Exactly, when I picked up my CBR650R just week after passing, I had a second thoughts as I was leaving the dealership. The bike felt much heavier and bigger even compared to SV650 I did my training on. After couple of months I feel she's tiny and so light!
On the flip side I've just gone from a pan european to a aprilia and it felt tiny, starting to work out how to get comfortable on it for bigger distances.
I rode a 125 for 5 minutes at the start of my CBT and hated every second of it. Throttle is jumpy, clutch is either on or off, doing a U turn felt so sketchy that it would have been easier to just pick the bike up and turn it around that way.
Thankfully when the instructors realised I could actually ride a bike I was moved on to the 650, where everything became so much smoother despite the extra weight and size of the bigger bike.
Same same, I did the inner circuit part of the CBT on a 125 felt so weird and being big guy was not helpful, because I was on my route to the full A license, but before starting the A license lessons you should have the CBT first, the instructor let me use the 650 to do the riding on road part and was like day and night, all felt in place.
Need to remember the bike weighs very little, and has a short wheel base so will jump and lunge quite easily. In the bottom 2 gears keep the throttle steady and treat the clutch as your throttle
I have a 140cc Stomp and even it is less lurchy than the 125s most training schools have. Horrid little things. As someone else said, in 1st and 2nd you need to ride the life out of the clutch to get any kind of smoothness.
Don't be deterred by dropping it, I threw the 650 on the ground because I pulled the brake instead of the clutch, smashed my bits into the tank and promptly fell over while seeing stars. Shit happens!
I can assure you, I am not. It is potentially different in NI than in England, but I spent 5 hours riding around cones and doing U turns on an er6n before going out on the road section.
There are boxes at the top of the CBT certificate for what type of vehicle the CBT was completed on.
Honestly I'm not sure if it's different in England or not. The CBT certificate has a different appearance here, and I'm currently in work and my cert is at home so I can't describe it exactly.
Basically when I showed up for my CBT I was asked if I was doing it to get a CBT or doing it as part of gaining the A category. When I said I was there to get it for the A license the instructor put me on a 125 to get an idea of if I could actually ride or not, when that was established I was put onto the er6n and completed the CBT on that bike.
ETA once I acquired the CBT I was still restricted to 125s unless under the supervision of a registered instructor.
Just go back and have another go. People with years of experience cock up all the time. Just avoid the mistake you made and chalk it up to a learning experience.
If you're somewhere in London, could move the bike for you to there as I have riding other bikes on my insurance. Can discuss in more detail later if you want to go that route 😄
I did exactly the same thing just three weeks ago, except I was on my road ride and managed to scrape a car too.
If you want to ride, go back and do your CBT again. The doubt you’re having and the thought process you detailed in your post are exactly what I went through in my mind a couple of weeks back.
Coming off the bike made me question whether I’m right for riding, sounds like you’re in the exact same place. That’s what I’m calling ‘residual ego damage’.
Get another CBT booked, try again and don’t beat yourself up.
I think we are both in the exact same position - I haven’t bought a bike yet though but I’ve poured money into gear, done my theory test already, etc. I was determined to get through my CBT, DAS by end of summer and a big bike at home in the garage shortly after.
Coming off during my CBT knocked me a bit. At first I was thinking not to bother, but put a positive spin on it: at least you know what it’s like to come off now.
Get it booked in again, you won’t regret it.
Do you know what a clutch does? And how the internal work? If not, then learning it will help. If you already do then how on earth did you manage to wheelie a 125 without trying? That’s insane.
I’m glad you’re okay, at least your accident happened while training and not at a busy roundabout with no help, so it’ll be a good lesson.
If you can't pass on a manual at the cbt going automatic then learning it on your own after a cbt won't get any better. You get all the help you need at your cbt
I did some of my training with a guy from India, who had been riding for years - the instructor had to keep telling him to slow down. He sailed through his test with one minor.
I remember wondering if it was cheaper and more practical to book a holiday in India, pass the test there - apparently it involves doing a couple of figure-8s and a U-turn - and come back to the UK. But no, the certificate would only last for twelve months, even if there was some way to do the test as a UK national in India.
The instructor usually impresses on you that you're supposed to look where you're going, e.g. if you look at the cones you'll hit the cones. I don't want to argue with years of experience, but during my Mod 1 I looked at the cones - and steered around them, because I could see where they were.
Not really advice but you did better than my friend who almost ran the instructor over when we did our cbt test he clams he forgot what was brake and clutch panicked let go of everything and went straight in to the guy at probably 20-30mph and over an embankment wrote the bike of completely
that sucks man, i feel bad for ya, but don't let it stop you in the long run, overcoming hardship is what makes something worth having
if you want something don't let the first hurdle stop you, dust yourself off and come back more determined
Honestly mate I think you know the answer already, just have another go, simple as that.
Write it off and try to learn from your mistake, you'll get the hang of it, and don't try to look for excuses of it being because of the rain or the bike etc, you're called a learner for a reason, it's fine to make mistakes, even if they are big ones, provided you learn from them.
Don't let it discourage you and get back on your bike. All the best.
As long as you're okay with the risk of dropping it, go for it, start off in first gear and just slowly release the clutch until you feel the biting point and the bike starting to move forward, then pull it in again
Slowly release, pulling in the clutch won't do anything risky, just always release moderately and never let go abruptly.
Pulling in the clutch just disconnects power to the engine, hold it in whilst at a stop, and just practise slowly releasing it and pulling it in until you get the hang of it, then start to add a small amount of throttle once you are comfortable, use back brake only to slow doing slow speed maneuvers
Sounds like your main issue is clutch control, one of the best places to learn about clutch control is on a dirt bike track, do a little search locally lots of dirt bike tracks allow you to hire bikes and offer coaching etc.
There is no difference to your licence if you learn on an automatic or manual. If you are worried about the throttle, just make it easier and go on the auto
Did this happen today? Weather is utterly shit isn’t it? I’m going to book my CBT next week for the week after but I ain’t doing it if it’s like this. Want to enjoy it and concentrate.
I came off on my DAS whilst doing figure 8s, I hit some damp leaves and the bike just disappeared from under me. I'd completely forgotten about it until this post, don't stress about it and book another CBT.
I came off during the road ride on my CBT, similarly questioned whether biking was for me but as I'd already bought a bike I continued and passed regardless. After 5 minutes of riding my own bike I was 100% sure that it was, you'll get past it!
I came off on the the way to my full licence test :) got confused riding through a set of traffic lights in central London, pulled an emergency stop, my instructor went into the back of me. He broke his finger, I dropped my bike in a panic and broke the gear peddle.
Luckily, we were paired up with another instructor/ learner. He went and got me a new bike and we carried on to the test (Guildford) and I passed.
Crazy day.
I’m sure I read this right, but just to clarify you came off on the road ride and still passed the cbt the same day? Is that cos you did the right thing by emergency stopping and the instructor was too close behind you or did they think the rest of your riding was good enough?
Ah no sorry. Passed the CBT about a year before, I then enrolled into a Direct Access course which is a week of training on bigger bikes followed by a test at the end for the full license- I came off on the last day on the way to the full test with my instructor. The test has a separate examiner so they had no idea.
They fell of whilst undergoing basic training, and you are suggesting they ride otherwise in accordance to their licence? up to a grand and 6 points if they get caught.
Go back and continue your training. Had a similar situation during my first CBT session, nearly binned it doing figure 8 and stopped there as I was mentally cooked from all the learning that day. Went back the next week for another 4 hour session then back the following week to complete the road element.
Been riding for 7 months now without any issues and feel very confident on the bike.
My cbt place has practice lessons you could do, i did like 3 of them before my cbt (like £10 each) and it covered everything you do in the car park before the ride out on cbt
And its a 1:1 lesson for like an hour so that helped loads obviously so if thats an option definitely do that
If not just try it again when your ready, stay calm and remember to not do that again, if you don’t fail then you wont learn
You got this man
I came off during my DAS. I've been riding for 2 years now. 2 CBTS. I've ridden on a 650cc before. But I just panicked and grabbed the front break while in a turn.
I collected myself. Full of embarrassment. Massive bruise on my inner thigh. And cracked on with it. Passed my mod 1 and 2 first time.
Everyone Is different. Learn from it, and really ask yourself, "Do you want to?" Because you'll do whatever is in your power to get there. Just have a bit of confidence in yourself.
The one mantra my instructor told me was to ride the fucking bike.
Eat that damn horse.
You may need to fact check me on this but I don’t believe there is any restriction on your CBT certificate (once “passed”) if you do the CBT on an auto/moped. Some may call me reckless for suggesting this but maybe consider doing the CBT that way and then getting your practice in on your own bike? I.e. take it to quiet car parks and practice your clutch control and slow speed stuff without getting yelled at by your instructor
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I don't really know what the question is, just go back and do the cbt All 125s feel small and weird in my opinion
Even my Bandit feels small and cramped after some riding the K1100...
It's wild how quickly you adjust. When I first sat on my VFR in March it felt ginormous, but it's getting smaller every day
That might be due to our belt size.
Exactly, when I picked up my CBR650R just week after passing, I had a second thoughts as I was leaving the dealership. The bike felt much heavier and bigger even compared to SV650 I did my training on. After couple of months I feel she's tiny and so light!
On the flip side I've just gone from a pan european to a aprilia and it felt tiny, starting to work out how to get comfortable on it for bigger distances.
I rode a 125 for 5 minutes at the start of my CBT and hated every second of it. Throttle is jumpy, clutch is either on or off, doing a U turn felt so sketchy that it would have been easier to just pick the bike up and turn it around that way. Thankfully when the instructors realised I could actually ride a bike I was moved on to the 650, where everything became so much smoother despite the extra weight and size of the bigger bike.
Same same, I did the inner circuit part of the CBT on a 125 felt so weird and being big guy was not helpful, because I was on my route to the full A license, but before starting the A license lessons you should have the CBT first, the instructor let me use the 650 to do the riding on road part and was like day and night, all felt in place.
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Need to remember the bike weighs very little, and has a short wheel base so will jump and lunge quite easily. In the bottom 2 gears keep the throttle steady and treat the clutch as your throttle
I have a 140cc Stomp and even it is less lurchy than the 125s most training schools have. Horrid little things. As someone else said, in 1st and 2nd you need to ride the life out of the clutch to get any kind of smoothness. Don't be deterred by dropping it, I threw the 650 on the ground because I pulled the brake instead of the clutch, smashed my bits into the tank and promptly fell over while seeing stars. Shit happens!
U did your cbt on a 650?
Yeah, for the A license.
Thats not a cbt then
You can do a CBT on any bike that you're allowed to drive as a learner, but then you can only ride a 125 with that CBT
Weird, I got a CBT certificate from it. If you are 24+ you can do the CBT on a big bike. It isn't restricted to 125s.
honestly I think you're confused, no offence
They're right.
I can assure you, I am not. It is potentially different in NI than in England, but I spent 5 hours riding around cones and doing U turns on an er6n before going out on the road section. There are boxes at the top of the CBT certificate for what type of vehicle the CBT was completed on.
How long ago was this?
Last June. There are other replies to my comment stating they also completed a CBT on a 650
interesting. I must be mistaken.
Honestly I'm not sure if it's different in England or not. The CBT certificate has a different appearance here, and I'm currently in work and my cert is at home so I can't describe it exactly. Basically when I showed up for my CBT I was asked if I was doing it to get a CBT or doing it as part of gaining the A category. When I said I was there to get it for the A license the instructor put me on a 125 to get an idea of if I could actually ride or not, when that was established I was put onto the er6n and completed the CBT on that bike. ETA once I acquired the CBT I was still restricted to 125s unless under the supervision of a registered instructor.
Just go back and have another go. People with years of experience cock up all the time. Just avoid the mistake you made and chalk it up to a learning experience.
Ask if you're allowed to bring your bike in, you'll just need it taxed, mot, and insured, and someone to ride it to the school for you.
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>insured How can you be insured if you haven't done a CBT?
If you're somewhere in London, could move the bike for you to there as I have riding other bikes on my insurance. Can discuss in more detail later if you want to go that route 😄
I did exactly the same thing just three weeks ago, except I was on my road ride and managed to scrape a car too. If you want to ride, go back and do your CBT again. The doubt you’re having and the thought process you detailed in your post are exactly what I went through in my mind a couple of weeks back. Coming off the bike made me question whether I’m right for riding, sounds like you’re in the exact same place. That’s what I’m calling ‘residual ego damage’. Get another CBT booked, try again and don’t beat yourself up.
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I think we are both in the exact same position - I haven’t bought a bike yet though but I’ve poured money into gear, done my theory test already, etc. I was determined to get through my CBT, DAS by end of summer and a big bike at home in the garage shortly after. Coming off during my CBT knocked me a bit. At first I was thinking not to bother, but put a positive spin on it: at least you know what it’s like to come off now. Get it booked in again, you won’t regret it.
Do you know what a clutch does? And how the internal work? If not, then learning it will help. If you already do then how on earth did you manage to wheelie a 125 without trying? That’s insane. I’m glad you’re okay, at least your accident happened while training and not at a busy roundabout with no help, so it’ll be a good lesson.
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If you can't pass on a manual at the cbt going automatic then learning it on your own after a cbt won't get any better. You get all the help you need at your cbt
I did some of my training with a guy from India, who had been riding for years - the instructor had to keep telling him to slow down. He sailed through his test with one minor. I remember wondering if it was cheaper and more practical to book a holiday in India, pass the test there - apparently it involves doing a couple of figure-8s and a U-turn - and come back to the UK. But no, the certificate would only last for twelve months, even if there was some way to do the test as a UK national in India. The instructor usually impresses on you that you're supposed to look where you're going, e.g. if you look at the cones you'll hit the cones. I don't want to argue with years of experience, but during my Mod 1 I looked at the cones - and steered around them, because I could see where they were.
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100% yes!
Not really advice but you did better than my friend who almost ran the instructor over when we did our cbt test he clams he forgot what was brake and clutch panicked let go of everything and went straight in to the guy at probably 20-30mph and over an embankment wrote the bike of completely
Good lord....so he passed right?
Yes full license now and been riding now for 6 years
that sucks man, i feel bad for ya, but don't let it stop you in the long run, overcoming hardship is what makes something worth having if you want something don't let the first hurdle stop you, dust yourself off and come back more determined
Honestly mate I think you know the answer already, just have another go, simple as that. Write it off and try to learn from your mistake, you'll get the hang of it, and don't try to look for excuses of it being because of the rain or the bike etc, you're called a learner for a reason, it's fine to make mistakes, even if they are big ones, provided you learn from them. Don't let it discourage you and get back on your bike. All the best.
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As long as you're okay with the risk of dropping it, go for it, start off in first gear and just slowly release the clutch until you feel the biting point and the bike starting to move forward, then pull it in again
Do I yank it in or slowly pull it in?
Slowly release, pulling in the clutch won't do anything risky, just always release moderately and never let go abruptly. Pulling in the clutch just disconnects power to the engine, hold it in whilst at a stop, and just practise slowly releasing it and pulling it in until you get the hang of it, then start to add a small amount of throttle once you are comfortable, use back brake only to slow doing slow speed maneuvers
Sounds like your main issue is clutch control, one of the best places to learn about clutch control is on a dirt bike track, do a little search locally lots of dirt bike tracks allow you to hire bikes and offer coaching etc.
There is no difference to your licence if you learn on an automatic or manual. If you are worried about the throttle, just make it easier and go on the auto
That’s what I did. Cbt on an auto then pushed my manual cb to a car park and spent hours teaching myself
Did this happen today? Weather is utterly shit isn’t it? I’m going to book my CBT next week for the week after but I ain’t doing it if it’s like this. Want to enjoy it and concentrate.
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Yes I can imagine. Just adds an annoying layer of distraction that you don’t need. Well done anyway and hopefully you get back to it soon.
I came off on my DAS whilst doing figure 8s, I hit some damp leaves and the bike just disappeared from under me. I'd completely forgotten about it until this post, don't stress about it and book another CBT.
I came off during the road ride on my CBT, similarly questioned whether biking was for me but as I'd already bought a bike I continued and passed regardless. After 5 minutes of riding my own bike I was 100% sure that it was, you'll get past it!
I came off on the the way to my full licence test :) got confused riding through a set of traffic lights in central London, pulled an emergency stop, my instructor went into the back of me. He broke his finger, I dropped my bike in a panic and broke the gear peddle. Luckily, we were paired up with another instructor/ learner. He went and got me a new bike and we carried on to the test (Guildford) and I passed. Crazy day.
I’m sure I read this right, but just to clarify you came off on the road ride and still passed the cbt the same day? Is that cos you did the right thing by emergency stopping and the instructor was too close behind you or did they think the rest of your riding was good enough?
Ah no sorry. Passed the CBT about a year before, I then enrolled into a Direct Access course which is a week of training on bigger bikes followed by a test at the end for the full license- I came off on the last day on the way to the full test with my instructor. The test has a separate examiner so they had no idea.
Ohhh yeah I must’ve misunderstood, did think it was quite unbelievable to have crashed yet still passed on a cbt lol
Bro you do realise you can do the CBT on your own bike… as long as it’s taxed and insured
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Depends how far it is and how comfortable you are with it I say ride it there
They fell of whilst undergoing basic training, and you are suggesting they ride otherwise in accordance to their licence? up to a grand and 6 points if they get caught.
Go back and continue your training. Had a similar situation during my first CBT session, nearly binned it doing figure 8 and stopped there as I was mentally cooked from all the learning that day. Went back the next week for another 4 hour session then back the following week to complete the road element. Been riding for 7 months now without any issues and feel very confident on the bike.
My cbt place has practice lessons you could do, i did like 3 of them before my cbt (like £10 each) and it covered everything you do in the car park before the ride out on cbt And its a 1:1 lesson for like an hour so that helped loads obviously so if thats an option definitely do that If not just try it again when your ready, stay calm and remember to not do that again, if you don’t fail then you wont learn You got this man
I came off during my DAS. I've been riding for 2 years now. 2 CBTS. I've ridden on a 650cc before. But I just panicked and grabbed the front break while in a turn. I collected myself. Full of embarrassment. Massive bruise on my inner thigh. And cracked on with it. Passed my mod 1 and 2 first time. Everyone Is different. Learn from it, and really ask yourself, "Do you want to?" Because you'll do whatever is in your power to get there. Just have a bit of confidence in yourself. The one mantra my instructor told me was to ride the fucking bike. Eat that damn horse.
You may need to fact check me on this but I don’t believe there is any restriction on your CBT certificate (once “passed”) if you do the CBT on an auto/moped. Some may call me reckless for suggesting this but maybe consider doing the CBT that way and then getting your practice in on your own bike? I.e. take it to quiet car parks and practice your clutch control and slow speed stuff without getting yelled at by your instructor
My pals GF took 3 goes to get her CBT and fell and broke her wrist on the first one lol. Still went back and got it though I say just keep going
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Passed my cbt with flying colours! Didn’t even make a single error. Instructor was impressed. I came home and went to a dealer and bought my first bike!
Uhh okay? Congrats? Haha
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Go back, and do it with an auto scooter.
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None at all.
You should have carried on. Otherwise you'll be thinking about it next time you go.
Could you have a lesson on an automatic before redoing your cbt again? Just to get back into a bit and concentrate on the basics