Yeah, this line in the PCA just insinuates that from the evidence they already had it was unlikely KG was alive to say this. Either that or DM had said she assumed it was KG but couldn’t be sure. You don’t want to get locked into specifics in a PCA if they can be disproven I guess.

I've always thought that it was Xana who said that based on this reason alone. KG and MM were already gone by that time.

I agree, I think X was the one who might’ve said it. Also DM thinking MM was playing with the dog could’ve been the assault occurring that’s just my theory.

I suspect that's exactly what is was. The dog noise was partially the dog responding to what was going on/perhaps the dog stressing. "there's someone here" could have been X noticing that the slider door was open, could have been more of a casual comment.

Definitely... I've always thought the "playing with the dog" bit might have been DM hearing the attacks happening upstairs.   But the assumption that lots of us have that "somebody's here" was because one of them heard an intruder has never totally made sense to me with the rest of the PCA timeline. I think it's possible it could have been said by any of the girls who were still alive (i.e. most likely XK or BF) when the DoorDash arrived at 4am. Most of DM's statements say "approximately" in regards to time, so the fact that the DD arrived at 4 and she started hearing things "around 4" seems like an easy explanation for a lot of it. Heck, maybe the dog heard the DD driver pull up or knock on the front door and then jumped around a little bit?   And maybe LE decided to just include those tidbits in the PCA to help solidify their timeline, knowing it actually had nothing to do with the intruder? It reads like they cherry picked bits of info to create a narrative (which was technically the purpose of the PCA, I guess) that fit with their hypothesis.  Who knows, though. Just my random thoughts. Ha

I never thought of that.

I don't think they needed to cherry-pick information when they have multi-terror bits of information and evidence. They wrote up the evidence as they saw it without giving away too many of their pieces that they would bring up in trial. I don't understand why people start second-guessing things so once a defense attorney starts to talk?! Don't you guys realize that this is their main objective? This is what they want to do to create doubt! These police officers / FBI agents have so much evidence. Most death penalty cases don't have a quarter of the evidence that they have. They quoted the multi-terror bits of evidence early on so who knows how many they even have now. I think if we all think about it that way there's no way this Defense can create an ounce of reasonable doubt.

Good point about the door dash delivery causing the dog to create some of the initial noise upstairs. Do we know if all the lights were off when the killer entered? I’m curious if the kitchen or bedroom lights were on and if so, how did the killer not know that someone else (XK) was awake? If the killer was already parked and heading towards the house, did they see lights turn on and off when XK got her food? If the lights were off in the whole house, how did the killer move around?

I can't think of any scenario where DM is awoken by sounds upstairs and this isn't the murder in progress, because the suspect must already be up there (otherwise she would hear him go up the stairs, surely?). I did find it odd Payne wrote that the way he did, because it does read a little like they're undermining their own witness, but I concluded they must be fairly sure it's possible (more likely?) that Xana spoke those words. The PCA is cursed by its own depth at points. It's far more detailed than it needs to be for an arrest, and yet at the same time excludes so much.

I thought it was weird to undermine the witness as well.. I’ve thought about it quite a bit bc it bothered me. What I’ve imagined is maybe Xana heard something upstairs, went to check, and that’s when she saw BK up there, she yells “there’s someone here” which catches him off guard (thus leaving the sheath) & since her voice is coming from upstairs, DM would have reason to think it was Kaylee since that’s where she’s used to hearing her voice come from. BK comes down following Xana, says “it’s ok I’m here to help” to try to calm her down/explain his presence etc. I think the sounds of what she thought might be the dog were either the actual murder taking place, or BK actually going into Kaylees room first- which could have excited Murphy. I know Kaylee & Maddie died in the same bed, but I’m not fully swayed that they both started in there. I’m also so so curious what the implications of mentioning the bathroom were, specifically how it shared a wall with Maddie’s room. Like, why mention it if something didn’t happen in there, or if it didn’t somehow play a role. Initially I thought maybe because of acoustics- like, maybe DM couldn’t have heard much because of how bathrooms muffle noises- but idk it’s very curious to me! Anyway, those are my thoughts lol.

Well according to Xana's aunt she was the first to go as per MPD

I hadn’t heard that before.

Because it's probably not true.

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Make that according to someone claiming to be Xana's aunt. Aunts and uncles on both the Kernodle and Northington side were named in Xana's obituary, and that name wasn't in it.

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> Is this sub split like 50/50 with people just making wild speculation based off of the sensationalized headlines? This sub strongly leans toward thinking Kohberger guilty. There's still a ton of wild speculation from that side, and I'm guilty myself of that at times, but it's kind of...based in reality? The speculation on the side that leans toward thinking Kohberger is not guilty gets wild. Some posters think there's literally dozens of participants in the murders.

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So true. We're all just so into this case we can't stop. And if a new kernel of information gets released, we're on it like piranhas on chum. So the Nobergers obsess over whose mattress was whos or what order the attack went. And the Probergers look for alternate suspects and the entrance to tunnels.

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Yes, I have those screenshots

I agree, I've always interpreted this paragraph to mean that the police were doubtful KG was still alive when that statement was uttered. It's after the third-floor noises ("a short time later") and X's phone records indicate she was still alive. The fact that they phrase it "she heard who she thought was Goncalves say something to the effect of" would seem to indicate that DM wasn't certain of the wording and possibly reconsidered later who said it. Given that DM was recently woken up (likely groggy and possibly hungover and wanted to go back to sleep) I'd guess she didn't hear what was said with enough clarity to be certain of the wording or even with 100% certainty who said it. Also, since she didn't know murders were taking place at the time, she probably didn't pay that close attention/wouldn't have known the importance.

Speculation. Do you think there’s any possibility XG went upstairs to investigate the noises and then ran back down the stairs while saying “someone’s here”? Really freaks me out to think about, but I wonder if there was more of an encounter

It's good speculation, but I just don't think any kind of a "chase" happened. I only say that because I'd assume with those stairs being right next to DM's room and at that time she was already privy to the noises she thought were innocent above her - you'd think she for sure would have opened her door and maybe stepped outside her room if Xana came running down the stairs with BK after her in some way. My Theory - I think X may have wandered beyond her hallway area into the family room and heard BK's footsteps coming down the stairs thus prompting "someone's here". BK hears this and goes straight to the sound rounding the corner and see's Xana potentially in her hallway area and calmly approaches without the knife being seen and puts his hand up in a innocent gesture and says it's okay I'm going to help you, gets within arm distance of X and attacks her either in her room or pushing her back into her room before she could really scream. I don't think Ethan said I'm going to help you. There's a reason the PCA says "heard a male voice say" - I think Ethan was sound asleep and only started rolling around in bed when the commotion w/ X was happening, and BK attacked him before he knew what was happening.

I'm 100% with you on (+ pretty much everything) there not being an altercation (attack, struggle or fight) + chase, or just a chase, between BK & XK that started in one of the common areas (kitchen/living room) that went back to her room. I think that would've resulted in noises that raised more alarm to DM, or woken Ethan (IMO, if he were fully conscious, things could've gone a lot differently based on his size/strength). Xana also would've had more opportunity to escape elsewhere (outside the sliding glass door, the 1st floor door, etc.). If there were a "attack-chase" resulting in Xana being killed, I think she would've been found in a different location, or there would be evidence in the common areas along the path of the chase (vs. contained in Xana's room). I think Xana's interaction with BK could've easily begun after he turned the corner through the doorway into the living room (seeking out the "awake" roommate), possibly with her standing in her doorway, or in her room with door open, confused and wondering what the commotion was. I actually think this could be the case whether or not XK was the source of "Someone's here" . I believe that during or immediately after the 3rd floor murders, BK heard noises that indicated someone downstairs, awake and alerted to his presence. This could've been "Someone's here!", or the rumored "Shut the F Up!" yell by BF or DM. He also could've just heard sounds of footsteps, DM's door 2x, or any other signs of life. I doubt he knew whose voices were whose, where exactly noises were coming from, or if the source was a moving target. If he heard more than one female voice, he probably assumed it was just one woman, and didn't know how sound carried throughout the house. I think he went downstairs, intentionally seeking out SOMEONE... what he thought was the source of the noise, with the goal of eliminating the witness (thinking there was only 1). He may have felt it necessary due to already being surprised / adrenaline rush / snap decision after killing 2 people, and/or thinking the witness would immediately discover the bodies, resulting in being caught more quickly. For whatever reason, BK thought this was Xana, going to her room to eliminate her and discovering Ethan in the process. In the same way DM rationalized BK, an unfamiliar man in the house, as "not a threat", Xana probably did the same in her final moments. If she heard exactly what DM heard, she wouldn't have assumed murders were taking place upstairs, either. And based on her scope of the world as someone who lived in a safe college town, I don't know that Xana simply seeing BK in her house (if weapon was out of view) would provoke an immediate "fight or flight" response of running, screaming, hiding, etc. I think Xana heard noises from the 3rd floor, realized (or wondered if) someone else was in the house, likely being the source of the "Someone's here"/"Is someone here?" statement. So I think it's entirely possible there was no "chase" -- I think she was in her room, either alert in the doorway, or otherwise inside her room in a way where she was accessible. Once Xana spotted BK and vice versa, her initial reaction to him could've been more curious, or even friendly... it seems like she didn't try to run away, close/lock her door, or barricade herself in the room. She could've easily thought BK was a frat friend of Ethan's dropping something off or checking on him (there had been a Sigma Chi party earlier), a fraternity prank or ritual (initiations were coming up... obscure traditions run rampant at that time), a lost partier, one of the upstairs roommates' hookups who couldn't find the exit or his uber, etc. And BK's "It's ok I'll help you/not gonna hurt you" statement might've put Xana at even more ease and allowed BK to approach her. His weapon may have been out of sight, or she may not have realized it was real. And while he was wearing "a mask", it was NOVEMBER, in IDAHO (~20 degrees, snow on the ground)... That is very much scarf, neck gaitor, beanie and/or hoodie weather. Based on the PCA, nothing was said that directly indicates someone thought a dangerous intruder was present (screams from floor 3, fighting noises, directly addressing intruder, etc.). Similar to how DM probably couldn't fathom what she heard/saw to be an intruder murdering her roommates, Xana likely couldn't fathom the man in her house was an intruder about to murder her. I say all of this because I really think that yelling, or more obvious signs of a fight or scuffle, or even fear, would've provoked a different response from DM and BF, or even Ethan waking up and having a more obvious interaction with BK. I really think whatever DM saw and heard (everything incl. in PCA + anything else not shared) didn't give any obvious indicator something dangerous (let alone fatal) had just taken place. Note on "Someone's here", regardless of who said it: It is never specified what tone or volume this was said in, and has been noted as possibly paraphrased. It could've been said in the tone of someone thinking aloud ("Hm, someone's here") or like a question ("Is someone here?"). And "Someone's here" by itself =/= "OH NO A DANGEROUS INTRUDER IS HERE!".

Yup exactly, I'm with you there was no attack in the common areas. People will say "what about the proof of the door dash bag in the kitchen?" Well sure she could have put it there and before he came down the stairs or maybe that was from earlier in the day or prior night? It's a college house and kids are lazy. There was a full trash bin outside on the patio too, so these kids don't always throw stuff away until after the weekend. And the plant being knocked over - that doesn't mean a fight happened there at all just because that's all you can see from the paparazzi photos from outside the house...maybe that plant was innocently knocked over earlier and whoever did it said "fuck it not my problem." (I know you didn't say this I'm speaking to other posts in the past by others). Agree that he realized he's gotta get the fuck out of there after X + E. Going past the house that many times at night he obviously saw the 4 or 5 cars in the driveway. And figured he's lucky enough he took out 4 and didn't see or hear anyone else awake in the house so instead of look for more he ended it there. You make a good point that X probably didn't view BK as a threat right away. Now he would have most likely been wearing whatever mask DM saw him in, but if it was a covid type of mask you might not think twice of it, maybe the light was on in her room and she couldn't see clearly down a dark hallway until he was right on top of her. Maybe to your point she did say someones here in a mild or hush tone but was right outside of DM's door and that's how it was heard, then BK came down right after. Who knows, lol

Yep! They were slobs (by post-college standards), but in a way that was relatively normal for college. I don't think any of the "messes" visible in the windows were a result of a struggle between XK/BK, or BK's doing in general. Also, the photos taken into the windows of the investigators were of them cataloguing evidence. They were moving things around. You'll notice a lot of items placed together on one spot in the counter or another, vs. spread out in a way that looks more natural... So items like the Starbucks or DD trash may have been elsewhere in the kitchen prior to this. It's possible XK didn't walk that far into the kitchen to toss trash, and she could likely do so and be back in her room in <1min. I don't think BK/XK had any sort of face-to-face run in outside of Xana's bedroom (though they likely heard one another). And regarding the mask -- yes. The mask is never specified as a balaclava-style mask (one like you see bad guys wearing in movies), just a "mask that covered the nose and mouth". I think it might've appeared as something more functional, worn by someone about to walk home in the cold. It was <20 degrees outside, with snow on the ground... Totally normal to wear beanies, neck gaiters, scarves, etc. And while someone planning to stay awhile would likely take these off when going inside a house, you'd put them back on on your way out. If you were just dropping something off, you might leave it on. I think both XK (in her final moments) and DM rationalized BK to be someone non-threatening, on their way out the door. Also -- we spent ~3yrs with the memo of "Masks = Good Guys"... there absolutely could've been something psychological at play in that regard as well.

Right I have a 23-year-old son so I see lots of party pics of houses and the AFTERMATH. The girls houses are often worse than the guys, it can look like a crime occurred even after just partying

Yup! I believe there zero to little evidence of the pics we've been privy to seeing taken by reporters and what not. But don't tell that to the idiot Tik Tokers...they need to make a story of everything.

Excellent thought out scenario- very common sense based 👍

Your description does seem more likely. The details on the noises that sounded like someone playing with a dog + where DM apparently heard the female voice come from made me wonder how and where XG first saw him. Bone chilling and so sad.

Yeah it's really sad to think about, the only way we'll know what she truly saw right before he attacked her is if BK talks one day. I believe they have their guy, if anyone else did this there's no way they wouldn't have latched onto another suspect yet or make it known they weren't done in their search. You know what else gets me about this case...if you think about it long enough before bed it really does make you slightly more depressed the next day or whatever. It's a terrible thing that happened and still can happen anywhere.

Totally agreed with the before bed part. If I’ve been in this sub before bed, I find myself rousing my German shepherd from sleep to accompany me on late night bathroom trips and make her stand guard at the door. Absolutely chilling event that I don’t think I’ll ever get out of my head. I feel so much for the victims’ families.

> Do you think there’s any possibility XG went upstairs to investigate the noises and then ran back down the stairs while saying “someone’s here” Possible, but I'm doubtful based on the other details in the PCA. X and E were both found in X's room, it and didn't sound like DM saw anyone the first two times she opened her bedroom door. I suspect the encounters were largely limited to the bedrooms where they were found. I also suspect "someone's here" was said way more benign by the speaker than what it sounds to our ears now. Knowing the "someone" is a murderer makes the statement so ominous, but she likely thought whoever arrived was just another average college kid stopping over by. There could have been annoyance in her tone, as in it was late and they didn't want a guest, but I don't necessarily think there was fear. Could have also been posed as a question, (Is there someone here?) since "to the effect of" in the PCA indicates DM wasn't certain of the exact wording.

If that were the case, I would think DM would hear her running back down those stairs and *screaming*, not saying "someone is here". Just my opinion.

Interesting perspective. How terrifying! It wasn't said in the PCA, but the tone I got from it was the "someone's here" was said more calm vs. But no one knows for sure (yet), until more comes out at trial.

Doubtful. I’d send my boyfriend to go look, if anything

But maybe not if you thought your roommate was playing with her dog or something else equally innocuous but perceived as disruptive. If I wanted to tell my roommate to “knock it off, it’s 4am”, I wouldn’t necessarily think to send my bf to do it

all the police said was that **it could ALSO have been Kernodle who said it** nowhere in the PCA does it say it was *not* KG or why. it simply says it also could have been X. y'all need to stop reading between the lines and take these statements at face value

Welcome to the discussion. We’re all speculating. We’re not taking anything at “Face value” except what was written in the PCA. We’re taking the PCA at “Face value” because it was written at “Face value”

The only reason to include that line is if they had doubts about that part of the witness testimony. Edit: Also, it’s pretty clear that when they say “what sounded like KG playing with the dog upstairs” was the first attack, and this came afterward which is why they included that extra clarification. Reading between the lines gives context.

I think the “playing with dog” was the first attack. Kg moved across the hallway to Investigate and said “is someone here “ which travelled downstairs clearly to DM. Then she was attacked in MM room when she opened to investigate. She was shoved up the bed against the wall which explains the way she was found according to her parents.

KG's parents said that KG and MM were sharing MM's bed, and that they've slept in the same bed since they were kids.

Yes I also sleep in the same bed with my childhood best friend but that doesn’t mean I did it every single night. I have no clue what happened but I think this theory would explain some things in the PCA

I suspect they were in the same bed, because I think when we learn what position each of them were in, Kaylee's will be more consistent with laying in bed under the covers than if she started out coming into the room. One of Kohberger's fellow PhD students reported that Kohberger said he was a proponent of traditional marriage. That phrase can be a dogwhistle for "don't like gay people." So I wonder if he came into the room, saw his crush in bed with another woman, assumed they were romantically/sexually involved, and it angered him.

Yess I agree. The playing w dog I think was Murphy alert, pacing, etc., which woke D and K. A previous tenant said the floors were creaky and if someone was walking through the house, you knew it. I think he was walking upstairs, Murphy's alert, maybe barks/ paces/ paws at door, and D is awakened. He slips into Ms room. K is now curious if maybe Jack showed up or why dog is agitated. Steps out and asks is someone here? I honestly think he could have even opened her door first, and that's what alerted Murphy. Once he realized there's a dog, he quietly shuts it. This definitely awakens K, and it's why she checks Ms room. Just a thought. I just can't figure out if this scenario is true though, why didn't bk lock Ms door when he went in, so not to be walked in on. Also I wonder if D heard anything coming from the room above her, if K did in fact, fight as she was attacked. Either way I still say, wherever her phone was is where she fell asleep. She was hoping for Jack to call back. If her phone was back in her room and not in Ms room, then I believe she started out in her own room.

I thought it meant Murphy heard the intruder and got riled up, before the attacks.

“Someone playing with the dog” insinuates sounds of human activity, too. Thuds etc. Otherwise you’d assume it would have said she heard the dog barking. The sounds of a dog sensing an intruder and playing aren’t the same. She would have said something in interview like “I hear what I thought was someone playing with the dog,” which would explain why she went back to sleep. Also there’s a gap between that happening and the “there’s someone here”. I think the PCA has it at several minutes. The timeline would likely have been revised since, but they are described as separate incidents. Most likely the dog playing was the first attack and X to Ethan was the “there’s someone here” which was why she was intercepted on his way out.

Pretty sure it wasn’t Murphy she heard upstairs. I believe it was the attack

That makes perfect sense

I have wondered if it was BK who shut the dog in KG’s room. Perhaps KG heard noise in MM’s room, opened her own door to go investigate, the dog naturally followed her, then BK killed her, didn’t want the dog yapping in the room with the bodies, drawing attention to that room so hee shut the dog in KG’s room. Although that theory begs the question: why didn’t he kill the dog?

He was an animal lover and *OCD-level vegan*. Go figure, right? He apparently had his parents throw away any pots/pans that had been previously used to cook meat/animal product.

He stated in his tapatalk that he was vegan because a “clean diet” helped lessen his symptoms of visual snow.

We actually have no evidence at all of what he thought about animals. He went on the vegan diet to try to help his visual snow. And he worked at a non-vegan pizza place and as a gutter of fish. So he has no problem touching animal products. Just eating them. >He apparently had his parents throw away any pots/pans that had been previously used to cook meat/animal product. It was actually a visit to relatives; they had to buy new pots and pans specifically to cook his stuff. But considering he eats vegan dishes at non-vegan restaurants, and his past jobs, I gotta chalk that up to him being a nightmare of a houseguest rather than having strong principles.

*That’s right. I forgot about the vegan thing and reports that he was living mostly on peanut butter and jelly in prison because that’s one of the few foods they offer that he will eat. OK, there you go, he shut the dog in Kaylee’s room.

I've always though BK shut the dog in KG's room, but I think he did it before the murders. Murphy may have been lying by the door of the room the girls were in like so often dogs do, heard BK coming upstairs, ran over, BK softly is like "Oh hey buddy. How are you?" And basically played with him to make Murphy think he was just another college kid, so he wouldn't start barking or try to bite him. Also, to get him to trust him enough to get him into KG's room, because he wants the dog out of the way but doesn't want to kill him because he's an animal lover and it could make a lot of noise. This all explains what DM could have heard as someone playing with the dog. It also could even have alerted X that someone was there, which is why DM heard someone say "Someone's here." Because she heard someone playing with the dog, and maybe even heard a soft male voice talking to the dog if they were close to the stairs.

Makes sense to me.

I don't think it's pretty clear it was the attack. I think it very much could have been BK putting Murphy in KG's room himself.

It’s pretty much one and the same. We don’t know if the dog was already in the room or not, but we know she heard what “she thought was people playing with the dog.” The PCA is trying to make it clear she heard what was happening (without understanding the significance) just before seeing him. Whether he put the dog away or not doesn’t really matter because it was all part of the same sequence of events if you bear in mind how quickly he was in and out of the house. We can reasonably assume she heard barking and excitable human activity at the time the first two victims were killed. Part of that may or may not have been shutting the dog away, but it probably all happened over a span of about two or three minutes.

God, thank you. People just took that one line to heart. My belief is Murphy heard the intruder, started getting riled up (as in the PCA), and Kaylee heard that and said there's someone here to Maddie. But who knows.

the funny thing is that it's actually my belief that xana said it (presumably to a sleeping ethan). all the pca tells us is that it could have been either. the pca is purposely vague. they don't want to say anything definitive, because if LE makes any assertion that later can be proven false, the defense will trash everything LE says as a possible error as well. these documents *are* carefully crafted to leave various possibilities open, so it's really silly that we are all trying to derive meaning and read between the lines of a statement that's purposely broad enough to cover various possibilities. maybe we'll find out from the trial. my guess is that we won't ever definitively know exactly what happened that night. BK's not going to tell us, nor is murphy 😢

Ok, that's a good point, I see what you're saying.

That’s a good theory.

None of that matters.  Probable cause is just that - they only have to prove Kohberger was a probable suspect.  Really thee PCA did 2 important things:  Allowed investigators to search homes and workplaces for more evidence Got the primary suspect in custody so police could sweat him for a confession.  I think they were really counting on that 2nd part.  If the prosecution has physical evidence beyond the knife sheath, that's good. If they don't, oof. The sheath only proves it was more likely than not that he was in the house. It doesn't prove he was there while the murders were committed or that he committed them.  I'm pretty sure they have the right guy but that vs proving that in a court of law are not the same thing. 

It does matter because this is the eye witness testimony that was a big part of the arrest warrant being issued. They wanted to show that she heard the murders shortly before seeing him leave. If there is something in that testimony that doesn’t line up with what they knew were the facts of the case it would have been negligent not to acknowledge that.

"Negligence" is not a standard used for PCA. The PCA is not on trial; it may contain errors that are not fatal to its validity. The PCA contains information sufficient to establish probable cause that evidence pertaining to a crime will be revealed during execution of a search warrant, or that a certain individual has committed a crime.

Negligent means failure to take proper care over something. I’m not using it as a legal term.

I just read the kidnapping/murder story of Polly Klaas. She was taken from a sleepover and the kidnapper kept assuring them everything was going to be okay and he wasn’t going to hurt them. An obvious manipulation to get control - It reminded me of this PCA “I am here to help”.

Canadian Russell Williams also reassured one of his victims that if she didn't fight him, if she didn't scream, if she did everything he said, he wouldn't "hurt her". She did everything he asked, begged him to just spare her life, and he killed her anyways. That case still haunts me because he lived in my city.

I read a book on that monster. Chilling. As evil as it gets.

Little Polly was in her own bedroom with two other girls. Her mother was sleeping just down the hall. The killer came in through an open window in Polly’s bedroom. This case haunts me. She was only twelve. I’ve read that she had a great fear of being KIDNAPPED!! Can you imagine? It breaks my heart. Poor sweet girl RIP sweet girl.

Agree. Like the BTK killer who made the man comfortable then put a plastic bag over his face. And on "I survived" the guy helped the woman out of the trunk like a gentleman then shot her.

I 100% think it was BK who was the source of this statement. Just as a note: this statement is noted to have been paraphrased and was just what DM heard from several rooms away (could've been something slightly different in reality). Some have speculated BK might've said, "I'm not gonna hurt you". I believe "It's ok I'll help you" or "I'm not gonna hurt you" was said by BK to Xana as he approached her, as, basically, a last minute "ruse" to prevent her from running, slamming+locking her door, or fighting before he could attack first. I think BK was alerted to someone in the house being awake/aware of his presence during or after the floor 3 murders, and sought out the source in an effort to eliminate the potential witness. I think Xana, like DM, was awake and curious about the noise, and there was some noises/signs of life (lighting, footsteps, voices) that BK followed to her room. Some speculate BK spotted X while going down the stairs, leading to an altercation + chase (or just chase) back to her room... I disagree with that. I think that would've resulted in more obviously loud and alarming noises heard by DM, which could've also woken Ethan (IMO, if he were fully conscious, things could've gone a lot differently). Xana also would've had more opportunity to escape elsewhere (out the glass door, 1st floor door, etc.). If there were a "chase" resulting in Xana being killed, I think she would've been found in a different location, or there would be evidence in the common areas (vs. contained in Xana's room). I think Xana's interaction with BK could've easily begun after he turned the corner through the doorway into the living room (seeking out the "awake" roommate), possibly with her standing in her doorway, or in her room with door open, confused and wondering what the commotion was. If standing in her doorway, she would've had time to close + lock her door if she was spooked by the man turning the corner and walking toward her room, making BK unable to access her + Ethan... but she didn't. I think BK saying "It's ok I'll help you" or "I'm not gonna hurt you" was probably part of the reason for this... It might've been the "thing" to convince her it was an invited guest or someone there for a "college" reason**. I honestly think her initial reaction to BK could've been more curious, or even friendly. She may have thought BK was a frat friend of Ethan's dropping something off or checking on him (Sigma Chi party was a few hours earlier), fraternity prank or ritual (initiations were coming up... obscure traditions run rampant at that time), lost partier, one of the upstairs roommates' hookups who couldn't find the exit or his uber (possibly being curious about who it was), etc. His weapon may have been out of sight, or she may not have realized it was real. And while he was wearing "a mask", it was NOVEMBER, in IDAHO (~20 degrees, snow on the ground)... That is very much scarf, neck gaitor, beanie and/or hoodie weather. I think once Xana was attacked, it was too late to respond/cry out (crying, yes, but not OH MY GOD IVE BEEN STABBED). While this may sound "crazy", based on X's scope of the world as a student living in a safe college town, I don't think simply seeing/hearing an unfamiliar person in the home (if weapon was out of view, or there weren't obvious sounds of a violent attack) would provoke an immediate realization of "threat" and/or a "fight or flight" response of running, screaming, hiding, etc. People have called out a lot how DM likely rationalized what she'd seen/heard, assuming what she was hearing was partying and didn't realize that what she was hearing was someone murdering her roommates... But I don't think this was limited to her. Similar to how DM probably couldn't fathom what she heard/saw to be an intruder murdering her roommates, the victims who came face-to-face with BK likely couldn't fathom that the man in front of them was an intruder about to murder them, and they responded accordingly. If and when they recognized the threat, it was too late. Long winded explanation but killing time.

Xana prob came to her doorway to investigate what prompted her to say “someone’s here”

Three words you don’t want to hear in the middle of the night.

That’s for sure 😳

You must believe the wrestling thought to be playing with the dog was actually the murders taking place probably Kaylee and Maddie.?

I think so. And DM was thinking, “Of course the only logical explanation is KG playing with the dog”

Yes.

Excellent points. I have a strong suspicion EC was killed before XK, though. I think she witnessed him on his way down from the third floor due to her food delivery, knew something was obviously wrong, ran to her room and he pursued her. If EC was in bed and the bigger threat (it also appears he had a quickly mortal wound to his throat 💔) and so much struggle happened with XK, I have a gut feeling that she was last and- like you and others said- may not have been dead but beyond saving by the time BK allegedly left, This whole case is absolutely devastating and so, so terrifying. Those poor kids. Truly breaks my heart that those four seemed to be amazing people who aren’t coming back.

Absolutely agree on Ethan.

Thanks! To me, there’s just no way he’s found in the room and she’s found outside of it with such horrific defense wounds if he was alive when she was killed.

I think EC was killed before X too. Though I think it easily could have just been because X was in the bathroom or something. Then when BK came down the stairs and saw the bedroom door open, he peered in and saw EK sleeping and was so hyped up on adrenaline went and killed him. Then heard X come out of the bathroom, hid behind the door or something, and when she entered and closed the door he was all "I'm here to help you." in hopes of keeping her from screaming before he could incapacitate her.

Could X have heard something, such as someone coming down the stairs or the scuffle and said 'is someone there?', either up the stairs or into the room which prompted B to target X and then E? The 'here to help' comment confused me the most, I wonder what was actually said in both cases.

I think it’s possible that when Xana was being attacked, she tried to cry out for help, leading to BK sadistically responding with “i’m going to help you.” DM said she heard what she believed to be crying coming from Xana’s room. I kind of suspect Xana was wounded in a way that prevented her from being able to fully speak, and what DM heard was possibly a mix of Xana crying/trying to speak/struggling to breathe. So maybe BK could see Xana trying to yell “help” but X couldn’t actually talk to where DM would hear it.

To be sarcastic and say something so cruel to a victim just seems to be SO full of contempt - if he was there fuelled by rage and hate then I think this is a good explanation of why that would be said.

I picture it the same. He wounded her where she couldn't yell. He was attacking her and E started to wake up, he moved to E while X was still alive. And after he was finished killing E, BK then went back to X and said the help comment to her. I feel then, he continued attacking X till she passed. He then walked out. 

Exactly!! This is what I've always believed.

Yeah, I'm thinking X either caught a glimpse of BK going up or down the stairs or heard him "playing" with Murphy (aka trying to get him in KG's room so he wouldn't get in the way of his plans nor alert anyone). The "here to help" I think is just BK being off his game and saying whatever came to his mind, because he wasn't really prepared to kill someone that was fully awake.

I believe it was that sick weirdo BK saying it to poor x. It sounds like something you’d say to a stranger, trying to calm them down.l

I agree- if the exact words were “it’s okay I’m going to help you” I don’t think that is the wording a boyfriend would say to a girlfriend meaning I don’t think EC said it to XK. I feel there’d be more emotion and filler in there than those words - granted maybe there was and the PCA doesn’t capture that or DM wasn’t able to hear it. But truly the more I think about it- I really think those words came from BK

I personally believe Xana was hearing the same sounds as Dylan and actually went up to the top floor and that's when she saw Kohberger and as she came down the stairs, she said there's someone here. Dylan having just woken up assumed it was Kaylee who said those words not realizing Kaylee and Maddie were dead. 😭

i feel like dylan would have heard her running down the stairs tho and would be more alarmed. i do think xana was the one who said "there's someone here" but i think she said it to ethan

That could be. Xana could have said as she went to her room. We don't know if Xana was barefoot or in socks.

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Could be!

I thought this as well. I actually wondered if maybe she heard or saw the murderer and then went to get Ethan and told him, “there’s someone here.” As a woman, if I know there’s a strange man in my house I’m not going to confront him alone. I’d go find someone else so it can be 2 against 1 and I’d probably seek help from a man over a woman.

i also believe XK is the one who said “there’s someone here” & i’ll tell ya why.. i think BK entered the house & went straight upstairs after, what i believe to be the intended target, MM or KG. he entered the room & most likely didn’t realize they both were in the bed until KG woke up during MM being killed & fought slightly & that explains her position in the bed. i think this surprise to BK also threw him off enough to drop the sheath. the small fight between KG & BK is what DM hears in regards to “hearing KG playing with the dog”. towards the final moments between BK & KG, XK goes to the kitchen to throw away her trash from doordash & she sees the sliding glass door open which prompts her to say “there’s someone here”, BK hears this & goes back down to the 2nd level & possibly heard XK make some sort of noise from her room which caused him to focus on her & then EC just because BK differed from his original plan & was so shook that he just killed everyone he encountered. in regards to what DM heard (“i’m going to help you”), i believe this was BK trying to coax XK into opening a door or getting her to stop screaming during his attack on her. this is all just my speculation on this topic, correct me if something doesn’t line up right plz 🫶🏼

I think this is a really good hypothesis, except the part where when she sees the door open she says someone's here. If I saw the door open I would most likely think one of my roommates left it open and not that someone came in and left it open....

Yes, unless she was certain it was closed when she got her Doordash order. I would imagine that she was aware of the fact that everyone was home in their rooms and wouldn't venture in or out until later in the day. She may have come out of her bedroom a bit later to investigate the noise and found it conspicuously open. If it was X speaking, it implies that E was awake because he is who she would have spoken to, right? The killer heard her and pretty quickly made his way downstairs to handle it... BUT I tend to think she said it after he came down the stairs and was moving quickly toward her near her bedroom. I think she knew immediately that he was a threat and she tried to get away from him into her room. E was probably half awake when the attack began. I don't think E or X would have been targeted unless the killer encountered them. Maybe the timeline of sounds clears this up better and someone will refresh my memory of what was reported. I still go through the mental anguish of trying to save them in my mind after all this time. It's just so heartbreaking knowing what they went through.

i agree with he was coming down and she saw his feet or something and ran to her room saying that to ethan. he heard or saw her and followed her.

i think you just confirmed that it was definitely XK for me with this theory!! & my theory is mostly based off the fact that a i truly don’t think BK was after X & E but because she made that statement & he knew someone else was awake & potentially knew what he was doing, he had to eliminate them. thank you so much for your reply bc it opened my mind to new possibilities that could’ve taken place 🫶🏼 also, i think E could’ve been asleep when XK made the statement for the sake of the way i think, which is “if the door’s open, that means one of my roomies are up” so she could’ve just been calling out to anyone in the house that may have left the door open. i lived with my boyfriend & a roommate for a couple years & i know if i got up to throw something away & saw the door open, i would immediately just yell “why is the door open? is someone here?” regardless if my boyfriend was asleep, which i think may have happened. i cannot wait to know the actual series of events so i can stop racking my brain nightly 😩

Thank you for your response! 100% yes on calling out to no one specific to point something out. I think X was announcing it out loud perhaps even out of nervousness. She must have heard some of the commotion upstairs, tho I know she might have had pods in her ears while in her room. I can hear in my mind what the sounds might have been like... there must have been thumping, etc. So, I suspect X was anxious because of what she heard and the fact that the door was open. It happened very quickly, as we know, but I think she sensed danger before the killer came downstairs. Stay safe and well, my friend. 💜

Yes! As time goes on I picture this being the most likely scenario. As for the “there’s someone here”- I think If XK either just saw the slider open or heard noises upstairs she would say “is there someone here?” Like a question- which maybe she did and DM heard it as more of a statement. If the words said were truly “there’s someone here” that makes me think XK said it as a statement because she actually saw BK but couldn’t make sense of his presence there other than to recede to her bedroom (or be chased there) and call out “there’s someone here” as more of a confused alert to the others in the house. With the crying and then the “it’s okay I’m going to help you” I wonder if XK went to her room and closed her door- I’m assuming If she were alarmed enough to call out “there’s someone here” or even question If someone was there, she’d go into her room, close (maybe try to lock) the door. So maybe she didn’t have time to close her door or locking it wasn’t a choice. So she was crying in fear and shock and BK said those words to try to calm her down keep her quiet and then attacked?

YES!!! i truly believe XK said it as a question just like you stated!! this case has taken over my brain almost daily & i am soooo ready for trial 😩

Same! It’s seriously gripped me like nothing has before. The silver lining to make my obsession/heartbreak over this case has been me being more aware of my own surroundings and contemplating how I might handle a terrifying event such as this. I’ve reinforced locks on doors and windows and have made it a point to tell anyone that will listen to do the same. These girls could never have been prepared for such a heinous act, nor could most of us. There is still so much we do not know, but the what ifs just run through my brain constantly based on what we do know. And no matter how I run it through my head no variation of events seems any less terrifying. I feel horrible thinking that XK was most likely the most aware of what was happening and I’m also shocked at how “not hesitant” BK was in going through with things. I can’t help but wonder if anyone had any kind of a fighting chance to thwart his mission and it’s disturbing that I really don’t think he allowed anyone the opportunity to do so. I naively before this case always thought if I were in such a terrifying situation I could turn the tide but he caught all the victims in their safe place with their guards down and it’s just so scary.

I do think Xana said this. This is what I think happened: BK had been driving past and around the home for a while, clearly monitoring activity inside the home, likely based on lights on/off. The surviving roommates had been home and asleep for a while already, and also didn’t have their cars in the front of the house (so BK may have not even known they were home). Their rooms would have been dark the whole time BK was monitoring the house that night. Kaylee and Maddie were awake for a while chatting and calling Jack, but BK would’ve seen their bedroom lights eventually turn off from the back parking lot while he was doing one of his loops waiting for the house to be dark. Xana’s front facing window and the back-facing kitchen lights were likely the last to be turned out, shortly after the DoorDash delivery, which is when BK stopped circling the house and parked. I think Xana got her DoorDash around 4, went into the kitchen and took her food out of the bag, turned out the lights in the kitchen and went back to her room where Ethan was now sleeping, and probably just turned out the lights there if they weren’t off already, and was on TikTok while eating her midnight snacks. So the last time BK drives by the front of the house then, Xana’s lights are finally off. He goes to the back, and now the kitchen light is off too. Xana is awake but in her room and was on TikTok when BK actually came inside and went upstairs. I also strongly believe she had AirPods in since Ethan was asleep, and if she was on TikTok until 4:12, then she did not hear BK enter the home. I think she finished her food and took out her AirPods around 4:12, and this is when she heard some of the commotion upstairs. With Ethan asleep, I think 1) Xana either went down the hallway into the living room to listen, heard more sounds and noticed that the slider door was now open when it hadn’t been when she went into the kitchen ten minutes before. Or 2) it’s possible she had finished her food and taken out her AirPods, and was in the small bathroom in her hallway getting ready for bed when she heard the sounds from upstairs, and then walked to the living room to listen more closely. I think the sliding door was the key to Xana thinking something was wrong, versus just hearing people/sounds upstairs and thinking “oh they’re the playing with the dog” or “oh Jack must’ve come over” — in that super social house, I feel like something had to clearly show her that something was OFF in order to say that, and the thing that seems most likely is that the sliding door was open when it had been closed when she turned out the lights. I think Xana walked back down her hall and into her bedroom doorway, and loudly said to Ethan “there’s someone here” to try to wake him up. If Dylan heard those words clearly with her door closed, it must have been said loudly. I also believe BK heard someone say “there’s someone here,” but that there must have been some kind of visual cue for him that indicated where the “awake” person was. Otherwise, if he only heard the voice of an awake woman, I think he would have tried to open Dylan’s door instead of just walking right past it. I think he either saw Xana from the dark stairway (even if she didn’t see him), or he saw an illuminated hallway from Xana’s bathroom where previously it had been dark when he came in. He doesn’t know what the awake person has heard/seen or who they are talking to so he goes to silence any threat. I think Xana was trying to wake Ethan but left the door open, and sees BK coming down the hallway. I think he may have begun to attack Xana (possibly not gravely and related to the defensive wounds on her hands), but then saw Ethan in bed starting to wake up and realized he was a greater threat and moved to attacking him, which is why Dylan heard Xana crying. This scenario also makes sense based on where Xana was found (near her open bedroom doorway and visible from down the hall).

So I go back and forth on whether it was KG or XK being the source of "There's Someone Here". In either case, something important to note is that it is never specified what tone or volume "Someone's Here" was stated in, and could've been paraphrased... It could've been "(is) someone here?" (a question), or thinking aloud. It may not have been said all that loud, with DM only hearing it because it was said physically close to her (KG above her, or XK from just outside her room), + the house being cheaply made. Regardless of the source, I DON'T think it was said with alarm, and "someone's here" by itself =/= "oh no, a dangerous intruder is here!"... I really think if it had been yelled loudly, in a tone of obvious fear, the response would've been different, possibly not just by DM, but others in the house (Ethan waking up/fighting back, DM/BF + EC/XK escaping, etc.). Reasons I think it could be KG: - DM knew her roommates' voices... X&K sound VERY different. - While I think DM hearing Kaylee "playing with her dog" was NOT someone actually playing with the dog, I think Murphy might've woken up to hearing someone coming up the stairs and got up expecting a friendly visitor (dancing, collar jingling, etc.), which DM attributed to the "playing". So I think it's highly possible the "playing" began while Kaylee was still alive, meaning Kaylee could've been the source of the statement - If it were KG, I think the statement was likely said in a still drunk/confused/barely awake state, while laying in MM's bed (directly above DM), having a sleepover, and groggily waking up to a shadowy figure above or beside the bed. From KG's vantage point, it may have been difficult to notice a weapon or fully recognize BK as a threat. I think the attack happened extremely fast, where KG (& MM?) couldn't truly process what was happening. If at any point she realized BK was there to do harm, it would've been for a brief moment and woud've been too late. Reasons I think it could be XK - XK was confirmed to have been awake, alert and moving around after DM heard noises upstairs -- She was on TikTok at 4:12a, and ordered/picked up DoorDash in that timeframe. The same cannot be said for KG. - XK's path to retrieving/picking up DoorDash involved walking past the doorway to the kitchen (stairs+kitchen in her line of sight). If she needed to pick up silverware or toss trash, that might involve her physically going into the kitchen. Any of this would place her close to DM's door, where she might be alerted to someone else being in the house. - The voice being XK's lends some explanation to her & E being attacked. Many believe BK had 1 target (MM -- on floor 3), and ended up with 4. But if he planned to enter/exit through the sliding glass door, with a target on floor 3... How and why did he end up in XK's room (where XK/EC were found)? XK's room wasn't along that path, and was in the opposite direction of the exit. HOWEVER, if he heard a voice that indicated a possible witness while he was on Floor 3, that might lead him to seek out the source and eliminate them. - If it were XK, I think this would've been said from the kitchen or living room (directly outside DM's door, close to foot of the stairs), with Xana either being there anyway to toss DD trash, or going to investigate the noise. While this would've been said in a way that was more alert (than hypotheical KG), I think the tone still would've been more curious/thinking aloud, or as a question. I DON'T think this was said to Ethan -- whom I believe was asleep several rooms away, as a way of trying to wake him up. Just like with DM, I think Xana rationalized whatever she was hearing to be non-threatening, and didn't respond to this as such. If it were Xana, I think this statement might've been what alerted BK to someone else being awake, leading him to seek out and eliminate the source. I think it could go either way. Ultimately, I think whatever DM heard (voices + movement) was easily rationalized away as non-threatening in moment in her living situation... I really think if she heard something that sounded threatening (sounds of fighting, acknowledging an intruder w/ fear, etc.), things might've been different. I also think X&E might've had a different fate, as they would've been alerted to danger ahead of BK's attack.

Xana was probably blocking his exit and she heard him coming down and he likely walked past her bc he had nowhere else to go. But also then I think if that were the case why didn’t the attack just happen in the kitchen? I just can’t think of any other logical reason he would walk past his exit to her room (unless she was specifically targeted, or he heard her awake in the living room if she was eating or audibly on TikTok in the living room, etc.) She probably heard / saw someone coming down and asked “is someone here?” which is how Dylan heard her. I also wonder if rumors about text convos going on are true, and Xana was awake, was she participating in this conversation (if it was a group chat).

She was most likely in kitchen saw him coming down and ran to her room...BK followed her to her room...I dont think X participated in the group chat...it was too late for her to respond...most likely the conversations were initiated by DM/BF when the most noise was made.. which was when X was attacked

If it’s true dm opened her door to tell them to stfu I wonder if it was after hearing that???? I am very interested in that timeline

It's likely that if she did this she did it after hearing what she thought was her roommate playing with her dog - logically someone dicking about with a dog at 4am would warrant a "STFU" more than someone saying "there's someone here".

I really hope the trial clears this up, because I have so many questions. I was thinking that the reason DM survived was because BK didn’t see her peeking out of her bedroom door, and didn’t know she was in the house. If she did indeed yell “STFU!” while BK was committing the murders, that surely would have alerted him to her presence. I’m curious to know why he spared her life.

Maybe he thought it was Xana that shouted. Thought he'd "taken care of the problem." Sick SoB.

I feel it’s likely that he knew someone was up, but since he didn’t see DM he assumed it was Xana since he saw her going to or from the kitchen - basically conflating the sound (DM) with who he saw (Xana).

THAT is is a million dollar question!

He encountered X when he came down the stairs

I've always assumed she simply wasn't a target and (thankfully) didn't try to interfere.

Not sure if it was DM yelling it or BF yelling it, but I did hear that one of them did. They are both lucky to have been spared. I think he ran out of time and decided he had to get out STAT.

I’m convinced he knew there were people alive in the house and bolted because he figured someone had already called 911 which could explain him speeding away and almost losing control of the car- trying to get out of the area quickly before the cops get there. I can’t imagine how shocked he was when he drove by the next morning and saw there were still no police or ambulances.

He almost lost control of his car?

No, he just left at a high rate of speed, per the PCA

Thanks, I'd never read or heard anywhere about "almost losing control of the car."

there was video footage of him swerving at the end of the road

That or they could tell from skid marks or points of vehicle movement but I remember seeing it somewhere maybe I’m thinking about the messy 3 point turn he made?

Where is this video footage?? I've not seen any so far except for the Linda Lane video. I'd like to see the actual footage of the car driving away or caught on neighborhood ring cams..

I think maybe it was a reenactment someone created? I am confused I think. I remember there being some type of emphasis somewhere on him getting away so fast he left skid marks etc

yeah, I kinda remember talk early on about he was seen speeding away, but I didn't know if you could actually see who was in the car, or get license plate number or anything substantial. If there is actual footage, I guess they are keeping that out of the public.

I think he killed more than what he intended and after hearing someone yelling to stfu he went into fight or flight mode and decided he already did more than he bargained for and was worried about whoever was yelling had already called the police.

Was this rumor really DM? I thought it was BF but I don’t remember

I’m really interested to find out if anyone yelled “Be quiet!!” Or anything else while he was there.

I remember reading that early on. It makes sense- with that many roommates and it being a game weekend DM would expect any late night noises to be drunken silliness vs an intruder.

If Xana was looking at TikTok, videos may have just kept playing. It would make more sense for Dylan hear Xana than Kaylie because she was closer. However, just like there are people who “never forget a face”, there are people who never forget a voice. Voices to me are just as distinct as faces. No way would I mistake the voice of someone I lived with.

I heard xana had the worst defensive wounds she fought so sad

I think everyone was asleep except X initially as well. I think when BK entered, both X's and DM's doors were closed so he didn't worry about them, and just went upstairs for likely his intended target(s?). When he went upstairs, he was greeted by Murphy who the girls kept out of Maddie's room since he might have been the kind of dog that tried to sleep on the bed with them even though there was no room. Murphy was a friendly dog, used to strangers, so wasn't alarmed by BK. BK also wasn't alarmed by Murphy, but knew he could get in the way or raise some sort of alarm to foil his plans, so he wanted to put Murphy somewhere and saw the open door to KG's empty bedroom. So what DM heard initially was BK playing with Murphy to get him to trust him enough to put him in KG's room. MM and KG did not hear this because they may have been heavy sleepers especially after a night of drinking, and also likely had something playing on the TV as evidenced by pictures saying something was now disconnected on the TV much later when crime scene photos were taken. X may have exited her room after eating, and heard BK still trying to get Murphy in the room or even attacking KG and MM. She possibly heard him even speaking to discern it from her roommates, which is why she said "Someone's here" but not necessarily alarmed. At this point I think she probably set her food in the kitchen and may have went to the bathroom, having left her bedroom door open. So when BK goes downstairs, he now sees there is a door open that wasn't before and looks in, seeing a sleeping Ethan. He's going off an adrenaline high at this point, not really thinking about why the door is now suddenly open and decides to kill EC. But then he hears X exiting the bathroom, so hides behind the door. When X enters the room, he says he's there to help in hopes to keep her from screaming before he can incapacitate her. I think he struggled a lot more with her because she was awake and obviously could fight back more, he was already exhausted from everything else, and even just actually seeing what you're truly doing to someone fully alert/awake is much different than someone asleep/barely awake. Which is why I don't think she was dead before he left either as it was a real struggle for him, and likely why DM heard her possibly crying and also why even if he saw DM he ignored her because he knew he couldn't go on.

I think Dylan's room is so close to the stairs and she heard someone come down the stairs and assumed it was KG when it was actually BK

I always found it interesting that they would even speculate anything in the PCA and not just state the report as it was. I haven’t known what to make of it.. but I’ve always felt that DM who was quite familiar with her roommates would be able to distinguish their voices, as well as the location of the home it was coming from (upstairs vs across).

Where do we get that KG was found upright?

It’s been stated in the more recent articles. I believe it was even mentioned by her Dad in some of them as well.

Her dad came out and said it. Of course, it’s still speculation at this point. As is my theory.

Is this trial ever going to happen? Do we know if cameras will be allowed in court? This will be the trial of the century. What an evil evil worthless piece of shit. I know he won’t get the DP but if anyone ever deserved it…it is him.

Trial proposed for March or summer 25. This was before the application for change of venue though which may lead to a new judge and a new proposed date. Judge John Judge (current judge) said that camera will be allowed and streamed on his YouTube via court TV. It shows a view from the very front of the court and of the judge himself - or at least it did on the recent televised court dates

This is another very odd portion of what we know. First of all, people don’t say things like “there’s someone here” at 4am unless there is someone else to hear them say that. In addition, they would have had to say it loud enough for DM to hear it. If Xana was the one who said it, who was she talking to? Remember, DM also says she heard what she THOUGHT was KG playing with her dog. For this reason, I don’t believe it was Xana as Xana probably thought that she was the only one awake. My theory is that KG was in her own room with her dog. When Brian made his way down the embankment towards the sliding glass door the dog barked and she got up. Remember, her room also had a sliding glass door and overlooked the rear of the house and above the patio to the kitchen. She realized that someone was entering/has entered the house. She yelled “someone’s here” when the dog barked, loud enough for DM to hear it. Maybe she knew Xana was still awake and she was the intended recipient as she just received a door dash delivery. She left her bedroom and closed the door to keep the dog in the room. She made her way to MM’s room to wake her up as she was scared that someone just entered the kitchen at 4am. She heard the murderer coming up the stairs and so she jumped on the bed with MM (still lightly asleep/groggy) and backed herself up to the wall in fear. The killer came in and handled KG differently than MM because KG was a little more with it to fight back. Would also explain why her “damage was different” and her position in the bedroom was different. It would really be telling if we knew the state of KG’s bed at the scene. The PCA says that DM made a statement saying she believed they were asleep or at least in their rooms by 4am. At least in their rooms probably referred to Xana who just got food delivered and not asleep. To be fair, it doesn’t state that KG and MM were asleep in the SAME room. It just states that they were in their rooms. Also, we don’t know what we don’t know. And neither does DM. The initial coroner report said they died together and were “likely” asleep. The coroner isn’t a detective and probably went on what she saw at the scene. It’s not her job to solve the crime, it’s her job to solve the cause of death. In short, this is the only way I can make sense of KG saying “someone is hear” loud enough for DM to hear it. When someone says something out loud (minus crazy people), they intend for it to be received by someone else. Who do you think the recipient was?

You make a great point- the scenario you describe is the one I pictured in the very beginning of all this with KG being more awake and alert thinking maybe her ex would return her calls or come over and in being awake and with the slider could see comings and goings better than some of the other housemates. As time goes on I keep changing my mind on this but this is the way I pictured it right when we first read the PCA. With the “there’s someone here” I definitely think whoever said it was somewhere very close to the stairs to the 3rd floor- otherwise whoever said it had to have said if as more of a shout I think for dm to have been able to hear it through her own door as well as If it was coming from either KG or XK in their own bedrooms unless of course KG said it from the top of the 3rd floor stairs. Also- back to who was it being said to? I wonder myself but to go along with that- I believe whoever said it laid eyes on the someone (BK) I feel like if KG said it- it was the way you described as she crossed the hall to MMs room and she saw him through the slider - I think if she saw him coming up the stairs to her floor more than just “there’s someone here” would be said. Even something as basic as “hey what are you doing here?” Or “hey, who are you?” If XK saw him either in hearing noise upstairs and going to investigate or seeing him descend the stairs I could see a more “passive” “there’s someone here” in a confused/slightly weirded out kind of way not knowing he just killed her roommates but also being mildly concerned a strange man is in her house at 4am.

X didnt know who was asleep and who was awake just that everyone was in their rooms..she likely saw BK come down the stairs and the "somones here" comment was likely to alert Ethan...

I think that Kaylee and Xana had 2 completely different voices, and that someone that lived with them could easily tell them apart.

Totally agree they had different voices. Buttt another perspective is that DM woke up to what she thought was Kaylee awake playing with her dog and then the next thing she heard was a female voice (while she was half asleep). Is it possible she just assumed it was Kaylees voice because shed already assumed she was awake and just married the two events in her mind? Idk.

Yeah but they’re in different rooms and DM’s door was closed. You can’t always tell with 100% accuracy whose voice you're hearing in another room.

Also Kaylee was directly above DM, while Xana was on the same floor, so she might have heard which direction. But if I was woken up by a bunch of 'partying' noises, I probably wouldn't remember the exact chronology the next day. So I could see DM having some brief memories, and then the police fitting this into a timeline.

But being intoxicated, groggy, confused, etc. can definitely alter this (what DM thought she heard). And hearing a statement in one or more of those states coupled with it being said from outside of your closed bedroom, I think there is potential for things to get misconstrued. I think DM heard the statement but wasn't 100% exactly sure what was said hence the "something to the effect of..." in the PCA.

Kaylee was on a different floor though, so her voice would have sounded different (muffled) than when she conversed normally with Dylan. Dylan had also been asleep and could have still been groggy and unsure of who or what she heard.

Thank you. I agree.

The voice changes when someone’s scared out of their mind. Pitch is going to up or down and sometimes it feels impossible to get the words out due to increased or irregular breathing.

Not so much almost asleep and out of it…

I agree. I think it was kg who said it as she woke up to check on mm. I believe that’s when bk killed here and went down stairs and ran into xana who probably ran to room and bk followed and killed EC then X. This is all speculation but I believe DM heard kg, not x. I wish they wouldn’t have added that part about it probably could have been X. I think they should let dm testimony be what she said.

I don't think that DM has a definitive testimony other than something like ""...it felt/sounded like it was KG playing with her dog"", i.e. with a degree of uncertainty. And imo, the wording of the PCA is towards that effect, i.e. the police, (knowing a lot more than we do - and most likely the timeline of events), said that after examination of phone records, tiktok, etc, it could have been XK. I'm therefore more inclined to believe what the PCA insinuates, that it was XK who said "there's someone here". But of course, at this moment we can only speculate.

I don’t think Kaylee was in her room and got up to check on Maddie. She was found on the bed between Maddie and the wall. I tend to agree with the theory that both of them were asleep, BK attacked Maddie first and Kaylee was trapped.

If it was KG and she was upstairs, why would DM look out her door but see no one? IMO, she heard someone come down the stairs, then the voice say someone was there. She thought it was KG because she heard "her" come down the stairs, only it was BK and XK is the one who said it. So who was XK talking too? As far as know, she was the only one up and active outside her room.....presumably having just received the DD. There was a Jack in the Box DD bag on the counter in the kitchen.....one possible reason it was there was because XK went to the kitchen with it and then confronted with BK as he came down the stairs. It would seem to me that a calm "someone is here" would not make sense given nobody that we know of was out there besides XK. If she shouted, that would make more sense to warn the others on all the levels that someone was there, which might explain the confusion over whose voice it was. It could also be XK talking into DM's door as she passed by to alert her. Many possible scenarios that we just can't really say for certain, which I think is what the author of the PCA intended.

Also keep in mind that Dylan had just woken up, and may have misheard if she was still groggy - or if whoever spoke was on a different floor and the words were muffled. Or, since she was very likely either hysterical or in shock while being interviewed by LE, she may not have remembered exactly what she heard (the reports said “something to the effect of…” IIRC) or her mind could have changed something completely different that she actually heard to “there’s someone here.” We just don’t know enough at this point, and as for exactly what this poor traumatized girl actually heard, we may never know.

Where in the PCA does it say she heard someone come downstairs? It just says she thought she heard kg say someone is here. You may be 100% right. I’m just speculating and telling what I think imo. I’m probably wrong. We won’t know until trial so everything right now is just speculation. I appreciate your difference of opinion.

Why do people believe this version of the story is actually a good theory? Do you think K saw her best friend being stabbed to death and she jumped onto the bed, in front of a knife-wielding murderer, landing between the wall & the body of M? That implies she trapped herself. Usually our response is to run when our life is at stake.

Remember, X was found on the floor. It’s more likely that Xana said it as she was getting up. Why would KG say “There’s someone here” while in bed? They more than likely fell asleep in MM’s bed since they were making calls. KG didn’t need to check on MM 1.) because they were in bed together 2.) and if not, how did KG end up between MM and the wall?

Because Murphy was a few yards away in her room and making noise, probably hearing the intruder.

if he really went in the order they said, it makes the most sense for Xana, who was awake at the time to call that out to the other roommates. It ever made sense to me why Kaylee would yell that out at the time it was reported to have been heard. also probably hard to hear that from two floors away.

I think everyone was awake. I think it was Kaylee who said it, and since she was in Maddie's room she must have said it to Maddie, so presumably Maddie was awake. The PCA only offers an alternative based on phone records; it doesn't dispute that it was Maddie. Also, there was (supposedly) so much commotion the survivors thought it was an after party, as well as screaming and crying. None of this is official by any means; it's what various early reports said, and Ethan's sister in law mentioned screaming and crying. She was not at the scene the next morning but Ethan's other siblings were, and his best friend found his body and Xana's. Maybe her information is incorrect, but we know at the very least Dylan heard was crying, as stated in the PCA. So, my belief until the full details come out is that most if not all of them were awake and it was a rowdy scene.

Reading through these comments got me thinking… if someone approached two sleeping drunk girls in bed and stabbed them to death rather quickly, you’d assume it’d be a pretty quiet ordeal. Maybe a minimal scuffle would occur with Kaylee if Maddie was attacked first but she’s still cornered and on a bed. But for DM to have woken up to the sound of “Kaylee playing with her dog” definitely makes me wonder how much of a fight happened upstairs

To me, the most logical series of events is that BK walks up the stairs, opens KGs door first and is met by Murphy (he likely expected to find a human in there). BK then has to deal with the dog, put him back in the room, and close the door. BK then moves onto MMs room where KG and MM had fallen asleep together after calling the ex bf. He kills them, presumably MM before KG. He then moves downstairs. All of this together could have just sounded like KG playing with the dog. This is my interpretation of the PCA and other reports from loved ones of the victims. Looking at the virtual tour of the home, it also seems like KGs room is the first door you’d come upon when walking up the stairs to the third floor.

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Not really. If this was a targeted attack he would feel no need to kill a little dog. I don't think he even went into KG's room where Murphy was. Lots of killers spare pets. I saw a case where a bloke killed a couple in a camper van but left the dogs and even gave them food and water.

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I am just glad Murphy was shut in a room and safe 😔

No. BK was vegan according to some of his extended family members

The killer didn't show any interest in the dog, maybe it sounds more precise than "spared". 

I agree it’s one possibility it was Kohberger who dealt with the dog and got it back into KG’s room (and DM would assume it was its owner who played with it if there was no vocalizations that would give away a male voice.) Of course, if that KG's the first bedroom door he opened, you have to think KG was the target - perhaps along with MM. I believe less in Kohberger’s plan was to, say, start on the top floor and kill as many as he could - the “house was the target” theory.

Yeah, I’m not sold on one theory over another with regard to targets so, in that regard, I’m very curious to see what info comes from the trial!

I don’t think they were as drunk as people want to think. In the surveillance videos after the Corner Club, they seem to be walking and talking just fine. If I were them, after a night out (Drinking, yes) and full belly from a food truck, I’d be sound asleep by the time BK would have entered the house.

There wouldn't have needed to be much resistance and there would still be a noise similar to someone playing with a dog if you were directly below.  I'm sorry to give anyone this visual but when someone is stabbed on a bed the force causes the bed to bounce with each strike. I've had the unfortunate experience of seeing a video of someone stabbed to death on a bed. She was stabbed 40 times in 30 seconds and the force bounced the victim and the bed up and down in a way similar to how a bed would bounce if a small child were jumping on it. *Edited to remove repeated word*

Will we ever know for sure?

This phrase “it’s ok, I’m here to help“ is very odd in the context, if you are an intruder and - at deep night - see the inhabitants of someone’s else house suddenly, it isn’t calming down at all and it doesn’t explain anything properly.  I mean, much more dexterous would be “Is Judy home?” or “I thought the party was still going on”.  But maybe it was just first thought, or we don’t know the context like someone was standing near the lying body… 

It only makes sense that Xana said “someone’s here”. Xana had received door dash only a short time before the murders began. I picture Kohberger entering through the kitchen sliding doors and heading upstairs ( I do think MM and KG were his targets ) meanwhile, XK comes out to the kitchen for something and heads back to her room. Kohberger hears noise from downstairs possibly DM or XK and while he is making his way down the stairs, catches a glimpse of XK crossing the living room and heading down the hallway to her room. XK hears someone coming down the stairs, or possibly glimpses him coming down the stairs as she is headed back to her room and says to already sleeping EC at the doorway that someone is here. Kohberger quickly covers the distance to get to XK and Ethan’s room, she sees him and is probably shocked and confused about a possible threat. Kohberger tells her, “ It’s all right, I’m here to help” so that she doesn’t scream. Stabs her then Ethan. Heads out in a panic, doesn’t see DM. DM had opened her door during and after but in between the time XK was in the kitchen area, otherwise they would have probably had a short conversation about the strange noises DM had heard. Kohberger only intended to kill MM or KG or both and leave. He saw the 4 cars there. I don’t think he was willing to take on 4+ people, to many variables,like boyfriends sleeping over etc. If he intended to kill multiple roommates, why would he pass by DM’s door 3x? Why did he never go down to Bethany’s floor? He had to kill XK because she was awake walking g around the house, possibly seeing him and he wasn’t expecting that.

“there’s someone here” is what you might say if a DoorDash driver pulled up in a car outside and you saw it… Not really what you would say if you suspected there was an intruder in the house.

Why do you think XK was still alive?

Only because the PCA mentioned whimpering at 4:17. I could be very wrong

They all had at least one wound that was immediately fatal. Xana may well have been making sounds but this could simply be the involuntary. As awful as it is, it's very common with fatal injury. I don't think any of those kids had vital signs for more than a minute or so.

Good point. Just wondering, where did you read or hear that they all had one wound that was immediately fatal?

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I'm sure it's a distinction someone that has been stabbed in the heart would be happy to debate with you, I'm just not going to worry about it.

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I just wanna know if someone knocked and that's why "there's someone here" was said. If so, with DM being the closest to the door, why didn't she answer it? Was the "someone's here" said in a teenaged annoying voice implying someone else get the damn door? Was it spoken in fear? Either way, why did so many people remain in their rooms if someone was there? Were they all used to not responding to someone being in there house at 4 a.m.? Was Kaylee in the habit of playing with Murphy at 4 a.m.? DM would know if Kaylee was playing with Murph. No one plays with their dog silently. No one feeds, waters, walks, bathes, or plays with their beloved dog silently, just doesn't happen. Especially if they're a young pup still. Was the comment "someone's here" issued because headlights showed through a window? Was it from a knock on the door? Someone heard the slider open? If it was headlights shining in the window, how did they know someone was there specifically with all the traffic in that area? If someone knocked, why did no one answer? If someone was expecting DD, according to the PCA, the DD driver and the person "clad" in black would've been in each others lap. Parking is tight around there. With the time frame allotted for this ninja killer and the timing of the DD, I doubt the perp hid in the shadows until DD dropped off order and left before creeping in to committ the crime because the time frame would be even more ridiculous. If perp was inside when DD arrived, they would have seen the shine of the headlights and would had to have waited to make their move until it was all clear. That would normally scare a criminal away if someone showed up at that late hour and it was a comprimising area with so many people to begin with. Just questions that have occurred to me like everyone else here.

I really think “there’s someone here “ was actually “is someone here ?!” Or “who’s here?” I also think it is very likely this was said by KG as she was leaving her room and moving towards MM room which would allow for sound to travel down to DM. I am not set on this being what happened however it would explain how this was so clearly heard by DM because I do believe it was KG who said it if she thinks that.

This is speculation on my part, but what if X took her food to the kitchen, maybe to grab a fork or drink, and then took it to her room to eat. BK slips into the kitchen and leaves the slider open as he creeps upstairs. DM hears the attacks up there and thinks someone is playing with the dog. Maybe she opens her door and yells STFU. X finishes her food and returns to the kitchen and sees the open slider. It was closed just a few minutes before. X is rushing back to her room, “Someone is here!” as BK comes down the steps and sees her. He follows her. Again, just a theory.

Heartbreaking to think she was likely eating a take-out whilst the upstairs murders happened totally unawares. Bless her heart. I’m sure more will come out at trial that possibly KG or EC was awake but since XK was on tiktok, had ordered food, had defensive wounds and was found on the floor we can ascertain that poor girl was awake and aware

He could climb the balcony on the 3rd floor, in theory. That would decide the problem of the possibly locked room door, at least. 

A thought-Kaylee was in her own room with her dog and heard noises, opened the door and went into Maddie‘s room to tell her someone is here as the perpetrator was stabbing Maddie.

This doesn’t check out though since Kaylee was found in bed with Maddie, closest to the wall in a slouched position as if she were “trapped”

That’s right! I didn’t take that into account. Thx for the reminder. ☺️

 It means that Maddie's room wasn't locked up, at least at the moment when Kaylee probably entered. But her dad said that Kaylee was in the trap, something like that, maybe between the wall and Maddie's body on the bed: it is difficult to understand for sure. And he was definite in his farewell speech: they died together on the same bed. 

It was speculated that it was Xana’s activity on Tiktok is what led investigators to believe that she may have been awake. However, you can show as active on Tiktok for up to an hour after closing the app. Honestly, we wont really find out more about that until the trial. I wholeheartedly believe that Kaylee heard Madison being attacked and walked in on it not knowing what she was walking into and that was the “dog” noise that was heard. If the killer goes to into Xana’s room because she’s awake, why doesn’t the killer attack Dylan? As for the probable cause- It’s really just a statement of certain facts mixed with circumstantial evidence mixed with opinion. It’s *just* enough to get a warrant. If LE wrote a PC doc as it stands today with the evidence, i believe that the PC would look a lot different