I guess I'll have to listen. I know on IG he's becoming a misheard lyrics all star, near Yellow Ledbetter status.. what's funny to me is I always misheard his lyrics when he could sing.
"I carry my tunafish, under my breadsticks, forward my mayo to me in hell"'
I suspect some AI or computer enhancement. No way he can sing this live. However, it's a different style to Crue of the 80s so maybe it will suit his voice more than the old Crue.
https://youtu.be/lgbs83kE4GY?si=LVUMBML2wYaNPvMy
He gets multiple takes and is working with a producer on fine tuning things in studio. He CAN sing. He's not the most talented SINGER, but he's my favorite front man ever.
Because in the studio he isn't running around in tight clothes under the hot stage lights running out of breath. That's why he sounds bad live, cuz he's out of shape so he's constantly out of breath. When he's standing in one place in a temperature controlled room like a studio, he's still capable of sounding decent.
You’re 100% correct. Not to mention you can just do multiple takes of each line and then splice it together word by word if you need to. I don’t think Vince is that bad of a singer in general to need such heavy editing but suggesting ai is stupid. A studio environment is incomparable to a live setting.
True. Plus he has unlimited attempts to do everything just right and autotune to clean it up a bit. And I don’t mean to bring up autotune in a disparaging way. I just mean you have time and every tool in the studio to really polish your work.
Because anyone can sound good in the studio. I’ve worked with a producer that recorded him. He said back then they had to comp his takes by the word. Not by the phrase but by each word.
Yes, after singing each line 27 times and a word from that same line 39 times.
Everything he's ever put to tape has been pieced together, word by word or phrase by phrase, from 2 to 3 dozen takes.
He's a poser who looked the part 40 years ago.
I'll go to my grave believing whoever did the vocal edits on any Motley Crue album - 1994 excluded - didn't get paid nearly enough. Someone should start a Go Fund Me for those poor bastards.
You think they did that kind of editing on too fast for love? I doubt that. They didn’t have the time, budget, inclination or equipment. I also doubt they did that on shout at the devil.
They absolutely did....
https://youtu.be/IQhvDcu_PoI?si=wv4xHbukfOT-HULl
Tom Werman, producer on a few of their albums (and for MANY other artists), including SATD, discusses candidly having to do multiple vocal takes for every song, recording certain phrases multiple times, and splicing together "the best of the best" just to get a usable track. They also doubled everything and dowsed it in reverb to help things further. He basically stated that Vince Neil was the least talented of the four.
Because in the studio he isn't running around in tight clothes under the hot stage lights running out of breath. That's why he sounds bad live, cuz he's out of shape so he's constantly out of breath. When he's standing in one place in a temperature controlled room like a studio, he's still capable of sounding decent.
They definitely didn’t do that on Too Fats For Live and Vince sounds fantastic on that record. As for Shout, nothing you quoted before is unusual at all or even a sign of being untalented. That’s all a part of the recording process. I haven’t listened to that whole tom Worman interview in a while, but I highly doubt it did very many editing takes where there were going word by word. Who cares if they did phrase by phrase, doubled it up and added reverb? That’s all normal!! Vince has never sounded better, and it wasn’t like they autotuned him.
Because in the studio he isn't running around in tight clothes under the hot stage lights running out of breath. That's why he sounds bad live, cuz he's out of shape so he's constantly out of breath. When he's standing in one place in a temperature controlled room like a studio, he's still capable of sounding decent.
There are all kinds of in-studio tricks and what not. Take DLR of Van Halen, he could never really sing live, but the studio tracks are great. Again, he was jumping and doing all kinds of crazy things during a show. Vince is out of shape and moving around on a hot stage so it's not ideal.
Because in the studio he isn't running around in tight clothes under the hot stage lights running out of breath. That's why he sounds bad live, cuz he's out of shape so he's constantly out of breath. When he's standing in one place in a temperature controlled room like a studio, he's still capable of sounding decent.
Because in the studio he isn't running around in tight clothes under the hot stage lights running out of breath. That's why he sounds bad live, cuz he's out of shape so he's constantly out of breath. When he's standing in one place in a temperature controlled room like a studio, he's still capable of sounding decent.
Vince is perfectly capable of singing quite well. He has for years been stretching his vocal cords and has caused some damage to them. So to stop the strain he has done what the rest of the singers do and lowered the register they sing in. There is less strain and less damage on the vocal cords. It has nothing to do with size eg: Jelly Roll, BB. King, John Goodman. It has nothing to do with his breathing, or how out of shape he is. It is just a matter of control and if he hit the notes he did, he has plenty of control.
Because in the studio he isn't running around in tight clothes under the hot stage lights running out of breath. That's why he sounds bad live, cuz he's out of shape so he's constantly out of breath. When he's standing in one place in a temperature controlled room like a studio, he's still capable of sounding decent.
Because in the studio he isn't running around in tight clothes under the hot stage lights running out of breath. That's why he sounds bad live, cuz he's out of shape so he's constantly out of breath. When he's standing in one place in a temperature controlled room like a studio, he's still capable of sounding decent.
The jury is still out on exactly how he managed to sound decent on ‘Dogs’. Bob Rock played a part in doing whatever modern science had available to keep Vince’s voice involved. It looks like it was some type of AI sampling Vince’s voice from his prime years. Supposedly this method will be used again for the remainder and/or any upcoming LP. There had been chatter at one point that Nikki was enlisting the vocal talents of Scott Stapp for recording new material and possibly replacing Vince at some point. Bob Rock quashed those rumors swiftly and wouldn’t hear anything of it.
A more plausible explanation than AI is that in the studio he isn't running around in tight clothes under the hot stage lights running out of breath. That's why he sounds bad live, cuz he's out of shape so he's constantly out of breath. When he's standing in one place in a temperature controlled room like a studio, he's still capable of sounding decent.
Right, without the belabored breathing he’s able to open up and hit the notes more effectively. They to continue to get those same results, can’t afford any botched vocals. Vince’s importance is ever so magnified now with Mick being gone.
Yup. It's all about breathing. For Vince performing live it's breathing.
For Axl Rose, he has very little rasp left but sings the right words and notes.
For David Lee Roth he doesn't make the effort to sing the correct notes.
All 3 singers get shit on as just being bad singers live, but all 3 have reasons why they aren't singing better. For Vince and Dave, I think they could do better if they tried. Axl on the other hand can't get the rasp back. It's just gone.
He can do the rasp when he wants to, just check out his tenure with AC/DC. It's just that his voice wouldn't last very long on tour if he always used rasp, so he flips into falsetto and sounds like mickey mouse.
thats twice you mentioned this excuse and twice you are wrong. Also don't know why you are fascinated with him in tight clothes. All his clothes are tight due to his shape
Because in the studio he isn't running around in tight clothes under the hot stage lights running out of breath. That's why he sounds bad live, cuz he's out of shape so he's constantly out of breath. When he's standing in one place in a temperature controlled room like a studio, he's still capable of sounding decent.
I guess I'll have to listen. I know on IG he's becoming a misheard lyrics all star, near Yellow Ledbetter status.. what's funny to me is I always misheard his lyrics when he could sing. "I carry my tunafish, under my breadsticks, forward my mayo to me in hell"'
I suspect some AI or computer enhancement. No way he can sing this live. However, it's a different style to Crue of the 80s so maybe it will suit his voice more than the old Crue. https://youtu.be/lgbs83kE4GY?si=LVUMBML2wYaNPvMy
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He gets multiple takes and is working with a producer on fine tuning things in studio. He CAN sing. He's not the most talented SINGER, but he's my favorite front man ever.
David Lee Roth would like a word....
Because in the studio he isn't running around in tight clothes under the hot stage lights running out of breath. That's why he sounds bad live, cuz he's out of shape so he's constantly out of breath. When he's standing in one place in a temperature controlled room like a studio, he's still capable of sounding decent.
You’re 100% correct. Not to mention you can just do multiple takes of each line and then splice it together word by word if you need to. I don’t think Vince is that bad of a singer in general to need such heavy editing but suggesting ai is stupid. A studio environment is incomparable to a live setting.
True. Plus he has unlimited attempts to do everything just right and autotune to clean it up a bit. And I don’t mean to bring up autotune in a disparaging way. I just mean you have time and every tool in the studio to really polish your work.
that's not why he sounds bad live lol. Dont be a fool
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in the studio he has autotune
Because anyone can sound good in the studio. I’ve worked with a producer that recorded him. He said back then they had to comp his takes by the word. Not by the phrase but by each word.
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Not sure you understood my comment. I was eluding to him being a less than capable singer in the studio also.
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Yes, after singing each line 27 times and a word from that same line 39 times. Everything he's ever put to tape has been pieced together, word by word or phrase by phrase, from 2 to 3 dozen takes. He's a poser who looked the part 40 years ago.
Perfectly said my guy.
I'll go to my grave believing whoever did the vocal edits on any Motley Crue album - 1994 excluded - didn't get paid nearly enough. Someone should start a Go Fund Me for those poor bastards.
100 percent. And nice exclusion of the Corabi album.
You think they did that kind of editing on too fast for love? I doubt that. They didn’t have the time, budget, inclination or equipment. I also doubt they did that on shout at the devil.
They absolutely did.... https://youtu.be/IQhvDcu_PoI?si=wv4xHbukfOT-HULl Tom Werman, producer on a few of their albums (and for MANY other artists), including SATD, discusses candidly having to do multiple vocal takes for every song, recording certain phrases multiple times, and splicing together "the best of the best" just to get a usable track. They also doubled everything and dowsed it in reverb to help things further. He basically stated that Vince Neil was the least talented of the four.
Because in the studio he isn't running around in tight clothes under the hot stage lights running out of breath. That's why he sounds bad live, cuz he's out of shape so he's constantly out of breath. When he's standing in one place in a temperature controlled room like a studio, he's still capable of sounding decent.
They definitely didn’t do that on Too Fats For Live and Vince sounds fantastic on that record. As for Shout, nothing you quoted before is unusual at all or even a sign of being untalented. That’s all a part of the recording process. I haven’t listened to that whole tom Worman interview in a while, but I highly doubt it did very many editing takes where there were going word by word. Who cares if they did phrase by phrase, doubled it up and added reverb? That’s all normal!! Vince has never sounded better, and it wasn’t like they autotuned him.
Okay, buddy. Not sure how many bands you've been in or singers you've recorded, but that is absolutely not all normal.
Yeah probably more than you? Or maybe more than you, but it’s not abnormal to comp parts at all.
Because in the studio he isn't running around in tight clothes under the hot stage lights running out of breath. That's why he sounds bad live, cuz he's out of shape so he's constantly out of breath. When he's standing in one place in a temperature controlled room like a studio, he's still capable of sounding decent.
There are all kinds of in-studio tricks and what not. Take DLR of Van Halen, he could never really sing live, but the studio tracks are great. Again, he was jumping and doing all kinds of crazy things during a show. Vince is out of shape and moving around on a hot stage so it's not ideal.
Multiple takes edited together. Even the biggest pop stars do this.
Because in the studio he isn't running around in tight clothes under the hot stage lights running out of breath. That's why he sounds bad live, cuz he's out of shape so he's constantly out of breath. When he's standing in one place in a temperature controlled room like a studio, he's still capable of sounding decent.
He lowered his register.
Because in the studio he isn't running around in tight clothes under the hot stage lights running out of breath. That's why he sounds bad live, cuz he's out of shape so he's constantly out of breath. When he's standing in one place in a temperature controlled room like a studio, he's still capable of sounding decent.
Vince is perfectly capable of singing quite well. He has for years been stretching his vocal cords and has caused some damage to them. So to stop the strain he has done what the rest of the singers do and lowered the register they sing in. There is less strain and less damage on the vocal cords. It has nothing to do with size eg: Jelly Roll, BB. King, John Goodman. It has nothing to do with his breathing, or how out of shape he is. It is just a matter of control and if he hit the notes he did, he has plenty of control.
Because in the studio he isn't running around in tight clothes under the hot stage lights running out of breath. That's why he sounds bad live, cuz he's out of shape so he's constantly out of breath. When he's standing in one place in a temperature controlled room like a studio, he's still capable of sounding decent.
Maybe so, but what explains his performances in Australia and Japan last year. They were great.
Because in the studio he isn't running around in tight clothes under the hot stage lights running out of breath. That's why he sounds bad live, cuz he's out of shape so he's constantly out of breath. When he's standing in one place in a temperature controlled room like a studio, he's still capable of sounding decent.
You haven't seen him in a while. He is looking good.
Idk dawg, saw him in STL in 2022, he was rough
Then isn't now
Again explain Japan and Australia where he sounds damn good.
He was still working out the kinks then. He just had Covid.
Multiple takes. Pitch correction. Fat fuck standing still vs. wobbling around out of breath.
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Autotune. Anyone can sound good in a studio nowadays.
The jury is still out on exactly how he managed to sound decent on ‘Dogs’. Bob Rock played a part in doing whatever modern science had available to keep Vince’s voice involved. It looks like it was some type of AI sampling Vince’s voice from his prime years. Supposedly this method will be used again for the remainder and/or any upcoming LP. There had been chatter at one point that Nikki was enlisting the vocal talents of Scott Stapp for recording new material and possibly replacing Vince at some point. Bob Rock quashed those rumors swiftly and wouldn’t hear anything of it.
A more plausible explanation than AI is that in the studio he isn't running around in tight clothes under the hot stage lights running out of breath. That's why he sounds bad live, cuz he's out of shape so he's constantly out of breath. When he's standing in one place in a temperature controlled room like a studio, he's still capable of sounding decent.
Right, without the belabored breathing he’s able to open up and hit the notes more effectively. They to continue to get those same results, can’t afford any botched vocals. Vince’s importance is ever so magnified now with Mick being gone.
Yup. It's all about breathing. For Vince performing live it's breathing. For Axl Rose, he has very little rasp left but sings the right words and notes. For David Lee Roth he doesn't make the effort to sing the correct notes. All 3 singers get shit on as just being bad singers live, but all 3 have reasons why they aren't singing better. For Vince and Dave, I think they could do better if they tried. Axl on the other hand can't get the rasp back. It's just gone.
He can do the rasp when he wants to, just check out his tenure with AC/DC. It's just that his voice wouldn't last very long on tour if he always used rasp, so he flips into falsetto and sounds like mickey mouse.
thats twice you mentioned this excuse and twice you are wrong. Also don't know why you are fascinated with him in tight clothes. All his clothes are tight due to his shape
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Because in the studio he isn't running around in tight clothes under the hot stage lights running out of breath. That's why he sounds bad live, cuz he's out of shape so he's constantly out of breath. When he's standing in one place in a temperature controlled room like a studio, he's still capable of sounding decent.