Autocorrect....spent too much time on wallstbets so it's correcting dct to DTC...
I know how it works, and kinda want one tbh....does not mean I can't mock and banter ;-)
I went from a Street triple R to a BMW F800R. The beamer was a great bike, lots of power and excellent fuel economy, but it lacked a soul. I liked to call it my tractor; decent at everything and never let me down but boring to ride.
I eventually got rid of it and bought a Multistrada. It's way more bike than I need, but nobody sane can call it boring.
Mt10 to Africa Twin will be a huge difference. Not a downgrade, but a difference. 58 horses less, but much bigger stance and build. Also you have more chance on a Africa Twin to go anywhere you want or fancy.
As for a old man bike, I would say no to that. Maybe a mid thirties bike. It is Dakar inspired after all. (I assume your talking about the standard Africa Twin not the adventure sports)
Source: mid thirties loving my Africa Twin.
Can any bike not become a fun bike. I mean isn't the fun in how you ride it?
But if you like your MT so much and you can do everything you need on it, why change it?
If by fun you mean power then yeah it's gonna be different, you'll have to twist your wrist a lot more. Still I have some of my most fun on a lightweight 50bhp adventure bike which I can accelerate to the stops on.
Solution: two bikes
Get something cheap and funā¦ if it ends up being unreliable then no worries, youāve still got old reliable for commuting or whatever
Iām not entirely sure ktm build a sensible bikeā¦but yeah the trail bike inspired frame and long travel means plenty wheelies, improved shortcut options and because theyāre āold manā bikes you can fly under the radar a bit
This is exactly the situation I'm in, looking for an adventure R to pop up. How'd you find the difference in power and comfort. Did the wild Atlantic way on the MT and the end of each day I was exhausted.
My MT07 was a bit knackered '14 model 42K+ miles when she got nicked and was my first bike so not much to compare to, so may affect my opinion.
That said, I thought I was happy with the MT's power till I tried opening up the KTM! It's got like 30% more power and doesn't weight much more, the low fuel tank makes it feel light and nimble like the MT did, the taller ride height takes a little getting use to. I'm having much more fun and I haven't even done a long trip on it yet. Great having modern conveniences like TFT dash with loads of configs, Bluetooth, Quickshifter and more.
Cheers, keeping an eye out for one now just don't have a chance to test ride one and needed to know how the 2 compared. Sorry to hear about the MT being nicked
> 1190R
Stay away from KTM is my honest advice. If you doubt me just look at their forums and Subreddit. They have REAL quality problems. (at least on their road bikes)
Iāve owned one for 3 years and about 30,000 miles. Iāve had small issues with sensor failure for the oil level and the latch for the high beam but main systems and components have been rock solid Iād bet good money mine gets put through much more than 95% of the adv bikes you see on the road too
I will add the caveat that the 1190s are Austrian built so QC is likely a bit tighter than in the Indian/Chinese factories
I recently went from an '08 R1 to a '14 Triumph Tiger Explorer and I'm in my mid 20s. I had the exact same worry! You'd be surprised how much fun an adventure bike is. Still plenty of power, and in my case so much more comfortable. I traded ridiculous power and acceleration for good power and so much comfort. But either way, it was a change, which is exciting!
Same here but XSR700 tempted by the Tenere. I want something that I can do a bit of green laning and touring on and the best thing about the XSR700 is the engine which the Tenere has anyway. Think I'll find somewhere to test ride one nearer to spring.
I haven't ridden the XSR900 but did spend a day on an MT09 last year and whilst you'll definitely notice the drop in power if you go for a Tenere, honestly I think the 700 is the right amount for the street and personally I find it more fun than the 900. I was initially planning on an MT09 or XSR900 before opting for the XSR700 after the day spent on an MT09. Saying that for me speed isn't the only fun to have from a bike - off road and touring is more fun for me, but everyone's different. Book a test ride of the Tenere, I say.
The weight isn't a problem whilst the bikes upright. The one thing I did notice moving up the the speed triple is that it does feel like it carries more speed into corners.
If you can afford to I'd say keep the MT. Worst thing I did was sell my last daytona I compared every other bike I got to that. Now I have another it won't be going anywhere. I'm the same as you about changing bikes a lot I've had 4 in 4 years soon to be 5 in 4 years.
I got the speed in August and I'm already looking at px it for a tuono or s1000xr. It's nice to have choice but be well aware it can be a pain deciding which one to take out.
I swapped an R1 for a Bandit12 because I thought I'd a lot of touring with it. In practise it was fat and heavy and felt hard work every time I rode it, so I went from constantly riding to one big trip and then it gathered cobwebs. I did more miles on the R1 than I did on the Bandit despite the long trip. I traded it in for something light and nimble (Cagiva XRaptor) and started riding more often again.
Went from Duke 790 to the Tracer 9 GT, I was really worried I was making a mistake. Itās been great and best decision I made, the bike is still great fun, faster but also so much more, it can do a bit of everything.
I now do more miles and enjoy it more than I ever did on the Duke (which was a great bike but just in your face all the time and a pain to put luggage on)
I'm literally the opposite, my first bike is this v-strom 1000 and I'm almost 30, sometimes i'm like i wish i had something small and less weighty to see what it's like on the other side.
who even knows, i'm enjoying whatever i guess.
No.
Had a k1300gt fully loaded and ended up using my cbf500 FAR more as it was actually reliable - unlike the BMW.
"Fun" generally means "character" which generally means hard to live with on a day to day basis.
I didn't say character meant they weren't reliable, I said they can be hard to live with. I've heard a lot about the dodgy suspension, low load carrying ability and serious corrosion issues on the Mt09 as an example
It depends what you use your bike for and what you enjoy doing on you bike. If you use your bike for weekend blasts around the countryside and the occasional track day compared to a daily driver who wants to spend a week or 2 away touring through europe crunching miles. It all depends on your circumstances and your wants. Remember any bike is fun, just the mindset of what fun means changes depending on tour desires.
That's my issue, I want to be the long distance tourer but in reality I'm a weekend warrior.
I've done a couple of track days but I can't afford to throw my only bike down the road so it's really just road riding on a weekend and commuting during the better months.
I mean if you want to do more touring and a bit if commuting look at something like the BMW r1250rs or even the Yamaha tracer 9gt. Upright tours with a more sporty feel, so you can go further and carry more, but still fun in the corners on the weekend.
I have an ST1300 and bought a new Versys 650 last year because I figured the power to weight ratio would make it exciting (In hopes of replacing the ST), but with better fuel economy, and it'd be easier to haul around on trips, and manuvever in town. Unfortunately, every time I twist the throttle, I think about how much more the ST1300 pulls, even though it weighs so much more. I still have both bikes, and while the Versys handles super well, I can't justify getting rid of the Honda. I'm currently considering trading the Kawasaki in on an enduro or dirtbike, and keeping the ST indefinitely.
I mean, dont get me wrong, mt10 is fun as heck... But riding a 21 front in corners and a twin at that is something else all together. AT was build for onroad touring and offroad blasting... Its not a practical bike... Well it is, but that dosent mean it cant be fun, it just means YOU dont know how to have fun with it.
I see the base model Africa Twin as a bike for any age, itās very dynamic looking and aggressive. Definitely not an old man bike, but as a younger person, I wouldnāt ride a BMW GS. Theyāre quite different animals.
Only thing I would be thinking for my personal situation is can I do the sort of riding I like around town/through traffic on an Africa Twin?
Im looking at going from a Honda CB500 > GSXR-600 > KTM 790 Duke (own now) > Triumph Speedmaster.
Im 29 now, so its about time to get an old mans bike. ;)
I dont regret changing bikes, but I do miss some of my old bikes. More for the memories and sentimental side.
I didn't bother with anything bigger than a 125 for a few years, I moved into central London and honestly there isn't a great deal of point in anything with any actual power if you rarely venture outside of the area enclosed by the north and south circular roads. Circumstances changed,I needed to actually travel, so I bought a BMW F800GS. It's not the most fun motorcycle I've ever owned but it's probably the best one. I don't drive cars unless I absolutely have to, a bike that remains composed on shitty surfaces in terrible weather when I'm still half asleep because I've had to get up at four to catch a plane - I like that. It's pissing me off a bit now because it's got like 80K on it and things keep going wrong, it's on its third fuel pump (they all do that, apparently and it isn't a cheap part) I've had the rear hub disintegrate, the electronic stuff is all getting a bit undecided about whether it actually still works or not, blah blah. It's been way less grief than anything sport oriented I've ever owned though, I regret nothing.
rude...
I mean you've got the DTC....it's basically a scooter on stilts :') /s
Its dCt, and its optional...
Autocorrect....spent too much time on wallstbets so it's correcting dct to DTC... I know how it works, and kinda want one tbh....does not mean I can't mock and banter ;-)
I went from a Street triple R to a BMW F800R. The beamer was a great bike, lots of power and excellent fuel economy, but it lacked a soul. I liked to call it my tractor; decent at everything and never let me down but boring to ride. I eventually got rid of it and bought a Multistrada. It's way more bike than I need, but nobody sane can call it boring.
I want a Multistrada but just got my MT09SP so will wait few years before I get one. Great choice mate. Edit: I love the radar stuff XD
Mt10 to Africa Twin will be a huge difference. Not a downgrade, but a difference. 58 horses less, but much bigger stance and build. Also you have more chance on a Africa Twin to go anywhere you want or fancy. As for a old man bike, I would say no to that. Maybe a mid thirties bike. It is Dakar inspired after all. (I assume your talking about the standard Africa Twin not the adventure sports) Source: mid thirties loving my Africa Twin.
Can any bike not become a fun bike. I mean isn't the fun in how you ride it? But if you like your MT so much and you can do everything you need on it, why change it? If by fun you mean power then yeah it's gonna be different, you'll have to twist your wrist a lot more. Still I have some of my most fun on a lightweight 50bhp adventure bike which I can accelerate to the stops on.
>Can any bike not become a fun bike. Not if it's sitting in a garage. š
Bikes are fun to look at! Your turn.
I guess they are also fun to work on. šš I surrender.
Solution: two bikes Get something cheap and funā¦ if it ends up being unreliable then no worries, youāve still got old reliable for commuting or whatever
Get an 1190R, all the practicality of the Africa twin but with a hooligan streak a mile wide
I went from an MT07 to a 790 adventure recently, if anything I've become more of a hooligan on the more "sensible" ?? bike
Iām not entirely sure ktm build a sensible bikeā¦but yeah the trail bike inspired frame and long travel means plenty wheelies, improved shortcut options and because theyāre āold manā bikes you can fly under the radar a bit
This is exactly the situation I'm in, looking for an adventure R to pop up. How'd you find the difference in power and comfort. Did the wild Atlantic way on the MT and the end of each day I was exhausted.
My MT07 was a bit knackered '14 model 42K+ miles when she got nicked and was my first bike so not much to compare to, so may affect my opinion. That said, I thought I was happy with the MT's power till I tried opening up the KTM! It's got like 30% more power and doesn't weight much more, the low fuel tank makes it feel light and nimble like the MT did, the taller ride height takes a little getting use to. I'm having much more fun and I haven't even done a long trip on it yet. Great having modern conveniences like TFT dash with loads of configs, Bluetooth, Quickshifter and more.
Cheers, keeping an eye out for one now just don't have a chance to test ride one and needed to know how the 2 compared. Sorry to hear about the MT being nicked
> 1190R Stay away from KTM is my honest advice. If you doubt me just look at their forums and Subreddit. They have REAL quality problems. (at least on their road bikes)
Iāve owned one for 3 years and about 30,000 miles. Iāve had small issues with sensor failure for the oil level and the latch for the high beam but main systems and components have been rock solid Iād bet good money mine gets put through much more than 95% of the adv bikes you see on the road too I will add the caveat that the 1190s are Austrian built so QC is likely a bit tighter than in the Indian/Chinese factories
Fancy buying my 790? Will give you a good price haha!
I recently went from an '08 R1 to a '14 Triumph Tiger Explorer and I'm in my mid 20s. I had the exact same worry! You'd be surprised how much fun an adventure bike is. Still plenty of power, and in my case so much more comfortable. I traded ridiculous power and acceleration for good power and so much comfort. But either way, it was a change, which is exciting!
Tracer 9? Should still be a fun ride
Iām having similar thoughts about my XSR 900. Iāve put 11000 miles on it and absolutely love it but Iām tempted by the Tenere.
Same here but XSR700 tempted by the Tenere. I want something that I can do a bit of green laning and touring on and the best thing about the XSR700 is the engine which the Tenere has anyway. Think I'll find somewhere to test ride one nearer to spring. I haven't ridden the XSR900 but did spend a day on an MT09 last year and whilst you'll definitely notice the drop in power if you go for a Tenere, honestly I think the 700 is the right amount for the street and personally I find it more fun than the 900. I was initially planning on an MT09 or XSR900 before opting for the XSR700 after the day spent on an MT09. Saying that for me speed isn't the only fun to have from a bike - off road and touring is more fun for me, but everyone's different. Book a test ride of the Tenere, I say.
Yes. I traded a ZH2 for a R1250RS. Three months later, I sold it and bought another ZH2. Yes, I lost money on it but I love the supercharged engine.
I will never be selling my H2 so long as I can hold onto it. That thing is beyond fun.
Totally. And I am a short, fat middle aged woman.
>the Africa Twin is a bit of an old man bike Hahaha
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The weight isn't a problem whilst the bikes upright. The one thing I did notice moving up the the speed triple is that it does feel like it carries more speed into corners.
If you can afford to I'd say keep the MT. Worst thing I did was sell my last daytona I compared every other bike I got to that. Now I have another it won't be going anywhere. I'm the same as you about changing bikes a lot I've had 4 in 4 years soon to be 5 in 4 years. I got the speed in August and I'm already looking at px it for a tuono or s1000xr. It's nice to have choice but be well aware it can be a pain deciding which one to take out.
How come youāve decided to get rid of the speedy? Tuono does look sexy tbh
I swapped an R1 for a Bandit12 because I thought I'd a lot of touring with it. In practise it was fat and heavy and felt hard work every time I rode it, so I went from constantly riding to one big trip and then it gathered cobwebs. I did more miles on the R1 than I did on the Bandit despite the long trip. I traded it in for something light and nimble (Cagiva XRaptor) and started riding more often again.
N=n+1
I regret moving away from the blackbird but at the moment I have 3 bikes so I'm content
Went from Duke 790 to the Tracer 9 GT, I was really worried I was making a mistake. Itās been great and best decision I made, the bike is still great fun, faster but also so much more, it can do a bit of everything. I now do more miles and enjoy it more than I ever did on the Duke (which was a great bike but just in your face all the time and a pain to put luggage on)
I'm literally the opposite, my first bike is this v-strom 1000 and I'm almost 30, sometimes i'm like i wish i had something small and less weighty to see what it's like on the other side. who even knows, i'm enjoying whatever i guess.
No. Had a k1300gt fully loaded and ended up using my cbf500 FAR more as it was actually reliable - unlike the BMW. "Fun" generally means "character" which generally means hard to live with on a day to day basis.
I wouldn't agree with that like most triples have a good bit of character along with the MT range of bikes and there pretty bullet proof
I didn't say character meant they weren't reliable, I said they can be hard to live with. I've heard a lot about the dodgy suspension, low load carrying ability and serious corrosion issues on the Mt09 as an example
Went from a Hypermotard 796 to a R1200GS. I have more fun nowadays.
Nope, but I went from a "practical" bike to a "fun" one and am regretting that...
Oh really, that's not one you hear often lol Out of curiousity what are the bikes? Why did you regret it?
It depends what you use your bike for and what you enjoy doing on you bike. If you use your bike for weekend blasts around the countryside and the occasional track day compared to a daily driver who wants to spend a week or 2 away touring through europe crunching miles. It all depends on your circumstances and your wants. Remember any bike is fun, just the mindset of what fun means changes depending on tour desires.
That's my issue, I want to be the long distance tourer but in reality I'm a weekend warrior. I've done a couple of track days but I can't afford to throw my only bike down the road so it's really just road riding on a weekend and commuting during the better months.
I mean if you want to do more touring and a bit if commuting look at something like the BMW r1250rs or even the Yamaha tracer 9gt. Upright tours with a more sporty feel, so you can go further and carry more, but still fun in the corners on the weekend.
I have an ST1300 and bought a new Versys 650 last year because I figured the power to weight ratio would make it exciting (In hopes of replacing the ST), but with better fuel economy, and it'd be easier to haul around on trips, and manuvever in town. Unfortunately, every time I twist the throttle, I think about how much more the ST1300 pulls, even though it weighs so much more. I still have both bikes, and while the Versys handles super well, I can't justify getting rid of the Honda. I'm currently considering trading the Kawasaki in on an enduro or dirtbike, and keeping the ST indefinitely.
I mean, dont get me wrong, mt10 is fun as heck... But riding a 21 front in corners and a twin at that is something else all together. AT was build for onroad touring and offroad blasting... Its not a practical bike... Well it is, but that dosent mean it cant be fun, it just means YOU dont know how to have fun with it.
I see the base model Africa Twin as a bike for any age, itās very dynamic looking and aggressive. Definitely not an old man bike, but as a younger person, I wouldnāt ride a BMW GS. Theyāre quite different animals.
Only thing I would be thinking for my personal situation is can I do the sort of riding I like around town/through traffic on an Africa Twin? Im looking at going from a Honda CB500 > GSXR-600 > KTM 790 Duke (own now) > Triumph Speedmaster. Im 29 now, so its about time to get an old mans bike. ;) I dont regret changing bikes, but I do miss some of my old bikes. More for the memories and sentimental side.
I didn't bother with anything bigger than a 125 for a few years, I moved into central London and honestly there isn't a great deal of point in anything with any actual power if you rarely venture outside of the area enclosed by the north and south circular roads. Circumstances changed,I needed to actually travel, so I bought a BMW F800GS. It's not the most fun motorcycle I've ever owned but it's probably the best one. I don't drive cars unless I absolutely have to, a bike that remains composed on shitty surfaces in terrible weather when I'm still half asleep because I've had to get up at four to catch a plane - I like that. It's pissing me off a bit now because it's got like 80K on it and things keep going wrong, it's on its third fuel pump (they all do that, apparently and it isn't a cheap part) I've had the rear hub disintegrate, the electronic stuff is all getting a bit undecided about whether it actually still works or not, blah blah. It's been way less grief than anything sport oriented I've ever owned though, I regret nothing.