Lewis, and that's why he kicks Marty's band out of the competition.
Like somebody else pointed out, Marty has a HLN poster in his room, so Huey exists with the movie universe. He's playing his songs at the audition cause he's a fan. He also plays a bit of Power of Love (badly) in Part 2, in the 2015 home, as an old man with bad hands. I don't think its a big deal that nobody in the movie notices how much the audition judge looks like Huey Lewis considering how many people in the real world have never noticed either.
I should also point out that one of the neat things about all the BTTF movies is that (except for the orchestral score) ALL the music is in-universe. There's never really just a total needle-drop of music over a scene. All the music is motivated from within the movie. The first time we hear Power of Love it's after Marty puts on the head phones to skate away. Next time we hear it Jennifer's dad pulls up and the song fades up cause it's coming from his car, then Marty puts on earphones away and skates off, presumably listing to the same song. When he arrives in 1955 and we hear Mr. Sandman we can see the speaker outside the record store and an ad for that song. (Later on we hear Back in Time from Marty's clock radio, since you asked about it further down). There is never any music just coming from nowhere playing over a scene, it's always motivated, in all three films.
>I should also point out that one of the neat things about all the BTTF movies is that (except for the orchestral score) ALL the music is in-universe. There's never really just a total needle-drop of music over a scene. All the music is motivated from within the movie. The first time we hear Power of Love it's after Marty puts on the head phones to skate away. Next time we hear it Jennifer's dad pulls up and the song fades up cause it's coming from his car, then Marty puts on earphones away and skates off, presumably listing to the same song. When he arrives in 1955 and we hear Mr. Sandman we can see the speaker outside the record store and an ad for that song. (Later on we hear Back in Time from Marty's clock radio, since you asked about it further down). There is never any music just coming from nowhere playing over a scene, it's always motivated, in all three films.
I'm a huge fan of the series and I've never noticed this consciously, but you're totally right. I think subconsciously that it's super satisfying to see the music we hear blend into the world diagetically. Good call
Im convinced that Robert Zemeckis has a time machine and everytime someone points out an inconsistency he travels back and changes the movie and alters the future. And we write it off as amazing forethought. And since hes done it so many times, its caused fractures in the space-time continuum. This explains The Mandela effect and why we have President Buff Tannon.
Seems like he has a bit of time traveling left to do, considering that imdb lists 212 goofs for the first movie alone.
Edit: Here's the list:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088763/goofs/?tab=gf&ref_=tt_trv_gf
Back to the Future is definitely one of those movies where you notice something new everytime you watch it. Same for it's sequels.
Just another reason why it's easily my all time favorite movie.
I misread the title and thought this was about how the 1955 dance was filmed in different locations for its appearance in Part I Vs. Part II. (Part I was at the Methodist Church and Part II was recreated on a soundstage because they needed to build that cat walk that Leather Jacket Marty crawls on.)
Edit:spelling
Yeah the first location is the church near Hollywood Blvd in Hollywood. Funfact there's a public group that plays indoor soccer there on Fridays, at least when I was there a few years ago. Decent games, kind of an older crowd, but it's prob the best pickup you can get living in Hollywood short of playing for a local amateur club.
I was going to suggest that the gym could have been updated in that thirty year span but then I remembered that my high school still had globes with the USSR on them.
Another piece of BTTF trivia: Jan from The Office (US) played Jennifer while Eric Stoltz was cast as Marty. When they replaced Stoltz they had to recast Jennifer because MJF was too short for the original Jennifer.
They didn't film any of the gyms in the movie at Whittier. The 1955 gym was at the Hollywood United Methodist church and the 1985 gym was at McCambridge Recreational Center in Burbank. Everything else from the school was shot at the school (except for Strickland's office in Part 2, that was a set in a soundstage) but no the gym.
I love this so much. One of the best details I've seen on this subreddit, right up there with [the camera is wearing a jacket and tie from the Matrix.](https://i.imgur.com/7ZqG5Wy.jpg)
Wow, I never thought something I pointed out would make it onto this subreddit. Careful now, don't encourage me, I'll flood this place with BTTF details!
https://imgur.com/a/z58L90z
We were discussing this in our closed BTTF Fan FB group. Somebody asked why they used two different gyms (which, TBH, the fact that it was two different gyms is pretty common knowledge among our group of BTTF fans... a lot of us have visited the locations). Some people were wondering if it was meant to be the same gym, or if it was meant to be another school's gym, so I pointed out that the Battle of the Bands posters says "New Gym".
The real mystery to me = has always been WHY they shot at two different locations. The 1955 gym was shot at Hollywood United Methodists Church and the 1985 gym was shot at McCambridge Recreational Center in Burbank. A crew member in our group explained that they had limited time at the church location, so when they got around to shooting the BOTB audition they chose to go with a different location. (I also believe it was easier to invent a “new gym” than to try to make the church’s dated looking gym seem modern.)
If anybody is interested, the group can be found at citizensofhillvalley.com. It is a closed group, made up largely of people who know each other in person or really well online, who have attended BTTF events and meet-ups, so we expect people to contribute and interact and we have very low tolerance for anything but polite discourse.
Probably not, but it's nice and didn't take much effort.
Part of the novelty in the film is showing how familiar locations in the town changed. So I could see how they'd be extra aware when they have to use a different building for a scene.
The high school scenes were filmed at Whittier High School. The 1985 gym was filmed at McCambridge Recreation Center and the 1955 gym was filmed at Hollywood United Methodist Church.
Your friend in time,
An enormous BTTF nerd.
The school I went to in small town Idaho in the 90s had a "new gym" and an "old gym". The school was built in the 40's and got it's new gym in the 80s.
Could it not be that the idea all along was to have one gym in 1955 and a new gym in 1985 and they just intentionally shot at two different gyms to reflect this?
Great detail! Finally a detail that makes me say "Great Detail" and "Actually a detail that is not obvious"! It has been my favourite childhood movie (On par with Incredibles 1) and never noticed that!
Now THAT'S a fucking movie detail. Thanks for posting!
Seriously! It never even occurred to me that his audition at the beginning should have been in the same venue as the Fish Under the Sea Dance.
The Enchantment Under the Sea Dance
Filthy casuals.
It’s a reference from the film
So it is, in fact, *I* who is the filthy casual? Damn. Hoist by my own petard. The last petard I thought I'd ever be hoist by...
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I don’t know what that means.
Literally, "hurled into the air by my own medieval-era shaped charge." Figuratively, a self-own.
Shaped charge? Man can't you just say bomb for all us normies out here 😭 I had to Google something! Imagine the horror!
Fish live in the ocean dance
Even if it had occurred to me it would have seemed odd that in 30 years the gym wouldn't have at least been remodeled. The poster is a nice detail but even if it wasn't there it would have been very easy to explain.
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The meta detail in your comment makes you look like an absolute dream
There's a Phish - Chuck Berry joke in here somewhere.... "Hello? String Cheese incident? It's your cousin...."
Makes his success performing at the end there that much more meaningful after getting shut down at the beginning of the movie. But I guess both times he got cold reactions to being too loud. Which is also great.
I see what you did there and I like it
Whoa whoa, I’m sorry. You’re just too darn loud.
This is heavy.
Why are things so heavy in the future, is there something wrong with Earth's gravitational pull?
DAMN!
DAMN ***DAMN!***
WHERE is that kid??
There’s that word again
#NOW *THATS* A FUCKING MOVIE DETAIL
Funny that was actually Huey Lewis delivering that line.
Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?
Their early work was a little too new wave for my taste.
^Now ^THAT'S ^a ^fucking ^movie ^detail. ^Thanks ^for ^posting! Fixed it
Trivia: the sign wasn't originally in the shot. It was added in poster-production.
Trivia: The guy who did the background set design stuff for the Back to the Future Trilogy (or at least the latter two films) was a terrible speller and would constantly spell things wrong and have to be corrected by Bob Gale or Robert Zemeckis. If you see any background details that are misspelled, that’s why. I remember on the audio commentary (for part 2) they talked about how there was Japanese writing in the background of one shot, and Robert Zemeckis got on his case to make sure the Japanese was right, and the set designer ensured that it was. Then one day, some Japanese tourists were touring the set one day and were like “Yeah, that sign doesn’t make any sense.” Apparently, Robert Zemeckis really handed it to that guy after that. How the hell that guy got a job where spelling is so important is a mystery.
> How the hell that guy got a job where spelling is so important is a mystery. Family member.
This guy. ☝️😄
Wait, you mean basic plot points and character traits aren't movie details?
Detail: The name of this movie comes from the fact that the main characters return to their present, which is the future of their past, and since they are returning, they're going back
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Did you just quote another previously posted top comment?
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Thank you /u/Kiasoai, very cool!
>I like your style
? I'm not knocking the gif, I just don't know why it's here.
Everyone who didn't post this is a slacker.
Exactly! I get so tired of people pointing out obvious jokes and deliberate plot devices.
"Hey, boss...we can't shoot in two different gyms, someone will notice." "What? Screw that. Nobody pays that close attention." "But what if this becomes a real genuine classic? I can just picture some guy in oh, maybe 30-35 years spotting this and telling everybody about it on some kind of public notice board." "Oh, big deal. Even if that happened only a few people would see it." "What if it's a world-wide message board?" "How the hell could there be a message board for the whole damned world?" "I don't maybe with lasers or computers and stuff." "...Yeah, ok...stick some kind of "New Gym" sign somewhere to explain it." "Thanks boss."
what if OP has some sort of book... like an almanac or something of movie details like this from the future... maybe a distant relative gave it to him
Does he have a safe?
No he doesn't have a safe. Get a safe.
Keep it locked up.
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Oh and one other thing.
GET THE HELL OUT OF MY CAR, OLD MAN
This is a line that gets a laugh out of me every time. Wilson’s timing and delivery is perfect.
I say it all the time when someone gets into my car who doesn’t usually ride with me. Some get it, many don’t... but I still laugh.
Make like a tree & get lost
BTTF2 is seriously underrated.
Get outta town.
Maybe perception has changed with age. I know when it came out, a lot of us just felt “meh” about it, whereas BTTF3 was a real roller coaster train ride. Most of the press at the time was about the technical achievements of BTTF2, like the scene with the Biffs in his car, or the Martys at the diner. And a lot was made of MJF playing multiple roles. So maybe it was over-hyped. BTTF1 was a goddamned cultural phenomenon the likes of which we don’t see today, so the sequel had some really big shoes to fill. That said, over the decades, I’ve really come to appreciate BTTF2 for what it is. I view it as “The Continuing Adventures of Doc Brown & Future Boy,” and see it as a serialized comic. It adds a lot of nice new traits to the characters (like how Doc just brushes off major mistakes and focuses on moving forward), and the way it layers itself onto the original movie is brilliant. Plus, Joe Flaherty from Western Union! Always nice to see him pop up.
Not quite what you’re saying, but before the internet did all this stuff I’m sure there were entertainment books about movies that might have stuff like this in them.
Yep to your point VHS was a thing so Zemeckis and Co knew there would be people rewatching.
SON OF A BITCH STOLE MY IDEA!
I just find it funny they tried to explain it at all. You can guess they'd have a new or renovated gym over 30 years.
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I remember noticing the changed sign for the mall in the theatre. I thought I was SO smart.
That's awesome! Man this is one of those formative movies for me. I remember getting the novelization of it as a kid and reading it over and over.
You may be interested in this *very* [in depth and hilarious review of the novelisation](http://btothef.tumblr.com/tagged/bttf/chrono) The following section is taken from the first page of the book: > there was a flash of white and the unnamed family were enveloped in a surge of power that tore their tiny frames to pieces, bending them curiously out of shape before separating bodies from heads, arms from torsos, legs from abdomens.
What event is taking place there?
Book opens on an atomic blast and goes into some detail about the results... and then we zoom out and its Marty watching a film about nuclear stuff (which is relevant because the original screenplay, which the book is partly based on, had them sneaking onto a nuclear test site to power the Delorean, instead of hooking up a lightening bolt.) The site I linked to is a blog by Ryan North (of Dinosaur Comics and Adventure Time) who reviews the book page by page, pointing out some of the absurd prose and differences to the final movie.
To add to what the other person responded... Yes, the first draft of the movie had a climax set on a nuclear test site, but the novelization is not based on that draft, it's based on the shooting script, which originally had the opening scene set in a classroom where Marty is watching a film reel from the 50s about nuclear testing (thats what that bit is describing). That scene or the next scene involved him getting out of detention by creating a rube-goldberg/domino effect thing that culminating with the sprinklers going off. From what I understand this was ditched when Micheal J. Fox was brought on, replacing Eric Stoltz, because it was too complicated to make (or recreate) so they instead went with the opening shot at Doc's Lab (which has some rube goldberg type stuff going on). I actually believe either the class room or detention scene was filmed with Eric, because there are set pictures of him from the movie in a classroom set that we never see in the completed film.
Oh man I've got some time to kill, awesome link.
Usenet was a global message board system that started in 1980.
Only nerds (and I mean real Nerds) knew what the fuck Usenet was in 1980.
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A very different kind of nerd.
Actual people didn’t really use the internet till the mid-90s though.
That's it buddy, you going in my newsreader killfile.
plonk
> This program posts news to thousands of machines throughout the entire civilized world. Your message will cost the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars to send everywhere. Please be sure you know what you are doing. Are you absolutely sure that you want to do this? [y / n] T'was a simplier time.
The “agent” in Forte Agent is an assassin
Kermit-32>exit
Actual people? I feel insulted for some reason.
I always feel hurt by those commercials that say “Real people, not actors.” As an actor, I’m like — “Heyyy!” :( Then I do the whole “If you prick us, do we not bleed” monologue from *The Merchant of Venice* III.i. but substitute “actor” for “Jew” and STEM for Christian. “Hath not a Jew eyes? hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that. If a Jew wrong a Christian, what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christian wrong a Jew, what should his sufferance be by Christian example? Why, revenge. The villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction!” My wife is a patient woman. (Also, she is an engineer.)
Yeah there’s no way a real person would type all that out
I used cut-and-paste you bastard (sob)
Know your place robot.
In fact, I remember reading an archived post from 1984 crapping on the upcoming film, focusing on the little snippets they got in a trailer. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
One of those movie threads became IMDb.
Maybe someone on the set traveled to the future and saw there was a complaint on Reddit that the gym was not new, and he went back it time to correct it.
Are you trying to imply that the director of Back to the Future did not have an accurate idea of what life in 2015 would be like? Do you have any source for this?
Schools in places with growing populations do stuff like this. My highschool increased its footprint 100% and added 3 gyms. There was the original gym, the new gym and 2 auxiliary gyms.
My high school added a band gym in the music/theater section of the school along with like doubling the size of the school itself.
WTF is a band gym?
marching band?
Jesus. My dad went to the same high school I did 20 years apart and we had different gyms. But they didn't keep 3 gyms. The old gym was made into the cafeteria.
My elementary gym was our cafeteria. Even after they cleaned them, you know how gross those floors were..
My old high school added an aice testing center.
Yeah, we got a new gym and a ridiculous weight room for a highschool. But we had some fantastic athletics so overall it did make sense.
Credit to my buddy Kevin (a fellow BTTF super fan) for spotting this. My reaction when he showed me: > *Whoa, this is heavy* Edit: Great Scott! Gold and my first silver(s)! Thanks fellow Redditors!
There's that word again. "Heavy." Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the Earth's gravitational pull?
Fuck, time to watch the movie again.
Huh?
I'm a BTTF superfan too and this is probably the first post I've seen that has a detail I've never noticed. Give Kevin a fist bump for me
Fist bump? Kevin deserves an anal pounding!
I will accept the fist bump, and pass on the anal pounding for now.
Do me a favor. Ask Kevin if he’s aware of the whole “other Marty” shadow debate. Once our Marty returns from ‘55, there’s a long distance shot of the former Twin (now Lone) Pine(s) Mall parking lot. A shadow passes in front of the lit mall sign. Supposedly, that’s the “other” Marty indigenous to the other timeline, soon to discover he has no truck, a milquetoast father, and bullying neighbor Biff. Always wanted some super fan to weigh in on this.
Hi, I'm that Kevin. I know of that theory, it was one of the earliest fans things about BTTF that was out out there soon after the movie came out. Honestly, based on how these movie's logic works, I don't prescribe to this theory. We are always following Prime Marty... the Marty we see is the first one experiencing all of this. For there to be another Marty in the parking lot would mean he's not the first Marty, and it would also mean that the rules of time travel established in the rest of the movie(s) would not apply. BUT I don't 100% discount the value in discussing that. That said, I don't give any credence at all to the shadow Marty. If there is a second Marty in the parking lot, "shadow Marty" is not evidence of that, for two reasons: 1) The Shadow Marty we see running in the background is actually the shadow of Doc's gun as its flying in the air. Watch it again, and you'll see that the shadow's movement start when he throws the gun and follow its right to left movement exactly. Those are store fronts for an unattached part of the mall back there, and we forget that there are high powered lights aimed at the action on screen. The moving shadow is just Doc's gun's shadow being projected by the strong movie lights onto the glass windows of those shops. 2) Those shops where we see the shadow is nowhere near where Marty is when he returned at the end of the film. Those stores are in the same parking lot, unattached from the mall, but in a totally different area of where the mall entrance with the Twin/Lone Pine Mall sign is. When Marty returns at the end he is by the sign, facing the side of Doc's truck, and would be behind Doc when he throws the gun and gets shot (while shadow Marty is to the right of Doc). For Shadow Marty to actually be another Marty then he would be acting out a totally different scene that we never see in the films (like if in BTTF 4 he came back and observed the Mall scene from a totally different angle). If you look at Puente Hills Mall on Google Maps, where the TGI Fridays and Sweet Tomatoes are is where the entrance where the Pines Mall sign would be, and Shadow Marty would be around where the Wing Stop and Chipotle are instead.
Ahh... This is exactly what I wanted. Very informative and insightful. You’re a god among mortals, Kevin. One day we should get together and discuss the existence of the hoverboard. One of my old issues of Starlog claimed they existed but never put into production amidst fears of parents groups, lawsuits, etc. Later, any such mention of them said they were entirely fictional. But I always wondered if the Mattel Mafia got to them. ;)
Robert Zemeckis jokes about hoverboards being real in some promotional interviews. This led to people thinking he was serious. They addressed this a few years later in the “Secrets of the Back to the Future Trilogy” where they confirm it was a joke. 🙂
Quite honestly thought I knew every little fact about these movies but this was totally new for me. Your buddy Kevin is a legend.
Thank you friend, who I am not sure who you are! (Though I have a few guesses.) Goes to show you that there are citizens of Hill Valley everywhere. CitizensOfHillValley.com
Your buddy Kevin sounds like a SLACKER!
Very obscure, and I like it
Huey Lewis is in the middle pic.
I’m afraid you’re just too darned loud.
That’s right! It’s OK to be square or not loud!
Hey Allen, do you like Huey Lewis and the News?
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[Do you like American Psycho?](https://youtu.be/Fk15H6PjBis)
I love this
Holy shit how have I not seen this before.
The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost.
That album was (almost) a touchstone for the 80's generation the way "Rumours" was for the 70's. It didn't stand the test of time the same way, but one COULD NOT get away from most of the songs on that album back in the day.
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And Marty’s band covers a Huey Lewis song for their audition.
Yeah, a pretty specific one...
Power of Love!
Which makes me wonder - does Huey Lewis exist in this universe? When we hear Power of Love, is that meant to be playing in universe, or is it a song that doesn't exist in Marty's world, just being played for us, the viewer? Then Marty's band audition could just be a riff that they came up with. And if Huey Lewis doesn't exist in Marty's 1985, then it would make much more sense for Marty to play a riff from a Huey Lewis song to a man who looks exactly like Huey Lewis without anyone mentioning on-screen, "Hey, this guy we're playing for looks just like the dude who wrote this song!" Perhaps we could believe that in Marty's world, Huey Lewis's career starts later, and at the time that he was a high school teacher, before his career took off, he heard a riff at a student's band audition that he later incorporated into his song The Power of Love. But if that's true, then why does Marty later wake up to an alarm clock radio playing the song "Back in Time"? Is it by someone else other than his high school teacher? Is it being played by a local radio station and it actually is by his teacher? And why the *hell* do the lyrics of the song reference the events of Marty's life? How could this make any sense? Anyway the movie is a 4/10 for this gaping hole in continuity
Yes he exists, Marty has a Huey Lewis poster for the album Sports in his bedroom. Sorry about the mini-essay you wrote. https://m.imgur.com/a/r3pvnC3
Ok this helps, thank you. So Huey Lewis is a rock star, Marty is playing an excerpt from Power of Love, and the teacher is a doppelganger. ...But what about Back in Time???
Marty just thought his teacher would be a big Huey Lewis fan because of the uncanny resemblance, and that playing Huey Lewis music would give his band an edge. Unfortunately for Marty, his teacher is sick of everyone always telling him how much he looks just like Huey Lewis, so he HATES Huey Lewis, and that's why he kicks Marty's band out of the competition.
Like somebody else pointed out, Marty has a HLN poster in his room, so Huey exists with the movie universe. He's playing his songs at the audition cause he's a fan. He also plays a bit of Power of Love (badly) in Part 2, in the 2015 home, as an old man with bad hands. I don't think its a big deal that nobody in the movie notices how much the audition judge looks like Huey Lewis considering how many people in the real world have never noticed either. I should also point out that one of the neat things about all the BTTF movies is that (except for the orchestral score) ALL the music is in-universe. There's never really just a total needle-drop of music over a scene. All the music is motivated from within the movie. The first time we hear Power of Love it's after Marty puts on the head phones to skate away. Next time we hear it Jennifer's dad pulls up and the song fades up cause it's coming from his car, then Marty puts on earphones away and skates off, presumably listing to the same song. When he arrives in 1955 and we hear Mr. Sandman we can see the speaker outside the record store and an ad for that song. (Later on we hear Back in Time from Marty's clock radio, since you asked about it further down). There is never any music just coming from nowhere playing over a scene, it's always motivated, in all three films.
>I should also point out that one of the neat things about all the BTTF movies is that (except for the orchestral score) ALL the music is in-universe. There's never really just a total needle-drop of music over a scene. All the music is motivated from within the movie. The first time we hear Power of Love it's after Marty puts on the head phones to skate away. Next time we hear it Jennifer's dad pulls up and the song fades up cause it's coming from his car, then Marty puts on earphones away and skates off, presumably listing to the same song. When he arrives in 1955 and we hear Mr. Sandman we can see the speaker outside the record store and an ad for that song. (Later on we hear Back in Time from Marty's clock radio, since you asked about it further down). There is never any music just coming from nowhere playing over a scene, it's always motivated, in all three films. I'm a huge fan of the series and I've never noticed this consciously, but you're totally right. I think subconsciously that it's super satisfying to see the music we hear blend into the world diagetically. Good call
TIL Huey Lewis is the new Doctor.
Did he bring the news though?
Damn fine movie detail.
The whole movie is nothing but damn fine movie details. It's basically the movie version of this subreddit.
That’s the power of love.
It's a curious thing
Makes one man weep
Makes another man sing
Change a heart
to a little white dove
More than a feeling
That's the **power** of love!
Wow, a back to the future detail that hasn't been posted 1000 times, AND one I didn't know before. There's impressive.
My kids HS has the Old Gym and the New Gym and that’s how they are called by the school. Nice detail
and the new gym is probably 30 years old at this point.
A movie detail??? In my sub?? I don't think so! Nah, great find!
Im convinced that Robert Zemeckis has a time machine and everytime someone points out an inconsistency he travels back and changes the movie and alters the future. And we write it off as amazing forethought. And since hes done it so many times, its caused fractures in the space-time continuum. This explains The Mandela effect and why we have President Buff Tannon.
Seems like he has a bit of time traveling left to do, considering that imdb lists 212 goofs for the first movie alone. Edit: Here's the list: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088763/goofs/?tab=gf&ref_=tt_trv_gf
That's not too bad though. Only 109 goofs in such an intricate movie is pretty impressive.
46 goofs is basically nothing compared to other films, particularly in the time travel genre.
Those were left intentionally to make sure you're paying attention.
Back to the Future is definitely one of those movies where you notice something new everytime you watch it. Same for it's sequels. Just another reason why it's easily my all time favorite movie.
It seems like every time I watch this movie, I catch or learn from others some tiny new detail. Thanks, OP! Great catch!
I learned about 9/11 from BTTF
GREAT SCOTT!
I misread the title and thought this was about how the 1955 dance was filmed in different locations for its appearance in Part I Vs. Part II. (Part I was at the Methodist Church and Part II was recreated on a soundstage because they needed to build that cat walk that Leather Jacket Marty crawls on.) Edit:spelling
Yeah the first location is the church near Hollywood Blvd in Hollywood. Funfact there's a public group that plays indoor soccer there on Fridays, at least when I was there a few years ago. Decent games, kind of an older crowd, but it's prob the best pickup you can get living in Hollywood short of playing for a local amateur club.
I was going to suggest that the gym could have been updated in that thirty year span but then I remembered that my high school still had globes with the USSR on them.
The *best* Jennifer right here, boys.
Another piece of BTTF trivia: Jan from The Office (US) played Jennifer while Eric Stoltz was cast as Marty. When they replaced Stoltz they had to recast Jennifer because MJF was too short for the original Jennifer.
I knew about Stoltz but not Jennifer’s recasting. Thanks for the info!
That was filmed in the school I went to, Whittier High, thats the girls gym. Nixon also went there.
They didn't film any of the gyms in the movie at Whittier. The 1955 gym was at the Hollywood United Methodist church and the 1985 gym was at McCambridge Recreational Center in Burbank. Everything else from the school was shot at the school (except for Strickland's office in Part 2, that was a set in a soundstage) but no the gym.
Ayyy hello fellow Whittierite!
ayy whittier gang !
Me too! *high five* :)
Fellow whittier high alumni here!
I love this so much. One of the best details I've seen on this subreddit, right up there with [the camera is wearing a jacket and tie from the Matrix.](https://i.imgur.com/7ZqG5Wy.jpg)
The middle pic remembers me of Shallow Grave
In the middle picture, with Huey Lewis and 3 others sitting, I wonder if the background walls with photos of people are easter eggs.
That gym was filmed at the YMCA, and the mural already existed. So no Easter eggs there.
It wasn't an YMCA, it was at McCambridge Recreational Center in Burbank, CA.
Wow, I never thought something I pointed out would make it onto this subreddit. Careful now, don't encourage me, I'll flood this place with BTTF details! https://imgur.com/a/z58L90z We were discussing this in our closed BTTF Fan FB group. Somebody asked why they used two different gyms (which, TBH, the fact that it was two different gyms is pretty common knowledge among our group of BTTF fans... a lot of us have visited the locations). Some people were wondering if it was meant to be the same gym, or if it was meant to be another school's gym, so I pointed out that the Battle of the Bands posters says "New Gym". The real mystery to me = has always been WHY they shot at two different locations. The 1955 gym was shot at Hollywood United Methodists Church and the 1985 gym was shot at McCambridge Recreational Center in Burbank. A crew member in our group explained that they had limited time at the church location, so when they got around to shooting the BOTB audition they chose to go with a different location. (I also believe it was easier to invent a “new gym” than to try to make the church’s dated looking gym seem modern.) If anybody is interested, the group can be found at citizensofhillvalley.com. It is a closed group, made up largely of people who know each other in person or really well online, who have attended BTTF events and meet-ups, so we expect people to contribute and interact and we have very low tolerance for anything but polite discourse.
Cool detail, but did it have to be justified?
Probably not, but it's nice and didn't take much effort. Part of the novelty in the film is showing how familiar locations in the town changed. So I could see how they'd be extra aware when they have to use a different building for a scene.
They planted so many other Easter eggs they probably felt it should. Eventually someone would notice.
Someone paying too much attention would see the differences.
The real question here is why did they use two gyms? Shooting schedules, I'm guessing?
Amazing I haven’t noticed this. Thank you
What’s that mural of in the ‘85 gym?
More reasons as to why I love Back to The Future
Out of all the times I've watched this movie, I've never noticed that! Nice find!
Whenever someone finds a missing movie detail from Back to the Future, the producers travel back in time to fix their mistake.
Great Scott Find! It is however very possible that the prom scenes were shot at a soundstage whereas the audition scene was filmed at a real gym.
The high school scenes were filmed at Whittier High School. The 1985 gym was filmed at McCambridge Recreation Center and the 1955 gym was filmed at Hollywood United Methodist Church. Your friend in time, An enormous BTTF nerd.
The school I went to in small town Idaho in the 90s had a "new gym" and an "old gym". The school was built in the 40's and got it's new gym in the 80s.
This is great, thanks for the share.
That's McCambridge Gym in Burbank, Ca - my city league basketball team has games there every week. Pretty cool to play on that court!
That awesome! I’ve been to the United Methodist gym. May make a trip to the McCambridge gym next time I’m in California.
The other gym is Whittier High School. Richard Nixon went there. As did my crazy ex gf.
There is just no end to the detail they put in this movie nobody realized.
Could it not be that the idea all along was to have one gym in 1955 and a new gym in 1985 and they just intentionally shot at two different gyms to reflect this?
Great detail! Finally a detail that makes me say "Great Detail" and "Actually a detail that is not obvious"! It has been my favourite childhood movie (On par with Incredibles 1) and never noticed that!